August 30, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Sports Huddlle, Newstalk ZB rugby commentator Elliot Smith and sports journalist Nicky Styris joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Our America's Cup boats is broken - are we stuffed?
Ellis park All Blacks vs Springboks - are we stuffed?
Is Lydia Ko New Zealand's greatest ever golfer? how many more major wins before she retires, do you think?
Does this latest Crichton thing prove the bunker has utterly failed to reduce poor reffing calls? do the refs just have it in for the Warriors?
Who is going to be New Zealand's Paralympics hero - and in this day and age would the games benefit from getting underway a bit sooner?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's nineteen away from five six.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Friday Sports Title with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The winner of the gold medal and the twenty twenty
four AIG Women's Open Champion is Lydia Coe.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
The crane has dropped the boat basically, in simple terms,
it's at the cradle probably from about twenty feet three
four oh.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Now go away, shoppy, that is I said, I wasn't
going to complain.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
That is probably the worst call of the season.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Team has been incredible off the field for us and
that's an opportunity for him to be tis fishing vichon
we need in the higher sports title. This evening, Elliott
Smith Newstalk z'd be rugby commentator in Joe Berg and
Nicky steyras sports journalist. Hello you too, good a day, Elliot.
What's the time in Joe Berg?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Just gone half past seven in the morning, so bright
new and that before game day, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You've been robbed yet.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Not yet right, So every day I talk it up
on the board and say thank you for that. No, look,
I'm thank you loving it here. I mean, you know
you've got to take the treat the restrictions is as
you know, hither and you know, pretty stick close to
your hotel as much as you can.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Butt scenery. But it's good. What was that where they
put you?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Where's your hotel?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
We're in Santon.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh, everybody goes to Santon, but that's it's like a
fifteen minute trip in Dallas Park, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
You haven't been as yet, So keeping that one for
game day.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, So have you got armored vehicles?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What are you doing? You're not just going to be
honing down in a taxi.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Are you? No, we're still well.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah, I wanted I don't want to give away my
security arrangements none, but yeah, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Don't worry. Don't worry about that's a nikki.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Have you ever been there?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I have. Actually I was there when the Black Cats
played South Africa and the Proteins, and I'm not gonna lie.
I was sort of I was terrifying, yeah, because I
sort of didn't know what I could and couldn't do.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
And I basically was just like I felt like I
was in prison.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I was just stuck in the hotel thinking, oh, I
can't go out, I can't do anything, I'm going.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
To be murdered.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Of course I wasn't murder because I wouldn't be talking
to you today. But I don't know how things have changed.
But yes, I have definitely been there.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But I'm a little bit jealous of Elliott right now.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Ellia's doing a good job.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Actually I almost got carjacked when I was there, so
I might tell that story later on. But anyway, listen,
I want to talk about the America's Cup, Nikki. So
the America's Cup boat got dropped by the crane. Are
we stuffed or is it going to be fine? Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, look it'll be fine. I think the good thing
about it is when these things happen and you've got
time on your side, you know, they've got an amazing
crew of people and they will get that boat tie
Hordle back up and running in time for the October
America's Cup. What it does tell me, though, is it
just shows the vulnerability of these vessels, you know, like
(02:58):
they are so fragile, they're so finally tuned. You are
only allowed one of them, so you don't need to
stuff it up, and you would have to sit there
and say, well, if it does drop you know, if
it does drop off its foils, if it does capsize,
if it's sabotage, whatever, this whole America's Cup can be
turned on its head, you know, very quickly. And it
makes me a little bit nervous about that going forward.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Too, Right, Elliott, how do you drop? How does a
crane drop a boat?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah, you'd think this would be the one thing that
you would make sure would not absolutely happen. Look, accidents
do happen, I guess, but a crane dropping a boat
just seems like one of those ones that you'd be
ultimately protected against if you were teen New Zealands. And
look at this is you know, the right timing is,
as Nickcki said, around this because they're only in the
Louis Vitton series, it doesn't really matter how they race
(03:48):
in these ones at s thee America's Cup officially that
counts in a month or so's time, So timing is everything.
But least just hope the damage isn't too bad. You
think that to the last time around in American Magic,
who had that mass of a hole ripped in the
side of the vessel and basically that was put to
their America's Cup. Dream really so hopefully they get in
there and figure out the damage isn't too bad and
(04:09):
they can get on the water again in a few
days time.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, hopefully. So all right, guys, we have to talk
about the All Blacks chances of Dallas Park.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Will do that next the Friday Sports Huddled with New
Zealand Southeby's international Realty, unparalleled reach and results right.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well with Elliot Smith and Nicky Styris. Elliott, what do
you reckon? How do you rate our chances against the
spring Box?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I think the All Blacks are certainly underdogs for this
match home advantage for the spring Box. They have improved
since last year's World Cup. I think the All Blacks
still finding their feet under the new coaching regime, and
we probably haven't seen the game plan or the breakout
performance apart from maybe that one against Argentina excuse met
Eden Park, that you'd want to see from this All
Blacks team. So it is a daunting trip at the
(04:51):
best of times, and when South Africa is in the
kind of form that they are. They've added plenty of
new things under Russia Rasmus since he's taken back charge
of the team. Proper Tony Brown, the the former All Black,
adding his touch as the attack coach. So they're definitely
only improved South Africa and have built since last year's
Will Kappa wouldn't rule the All Blacks out, but I
certainly think they're going into this game is underdogs and
(05:13):
need to deliver a pretty special performance to get the
win on Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Your time makes it exciting, ain't Nikki?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Look, I think however, you look at this match, it
is mouthwatering Rassie versus Razor. I mean, what more could
you ask? It's a World Cup rematch that we haven't
seen obviously since the World Cup. You know we only
lost by one point to them. We've only you know,
lost one of the last three out of the four.
It's head to hear it's going to be really close,
So you can't You're not going to get a better
lineup than this. What I would say is, I think
(05:42):
the only thing really going in the favor of the
All Blacks is the long list of injuries that perhaps
this spring Box have suffered. Yes, they've got Exbeth back
on the bench, but they do have a big casualty ward.
I think if the All Blacks can nullify the box
more they're going to be in with a good chance.
You know they've got to beat them up front to
mighty Williams, Cody Taylor, Terrello, Max. I've got a big
(06:02):
job on their hands. But you know I've got that
alarm set heither. But you haven't. No, Oh, hell no,
because you've got a toddler.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I don't have a toddler. I'm free this week. I
don't even have anybody home.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I might as well watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
What happened to your whole family? Where have they gone?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
One's gone to Hamilton to meet the boyfriend and the
other one's gone on a golf trip through it.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So how good Cardia your place? Wait for those days
where you just don't have to be up to make
sure that somebody's alive. Do you know what I mean?
Listen this business with the bunker, Aliet. Did you even
get the chance to watch the Warriors? Did they even
play the Warriors over there?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
No, there's no sign of the NRRAL doesn't doesn't seem
to exist here.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What happened to.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
The bunker is a flawed concept.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think, honestly, I've been trying to advocate for the
removal of all TMO and sport. I think that's the
way forward. I think we've gone far too far in
one direction. I think I'd be willing to change it.
I don't think the Warriors get a raw deal from
the referees. I think that, in all honesty, the refereeing
standard in the NRL is just very, very poor, and
so I think that's the problem. It's poor across. If
(07:11):
you watch some of the other games across the weekend,
there are some dreadful calls. So I think removing the
bunker would be the first step. But I don't think
the Warriors get a raw deal from the referees.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
To say, is this.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Even a bunker problem? Nicky, because surely the ref standing
right there watching RTEs stumble around on his feet is
more than capable of seeing something just happened.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Look, I don't normally like to agree with the person
I'm talking with, but I have to agree with Elliott
on this occasion because.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
He's spot on.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
The actual standard of refereeing is not up to it,
and unfortunately the bunker isn't up to it either. If
you're going to use technology, it has to be objective
and they have to get the decision right, and they
are failing in this. You cannot use subjective opinion within
the use of technology, so you cannot use mitigator circumstances.
(08:00):
For instance, you can't sit there and say that Sam
Kaine's infringement was worse than Sir Calisis and use mitigating circumstances.
It must be completely objective.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So when a knock to the head, regardless of how
it happened, is a knock to the head and gets punished.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
If you're going to use technology, use it what it's
there for. It shows you the infringent frame by frame. Okay,
it is not subjective. It shouldn't be subjective, and unfortunately
I think that subjectivity has come into the bunker and
it's not right. Take all that aside, though the NRL
bunker is atrocious.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, I mean, aliet, this is why we like cricket, right,
because you either struck the battle you didn't. You either
struck the pad or you didn't. You got caught or
you didn't. There's no none ofther's fluffing around nonsense that
Nick's talking about.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
No, and I think cricket's the ones but where it
probably has got it as about as close to ride
as you will possibly get it.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah, and cricket.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I mean the hawky thing is that you know it
is not entirely perfect. It's around perceived direction or predicted
direction of the of the ball into the pad, et cetera.
But I think it's one of the sports where it's
closest to being correct. Run out not out, but it's quicker.
You know, Rugby and rugby league have gone in the
search of perfection from the TMO, and there's some sort
of misguided belief that technology makes everything perfect and you'll
(09:13):
get one hundred percent. At the end of the day,
it's just another human sitting in a box. They're just
not at the ground. And so everyone thinks this technology
system of the bunker or the TMO is going to
make things one hundred percent perfect. You're striving perfection. You're
never going to get. It's just another layer of human eyes.
And I think if you strip it back that might
be the answer.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Hey, look after you guys. Thank you both of you
and Elliott. Please take care out there and try to
get home safely. Elliot Smith News talks ab rugby commentator
Enjoby For more
Speaker 2 (09:41):
From Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, Listen live to news talks
he'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
It's nineteen away from five six.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Friday Sports Title with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
The winner of the gold medal and the twenty twenty
four AIG Women's Open Champion is Lydia Coe.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
The crane has dropped the boat basically, in simple terms,
it's at the cradle probably from about twenty feet three
four oh.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Now go away, shoppy, that is I said, I wasn't
going to complain.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
That is probably the worst call of the season.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Team has been incredible off the field for us and
that's an opportunity for him to be tis fishing vichon
we need in the higher sports title. This evening, Elliott
Smith Newstalk z'd be rugby commentator in Joe Berg and
Nicky steyras sports journalist. Hello you too, good a day, Elliot.
What's the time in Joe Berg?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Just gone half past seven in the morning, so bright
new and that before game day, looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You've been robbed yet.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Not yet right, So every day I talk it up
on the board and say thank you for that. No, look,
I'm thank you loving it here. I mean, you know
you've got to take the treat the restrictions is as
you know, hither and you know, pretty stick close to
your hotel as much as you can.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Butt scenery. But it's good. What was that where they
put you?
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Where's your hotel?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
We're in Santon.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh, everybody goes to Santon, but that's it's like a
fifteen minute trip in Dallas Park, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
You haven't been as yet, So keeping that one for
game day.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, So have you got armored vehicles?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What are you doing? You're not just going to be
honing down in a taxi.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Are you? No, we're still well.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah, I wanted I don't want to give away my
security arrangements none, but yeah, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Don't worry. Don't worry about that's a nikki.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Have you ever been there?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I have. Actually I was there when the Black Cats
played South Africa and the Proteins, and I'm not gonna lie.
I was sort of I was terrifying, yeah, because I
sort of didn't know what I could and couldn't do.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
And I basically was just like I felt like I
was in prison.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I was just stuck in the hotel thinking, oh, I
can't go out, I can't do anything, I'm going.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
To be murdered.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Of course I wasn't murder because I wouldn't be talking
to you today. But I don't know how things have changed.
But yes, I have definitely been there.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But I'm a little bit jealous of Elliott right now.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Ellia's doing a good job.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Actually I almost got carjacked when I was there, so
I might tell that story later on. But anyway, listen,
I want to talk about the America's Cup, Nikki. So
the America's Cup boat got dropped by the crane. Are
we stuffed or is it going to be fine? Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
No, look it'll be fine. I think the good thing
about it is when these things happen and you've got
time on your side, you know, they've got an amazing
crew of people and they will get that boat tie
Hordle back up and running in time for the October
America's Cup. What it does tell me, though, is it
just shows the vulnerability of these vessels, you know, like
(02:58):
they are so fragile, they're so finally tuned. You are
only allowed one of them, so you don't need to
stuff it up, and you would have to sit there
and say, well, if it does drop you know, if
it does drop off its foils, if it does capsize,
if it's sabotage, whatever, this whole America's Cup can be
turned on its head, you know, very quickly. And it
makes me a little bit nervous about that going forward.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Too, Right, Elliott, how do you drop? How does a
crane drop a boat?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah, you'd think this would be the one thing that
you would make sure would not absolutely happen. Look, accidents
do happen, I guess, but a crane dropping a boat
just seems like one of those ones that you'd be
ultimately protected against if you were teen New Zealands. And
look at this is you know, the right timing is,
as Nickcki said, around this because they're only in the
Louis Vitton series, it doesn't really matter how they race
(03:48):
in these ones at s thee America's Cup officially that
counts in a month or so's time, So timing is everything.
But least just hope the damage isn't too bad. You
think that to the last time around in American Magic,
who had that mass of a hole ripped in the
side of the vessel and basically that was put to
their America's Cup. Dream really so hopefully they get in
there and figure out the damage isn't too bad and
(04:09):
they can get on the water again in a few
days time.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, hopefully. So all right, guys, we have to talk
about the All Blacks chances of Dallas Park.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Will do that next the Friday Sports Huddled with New
Zealand Southeby's international Realty, unparalleled reach and results right.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well with Elliot Smith and Nicky Styris. Elliott, what do
you reckon? How do you rate our chances against the
spring Box?
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I think the All Blacks are certainly underdogs for this
match home advantage for the spring Box. They have improved
since last year's World Cup. I think the All Blacks
still finding their feet under the new coaching regime, and
we probably haven't seen the game plan or the breakout
performance apart from maybe that one against Argentina excuse met
Eden Park, that you'd want to see from this All
Blacks team. So it is a daunting trip at the
(04:51):
best of times, and when South Africa is in the
kind of form that they are. They've added plenty of
new things under Russia Rasmus since he's taken back charge
of the team. Proper Tony Brown, the the former All Black,
adding his touch as the attack coach. So they're definitely
only improved South Africa and have built since last year's
Will Kappa wouldn't rule the All Blacks out, but I
certainly think they're going into this game is underdogs and
(05:13):
need to deliver a pretty special performance to get the
win on Sunday morning.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Your time makes it exciting, ain't Nikki?
Speaker 5 (05:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Look, I think however, you look at this match, it
is mouthwatering Rassie versus Razor. I mean, what more could
you ask? It's a World Cup rematch that we haven't
seen obviously since the World Cup. You know we only
lost by one point to them. We've only you know,
lost one of the last three out of the four.
It's head to hear it's going to be really close,
So you can't You're not going to get a better
lineup than this. What I would say is, I think
(05:42):
the only thing really going in the favor of the
All Blacks is the long list of injuries that perhaps
this spring Box have suffered. Yes, they've got Exbeth back
on the bench, but they do have a big casualty ward.
I think if the All Blacks can nullify the box
more they're going to be in with a good chance.
You know they've got to beat them up front to
mighty Williams, Cody Taylor, Terrello, Max. I've got a big
(06:02):
job on their hands. But you know I've got that
alarm set heither. But you haven't. No, Oh, hell no,
because you've got a toddler.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I don't have a toddler. I'm free this week. I
don't even have anybody home.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I might as well watch it.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
What happened to your whole family? Where have they gone?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
One's gone to Hamilton to meet the boyfriend and the
other one's gone on a golf trip through it.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So how good Cardia your place? Wait for those days
where you just don't have to be up to make
sure that somebody's alive. Do you know what I mean?
Listen this business with the bunker, Aliet. Did you even
get the chance to watch the Warriors? Did they even
play the Warriors over there?
Speaker 5 (06:40):
No, there's no sign of the NRRAL doesn't doesn't seem
to exist here.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
What happened to.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
The bunker is a flawed concept.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think, honestly, I've been trying to advocate for the
removal of all TMO and sport. I think that's the
way forward. I think we've gone far too far in
one direction. I think I'd be willing to change it.
I don't think the Warriors get a raw deal from
the referees. I think that, in all honesty, the refereeing
standard in the NRL is just very, very poor, and
so I think that's the problem. It's poor across. If
(07:11):
you watch some of the other games across the weekend,
there are some dreadful calls. So I think removing the
bunker would be the first step. But I don't think
the Warriors get a raw deal from the referees.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
To say, is this.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Even a bunker problem? Nicky, because surely the ref standing
right there watching RTEs stumble around on his feet is
more than capable of seeing something just happened.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Look, I don't normally like to agree with the person
I'm talking with, but I have to agree with Elliott
on this occasion because.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
He's spot on.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
The actual standard of refereeing is not up to it,
and unfortunately the bunker isn't up to it either. If
you're going to use technology, it has to be objective
and they have to get the decision right, and they
are failing in this. You cannot use subjective opinion within
the use of technology, so you cannot use mitigator circumstances.
(08:00):
For instance, you can't sit there and say that Sam
Kaine's infringement was worse than Sir Calisis and use mitigating circumstances.
It must be completely objective.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
So when a knock to the head, regardless of how
it happened, is a knock to the head and gets punished.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
If you're going to use technology, use it what it's
there for. It shows you the infringent frame by frame. Okay,
it is not subjective. It shouldn't be subjective, and unfortunately
I think that subjectivity has come into the bunker and
it's not right. Take all that aside, though the NRL
bunker is atrocious.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, I mean, aliet, this is why we like cricket, right,
because you either struck the battle you didn't. You either
struck the pad or you didn't. You got caught or
you didn't. There's no none ofther's fluffing around nonsense that
Nick's talking about.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
No, and I think cricket's the ones but where it
probably has got it as about as close to ride
as you will possibly get it.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah, and cricket.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I mean the hawky thing is that you know it
is not entirely perfect. It's around perceived direction or predicted
direction of the of the ball into the pad, et cetera.
But I think it's one of the sports where it's
closest to being correct. Run out not out, but it's quicker.
You know, Rugby and rugby league have gone in the
search of perfection from the TMO, and there's some sort
of misguided belief that technology makes everything perfect and you'll
(09:13):
get one hundred percent. At the end of the day,
it's just another human sitting in a box. They're just
not at the ground. And so everyone thinks this technology
system of the bunker or the TMO is going to
make things one hundred percent perfect. You're striving perfection. You're
never going to get. It's just another layer of human eyes.
And I think if you strip it back that might
be the answer.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Hey, look after you guys. Thank you both of you
and Elliott. Please take care out there and try to
get home safely. Elliot Smith News talks ab rugby commentator
Enjoby For more
Speaker 2 (09:41):
From Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, Listen live to news talks
he'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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