September 10, 2024 • 11 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Nick Mills from ZB's Wellington Mornings and Toby Manhire from the Spinoff joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Courts will be able to ban gang members from wearing patches in the home thanks to an amendment the Government made to the bill. Is this a step too far?
Winstone Pulp International announced its pulp and saw mills in the Ruapehu District will close indefinitely - putting more than 200 people out of work. Should the Government have gotten involved and saved the mills?
Are we getting too gloomy? A new piece by Pattrick Smellie from BusinessDesk says New Zealand's gotten too unhappy recently. Are we right to complain about the economic and social issues?
The Australian Government is looking at banning social media for kids, with legislation to arrive by the end of the year? Is this the right move?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty on paralleled
reach and results.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On the Huddle with Us is even Who've Got? Toby
Manhar of the spinoff Nick Mill's host of Wellington Mornings
here on zid BE.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Hello you too, Hello, good evening, Toby.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What do you think does it need to go back?
Does it need to be changed? Does it need to
be removed?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
We're talking here about the gang patch. Well, well, there
are two parts to it, don't they. I mean the
process seems the most worrying one, and coming back on
the on the back of some of the changes to
do with the firearms laws. I do think there's a
problem with process. And yeah, it does seem like the
sort of thing that should be up for public scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Is your problem with the process, Toby, that it feels
like the government is doing a whole bunch of stuff,
ramming it through without consultation.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Well, I do think it's starting to look like a pattern.
It does seem like the kind of thing that that
needs to be up for up for public scrutiny, up
for transparency.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Nick?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I think for it? I agree with Toby one hundred percent.
But I also think that it's the most stupidous thing
I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I mean, how the hell are you going to ban
a person from having a patch in their home. I mean,
now we're starting to get really nippicky, and you've got
to be convicted four times before they're going to come
in and take it away from you. I mean, this
is all getting We've got bigger fish to fry than
worrying about whether a guy's been had up three times
for wearing a gang patch out and whether he's.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Got it at his home on his fourth time.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I mean, to me, it's thinking of like, really, have
we really got to that level?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah? I think Nick, you're probably onto something here, which
is that perfectly good things are being ruined with some
stupid things in there, right, I mean, come.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
On, give us a break.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And the worry is the worry is that you will
have a situation where that will be used as a
pretext for other things. And then you get into these
kind of civil liberties areas.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Don't you get the feeling that that is exactly why
it's in there.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well, if so, then, as you point out, a compromises
the principle on which the game patch thing is based,
which is we you know, it's not about cracking down
on people who want to express themselves in particular ways
of private. It's about cracking down on people who use
intimidatory tactics in public.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, okay, hey listen, Yeah, and we're.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Not going to decide what people were in their bedrooms,
are we.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Look, I have to be honest with you, though, Nick,
I do feel like that's slightly a red herring, Like
it doesn't feel to me like they are going to
go and police. Whether you know, Harry from the Mungrel
Mob is wearing his patch in his bedroom, it's more
about having the ability to go in and seize that
patch because he's probably going to wear it to an
event tomorrow. I understand what he's done it repeatedly.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
My comment is just, really, are we really getting to
that sort of stage when we've got so many other
issues in our country?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Look, I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody
who thinks this is a good idea. So I think
that tells you everything you need to know about it. Toby,
do you think that to a peer who district is stuffed? Like,
is this the end of the road for them.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Oh, it's so sad, it's so terribly sad. And they've
also had all sorts of knocks around ski fields and otherwise.
And you look at a Hakuni and it's a real struggling,
fantastic town. And it just goes back to this point
about the way that our electricity markets are set up,
that those that those prices could go sore up and
(03:14):
then collapse down in such short time. And it's a
real tragedy that this hasn't been dealt with by consecutive governments.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Frankly, what do you you mean in terms of the
power prices, like having fixed the problem aging.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Spot prices, the way the spot prices work, And that's
what killed them, right, That's what's killed the Winstone things,
is that the prices are so and that's why you
know when you look down at t Y they've got
this crazy incredible deal by holding the government to ransom.
But and in between would be sorting a system where
you can't have spot electricity prices going up by seven
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, it's a busy. It's come to it, a nick.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I've got a simple theory to it all. Really, the
electricity thing is really out of control. Right, the government
of holds the power of everything with electricity.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Let's be really perfectly clear about it.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Why don't they actually give interest free loans to every
New Zealander to put bloom in the greenhouse glass things
on top of their roofs, and let solar panels, Yeah,
solar panels and make it much more simple.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I mean, I'm really starting to get this is really bad.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
The fact that a company has to close down because
they can't get power supply at an affordable rate.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean, that is really bad, isn't it this. We're
not the third World yet, an't we?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, but we're getting there, aren't we, Toby.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I just think I just think governments of both stripes
have got a lot to answer for here. The system
hasn't been working for a long time, and it's just
really sad that there are a whole bunch of people
who you won't blame them. The first and that be
doing is getting on a plane to Australia.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah too, right. The Well, okay, guys, we'll come back
to you very shortly and we'll talk about whether we
are actually going backwards into third world status and being
too gloomy about.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, exceptional
marketing for every property here.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
The energy prices didn't kill the Mills. Get real. It's
far deeper than that, Barry. You make a good point.
It is also obviously the pulp prices, but it is
also the energy prices. Back with the Huddle, Nick Mills
and Toby man High. Nick, do you think Patrick Smelly
is right in saying we're too gloomy and we need
to cheer up one hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I'm really been trying to do that on my show.
I'm even trying to work out one of the good
things that were out there, because there is you know,
we've just had two fabulous days of weather or Wellington
and I just want to walk down the street and go, yay,
summer's coming.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Let's start smiling, Let's start and enjoy.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
We're at a tough time, we're still there, but let's
smile about it. You know, whenever you feel really down
and you smile, no matter how down you feel, you
feel better when you smile.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You're about to break into song.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
There, this is great.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know what, when you're finished with your job, Nick,
you can become a motivational speaker, and that can literally
just be the thing that you go around telling people, Toby,
what do you reckon? I mean, look, we are gloomy.
The question is are we unjustifiably gloomy or is it justified?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Well, it's great to have Patrick Smelly back on Big
Smelly Head myself, although whether or not he got an
accurate version on his extended six months, I don't know
from everyone. You know, people don't people who come here
won't necessarily hear us complaining. And if you go to
the UK, I bet they're complaining in private, maybe just
not to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, good point.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So this so there's a little bit of this kind
of but but you know, it's a bit like that
John Clark. We don't know how lucky we are. I
think that's true. I think that's a good point. I
think it is worth worth remembering that actually we have
an enormous amount of vantages. I wouldn't want to live
in any other country in the world.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
No, do you have anything what neck Oh gosh, put
me in Melbourne tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
In Melbourne tomorrow, personality Nick saying we've got to be happy.
But then you want to move to Melbourne.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Is he wants he wants to be happy on a
Melbourne radio station.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I think I'd be happier Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You why.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I think free transport around the city, and the city
is trying to get ahead and try to help everyone
become more successful. We've got better willing to We've got
this council of doing exactly the same thing in Willington,
but we just haven't felt fallen in love with them yet.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
No, but your counsel sucks. I mean, I feel for you.
So that really is a difficult situation. But do you
think what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I mean, are we justified in being as gloomy as
we are because it actually as bad as we think.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah, I think it is quite bad, and I think
that we are justified that it is tough.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
But we've got to fight away out of it.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
You know what I started about two weeks ago because
everything was coming at me. Business is tough, I'm in hospitals.
Everything's coming at me in every way. And then I
started saying to myself, Okay, I'll bottom down.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I know you're going to say I'm sounding like a
motivational speaker, but I've bottomed.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Down so everything.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Now I'm going to put a positive spin on you know,
the things that hit you in the between the eyes.
You think that's something in the last twenty five minutes,
and I'll feel fine again.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, let's get going again.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Hey, it has been really tough, but if we don't
change our attitude, it'll carry on.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Do you know what I've been doing is before I
go to sleep at night, I tell myself I'm grateful
for three things, and then in the morning I take
Vitamin D. Do you want to try that?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
When I go to bed at night, I pray for
something to happen to me. If it doesn't happen very often,
what is that good night's slute? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, well you and I have got a we can
talk to each other about that because I've got a toddler. Hey, Deby,
I'm not entirely speaking of kids. I'm not entirely sure
that banning kids from social media is the answer.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Oh, this is the Australian government moving towards under fourteen.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
You're interesting, isn't it that? I mean, obviously everyone here.
I think just about everyone I talked to thinks that
the banning of social banning of phones and schools was
a triumph and so that's a step in the right direction.
We've talked about this before, it's impact on kids. I
don't know if banning it's the answer. I don't know
if this is practical, But the thing I would do
(08:39):
is make it mandatory for devices to have a really
accessible and clear facility for parents to set a limit,
you know, and to be able to be able to
monitor what their kids are doing, because that's that's where
the worry is to me, is when the kids disappear
for ages and who knows where they are or what
new social media site surfing.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, that's a good point. That would help, wouldn't it, Nick,
if you know what the kids are doing on the phone.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
The issue is and I work with a lot of
young people in my other job, right, all people in
their early twenties, and that when I brought this up
today in a group of about ten people, they all
just laughed.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
They said, how the hell are they get to beat?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I said, Australia's banning in Australia's banning, hell, tell us
how I don't believe there's any way, And like you
think about it with your own family, if you've got
a ten or twelve year old kid and he's not
allowed to use it till he's fourteen. Dad sets them
up and he just used it under dad's name. It's
not it's absolutely not forcible at all.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
No, I think I think probably, actually, Toby. The only
thing you can do is sort of in the same
way that you teach the kids how to be safe
around water, and how to be safe around roads, how
to be safe around the internet.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, and that's why I think we need to be
It's you know, in schools, my kids are getting lots
of sessions on what they need to look out for.
It's probably that us, the parents, who really need the
sessions so that we can learn what the tools are
that me we can monitor what our kids are doing
because they're still young, they're still impressionable, and there is
some seriously dangerous stuff out there.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Too, right. Hey.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Fortunately, the government spent thirty three million dollars with US
company trying to sort that out so that people couldn't
do the stuff on the schools.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And we've just had a report out that said that
they could see porn and stuff. Oh yeah, shouldn't be
seeing it in school.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
See, the kids even in schools the kids find a
way around it. Toby, congrats The spin Office. Ten Is
it today?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
It is today? Yeah, it is today. It's crazy crazy,
isn't it. Yeah, a little little TV blog that grew
into into an unseemly forest in this day and age.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Unseemly forests in this day and age. It's a wonder
if anybody in the media survives. So to actually grow
up in the media at the moment is pretty amazing.
Well done. Hey, thank you guys appreciated. Nick Mill's host
of Wellington Mornings and Toby man High the spinoff. I've
got to tell you about this Apple stuff. What Apple's
unveiled Today's actually quite cool.
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reach and results.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
On the Huddle with Us is even Who've Got? Toby
Manhar of the spinoff Nick Mill's host of Wellington Mornings
here on zid BE.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Hello you too, Hello, good evening, Toby.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What do you think does it need to go back?
Does it need to be changed? Does it need to
be removed?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
We're talking here about the gang patch. Well, well, there
are two parts to it, don't they. I mean the
process seems the most worrying one, and coming back on
the on the back of some of the changes to
do with the firearms laws. I do think there's a
problem with process. And yeah, it does seem like the
sort of thing that should be up for public scrutiny.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Is your problem with the process, Toby, that it feels
like the government is doing a whole bunch of stuff,
ramming it through without consultation.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Well, I do think it's starting to look like a pattern.
It does seem like the kind of thing that that
needs to be up for up for public scrutiny, up
for transparency.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, what do you reckon, Nick?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I think for it? I agree with Toby one hundred percent.
But I also think that it's the most stupidous thing
I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I mean, how the hell are you going to ban
a person from having a patch in their home. I mean,
now we're starting to get really nippicky, and you've got
to be convicted four times before they're going to come
in and take it away from you. I mean, this
is all getting We've got bigger fish to fry than
worrying about whether a guy's been had up three times
for wearing a gang patch out and whether he's.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Got it at his home on his fourth time.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
I mean, to me, it's thinking of like, really, have
we really got to that level?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah? I think Nick, you're probably onto something here, which
is that perfectly good things are being ruined with some
stupid things in there, right, I mean, come.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
On, give us a break.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
And the worry is the worry is that you will
have a situation where that will be used as a
pretext for other things. And then you get into these
kind of civil liberties areas.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Don't you get the feeling that that is exactly why
it's in there.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Well, if so, then, as you point out, a compromises
the principle on which the game patch thing is based,
which is we you know, it's not about cracking down
on people who want to express themselves in particular ways
of private. It's about cracking down on people who use
intimidatory tactics in public.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, okay, hey listen, Yeah, and we're.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Not going to decide what people were in their bedrooms,
are we.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Look, I have to be honest with you, though, Nick,
I do feel like that's slightly a red herring, Like
it doesn't feel to me like they are going to
go and police. Whether you know, Harry from the Mungrel
Mob is wearing his patch in his bedroom, it's more
about having the ability to go in and seize that
patch because he's probably going to wear it to an
event tomorrow. I understand what he's done it repeatedly.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
My comment is just, really, are we really getting to
that sort of stage when we've got so many other
issues in our country?
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Look, I think you'd be hard pressed to find somebody
who thinks this is a good idea. So I think
that tells you everything you need to know about it. Toby,
do you think that to a peer who district is stuffed? Like,
is this the end of the road for them.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Oh, it's so sad, it's so terribly sad. And they've
also had all sorts of knocks around ski fields and otherwise.
And you look at a Hakuni and it's a real struggling,
fantastic town. And it just goes back to this point
about the way that our electricity markets are set up,
that those that those prices could go sore up and
(03:14):
then collapse down in such short time. And it's a
real tragedy that this hasn't been dealt with by consecutive governments.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Frankly, what do you you mean in terms of the
power prices, like having fixed the problem aging.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Spot prices, the way the spot prices work, And that's
what killed them, right, That's what's killed the Winstone things,
is that the prices are so and that's why you
know when you look down at t Y they've got
this crazy incredible deal by holding the government to ransom.
But and in between would be sorting a system where
you can't have spot electricity prices going up by seven
hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah, it's a busy. It's come to it, a nick.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
I've got a simple theory to it all. Really, the
electricity thing is really out of control. Right, the government
of holds the power of everything with electricity.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Let's be really perfectly clear about it.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
Why don't they actually give interest free loans to every
New Zealander to put bloom in the greenhouse glass things
on top of their roofs, and let solar panels, Yeah,
solar panels and make it much more simple.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I mean, I'm really starting to get this is really bad.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
The fact that a company has to close down because
they can't get power supply at an affordable rate.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean, that is really bad, isn't it this. We're
not the third World yet, an't we?
Speaker 4 (04:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, but we're getting there, aren't we, Toby.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
I just think I just think governments of both stripes
have got a lot to answer for here. The system
hasn't been working for a long time, and it's just
really sad that there are a whole bunch of people
who you won't blame them. The first and that be
doing is getting on a plane to Australia.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah too, right. The Well, okay, guys, we'll come back
to you very shortly and we'll talk about whether we
are actually going backwards into third world status and being
too gloomy about.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, exceptional
marketing for every property here.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
The energy prices didn't kill the Mills. Get real. It's
far deeper than that, Barry. You make a good point.
It is also obviously the pulp prices, but it is
also the energy prices. Back with the Huddle, Nick Mills
and Toby man High. Nick, do you think Patrick Smelly
is right in saying we're too gloomy and we need
to cheer up one hundred percent?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I'm really been trying to do that on my show.
I'm even trying to work out one of the good
things that were out there, because there is you know,
we've just had two fabulous days of weather or Wellington
and I just want to walk down the street and go, yay,
summer's coming.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Let's start smiling, Let's start and enjoy.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
We're at a tough time, we're still there, but let's
smile about it. You know, whenever you feel really down
and you smile, no matter how down you feel, you
feel better when you smile.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You're about to break into song.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
There, this is great.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know what, when you're finished with your job, Nick,
you can become a motivational speaker, and that can literally
just be the thing that you go around telling people, Toby,
what do you reckon? I mean, look, we are gloomy.
The question is are we unjustifiably gloomy or is it justified?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Well, it's great to have Patrick Smelly back on Big
Smelly Head myself, although whether or not he got an
accurate version on his extended six months, I don't know
from everyone. You know, people don't people who come here
won't necessarily hear us complaining. And if you go to
the UK, I bet they're complaining in private, maybe just
not to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, good point.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
So this so there's a little bit of this kind
of but but you know, it's a bit like that
John Clark. We don't know how lucky we are. I
think that's true. I think that's a good point. I
think it is worth worth remembering that actually we have
an enormous amount of vantages. I wouldn't want to live
in any other country in the world.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
No, do you have anything what neck Oh gosh, put
me in Melbourne tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
In Melbourne tomorrow, personality Nick saying we've got to be happy.
But then you want to move to Melbourne.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Is he wants he wants to be happy on a
Melbourne radio station.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I think I'd be happier Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
You why.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
I think free transport around the city, and the city
is trying to get ahead and try to help everyone
become more successful. We've got better willing to We've got
this council of doing exactly the same thing in Willington,
but we just haven't felt fallen in love with them yet.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
No, but your counsel sucks. I mean, I feel for you.
So that really is a difficult situation. But do you
think what do you reckon?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Nick?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I mean, are we justified in being as gloomy as
we are because it actually as bad as we think.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Yeah, I think it is quite bad, and I think
that we are justified that it is tough.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
But we've got to fight away out of it.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
You know what I started about two weeks ago because
everything was coming at me. Business is tough, I'm in hospitals.
Everything's coming at me in every way. And then I
started saying to myself, Okay, I'll bottom down.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I know you're going to say I'm sounding like a
motivational speaker, but I've bottomed.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Down so everything.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Now I'm going to put a positive spin on you know,
the things that hit you in the between the eyes.
You think that's something in the last twenty five minutes,
and I'll feel fine again.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah, let's get going again.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Hey, it has been really tough, but if we don't
change our attitude, it'll carry on.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Do you know what I've been doing is before I
go to sleep at night, I tell myself I'm grateful
for three things, and then in the morning I take
Vitamin D. Do you want to try that?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
When I go to bed at night, I pray for
something to happen to me. If it doesn't happen very often,
what is that good night's slute? Oh?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, well you and I have got a we can
talk to each other about that because I've got a toddler. Hey, Deby,
I'm not entirely speaking of kids. I'm not entirely sure
that banning kids from social media is the answer.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Oh, this is the Australian government moving towards under fourteen.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Man.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
You're interesting, isn't it that? I mean, obviously everyone here.
I think just about everyone I talked to thinks that
the banning of social banning of phones and schools was
a triumph and so that's a step in the right direction.
We've talked about this before, it's impact on kids. I
don't know if banning it's the answer. I don't know
if this is practical, But the thing I would do
(08:39):
is make it mandatory for devices to have a really
accessible and clear facility for parents to set a limit,
you know, and to be able to be able to
monitor what their kids are doing, because that's that's where
the worry is to me, is when the kids disappear
for ages and who knows where they are or what
new social media site surfing.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, that's a good point. That would help, wouldn't it, Nick,
if you know what the kids are doing on the phone.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
The issue is and I work with a lot of
young people in my other job, right, all people in
their early twenties, and that when I brought this up
today in a group of about ten people, they all
just laughed.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
They said, how the hell are they get to beat?
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I said, Australia's banning in Australia's banning, hell, tell us
how I don't believe there's any way, And like you
think about it with your own family, if you've got
a ten or twelve year old kid and he's not
allowed to use it till he's fourteen. Dad sets them
up and he just used it under dad's name. It's
not it's absolutely not forcible at all.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
No, I think I think probably, actually, Toby. The only
thing you can do is sort of in the same
way that you teach the kids how to be safe
around water, and how to be safe around roads, how
to be safe around the internet.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Yeah, and that's why I think we need to be
It's you know, in schools, my kids are getting lots
of sessions on what they need to look out for.
It's probably that us, the parents, who really need the
sessions so that we can learn what the tools are
that me we can monitor what our kids are doing
because they're still young, they're still impressionable, and there is
some seriously dangerous stuff out there.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Too, right. Hey.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Fortunately, the government spent thirty three million dollars with US
company trying to sort that out so that people couldn't
do the stuff on the schools.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And we've just had a report out that said that
they could see porn and stuff. Oh yeah, shouldn't be
seeing it in school.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
See, the kids even in schools the kids find a
way around it. Toby, congrats The spin Office. Ten Is
it today?
Speaker 4 (10:24):
It is today? Yeah, it is today. It's crazy crazy,
isn't it. Yeah, a little little TV blog that grew
into into an unseemly forest in this day and age.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Unseemly forests in this day and age. It's a wonder
if anybody in the media survives. So to actually grow
up in the media at the moment is pretty amazing.
Well done. Hey, thank you guys appreciated. Nick Mill's host
of Wellington Mornings and Toby man High the spinoff. I've
got to tell you about this Apple stuff. What Apple's
unveiled Today's actually quite cool.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
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