Full Show Podcast: 6 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's hither duple c Ellen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected us talks'd.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Be afternoon coming up on the show Today, Police, it
turns out having to use force more often, probably not
a surprise, but we're going to speak to the Police
Association Boss Chris Carr Hill about why that is. The
Act Party is going to explain what they're going to
do about the Hawk's Bay health situation given the other
ones complaining, and hey, they are in government now they've

(00:31):
got the power. And Women's Refuge is investigating staff members
for apparently using funds on hairdresses and teeth appointments. Will
get you across that, Heather Duplic, No, I'm actually relaxed.
I thought about this today. I'm actually relaxed about what
happens this weekend in the test against the spring Box.
I mean obviously goes without saying. I'd much prefer that
the All Blacks did win the game, Like I prefer

(00:51):
the All Blacks to win every single game. But if
they don't win the game this weekend, I actually don't care.
And I know this, you know, Jason Pine for will
not be pleased with this, and I hear what the
diehards say. It's the All Blacks. We've got to hold
them to a winning standard. We've got to have better expectations,
and we do most of the time, but we have
also got to be realistic about what's going on. Raiser

(01:14):
has only just started coaching this squad. We cannot seriously
expect that the man's gonna work miracles in a matter
of weeks. He's not Jesus. The loss last weekend was
not that bad. I mean, the All Blacks were up
against let's be honest about this, the best squad in
the world currently. We are not the best squad in

(01:34):
the world currently, the spring Box A and we only
lost to them by four points. They've got so much
depth they can basically feel two completely separate teams. And
I repeat, we only lost to them by four points.
It's not that horrendous. I know they are going to
be people right now who are listening to this drawing
comparisons to the easy ride. I'm drawing comparisons between the
easy ride I'm giving to Razor as opposed to the

(01:57):
hard ride I gave to Fozzy. But you've got to
remember the context. Fozzy only started getting a hard time
when he lost to Ireland here at home twice South
Africa by a sixteen point margin, and then the Argi's
here at home again, right. He lost some matches that
should not have been lost, and some by a margin
that should not have been the margin right, And by

(02:18):
then it was the tail end of twenty twenty two.
That was his third season in the job, not the
third month like it is with Raser third year. If
Razor is losing matches like that in year three, I
might be calling for his head too. But the guy
has only just started and he is having to rebuild
a team that was under Fozzy for three years. If

(02:40):
you get mard rift, So yeah, absolutely, I would love
them to win this weekend. That would be the best
outcome on Sunday. But if they don't, who cares? Onwards
and upwards? Heather do for nine nine two is the
text under standard text fees are playing, You're welcome to
way and yes, I am expecting a text from Jason
Pine at some stage now Hagley College and christ Church
listen to this slag and to let students work from

(03:01):
home two days a week. This is just a trial
At the moment, it's only going to be limited to
twenty NCEEA pupils and it's aimed at students who have
mental or physical health difficulties or who have extracurricular activities
that clash with school. Derek Wenmouth is a New Zealand
education specialist who actually helped Tagley College design the trial.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Hey Derek, hey there, how are you very well?

Speaker 3 (03:22):
Thank you? What kind of difficulty are we talking about
here that are keeping the kids out of school?

Speaker 5 (03:27):
As I understand it, it's largely students who have some
level of anxiety about getting to school, or have some
level of mental health issues or physical reasons at attending
school every day of the week just isn't really ideal
for them.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Anxieties. Is that quite a big problem.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
It's an increasing problem as I understand in schools, and
New Zealand has been a little behind on the uptake.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
A number of.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Other countries, especially the UK where I was involved in
a number of years ago. Now they've had programs specifically
targeting students like this for a while. In New Zealand,
the corresponds or to Kura tends to pick up a
lot of these students. At the moment, Okay.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
How do we know that? I mean, the thing is,
when you're that age, it's really hard to keep yourself
disciplined and on track and doing your work. So how
do we know that they're not just going to drift
off and get distracted.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Well, that's a good question. It's the same question you
could ask inside a classroom. It's one of those things
that really comes down to really good instructional design in
processes that that students find engaging, focusing on things that
are perhaps personalized to that learner's interests and choices. It
won't make all of that go away, but it's definitely

(04:48):
what you have.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
To work on.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I mean, Derek, at least in a classroom the
teacher would be walking up and down and would say
put your phone away or whatever. If you're at home,
you can be hitting the xbox, hitting the computer, listening
to music. There's a thousand different things you could do
and nobody's there drilling you.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
That's true, But i'd put it to you that's happening
in classrooms up and down the country right now.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
Is it?

Speaker 8 (05:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
What kids just playing on their phones?

Speaker 5 (05:13):
Yeah, it's absolutely We've got The big issue here is
around instructural design. I don't think it's an epidemic problem,
I have to say, But certainly you know over the
schools quite regularly, and you know there wouldn't perhaps be
a visit. Well, I don't see that happening to some
degree or another. So simply having what I'm trying to say,
simply having a teacher in a classroom doesn't actually change things.

(05:36):
It comes down to the same educational principles of being
really explicit in your instructional design and having programs that
are highly engaging and motivating for these students.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
How will given that it's trial, how will you know
if it's worked.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Oh, I'm not one hundred percent sure on what their
measures are putting place. We didn't talk earlier about having
a whole range of measures in place that they'll be
monitoring right through the trial and at the end involving
as I understand it, you know, the observable things in
terms of participation and time online, all these sorts of things,

(06:13):
interviews with parents, with students and so forth. So I'd
look forward to seeing what comes out of it there.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Derek. Look, I might be a little old school, and
you can tell me if I am. But What worries
me here is that we're not preparing kids for the
real world. And in the real world, you've got to
go to work five days a week. I mean, there
are maybe some nice white collar jobs where you get
to skibe off if you're working for the public service
or something, and stay at home Mondays and Fridays. But
for the vast majority of us, every single day, with

(06:40):
or without your anxiety, with all without all of the
things you want to do, you've got to just put
your clothes on and go to work. So are we
not sort of setting them up to fail?

Speaker 5 (06:51):
I think that's an interesting perspective. I'm not sure I
would see it the same way.

Speaker 7 (06:57):
You're right, there's a.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Whole lot of things about the real world. The real
world that you do an iperas prepared ourselves for at
school as an entirely different world now, and it's part
of the challenge that we have in education is to
be looking and monitoring all the time at where those
changes are. I mean, the organizations that are moving into

(07:19):
higher I'm not sure it's true toglise them as you have.
There are now quite a change of occupations that allow
people to work more flexibly and in their own way,
just as there are others that say, well you actually
can't do the job at all unless you are on site.
So I think part of the challenge we've got in

(07:39):
part of what Hegley's doing is endeavoring to respond to
that is saying, so, what are the options we need
to be exploring here that may actually challenge some of
the traditional paradigmatic things we have.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Derek, listen, thank you, I really appreciate you talking us through.
That's Derek Wenmouth, New Zealand education specialist. Heather Phones abannedoned school,
so I call BS on that. Steve, Steve, that's a
good point. Thank you, thank you for making that point. Actually,
Darcy water Grave is standing by to talk to us
about sport and the spring books and all that stuff.
Got to tell you really quickly, luxury brand Berbery is
dropping out of the foot Sea one hundred. The foot

(08:10):
Sea one hundred is the one hundred most valuable companies
listed on the London Stock Exchange. The reason is that
the fashion house has now valued it and this is
in US dollars two point nine to three billion, that
is fifty six percent less than it was worth at
the end of last year. Share price is slid on
the back of what one analyst is called a losing

(08:31):
streak with sales and profits. So tough times out there.
Sixteen past four.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
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Speaker 3 (08:49):
So Darcy, what are you thinking? Oh, this is Darcy
Watergrave by the way hot into us.

Speaker 9 (08:55):
Yeah, well, because Jason pine is normally in the seat
that Piney's having a well deserve break and I will
be doing a.

Speaker 10 (09:01):
Show tomorrow weekend Sport twelve test said, this Sunday is.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Going to be highly energetic. What do you think of
the All Blacks losing this weekend? Are you stressed out
about it? He relaxed about it.

Speaker 9 (09:12):
I think earlier in the day, like when I was
a much younger man and I used to go on
incredible sulks when my Canterbury team used to keep beating.
This is before the Crusaders. Yeah, I was inconsolable when
the All Blacks lost. It was just the end of
the world. As I've grown as I've matured. I'm like,
you know what, why are you so getting stressed out
about something that you have absolutely no control over whatsoever.

(09:33):
So that dawn on probably fifteen years ago, and so
I'm getting more and more relaxed about it. And to
be perfectly blunt, if the All Blacks lose, I have
a great week's talk back. Oh oh my god, it's
that self serving or what It's true because people don't
react to wins as well as they react to loss.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
And I ask you this question, then, are you going
to be dark on Razor and think he's a dud
and we should never have appointed him if they lose
this weekend? Or are you going to accept this as
the guy has only just started.

Speaker 9 (09:58):
The guy's only just start. It's how they lose that
I'm more interested, and not the actual result, but how
they got to that result. And I think that that
smudge last week of that last fifteen minutes. And I'll
use this term again and people have told me on
text to stop using it, but this is an embarrassed
All Blacks team. All Blacks teams don't fold in the
last fifteen minutes like they folded, So the coaching staff

(10:21):
be embarrassed. The players will be embarrassed the captain and
they were going, it's not us. They don't mind in
the East, they mind getting beaten. But if it's an
arm wrestle and you get beaten by a point, so
beet not. But if you're winning by ten and suddenly
you forget how to play rugby in the last ten minutes,
you guys are fully paid professionals.

Speaker 10 (10:40):
What are you doing?

Speaker 9 (10:41):
So I'm looking at the method. I'm looking at how
the game plays out when or lose. What are we
gained from that?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, okay, I'm with you on that two balanced No, no, no,
no no. I think I think you've got to be
reasonable about it. And I think that that's perfect. Hey,
so is Ralandi saying you had a bit of trouble
on the street.

Speaker 9 (10:55):
This is religiles and yet so you know he drives
a McLaren, you know, great big exce car. I think
this one was black because he used to have a
papale one, you know, the MacLaren orange. That's when he
first got loaded as a superstar. And now it's black.
So I'm like, well, if you got a second one
or did you just give it a paint job.

Speaker 10 (11:15):
Anyway.

Speaker 9 (11:15):
Anyway, So he's parking in a street. This is all
on social media and some guy steps him out and
starts giving him grief and I know what's in the afternoon.

Speaker 10 (11:24):
He's been getting a pie. The pie shot around.

Speaker 9 (11:26):
The corner and racial slurs. According to Israel set them out.

Speaker 10 (11:31):
Wanted to fight him, So it's what's this kind of
mental you want to fight Israels and what are you mad? Anyway?

Speaker 9 (11:36):
So there's the video of it of him standing there
talking to this guy saying, yeah, whatever, mate, whatever, go
and get back in your rubbish car, you know, because
of course he wants to do the comparisons because he's
got such a flash car. But he didn't bite, and
good on him, because what does he standing.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
What's the police complaint he's talking about.

Speaker 9 (11:55):
Maybe he might complain around I don't know, is it
gone through. You got to be stuck in his chair.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I'm not really sure. What can you complain about if
the guy punches, you've got an assault complaining harassment?

Speaker 10 (12:04):
I don't know. Butlers don't do that. We don't harass
our stuff.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
That's unlike it.

Speaker 10 (12:09):
I mean, do you get harassed in the street hither
to pless yell no.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
But you're making the mistake of thinking I'm a star.

Speaker 9 (12:14):
Okay, fine, all right, now, so this is so I
get why he walked away.

Speaker 10 (12:18):
Good on My biggest issue around this. He's parked on
yellow lines again Israel.

Speaker 9 (12:26):
Half the car, half of it's in the half of
sticking out over the front now and I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 (12:31):
I don't care who you are, rus of the land.
Learn how to park.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
We will park the same.

Speaker 10 (12:35):
It's my fall letter word.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Your mustache has now reached. You've now reached creepy stage
because every day you come in here you shave more
of it. You've reached Luigi, it's shrinking. Yeah, I would
not say Clark Gable. Yeah, like Clark gave freedom from Godfather.
I would not leave any young people or women alone

(12:57):
with you right now, just for them feeling creeped out
by little face here. You got to take that off.

Speaker 10 (13:02):
Thanks, I'll go tonight.

Speaker 9 (13:04):
Yeah, I'll shrink it to good And if mars out
there are still stalking, now stick it on Instagram, Darcy
on sport.

Speaker 10 (13:09):
You can take it because it really is horrible.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
You know, it's really creepy. Yeah, it's quite. That's quite.
When you all you need to do is diet? Oh alright,
have I died?

Speaker 10 (13:21):
Orange?

Speaker 11 (13:21):
Oh Man?

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Darcy, thank you appreciate it. Looking forward to the show
this Weekendeking.

Speaker 9 (13:26):
Tonight, Craig coming is taking over the rains at Sports.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Talk Good Stuff. Darcy will be back tomorrow and Sunday
four twenty three.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
New stalksa'd be okay.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
So I thought maybe I was on my own about
this thing about the kids having to go to school
five days a week. But no, I'm not, geez Heather,
no wonder our kids are all dumb. That's from Andy here,
the unbelievable classic example of why the education systems in trouble.
Aren't we trying to get our kids to stay at school?
Hither Derek needs to get in the real world. You
turn up five days a week, no exceptions, A kind
of I feel like that's not a bad lesson for kids.

(14:02):
A Yet, sometimes you're gonna have anxiety, You're gonna be tired,
the kid's going to have got you up in the
middle of the night thousand times and wanted to play
games and all kinds of stuff. You still got to
go to work the next day. You don't get to
call in sick who's having a bit of anxiety about that.
Any Way, maybe Hagley, I don't know, Hagley can see
how this goes for them. For twenty six now Women's

(14:22):
Refuge has got some questions to answer. It turns out
three senior staff at the Portadoa Women's Refuge have been
suspenders and they've had to call in a forensic accountant
because they're trying to figure out what's been going on
with the money. One of the women used Women's Refuge
money on hairdresses, like hundreds of dollars on the hairdressers

(14:43):
also claimed about eight hundred bucks for Jet Star return
flights to the Gold Coast and back to Wellington. The
other one spent more than seven hundred dollars at two
different dentists, and the third one spent two two hundred
dollars at a dentist and then also thirteen hundred bucks
at the cosmeticlinic and I bet she looked amazing after that.
They also apparently spent about two hundred and thirty bucks

(15:05):
on a pillow two hundred and ten bucks on a
pair of sneakers, one hundred and fifty bucks on a handbag,
in ninety bucks on a line dancing school of all things. Now,
they claim the money was from a well being fund
for staff and that they were allowed to spend the money,
but the board of trustees says apparently reportedly reportedly didn't
know about the fund, hadn't approved the expenditure. The women

(15:26):
are pretty adamant they did nothing wrong. There are also
questions about an attempt to transfer of about four hundred
thousand dollars of the refugees money to an associated entity
of which these three are trustees, which when the Women's
refuge national team became aware of it, they immediately put
a stop on that transfer. Not going to be good
for the donations to the Women's refuge We're going to

(15:47):
talk to Sue Barker, charity's lawyer about this. At about
quarter past five, Headline Sneaks.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
The Day's Newsmakers talked to Heather First, Heather Duplessy Allen
Drive New Zealand, Let's get connected and you talk zib Bean.

Speaker 12 (16:19):
Hither.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I've heard this before re Women's refuge. I used to
always support them, but I haven't done it for years,
and that's from Sandy. I suspect that that's going to
be a thing that goes are people are looking for
reasons right now not to give to charities a because
money's tight, and so any money that you hand over
you really want to be sure that these guys are doing.
Look look at the reaction that Saint John's got when
they changed their name to the Hornets and John and

(16:40):
started painting all the ambos and you know, different kind
of like, I don't know, cool designs and stuff. Money
dried up, clearly, donationstop coming in. So I just don't
feel very confident for women's refuge on this one anyway.
You know, on that school shooting in Georgia, the cops
over there have detained the kid they think did the shooting,
but also the father, which is a thing that the
starting to do over there. Our US correspondent Mitch mccannon

(17:02):
is going to be us very shortly on that, and
then we're going to have a chat to Barry Soper
about politics in about ten minutes time. It's twenty three
away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
It's the world wires on news talks.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
They'd be drive so the father of a suspected school
shooter and Georgia has been arrested and charged. Here's the
director of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
These charges stem from mister Gray knowingly allowing his sign
cold to possess a weapon.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Australia's National Cabinet has agreed to pump seven hundred million
dollars into preventing domestic violence. The money is going to
be used to help people escape violence and to provide
legal lid as well. And here's the Prime Minist Albo.

Speaker 13 (17:38):
We must act to ensure women are safe. Achieving this
demand's action and change at every level of government. But
more than that, it also requires action from every part
of our society.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
And finally, some people in the city of Harbin and
China have proven they're a lot more honest than frankly
I would be. When the lock broke on a truck
carrying a whole heap of cash to the bank late
at night, with the banknotes or the banknotes all spilled
out onto the road and a few locals who were
nearby rushed in to grab the money, and then they
helped pack it back inside the truck and according to reports,

(18:11):
not a cent went missing.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Mitch McCann us correspondent Homich.

Speaker 11 (18:22):
Hey, Heather, how are you.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I'm very well, thank you. So the fourteen year old
suspect has been put in custody and his father.

Speaker 11 (18:29):
Yeah, this is a dramatic development tonight. That fourteen year
old Colin Gray was arrested yesterday for the shooting at
at Georgia High School where two teachers and two students
were killed. But today they have arrested his fifty four
year old father, Colin Gray, who bliss was directly connected
with the actions of his son and allowed him to
possess a weapon. He has been charged with four counts

(18:51):
of involuntary manslaughter and eight counts of cruelty to children.
So his fourteen year old son, who is accused of
doing this is in custody. He's likely to be trying
as an adult. Now his father has also been charged.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
So okay, So a year ago, the coppers already knew
that this kid was potentially making threats, right, and they'd
gone to investigate it in what they hadn't found any evidence?

Speaker 11 (19:13):
Well, yes, that's right. It turns out that last year
there were allegations from people online on the social media
platform Discord that a teenager in Georgia was making claims
about shooting up a high school or something of that nature.
When they investigated, they interviewed this young man and his parents.
He denied making any allegations of that sort, and they say,

(19:34):
now there wasn't enough evidence to continue with this case.
Now you can imagine this is going to be looked
at extremely closely given what's happened. But they did look
into this young man last year and found there was
no reason to proceed.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
But the allegation then, Mitch, was that there were hunting
rifles in the father's position that the kid had access to.
But what he's used, if he is the one who's
carried out the shooting at the school, is not a
hunting right, is it.

Speaker 11 (20:01):
That's right, But it remains to be seen that there
were more weapons in the house as well. Police have
actually been in the house in the last couple of
days and they say that he was obsessed with mass
shootings and things of that nature. They did a search
of his room and they say he appeared to be
particularly obsessed with the twenty eighteen massacre at Marjorie Stone
and Douglas High School that will remember in Florida, where

(20:24):
seventeen people died. So it turns out that they've investigated
this person last year, and now they found out that
he was actually obsessed with mass shootings before he carried
out one yesterday in Georgia.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
So, Mitch, is it? I mean, I imagine at some stage
the heat's going to go on the cops for having
potentially had the opportunity to stop this and failing to
do so.

Speaker 11 (20:43):
I would imagine that's exactly going to be the case.
I mean, there's a real, a deep look at some
of these mass shootings at the United States at the moment.

Speaker 13 (20:50):
You remember the.

Speaker 11 (20:51):
Avoldi, Texas shooting where one of the police officers in
charge there has been charged for not doing enough on
the day. Now there's going to be a serious investigation
I would imagine in the coming months around what was
missed here as they look to apply it to other
cases around the country. It is, you know, biggest belief
really that they got close to this cad last year

(21:12):
and managed to sort of let him go and let
him back to school. Now we know what's happened.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (21:16):
Two right.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Hey, this Efficiency Commission that Donald Trump's going to seat up.
What is this supposed to do?

Speaker 11 (21:23):
Yeah, this is a Department of Government and Government efficiency.
Donald Trump has announced that he wants to start this.
He was in New York today speaking to some business leaders. Now, essentially,
this is a government department that would cut waste. It's
sort of a ministry of regulation. He vowed to eliminate
ten existing government regulations for every new regulation added under

(21:46):
his potential new administration. And the way that Elon Musk
falls into this is that just last month, Elon Musk
posted an AI generated image on his social media account
where he was standing behind a lecturn heather that had
the words top Department of Government Efficiency behind it. Donald
Trump even sees that he could lead the commission, which

(22:06):
is also aiming to audit the US government. So it's
another example of Donald Trump getting closer to Elon Musk.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Why would Elon Musk want to spend time leading something
like this? I mean, the guy is busy enough, isn't he.

Speaker 11 (22:20):
Yeah, I think that's a fair question. He owns a
number of companies. But Donald Trump has also admitted in
podcasts in recent times it would be hard for Elon
Musk to work in a department like this given the
potential conflict of interest that would arise from the multiple
businesses he owns. So it remains to be seen how
this would actually work in practice. But you've also got
to remember Donald Trump wants to remain close with Elon

(22:42):
Musk because he's donating tens of millions of dollars to
his campaign at the moment, and he's also very happy
to promote Donald Trump on his campaign on his social
media accounts as well. We has tens of millions of followers,
So there's a lot of reasons why Donald Trump wants
to remain close to Musk at the moment.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
It's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you so
much for that update. That's which we can us correspondent. Listen,
we're gonna have to talk about water care. If you
were listening to the show last night, you will have
heard the water care interview. I'm sure there's more on that,
so stand by just quickly. Also, on that situation with
Health New Zealand giving those free GP visits in Hawks Bays,

(23:20):
are just the Mariia the Pacifica kids and not kids
of any other ethnicity. Shane Ritti, the Health Minister, apparently
didn't know anything about this. He's not very happy at
all and he's asked for a please explain from Health
New Zealand on this. He's unable to talk to us
today because apparently he's flying from him the cargo and
it's just a complete shambles and so it's just too hard.
But he's going to talk to them on Monday, so
he'll be able to say something on Monday. Actor also

(23:42):
very upset about this. Now act are in the government,
So the question is, well, water you going to do
about it? David Seymour is going to be with us
after five seventeen away.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
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Speaker 3 (23:56):
Sober senior political correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Barry, good afternoon.
So China has responded to our spy report, has it?

Speaker 10 (24:02):
Yeah? Not surprisingly it's come up with fairly strong views
on it. The other day, you'll be aware that the
end of SIS they identified examples, they said of the
People's Republic of China influenced their influence here and they
said it smacked heavily and foreign interference. Well, the Chinese

(24:22):
have come out and said that look the fabricated there's
no such thing happening in this country. A spokesman for
the Chinese embassy, he said the allegations were entirely baseless,
baseless and nothing but a figment of the imaginational sheer fabrication.
It's interesting, isn't it. I mean, China is always being
hammered in this country. I find whereas the US gets

(24:46):
away scot free. The US has always had attached to
their embassy a CIA person there, but we don't take
much notice of that. But whenever it comes to the Chinese,
and we've got to remember we are a trading nation.
Our two ways trade with China's thirty eight billion dollars
a year. Last year. You look at the United States,
the two way trade with the United States is thirteen

(25:08):
point four billion. We dout of a free trade agreement
with him. And I'm not saying that we should sweep
under the carpet anything that may be going on in
this country, but look, there are other countries that try
and buy influence in this country as well. And it
reminded me of the Huawei situation where they were barred
from taking part in the ult fast broadband rollout, and

(25:31):
that was again an a GCSB doctrine that said that
Chinese there could be some spying going on if this
telecommunications company gets the contract. They still got part of
the contract, but not all of the contract. And this
is the biggest telecommunication supplier in the world. And at
the time it was twenty nineteen. I went to China

(25:52):
to Beijing with Jasin Dadurn, who spent less than twenty
four hours there. It was a sole trip to China
during her prime lis to ship and I went a
couple of days earlier and talked to Huawei to see,
you know, what their organization was like. They don't buy you,
They just tell you the story. And I'm not saying
that we swallow at lock stock and Barrel, because you know,

(26:14):
you've got to be objective about this. And I'm sure
there is some sort of interference that goes on in
this country, just as there is with other major powers here.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yes, but Barry, what are you saying to us that
you think that we should be a little nicer to
China and then just ease up on them a wee bit.

Speaker 10 (26:30):
Yeah, I think we should. I mean, you know why
bite the hand the feeder.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Because we're a liberal democracy and they're not. Well, that's true,
and we want to defend being a liberal democracy.

Speaker 10 (26:40):
Yeah, okay, that's fine, but that's why. But well, how
have they undermined New Zealand's democracy?

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Well, apparently according to this report. Hello, Barry, did you
know that there were two Chinese spies in parliament just
the other day until we kick them out?

Speaker 10 (26:54):
Well, how do we know there aren't other spies in parliament?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
We don't, but that's what we know, and we know
you asked me direct question, and they're trying to influence
their diasa.

Speaker 10 (27:04):
They In fact, what they do is they center their
attention and my view on China as opposed to other
nations around this world.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Well, yeah, because China is the biggest threat in our region. Well,
I mean that's like that, That's like if there's a
giant bully in the room, going, are you focusing too
much on the bully? But the bully is literally bullying you.

Speaker 10 (27:21):
Yeah, but it also feeds these of there getting some
money from China or something. I mean, I just think that,
you know, it's it's got to be fair truck with
all nations, and we are and we should never forget
it a trading nation, yes, and that's not to say
that they should undermine our democracy. And I don't think

(27:43):
for one moment they're doing that. Yes they are, No,
they haven't. They haven't had any influence in parliament at all.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
They had two spies in parliament.

Speaker 10 (27:51):
Maybe they had, what did they do there would not but.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
There's nothing, That's what I'm saying. And they got busted
and kicked out.

Speaker 10 (27:57):
Oh that's cool, so they can be there, But what
do they do?

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Barry with respect though, are you not being slightly naive
if you think that we should treat China the same
way as we treat the US. Given the US as
a liberal.

Speaker 10 (28:07):
Democracy, we well, okay, we look at the form of government.
We say, yes, we're closer to the United States. Although
don't forget when Donald Trump, if he gets in, he's
going to impose a tariff of ten percent on all
our own imports into the United States. So it's nice.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yeah, no, he's not cool either. Hey, But which brings
us to actually the sovereignty question around this new space
link that we've signed up.

Speaker 10 (28:30):
Like Star Wars, isn't it. And that's probably why the
Chinese are a bit sensitive at the moment because we've
signed up to what they call Operation Olympic Defender, and
that's with the United States, and we're sending a liaison
officer to the United States to work there for two years.
With this organization. It's the countries that belong to Australia,

(28:55):
the UK, Canada and the United States are leading it,
of course, and so we've you know, France has been
invited but in fact says that can't guarantee sovereignty. Judith
Collins to Peace Minister says, look, our sole representative from
the military that is there, they'll operate under New Zealand

(29:15):
military control.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Just the one, please good.

Speaker 10 (29:18):
I think the Americans might have a bit of an
argument about that one.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
Arry Hey, thank you very much. We'll wrap the political
week that was when you come back at about quarter passics.
It's very sober. Our senior political correspondent coming up eight
away from five, putting the.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 14 (29:33):
Breakfast now if you can believe in the concept of
ethnic priority appears to be back in our health systems,
balking the University medical emeritus Professor DS Gorman's with US
I'm understanding this is a deal between Health Hawks Bay
and the local primary health. So is it our business
or the minister's business or the local business. Do we
have an issue here or not.

Speaker 15 (29:49):
If you believe there are inequities in place which are
driving inequalities, you don't solve that by doing something which
generates another set of inequities or inequalities. The modern approach
to healthcare bikers to focus on a Jordan Rigel, families
in need and the the resources in place that they
need to actually improve or cover and do well. At
the minute you start agregating risks and a level of race,
you've lost focus.

Speaker 14 (30:09):
Back Monday from six am, The Mic Asking Breakfast, the Jaguar.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
F Pace News Talk z B.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Heather, can you please tell Barry that the checkers in
the mail thanks from Jingping. He's pleased. He's pleased because
he all he wants to do is earn some pootia
from his hard work. So thank you. Gee Hey, five
away from five I needed to talk to you about
what happened with this water care interview yesterday. Now, if
you were listening to the show yesterday just after half
past five, you may have caught the interview that we

(30:35):
had with water Care, the boss of water Care, and
this was about the twenty million dollar payment to the
y cuttle Ewe Tai Nui that they'd try to keep
hidden from basically everyone. I try to keep the thing
a secret. Right. Turns out water Care was not quite
finished with the old secrets, were they Because even yesterday
when Dave was on the radio with us, Dave was

(30:57):
not being completely straight up, was he. Someone was listening
to that interview and they got in touch with us afterwards.
Knew quite a bit about the situation, had some documents
to share and pointed out the things that Dave had
said that were not true, like this, when Dave said
that no money had been paid and.

Speaker 16 (31:16):
As I've said, to date, we haven't paid any money
and because the projects haven't been scoped as to what
they are really well, I've.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Got a document in my hand there it is that
shows actually what Dave said was not true at all.
Money was in fact paid on the thirtieth of January
this year to the Waikatu Ropatu River Trust one million
dollars authorized by the chief executive, So Dave would have
known that money had gone out of the bank accounts already,

(31:47):
even when he was telling us no money had been spent. Now, frankly,
I can't be bothered running you through any more of
the phibbs that Dave was trying to tell us, or
any of the obfuscation, because there was more of it,
by the way, and it all just starts to get
too technical and narritating. Just as long as you know
that Dave was not being straight up interesting. Water Care
must have realized that we were going to get onto this,
because they got in touch with us this morning even

(32:08):
before we got in touch with them. I think it
was like halp past nine or something like that, emailed
us to fesce up and say, oh, yeah, Dave got
something wrong. Actually we did give them some money. If
I had to hazard a guess as to why water
Care decided to fesce up before we had actually got
onto them, it was probably because they called a crisis
team in last night. They called PPR e a PDPR

(32:29):
And now PPR is one of the absolute best in
the business. And if I had to hazard a guess,
because I know that PPR know their business inside out
and make a point of being honest, probably PPR said
to them, yeah, did you tell the truth? Oh, you
should probably fess up asap, and so they did. That
would just be my guess as to why they were
fescing up about it. But yeah, lesson from this is

(32:51):
keep a sharp eye on water care because honesty is
not something that they are obviously tots cool with. And
also doesn't this make the whole thing worse because now
finding out even before the project are scoped, even before
they know what the money is going to be spent on,
they just rolled another million dollars of eight payer dollars
out the door to these guys. How much more worried
about the say you now me a lot?

Speaker 17 (33:11):
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One New Zealand, let's get connected a news talk.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
As 'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Afternoon. The Health Minister has asked for a please explain
after learning that Health New Zealand has decided to make
GP visits and Hawks Bay free for fourteen to twenty
four year olds if they're Mari or PACIFICA. This is
very much out of step with what the coalition government's
policies are Act Party leader and Associate Health Minister David
Seymour is with us, Hey David, heyhiber what are you
going to do about it?

Speaker 18 (33:52):
Well, we're relying on our Minister of Health to issue
the please explain. Technically they can say that it's operational,
but at the end of the day they will very
soon face a Cabinet circular, a directive to the entire
public service which they must follow that says public services
must be delivered on need not race, which is an

(34:13):
Act Party coalition commitment that is going to be released imminently,
and I think that's going to find finally make it
official for these bureaucrats to it. Kind of like those
Japanese soldiers after World War II. They're all through the
public service, still fighting the war, but I can tell
them the war's over.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
So is it the case that despite what you guys
may say, short of the circular, despite what you guys
may say at the moment, howth New Zealand could just
give you the finger and carry on?

Speaker 18 (34:41):
Well, you can put it that way. I'd describe it
this way. It's not like flicking a switch. So yep,
there'll be people out there who say, well, we voted
for you guys, for change, why hasn't this change? Ultimately,
the New Zealand government, I think, is about a quarter
million people and it's all about getting change in behavior
and attitude. And some of them are, of course, their
starting point is totally opposed. They won't have voted for

(35:02):
the government. They think that they can undermine it. But
over time we subdue them and so they actually know
that the people of New Zealand do want this. And
the ultimate persuasion is that we are all human. Universal
humanity is what unites us, and the sooner we start
focusing on that rather than making ethnicity our primary characteristic,

(35:23):
the sooner we can get stuck into addressing the real
issues like poor quality housing and diet.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Do you think howth New Zealand is trying to be
defined and undermine the government.

Speaker 18 (35:38):
I have no doubt there will be people there who
genuinely believe in the ideology that the Treaty of White
Tongue is a partnership between races, and therefore we should
first approach New Zealanders as members of a racial group.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
On are you saying they know full well with the
government's position on this? Stuff is and they're just being
defined and carrying on anyway.

Speaker 18 (36:01):
Well, put it this way, if they don't know what
the government's position is, I'm not really sure how else myself,
Chris lux and Winston Peters or any other member of
the coalition government, we've been saying it pretty clearly and
very soon we will issue a cabinet circular.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
O heart to issue this cabinet circular. It's just a notification.
Why don't you get onto it.

Speaker 18 (36:25):
Well, we actually have done it. But what I would
say is that it's not as simple as just saying
everything need not race. What we have done and you'll
see it soon is outlined exactly how you go through
the process of saying, okay, there's some people who aren't
doing so well health wise, Let's look at all the
reasons for that. So I mentioned housing, for example, living
in rural areas, being poorer, you know, perhaps lifestyle choice

(36:49):
is smoking, eating, and so on. Let's look at all
the data, at all the evidence, and hey, if all
of that stuff notwithstanding, there's still a difference between Mara
and non Murray, then I don't mind targeting Mario as
a group. But let's use the actual data, because I
think what you'll often find. Well, actually it reminds me
of you'll mate Paddy Gower, who once said, I want

(37:11):
David Seymour to tell me why a person living right
next door to this house lives seven years less than
a Pakia. And the thing is, Paddy, he was in
a house in gray Lynn. Now a person that lives
in a five million dollar villa in gray Lynn probably
has a whole lot of other features about them that
means they are going to live a long period of time,

(37:32):
such as their wealth and health and education and so on.
And that's first of all Paddy Gower, as has been
showing on your show as not a deep thinker. But
second of all, we do need deep thinking. We do
need to dig into the data and statistics and actually
start targeting need because once you start looking at the
evidence instead of lasily grouping people by race, not only

(37:52):
is it less divisive, but you can take a practical
approach to okay, maybe a tousing.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Okay, David, thank you very much, David. See what agg
party leaders? So I said health. I was going to
try to ask David, when's the circular coming out? But
I thought you could tell by the length of the answers.
We're going to be here all day. If I asked
in that question, maybe Laura could ask him on the
line police and then let us know. It's twelve past five.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Heather, do for see out down to something else.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Coppers are having to use force more often nowadays. According
to the annual Tactical Options Report, the use of force
by police is up nine percent in the last year.
Chris Carhill is the Police Association's Chief executive A.

Speaker 6 (38:23):
Chris Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Why is there this increase in police having to use force?

Speaker 6 (38:29):
Well, it's the nature of the incidents police are having
to attend. But some good news in this While it
has increased nine percent, the number of incidents police of
attendant has increased eleven percent, so that's actually a net decrease,
so that's quite a positive outcome.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
And well, when we talk about them having to use force,
is this everything from having to use a firearm through
to just having to tackle somebody to the ground. Is
that what we're talking about?

Speaker 6 (38:53):
Yeah, exactly, So it can be what we call empty
hand tactics right through the use of pepper spray tasers
and in the worst scenario of firearms.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Is this because Chris, we are seeing this increased level
of violence being imported from Australia or is it because
we ourselves are more agro than we were some time ago.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
No, it is really I think a state of more
people are willing to have a go with police. But
it can depend on the type of instance. We've clearly
got some significant mental health issues in New Zealand and
unfortunately a lot of the time police have to deploy
tactical options on people suffering mental distress. That's why I
really please see some changes and who actually takes responsibility

(39:34):
for those incidents as well.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Chris, I was surprised at how much of a hassle
gang members are. They only make up zero point two
percent of the national population according to this report, but
they accounted for nine percent of these tactical events.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
Yeah, and the ore the biggest concern. I think that
a group because they also have shown much more of
the willingness to have a go at police. That is
something that I think the five oh one deportees has changed.
Also that the younger group of people joining police and
sorry joining gangs who have a different response to get
to police officers as a concern to me. And now

(40:09):
Obviously I've got to address why are young people joining gangs?
But equally, now the level of violence is concerning for officers.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
So I mean, when cops are dealing with non gang offenders,
like an offender who isn't patched, eight percent of them
likely to be armed, with gang members twenty five percent
of them likely to be armed. That number is so high.
Are the cops routinely just arming up themselves when they
have to go deal with the gangs?

Speaker 6 (40:32):
Now, look at frontline cops will tell you when they
stop a gang car, they believe that there's such a
high chance of the firearm being present that they created
life was likely to be And that's the risk assessment
they take. And you can understand why they would see
these statistics.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Chris, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for that.
Appreciated this. Chris Carhill, the chief executive of the Police Association.
On that, did you say there was a shooting in
gray Linn last night? Now? Now, gray lin is suck
a nice part of Aucklint, right, This bets being gentrified.
It's full of people who are professionals and families and
stuff like that. So we're shooting in Grayln is kind
of a slightly shocking thing. That was the fourth homicide

(41:09):
investigation that a police have launched just in the last
ten days. That's just in Auckland, Okay, four homicide investigations
in ten days in one city. For the North Island,
the numbers are even more staggering just since the start
of August. That's just slightly over a month, right, a
month and five days. Ten homicide investigations. What the hell

(41:29):
is going on? And the one in Graylan is not
even like it's petty as all hell. No gangs involved, Yeah,
some criminals. What it was was a bit of a
neighborly dispute, damage to property, broken windows on cars and houses,
escalated kid gets shot on the street, not say quarter past.
We all want to be the best, but not all
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Speaker 1 (42:42):
Heather dupers Ellen.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Alrighty, Heather, Dave's legend as in, like Dave Seymour, Dave's
a leegend. But bloody hell does he have a hidden
blowhole because he he never seems to come up for
He's got so many words coming out of his mouth,
doesn't either you know what's going on here? David Seymour's
got a lot of thoughts in his head and they've
all got to come at you one. So you've just
got to make sure that you ask the most important

(43:05):
questions first and then forsake everything else. And on the
question that I was wanting to ask, when is the
circular coming out? It sounds like literally any minute now,
So I would put my money on the fact that
it's out by the end of September. Keep an eye
on that it's coming up twenty past five. Now, there
are questions around spending re some of Women's Refuges money.

(43:25):
There are three senior staff members at the Portado A
branch who've been suspended while a forensic accountant investigates money
that was spent on get this dental work, beauty treatment, haircuts,
and flights to the Gold Coast. Charities law expert Sue
Barker's with us on this a Sue Hi, he how
are you very well? Thank you now? Suit Listen, even
if this was best case scenario legit spending from a

(43:46):
fund that was meant for the well being of staff,
how do you think this is going to go down
with the public who donate.

Speaker 12 (43:53):
Well, I think that's an important question. I mean, it
is important to bear in mind that charities are really struggling.
It is really hard for them to recruit and retain
staff at the moment in the current climate, and people
in charities work really hard. So in principle, I don't
think there's a problem with having a well being fun
to reward staff, you know, to look after staff, to

(44:16):
monarchy their staff. I think in principle that's not inherently problematic.
But I think the problem is is that every decision
when it comes to a charity must be made in
the best interest of the charitable purposes. Now this is
subject to an investigation, so I wouldn't want to comment
on the specifics, but in principle, every charity must make
sure every payment meets that test.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Yeah, okay, so look at this through the eyes of
somebody who's donated to them. You find out that a
staff member has spent two hundred dollars at the dentist
and it's been signed off. Best case scenario, that's not
a good look as it.

Speaker 12 (44:51):
Well, you know, how far down do you want to go?
I mean, people support charities to support their charitable purposes,
and I think questions like this really are very difficult
for charities. That charities are in a very vulnerable position
because they need the support of the public in order
to receive the funding that they need in order to
further their charitable perps, and questions like this can can

(45:15):
really be very difficult for a charity. And it's important
to note that it's not really woman's refuge, you know,
it's it's slightly apart from women's refuge, and it worries
me that the women's refuge might be tainted by something
that's not necessarily attributable to them.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Yeah, I think you're onto something there, so hey, thank
you very much appreciated. Sue Barker, charity's law expert here. Yes,
you're right about Graylan absolutely generally a super an upper
socioeconomic suburb, but that part of Grayln to at Angy
Road not so much. That's also a fair point.

Speaker 16 (45:46):
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Speaker 1 (45:47):
Two the men you trust to get the answers you need.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
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get connected a news talk as they'd be either.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
After listening to Sue, I'm never donating money to another
charity two thousand dollars on someone's dental work as nuts,
I can kind of understand where you're coming from that.
Do you not be honest with you? I don't donate
money to charities for exactly this reason. I just give
money to people directly if I think they need it,
because I just don't trust charities anymore. Too many negative
stories like this. I'm not just harming themselves and Women's Refuge,

(46:17):
the harming the whole charitable sector, I would argue. Anyway,
it's twenty five past five. Now listen. If you were
listening to the show last night, you might have had
your mind blown ever so slightly by Mike Munroe, former
advisor to Jacinda Rdurn, and his opinion on the bike
rack in Wellington. Mike last night did not think that
there was any problem with spending more than five hundred
thousand dollars five hundred and sixty thousand dollars plus on

(46:39):
an extremely flash bike rack in Wellington and also the
associated foot path upgrades and stuff. He didn't think that
was too much money. Now, we shouldn't have actually had
our minds blown by this, because obviously there are people
in the world who think like this, and you can
find them at Wellington City Council commissioning the bike rack.
That's how the thing happens, because there are whole bunch
of people who don't see a problem with it all

(46:59):
the way through the food chain at Wellington City Council.
I don't know how you convince somebody that that is
too much money if they don't think it's too much
money for a bike crack. But what I would say
to somebody like that is, whether it's Mike or the
Wellington City Council staff or whatever, look at what's happening
to Wellington today. Pandora has announced it shutting its three
cafes or they've been operating in Wellington for twenty two years,

(47:20):
survived the GFC, survived, COVID shutting. Eggmont Street Eatery, which
is a cool, classy little joint that closed this week.
Concord Cafe has closed, Service depot, the clothing store has closed,
two bars, Rubricks and sugar Woods have gone into liquidation.
Ivette Edwards the florist has closed. That's not even a
comprehensive list. That's just the stuff that's closed recently. Is
much much more than that going on there. Wellington businesses

(47:40):
are in trouble.

Speaker 6 (47:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Listen to what the owner of Pandora blames for having
to shut down. He blames the economic downturn we're all suffering.
He blames the public service redundancies and he blames Wellington
City Council. He says no one will come to Wellington
City if the council keeps stuffing the city. And part
of what's shut down his store as Allen Street Bakery
was the cycle track outside. By the way. The Auckland
Bakery is fine, that's going to carry on. It's just

(48:04):
the Wellington one shutting and it's the cycle track that
closed that particular one. So there's your problem with the
bike crack spend. It's money being wasted on nice to haves,
funded by rates that businesses pay while the businesses themselves
go under. What really the council should have done was
just not spent the money, not spent the money on
a nice to have, and drop the rates back ever

(48:25):
so slightly and then added a whole bunch of other
ice to haves in there as well, and dropped the
rates a whole lot, because if you drop the rates
far enough, maybe the businesses can stay open. But instead
they were rated through the roof and now they're closing.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Hever du for they've also got.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
A nice bike rack, so hey, there's silver lining. I
suppose now Liam Napier is going to be with us
next because of course we've got the All Blacks versus
the spring Box rematch this upcoming weekend, which we're all
going to be very zen abouts, right, We're all just
going to relax about this. I don't know how relaxed
a Rugby writer is about the situation he's going to
explain to us shortly. And also the governance thing, you know,

(49:00):
that thing in Rugby, that boring old technical thing finally resolved,
so we'll talk to the sports huddle about it.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Shortly on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and
in your car on your drive home. Hither duper c
Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
news talk as z' be.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Hither It's John. I'm gonna miss my cheese done at
Pandora on Wednesdays. And those bus lanes bike lanes are
slowing down my bus yet it's a real grind day
and the Chiese gone thing is quite sad. Apparently after
it was announced today Pandora just got flooded in Wellington
with all these people who were like, must have it today,
must have it today. The pity about that is if
they just had that adage attitude in the last few
weeks maybe it wouldn't be in this position. But listen,

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we're going to talk about a little bit more with
a member of the Courtney Place Precinct group, just about
how what is going on in the central city and
Wellington is really stuffing the place for these guys be
with us after six and the sports hitle standing by
to have a chat to us. It's twenty four away
from six right now. Now. Just like the All Blacks did,
the Springbox have also made a bunch of changes to
their side ahead of the second Test in Capetown this weekend.
According to the South African Rugby Press, it's a more

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experienced and less experimental Box lineup. Liam Napier is the
chief sports writer at The Herald with us now.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Hey Liam, evening, Heather.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
That says to me that they know that after a
defeats the All Blacks bounce back hard and they're prepared
for it.

Speaker 19 (50:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're on the right track there.
It's a bit of a flip the script one because
the spring Box have recalled some of their World Cup
winners and the All Blacks conversely have gone to youth.
So it's going to be interesting to see which tactics
prevail this weekend and one of the greatest cities on
Earth in Capetown.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Probably some of the best news for the spring Boxes
that see Akalisi's been clear to play after that facial INJURYA.

Speaker 19 (50:51):
He's a massively inspirational figure throughout South Africa, not just
in the rugby context. Heather very galvanizing, uniting character who's
been a massive influence in the SPRINGBOKX winning back to
back World Cup titles. So it was thought that he
had a facial fracture, but he's recovered swiftly inside a week,
so a big in for them.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Do you think the changes that the All Blacks have
made were smart or did they read to you as
panicking slightly?

Speaker 1 (51:21):
To me, it is a bit reactionary.

Speaker 19 (51:23):
Two of them were injury enforced, with Caleb Clark and
Ethan Blacket are unavailable due to injuries, but the others
are a direct reaction to what happened last week and
the final quarter collapse. Trying to counter the Springbox bomb squad.
Bench putting some experience on the All Blacks bench and
I think you'll see the All Blacks look to play

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the game at pace and attack the Springboks for longer
that they did so well last week for sixty minutes
and then just blew it by kicking the ball away
through all discipline and some real inexperience on the bench.
So I think it is a real reaction to that
large quarter and basically looking over their shoulder, worrying about

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that bomb squad from the spring Box and trying to counter.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
That, Yeah, how relaxed are you going to be if
the All Blacks lose? How much slack are you going
to cut? Razor?

Speaker 19 (52:15):
Well, look there is an element of rebuilding for the
All Blacks, but look this is the All Blacks. It's
huge demands on the massive expectations. The All Blacks haven't
lost to the spring Box hither four times in seventy
five years. And they have held the Freedom Cup, which
is a trophy that was brought into mark ten years
of South African democracy. They've held that cup for fifteen years.

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So this is a significant test. Records at stake, there's
legacies on the line, and the All Blacks are expected
to win every test. It doesn't matter if it's the
World champions in their backyard or you know, Australia in Australia.

Speaker 8 (52:52):
So Razer's got a tough job.

Speaker 19 (52:55):
There's been big post World Cup exits and he's still
trying to find his best fifteen. But we expect the
All Blacks to win every week.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Liam, you're a tough task master. I appreciate it. It's
Liam Napier, the Herald Chief sports writer. It's coming up
twenty away from.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
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Speaker 7 (53:25):
Sportunity to play fall back and give sevu's world class
wing with make Tale who he goes pretty well as well.

Speaker 10 (53:31):
So it's a mixed for us.

Speaker 15 (53:33):
My name was.

Speaker 7 (53:33):
Wallace played for the Chiefs and Sir Grabby this year
played a number for the Chiefs and hopefully a bit
off as a Caledy this week.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
A lot of the responses though, is also just due
to people not being very familiar with breaking and the
diversity of approaches on the sports tuddle of us this
evening and got Nick Burley news to ZEDB Canterbury sports
reader and Andrew Gordy are in z be key we
head of communications hire you can I hit it now, Gordy,

(54:03):
I bumped into you this morning.

Speaker 18 (54:04):
Didn't know.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
We're out for a walk out for a walk along
the just promenading, and you and I got discussing Raiser,
and you and I have agreed that we're going to
cut him some slack unlike Liam.

Speaker 8 (54:15):
Yes, yeah, I'm definitely cutting him some slack. Hither. I've
got no problems with that. What's about.

Speaker 20 (54:20):
He's new to the job, okay, and you've got to
give the guys some time to be it in. But
I have it's funny that we're bringing this up. I've
been really surprised at how unwilling some people are to
cut him some slack. I was down in christ Church
only a few weeks ago at an event down there,
and people were watching around the table as they fell
to defeat obviously against Argentina and a room full of Cantabrians.

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I couldn't believe how many people were saying, Rais has
got to go bring back Fossy. I don't know what's
going on down there at christ urchu Lee, but I
could not believe what I was hearing.

Speaker 8 (54:51):
I mean, he's only new to the job. Give him
some time for good two right, Nick?

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Can you explain it?

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (54:56):
I can't explain that I feel like that's treason, isn't it?
Ordered back over the cook straight. But look, I'm on
the same sort of song sheet to Gordy there. Look,
this is the first year of a Rugby World Cup cycle.
It's buying larger an opportunity to experiment in the way
you want to play and who you want to be
there playing this week for example, you know, having a

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guy like Wallace Attiiti really out of the wilderness getting
a real introduction into international rugby, first start at blindside, flank,
at first start full stop, Will Jordan a second test
start at fullback. And this is against the two time
world champions.

Speaker 8 (55:32):
So I think some slack needs to be cut.

Speaker 21 (55:34):
As you were alluding to earlier that I think it's
the nature of however they play as opposed.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
As you want something here, this is what I think
that there is nothing.

Speaker 21 (55:44):
To be ashamed about losing to the two time world
champions at Alice Park in front of however many thousand
people thereby a few points. Yes, they blew it in
the last fifteen minutes and they have acknowledged that. But
at this by the same token, if they were to
lose by seven points or least this weekend, I think
some slack totally.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
So Nick is onto something there? Gaudy because it is,
it's not it's not that you lose, it's how you lose.
So what are we looking for from the All Blacks,
even in even if we lose the game, what are
we looking for to convince us that yes, they're onto
something here?

Speaker 8 (56:15):
Well? Yeah, as Nixt says, it's the style of play.

Speaker 20 (56:18):
But also coming back to what Liam's said, Razor doesn't
really know what his first choice fifteen is yet and
we're probably not going to find that out for quite
some time yet.

Speaker 8 (56:26):
But what's the panic here? What is the panic?

Speaker 20 (56:28):
Like we're after a World Cup year, this is the
year that you use to bed in your your first
choice playing fifteen and your style of the play. So
I'm not I'm almost writing this season off.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
To be perfect.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
The whole season.

Speaker 20 (56:40):
One thing I will say, though, Well I'm not going
to say the whole season, but you know I'm going
to cut them some slack for a year, That's what
I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (56:46):
But look, you look at the selection of Walstiti. I
mean it's it's hilarious.

Speaker 20 (56:50):
Even in your intro, they're hearing of having to effectively
introduce himself to the media. You may not have heard
of me, but I'm starting at blindside flanker for the
All Blacks this week. Look, that is the kind of
selection and we'll see how it goes. I'm excited by
the selection personally. I think whilst the t t as
a player with massive potential, he's clearly an explosive player.
But that is the sort of selection that for Scott Robertson,

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it's sort of lived by the sword, died by the sword.
That's either going to go great or it's going to
backfire spectacularly, and he will need to be there and
stand and answer the questions if that doesn't come off,
but I certainly hope it does for both and Wallace's sake.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Yeah, Okay, explain the governance stuff to me. What is
this compromise? Are we the option?

Speaker 21 (57:29):
Honestly, Heather, I swear every time I answer the phone
from ant asking me to come on this panel, there
is another update and the sorry governance sarga.

Speaker 7 (57:39):
It is just becoming a running joke.

Speaker 21 (57:41):
But look, I'm relatively pleased to inform the listeners out there.
It looks like some compromise and some common sense has
been reached. Looks like we are going to move forward
now that we have a couple of adjustments to what
was initially voted through proposal to by the provincial unions
and that being around that provincial experience not necessarily just
has to be on the board. Now it can be

(58:03):
on the executive So I think that's a that will
make our friend Rob Nickel at the Players Association relatively happy.
And then having the New Zealand Schools and the New
Zealand Rugby Foundation involved as well on the on the
Government's governance panel, taking it to ten. So a couple
of little adjustments there. It looks like ultimately, you know,
there's people here that were never going to agree on

(58:24):
every little detail and some collaboration and some common sense
is finally provailed.

Speaker 8 (58:29):
So I think this is a win.

Speaker 21 (58:30):
I just hope now that we do get a very
good New Zealand Rugby board to addrease some massive issues
in the game, we get the transformational change we're all
after you.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Thank god he explained it to us, Gordy, because now
now I understand it got so deep in the weeds,
isn't it.

Speaker 8 (58:45):
Oh, it's ridiculous. Heather and as someone put it to
me earlier, actually got made of mind.

Speaker 20 (58:49):
Said, it's with what's been going on with New Zealand
Rugby and all the stakeholders in the last few months.
It's been like watching your house burn down and arguing
with your neighbor about who started it. It doesn't really matter,
but you've got a much much bigger problem here. Cut
the crab, put your differences aside and come to some
kind of agreement that's going to get this sport moving forward.
But look, yeah, clearly compromis has been made on both sides,

(59:10):
but I don't think we would have reached agreement if
if all parties weren't to some degree at least happy
for that too.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Right, Okay, we're going to take a break and come
back shortly. Right now, it is coming up fourteen away
from six.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
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Speaker 3 (59:26):
Twelve away from six Back to the sports Hale, Andrew Gordon,
Nick Buley, Andrew GORDI did you see what happened to Israel?
A designia on K wrote.

Speaker 20 (59:33):
I did, I did, and it's astonishing isn't it imagine
having such a brain cell deficiency here that that you
would you would be driving along and you bark at
someone in a McLaren and then you stop and naturally
decide to have an argument with them. Outsteps israel A
to Sognya, and you still back yourself to beat them
in a fight. I can't quite get my head around that.
But actually, based on what I've seen and based on

(59:53):
what's been said and written, and that's all I can.

Speaker 8 (59:54):
Go off so far.

Speaker 20 (59:56):
Thought I thought I was perfectly happy with how Israel
handed and handled himself told the god walk away.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
Yeah, sure, a bit of.

Speaker 20 (01:00:02):
Everything and blinding and whatnot, and maybe pull the finger
and stuff like that. But I mean, I've seen much
much worse. And in fact, that said he's seen much
much worse in the last of twenty four hours, so
I think he I think he did absolutely fine.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Yes, it's weird. Darcy was suggesting to me when he
was in earlier nick that actually, this kind of thing
does happen to sports stars from time to time, and
he knew of some who'd actually would wander around the
city with the security guard to stop it happening.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
What's going on?

Speaker 21 (01:00:24):
I think sadly here that we live in a generation
a bit like with keyboard worries, where someone can just
whip out a phone and they think they're a hero
because they can say this, that and the other thing without.

Speaker 8 (01:00:33):
Any real consequence.

Speaker 21 (01:00:34):
And it would have probably taken everything.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
As to Son, you had to.

Speaker 21 (01:00:39):
Hold back because obviously he must have known if he
actually did act on what he wanted to do, the
fallout people would have caught him a thug. You know,
sponsors et cetera wouldn't have been happy. But I just
can't Yeah, like Gordy was saying, can't grasp why someone
a would do that to anyone, let alone Israel out
to Son you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I've had Gordy a little bit of a little bit
of resistance on the text machine to calling Raygun an athlete.

Speaker 20 (01:01:08):
Look as she an athlete, I don't know, but she's
an icon and a superstar in my eyes. I mean,
as we were saying earlier today, mate, like I can't
name you a single other breakdancer from the Olympic Games,
but Raygun is a superstar. She didn't need to win
a gold, silver, or bronze medal to make a name
for herself. Out of these Olympic Games.

Speaker 11 (01:01:27):
I love it.

Speaker 20 (01:01:28):
I absolutely love her. I love her attitude. I actually,
I actually really love her attitude to what she did
at the Olympic Games. Even she knew she wasn't going
to win any kind of medal, so she did something
that was going to stand out and make a name
for herself.

Speaker 8 (01:01:40):
And she's absolutely achieved that. So or all credit to her.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Yeah, And do you know what, Nick, I'm coming up
with a theory that your reaction to Raygun says everything
about you and how you view the world. And I
loved I loved her. What about you, Nick, Now you're
on the spot. Did you love it?

Speaker 21 (01:01:54):
Oh? Yeah, I have no exception with ray Gun whatsoever.
And I think it says to Gordy's point that I
don't even know what Raygun's name is.

Speaker 8 (01:02:03):
I just know her as Raygun. It's Rachel something, isn't
it Rachel Rachel Gun? Sure?

Speaker 21 (01:02:07):
Okay, here we go, right, She's basically she's as good
as seals as far as I'm concerned. She can go
around with one name, that's it. But look like she's
capitalizing on her moment, isn't she? And all powered to
her like surely there's I don't know, new Balance or
Nike or someone something accustomed to break dancing and get
on board and enjoy this moment.

Speaker 8 (01:02:31):
Yeah, what one?

Speaker 7 (01:02:32):
Why shouldn't you?

Speaker 21 (01:02:33):
But she's she's she's savoring the moment of fame.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
Because your baby in the background I heard trying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Yeah that that'll be my baby.

Speaker 21 (01:02:41):
Yeah, we THEO coming up fifteen months?

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
So how's it going here? How's it going?

Speaker 8 (01:02:45):
And join that juggle? Are we're getting into parenting on
the sports title?

Speaker 7 (01:02:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (01:02:51):
Any tips for me?

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Oh, Bordie, you've got you've got more children than me,
You've got double me. What's your tips for neck?

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
I'll just say good luck, mate, good luck.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:03:03):
It just gets easier doing pretty well being on the
radio right now and also looking after a fifteen month
old baby.

Speaker 8 (01:03:08):
So I think you're nailing it well. Shout out to
the boss Missus Beuley. She's got well under control. So
I wouldn't be doing this if it was just me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I got two pieces of advice from from a girlfriend
that that pulled me through. Number One, it gets easier,
every single bit gets easier. And number two, everything's a phase.
So you just got it. You just lasted out mate,
it might just be a couple of weeks and then
you're fine again.

Speaker 8 (01:03:32):
Oh no, that's that's great stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yeah, I think we all do. And yours are like
basically twenty years old. Gordy, Hey, guys, thank you. I
really appreciated this. Nick Buley and Andrew gordiare sports title
this evening seven away from six.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in
your car on your drive home. Heather dupleic Allen drive
with One New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Talk, Tony's Got a theory Fiway from six. Tony's got
a theory on why the Southerner is the Cantabrians are
being so hard on their very own coach. He reckons though.
Southerners thought that Hanson didn't pick enough of their players,
so they moaned until they got rid of him. And
now we've got a coach who doesn't like picking Blues players.
So what do we expect? Look, you know what I reckon.
This is what I think is going on. It's the
same thing, is like everybody is. It's the same thing

(01:04:18):
as the phenomena around Raygun. Everybody is loving Raygun, and
just how ballsy. She is in the hotspa with which
she's approaching this. Except for the Aussies who are just
mortified because they're embarrassed, and I feel like the same
thing may be happening in Canterbury. Everybody's like, yeah, look,
this guy's got no no international coaching experience. Give him
a break. He'll get there. He's obviously a fantastic coach,

(01:04:39):
just needs a bit of time to pull together the
squad that's obviously quite shite. Frankly, except for the Cantabrians,
who are like, he's embarrassing us because he's from Canterbury.
I'll settle down Canterbury, give him a break. He'll be fine. Listen.
I cannot I cannot quite understand, Like, I don't think
we've plumbed the depths of human stupidity yet. Can I

(01:05:00):
hear that people are buying tickets to Fire Festival two.
I think we might be getting close. I can't believe
that this is happening. If you don't know about this,
you need to go watch the documentary I think is
on Netflix about Fire Festival number one. It was like
a complete shambles, right, people paid these extortionate prices to
go this festival that was supposed to be like krem

(01:05:21):
De la Creme of festivals. It's aig gourmet food and
Blink one eight to two and they're gonna be on
this exclusive island and all these fancy people are gonna
be there. When they got there, they were basically an
emergency tense. Their gaurmet food were like cheese sandwiches that
were in like polystyrene takeaway containers and the luggage just
got thrown into a dark car park. It was a
Blink one eight two pulled out. It was a complete shambles.

(01:05:43):
The guy who ran, and the guy who ran it
was completely disgraced. Well, guess what, he's popped up again,
and he is actually doing it again. And he did
say about a year ago he was doing it again,
but we were all like, not what, he's gonna buy
your tickets? Well, he reckons he's selling tickets for between
eight hundred dollars New Zealand and thirteen thousand dollars New
Zealand just for the ticket. That's all, just for the ticket.

(01:06:05):
He reckons, he's already sold tickets. He says it has
to work because otherwise no one's ever going to trust
him again it's going to be very hard to get
other opportunities, whether that's a marketing job, a podcast appearance,
a TV show, or a relationship. Yes, Billy, you're never
going to get any sexy time again. Unless this actually works,
everybody's gonna hate you. And yet apparently people are buying

(01:06:26):
tickets because the first one they didn't have, they not
found the internet and done a Google search. Anyway, here
come her to them. We'll talk about Wellington next.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
We're Business. He's inside the Business Hour. We're the head
and duple c Allen and my Hr on newsst.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
B even in coming up in the next hours using
peg has got the check book out in Africa. Man,
he is spending cash like there like they're like, there's
no tomorrow. We're going to talk to Peace to Lewis
about it. Shortly, will wrap the political week that was
a very soper and we'll also go to the UK
with Gavin Gray coming up eight past six. Now, cafe
and bakery chain Pandora is closing its is closing its

(01:07:09):
Wellington stores after twenty eight years in business. Follows a
string of closures from hospitality businesses and Wellington's in the city,
including Egmont Street eatery Field and Green Shepherd con called
Cafe Rubriks and also Sugar Woods Bars. Greg Wilson is
a Wellington business owner and member of the Courtney Place
Precinct Group and is with us now hey Greg here,
Pandora is an institution. Man, if these guys can't survive,

(01:07:32):
it must be really tough.

Speaker 22 (01:07:34):
Well, that's that's the thing, right, These guys have been
an institution of Wellington for years, you know. And one
Street two have been going for almost a decade in Wellington.
And these guys are you really good operators?

Speaker 6 (01:07:44):
So yeah, it's a.

Speaker 22 (01:07:45):
Really seems pretty big message that Welton's going through a
really tough time at the moment.

Speaker 18 (01:07:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
I was going to say, like, the list of things
that are going wrong for you guys is so long,
I don't even really know where to start. But what
do you think the most the most influential is.

Speaker 22 (01:08:01):
Yeah, there's a bit of a list of things.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
He had a lot.

Speaker 22 (01:08:03):
Biggest thing is has really been that the public set
cuts this year had hammered Wellington. The social housing issues
in central Wellington haven't haven't helped at all. There's the
interest rates obviously, people have cut spending, hospitality, is the
first thing to be cut, and the budgets that type

(01:08:25):
the public sector jobs. Actually, you know, ninety five percent
of people in this country still have their job, so
most people still have their job, but it's there.

Speaker 5 (01:08:33):
It's the the unknown.

Speaker 22 (01:08:34):
A lot of people know people that have lost their jobs,
and so there's that fear and that sort of that
scaredness around, like all we'll be to stop spending and
say my money because all what's around the corner, Let's
wait and see. And so that's what's happened right now.
So it's but springs come along and it's given us
a bit of a bit of a bump in our
mood today with a bit of blue sky. So that's positive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Did you guys have a good day in Wellington today?
It's amazing how they gone and stuff lived to spirits.
What I was down on was down last month. And
the thing that I noticed is the amount of construction
that's going on in the city. Like in Taranaki Street
just outside Lee's Mills, that blinking that dougger has been
there for the longest time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
What the hell is going on?

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
Yet?

Speaker 22 (01:09:11):
A little bit slow? I'll drive pass you every day
and I feel like poton we have the side of
the run jumping ankt and spade and getting a bit
of hand. Yeah, it's taken it too long, and I
mean so well Auckland had return with all the is
having their turn and it's gone through a messive change
of street changes and broad dig ups and it is
now Wellington's pairing Wellington's lagging infrastructure. Fortney Place is about
to go through a big major upgrade, so we can

(01:09:32):
expect Courtney Places to be dug up mid next year
three years.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Man, is that wise change? Given everything you people have
been through, should they be doing that?

Speaker 13 (01:09:42):
Well?

Speaker 22 (01:09:42):
Looky bit a look at Courtney plafs Now it's a
bit tired and run down at the moment, Heather, And look,
we could keep going the way with going otherwise we
could make some change. And it's always really hard for
everyone to get behind for us to start, especially such
as significant sort of transport or a destination like Courtney
Place that has a you know, entertainment harbord all. There's
also a thoroughphyre for buses, so that's a bit scary

(01:10:03):
for us business homes at the moment. But we are
working with the council and we're meeting with the council
really regularly about getting a plan for Courtney Place, one
that we can really get behind and celebrate, because we
want to bring Courtney Place back to what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Do you feel like you need to be nice to
the council so that you can get your party at.

Speaker 22 (01:10:19):
New Year's shout up for your Tory. Yet we're working
hopefully what's the council. Yes, so we got that meeting
next week for the next Wednesdays that minute. But now
the count has been pretty supportive. We're working with them
really closely. But we're we are looking hoping to fix
some change soon and it's just going to take a
bit more time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
Yeah, good luck man, but your care.

Speaker 8 (01:10:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:10:44):
Hospitality, we're a hardy bunch. And the hospitality we're just
going through COVID. We two years of COVID, and I
say to people, this kind of feels like COVID but
without the COVID. Yeah, And so it's hammering us again.
Businesses are going away. We're reinventing our businesses almost every day.
We're looking at thesing, what can we cut, what can
we change? For example, in our business here the word
now outsourcing roles to the Philippines, a finance marketing roles

(01:11:07):
for the Philippines. That's said for New Zealand. But that's
the reality is to survive in this market, we've got
to be a bit more creative and cut costs to
survive just to get through this year and survive twenty
five as very real.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Yeah, I totally believe you, Greg, Thank you very much.
Really appreciate it, mate, and go Well. That's Greg Wilson
who's a member of Courtney Place Precinct Group and owner
of Courtney Place businesses. And by the way, the party
I was talking about there is the part is this
is the New Year's Eve party. Greg and a bunch
of people are trying to trying to get the council
to go ahead with it and close off Courtney Place
for New Year's even let them do like a little
family family initially family oriented party, later turning into no

(01:11:41):
doubt boots hag outfit as it gets closer to midnight,
into our best of luck because he thinks that that
may help out with the businesses over news even probably will.
Now there's a lot of reason at the moment to
feel gloomy about what's going on economically and with the
housing market because you know, you probably look at your
house value and it's going backwards and backwards and backwards
and backwards. You feel a bit stink that at least
it's not this stink. What about this? The biggest loss

(01:12:04):
recorded so far this year in residential sales was for
a remu Era apartment in Auckland, which sold for one
million dollars less than it had been bought for. So
it was bought in March twenty eighteen, not that long ago,
six years ago, March twenty eighteen for six and a
half million bucks, and then it was sold this year

(01:12:26):
in April for five and a half million bucks. Now,
what's a million when it's a lot, it's a lot
a million bucks? How about that? Lost a million bucks
in six years? Whatever you're going through is not that bad.
Thirteen plus six crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
It's Heather due for Sea Allen with the business hours
thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME on
newstalksb Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
What currency is hushing ping? Spending in Africa? Is at
USD or Juan? I don't actually know, but you know
who does know is Peter Lewis and he's going to
be with us in less than half an hour's time,
so we'll ask him sixteen plus. So let's wrap the
political week that was with our senior political correspondent Barry
so called. Welcome back, Barry, Hello again, Heather. Yeah, I'm
perplexed by what's going on on Hawk's Bay with this
preferential treatment for Mary and Pacifica kids.

Speaker 10 (01:13:12):
Yeah. Just to refresh your listeners' minds that from May
last year, Hawksby announced that there would be free GP
and registered health nurse healthcare funding for people aged between
fourteen and twenty four. Yeah, that sounded really good. And
then they've changed the eligibility criteria though from September the first,

(01:13:33):
so the other day, the eligibility will be limited to
young people the same age group fourteen to twenty four.
And the top priority they've got in the list, followed
by a number of conditions is Maldi and or PACIFICA. Well,
you know again, this is prioritizing on race and surely

(01:13:56):
that has no part in a country that should be
prior tizing need.

Speaker 12 (01:14:01):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:14:02):
It was news to the Minister's office Shane Retty when
this came out that the Hawk's Bay Health were doing this,
they said. Essentially this was a decision made between Health
New Zealand and the hawks By and the local primary
health organization. The Minister retty he expects Health New Zealand
to be working on improved outcomes for all New Zealanders

(01:14:25):
and to prioritize funding accordingly focused on need. Now this
is coming from the minister. The minister he's requested further
information from Health New Zealand and you can take it
from what he said to me in a message that
he's not very happy about what's gone on there and
I think it will be stopped in fairy short ordered.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
I'd be interested to see what happens next week. Do
you is aware of you landed on the tax that
we are now charging the tourist the increased tax. Is
it going to put people off for what?

Speaker 11 (01:14:55):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:14:55):
What has led to is a great debate, isn't it.
And I'm probably in the camp that would say, look,
you spend a lot of money to come to New
Zealand because it's so far away from the rest of
the world, so you've got to be pretty dedicated to
get down to this country. And I don't think a
hundred bucks is neither here nor there frankly, and I
don't think it's going to put people off, although having

(01:15:16):
said that, if you were say parents were three kids
coming to New Zealand, that's five hundred bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
And Barry, it's not the only tax we're asking, is it.
As you've pointed out, departure. There's the arrival tax, there's
a departure tax, there's the visitor visa. Yes, it's also charge,
which is considerably more. You've got all the airport taxes
that are built into your flight, your airline ticket, which
is already expensive, so by the time you look at
just the documentation and the plane ticket to get here,
it's enormously pricing.

Speaker 10 (01:15:43):
I think the timing of this is not good because
even though it may be a piffling amount, when you
spend the amount of money you do to come to
New Zealand, the timing is bad. We're trying to rebuild
our tourism industry and you're not going to rebuild it
putting more taxes on. At this time. You should be
reducing taxes to encourage people to come here, because people

(01:16:05):
that come into this country spend a lot of money.
It's a big income earner, only second behind deiry. So
you know, we need to be nurturing this particular industry
rather than make it more difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
I mean, there is an argument that we're better off
with more with fewer very very rich people than lots
and lots and lots of people who are poorer.

Speaker 10 (01:16:25):
Well, you know, a lot of people complained about the
number of tourists that we had in this country. But
those winges, of course, they don't realize how much money
tourism injected into this country. So they may have to
wait five minutes longer to get in somewhere. But you know,
tourists are very important to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yes, some men's had a good week again, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:16:44):
The golden balls are tarnished, That's all I can say.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Come on, why because the Greens had a little little
cry about one of his figures.

Speaker 10 (01:16:51):
Well he did get them wrong, and like all politicians,
he exaggerated. But like Ginny Anderson before him on the
number of cops on the beat.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
It's very different.

Speaker 10 (01:17:02):
But the problem with politicians here is that they never
get anything wrong. They always explain their way out of it,
and we politician weasel words, it's being called in the
past and that's what it is, because they know they're guilty,
they know they made a mistake, and never willing to
accept it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Can you tell me definitively that there are not twelve
five hundred thousand dollars speed humps in this country?

Speaker 10 (01:17:29):
Oh well, I couldn't say that, And if there might
be right that they are, it's patently ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
I know of at least two.

Speaker 10 (01:17:35):
Yeah, So the amount of money he said that was
going to be saved, he extrapolated from the cost of
I think twenty four speed bumps and multiplied it by twelve.
The twelve that they're removing. I think he got it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Yeah, I think he did. I mean, you know, I
was just trying to be kind to him. I love
what he's doing. Hey, Shane Jones. Now, look, Shane Jones
was right to get a ballock, But I ain't nobody
going to think he was wrong.

Speaker 10 (01:18:04):
Well, Jonesy, it was a sixty fifth birthday when Judith
summoned him into her office and laid it on the
line to him. You can imagine, I can imagine the
conversation because Judith Collins has got a good sense of humor.
Shane Jones is over the top with his sense of humor.
The point that he made in public was that, look,
he was born under a moon, and maybe he held

(01:18:25):
at the moon once too often. And it's true that
this High Court judge that he referred to was a
member of the Socialist Action League at some time, which
became the Communist League. But then that's in the past.
We all move on from what some of us had
in the past in terms of allegiance to particular ideologies.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Spose we do, Barry, Thank you very much, really appreciate
it very so for senior political correspondent. Wrapping the political week,
that was Hey, today was the deadline for counsels to
decide if they want to keep or ditch the Marty Wards.

Speaker 8 (01:18:57):
I've got it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
She got a little interesting thought on that question that
I asked, but we'll deal with it in attack. Sounds
like two of the people who died on that yacht
that sank off the coast of Sicily last month didn't
actually drown, They just ran out of oxygen. By the
sounds of things, that which is what people had thought
may have happened, was that some of the survivors may
have got themselves into a little air pocket in their

(01:19:18):
cabin and waited for help. Looks like these two did
in fact get themselves into an air pocket and obviously
would have just after time run out of oxygen and
therefore eventually perished unfortunately. And the reason we think this
is because the sources told the papers in the UK
that two of them didn't have any water in their
lungs or their trackie or their stomach, suggesting they didn't
breathe anything in and so yeah, it would have just

(01:19:39):
been death by I think it's called dry drowning. Six
twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
It's heathered duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to
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Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
There the twenty five here that we've got family and
the tourist business. They're perfectly happy with the one hundred
dollars charge. It happens all around the world. Also, our
main t urists come from visa waiver countries, no extra charges. Well,
I think you're wrong. Our main tourist certainly used to
come from China and that's not a visa waiver country
and they were paying the visa charges. So yeah, we'll
see how it goes down. Okay, so today is the
deadline by which time the councils had to decide whether

(01:20:16):
they were going to keep or ditch the Maori wards right,
and forty three out of forty five have decided they're
going to keep them, which means forty three of them
are going to go to referendum at the next local
body elections. Now I'm fascinated by this because I am
keen to see what impact this is going to have
on the council elections, because, as we know, council elections
notoriously have an extremely low turnout. Right, So the question

(01:20:41):
is is this going to actually mobilize more people to
actually vote at the next local body elections? And if
it does, how is that going to affect the shape
of what your council looks like. So, for example, if
you just use this like this is a broad generalization,
but if you assume that you sent a left voter
would prefer to keep the Mardi wards and you're sent
to right voe would prefer to get rid of them.

(01:21:02):
Which of them is going to turn Which of them
feels more strongly than the other about this right? Which
of them is going to turn out and actually vote,
and I aren't. I reckon it's going to be center
right voter. And the reason I think this is because
the councils have said we are keeping this ward, so
at the referendum, we're keeping it unless you ditch it,
which means there's a real motivating factor there for the

(01:21:25):
center right voter to come out and vote to get
rid of the Maori ward because now you vote really
counts right center left voters like are they going to
keep them? Said they keeping it anyway, but you center
right voter has to come out vote against it to
get rid of it. And that might be quite interesting
because in places like for example, Wellington, this the council
is notoriously left wing and crazy left wing, green green green,

(01:21:48):
left wing because they just can't get the right wing
voters to come out and vote for anything. At the
moment they get more of these young kiddies coming out,
like the students and stuff voting. So will it potentially
actually flip things in Wellington where maybe you've got all
of a sudden a reason for these people on the
right to come out of But I'd be fascinated. I
don't know the answer to that question. I actually would would.
I reckon that there'll be very few people in the

(01:22:10):
country who do know the answer to the question. But
I can guarantee you that both sides are going to
use this issue to try to mobilize the voters at
the next election, and I reckon it's going to have
a bigger effect on the center right vote.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
More importantly here there, we're always complaining about low turnouts
at local body elections. So if it does get a
big turnout, does that mean we should have a referendum?
Every time she gets the voter should.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Do something contentious every single time, like a let fifteen
year old smoke. Everybody will vote headline's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Next, whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
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Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
And Heather, you're right, it's going to be a big
turnout of the next local elections. I mean, look, it's
temporary expectations. A big turnout of the local body elections
still probably sub fifty percent, you know what I mean,
Because it's not like we care that much about it.
That's how people like Tori get in anyway. We'll see
what happens. I'm absolutely fascinated. Increasingly so. Gavin Gray is
going to be with US out of the UK very

(01:23:22):
very shortly. Right now, it's twenty four away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Now ever, do for see Ellen, Peter Lewis.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Our Asia business corresponds with US right now.

Speaker 7 (01:23:30):
Hey Peter, Hey, good evening, Heather.

Speaker 8 (01:23:33):
So what do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Is Biden going to block this US steel deal?

Speaker 7 (01:23:37):
It looks like it. I think it's a very political issue.
It's very hard to imagine that the grounds that it's
going to be blocked, which are really national security grounds,
are really a valid reason. But nevertheless, I think they
have to do it. It's ahead of the ahead of
the election. I mean, the problem is that this is

(01:23:59):
a takeover that may a lot of sense in many ways.
For US steel, it desperately needs investments. Unless it gets
that investment, the chances are there going to be a
lot of job losses. There's going to have to be
a lot of closures because a lot of the steel
plants need upgrading and they need the investment to be
able to do that. This is coming from a country

(01:24:20):
that's a close ally of the US, so really, it's
very hard to say that there are national security reasons
as to why Nippon Steel shouldn't take it over. And
it's bending over backwards to try and meet the requirements
that this is going to be American owned. It's doing
it to its US subsidiary, which has been in the

(01:24:40):
country for about fifty years now. It's going to have
American directors on the board. The company in effect will
be run by Americans. The only thing is that the
main shareholder will be Japanese and there are already many
shareholders in US Steel who are not American, so it
doesn't really make any sense at all to go and

(01:25:02):
block this transaction. But this is politics getting in the
way of common sense and good business.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
So what's the politics? What politics does it play here?

Speaker 7 (01:25:13):
Well, I think you know what they all want to show,
both Biden, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump is that they've
got the backs of critical industries or what they perceive
as being workers in critical industries. I mean, Kamala Harris
has said it to, you know, to the United steel
Workers Association, I'll be looking after you. I've got your

(01:25:33):
backs here. They need the votes. These are crucial sort
of unions that you know that both sides really need
endorsement from. So it's about getting votes here.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Yeah, okay, I see what you're doing here. It makes sense. Listen,
what's h Jinping promising Africa that it's going to buy
that he's going to buy everything.

Speaker 7 (01:25:53):
Is pledging fifty billion dollars in financial aid to Africa.
At the end of this summits there was about fifty
African nations represented at the summit. He also crucially is
going to exempt thirty three of the poorest countries in
Africa from paying any tariffs or duties at all on

(01:26:16):
exports to China. His promise that they're going to buy
all sorts of things. The problem is, at the last
forum that they had, which was back in twenty twenty one,
Shooting Ping promised to buy three hundred billion dollars worth
of African goods and that never happened. So there may
be some skepticism about whether this is going to happen again.

(01:26:40):
But I think Shooting Ping caes Africa as having some
vital strategic sort of issues there that will help China.
It's got a lot of raw materials and minerals that
China wants it's also a good export market for its
manufactured goods. Not quite so sure what African nations will

(01:27:02):
get out of this other than maybe some money and
some investments, but even that is declining at the moment
because China's economy is not in good shape, so it's
not making anything like the amounts of investments that it
used to make a few years ago, particularly when it
was promoting its belt and road strategy.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
I saw the other day, it might have been maybe
a week or two ago, that there was a Chinese
ship parked outside Cape Town and it was like it
was like a medical vessel and was offering all this
free medical care for people, which I thought was really
smart move from the Chinese because that would obviously foster
really good relations and kind of soften people up and
make them feel good about China. Is that generally what

(01:27:44):
it's like in Africa? Are they loving China?

Speaker 7 (01:27:48):
That is generally what it takes. I mean, they like
the idea of you know, these ships offshore. They like
the idea of China bringing investments. So China does have
a good name in Africa, and Africa feels it's been
let down by the West. I mean, the West has
made lots of promises in the past to Africa, but

(01:28:09):
really hasn't done an awful lot in terms of helping
African the African nations as a whole really move up
the development ladder and try and close some of that
vast gap between one are extremely poor countries, particularly in
Central Africa and developed countries. If anything, that's that poverty

(01:28:30):
gap has gotten worse. And also, you know, Africans are
very aware that Europeans and Americans don't want them in
their country as migrants or refugees. So no, the West
doesn't really have a great reputation in Africa, and this
is definitely a chance for China to try and fill

(01:28:50):
the gaps there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Fascinating stuff. A Hey, thank you so much. Peter has
always really appreciated talking to you. That's Peter Lewis out
Asia Business correspondent out of Hong Kong. Get a load
of this. Do you remember the brew haha? I think
it was last week at the start of this week,
might have been last week about the gang members who
turned up in their patches at the Hawks Bay Regional
Council and then did the hukka when the council voted
to keep the Mardy Wards, and the council didn't kick
them out even though they should have because the law

(01:29:13):
says you can't have patches in the council building. Blahlahlah,
I remember that. Well, the mongrel mob has spoken out
in defense of the Hawks Bay Regional Council. I don't
know about you, but I always feel when I'm in trouble,
I just love it when the gangs come out and
speak out of my defense. Anyway, So a mongrel mob leader,
anonymous for whatever reason, has written a letter to the council,

(01:29:34):
which was then read out loud by a councilor Thompson
Hooky Younger at a council meeting this week. Again Thompson
not sure about the pr strategy there mate. Anyway, The
mungey mob leader said it is unfair that the regional
councilors and their staff are at the center of the
public backlash. Oh, well, that will make us rethink it.
We didn't know, as we've never felt welcome in any

(01:29:55):
government building with or without a regalia. No one has
spoken to us about these laws.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
No one.

Speaker 3 (01:29:59):
What is the what is the law? Well, that's a
very existential question that I think that's deeper than we
can deal with on one radio show. Where does this
law apply in the council buildings? Mate? How is this
enforced by the police. Our police force doesn't even know
how to do this successfully, not yet. It hasn't been
very clear. And we want to ensure that Alfaro and
our Moukaporna are safe. At which point I was stoked

(01:30:22):
because I don't know about you, but it thrills me
no end that the mongrel mob is now keen on
keeping people safe. Seventeen away from seven everything.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Kevin Gray are UK correspondents with us. Hey Kevin, Hi,
there have that Gavin? What do we know about this
guy who was shot dead by the German police by
the Israeli consulate.

Speaker 23 (01:30:52):
Yeah, it's a really really interesting story, lots of different
angles coming out. He's been identified as an eighteen year
old Austrian national and he was hit during an exchange
of fire with officers and he was shot dead by police.
But police say he was spotted in the area carrying
a long firearm and say five officers exchanged fire with

(01:31:14):
their weapons. Now, the Israeli consulate was actually closed at
the time for a memorial service that was marking the
fifty second anniversary of the nineteen seventy two Munich Olympic
attacks by Palestinian militants that killed eleven Israeli athletes and
a police officer. At the time in it in obviously
a huge news story in a very sad attack, and

(01:31:36):
it's interesting of course that the anniversary is actually at
that particular point. Though at the moment they're saying they
really don't know the immediate motive behind the incident. It
might have been linked to the anniversary, it might be
linked to the situation in Israel and Gaza, and it
might not. But either way, Munich police chief is saying
that the man was armed with a vintage hunting rifle,

(01:31:59):
and German and media are reporting he was known to
security services on suspicion of supporting violent Islamist groups, though
police have declined so far to comment on those reports.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
Oh that's very interesting. Okay, Now the Harvey Weinstein meta,
I see the indecent assault charges in the UK have
been dropped.

Speaker 23 (01:32:17):
Why, Yeah, that appears to be that effectively. On the
UK side of things, they've been dropped quite simply because
the Crown Prosecution Service prosecutors here are saying there's no
realistic chance of actually getting a prosecution now from him.
This was a decision that obviously it's going to be

(01:32:40):
extremely controversial. There was one alleged victim in this country,
a woman now in her fifties, and it was for
alleged defenses back in nineteen ninety six. Of course, the
seventy two year old Weinstein was charged in twenty twenty
two with two counts of inde assault against a woman
in London, but that is all now being dropped. He's

(01:33:01):
currently in jail, of course, in New York for twenty
three years, where he was jailed three or four years
ago for the rape and sexual assault of a former
assistant and an actress. The identity of the complainant here
the victim here in the UK, we don't know, but
obviously one assumes there'll be disappointment there. But when something
is so long ago, nearly twenty years ago, those alleged offenses,

(01:33:23):
it makes it very difficult to prosecute it. But the
police and the prosecutors saying no chance of a realistic
outcome for.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
This now, given I'm fascinated by these big changes for
the House of Lords, I shouldn't be fascinated because it
was one of Labour's promises, But you reckon, they've got
the courage to do this.

Speaker 23 (01:33:39):
Yeah, I think they have, and they've also got the
numbers this time around as well, and I think possibly
some public sympathy. So back in nineteen ninety nine at
the last Labor government they revoked the seven hundred year
old right of all hereditary peers to sit in the
House of Lords. Hereditary peers are those who inherit their
titles through that their families, so it's who they are,

(01:34:02):
not what they've done or what they've achieved in their lives.
And it's always been really, really controversial. But of all
the hundreds of lords, ninety two was the compromise that
was left in nineteen ninety nine after quite a lot
of opposition. So there are ninety two left. No women incidentally,
in amongst that number, many of them quite elderly, and

(01:34:23):
Labour is saying, in potentially the biggest shakeup of Parliament
in more than a quarter of a century, right, we
are now going to abolish the last ninety two hereditary peers,
and in fact Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, has named
it known he would like to completely close the House
of Lords, replace it with an elected Assembly of the
Nations and regions, though that won't happen before the next election.

(01:34:47):
But I think bit by bit they are looking at
tackling these things. They also wantder retirement age of eighty
for members of the House of Lords. It was interesting
many who said this is a disgrace and we need
to have hereditary peers. Some were over ninety speaking in
its defense. So yeah, looking to replace that. If you're
wondering why, Heather, it's because many people don't think they

(01:35:08):
really should be getting the eight hundred and fifty New
Zealand dollars daily allowance for every day they attack.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
There's a lot of money. So how would it work.
Would would they basically let them work through until they're
eighty and then once they retire, that's it. You don't
get replaced.

Speaker 12 (01:35:24):
No.

Speaker 23 (01:35:25):
I think it's two separate ideas. They're going to basically
ban hereditary peers and then any peer that reaches the
age of eighty in the House of Lords is going
to be forced to retire as well, So two separate ideas.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
So if they're an hereditary peer at the moment, they
just get fired.

Speaker 11 (01:35:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:35:41):
I think that's I think that's the way he's looking
at it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Yeah, yeah, tough guy. Okay, thank you, I really appreciate it.
Gavin gray Ow UK, corresponding, enjoy you weekn mate, We'll
talk to you on Monday. So this would include the
Duke of Wellington, who is descended from the Duke of
Wellington who defeated Napoleon. That was his great great great grandfather.
He'd be sacked, Lord Ravensdale, the Great Great Oh no,
hold on, just the one great great grandson of Oswald

(01:36:04):
Mosley who obviously founded the British Union of Fascists in
nineteen thirty two. Cool the Earl Marshall and the Lord
Great Chamberlain. Both of them had actually been expected to
keep their seats because they have some ceremonial functions in
the state occasions. But they're also going to get the sack.
Tough guy right eight away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Six away from seven. Hey, I'm actually surprised that Gavin
didn't talk about this, because I know it loves a
little stonehe Hinge story. But there's been quite a twist
in the Stonehenge alter stone that came from Scotland story.
I don't if he into this stuff, but everybody was
making such a big deal about the fact that, wow,
it came from Scotland. Now because it's a mass of stone,
it's six tons, we were like, wow, they were way

(01:36:55):
cleverer than we thought that they work. Somehow they managed
to drag a six toneck six ton stone from Scotland
all the way through to Stonehenge. How did they Well,
we needn't have worried because it didn't come from there
after all. So you know, if it's too good to
be true, then it's too good to be true. Apparently
what's happened is the I only told this three weeks ago,
which blew our minds already because we thought the thing

(01:37:16):
had come from Whales. So first came from Wales, then
it came from Scotland. Now it didn't because the scientists
have had a look they've done. They've used these X
ray things, portable x rays they've taken there and look
at the stone and know the chemical and the mineralogical
makeup of the stone is completely different to the stones
in Orkney. So it did not come from Scotland. So
we're back to square one. We have no bloody idea
where the alter Stone came from.

Speaker 21 (01:37:37):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
I don't know about you, but I reckon I can
live with that, But I don't. I guess it's not
like it's not my field of expertise.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Under here. There's too many unanswered questions about Stonehenge. Already
we're already dealing with what is it, why did they
build it, what was it for?

Speaker 10 (01:37:52):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:37:53):
Though?

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
Who are they in the first?

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Who are they aliens? Obviously?

Speaker 8 (01:37:56):
Do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
Ants? How they got the stones to the remits though?

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Didn't they didn't they roll them up ramps or something,
nags and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
No, there were tributaries of the Nile, which we now
can see that we had all these little little bits
of the Nile that flowed through to the pyramids, so
they would float.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
Them down like big rafts.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Yeah, and now because of climate change, it's been going on.
Evidently for thousands of years the dried up.

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
Oh so no more pyramids, then that's a shame.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
No more pyramids.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
Think of it all by Alan Walker, Joe Jonas and
Julia Michaels to play us out tonight. This is brand spanking.
You just came out today. How long have we got?
Just under two minutes? Hither do you want to try
and name as many of eleven of the women that
Joe Jonas has been linked to romantically over the years
as you can go?

Speaker 3 (01:38:40):
Is he the one who just divorced the bird from
Game of Thrones?

Speaker 4 (01:38:43):
That's one correct, yep. Sophie Turner who plays Sants Step.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
That's literally the extent of my knowledge.

Speaker 4 (01:38:48):
Man, okay, I thought you might get Taylor Swift as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
No, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
Demi Levato. There is a reasonably famous one. The rest
gg Hadeed, and then the rest of them are I
don't really know, Stormy Bree Blunder, Eganschwieler, Ashley Green, Camilla
Camilla Bell, Ajmcholka, and way back in the beginning, Mandy
van Dine.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
There we go. Definitely the list started strong and then
Pete it out.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
But it's still to be fair. If I had Taylor
Swift on you probably just stop there.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, okay cool. Thank you
for that answer. You've learned something new every day, obviously
for me about Joe Jonas and for answer about the pyramids.
Here you go, have a lovely weekend. See you on Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
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