August 28, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Brigitte Morton and Rob Campbell joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Secondary school principals are worried at the huge number of kids that are failing literacy and numeracy tests - meaning they won't receive the right NCEA qualifications. Do we need a rethink here?
Disgraced ex-Green MP Darleen Tana has filed an unprecedented injunction trying to prevent their former party convening a Special General Meeting this weekend. How do we see this going?
The Government has announced a new Infrastructure Agency and a 30-year National Infrastructure Plan. Chris Bishop wants support of all parties for the infrastructure plan - is cross-party support on infrastructure realistic?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
This evening is Bridget Morton and Rob Campbell. Hello, are you.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Too hid evening? Bridget?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Are you worried about these kids? I'm worried about these kids.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Yeah, absolutely, particularly I think you know, you look at
the school year. We're in August almost September. We know
that for some kids have only had another couple of
months until they hit that summer break. We need to
keep them in the school system long enough to make
sure that they do get those qualifications. So we haven't
got a way of reassessing them and making sure they
bring up to that standard. Now I'm really worried that
(00:34):
they'll be lost and without those qualifications forever.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yes, same and Rob, what I'm worried about almost as much,
well less so. But it also worries me that educator's
response to this is get rid of the exams because
it's not working, when it seems to me that's not
what you do. You have to teach the kids better.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, yeah, you do have to teach the kids better.
And it's terrible for the youngsters who are affected by
this because they've got COVID as well as changed educational
standards and methods, so it's very very difficult for them
and for their fine. But I don't think we need
to do away with exams completely. But it is a
(01:11):
failure of this particular method of conducting education and exams,
isn't it. And we're making kids where there are consequences
of the failure. That's what concerns me.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, I would agree with that. Okay, Bridget How does
this business with Darlene Tana play out?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, metally, I think that's the problem. And there's a
really big chance that, you know, regardless of whether or
not she succeeds tomorrow in the interim injunction, whether or
not there is a vote on Saturday, that will take
a long time until the Greens are racally able to
in vote the walker jumping legislation. This is not a
problem that's going to go well away fast to the Greens.
He's going to be hanging around I think for at
(01:47):
least another six months on best case of are.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Why do you say six months?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
So basically regard getting to the convocations, But essentially tomorrow
is just you know, an interim hearing just to sort
of stop you the vote going head on Saturday. There's
still a lot of questions, which I assume is probably
quite a lot to do with what this case is about,
about whether or not she's actually distorting for bortanality or parliament.
At the moment, she's not doing so, because she every
(02:14):
time she's cast a vote it's been the same as
what the Greens have done. He's done that either personally
or through to Partimori, and so she actually hasn't done
that to date. Therefore she can kind of keep up
not you know, doing that. There's a real possibility that
she will not be able to or the Greens work
be able to demonstrate to the Speaker that he has
actually distorted parliament for portonality.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
This is actually to roll through. I know people who
are not Greens are taking a great cause of delight
in all this, But for example, that that is not true.
She has on occasion not cast a vote. Sorry, they
have on occasion not cast to vote. They have on
occasion cast to vote through to party MARII on one
occasion at least they have cast a vote through the
(02:56):
act party. Now that is hardly upholding the principal for
which the Green Party stood rob the vote.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Is the vote being cast rob in line with what
the Greens are voting or is it contrary to what
the Greens are saying.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I don't even know that to be honest. Yeah, the
way to ensure that is to ensure that the Green
Party could cast their own votes, isn't it said?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
It's not a test in the legislation. And so that's
the question. There's the issue that Green could gone.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Process. What the legal situation is will be decided by
this process, I guess, and it may take some time.
Budget's right about that. In the meantime, all the Green
Party can do is act according to their rules and
according to their values. So you know, it's all very
irksome for the Greens, and it's all very sort of
fun for people observing them, but the real issues still
(03:50):
go on to some extent. It's a sideshow. It's a
sideshow that Greens can't avoid. But it is a sideshow
and just shows that under the current system, you can
be a pest if you want to.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well said, we'll take a break. Come back shortly.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
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Speaker 2 (04:09):
Herether Darlene is like ray Gun, I just can't look away.
I think we all feel much the same as twelve
Away from Sex and you back of the Huddle, Rob Campbell,
Bridget Morton, Rob on this infrastructure agency that's just been announced.
Am I right in thinking you are not quite into
depoliticizing infrastructure as an idea?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
No? I mean it's sort of a nice thing to have,
but it's a pipe dream, and it's probably a ne
f pipe at that. In this situation, most of most
of the big issues that people are talking about depoliticizing,
like infrastructure, like healthlike energy, are amongst the most political
issues we have. Where are things going to be built,
what sort of things are going to be built, who
(04:48):
will benefit from them, who will contribute to them? Those
are the most intensely political decisions you can have. And
this idea that you can somehow just to distract them
and everyone happily go off into the future the.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Pipe, Yeah, bridge, would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I do think there is a little bit of optimism
needed for this process. I think the floor I see
is I don't see how this thirty year plan is
necessarily commit connected to the funding for it. And we
saw an example coming out of the last government of
you know what happened the schools As the Ministry Education
had committed to a whole lot of rebuilds and new schools.
New government came in, re looked at whether or not
(05:24):
they could actually afford them within the influence that they
had available, and it was put on hold something like
one hundred projects. I don't see necessarily how this process
fits or fixes that budgets element, because ultimately that's up
to the government's of data determines.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Is it not possible, Rob because I agree with you
that it's really hard to get people to agree on
these things, given that they are so that, I mean,
people feel very strongly about them. But what if you
had a group of experts like the Infrastructure Agency, who say,
these are the things that we agree are important for
the country. You can pick from this list, anything.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
From this list. What if you had a group of
experts like the Climate Change Commission and they told you
what you should do? Would everyone go along with that?
There's not much evidence of that at the moment.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, hither is well because basically are you arguing the same.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
As some people.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
That's experts impossible, impossible to de politicize the experts.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well, it is, yeah, we all know that. So these
people that are talking about it, I don't know. You know,
they think they can get away at a moment in
history with imposing a particular view and getting other people
to sign up to it and get committed to it.
You know that's not going to happen. I can tell you.
For example, there's been this sort of consensus between the
legacy political parties for a while about death and thirty
(06:40):
percent of GDP. They keep moving around what it's thirty
percent of and quite how you calculate it, But there's
been that consensus. I'll guarantee that doesn't last anything like
thirty years. It'll be gone in the next few years.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, I think you might well be right now, Bridget
Do you think that in New Zealand will start flying
on time if they are forced to report their time
in the US every single month?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I mean, one of the biggest issues we've got is
we don't have a lot of choices consumers about which,
you know, flights we take or which airlines we take.
I mean, hopefully it does a little bit of embarrassing
them so that they're more aware, but I think for
the most part they're going to have to change some
big internal mechanics to actually say whether or not we're
going to run on time. And does that mean five
minutes late or does it mean two hours late?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What do you reckon, Rob?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
What a lovely diversion. The issue is whether you should
be flying in terms of the climate crisis, not whether early.
That really is a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
When was the last time I flew.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
A few weeks ago. I fly a lot less than
I used to, and the reason for that is I
do I do have a concern about the kind of
impact of flying And that's really the issue for airline
travel in New Zealand is not whether you're five minutes
late or five minutes early for your cocktail party. Frankly,
it's just a diversion. I don't really care about the door.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Are you actually that guy who got the Are you
that guy when people bring something up you're going out
with the climate? Are you that guy a real party boo?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Then guy? Just then? But I don't know for that
might be the reason why don't get invited to parties,
But it doesn't dominate my life as much as it
probably should.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I think we should never.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
People keep carrying on about trivia about whether you can
have two drinks or whether the plane's five minutes late
or whatever it is. These things go in the news
media at the moment, they really are not important dishes.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Bridget, please save me from Rob.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Look, I do agree with them and the part that
it's not really that big of issue, and it does
question flightly, I'm like, why is the government getting involved
in something? Bridget?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
In New Zealand is sometimes an hour late and people
miss their meetings. That's serious for a business.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Absolutely? And I mean I've been in that myself. I
mean I caught a New New Generald flight yesterday and
it was late, so run late to get to a function.
So I think absolutely there has that fact. But I
do agree. I have to say it's not from the
climate change point view, but I do agree with Rob
that there's some really big challenges and frankly, if I'm
a bit late to a function, that is not the
(09:12):
biggest problems going on.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I aming I'm tutting at the pair of you right
now because it has occurred to me that maybe I
am more obsessed than anybody else. I really appreciate it. Guys,
thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Sort out your attitude for next time, Bridget Morton, Rob Gamble.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
This evening is Bridget Morton and Rob Campbell. Hello, are you.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Too hid evening? Bridget?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Are you worried about these kids? I'm worried about these kids.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Yeah, absolutely, particularly I think you know, you look at
the school year. We're in August almost September. We know
that for some kids have only had another couple of
months until they hit that summer break. We need to
keep them in the school system long enough to make
sure that they do get those qualifications. So we haven't
got a way of reassessing them and making sure they
bring up to that standard. Now I'm really worried that
(00:34):
they'll be lost and without those qualifications forever.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yes, same and Rob, what I'm worried about almost as much,
well less so. But it also worries me that educator's
response to this is get rid of the exams because
it's not working, when it seems to me that's not
what you do. You have to teach the kids better.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, yeah, you do have to teach the kids better.
And it's terrible for the youngsters who are affected by
this because they've got COVID as well as changed educational
standards and methods, so it's very very difficult for them
and for their fine. But I don't think we need
to do away with exams completely. But it is a
(01:11):
failure of this particular method of conducting education and exams,
isn't it. And we're making kids where there are consequences
of the failure. That's what concerns me.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, I would agree with that. Okay, Bridget How does
this business with Darlene Tana play out?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, metally, I think that's the problem. And there's a
really big chance that, you know, regardless of whether or
not she succeeds tomorrow in the interim injunction, whether or
not there is a vote on Saturday, that will take
a long time until the Greens are racally able to
in vote the walker jumping legislation. This is not a
problem that's going to go well away fast to the Greens.
He's going to be hanging around I think for at
(01:47):
least another six months on best case of are.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Why do you say six months?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
So basically regard getting to the convocations, But essentially tomorrow
is just you know, an interim hearing just to sort
of stop you the vote going head on Saturday. There's
still a lot of questions, which I assume is probably
quite a lot to do with what this case is about,
about whether or not she's actually distorting for bortanality or parliament.
At the moment, she's not doing so, because she every
(02:14):
time she's cast a vote it's been the same as
what the Greens have done. He's done that either personally
or through to Partimori, and so she actually hasn't done
that to date. Therefore she can kind of keep up
not you know, doing that. There's a real possibility that
she will not be able to or the Greens work
be able to demonstrate to the Speaker that he has
actually distorted parliament for portonality.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
This is actually to roll through. I know people who
are not Greens are taking a great cause of delight
in all this, But for example, that that is not true.
She has on occasion not cast a vote. Sorry, they
have on occasion not cast to vote. They have on
occasion cast to vote through to party MARII on one
occasion at least they have cast a vote through the
(02:56):
act party. Now that is hardly upholding the principal for
which the Green Party stood rob the vote.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Is the vote being cast rob in line with what
the Greens are voting or is it contrary to what
the Greens are saying.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
I don't even know that to be honest. Yeah, the
way to ensure that is to ensure that the Green
Party could cast their own votes, isn't it said?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
It's not a test in the legislation. And so that's
the question. There's the issue that Green could gone.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Process. What the legal situation is will be decided by
this process, I guess, and it may take some time.
Budget's right about that. In the meantime, all the Green
Party can do is act according to their rules and
according to their values. So you know, it's all very
irksome for the Greens, and it's all very sort of
fun for people observing them, but the real issues still
(03:50):
go on to some extent. It's a sideshow. It's a
sideshow that Greens can't avoid. But it is a sideshow
and just shows that under the current system, you can
be a pest if you want to.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Well said, we'll take a break. Come back shortly.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Exceptional marketing
for every property.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Herether Darlene is like ray Gun, I just can't look away.
I think we all feel much the same as twelve
Away from Sex and you back of the Huddle, Rob Campbell,
Bridget Morton, Rob on this infrastructure agency that's just been announced.
Am I right in thinking you are not quite into
depoliticizing infrastructure as an idea?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
No? I mean it's sort of a nice thing to have,
but it's a pipe dream, and it's probably a ne
f pipe at that. In this situation, most of most
of the big issues that people are talking about depoliticizing,
like infrastructure, like healthlike energy, are amongst the most political
issues we have. Where are things going to be built,
what sort of things are going to be built, who
(04:48):
will benefit from them, who will contribute to them? Those
are the most intensely political decisions you can have. And
this idea that you can somehow just to distract them
and everyone happily go off into the future the.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Pipe, Yeah, bridge, would you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I do think there is a little bit of optimism
needed for this process. I think the floor I see
is I don't see how this thirty year plan is
necessarily commit connected to the funding for it. And we
saw an example coming out of the last government of
you know what happened the schools As the Ministry Education
had committed to a whole lot of rebuilds and new schools.
New government came in, re looked at whether or not
(05:24):
they could actually afford them within the influence that they
had available, and it was put on hold something like
one hundred projects. I don't see necessarily how this process
fits or fixes that budgets element, because ultimately that's up
to the government's of data determines.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Is it not possible, Rob because I agree with you
that it's really hard to get people to agree on
these things, given that they are so that, I mean,
people feel very strongly about them. But what if you
had a group of experts like the Infrastructure Agency, who say,
these are the things that we agree are important for
the country. You can pick from this list, anything.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
From this list. What if you had a group of
experts like the Climate Change Commission and they told you
what you should do? Would everyone go along with that?
There's not much evidence of that at the moment.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, hither is well because basically are you arguing the same.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
As some people.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
That's experts impossible, impossible to de politicize the experts.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well, it is, yeah, we all know that. So these
people that are talking about it, I don't know. You know,
they think they can get away at a moment in
history with imposing a particular view and getting other people
to sign up to it and get committed to it.
You know that's not going to happen. I can tell you.
For example, there's been this sort of consensus between the
legacy political parties for a while about death and thirty
(06:40):
percent of GDP. They keep moving around what it's thirty
percent of and quite how you calculate it, But there's
been that consensus. I'll guarantee that doesn't last anything like
thirty years. It'll be gone in the next few years.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, I think you might well be right now, Bridget
Do you think that in New Zealand will start flying
on time if they are forced to report their time
in the US every single month?
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I mean, one of the biggest issues we've got is
we don't have a lot of choices consumers about which,
you know, flights we take or which airlines we take.
I mean, hopefully it does a little bit of embarrassing
them so that they're more aware, but I think for
the most part they're going to have to change some
big internal mechanics to actually say whether or not we're
going to run on time. And does that mean five
minutes late or does it mean two hours late?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
What do you reckon, Rob?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
What a lovely diversion. The issue is whether you should
be flying in terms of the climate crisis, not whether early.
That really is a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
When was the last time I flew.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
A few weeks ago. I fly a lot less than
I used to, and the reason for that is I
do I do have a concern about the kind of
impact of flying And that's really the issue for airline
travel in New Zealand is not whether you're five minutes
late or five minutes early for your cocktail party. Frankly,
it's just a diversion. I don't really care about the door.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Are you actually that guy who got the Are you
that guy when people bring something up you're going out
with the climate? Are you that guy a real party boo?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Then guy? Just then? But I don't know for that
might be the reason why don't get invited to parties,
But it doesn't dominate my life as much as it
probably should.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I think we should never.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
People keep carrying on about trivia about whether you can
have two drinks or whether the plane's five minutes late
or whatever it is. These things go in the news
media at the moment, they really are not important dishes.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Bridget, please save me from Rob.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Look, I do agree with them and the part that
it's not really that big of issue, and it does
question flightly, I'm like, why is the government getting involved
in something? Bridget?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
In New Zealand is sometimes an hour late and people
miss their meetings. That's serious for a business.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Absolutely? And I mean I've been in that myself. I
mean I caught a New New Generald flight yesterday and
it was late, so run late to get to a function.
So I think absolutely there has that fact. But I
do agree. I have to say it's not from the
climate change point view, but I do agree with Rob
that there's some really big challenges and frankly, if I'm
a bit late to a function, that is not the
(09:12):
biggest problems going on.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I aming I'm tutting at the pair of you right
now because it has occurred to me that maybe I
am more obsessed than anybody else. I really appreciate it. Guys,
thank you for coming on.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Sort out your attitude for next time, Bridget Morton, Rob Gamble.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
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