Full Show Podcast: 28 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story. It's hither
duplicy Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You stop, said b.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Afternoon. Coming up on the show, Darlene Tan has taken
legal action to stop the Green Party kicking her out
of Parliament. There is a court hearing tomorrow. This is
just breaking right now, so we'll get you across all
the details. Got big problems with the NCAA. Looks like
thousands of kids have failed those exams that they sort
of need to pass if they want to get NCEEA.
We're going to speak to a principal and Oasis is reuniting,

(00:34):
but will they come to New Zealand. We will speak
to Eden Park's boss.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Hither duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Let me start by saying that Tony Wakeland, the county's
madecow cop, was one hundred percent correct when he called
out those people filming dead bodies after the crash on
the Southern Motorway out of Auckland yesterday. He said that
they were disgusting for what they did, and he is right.
But while he's right, I think that we all need
to accept that this is not going to be the
last time that we see this kind of thing happening.

(01:01):
In fact, it's not even the first time. I mean
it's happened before. In the mall after the bond Ie stabbing,
remember that someone filmed a young woman who was lying
there dead having been stabbed. That is how her mum
found out her daughter was dead. Everyone has a phone,
it's got a camera, it's connected to the internet, and unfortunately,
people are obsessed currently in this modern day with putting
absolutely everything that they get on their phones online. Not

(01:25):
everyone is like that, obviously, thankfully. I mean some people
the first thing that they did when they saw that
crash was to stop the car, jump out and try
to help the people who were really hurt. They are
good people, they have good values. But there are clearly
enough people who don't have those values and instead will
choose to film what they see instead of helping what
they see. And it's always been like that. This is
not a modern phenomenon. There have always been good people

(01:46):
in this world, and there have always been bad people
in this world, or people who are just bits of duds.
And while I respect what Tony Wakelan was saying yesterday,
he can say it until he's blue in the face.
There will always be crappy people in the world who
do crappy things, and it's just basically what we saw.
We can't stop them putting the stuff online, right, it's
not illegal, and if it's not illegal, they're gonna do it.

(02:06):
And we can try as hard as we like, but
it's not gonna work. I mean, just Sinda our Durn's
christ Church callers a complete failure. That was the whole
point of that thing, was to stop people putting stuff
on the Internet that we don't like. Hasn't work. People
still put the stuff on the Internet. And if you can,
even if you could police the Internet, they just go
to the dark web. They'll find ways around it. The
only thing that we can do, really, and I've said
this before, but I will say it as many times

(02:28):
as I need to until we all understand it. The
only thing that we can do is choose what we
look at online. We have got to become our own senses.
We cannot have a chief censor anymore. They cannot stop
what's on the Internet. We've got to censor it for ourselves.
We've got to police what we consume on the Internet,
and we more importantly have to teach our kids, to
police what they consume on the internet for their mental

(02:48):
health as well, and to guard what they see. The algorithm, well,
sometimes get around it, but the algorithm will be guided
by what you show an interest in. You click on
this kind of stuff, you'll get more of it fed
to you. So don't click on it. So, yes, what
happened yesterday was disgusting, or what happened earlier this week
was discussing was called out yesterday was disgusting, but it
is not going to stop. The only thing you can
do is choose what you look at. Ever do for

(03:11):
ce Ellen Jander Texti's apply and the number, by the
way is nine two ninety two now Health New Zealand.
Health New Zealand has started a new round of restructuring.
It's asking for voluntary redundancies from anyone working in health administration,
advisory and knowledge roles to apply for redundancy. Health Commissioner
Alista Levy has previously said that they need to cut

(03:32):
between two thy five hundred and three thousand back off
of staff to save money. Nurses Organization Chief executive Paul
Golter is with us on this.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Hey, Paul, Yeah, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Do we know how many they may cut in this
round of redundancy.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
No, no, we don't, which is one of the unfortunate
things that have resulted from their failure to follow a
proper consultation process. So we're unable to answer that.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, Now, I mean, we'll probably disagree about whether the
offices a little bit fatt here, but I mean I
think what we will agree on is if you cut
too deep, it affects the front front of line staff,
doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, And that's the that's the feedback we've been getting
all day as this is saying, well, who's going to
do that work? And if it's us, who's going to
do the rest of the work we have to leave behind?
So there's real knock on effects in this sort of thing.
And that's the sort of thing that should have been

(04:27):
worked through with us.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
But do you guys want to have a say on it?

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well, the proposition has always comes from the employer, But
basically there are consultation clauses inside the collective agreements which
require the employer to bring their proposal to the table
and you sit down and you have a talk about
the numbers, and you wik your way through it, and
ultimately a proposal will emerge, which will be the employer's proposal,

(04:53):
and ultimately it's their decision. But working through that process
is way better understanding that what's going on. Chance to say,
maybe as an employee got it.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Wrong, Paul, but I mean with respect, Well, while I
do totally understand that you guys want to have to say,
if they have to consult with every single union that
is represented in a hospital, they will be consulting for
months because it's you guys, it's the doctors, it's the
other doctors, it's the cleaners, it's everybody.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, well they should have thought about that when they
put those clauses into the agreement.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
But is the agreement. Is that clause in the agreement
not pertaining to consultation with the affected union, not every
other union, with the ear So.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
I can only speak obviously for ended no, and he
definitely have that clause, and I understand that's common to
the others. But we will be affected by the proposal.
There's no doubt at all about that. And so we
just didn't get a chance to have a conversation at
all about that. It was just pretty much announced.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Does your so do your contracts your collective agreements say
that they have to consult with you guys, not just
on redundancies that affect nurses, but on redundancies that affect
literally any job that may be adjacent to a.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
Nurse it's affected by is the test and I think
you put your finger on it right in question. You know,
the knock on effects of taking roles out, particularly in
a very independent industry like our health, has a real impact.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Paul. Can you assure me that you guys are not
just being difficult to make life difficult for a center
right government that you don't support, because this just feels
a bitpicky from you.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
No.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
I think enforcing or having your contractful obligations in the
cliptic of agreements met. I think that's independent of who's
in power, and more importantly by there to get a
better outcome than just one party saying this is the
rules and you've got to abide by them.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Paul, listen, Thank you very much. I really appreciate I actually, Paul,
before I let you go, do you know anything about
what's going on here with the HDU department in Wellington?

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Sorry, I just you just dropped out HDU partners.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
No, No, do you anything about what's going on with
the HDU, the High Dependency Unit in Wellington Regional Hospital.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
No, no, I don't know. I'm sorry, I know this
constant problems here.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
You're not expected to know everything. Thank you very much, Paul.
I really appreciated Paul Goalter from the New Zealand Nurses Organization.
I'm going to run you through what we do know
about the HDU, the High Dependency Unit, because this is
just a cluster. Like you're going to lose confidence of
the bosses at Health New Zealand when you hear about this.
Listen on the situation that's just emerging now. The Greens
have just held a press conference starting at four o'clock.

(07:34):
It was a last minute press conference that they called.
Chloe Swarbrick was there in Ricardo men Indez March talking
about what Darlene's up to.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
We received an email from lawyers representing Darlene Tanner notifying
us that they had lodged proceedings and the High Court
seeking through to share review of the Green Party. Myself
and Sionagil Martam and Davidson as co leaders and Cony Hitter.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Our governing council and there's more.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yesterday evening.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
At approximately five twenty five, we received further notice that
an application for an interim injunction had been filed at
the Auckland High Court, seeking in order that the planned
Special General Meeting this Sunday not to go ahead.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Now that meeting on Sunday is being called basically not
just basic like it actually is being called to discuss
whether they use the Walker jumping legislation to kick her
out of Parliament. She has now got this injunction ahead
of the meeting to basically decide whether that meeting can
happen to kick her out. The hearing is scheduled for
tomorrow at ten am High Court in Auckland. Chloe is

(08:35):
being pretty guarded with her comments about this.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
What I can say is that in the next kind
of twenty four hours, especially subsequent to that court hearing
tomorrow morning, we will have more to share with all
of you, And I want to be really clear that
we have done absolutely everything that we can here to
ensure that we can be fully transparent with you and
share all of the information in due course. Right now,
a lot of that information is subject confidentiality and legal advice.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Right we will get you across the Sparrisope is going
to be with us in around about half an hour's time.
Right now, it's sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplic Alan
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Speaker 3 (09:20):
This is the situation with Wellington Regional Hospital. Okay, Wellington
Regional Hospital is currently building a high Dependency unit HDU.
It's got twelve beds now. High dependency unit is a
really important thing because when somebody comes out of ICU
intensive care, they can't just necessarily go straight back to
the ward because they might not be well enough, like
you're you're kind of you're almost sick, you're dying, and

(09:43):
then that's for ICU, and then the ward is for
your totally well, you're not you're most you're not going
to die on us any minute, right, And the HDU
is that interim step where they're like, oh yeah, sort
of getting better, but we're just a little bit worried
about you. They are building this thing. They have not
got one of these up, but from the sounds of
things as far as I understand, the unit is eighty
percent completed, and on Tuesday yesterday, the Infrastructure Oversite Group,

(10:07):
who are in charge of the sent out an email
saying to everybody, down tools, We're not building this thing anymore.
Stop what you're doing, which is crazy because apparently they've
already offered staff employment to work there and stuff like that. Now,
how crazy is that you're eighty percent through a build
of something that you need and you've offered jobs to
staff and you just go, okay, that's it, right. Pollingpin
Marjorie Upper had to step in, which is probably less

(10:29):
de levee having to step in and tell them no,
you pick up your tools and you finish the job.
That is how crazy Health New Zealand is at the
moment twenty past four and Darcy water Grave sports talkhosters
with me right now. He does eighty percent. Mate. I know,
like when you come into the studio, I just tell
you things that blow your mind all the time, because
that's what's up.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
It's because I focus predominantly on sport because it's not
as depressing as the real wills, although the real word
is quite stimulating. To be fair, I'm not not a
news junkie. But I know, but eighty percent I know.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Hey, am I supposed to have heard of Jerome Pampalone.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
Jerome Pampalone is part of Peach Boxing and tonight he's
taking on a bloke called Connor Wallace and this is
a title eliminator. So he wins this, he goes to
a IBF title fight for light heavyweight. Now, he was
in an eliminator a few months ago, but he got beaten,
first time he's ever been beaten, and he was but somehow,
with the vagaries of boxing, he managed to get himself

(11:22):
another title shot, not quite but an eliminated final that's
coming up tonight. So Jerome Pampalone super super nice guy.
Plumber's part time in the spare time when he's not plumbing, yeah,
because he works with Peach. He punches people in the
face and he's all that. I've watched him quite a
few times live, Darcy. I've watched him nail people by

(11:44):
heading them in the liver and just watched them fold up.

Speaker 7 (11:46):
It's frightening.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
One of the most interesting things that I have discovered
today was people slapping each other for competitive powerslap power
slap you and the boys in sport sitting around watching
these power slap videos? What's going on? Did you even
come across Oh?

Speaker 6 (12:01):
I wasn't watching the videos. I wanted to show you
what it was because you didn't know, so I said, okay,
here we go.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Why were you even on the subject?

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Power slap is something turned up a couple of years
ago down to White from UFC decided to be a
good idea and we're absolutely gobsmacked at the stupidity of it.
But tonight's talk back. Not only we're talking I dro
and Pampal, I'm going to talk to Isaac Peach's coast,
but the fact that five sports is really accelerating over
here in New Zealand with mixed martial art with box
and Da Da Da Da. But would we ever go

(12:29):
as far as.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Literally where you've got two men standing there to competitors, right,
your two competitors, because we do point decide who gets
to go first, and the receiver has to stand there
and take slaps that are so hard they can.

Speaker 6 (12:43):
Slap it's one them out.

Speaker 8 (12:46):
It's insane.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
It's like a like an open handed punch.

Speaker 6 (12:50):
Pretty much, and it's like, you know, the they and
an appallingly low IQ well they came out with one Day.
I don't think they do much in the way training
to imagine that in the gym. But look, there's money
to be made from Dana White, so he is all
over it. But that one of the key parts of

(13:11):
boxing and of mixed martial arts is what defense. Yes,
defend yourself at all times.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
That's the way it rolls. Not watching people eat the
hottest chili in the world is basically that isn't it. Darcy.
I'm really looking forward to the show this evening. It's
going to be crazy appreciated. That's Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk
hosts seven o'clock for twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
The name you trust to get the answers you need.
Heather Dup to see allan drive with One New Zealand
let's get connected and New Talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Hither, what about the hospital wing at north Shore Brand
New sitting there empty? Lind Ha ha, I know, I know,
Health New Zealand love me how that's our brain's exploding
it watching these people just trying to do their jobs. Hither.
I'm a nurse and I agree with you that Paul
of the n z NO is actually just being petty
as they often do, appear to be a left leaning union.

(14:00):
I don't appear it made. They are. All unions are
left leaning and are kicking up against the national government. Yup,
I suspect that's what's up here. Hither are you sure
that filming those dead bodies on State Hiway one wasn't illegal,
objectionable or offensive. It was objectionable and it was offensive.
But no, it's not illegal because I refer you to
Bend's text. Hither, you're entitled legally to film in livestream

(14:22):
anything you can see from public I'm sad it happened,
but this video does not breach the Digital Publication Act.
Therefore it can be filmed and posted. If you film
a crash and there is a dead body, this is
classed as accidental inclusion. Therefore it is not against the law.
So there you go. We can rail against it, we
can call it out, but that is really all we
can do. This stuff is just going to go up there.
And this is the thing about the Internet. It's awesome.

(14:43):
A The Internet is awesome because you get how much
great stuff is there and then how much stink stuff
is there as well, So you just have to pick
what you're consuming. Listen. We've talked a lot about what
we're going to do about the infrastructure situation in this country.
May have a step taken, a step towards bipartisanship on this.
The government's just announced that it's going to set up
an infrastructure agency. It's basically going to take Crown Infrastructure Partners,

(15:06):
which is an existing agency. They were the ones who
rolled out fiber and did they do a good job
or what they will be renamed. They'll basically be molded
into this new Infrastructure Agency ready by the end of
the year and they will be given a pipeline of
thirty years of work to get cracking into right. And
the idea is that you get both sides to agree
to it quite how, and then then they get updated

(15:28):
every six months. The political parties on this. Quite How
you get that agreement when one side loves a highway
and the other side loves a cycle, I don't know,
but Chris Bishop may be able to answer that for
us when he's with us. After five o'clock headlines an.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
X find your smart speaker on the iHeart app and
in your car on your drive home. Heather Duplice Allen
Drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected a news
talk ausz' be.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Here.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Who's paying Darleen's court costs? Susie Lord? Who's paying the
Greens called costs? I actually don't know the answer because
I'm worried about it both ways here, I don't actually
know the answers to this because is this a parliamentary
Is this a party political matter? Therefore the parties pay
for It's a parliamentary matter, therefore we pay for it.
I'm getting sick of them? Are you getting sick of them?

(16:33):
I'm getting sick of their crap? The Greens are really
starting to get on my nerves. Anyway, Maybe Barry can
answer that question for us when he's with us in
ten minutes time. I've got to get you across what's
going on with the kids and the nceea, because if
you were worried about your child's education already, you are
going to be probably more worried when I finish telling
you what I'm about to tell you right now. Oh
by the way, hey Oasis, did you know? I didn't

(16:55):
know this until last night. There's a third brother. So
there's Liam, he's the youngest, and then there's the one
with the eyebrows NOL, and then above them is Paul,
and Paul is not a musician. I feel sorry for
Paul because you know, it's always stincd to be the
dud guy, isn't it, when the other two were doing
really well, and then every's like this year as well?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Who are you?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Anyway? He is really really tight with Liam the young one,
and seems to have had a slight falling out with
NOL when Liam and Nol were at the height of
their disputes and stuff, but may have falled off slightly
with NOL, so he may be okay with both of them.
But he and Liam talk to each other every other day.
They're really really tight. He basically makes his money by
the sounds of things hanging around with Liam, so he

(17:35):
DJ's at his shows and takes photographs of the official
photographer and stuff like that, which is very nice that
they've looked after their dud brother like that. Hates their fame,
That's the thing, he says. I would say to them,
he needs to reassess that because he is making a
sweet living off their fame, isn't it. Anyway? The question
now is if you were like me, immediately hit the

(17:56):
website at seven last night and had a look at
what they're doing and all of their their tour dates
are in the UK. There is no speculation that they
may go into Europe and if that works well then
they may go worldwide. So we have a chat to
the most likely place they would end up if they
ever bothered to come to New Zealand is Eden Park
Web a chat to the Eden Park boss quarter past

(18:16):
five about how he rates our chances. Twenty three away
from five, it's.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
The World Wires on news Dogs Dy Drive.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
The latest Israeli hostage to be rescued from Garzan may
have escaped from his captors himself. The Israel Defense Forces
say they can't give many details on how the rescue happened,
but a senior military official says that the troops found
the man alone in a tunnel. The former hostages brother
says the family is just overjoyed to have him back.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
It's difficult to explain how it feels. It's better than
having a new board. We thank God, We thank everyone.
I don't hope to see him healthy. We're very happy.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
So if you want to go and see Oasis Reunion tour,
and if you don't who Are You? The tickets go
on sale Saturday night, our time. The Gallagher Brothers have
announced they'll be reforming the band, playing fourteen shows across
the UK and Ireland next year. And Chris Moyles of
Radio X is that in hindsight, there were a few
clues that something was brewing.

Speaker 9 (19:08):
They said a couple of nice things about each other
recently and that made everybody go, oh, hold on a second.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
And then Liam played.

Speaker 9 (19:14):
Reading and Leeds at the weekend and dedicated a song
to knowl which then got over me excited.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
And then this.

Speaker 9 (19:21):
Little video blip of the date at eight am this morning.
And then by that point, I mean literally Oasis Funds
were just sitting at the button Buttom of the chimney
on Christmas Eve.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
And finally, a new attraction has opened in Barcelona where
you can pay to be locked in a coffin for
up to half an hour. It's called Catalepsy, and it's
kind of like an escape room where instead of solving
puzzles to get out of a locker room, you have
to solve puzzles to escape the coffin that you're trapped in.
If that sounds a little boring to you. You can
choose to have some fake smoke and flames pumped into

(19:52):
the coffin while you play.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Awesome International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
David Smith, Guardian's Washington Bureau Chiefs with US.

Speaker 10 (20:03):
Hey David, Hello, how are you very well?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Thank you? So Carmela's agreed to the first interview, has she?

Speaker 8 (20:10):
Yes?

Speaker 11 (20:11):
There was growing pressure on Kamala Harris to actually sit
down with an interviewer and take some questions. As one
person actually from CNN put it to, if you're going
to have the nuclear codes, you should be able to
answer some questions. And now it's happening on Thursday night
at nine pm Eastern time in the US, both Harris
and her running mate Tim Waltz will be doing an

(20:35):
interview with CNN with the presenter Dana Bash. And yeah,
it'll be fascinating to see how she deals with questions about,
you know, what separates her from President Joe Biden and
how she shifted her position on issues such as healthcare
and immigration. For example, what does she think about Donald

(20:55):
Trump's wall? And obviously a whole range of foreign policy
is use from Gaza to Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
How do you expect Diana Besh to be I mean,
is she going to go hard or what do you expect?

Speaker 8 (21:09):
I'd say sort of middling.

Speaker 11 (21:11):
I think I watch her quite a lot on Sunday
shows on TV, and she's a widely respected journalist, been
at CNN for quite a long time. But she does
not have a reputation as a tough as a super
tough sort of bruiser interrogator.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
She's not sort of infamous for that.

Speaker 11 (21:31):
So I think she'll be it should be hard but fair,
and certainly on these occasions, like with the debates, she
will be scrutinized in terms of, you know, did she
go in hard enough, did she ask the right questions?

Speaker 8 (21:45):
It's a it's a pressured.

Speaker 11 (21:46):
Moment for the for the interviewer as well as the interviewees.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
David, what do you make of her bringing in Tim Waltz?
Is that smart because it feels like she's bringing him
in as cover.

Speaker 11 (21:58):
Certainly, I think critics will say that, and I was
reading some reports that say, once this since you is done,
she will be under immediate pressure to do a solo interview.
But in the first instance, it sort of makes sense,
I think, in that they work well together as a ticket,
they're seen as complimentary. Just in general, the Harris campaign

(22:22):
is trying to present an image to the nation which
includes not only her as you know, a California Liberals
they're perceived and obviously as a woman from color.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
They've a woman of color.

Speaker 11 (22:35):
They've really balanced that with this kind of Midwestern dad
who's a football coach and a bit more old fashioned
and appealing to certain demographics. And it's probably logical for
them to present them as a package, not least.

Speaker 8 (22:50):
Because as vice president.

Speaker 11 (22:52):
You know, there are still some people who don't know
that much about Kamala Harris, but there are even more
people who don't know anything about.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Criticism is that she's acting like she's scared people aren't
gonna like her.

Speaker 11 (23:04):
Yeah, I think you will certainly hear that from Republicans
and right wing media, and it will be interesting to
see this interview format in terms of does she deal
with most of the questions, is he kind of looking
on or does he chip.

Speaker 8 (23:20):
In at times?

Speaker 11 (23:23):
And yeah, we will then see the post mortems in
terms of you know, how she came over and you
know what was he assisting in that but yeah, I
think certainly there will then be pressure for her to
go solo as well.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
David, what do we have any idea what Mike Zuckerberg
was talking about, what the content was that he said
he was pressured to take off Facebook.

Speaker 11 (23:51):
Yeah, this is Zuckerberg talking on Tuesday about president and the
US government sense of posts us to be about coronavirus.
And you know, he says, the Biden administration repeatedly pressured
his teams at Facebook to sense of certain COVID nineteen

(24:13):
content to including humor and satire. And he's not given
that much more detail about specific posts, but we're talking
about millions of pieces of information which he now regrets.

Speaker 8 (24:26):
He says, you know, Facebook.

Speaker 11 (24:28):
Should have spoken out earlier, and the consequence of this
is that there'll be less control of information or misinformation
at times during the coming election.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
I'd love to know what it was, David. Thank you
very much, Really appreciate your time as always. David Smith,
Guardian's Washington Bureau Chief. Hither, I'm a nineties young adult.
Couldn't see the point of oasis then even less so
now wouldn't see them. If it was free, mate, I
would fly to the UK to see them. What planet
are you on?

Speaker 12 (24:59):
This is?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
This is a time sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
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Speaker 3 (25:06):
Certainy very so bou sing your political correspondence with us,
Barry Hello.

Speaker 13 (25:10):
Good afternoon, Heathern.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
So would you rate the chances of Darlien being able
to stop this with a judicial review in court?

Speaker 13 (25:19):
Well, well, she may be able to stop initially the
meeting that's going to take place this weekend. What they
want is a review of the Green's decision. Now that
could take some considerable time if they have to go
through it line by line. But I doubt that the
court will choose that because it's easy to facilitate a

(25:40):
walker jumping legislation, which is what this weekend meeting was
all about, to give the go ahead to.

Speaker 8 (25:46):
Do that or otherwise.

Speaker 13 (25:48):
But I'll tell you what Chloe's Forbrick was quite clear
that it's a proportionality issue and Darleen Tana has no
place in parliament polism.

Speaker 5 (25:59):
What we are talking about as somebody who currently occupies
a seat in our parliament that was earned by the
three hundred and thirty thousand New Zealanders who voted for
the Green Party. At this most recent election, those New
Zealanders voted for our principles and our values and our policies,
and we very strongly are of the view and our
caucus has taken the unprecedented stance of requesting unanimously the

(26:22):
resignation of Darlingana on the basis that they have completely
demonstrated and undermining of those very values and principles.

Speaker 13 (26:30):
And my view here that what Darlingana has done by
taking this legal action is ensured that once this is
cleared out of the way, then that walk at jumping
legislation will be invoked and she'll be out of parliament.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Barry this little this issue of Chris Luxen saying that
Maori that Ewee leaders did seed sovereignty when they signed
the Treaty of Whitean's becoming a bit of a problem
for re may.

Speaker 13 (26:56):
Well, look, it's been a debate, it's been debated for
many year years of course, whether they did seed sovereignty.
And I remember them in Parliament last week it was
under a number of questions that were asked to them
about whether the crown was sovereign and what he said
was that Maori ceeded sovereignty when they signed the Treaty

(27:18):
of Waitangi, and if you look up the meaning of sovereignty,
it's the authority for a state to govern itself. And
you know, it's arguable that the Maldi would argue, and
through the Waitangi Tribunal that they're citing their finding, the
Maldi would argue, well, that's not that's the English interpretation,

(27:39):
but it's not the Maldi interpretation. And I think personally,
if you go back to eighteen forty, I think Maldi
were probably fairly clear that they were happy enough for
the crown to govern the country whilst they had their
own rights, of course, to govern their own territories.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Okay. The difficulty is whether what it brings us to
is a debate about whether the parliament is sovereign right now.
And I don't think, I mean, nobody in Parliament is
going to say Parliament is not sovereign right Oh?

Speaker 13 (28:11):
Absolutely, And that is the big issue, isn't it really?
That you know, he was forced into it, and he reluctantly.
I remember him saying it that they did seed sovereignty,
and if you look at the interpretation literally, of course
they seeded sovereignty. But that's an argument and it's one
that was proffered by the Waitangi Tribunal because they said

(28:36):
the Orangutara who signed the treaty didn't seed sovereignty. But
don't forget the Waitangi Tribunal is simply an independent commission
of inquiry.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
What did help an easy, say to Rombooker at this
of Parlance forum.

Speaker 13 (28:51):
Well, it was quite extraordinary actually, because Chris Luxon, as
we know, he's pretty good at engaging with people. He
had gone around all the other Pacific leaders and when
it came to Albanesi, he essentially there was a bit
of banter going on between the two and Albanese said

(29:11):
to Luxen, are getting into trouble and he said, yeah,
getting into trouble. Responded he responded to that before don't
put him in detention.

Speaker 8 (29:21):
Pleasant I don't quite know.

Speaker 13 (29:23):
What Luxan was meaning by that, but it was the
clinch or the clanger that was committed by Albanesi in
a jovial mood. He came up behind the seated Fijian
prime in the Siscific city of any Rambooka and grabbed
him by the shoulders and proclaimed, you're under arrest, lord,
you're arrest or what on earthy was meaning God only knows.

(29:46):
I mean at the bee has to city of any
Rambuka because I was there and I was one of
those who was arrested in the first coup. I don't
know whether that joke should have been made to a
man like Ramboka.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
No, not at all, especially given them all the stuff
that's floated around around him. I Barry, thank you appreciated.
Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Digging into the issues that affect you the mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 14 (30:12):
So the government here find a massiphiscal hole.

Speaker 12 (30:14):
So what do they do?

Speaker 14 (30:15):
They start implementing some savings and give us some tax cuts.
The new government in Britain, the Labor government, to find
a massive fiscal hole. What do they do while they
put the textus up?

Speaker 15 (30:23):
How is it?

Speaker 14 (30:24):
If you can explain to me, the Labor government of
Australia gets it. The Labor opposition of New Zealand does not.

Speaker 15 (30:29):
I think this is going into the realms of psychology
as in engineering.

Speaker 14 (30:34):
So if you're one of those international operators who goes,
shall I invest in New Zealand or shall I not?

Speaker 10 (30:39):
None of this?

Speaker 14 (30:40):
Back tomorrow at six Am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Rain, drove the Lamb News Talk ZB here.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
The Chloe wants to run the country, but you can't
control her own party. Look, no party is above this
kind of thing, right I mean, we've got rogue, We've
got people going rogan. All parties, I mean, every single
party in Parliament right now has been blighted with this
kind of thing. The problem for the Greens is that
they really wanted Darleene to just go away, do you
know what I mean? She was sitting there just reminding people, Yeah,

(31:08):
this is the kind of crappy person you picked to
go into the party. This is the kind of candidate
you choose. And I think in their heads they were like,
if we just trigger the waker jumping legislation, she'll be gone.
The whole issue will die, It'll go away, people forget
about it and will be like Darlene who But now
Darling's dragging it out. And as Barry was sort of suggesting,
if the judicial review can go on for a while,

(31:30):
if a judge doesn't make a decision immediately, god only knows,
And then they've got to reschedule this blinking meeting. That's
supposed to happen at the weekend, and what happens after that,
so and what if it's appealed. I just I'm kind
of loving it, Like, don't lie and don't pretend you're not.
Because the Greens are so sanctimonious, it's nice for them
to have a little bit of egg on their face

(31:51):
out for making a mistake, because frankly, they choose the
wrong candidates the whole time, don't they. Now, this is
the situation with what's going on with NCEEA. This is
the first year where kids who are sitting in CEA
have got to pass this exam. Right, there are three
exams reading, Literacy, Reading, writing, and maths. They've got the

(32:11):
three of them. These are the corequisites. They've got to
get those corequisites in order to get NCA. You don't
get the corequisites, you don't get NCEEA now for two years,
this year and next year. If they fail the exam
they've got, they can they can make up those credits
in another way in twenty twenty six. You've got to
pass the exam or you're out right, so we get

(32:32):
we're starting to get to the pointy end of things.
We are halfway to this being essentially compulsory. Get a
load of this. Fifty four percent of kids failed maths. Now,
remember you've got to get all three exams in order
to get NCAA, so that means fifty four percent of
kids at this stage are not going to get NCAA
unleas they can make these credits up. It's very hard
to find out exactly how many kids have failed reading

(32:54):
and how many of them have failed writing because unfortunately
and the reporter, it's just been broken down into ethnicity group,
so the total not entirely shureup. But you could go
buy the maths number and go it's fifty four percent
who are not going to get nca unless they make
these credits up. How on earth have we got this
massive number of kids who don't know basic staff in
order to be able to get their qualification. We're going

(33:14):
to talk to one of the principles about this, Kate Gainsford,
who is a principle of Altier College in Wellington, and
I've got to give you the latest news on Tory.
You know our mate Tory and Wellington stand by for
that news talk.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
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Speaker 2 (33:30):
You taught them to enjoy.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
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Heather due to clam Drive with One New Zealand, Let's
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Speaker 3 (33:54):
Afternoon Darling. Tana is fighting for her political life at
the moment. The former Green MP has filed an and
function trying to stop her former party, the Greens, from
convening a special general meeting this weekend. Now, this meeting
was where delegates were supposed to decide whether to invoke
the Wacker jumping law against Darlene Tanner Jason Walls as
News Talk zb's political letter to Jason Hallow Afternoon, Heather,

(34:15):
the Greens made it sound like they were surprised, but
they must have seen this coming from that letter just
a few weeks back.

Speaker 16 (34:21):
You know, honestly, I don't think that they did. I mean,
it's a pretty unprecedented move. I mean it's the sort
of move that somebody with their back against the wall
makes just really fighting for their political life. Looking at
this really holistically, it's a really hard legal stretch to make.
Do You're basically saying that you're putting an injunction on
a asking the courts to prevent a political party from meeting. Now,

(34:41):
we don't know the details of what's happening, but I
actually we talked to Chloe Swarbeck. I will give her
that she didn't seem too worried about this. I mean,
her lawyer is working for free, and here's why our.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
Lawyer is operating on a pro bono basis. I haven't
got into the details of the motivations behind that. I'm
assuming that this is a pretty interesting.

Speaker 16 (35:00):
So if your lawyer's working because it's an interesting case,
it doesn't exactly scream like you're really worried about what's happening.
But I would say yes, I would say that they
probably didn't see this aspect of this coming.

Speaker 10 (35:12):
But I don't think that they're particularly worried.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well they should have, though, I mean, it was obvious
to everybody that there was legal action coming after that
letter in the way it was set out. Some surprise
by that is the meeting at the weekend still honor
if they canceled it.

Speaker 16 (35:23):
Well, it's at this stage it's a bit of Schrodingers
meeting because it's not on or off at this stage,
they're just waiting to see what happens. I mean, they
haven't canceled it or they haven't postponed it. They're just
simply waiting to see what happens tomorrow. And just back
on your point there. I mean, listen, we all knew
that more legal action was coming, but I was thinking
the legal action would be around the actual legislation to

(35:45):
do with the walker jumping and how that actually physically
worked in terms of an employee or somebody in a
political party, and how that worked. Because we haven't tested
this rule yet. I think everybody was pretty surprised that
the next step on this on Tana's radar was essentially
asking the courts to prevent members from meeting.

Speaker 10 (36:02):
I think that is quite unprecedented.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yeah, now who's paying? I mean, if the Greens are
getting their legal representation for free, who's paying Darleen's bills?

Speaker 16 (36:10):
Well, we haven't been able to get in contact with
Darliyan Tana yet. I have texted her, so Darleene, if
you're listening, please text me back so I.

Speaker 10 (36:16):
Can get some information. But essentially we don't know.

Speaker 16 (36:19):
We would assume that she has access to her the
fund in Parliament to pay for this. I asked her
directly before, when she sent the letter to the Green
Party fighting for her case against the Walker jumping bill,
she said that had been paid for using the parliamentary fund.

Speaker 10 (36:34):
You can make the.

Speaker 16 (36:35):
Logical assumption that it's the same thing. I mean, she
could have somebody that's also quite interested in this doing
it pro bono as well. So we just don't know
at this stage. But I say, I don't think it
would be with outside the realms of possibility that it's
us picking up the tab here as tax pays.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
And have they indicated how long they think this is
going to take.

Speaker 16 (36:54):
Well, the decision will be coming out tomorrow afternoon, as
I understand it. It's just for the for a judge
to look at the facts and make a decision. So
we should know around about tan I would say tomorrow.
I'm not sure if it would drag on. But this
isn't going to be the end of this saga. I mean,
if the injunction fails, which you know you're looking at
the balance of probability, it looks like it may. She

(37:15):
still will probably fight in courts. The actual the meat
and bones of the legislation, which hasn't been tested yet,
and so you would expect that it's an interesting legal
argument for anyone to get into.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
No, totally, thank you very much. Jason really appreciated Jason
Will's newstalksb's political editor Heather. Due to CLO the government
is moving towards taking the politics out of infrastructure. It
has announced it will establish a National Infrastructure Agency this
year and this agency will plan our infrastructure projects for
the country for the next thirty years. Chris Bishop is
the Infrastructure Minister Bush Hello, hi, Heather. Who gets to

(37:50):
pitch to these guys what gets built?

Speaker 17 (37:53):
The private sector, local government and communities will be able
to pitch to the Infrastructure Commission to take a really
good hard look what projects we need for the future
and what ones make sense and what ones don't. The
aim is to get a bit of an independent view
about what we should be building in New Zealand and
also what we shouldn't be building, and then put that
list out there publicly, and then that will serve as

(38:14):
a bit of a guide for what politicians might or
might not want a campaign on in future elections.

Speaker 12 (38:19):
This is about planning for the future.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
But are you saying therefore that that central government because
that was not on the list so you guys in
government can't pitch ideas.

Speaker 12 (38:27):
Oh, central government to be part of it as well.

Speaker 11 (38:29):
You know.

Speaker 17 (38:29):
Sorry, The point I was making is that it'll be
available for everybody, central government, local government.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
So will it work like this as well? Will they
be free of political interference? They will get to make
the final say no.

Speaker 17 (38:40):
The Infrastructure Commission is independent, so they will be making
the assessments, and they will be public and they won't
be touched by politicians. They'll be independent assessments by independent
economic experts. Decisions around what we build and what we
don't build, those remain in the hands of local government
and also central government as well, because ultimately we're accountable

(39:01):
for those funding decisions.

Speaker 12 (39:02):
But here's the point.

Speaker 17 (39:04):
You know, politicians might decide to fund the dumb project
and that might not be on the infrastructure priority list,
and then the politicians will have to explain to the
public why they're funding something that isn't a priority as
identified by independent experts.

Speaker 12 (39:19):
But also the flip side is true too.

Speaker 17 (39:20):
It will become a selling point to be able to
say to the public, you know what theF structure commissions
that analyze this, they reckon it's a really good project
for the following reasons. We're going to fund it, and
here's why, and here's how we're going to do it.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
The thing about it is, I mean you you you
might have if the list is too long, you may
have the Greens picking stuff at the bottom of the list,
even yourselves picking stuff at the bottom of the list
that aren't aren't you know, high priority? Will it? Will
it be? Will it be ordered? Sort of an order
of priority like this is the most important, this is
the least important.

Speaker 17 (39:47):
There will that will develop over time? Yes, that is
that is certainly my intention of the list over time.
It's early days, you know, we've just just literally started today.

Speaker 12 (39:55):
I've announced it today.

Speaker 17 (39:56):
Will publish the first list or the commission will publish
the first list and eight next year. And certainly if
you look at what Australia does, which is where we've
picked up the idea from both in New South Wales
and also federally, they do have a kind of rank
order for things, and that again developed over time.

Speaker 12 (40:11):
So this is the start of a process to get
us to that point.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Chris, thank you really appreciate your time. That's Chris Boshop.
The infrastrucure in a stand by the way. On this
a chap called Tony Canevan is a transport expert who
works for e Y and Singapore. He is visiting New
Zealand at the moment. He's like ewy's global transport guy.
He's visiting us at the moment, we're going to speak
to him about this very thing, this infrastructure agency. After
six point thirty this evening, fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Five, here the dupless.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Tory's got COVID again, like again. So normally I wouldn't reserve,
I wouldn't talk about someone's health and immunity. But this
is getting a little weird, and I feel like, I
feel like, if you are listening, you know, Tory, can
you make Tory go to the doctor because something's up.
So Tory had COVID at the end of June, the

(40:58):
twenty fourth of June's nine weeks ago, and Torri's got
COVID again. Now this would be by my account, the
fifth time that Tory's had COVID. Hands up. Who's had
COVID five times? Yeah, only Torri's hand up at the moment. Yeah,
that's I think there's a problem here. So I've got
a conspiracy theory on this don't dun't dumn. My conspiracy

(41:19):
theory is that Tory is finding that she's got COVID
when her political life gets a little difficult. Last time
she had COVID was the week before the long Term
District Plan whatever the thing is called the long term
plan that they had to decide, and if you cast
your mind back, there was a massive staush going on
in the council about the airport shares. That's the last

(41:41):
time she had COVID. This week she's got COVID and
guess what, there's another massive stoush in council about whether
they should sell the airport shares. That coupled with the
fact that she also got a bit of a boller king,
didn't she from some of us in the media for
how she was like oil the Prime Minister was punching
down at me at the Local Government Court conference the

(42:02):
other day. So I just feel like there might be
a connection here. If my conspiracy theory is not true,
girl needs to go see a doctor and get some
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Together do for see Ellen.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
And some of the biggest music news this decade. The
rumors are true. Oasis is back together and they're going
on tour. The only problem is that, as it stands
right now, if you want to see them live, you're
going to have to go to the UK or Ireland.
That's going to cost you a tidy summer, isn't it.
Eden Parks CEO Nick Sault is with us.

Speaker 18 (43:39):
Hey, Nick good eating here that thanks your time.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Listen mate, I've got you here because I want to
know what you're hearing in the industry, because I know
you're tapped into what's going on. Is there any chance
this becomes a world tour?

Speaker 18 (43:51):
Heather, As you can imagine, we try anything to Seteal
International out of Stephen Park. We approach to cendra Ardoon
to help us secure Taylor Swift and this instance, I'm
delighted that you're going to join the cause and help
us get a social media campaign going to get Oasis.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I don't think they're going to listen to me. They
don't even listen to each other. Man. Have you got like,
have you got any people you can tap in Manchester
to get their ear.

Speaker 18 (44:15):
We're talking to promoters and managers on a daily basis
around a variety of artists. As you know, at the
moment we're looking to secure our concert consent. Concert consent
go from six to twelve shows, and this is a
great example. We need to have surety for artists and
managers to be able to if they have the demand
and as you can imagine the demands there. They want

(44:36):
to do four shows, they want to do six shows.
We need to be able to accommodate it.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
You are shameless. You've just made a conversation about Oasis
about your resource consent.

Speaker 18 (44:46):
Well, that's thanks for mentioning that, Heather and our applications
closed on the second, and I'd love for all your
listeners to go to edenpass dot co, dot zed and
put in a submission.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
You can't be stopped, hey, Listen, seriously, if they were
to go for a wil tour, do you reckon that
they would stop buy New Zealand? Are we big enough
for a band like Oasis on a reunion?

Speaker 18 (45:06):
I'm be very confident that they'd be looking at New
Zealand And, particularly Eden Park. We're making some modifications to
the park as of next week. We're taking out the
lower West stand and increases our capacity for concerts for
a further five thousand. So our capacity for Travis Scott
in October is greater than Marvel Stadium in Melbourne or Brisbane.
So we're looking to do a number of modifications of

(45:28):
the venue to make us the venue of choice not
only for New Zealand but also for the East Coast
against Australia.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Yeah, good work, Nick, Thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (45:36):
Nick.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
All that Eden Parks a year. I'm going to Travis Scott.
I don't know a single thing about him except he
was married to a Kardashian and he has a song
something something something sicko I don't really know. And some
people died at one of his concerts, so, you know,
God help me. Hither do you think Goldriz Garaman is
maybe doing the pro bono work for Chloeg's Honestly, maybe

(45:57):
why not make this more of a soap opera than
it'll re five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with one new Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
It's coming up twenty five past five. Listen. There is
a chance that I am unreasonably obsessed with this, but
I am very excited about the government announcing that it's
going to make airlines publish their on time performance and
they're going to make them do it every single month.
And the reason that I am obsessively interested in this
is because I am obsessively frustrated with their New Zealand

(46:34):
and how they constantly run late, not occasionally, not occasionally,
constantly constantly late. Now I need to say I love
Air New Zealand. I really do. I love them because
I love their staff. I think their staff are great,
especially you know when you come you come on to
one of those long hall flights you've been overseas and
there's the little Kiwi accent coming at yeah, and they're

(46:54):
just nice and they look after you, make a fuss
of you. It's just a delight to be on their planes.
And I think this is part of the problem. Because
I love Air New Zealand so much, I try very
hard to only fly in New Zealand, which I think
is what a lot of people in this country do
if you've got the money to be able to cheez.
It's not cheap, is it. We've got our air points,
We've got the Corow Club. We just put up with
their tardiness because we love them so much. And I

(47:16):
think that they know that, so they don't try. They
take us for granted because they know it doesn't really
matter how much how late they are, how tardy they are,
We're just going to keep on booking Air New Zealand.
And that's not cool. And that is why I'm very
excited about this, because I want a New Zealand to
be shamed out for how often they are late. Everyone
thinks Jetstar is worse right the few times that I've

(47:37):
flown them, that is not my experience. I mean, sure,
when there's a cancelation, it's diabolical because they don't have
enough planes in the country, so one cancelation dominoes across
the whole network. But when things are going fine, they
are on time. Nazis in my experience in New Zealand,
though often late, sometimes by an hour. What's an hour

(47:57):
to Air New Zealand Now in New Zealand it when
they were exposed earlier this year, by as actually been
more tardy than Jetstar. They were very keen to point
out it was just for one month, but I was like, hey,
you took that very seriously, which says to me they
are going to hate being exposed on the regular if
this is what has happening on the regular, and we
know it is, and I reckon, that may be enough

(48:19):
for them to pull up their socks, which is what
I'm hoping for.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Ever do for see Ellen on that Greek.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Fours with us on the show tomorrow because they're reporting
tomorrow and it's not going to be nice. Did you
know that Darlene Tanner and their husband have not broken up?
Rememberut Darlene Tanner's husband when he was in court, he
was like, oh, yeah, Darlene and I have broken up.
It's not as difficult circumstances. We have dinner occasionally, but
that's it. Well, Darlene was on Q and A at
the weekend. Was it this week in or last weekend?
I can't remember. Anyway, they said they were sitting and

(48:46):
having dinner with their husband when people started messaging them saying, oh,
why have you broken up? And they turned to the
husband and they're like, what have you been saying now
because in their opinion, he just goes around saying things,
doesn't he just ncea next.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
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Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yet another gent Taylor has posted a huge profit its
Meridian energy up four times what it was, more than
four times what it was last year. We'll have a
chat to the CEO, Neil Barklay after six about that.
The huddle standing by hither. My issue with the Independent
Infrastructure Commission is that politics and ideology will just enter
through those who are hired. We only have to look
at the other commissions, like the Human Rights Commission and

(49:44):
even the Reserve Bank. You know what, Jonathan, that's actually
a really good point. Thank you for making it. We
will talk to the huddle about it very shortly. Right now,
it's twenty four away from six. Now it looks like
there is reasonable trouble with NCEEA. This is the first
year that students must pass the corequisites of reading writing
in maths in order to get the NCEEA qualification, but

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as many as fifty four percent have already failed the
Maths exam as more than thirty thousand kids. Kate Gainsford
is the Secondary Principal's Council Chair and the principal at
Altier College High Kate.

Speaker 19 (50:14):
Hello, how are you this afternoon?

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Very well? Thank you mate. Now, Kate, this is not
a trial. If these kids fail, can they actually get nceea?

Speaker 19 (50:23):
That they can because there are repeated opportunities to gain
the literacy and numerous the standards both by the online
through the online external and in twenty four and twenty
five the extra standards that are made available from an
approved list from NZQA in the ministry.

Speaker 20 (50:41):
So it's not yet.

Speaker 19 (50:43):
So there are other opportunities.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
So are you saying basically they have to either sit
the exam again or they have to do something else
to make this up in order to get these credits
that they have failed.

Speaker 19 (50:53):
Well, the idea was behind it that there would be
multiple opportunities for someone to gain these corequids, so that
it's not just a one shot and then you have
to repeat the year kind of experience. So originally my
understanding is the idea was that students could sitch that
external when they were ready. But m zka's provision of

(51:16):
materials doesn't really suit that they haven't got multiple kinds
of assessments ready to have multiple goals at it except
for the two shots during the year. So yes, there
are opportunities to reach it. It's not the same exam.
They have to rebuild the exam so that it's not
a repeat, you know, experience of the same questions.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
But I mean, I mean this is these are staggering numbers.
What is going on here, Kate that these kids and
so many of them are not learning the things they're
expected to have learned and know well.

Speaker 19 (51:47):
I think there's a couple of things. One is that
there's a gap in the policy lag and the practice
lag between setting a standard that just being put into
operation through these online exams, and the clear knowledgement that
the government has wanted to put in a lot of
professional learning well ahead of time, starting at year zero

(52:08):
around literacy and numeracy that they're starting with now. But
what we've got is young people in our schools now
who haven't had that. So there's secondary schools are in
the really difficult position of trying to catch up students
to meet the standard when they haven't had the provision
of all of that.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah, I mean, I don't end your position, but how
bad literatally failed these kids that they don't know this stuff?

Speaker 19 (52:34):
Well, I am a determined optimist in this space, and
that I think schools are bending over backwards to really
make up the ground in secondary schools and the multiple
opportunities have to be part of that. But I do
think there's another kind of issue attached to this. We
have to be really clear when it comes to the
mechanics of the actual assessments that when we are assessing numeracy,

(52:58):
if a student is managing to get all of the
calculations right are either numbers, which to me is what
numeracy is, then there shouldn't be any room for someone
to not get that numeracy standard if they just haven't
been able to put into words i e. Literacy, English
fluency the explanation for their working. I think we've got

(53:20):
to look at that because at the moment, there is
a possible anomaly that we could see where a year
thirteen or student doing level three could possibly gain Level
three NCI statistics and fail a level one numeracy standard.
Now that's just silly. So we've got some more work
to do. I think with NZQA about understanding the tool

(53:42):
that is being used. It's not necessarily at the moment
doing the job that we intended it to do, which
is to really make an a sienson.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
And that's fair enough. I take that. I mean, you
might be good at maths, but you may be really
bad at writing that sentence out in English. But how
much of this can we split it out and say
this proportion of it is the way that we're asking
them to do the exam, and this proportion of it
is that they don't know what they need to know.
Do we know?

Speaker 19 (54:07):
No, we don't, No, we don't. And that's part of
the problem is that and this needs to be you know,
a lot of work still needs to be done with
NZQA around making sure that the tool actually can separate
those two problems out and eliminate the one about numeracy
versus literacy so that we know what we're dealing with.
Because you can see in the steps that the number

(54:28):
four people gaining the numeracy is significantly lower than the literacy. Well,
if that's because you're assessing literacy and numeracy, then you've
kind of missing the mark of it in the use
of the assessment tool. So you're blurring what this information
can tell you.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yeah, Kate, listen, thank you for talking us so I
really appreciate it. Kate Gains for Secondary Principles Council Chair,
also Altier College Principle.

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Speaker 3 (54:56):
This evening is Bridget Morton and Rob Campbell. Hellore you too, Bridget.
Are you worried about these kids? I'm worried about these kids.

Speaker 20 (55:04):
Yeah, absolutely, particularly I think you look at the school year.
We're in August almost September. We know that for some
kids have only had another couple of months until they
hit that summer break. We need to keep them in
the school system long enough to make sure that they
do get those qualifications. So we haven't got a way
of reassessing them and making sure they bring up to
that standard. Now I'm really worried that they'll be lost

(55:25):
and without those qualifications forever.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yes, same and Rob what I'm worried about almost as well.
Less so. But it also worries me that educator's response
to this is get rid of the exams because it's
not working. When it seems to me that's not what
you do. You have to teach the kids better.

Speaker 7 (55:41):
Well, yeah, you do have to teach the kids better.
And it's terrible for the youngsters who are affected by
this because they've got COVID as well as changing educational
standards and methods, so it's very very difficult for them
and for their fun. But I don't think we need
to do away with exams completely. But it is a

(56:01):
failure of this particular method of conducting education and exams,
isn't it. And we're making kids where there are consequences
of the failure. That's what concerns me.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Yeah, I would agree with that. Okay, Bridget How does
this business with Darlinge Tana play out?

Speaker 20 (56:16):
Yeah, metally, I think that's the problem. And there's a
really big chance that, you know, regardless of whether or
not she succeeds tomorrow in the interim injunction, whether or
not there is a vote on Saturday, that it will
take a long time until the Greens are racally able
to in vote the walker jumping legislation. This is not
a problem that's going to go well away fast for
the Greens. He's going to be hanging around, I think

(56:37):
for at least another six months on best case of.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Are why do you say six months?

Speaker 20 (56:42):
So basically regarding to the convocations, but essentially tomorrow's just
you know, an interim hearing just to sort of stop
you the vote going hit on Saturday. There's still a
lot of questions, which I assume is probably quite a
lot to do with what this case is about, about
whether or not she's actually distorting for bortanality of parliament.
At the moment, he's not doing so because he every

(57:04):
time she's cast a vote it's been the same as
what the Greens have done. He's done that either personally
or through to Partimori and so she actually hasn't done
that to date. Therefore she can kind of keep up
not you know, doing that. There's a real possibility that
she will not be able to or the Greens work
be able to demonstrate to the Speaker that he has
actually distorted parliament for porsonality is actual.

Speaker 7 (57:28):
Roll through. I know people are who are not Greens
are taking a great kind of delight in all this,
but for example, that that is not true. She has
on occasion not cast a vote. Sorry, they have on
occasion not cast to vote. They have on occasion cast
a vote through to party MARII on one occasion at
least they have cast a vote through the Act Party.
Now that is hardly upholding the principles for which the

(57:51):
Green Party stood.

Speaker 8 (57:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Is the vote being cast rob in line with what
the Greens are voting or is it contrary to what
the Greens are saying?

Speaker 7 (58:04):
I don't even know that to be honest. Yeah, the
way to ensure that is to ensure that the Green
Party could cast their own votes, isn't it said?

Speaker 20 (58:12):
It's not a test in the legislation. And so that's
the question. These issues that Green could go process yea,
and what.

Speaker 7 (58:20):
The legal situation is will be decided by this process,
I guess, and it may take some time. Budgets right
about that. In the meantime, all the Green Party can
do is act according to their rules and according to
their values. So, you know, it's all very irksome for
the Greens, and it's all very sort of fun for
people observing them, but the real issues still go on

(58:41):
to some extent. It's a sideshow. It's a sideshow the
Creams can't avoid. But it is a sideshow and it
just shows that under the current system. You can be
a pest if you want to.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Well said, We'll take a break, come back shortly caught
to to.

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Speaker 3 (59:00):
Heather Darlene is like ray Gun, I just can't look away.
I think we all feel much the same as twelve
away from Sex and you back of the Hudle, Rob Campbell,
Bridget Morton, Rob on this infrastructure agency that's just been announced.
Am I right in thinking you are not quite into
depoliticizing infrastructure as an idea?

Speaker 1 (59:16):
No?

Speaker 7 (59:17):
I mean it's sort of a nice thing to have that,
it's a pipe dream, and it's probably a nest pipe
at that. In this situation, most of the most of
the big issues that people are talking about depoliticizing, like infrastructure,
like healthlike energy, are amongst the most political issues we have.
Where are things going to be built, what sort of

(59:37):
things are going to be built, who will benefit from them,
who will contribute to them? Those are the most intensely
political decisions you can have, And this idea that you
can somehow just to distract them and have everyone happily
go off into the future it's just a pipe dream.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yeah, but would you agree with that.

Speaker 20 (59:53):
I do think there is a little bit of optimism
needed for this process. I think the floor I see
is I don't see how this thirty year plan is
necessarily commit connected to the funding for it. And we
saw an example coming out of the last government of
what happened the schools. As the Ministry Education had committed
to a whole lot of rebuilds and new schools. New

(01:00:14):
government came in, re looked at whether or not they
could actually afford them within the influence that they had available,
and it was put on hold something like one hundred projects.
I don't see necessarily how this process fits or fixes
that budgets element, because ultimately that's up to the government's
of data determines.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Is it not possible, Rob, because I agree with you
that it's really hard to get people to agree on
these things given that they are so that, I mean,
people feel very strongly about them. But what if you
had a group of experts like the Infrastructure Agency who say,
these are the things that we agree are important for
the country. You can pick from this list anything from
this list.

Speaker 7 (01:00:49):
What if you had a group of experts like the
Climate Change Commission and they told you what you should do?
Would everyone go along with that? There's not much evidence
of that at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yeah, hither is well because basically, are you arguing this.

Speaker 7 (01:01:01):
Some people experts impossible?

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Impossible to de politicize the experts?

Speaker 7 (01:01:07):
Well it is, Yeah, we all know that. So these
people that are talking about it, I don't know. You know,
they think they can get away at a moment in
history with imposing a particular view and getting other people
to sign up to it and get committed to it.
You know that's not going to happen. I can tell you.
For example, there's been this sort of consensus between the
legacy political parties for a while about death and thirty

(01:01:30):
percent of GDP. They keep moving around what it's thirty
percent of and quite how you calculate it, But there's
been that consensus. I'll guarantee that doesn't last anything like
thirty years. It'll be gone in the next few years.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Yeah, I think you might be well be right now,
bridget do you think that in New Zealand will start
flying on time if they are forced to report their
timeliness every single month?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I mean, one of the.

Speaker 20 (01:01:53):
Biggest issues we've got is we don't have a lot
of choices consumers about which, you know, flights we take
or which airlines we take. I mean, hopefully it does
a little bit of embarrassing them so that they're more aware,
but I think for the most part they're going to
have to change some big internal mechanics to actually say
whether or not we're going to run on time. And
does that mean five minutes late or does it mean

(01:02:13):
two hours late?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 7 (01:02:16):
What a lovely diversion. The issue is whether you should
be flying in terms of the climate crisis, not whether
that really is a problem. When was the last time
I flew a few weeks ago. I fly a lot
less than I used to, and the reason for that
is I do, I do have a concern about the

(01:02:36):
kind of impact of flying. And that's really the issue
for airline travel in New Zealand is not whether you're
five minutes late or five minutes early for your cocktail party. Frankly,
it's just a diversion. I don't really care about the door.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Are you actually that guy who go Are you that
guy when people bring something up you go out with
the climate? Are you that guy? A real party then
was that.

Speaker 7 (01:02:59):
Guy under then? But for that might be the reason
why don't get invited to parties. But it doesn't dominate
my life as much as it probably should.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
I think we should never.

Speaker 7 (01:03:10):
People keep carrying on about trivia, about whether you can
have two drinks or whether the plane's five minutes late
or whatever it is these things that are going in
the news media at the moment. They really are not
important dishes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Bridget, please save me from Rob.

Speaker 20 (01:03:26):
Look, I do agree with them and the part that
it's not really that big of issue, and it does
question lightly. I'm like, why is the government getting involved
in something?

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Bridget does be serious? New Zealand is sometimes an hour
late and people miss their meetings. That's serious for a business.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 20 (01:03:42):
Absolutely? And I mean I've been in that myself. I
mean I caught an ne New Generald flight yesterday and
it was late, so run late to get to a function.
So I think absolutely there has that fact. But I
do agree. I have to say it's not from the
climate change front view, but I do agree with Rob
that some really big challenges and frankly, if I'm a
bit late to a function, that is not the biggest

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problems going on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
I am tutting. I'm tutting at the pair of you
right now because it has occurred to me that maybe
I am more obsessed than anybody else. I really appreciate it, guys,
Thank you for coming on. Rob sought out your attitude
for next time. Bridget Walton, Rob Gamble coming up seven
away from six on.

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Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
If Rob suggests we stop flying when we are at
the ars end of the world, that I'm definitely leaving
with my family overseas here. The Rob is a typical
climate change campaign and now that he has spent his
life flying around the world, he wants the rest of
us all to consider the impact of flying on the
climate and just stay home. Such a hypocrite a.

Speaker 8 (01:04:48):
He?

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
You know, he would really be a bummer at a
cocktail party, wouldn't he, Because you'd be like, oh jeez,
I'm I had this awful experience today where you know,
the car broke down, blah blah, blah blah, bah blah,
and then he'd be like, why are you driving the climate?

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Or oh, I'm really dying for a steak. He'd be like,
oh the climate, and you'd be like, oh, my house,
I need to go home and put the heater on
or I'm going to be cold to like, mah, the
climate geez. Honestly, nothing like is the climate the new vegan?
Because it's not fun, Like you need to really think
that anyway. Johannas has text me, I know, for the
second day in a row, Jihannas, I saw your text yesterday.

(01:05:21):
I did because of your name. It's unusual Heather update
on oysters just to demand like that I have got
an update on the oysters for you. Actually, now I
don't know for sure that this is my oyster, but
I think it might be a whole bunch of oysters
are being recalled because they may contain norovirus? Was it noroviruses?

(01:05:42):
I can't even remember how to say this word anymore. Anyway, Now,
if you didn't catch up on this, as telling you
last week that a couple of my friends we went
out for dinner in Wellington, had some oysters and I
didn't have any oysters, but the girls did, didn't they
And they were raw and wow, like one of them
has only just started eating yesterday, and the first thing
she ate was was me Donald's. Yeah. I also thought,
very good choice. You haven't eaten anything for a week, really,

(01:06:04):
apart from crackers. It's the first thing that you put
in you is plastic meat well done anyway, whatever, you know,
it's not the first stupid thing she's put in her mouth,
is it? Because she put the oysters in, didn't she
the other day? Anyway? So I don't know for sure
that these are our oysters, but yesterday there was a
news alert that there are a bunch of oysters ten
much to coup oysters being recalled because they may contain nourovirus.

(01:06:26):
I just want to say, don't know that it's connected,
but my friend's gotnurovirus from oysters. So I'm just saying poo.
Tucky Bay Oyster Farm is currently closed as the New
Zealand Food Safety investigated this issue. Now anyway, don't know
that those are my oysters, but the timing is, come on,
you know, like the timing is anyway. The lesson from
this is please because since Subsequently, we've heard from all

(01:06:48):
these people who are like, yeah, I ate oyster the
other day, got really really sick. Okay, call the authorities.
You have to call the authorities because otherwise they don't
know that there are things making people sick. And then
a ninety year old lady's going to eat it and
and you don't want that to happen. Okay, you're welcome.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
It turns out there is plenty of banks which are
going on at the moment. Your Native Training is going
to talk us through the shortly Milford Asset Management on
what to expect from the Air New Zealand profit announcement tomorrow,
and a transport transport expert out of Singapore on how
we can be maybe a little bit more like Singapore
when it comes to transport. Seven past six now, Meridian
Energy has quadrupled its net profit to four hundred and

(01:07:42):
twenty nine million dollars for the year. Earnings we're up
sixteen percent. The company will pay a dividend of twenty
one cents a share company is tempering expectations, though, saying
the twenty twenty five financial year is looking far more challenging.
Neil Barclay is Meridian's chief executive and with us, Hey, Neil, hi, yeah, good,
thank you. Ah. That's kind awkward, isn't it to be
reporting a big profit increase like this when everybody's just

(01:08:04):
hating on gen Taylor's.

Speaker 15 (01:08:07):
Yeah, well, I think that things understand with our numbers, Well,
we are a renewable energy generator, so our results swing
around a lot with the weather. And the interesting thing
about the growth in this year's number, it's largely because
last year's number was very low at ninety five million,
And actually f Y twenty four is pretty consistent with
what FY twenty two, in FY twenty one, where so

(01:08:29):
it was more we had a bit of a low
number in twenty three than we had massed growth in
twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
So you're not making any more of us than than
you normally. What are you saying?

Speaker 15 (01:08:42):
Well, no, not in that year, but certainly right now
we are. Earnings are down quite a lot. We're investing
a lot in catches and so forth to sort of
ensure that we've got security of supply and I think
I'm going to talk to you about some of those
last week. You know, the ends are still we're paying
them to reduce demand. We're part of that meth and

(01:09:05):
X arrangement. We were actually paying quite a lot of
quite a high price for the gas that we're generating
from them at the moment, and so we're telling analysts
and investors just to be a bit tempered with how
it will turn out this year.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
Why do you think next year is looking so bad?
What's the problem.

Speaker 15 (01:09:22):
It's just that there is not enough the lakes at
a very low level, so we've had to back off hydrogeneration,
and so we're by this is from a Meridian perspective,
we're buying generation.

Speaker 8 (01:09:33):
From other sources.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 15 (01:09:35):
We're part of that meth and XX thing. We'lso paying
to the ends us not to actually produce neil.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Do you foresee that we're going to have a dry
year next year? Again?

Speaker 15 (01:09:47):
No, No, the lakes not a problem. I can't guarantee
that either. I can't pack the weather that far out.
I can pick the weather about seven days out, and
that's about as good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Will tell me this, because you guys obviously, do keep
an eye on what's going on with the hydro dams.
Do you feel completely comfortable about dipping in knowing that
next year will be fine.

Speaker 15 (01:10:08):
We've got enough hedges, and hedges are designed to get
a physical reaction, so that's either dropped demand or bring
on other supply. We've got enough hedges in place right
now to restore these lakes back to average if we
get average inflows.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Okay, so to hang out, yes, totally, but it does
rely on us having average inflows.

Speaker 8 (01:10:30):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
So we are kind of at the mercy of the
weather again, aren't we.

Speaker 15 (01:10:32):
We always have been. Yeah, that's the nature of our
electricity system that hydro based. And we've got relatively small lakes,
but you know, and we're working to try and get
more capacity in those lakes. So that's that contingent storage Neil.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
One of the criticisms, one of the criticisms of the
energy sector at the moment is that you guys aren't
building enough generation. How much generation have you built in
the last year.

Speaker 15 (01:10:57):
Well, I'll tell you, I'll go back fifteen years because.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
I think that that last year doesn't look good.

Speaker 15 (01:11:04):
The last year looks good. We've we've just built a
new wind farmans in Hawk's Bay, Horror Parky. We're in
the middle of building a grid scale battery. We've invested
a billion dollars in the last few years just Meridian.
If you look across effective numbers a lot greater. But
if if you look at the electricity sectory the last
fifteen years, demand hasn't grown a bit. The system is

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exactly the same size as it was fifteen years ago.
But in that time the sector across the board has
invested ten billion dollars in new renewable energy and that's
replaced aging coal and gas light plant. So we've been
investing in a hall.

Speaker 8 (01:11:41):
Of aar rate.

Speaker 15 (01:11:42):
It's just an absolute myth that generators have not been
investing in It's just wrong and it just keeps getting
put out there by cent parties.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
It has generation not dropped off since the Labor Party
of twenty seventeen, the Labor Government of twenty seventeen putting
that one hundred percent renewable target in.

Speaker 15 (01:12:01):
No what, no renewables kept being developed.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
The problem plus sorry I should say plus also the
Onslow decision.

Speaker 15 (01:12:08):
Yeah, the problem there was that not as much investment
went into gas as needed to and so that's that's
fundamentally the problem. I mean, we're always going to have
droughts and wet times and all of that sort of stuff.
It's just part of our system. We used to managing it.
What got what I think what caught us all that
this year was just the rate of decline and gas availability.

(01:12:31):
And so when you saw those high prices a few
weeks back, eight hundred bucks, that was because Faranaki, which
is a diesel based generator, was running that those high prices.
Since then, we've got method next to the table, we
got ends us off. Things are moderating back. They're still
they're still reasonably high, sort of circuit two or three
hundred dollars, but if we can continue to build back

(01:12:53):
these lakes, that will start to moderate as well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Nearly you would all worried about what might happen to
your business based on what's going on in politics at
the moment, and they need to find somebody to scape go.

Speaker 15 (01:13:04):
No, No, I think the system works well. I think
the politicians understand that. But obviously we've got a lot
of work to do to sort of resolve this gas issue.
And that's why we've been talking about the al and
g option. It may be an expensive option, but I
think it'll be a critical bit of infrastructure that will
provide a lot more resilience, not only to the electricity sector,

(01:13:27):
but all those gasues is out there who are currently
being mentioned as well.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Yeah, Hey, Neil, thank you very much. Best of luck
with everything. As Neil Barclay, Meridian's chief executive, Donald Trump
has now reagreed to do the debate. I mean, I
get used to this with Donald Trump, I suppose as
this campaign wears on. But he two days ago he
said because he'd agreed to do the debate with Karmla,
or rather Karmla had agreed to do the debate with him, really,
And then two days ago he said he might skip
the debate because they had disagreed about whether the mic

(01:13:53):
should be muted or not. Now he has said no, no, no,
he's in. He said on Truth Social I have reached
an agreement with the Radical Left Democrats for a debate
with Comrade Karmela Harris. The debate is September tenth in Philadelphia,
and the agreement appears to be that the mics will
be muted, which I'm disappointed by because it takes some
of the fun out of it, doesn't it. I mean,

(01:14:15):
she's just not the fun. Last time was Biden basically
getting all weird. But she's not going to do that,
So it's just going to be a boring old debate.
Fourteen pass six.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic
Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on newstalksb.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Just reminder Milford aset management with us very shortly on
what to expect from me in New Zealand tomorrow when
they report. Right now, it's seventeen past six. Now, if
you've been looking at switching banks, you are not alone.
In fact, the number of people with the mortgage who
have been bank hopping is at a record rate. Gnative
Trainee as The Herald's Wellington Business editor. Hey, you know, hey,
how many people are we talking about?

Speaker 22 (01:14:57):
Well, we don't know the number of people, but we
know that in July the value of mortgages financed by
a new bank climbed to one point seventy five billion dollars.
Now that is the highest amount that the most amount
of money since at least twenty seventeen, when the Reserve
bank started publishing this data. You know, if you slice

(01:15:18):
and dicee the numbers in another way, look at it
proportionately to the amount of mortgage lending done in July.
It was also at a record high since at least
twenty seventeen. So people are shopping around, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Are we talking about just the mortgages, or when they
switch and go to a different bank or a mortgage,
are they taking everything within the checking account, of the
savings account and everything.

Speaker 10 (01:15:38):
Well, that's a.

Speaker 22 (01:15:39):
Really good point, and the data that I've been looking
at doesn't show that. It just looks at the mortgage lending.
So I mean, it's quite an interesting finding at the
moment because you know, there's been so much focus on
competition in the banking sector, with the Commics Commission coming
out saying there isn't enough competition. I think that what
the Commics Commissions saying is obviously still very valid. But

(01:16:01):
the thing is is that there are factors in the
current market that are causing this level of switching. So
you know, it's probably fair to say there could still
be more competition, but currently there are a number of
things happening that are pushing people to bank cop like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
This does this kind of undermine the case for open banking.

Speaker 22 (01:16:21):
Look, I don't think so. I think that all the
Communist Commission's recommendations should still be considered seriously. But I mean,
I'll just talk through some of the factors behind this
bank copying. So obviously, at the moment, people simply don't
want to buy houses. Demand for mortgages is very low

(01:16:42):
because interest rates are high and people are worried about
losing their jobs and the recession and so on. So
banks have been offering quite attractive cash deals for people
who join the bank and take out a mortgage. That
has been causing people to switch. The other thing is
that recently people have been fixing their mortgages at quite

(01:17:03):
short durations because they've been betting on interest rates falling soon.
So if you fix most of your mortgage at a
short duration and it comes up for renewal and your
whole mortgage you know you need to refix.

Speaker 10 (01:17:16):
It's easier at that point to change bank.

Speaker 22 (01:17:18):
Than if you fix some for six months and some
for four years, you know, because you can't shift some
of your mortgage to a bank and keep some of
your mortgage at your old bank. So because of the
way people have been fixing at short durations, it's made
it easier for them to change. And you know, as
I said before, banks are competing because business is down.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
It's good to talk to you man. Thank you so
much for running us through that. It's generative training. The
Herald's Wellington Business editor on the students here that my
year thirteen came home yesterday said his kem teacher said
they're not going to do one of the internals. They
don't have time. This is worth four credits and he
needs it if he wants to get into engineering at
university next year. What the heck is happening? And how
is that teacher not planned the year out properly? It's
just nuts, just nuts, I have.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
Look, I know there are a lot of educators out
there who love the old NCEEA because it represents a
grown up education system in New Zealand. But I really
do not love the NCAA. Seems to me like a
complete shambles just on reporting, because we're back full noise
in reporting season. At the moment, it's quite fun, isn't it?
Tough old year for Woolworth's here in New Zealand. They
have just reported their lowest earnings before tax in a decade.

(01:18:25):
It's down fifty seven percent on last year hit one
hundred and eight million. Bit of a sign of what's
going on in retail and the cost of the workforce.
I suppose sales had increased by only one point three percent,
but wages had gone up by nineteen percent over the
last two years. And the wages are going to go
up again by the looks of things, because Walworths is
negotiating with the union right now about rising pay. They

(01:18:46):
want to take them onto the living wage and that's
going to go up and so on. Walworth has had
a tough time. I mean domestically, they've had a whole
bunch of mistakes that they've been making with Remember the
free points that they gave away and then they withdrew it,
and they had a kafuffle with the union about getting
people to dress up in Disney costumes and stuff. Then
you had the CEO over in Australia just you know,
completely exploding in public. So it's not a fun time

(01:19:06):
to be Woolworth's. I would say six twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
The Business Hour with Heather duplicy Allen and my HR
the HR platform for SME US talksb here.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
They don't forget the multimillion dollar rebranding from Countdown to Woolworth's.
I know that's been a fail, isn't it, because we've
just looked at it and gone. All of Countdown's problems
are now with you on Wilworth's, plus also the problems
you're making at the moment. I don't think that was
money well spent anyway. Six twenty four Jeremyhuton Milford Asset
Managements with US. Now, Hey, Jeremy Evening, Heather So Precinct Properties,

(01:19:40):
we had them reporting today. They've got some exciting building
projects on the go, haven't they.

Speaker 23 (01:19:45):
Yeah, that's right. So Precinct is a large listed real
estate company on the insed X and they've been very
active in some high profile property developments over the past
few years such as Commercial Bay and Number one Queen Street.
And they do have another future pro on the books,
and this is the downtown car park site in Auckland
and it will be no exception to high profile as well.

(01:20:07):
So Precinct relay that they'd had a development agreement sorted
today on that and then also had submitted a resource
content too, So potentially another large prime office building and
another large tower block up in the Auckland skyline.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
Yeah, cool stuff. Hey on that downtown car park site,
have they already got a large tenant lined up?

Speaker 18 (01:20:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 23 (01:20:28):
They did mention that there are in exclusive negotiations for
another major occupier for forty percent of the office space
in that building. And this is there even though it
won't be finished until after twenty thirty, So highlights to
me the continued demand for prime office space from tenants
in Auckland. But the challenge for me from here will

(01:20:49):
be the funding side of this build. Investor demands to
fund office has been pretty weak globally, and this is
due to some of the low office occupancy rates post COVID,
but prime New Zealand office has actually performed pretty strongly.
But the assessment remains a week for officer investors, so
potentially they might not contribute to this one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Jeremy, would it be fair to say the precinct has
seeing better returns from the residential developments then from office.

Speaker 23 (01:21:16):
Yeah, one could say that. I mean, precinct has got
a very solid residential development strategy as well. They've been
targeting mid to high end departments and key locations like Parnell, Auckland,
Domain and Dominion Roads, and they're also venturing into student
accommodation in Central Auckland as well, and today they announced
that they have found a capital partner to help with

(01:21:37):
that project on Queen Street, so one could take that
as a strong endorsement for that strategy. And then just
the final point, the listed real estate companies are in
an interesting space right now. They're it's traditionally one of
the most interest rate sensitive sectors out there and given
the LBNZ it's fairly dubblished pivot recently, some of those

(01:21:59):
head win from interest rates at their face over the
past few years could be turning around into a tailwind.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Now on anyw Zealand, what are you expecting for tomorrow?

Speaker 23 (01:22:09):
Yeah, it's fair to say in New Zeand will report
a fairly challenging result tomorrow for its twenty twenty four
financial year. And to be honest, they've been hit from
all angles recently, the plane engine issues in particular impacting
the number of planes that they can fly, so this
has reduced volume, which is a key metric. And then
there's also been an intense competition, particularly on the North

(01:22:32):
American routes as well. And at the same time, as
we know, flying or traveling is discretionary, and the consumer
demand has fallen away post the post COVID travel booms.
So the outlook twenty twenty five will be interesting. I
suspect it'll be pretty downbeat still with only really the
air what costs for jet fuel having moved in there

(01:22:53):
in the airline's direction over the past few months.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Tell you what Jeremy interesting times really your time? That's
Jeremy Hutton of Milford Asset Management, Heather, how much did
the woolworks rebrand cost? Four hundred million dollars? Probably, well,
that's what they said it was going to be, so
it's probably more than four hundred million dollars. That's a
huge amount of money here that my son isn't a

(01:23:18):
top stream maths class in his year and he failed
the numerously corequisite exam. He is getting excellent in all
his other maths assessments. Okay, Mandy, what does that tell
you about the math's assessments? What does that tell you?
So this is the exam, this is what they've got
to know. And meanwhile, he's getting excellent and everything else.
I just think that I think NCAA is an absolute
bloody joke. Anyway, listen, we're going to talk to the
some transport expert next stand.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
By crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather
dupic Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR,
the HR platform for SME on news talks mb.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Gvin Grays with us out of the UK in about
ten minutes. I don't pick Gavin as an Oasis man,
but look, you know, you could be surprised, you know.
I just feel like he might have come of age
before Oasis, and I also feel like Oasis is bother
boy tendencies would be beneath Gavin. He's a classy man,
do you know what I mean? I'm not, but they're

(01:24:22):
not beneath me at all, but him, I think so. Anyhow,
we'll find out in about ten minutes time where he's
got it, whether he's standing by to get his tickets. Heither.
My son is year ten in b stream in hawk Space.
So he's not the smartest at maths. It's just like okay,
at maths. He thought the exams were easy, and he
passed the exams and he cannot understand how anyone can fail.
It's unbelievable the low results from New Zealand children. Thank you,

(01:24:44):
Tina has, Tina has. Tina has actually addressed something that's
part of the problem with NCEEA, which is subjective, isn't it.
So one assessor we'll have a different opinion versus another
assessor of whether a child is actually achieving or not,
whether they're marit Like, I just think the whole things
are complete shambles and you just need you need to
be you need to have an totally objective view of this.
This is the question. The answer can only be correct

(01:25:06):
in one way the end. No no facthing around going.
I think they made a good effort, None of that stuff.
It's yes or no, and then you get a mark
twenty three away from seven. Now. The government's announced today
an attempt to take the politics out of transport by
setting up an agency that will plan ahead for the
next thirty years. Tony Canavan is ewi's global transport leader.
He's visiting New Zealand from Singapore. Hey Tony, Hi have

(01:25:29):
a so where in New Zealand are you right now?

Speaker 24 (01:25:32):
I'm sitting at the Building Nations conference in Auckland down
by the water all right about eight hundred other people.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Have you had a look at the infrastructure in Auckland.

Speaker 24 (01:25:41):
I only just arrived yesterday, but i have been in
Auckland before, so I've got a broad familiarity with it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Rated out of ten for.

Speaker 24 (01:25:48):
Me, I think it's up there at seven eight. It's
had some growing pains over the years.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
I don't mean tony. I don't mean like the awesomeness
of the city. I mean the the infrastructure. I'd give
it a sort of like I'd be thinking if you're
below five, you'd be about right. Like maybe i'd give
you a five. If you're feeling generous, really stand by
a seven.

Speaker 24 (01:26:10):
Well, I wouldn't be a very good visitor if I
came in and started giving rankings like that. But I
do know that, like a lot of successful cities, it's
had a lot of growth and it's not always easy
to keep up with that growth.

Speaker 8 (01:26:21):
And you do see a bit of that in Auckland.

Speaker 24 (01:26:24):
But there's also a lot of good things about it too,
So I think I'll sell it with my current score.

Speaker 8 (01:26:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Heab Okay, if you could do anything to Auckland to
improve the infrastructure. What would you do.

Speaker 24 (01:26:35):
Well, As I said, I think, you know, keeping up
with growth. Growth is a good thing, you know, it's
a sign of success. But keeping up with growth is difficult,
particularly when it comes to transport, and so having a
comprehensive plan, you know, across all the modes of transport,
so that people, the community, investors, leaders come and go

(01:26:58):
and the next one comes along what the plan is
so that the network can grow with the people. And
I think that that's something that Auckland could benefit from.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
The Government has just announced today a twenty six million
dollar Infrastructure Agency that will work through a thirty year
pipeline of infrastructure projects. Is it a smart idea to
decide in twenty twenty four what we are going to
be building in twenty fifty four.

Speaker 8 (01:27:22):
Yes, I think it is.

Speaker 24 (01:27:23):
It doesn't mean that you're going to absolutely stick to
it religiously, but I think with infrastructure it has such
a long life header now it takes a long time
to build, then it will be around for thirty, forty, fifty,
even one hundred years, that you do need to look
a long way ahead. And yes, you make adjustments as
you go along. So I think it's always a good

(01:27:44):
idea to put a plan in place.

Speaker 8 (01:27:46):
And have that there.

Speaker 24 (01:27:47):
It's sent a signal and it gives people an idea
of the direction you're going. So generally speaking, I think
I think it's the right thing to make sure you're
doing planning properly, particularly where you're a city and country
is growing in the way that Auckland is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Is there a balance to be strong? I mean, at
the moment we have a real political debate. People on
the right and the scene to right really want to
build roads and kind of get that get that freight
going and get people moving in their cars. People on
the left and the center left really want to build
cycle ways. How do you kind of balance that out
when I mean it's you know, I love a good

(01:28:24):
cycle way, but it seems kind of silly to be
building something that's only used by about ten people a day.

Speaker 24 (01:28:30):
Well, I don't think bicycle pars are silly, but I
do think the overall competition, if you're like sometimes between
road and public transport and bicycle pars, that can be
a bit silly in my opinion, because each has a
role to play, and when you look at the different
modes of transport, they're good for different types of journeys,
and the best networks around the world are truly multimodal

(01:28:53):
and look for the best way to balance the investment
across those things, not to try and put all the
eggs into one basket.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
This same game, isn't it. I mean, you've only got
so much money.

Speaker 8 (01:29:04):
Sorry I missed that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
It's a zero some game. You've only got so much money.
So if you're taking money and you're pup popping it
into an expensive cycle where you don't have.

Speaker 24 (01:29:11):
It for roads, yeah, well that's when the plan, that's
the plan is is referred to, is so important because
if you don't have the plan and you haven't thought
about the priorities, and you've got limited funds, as you've said,
then you can make the wrong choice with those funds.
In the end, the most important decision you can make
is to do the right project.

Speaker 8 (01:29:29):
Now each has the role to play.

Speaker 24 (01:29:33):
And you know, doing that kind of planning enables you
to find the right balance and get the people, get
people using the right the right infrastructure for the right
types of journeys.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
So for us with a congestion charge, it feels very
much like it's time has come in the country, and
I think across the political spectrum there is agreement that
we need to do this. But the difficulty we've got
is that if we're going to force people out of
their cars at peak travel, we need to have alternatives,
and they are not necessarily there. Can we actually go
ahead with it if people don't have an alternative public transport.

Speaker 24 (01:30:04):
Well, I think they hit the nail on the head, Heather,
because there are strong arguments for a congesting charge. I
mean there's been cities that have done it. You mentioned Singapore,
you can look at London, Stockholm and they've had such success.
But the things that those countries have had in place,
and you really need to make sure you have in

(01:30:24):
place when you launch into this sort of reform is well,
the first thing is the.

Speaker 8 (01:30:29):
Alternatives that you just mentioned.

Speaker 24 (01:30:32):
I mean, when Singapore upgraded to their electronic road pricing system,
which congested charging, they were building the metro system at
the same time, so they were creating that alternative. You've
also got to make sure you're not hurting low income
groups because in New Zealand and in countries like Australia,
people rely on their cars to get around, so you

(01:30:53):
need to calibrate it carefully so that you're not hurting
the people you really don't want to hurt. And you've
got to have things like city bypassing and stuff like that.
So there's definitely an argument for it, but you have
to be very careful to make sure you've got the
other things in place.

Speaker 8 (01:31:07):
So I think you nail on the head.

Speaker 7 (01:31:09):
Tony.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Thank you very much for talking us, so I really
appreciate your expertise. Tony Canevan, Global transport leader for the
government sector. E y visiting New Zealand from Singapore. Here
that our daughter went to a primary school in the
remy where a meadowbank area des Alten. Her teacher said
she was dumb and borderline special needs. It was unbelievable,
so we sent her to Saint Cuthberts At twenty eight

(01:31:30):
thousand dollars a year in the junior school. She's now
in the top two percent of her age group in
the country. So work that out. Who can explain that? Yeah,
just needed a bit of love and attention and a decent,
decent school. I suppose Gavin Grays with us next. And
whoa ho, ho have we got? Whoa have we got
some breaking news from the one news team about somebody

(01:31:51):
doing like a really surprisingly good story. Well stand by
sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Whether it's macro or just playing economics, it's all on
the Business Hour with Hither Duple c Ellen and my HR,
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Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Kevin Gray, are UK correspondent, is with us right now. Hello, Gevini,
you're standing by to buy your Oasis tickets.

Speaker 25 (01:32:17):
Ah No, I think there's going to be a heck
of a rush on for those at the moment, and
plenty of speculation as to why the brothers are getting
back together. Incidentally, it's rumored it's for cash after a
couple of or at least one quite expensive divorce. The brothers,
incidentally in Oasis, are denying that's the reason behind this tour.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
I picked you as not an Oasis fan, Gevens, basically
because I think you're too classy for their nonsense to
be about run I do.

Speaker 25 (01:32:44):
I do have an album of theirs, but yeah, I
look at I think they're okay, just not my particular
cup of tea.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
I guess here enough. Hey, so Keir Starmer's trying to
turn a bit of a corner on bricks A. What's
he planning to.

Speaker 25 (01:32:55):
Do well, yeah, it's it's got people slightly concerned. Those
that you know voted for Brexit, don't you know aware
of what comes with this Because with any negotiation you
might get something, but you're going to have to give
something as well, and that's what some are concerned about
here in the UK. But the Prime Minister is in
Berlin for talks with the German Chancellor O Schultz and

(01:33:16):
he said, yes, this is all part of a deal
to turn a corner on Brexit. We know they're going
to try and reach an agreement on things like energy, security,
technology and science. They're also going to be looking at
access to each other's markets and trade across the North Sea.
So all of that I suppose that's fine. And the
Labor leader says that he wants to reset relations with

(01:33:38):
Europe after of course, Low's after Boris Johnson. Not any
better under Liz trust and sort of slightly more amicable
under Rishi Sunak. But there's no doubt that Europe, I think,
hopes to change a political party here will mean that
things are a lot friendly, and there's nothing wrong at
all in that friendliness. The question is is here's some

(01:34:00):
willing to give in to certain things in order to
forge that closer relationship with the EU, and after he
is in Germany, will then traveled to France as well
to meet President Emmanuel Macron and see the opening ceremony
for the Paralympics in Paris.

Speaker 3 (01:34:18):
Yes, of course they're tepening tonight. Hey, I'm along with
shocks by how much your fish and ships has gone up?

Speaker 25 (01:34:23):
By yeah, me too. So it is of course the
quintessential British takeaway dish, fish and chips. But according to
a survey, the average price has risen nearly fifty percent
in the last five years. Kebab's incidental you have gone
up forty five percent, pizza thirty percent, but fish and

(01:34:43):
ships has gone up, particularly because of what's been called
a perfect storm in the industry, that being poor potato
harvests for the last couple of years both here and
in Europe, and also as part of the sanctions on Russia,
imports on Ushian seafood have gone up thirty five percent
as part of a tariff in response to the invasion

(01:35:05):
of Ukraine. And so because the fish is more expensive
and the chips are more expensive, fish and chips have
gone up considerably. And added to all of that, of course,
energy bills and these fish and chip pryors on this
big scale over takeaway burn a lot of energy, so
I'm afraid it has become quite an expensive dish. The
average price of a takeaway fish and chips is now

(01:35:28):
twenty two New Zealand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
That's yeah, jeez, it's not cheap, Gevin, thank you very much.
Good luck with them paying for them. There's Devin gray
Are UK correspondent rd oh breaking news out of the
TVNZ in political gallery that may in fact impress you
ten to seven, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
It's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's all on
the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Ellen and my HR,
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Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
All right, it's seven away from seven and this is
the moment in which we may have some breaking news
to share with you. One News political reporter Benedict CONNADT
Collins may have had his first piece that's actually critical
of labor this evening. This is all about a story
that Ginny Anderson was spooking this morning.

Speaker 26 (01:36:12):
Police numbers are down and also foot patrols across New
Zealand are down.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
So what Ginny was doing was she got the number
of foot patrols in December and then she got the
number of foot patrols in June, and she compared them
and she found that it was way higher in December
than it was in June. But Benedict was smelling a rat.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
What happens every December?

Speaker 26 (01:36:33):
What happens every December as we sometimes see.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
A peak, actually is this graph shows we always see
a peak in foot patrols in December.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
Yeah, why would that be? Oh, because it's summer and
we have summer festivals and you've got to have foot
patrols there. And we have a whole bunch of people
cutting certain beaches like the Coramandel and the mount and
beaches up north, and so you've got to have foot
patrols there. So every single December we've got a whole
lot more coppers out there. So Benedict wasn't happy with
Ginny's numbers. Dug up the real numbers.

Speaker 11 (01:37:01):
But if we compare things, if we take a slightly
different period, If we compare June this year with June
last year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
There's a five percent increase.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
If we compare May last year with May this year,
there's a twenty six percent increase in foot patrols in April.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
It's a sixteen percent increase. I mean the number of
foot patrols is going up knocked down, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Though? No, says Jinny.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
It's clear that the number of foot patrols is going up.

Speaker 26 (01:37:26):
I don't agree with your numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Hey, how can you not agree with the numbers? This
is off the police data website. This is the numbers.

Speaker 26 (01:37:34):
Just because we see a spike in crime is not
a sufficient reason to say that there should be fewer
foot patrols. We should all see more consistent foot patrolling
across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
But there's way more foot patrols.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
I don't agree. The sky is not blue. The sky
is not blue. Okay, Jinny, Okay, you're living in Donald
Trump's alternative facts world there, mate, How good was that?

Speaker 12 (01:37:57):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
Then a dick? It's for the interdex because you know
what some what do they say in in in media
surprise and delight? We were surprised and we were delighted. Ans.

Speaker 27 (01:38:09):
Oh, we always try and surprise and delight, and I'm
sure they do over there as well. Here that some
might say by a oasis to play us out tonight. Yes,
we're doing Oasis three nights in a row. Sorry, that's
what the music news is at the moment. Everyone everyone's
into the Oas.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Yeah, and how annoying are these? Listen if you're sending
me the texts like please tell me how much I
need to pay to not go to Oasis? Why you've
got why if you've got to be a negative naniney
like that, what's your problem?

Speaker 27 (01:38:29):
Yeah, that's the thing that's happening on literally the other
side of the world, so you really don't need to
wait on it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
Situation biggest music news this decade thus far.

Speaker 27 (01:38:37):
I mean, the real question is if they take it
into more of a world tour, will this tour be
bigger than the Tailor Swift Sarah's tour text nine two
nine two.

Speaker 8 (01:38:44):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
You know that Darcy's going to now try and talk
about something like I don't know sport and he's just
going to be He's.

Speaker 27 (01:38:50):
Just don't actually don't actually text that. Maybe Marcus will
pick it up.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
We'll see how about this? Okay, Apparently Oasis could make
more in this tour than this is just the U
K tour than they made in the entire nineties. They
reckon that they're going to make eight hundred and fifty
million dollars New Zealand eight hundred and fifty million in sales.
They will each earn more than one hundred million dollars
just from this. They don't know how much the tickets

(01:39:13):
are going to cost, but they'll probably be ten times
what they were back in nineteen ninety five, which is
the last time, oh not the last time they to it,
but when they were their hype really touring, there was
about thirty bucks. Yet back then everybody is worried they're
gonna have a fight. So apparently the contracts will be
water tight so that they will have financial ruin if
they walk away from it. How good is that? That's

(01:39:34):
why people are nasty about Oas. It's just jealous of
all their money.

Speaker 27 (01:39:37):
And I tell you what, if you managed to pay
like whatever, I'd love to see what the ticket costs
the nose, if it was like fifty quid or something
like that, you are never going to.

Speaker 15 (01:39:45):
Pay that again.

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
Never never enjoy the rest of the song. And we're
going to see you tomorrow. Newsfil as they beg

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
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