Full Show Podcast: 12 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.
Heather duplessy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get
connected and news talk as they'd.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Be good afternoon. Coming up on the show today, Health
New Zealand is going to use private hospitals to get
surgeries done. That's one way they're planning to meet the
government's five health targets. We when I have chat to
them about it. Wayne Brown's new bridge idea for Auckland
is getting attention. Is it crazy or realistic? We'll find out.
And apparently Google is so cross about the government's law

(00:35):
to try to force them to pay companies media companies
that is that they're actually threatening to leave the country altogether.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Heather duplessy Ellen, I.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Want to give you my answer to a question somebody
asked me today. This is post the debate yesterday, the
presidential debate. Why would anyone vote for someone as dumb
as Donald Trump. That's the question that was asked of me.
And they asked me specifically in relation to him saying
that in Springfield, Ohio, they're eating the doll they're eating
the cats, they're eating the pets of the people that

(01:03):
live there.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Is thisly not a hard one for me to answer
for you, I reckon it's pretty simple. There are Trump supporters,
not all of them, but some of them, I think
quite a few of them who don't think that he's wrong.
And the reason I think that is because, in part
what got me thinking about this was yesterday when we
were talking about that particular comment on the show, we
got so many texts from listeners saying, Donald Trump's right.

(01:26):
Don't know what's the problem. Here's a link to the footage,
Here's a link to some proof online. Everyone knows it's happening.
It's just the MSM who don't report it. What's happened
in the US, and we are absolutely seeing this happen
here as well. Is that trust in what legacy media
report is now so low that when the media fact
checks someone like Donald Trump, there are people out there

(01:47):
who believe that the media are the ones who are wrong,
and actually people like Donald Trump are right. And what
these people do is they go on the Internet to
do their own research and they find just enough proof
out there to make them believe that, yeah, maybe he's right.
In the pets case. For example, if you go on
and do your own research, you will find that there
are reports that someone in Springfield had in fact posted

(02:09):
on a private Springfield Facebook page that their daughter's friend's
cat had been butchered and strung up by the Haitian neighbors.
And that particular report from that Facebook page has done
the rounds and it's been reported as fact by some
and as a result, that is enough for Donald Trump
to be right. That is why Donald Trump keeps on
repeating the claim that there are some states that allow

(02:29):
abortions at full term, because there is just enough information
out there on the Internet for some people to believe
him when he says that, believe he's right, and ignore
the media when the media say he's wrong. Now, that
should answer your question if you wonder why anyone is
dumb enough to support Trump, because they simply don't trust
the media anymore and the Internet provides heaps of alternative facts.
Do you know what else is important here? The media

(02:52):
coverage of that comment in the last twenty four hours
is basically making fun of him. Is not going to
hurt him, because we expect Donald Trump to say stupid things.
With this guy's been around long enough. We've got used
to him. It doesn't hurt him when he says stupid things.
What are we talking about today? Are we talking about
Kamala Harris's safe and pretty regular politician performance in the debate? No,
we're not. We're talking about Donald Trump and what he said.

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And that is how he won the twenty sixteen election
by outraging the media so much that they gave him
hours of free publicity. And what are they doing this
time around? Exactly the same thing together?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Do for see Allen, by the.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Way, on exactly how this all came to be, that
this rumor has done the rounds logan Church US correspondent
is going to be with us at about quarter past
five and explain it to us. Right now, it's eleven
past four nine two nine two is the text number.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
A massive film production is coming to New Zealand. Amazon
and MGM will primarily be shooting The Wreck and Crew.
This is the film The Wreck and Crew, which stars
Jason Momore, Dave Batista and Temawarera Morrison in the city
of Sales and Auckland is because it's expected to be
the biggest production made here in New Zealand since The
Lord of the Rings TV show buggered off to the UK.
Hell is chief executive of Tartuki Auckland Unlimited and is

(04:03):
with us now.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Hey, Nick, hi, Heather.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
How big a deal is this for Auckland.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
It is a big deal and the timing couldn't be
better given the challenges that we've had economically.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, how long is it going to be here for?

Speaker 4 (04:20):
They'll probably film for two to three months, but they'll
employ about fourteen hundred people. Yeah, and it will be
all over the region. So I think it will be
very visible to people.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
And it's where are they filming that tell us?

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Well, they will certainly film in the city center, but
also other parts around the region. And so I think
Auckland will actually get to show itself off in a
major movie.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
So we're going to be able to fill our eyes
with Jason Momore in real life.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Well we are, and maybe Eve in some car chases
around our streets.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Much less interesting to the ladies, Nick, much less interesting.
Of the fourteen hundred, how many of them are that
we basically they're using our crew, they're not bringing their own.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
A large number of them will be local, if not,
if not most of them. We have very good crews
here that are definitely international, and we've become very used
to working on these international productions.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Now, I don't want to be ungrateful because you know,
three months is three months, but three months is also
just three months. Is there anything after that?

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (05:28):
So the pipeline at the moment is actually very strong.
But the challenge with these things is they're all projects,
so they all kind of have an ending. But we're
doing really well because of the US dollar and Auckland
and New Zealand is considered absolutely first rate for making

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these sorts of films. So right now the situation looks
very good.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
So is this a.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Case now if I look at this and I say, okay,
Auckland is now the place where we do the filming,
not so much Wellington. Is that fair?

Speaker 7 (06:02):
No?

Speaker 4 (06:03):
I mean we're Aukland's about sixty percent of the screen industry.
It's always had a role, but Wellington's are also important,
and New Zealand itself a relatively small part of the
international market, so on the whole we're actually selling New
Zealand rather than Auckland or Wellington. And there's always competition
for studio space when these big productions come along.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Nick, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much,
Nick Kell of Auckland Unlimited. He's the chief executive there
here that with due respect, stop calling me and people
like me dumb. David. Oh that's from David. I thought
he was calling me David. No, David, I await your apology, David.
Sorry for saying that you're dumb. I had. We've had
this discussion in the like in our team today quite

(06:46):
a lot. I do not think people who vote for
Donald Trump are dumb. I think that there are some
people who vote for Donald Trump who are dumb, but
it's the same for everybody, Like there are people who
vote for Annyboy across the entire spectrum who are dumb
and just vote dumbly. I think that it's so so complicated.
I feel like I'm about to dig myself a giant hole.
Can I just stop talking about it. I don't think
you're dumb. I don't think you're dumb. I was saying

(07:08):
he's dumb, just just to be absolutely clear. Speaking of which,
moving on very swiftly before I do dig a giant
hole here. Did you see the story about the former
Miss Switzerland competitor whose husband killed her and put her
in the blender. Now have a listened to this? Okay,
So she's a former finalist for Miss Switzerland. He, the husband,
allegedly strangled her and then chopped her up with a
jigsaw and garden. She is in the laundry, of all places,

(07:31):
which is actually the right place to do it if
you're going to do it the laundry or the bathroom
for obvious reasons. Then he pured her in a blender
and then he dissolved her in chemicals. Now he reckons,
he reckons. This was all in self defense. She had
tried to attack him with a knife, so he had
to do it. But I feel like this might be obvious, right,
but I feel like maybe it's not because he did this.

(07:53):
If you kill somebody in self defense, don't put them
in the blender, because if you go to the effort
of putting them in the blender, no one's going to
believe your story, and no one believes her story.

Speaker 8 (08:03):
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Speaker 9 (08:18):
I'm going to make a fortune this weekend.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Why do you what? What on?

Speaker 10 (08:23):
What on?

Speaker 9 (08:24):
What?

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Well?

Speaker 9 (08:25):
Actually UFC is always interesting to throw a few bucks on,
but I live when I was going to make a fortune.
There's a guy O'Malley who's fantastic to watch the only
band like tiny like sixty something cage Gee. I could
take him on What News watch them? I don't think
you'd want to. But he's only paying a dollar seventy
two to win against the sky de Velosmili who's paying

(08:46):
two fifteen, So that's probably too tight to go putting
a wholem of money on. But for me, it's the
excitement of watching it to see you're going to win
or lose, but the fight itself is going to be amazing.
This O'Malley is one of the best strikers you'll see.
Super skinny, really really really long arms, and he targets people.
He knows where they're button is, so he touches them
a bit, sees where it is, and he can throw

(09:08):
punches at the strangest angles out of anywhere.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Is he from Ireland?

Speaker 9 (09:12):
Absolutely well, I think he's got Irish blood, but he's
an American. He's got a great backstory if you want
to look at some old UFC documentaries. The trouble is
Vashavili gets him on the deck, could be a real problem.
He might be able to get up. He's got a
good background TA one no, but whether he can we
don't know. So tight so maybe not a lot of

(09:34):
money to be made. But I kind of like to
bet from time to time to the tab. I might
add I am over eighteen, which you have to be,
and I will bet responsibly. It's just because it adds
a bit of that extra pep.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
You know when it.

Speaker 9 (09:48):
Still when? So that's me this weekend.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Do you know what what is interesting to watch the cricket?

Speaker 9 (09:55):
Why? What's interesting about watching rain?

Speaker 2 (09:57):
What the hell's going on?

Speaker 11 (09:58):
This is?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Dave?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Are we going to give up on this?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Well?

Speaker 9 (10:01):
I thought we should have given up after day two,
even earlier.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Okay, why did they? Why did they schedule a game
like this at the end of the season of rain?

Speaker 9 (10:11):
Well, you see, the monsoon season apparently finishes mid August,
and of course you can always predict the vagaries.

Speaker 12 (10:17):
Of mons.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Them not actually the rain season. It's like, well passed it.

Speaker 13 (10:22):
I cut two weeks or three weeks get.

Speaker 9 (10:27):
Predicted anything on that or what it is is Afghanistan
had the opportunity to go to the places that we
want to go here. It's been given the rubber stamp
by the bccis being a place you can play cricket
at and then it rained and then it wouldn't dry up.
So there were close to a big f gunny community.
So we need to go there, close to the nice hotel.

(10:48):
So I thought, you know, we're going to go there.
Absolutely does a black eye as well for the BCCI.
It's there, I think in totally got thirty test venues
or have done over the years. I don't know how
many still going about fourteen fifteen, well yeah, I think
the twelfth current one, but there's been a whole lot more.
But to say that's okay, no warrant of fitness, No,

(11:09):
that's ridiculous, and they're getting.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, okay, now do we know what the sports minister
read the trans thing that Jave Gerard and the other
Olympians raised yesterday. Do we know what the sports minister
is going to do here?

Speaker 9 (11:22):
You never know what ministers are going to do. You've
been in this trade long enough haven't you.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
He just sounded a bit vague like he was like, yeah,
we're going to put fairness in along with inclusivity. Well
that's very subjective, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (11:33):
I think the key thing out of this is that
guidelines in place so the sporting bodies can actually make
a decision. Because the sporting bodies, and there's a number
of them, actually don't have any guidelines around engaging trans athletes.
That to means alarming. Look some of the lines that

(11:53):
they've crossed. People say they don't go far enough or
they go too far, but at least they've got them there,
so you've got an idea. It's like, here is our line,
here are the rules. This is what you can and
can't do. Agree or disagree. At least we know when
sports don't have that, it's manifests the unfair for everybody.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 9 (12:13):
It's not a punch down on transgender people saying we
want these things in place, especially for physical sports, for
athletes that transitioned after puberty as males to females and
striking sports. And they're like, yeah, rugby, yeah I get that. Absolutely,
they need to have something that's fair and in place.
It's imbalance. So I don't think it's an attack on
the trans community. I think just people need to be

(12:35):
told where the lines are.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Well everybody else, you know, even the trans athletes, they
can participate on it.

Speaker 9 (12:40):
And I think the interesting about this as well is
that the percentage of athletes who engage who are trans,
I would say, be very very very very small. So
I don't think it affects a huge amount of people.
And sometimes you feel they make too much the anti
trans the pro females about this when it's really quite more.

(13:00):
But guidelines, guidelines, and I think you need them in place.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Thank you, Darcy, appreciate it. What is what's on my self?

Speaker 9 (13:05):
Identification doesn't work when it comes to something like.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Boss, are you talking about this tonight?

Speaker 9 (13:10):
No, I'm actually going to talk about something completely different,
which is I'm going to talk about the need for
personality and sports people. After what we saw today with
King Charles and a number of blokes sports you don't
is it important, yes, to engage with the athletes as
sports people or.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Is it We'll see this is going to get me
fired up.

Speaker 9 (13:32):
We love the fact that the black Ferns.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Do this, and then we look at the All Blacks
and go it's just beige brigade. It is.

Speaker 9 (13:39):
But what's more important? Is it their results or is
it how they present as human beings? And I'd suggest
the All Blacks have been so successful no one cares
that they're boring. No, we do as soon as they
start losing people hold a personality.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
All right, got to go, bring up Darcy. Can't wait
for the show, Darcy water Grave seven o'clock. He is
going to hook into this one sports talk for twenty
three dupile.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Cy Ellen, cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's hither duper c Allen Drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected and news talk as they'd be here.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I am going to present you with evidence of what
I said at the start of the program. Herether This
is from John. The Trump story is very similar to Noah.
They all said that he was wrong and then it
rained and all the fact checkers drowned. See Trump can
say whatever he likes. People will be like, yep, there'll
be some evidence on the Internet that backs him up
and says he's right. Hey. Oh, by the way, listen
on the Black Ferns. If you haven't seen the black ferns.

(14:33):
The video of the black ferns cuddling King Charles. You've
got to look at it as the cutest thing that
you will see today. It's on the Telegraph, the Telegraph
website in the UK. The app well, if you open
it will always feature one video as you scroll through.
It just has a video which loops and plays for
you while before you even click the link. That's the
video today. That is their featured video. Is King Charles

(14:54):
standing there going a hug, well why not? And then
getting swarmed by all these girls. Away was at the
hairdress this morning and I was reading the newspapers and
I said to her, don't look at this, and she
looked at it, and it was everybody was into it.
And as she said, only Kiwis could get away with that,
because frankly, only Kiwis would try it on. It's very
very cute. And he, I've got to be honest, he

(15:15):
looked like he enjoyed it. So next time you see
King Charles, if you ever get the opportunity to just
get in there, give him marg ask first. Though his
minders are a bit weird. Do you remember those five
health targets that Shane that he announced earlier this year.
They were shortened stays in the emergency departments, shortened wait
times to get to see specialists, receive treatments, improve immianization

(15:35):
for children, faster access to cancer treatments and stuff like that.
He's outlined today how they are going to do it.
I'll run you through some of those details shortly and
we'll talk to Health New Zealand after five o'clock about it.
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Speaker 1 (16:36):
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Speaker 2 (16:37):
B P The War Hypocracy. We play cricket against Afghanistan,
which basically bans its women from life and loudly freak
about a lack of inclusivity is really disgusting. I'm not
sure what I wonder is that a comparison between our

(16:59):
attitude towards playing cricket against the Afghanistan players and then
the transcer. I don't really know what's going on there,
but on that point, I think it's interesting that there's
hardly been anything about the fact that we are playing
cricket in India against Afghanistan, because I would have thought
that would wind some people up at least. Okay, this
is what I've been ready to Darlene Tanna and just
to Tech because that's fascinating too. This is what howth

(17:19):
New Zealand is planning to be able to kind of
get and get it on top of those targets that
the government set for themselves. They want to expand the
number of beds and operating theaters in public hospitals. Now
that's fine, but they've already got a whole new wing
at one hospital expanded and shut because I haven't got
enough staff. So I think what they need to add
there is some staff as well. They're going to make

(17:40):
great use of capacity in private hospitals. That's interesting. I
wonder how much more that costs. Will find that out.
They're going to also separate acute care from planned care
to free up three theater space and reduce the number
of cancelations, and so on and so on. So Andrew
Connolly of Health New Zealand will be with us on
that after five. It's twenty three to five.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
It's the world wires on news Talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Ohio's Republican governor has rubbish former President Donald Trump's claims
about the culinary habits of immigrants in the town of Springfield.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Is Springfield.

Speaker 7 (18:11):
They're eating the dogs the people that came in. They're
eating the cats, they're eating they're eating the pets of
the people that live there.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Springfield City manager has once again said there is no
truth to this claim, and the governor has backed them up.

Speaker 7 (18:26):
You know, I think we should take the word of
the city manager and the mayor that they've found no
credible evidence of that story.

Speaker 9 (18:34):
Ohitians eating pats.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
As I said earlier, US correspondent Logan Church will be
at US quarterbus five on that more than one hundred
and forty three people have died in Vietnam. As a
result of typhoon Yaggy, thousands of residents of the capitol
Hanoy have had to evacuate in the Asia Pacific Center
for Security Studies says it's a big one.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
People talk to me about a sort of a super
typhoon and they haven't seen something like this for decades.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
And finally, look, a large peg has been taken into
custody by police and Milwaukee. The peg wasn't that you
were wondering why I'm telling you this, but I'm building
towards something. The peg wasn't actually breaking any laws. But
the police found it wandering down along local road, picked
it up down the local road, picked it up, tried

(19:18):
to reunite it with its owners. So far no success.
It's unclear where the peggy was going to.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Market international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
That wasn't bad, as that wasn't bad. In fact, I
reckon and thank you for that.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
One.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
That would probably work at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival as
one of those weird little one liners they do. Oliver
Peterson six per Perth Live presenters with us. Now, Ali,
are we going.

Speaker 15 (19:42):
To book you for the Edinburgh Film Festival of a
fringe festival next year.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
I go and watch your heads you've.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Been Yeah, but you'd only go so that you could
film it and then put it up online and make
a mockery of me.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I know, yeah, and heckle you. Yeah, Hella my.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Single audience member. So I'll be grateful to have you there, Ollie,
Thank you for that. Hey, these guys in Melbourne they're
protesting again.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah they are. It's been a bit of a visit
to be fair today.

Speaker 15 (20:04):
Thankfully, it's been a bit of a visit today because
I'll tell you what what we saw yesterday was just putrid.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
It was disgraceful. We've got the rights to protest and
all of that.

Speaker 15 (20:14):
I get that, but when you basically create anarchy, it
turned into a right situation. There were police being thrown
animal feces, they were throwing.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Acid at the cops.

Speaker 15 (20:27):
We had to call in two thousand police officers and
we had thousands of protesters. Melbourne's brought to a sandstill. Honestly,
it was really confronting to see that we allow this
to go on and the Opposition Home Affairs spokesman James Patterson.
He says that they are extraordinary levels of lawlessness and
that has been able to occur here in Australia since

(20:48):
the Harmas incursion on Israel back in October last year.
Because if you think about that protest at the Sydney
Opera House last year that was not condemned in the
strongest possible terms. And now you've seen what's occurred on
the streets of Victoria yesterday. As I said, better of
visits today there's still people out and about this saying
they'll be back out tomorrow. You know, this is just

(21:09):
not the kind of protesting that you want or we
want to expect here in Australia. Again, writes a protest
and all that do it peacefully. But if you're anti war,
why are you creating a situation that is just complete
and utterly reckless.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's a very good point that you make, actually there, Oli,
I'll give you that the Greens going to get anywhere
with the supermarkets and the fines.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Well, if you look to Europe, they do this.

Speaker 15 (21:32):
So in Europe there's a bill in the European Union
that allows the competition watchdog there to apply for court
orders if a corporation has been found to illegally price gouged.
So they say, if it's good enough for Europe, should
be good enough for Australia. They're threatening to find corporations
up to fifty million dollars if they found guilty of
price gouging companies here in astral customers here in Australia.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Will it get up No, not on the surface of it.
They'll try it next week in the Parliament. But fast
forward to the next election. Here there the Greens have
the balance of power and that's where the Poles are
pointing towards everything.

Speaker 15 (22:04):
Everything's on the table if Labors to form a minority
government next time around. So it might sound like Pie
and the Sky kind of Greens policy at the moment,
but this is an insight into what Australia twenty five
twenty six could look like if the Greens hold the
balance of power.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Very interesting. I can so watch everything that they do
from here on and I know it could actually become
real at some stage. Elbow has he still not been
able to sell his rental?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, he's only listed it last night.

Speaker 15 (22:27):
I mean, if you're looking for a two story, three
bedroom home in Dulwich Hill, which is in Sydney's in
the west.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Then you need to cool one point nine million dollars.

Speaker 15 (22:36):
He brought this thing back in twenty fifteen for one
point one seventy five million dollars, so he stands to
make what seven hundred thousand dollars if he gets the
price that he wants. You'll remember he made those headlines
months ago because he kicked out a tenant who was
struggling to find somewhere to live in the middle of
a housing crisis in Australia.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
The room, the pans.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
So this is why I'm surprised he's only just listed
it because he kepcked that blokeout ages ago, didn't he he.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Kicked him out.

Speaker 15 (23:00):
He's a bit to work on the problem. I've seen
some pictures. It's on Debain and should have a look
at it. You might be interested in it. Lovely you know,
little backyard area. There's a nice little kitchen that's been
done up.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
It's got some gray carpet, lovely bed. It could be
you know, little Sydney pad for you.

Speaker 15 (23:13):
But I just think it's it's interesting that he's you know,
he's got the right to sell this thing, right, but
in the middle of a housing crisis, read their own
Prime minister. With everything else going on in Australia at
the moment, maybe.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Just hold on to it until after the election.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
You know what. I think you're right, and actually it is.
It's quite nicely dressed, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah it's not bad.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's not modern.

Speaker 15 (23:32):
Yeah, that's done pretty well here. So this could be
the you know the Heather property in Sydney.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh yeah, what one point nine million for that little box.
There's a lot of money. Thanks a lot of thanks
oli Oli Peterson six PR Perth Life presenter. It's small,
I'll tell you that now. It's very small. One point
nine million. Ozzie So Darling Tana. So she's been in
court today. Her attempt to save her career, you'll remember,
was in the High Court in Auckland and then and
then they had the thing where they'd agreed that they

(23:58):
would it was the interim thing and then they going
to call their jets for a couple of weeks and
they come back to court. So they went back to
court today. She's arguing that she was unlawfully thrown out
of the Green Party as and not breaking the luws
of the country, but breaking the laws of the Green
Party and that she shouldn't have been blamed for what
her husband was doing. But what I find fascinating is
that she has laid out that from the very first minute.

(24:18):
This is according to her lawyer in court, from the
very first minute that the media got in touch with
the Green Party making the allegations about what was going
on in his business. Oh, Madam, I called her up. Madam.
I called Darline and was like, yeah, shit quit. And
the implication of that is that from the very outset
they were never going to give her fair go. They
wanted to get rid of her because it looked bad

(24:40):
in front of everybody. So anyway, Barry soopap will have
a little chat about that with us when he's short,
very shortly sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Politics was centrics, credit check your customers and get payment certainty.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Very sore senior political correspondence with us. Now go on,
Barry's just get it, get it, get it out of
your system.

Speaker 16 (24:55):
It.

Speaker 13 (24:57):
Yeah, I was really interested in your editorial, very good
on Donald Trump and Carmela Harris and their first debate
the eating cats and dogs. I mean, what he was
doing was he was extrapolating that here was one case,
and you mentioned that a cat Hiatian had taken a

(25:19):
cat and allegedly eaten it.

Speaker 9 (25:22):
One case, but.

Speaker 13 (25:26):
That to be the whole of the eleven million dollars
in immigrants that are there illegally in the United States.
And the other one is the baby's being executed. Now,
I've had a lot of email today on this, and
it's true that some babies do survive after an abortion, thankfully,

(25:50):
and unfortunately some die. But those that do survive there
is an attempt at that stage to keep them alive.
But abortions are dreadful in any situation, and so, but
they're not being executed as Donald Trump would have us believe.

(26:10):
So it's the way he presents it, and it's the
way his followers suck it up and say.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
What are you taking issue with? Are you taking issue
with how he phrased his language or the very fact
that he claims that this is real?

Speaker 13 (26:25):
Well, no, what what he What he leaves the impression
of everyone one with is that, for example, on abortion,
that babies are being executed, you know, ad infinitem around
the United States, which is patently wrong. The other thing
is that eating cats and dogs, that's just crap. I mean,

(26:46):
he's seen one hang on, he's seen one television item,
and you know he's extrapolated from that that that's going
on all over the country with these minds.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I didn't say it was.

Speaker 13 (26:57):
No, but what I'm saying is that's what he's trying
to create the impression.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, what I was saying was happening was that there
is just enough evidence on the Internet to allow these
people who support him, some of them, to believe that
it really was happening.

Speaker 9 (27:11):
They believe it on one case, you know, the totally
misguided Well.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Okay, Barry, thank you, thank you for clarifying. We didn't
realize you didn't like Donald Trump, but now we do.

Speaker 13 (27:24):
Okay is a wonderful man.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Kate, What about Darlena? So she's basically stitching together a
story which I actually am quite fascinated by that the
Greens actually wanted to fire her from the get go.
They were never going to give her a chance.

Speaker 13 (27:35):
She says, Well, her appropriately named lawyer, Sharon Green, representing
her in court today, and this is the case that
prevented the Greens from meeting to decide whether to use
the walker jumping legislation. Look, it was interesting the argument
that you've put up that for Tana being held accountable

(27:55):
for her husband's actions, there's a very dangerous path ahead
down because you know, no politician can be held for
the actions of their family members. But that's presupposing that
this report that was carried out on Darlene Tarmer exonerated
her from any involvement in the exploitation of immigrants. So

(28:21):
what she would argue Sharon Green is that basically Chloe
Swarbrick and Madam Davidson was essentially playing to the media
and they were providing the answers that they believed that
the media should have and to that end, it was
really interesting in Parliament this afternoon. It was that Green's

(28:41):
case in court today that saw Chloe Swarbrick coming off
second best. When she was questioning our old mate Winston Peters,
who's acting for the Prime Minister today in parliament, Swarbrick
was talking about the Treaty Principals, Bill Peter's talked about
the Greens court case here they are.

Speaker 11 (29:00):
Can the Prime Minister think of anything that is a
bigger waste of the public's time than allowing a six
month long select committee process on a divisive so called
Treaty Principles bill, when the majority of government has already
committed to opposing that very bill.

Speaker 17 (29:15):
I can think of all sorts of court cases which
are a gross waste of the public's time and money,
and where the machi has been done when the person
not in the here and of course the court case
is now involving taxpayers paying for the court proceedings as
we speak. And that number from the Grand Party would
know all about that case, wouldn't she?

Speaker 9 (29:33):
Now we're talking about Trump earlier?

Speaker 13 (29:36):
Hasn't Wiston got a great way of turning the situation
around to see his own purpose.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
He's done a good job. He's done a good little
jiu jitsu on her there. Hey, this regulation ministry from
David Seabells proving to be quite costly, isn't it.

Speaker 13 (29:49):
Well, it is four hundred thousand dollars in consultants. It's
replacing the old Productivity Commission, so they're producing at a
lot of money for consultants, that is, but also the
ninety people that are thought to be going to be
end up being employed by them as other public servants
being laid off. Are they getting an average of one

(30:10):
hundred and fifty k a year. So let's hope that
this regulation Commission undoes a lot of the red tape
that David Seymour says it'll do once it's set up
and running.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Chris has suggested we should pre book Saint John and
for a be later for you for election day. How
do you feel about you ready for that?

Speaker 9 (30:29):
Very good? Thank you very much, Chris.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
If trug comes in, if Trump becomes in your checking out, they.

Speaker 13 (30:34):
Got an email from him today and not a particularly
pleasant one either.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Thanks very so for senior political correspondent. Seven away from five.

Speaker 18 (30:42):
Entertain the mic asking breakfast our favorite talk show hosts
Matt Graham Norton. Somebody asked what's it like to be famous?
And I thought your answer was brilliant, and that was,
it's like being where you are now in small town Ireland.
Everybody knows everybody it is, so.

Speaker 19 (30:57):
They've just got a sweet, innocent question and be an
answer to it.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
But of course, what is the answer.

Speaker 20 (31:02):
To what it's like being famous?

Speaker 19 (31:03):
And then it suddenly struck me, it's like bantry, where
you know, you try to avoid people in the supermarket
and everyone knows your business. So I think that's kind
of why I like it back here in West Cork
because yes, everyone knows me, but I know a lot
of that, so it has a logic to it.

Speaker 18 (31:18):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Jaguar.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Ifplace used talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Four away from five. Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown. Now he's
revealed a proposal for a second harbor crossing and he
wrote about it in a he has a quite regular
column on a Sunday. He wrote about it there and
for some reason didn't get much picked up for the
last couple of days. But all of a sudden people
have started to notice it and they're talking about it
and questioning whether this is looney or actually onto something.
So basically what his idea is this right at the moment,

(31:48):
what we're considering in Auckland, what the government is considering,
is another harbour crossing, whether it be a bridge or
a tunnel. Now he says, forget about the tunnel miles
too expensive. What you want to do is build a
bridge from Point Sheef, just straight across the harbor to
the north shore, and where you will land if you
go straight across is Cody Point. And the beauty of

(32:08):
his idea as he sees it, because of course he
would he would consider it a beauty. The beauty of
his idea is that eighty percent of that bridge would
be on a reef, Meola reef, which would mean that
you're not having to go as far down and as
a result, the whole thing comes out a lot cheaper, right,
and so he reckons it's about eight percent the cost
of a tunnel. Is that crazy? Or is he on
to something here? We'll have a little chat to Bill McKay,

(32:30):
who's the architect and planning lecturer, who'll undoubtedly have something
to say about that. He's with us ten past five.
Logan Church out of the US is going to be
with us on the cats and dogs thing. This is
an example, right, This is an example of the text
I'm getting though I spoke about at the start of
the program. Here the Roman American citizen residing in New Zealand.
I'm no fan of Trump. I'm voting Democrat. However, I
have family who live in Springfield, Ohio, and according to them,

(32:52):
the rumors a factual. Read the cat, but it's more
to do with the ducks and the geese from the
public park. Although there are isolated incidents of pets being
eaten by migrants. There is police officer body camera footage
and nine to eleven audio publicly available for proof. Now,
I can't verify if this footage is real or not,
but if you google bodycam footage Police officer Springfield Animals

(33:16):
you will see it's there. So judge for yourself. Health
New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Next pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's
hither due to clan drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected.

Speaker 9 (33:33):
Ustall said, be.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Good afternoon. Do you remember those five performance targets the
government has set for Health New Zealand. It includes improving
cancer treatment, cutting emergency department wait times, cutting the time
you have to wait to see a specialist, and so on.
Health New Zealand has just today revealed how they're going
to do that. Andrew Connolly is the chief medical officer
at County's manecou Hey Andrew, hey, Heather, how are you
very well? Thank you, thanks for your time. Now you're

(33:58):
going to get the private hospitals to help out here.
How much more expensive is using private than public?

Speaker 10 (34:05):
Well you'd have to ask the finance guys that, but
not everything's more expensive in private. I think the key
thing for listeners is that private has for a long
time been part of our materium and it's got to
be part of the solution to getting the waiting list down.
Most of the work will still be done, however in

(34:26):
public facilities. You know, we don't want to lose staff
to private just to do public work, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, I mean, I know you guys are under the public,
but what about private? Do they have much capacity?

Speaker 10 (34:37):
Look, I think they're obviously pretty busy if they're bit
of New Zealand. Healthcare occurs in private hospitals anyway. Of course,
most occurs in private and general practice. But from say
the surgical waiting list point of view, private has some capacity.
It probably you'd have to ask Private Surgical Association. But
it probably varies a bit with the economy and things,

(35:00):
you know. But we've always used some private capacity and
we've used it well, and that's a partnership we need
to keep developing to get the best for the public.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
One of the other parts of your plan is to
expand the number of beds in operating theaters in hospitals
and existing hospitals. How much is that going to cost.

Speaker 10 (35:20):
Well, again, you really don't want me talking about money.
I can't balance a checkbook operating rooms much.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Well, then let me ask you this with what money
because you don't have any.

Speaker 10 (35:30):
Yeah, So look, operating rooms aren't cheap, so that the
key focus for people like me is on using our
existing facilities more efficiently and more effectively. So at the moment,
you know, we do have operating rooms that aren't fully
used because we don't have all the staff we need.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
So which is bringing me to the next question. I
was going to ask you, with what staff because you
don't have money for staff either.

Speaker 10 (35:56):
Well, we have to make sure we're investing in the
rights stuff. So that's where I think the Commissioner has
less believe has been very clear. Certainly, I know counties
we're fortunate to have more anesthetis coming. But there's also

(36:17):
things we can do to try and make our existing
use of the resources more efficient. And this is not
saying the workforce working harder, because frankly they can't. This
is working a bit smarter. And that's a challenge we've
had for many years. It's been made a lot worse
since we had COVID and then the border closures, border

(36:38):
reopening and things. But you know there's actually for many
services around the country because there's it's not just operations.
You obviously need to be seen in the first place,
to be assessed for the need for treatment and what
the diagnosis is. And that's called a first specialist assessment.
And we're actually starting to see some real progress in
waiting times in many service is starting to come down

(37:01):
right across the country. You know, it's it's like a
it's green shoots. We haven't got a fully fledged green
lawn yet, but it's encouraging to through the progress certainly
compared with a year ago.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Well, I'm pleasing you're sounding optimistic, Andrew. I really appreciates
Doctor Andrew Connelly, Chief Medical Officer Counties manicure. Does it
sound to you like they kind of know how to
do it, but they may have a problem with money.
Eleven past five together Alga Mayre Wayne Brown's come up
with an alternative plan for a second harbor crossing for
the city here. Reckons it should go from Point chev
directly across to the north shore, which is Cody Point.

(37:32):
The beauty of his plan is that eighty percent of
this bridge would be built on an existing reef. Now
Bill mackay is a senior lecturer of Architecture and Planning
at the University of Auckland with us now hey, Bill,
he is building on the reef a smart idea.

Speaker 21 (37:47):
Wayne Brown's an engineer and this is a real engineer's
approach to things, looking for the shortest point and the
cheapest structure rather than like the environ mental impact and
also tolate where is it really fit into the needs
for a third harber crossing?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Well, okay, so so cost wise and simplicity. He wins
on that one. What's the problem?

Speaker 21 (38:16):
No, because can I cost wise? He's saying, come like
a bridge rather than a tunnel, But he's not taking
into account I don't think the approaches to it.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
You need feeder roads into point cheven out the outside, building.

Speaker 21 (38:30):
A motorway right up in the middle of Puince Sheverley Road,
acquiring what's properties that kind of thing. John Tammerherry is
a mayoral election election or two ago. He was talking
about the double decker bridge. Looks good in the diagram,
but when you think about the approaches, how do we
get the cars there? Detracts all of that kind of thing.

(38:53):
It becomes much much.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Give it a score out of ten for me?

Speaker 21 (38:57):
Bill four?

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Why so long?

Speaker 21 (39:02):
Because he's not also taken into account the environmental impact.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Oh never mind that, take that out, Bill, Assume I
don't care because I got If you take the environment out,
what what score are you giving it?

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Now?

Speaker 21 (39:14):
Okay, Well, have a look at all the Auckland motorways
and there is one thing that determines the path of
the motorway and Auckland. The least the path is least
political resistance. Yeah, so can I. Motorways go through mangroves,
they go through cemeteries, they go through places where poor

(39:37):
people live. They do not go through middle class or
can ike you know, the middle.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Class suburbs like Point shap or reefs where the greenees
are going.

Speaker 21 (39:49):
To get and time is also money, so can like
you know, the pushback from the locals and all of
that kind of thing means, you know, it's a high.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
It's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you, really appreciable. MacKaye,
Senior Lecture of Architecture and Planning, University of Auckland. So
it sounds like actually is a good idea, But the
nimbies and the Greenees are gonna have a winge about it. Hey,
what was I going to tell you about? Oh country, Kindia,
Manawa two stand by. I'm going to get to it
in the next hour. Great news there fourteen past five, Right,
it's seventeen past five. So here's the question. How did

(40:22):
Donald Trump get to the point where he said this
in the debate last night in Springfield?

Speaker 7 (40:27):
They're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're
eating the cats, They're eating they're eating the pets of
the people that live there.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
One news correspondent, Logan Church was at the debate. Hey, Logan,
good evening, Logan. This has come from that Facebook page,
a from the Springfield Local Private Facebook page, and it's
just gone from there.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (40:50):
I came originally from a social media post where someone
site that a friend of a neighbors also claims that
the cats have been found carved up to be easan
and the remains hanging from a branch of a Haitian
person's home. Now, I need to be very clear, there
was absolutely no proof or evidence of anything like this
actually happening, but that rumor started spreading like wildfire online,

(41:13):
particularly among conservative circles.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
There were claims.

Speaker 22 (41:16):
About other cats and dogs, and then there were geese
apparently being beheaded in the park. And I was actually
at my desk the other day, a couple of days
before the debates, and I saw the rumor published as
fact by newsletters affiliates with the Donald Trump campaign. So
this essentially internet conspiracy, then stars had been repeated the

(41:38):
basin by a a political candidate in this highly contentious
political race. Now, as with every conspiracy theory, there is
always a kernel of truth, and there is a kernel
of truth from this one, and it's got nothing to
do with dead cats and dogs and geese. It is
to do with the fact that the small city of
Springfield does have challenges worth dealing with the and influx

(41:59):
of migrants. Now they're all there perfectly legally, but there
are oracles, challenges of having large numbers of people come
and cecil in a sse many cities across America and
the world. I'm dealing with this problem. But then Donald
Trump comes onto the presidential debate stage and repeats this
conspiracy theory. And it gets even more bizarre from there,
because you heard from Donald Trump before what exactly he said. Now,

(42:23):
straight after that one of the Modern Racers jumped in
and fact checked them, saying, well, the ABC News vision
had contacted the local city authorities and they said there
were no reports of anything like this actually happening. And
Donald Trump then said, well, he saw the claims been
talked about us on television. That was his proof that
he said live in the debates. So today, the poor

(42:45):
cissy manager of the city of Springfield actually put our
video statement saying, and I'm going to quote here, it
is disappointing that many of the narratives surrounding our sec
has been skewed by misinformation circulating on social media and
amplified by political rhetoric and the highly charged presidential election cycles.

(43:05):
So a conspiracy theory that started in a small city
that's now gone around the world and back again.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Now, logan, I don't want to sound like I believe it,
but I've got to ask this question. Okay, they are
saying that there is no evidence to prove that this
is happening, But can they say it definitely isn't happening.
You see the distinction.

Speaker 22 (43:27):
Well, jd Vance, the VP pick for Joe Biden, was
asked about this on CNN last night after the debate,
and he said exactly the same thing. He said, oh, well,
the local officials, and I'm summarizing here, but local officials
say there are no reports. That doesn't mean it's actually happening,
and that he said that his constituents on the ground,

(43:49):
the people he were talking to, say that it was
happening through first and second hand accounts. But I have
to reiterate that reporters have been on the ground there.
Even though jd. Vance challenged reports too gone the ground
to investigate it themselves, they have been there and there
has been no evidence that has emerged showing that migrants
have been beheading geese in the local park. At this stage,

(44:12):
it remains a conspiracy theory. That is all that it remains.
Yet it is created has I guess, developed into this
life of its own after this presidential debate. Has been
quite astonishing to watch. And I think just listening to
the you know, the local city official. He gave out
that statement, and then he continued on for the next
two minutes or so talking about all the wonderful things

(44:33):
about Springfield, and I almost felt sorry for the guy,
because now if anybody thinks about the city of Springfield
and Ohio. The only thing they think about is beheaded
cats and dogs and geese. So you know, certainly a
very bizarre turn and this very serious presidential debate.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
You have very good point, Logan, thank you very much.
Logan church One uses US correspondent. According to Snopes Page right,
Snope says the fact checking this is read the book
body camfoot of just telling you about before that bodycam
footage is real and the woman did what was it
was accused of killing and eating a cat, but it
was not in Springfield. It was in another place, and

(45:10):
she was not Haitian. She was American. Five twenty one.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
youth talks.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
That'd be twenty four past five. Can I just tell
you how many texts I'm getting about Donald Trump? As
I said yesterday, I am shocked at how like badly shocked,
just surprised at how into this particular election we are.
We really are quite invested in it. Listen to this
debate over in Australia about banning the social media for kids.
I've been thinking about it a lot. I'm sure many
parents have actually about what the best way to deal

(45:42):
with the social media is, whether you ban it or
do something else. And today I came across an article
that I think makes the best comparison yet for how
we should treat social media for kids, and that is
treated like sex. Now, this particular article, and I'll explain,
but this particular article is by an academic and Australia.
What she argues is that the best way to protect

(46:03):
kids from social media is by teaching them it's dangers,
kind of like we do with sex. Because I think
we now know that banning sex for teens doesn't work right,
celibacy all the way through marriages, just as a looney
idea doesn't work. The best way to deal with it
is the way that we do deal with it at
the moment, which is sex education. We teach kids how
the whole thing works, We teach them how to be safe,

(46:25):
and most kids actually do end up being completely fine.
And that, she says, is how we should treat social media.
Teach the kids how it works, Teach them about the
algorithms that will push information at you. Teach them if
they click something, you'll get more of the same.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Teach them how the perfect model lined by the pool
with her perfect boyfriend on the perfect holiday is just
a photo. It's not real. And then teach them how
to be safe when they're using it, how to not
look at certain things, how to talk about the things
that they see that upset them, and so on and
so on. Right, but here's the next step with it.
With sex, we do ban it as well, don't we.

(46:59):
We say kids under sixteen cannot legally have sex. We
put these guardrails in. I think to take this comparison further,
I think that we should do that with social media too,
if only as a guardrail kids under whatever age we
decide no social media same as we decide no sex
allowed to happen legally, as I say, ban it. Knowing

(47:20):
the ban is just a guardrail. It's not gonna work
for most kids. They are going to flout it. But
just like because it doesn't work with sex, it's not
going to work with social media. But then we educate
them as well, And that is the most important part.
If we think about it like that, like kids are
going to do this thing that you don't want them
to do, and that you're banning them from doing it.
They're going to do it anyway. Then you understand, the
best thing that you can do as a parent and

(47:41):
as an educator and as a country is teacher kids
how to do it safely.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Ever do for c Allen.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Apparently Google is playing very very hardball with the government
over the government's plans to make them pay for media
remember pay the media companies for news content. Apparently they're
threatening to pull out of the country altogether. Shane Curry
is going to talk us through that. After the headlines.
Now here's the news on Country Kindy in the manner
were two. Do you remember this? This is the early
childhood center that the Ministry of Education tried to shut
down because it hadn't done its paperwork, stupid things like writing.

(48:10):
They didn't write its mission statement. Who cares. Country Kindy
has just today got the news. It's been safe, it saved,
it's got its operating license back, it's allowed to stay open.
This is because after the Education Ministry tried to shut
it down and literally gave it just a few days
to stay open. Country Kendy went to court forced the
Education Ministry to go back and have a look. I understand.

(48:30):
David Seymour also told the Education Ministry maybe they want
to go back out on another look. They had another look,
they realized they'd done the wrong thing and actually the
country kindy guys had complied with all the conditions and
should never have been shut down. Confidence in them not
at all. Headlines.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Next, the day's newsmakers talked to Heather First, Heather duple
c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
and news talk.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Z'd be, Hey, how you think about this? Okay? Would
you put air tags on your children to know where
they are? Like air tags?

Speaker 23 (49:14):
Are you know?

Speaker 2 (49:15):
You know air tags? AirTags? You put them on your keys,
you put them in the car, they put them on
the luggage and stuff. Would you put them on your
children to know where they are? And the reason I'm
asking this is because Zara and Mike Tindall stick them
on their kids as old as ten. I want to
know what you think. We're going to talk to heart.
I'm conflicted on this and we're to talk to the
huddle about it shortly. Also, GJ. Gardner some fantastic news
from them, talk about it up to six o'clock. They're

(49:36):
basically planning on expanding so you're gonna want to hear
this because geez, do we need some good news at
the moment. Huddle is standing by right now. It's twenty
four away from six for see how There are reports
that Google is threatening to pull out of New Zealand
altogether because of the government's plan to make it pay
media companies for news content. Clearly not happy about this.
End zied me. Media columnist Shane Curry broke the news

(49:57):
this morning and he's with us. Now, Hey, Shane, They're
not gonna put allowed, are they?

Speaker 24 (50:00):
I don't think so. But you know, in any negotiations
like this, they will certainly be reviewing their stants. I've
actually said publicly in their submission to Parliament for the
Fair Digital News Bill that they will need to review
operations in New Zealand if the bill goes ahead. And
of course we know the bill is going to go ahead.
National has picked it up, and so Google quite rightly,

(50:21):
quite expectedly, is now maneuvering its position.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
But review operations could mean anything, couldn't It could mean
taking away the news tabs or whatever they do, pulling
out all together.

Speaker 24 (50:30):
What's the most absolutely absolutely right now, they have a
lot of deals with media companies are very proud of
those and that includes you know, the likes of Ented
Me stuff, spin Off Newsroom. They all have deals where
they get a little bit of money to display their
news and what they call the Google News Showcase. The
publishers argue, although none of them are actually talking because

(50:52):
they have lots of non disclosure agreements, but industry sources
are telling me that, you know, they expect the publishers
expect to get received a lot more money as a
result of the Fair Digital News Bill. And so that's why,
you know, they've been amping for that for so long.
That's why the government has listened, and that's why Google
is angry.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Okay, Now, Google has up to now been the good guys,
right because Facebook have been the bad guys, shutting down
operations and places like Canada. Google's been the good guys.
Are they putting that at risk with threats like this?

Speaker 24 (51:19):
I think Google have certainly, compared to Meta, compared to Facebook,
have certainly been a lot more forthright and supportive of
the New Zealand media industry. And that's just as a
casual observer. As a media columnist, you know, I talked
to exex all the time and Google have certainly been supportive.
But as I say, that's also there's been a lot
of pr around that. If you look at the deals

(51:42):
that they've done in Australia and even Canada, there's a
lot more money that's at state here that can be
I think they made a million. They made a billion
dollars last year in New Zealand. We're talking here at
the moment. They fund New Zealand media companies with their
different initiatives and sothing to the churn of just a
few several million dollars, really only several not even as
far as again it's all part of a non disclosure agreement.

(52:03):
No one is telling me the exacts are title, aren't
they really about? What is interesting now is Google is
going straight to Goldsmith, straight to Luxen and writing to
them directly about you know that even though the bill
is now passing through Parliament, Google is still in their ears. Yeah,
the cabinet paper hasn't been released. It was expected to
be released last month. The government's holding off and releasing

(52:24):
it for some reason. And so we've got Official Information
Act requests in for that kind of thing. But certainly
the officials are willing to know scrambling.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Tell me what you think. Okay, this hasn't worked. I
would argue in any anywhere else where it's been tried,
Australia and Canada is going to work now.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
It is working.

Speaker 9 (52:36):
It is working where.

Speaker 24 (52:37):
I know there's a lot of controversy about a lot
of comment, but there's certainly a lot more money you
now been given to the media companies where individually Australia Canada.
You can't say the pool of money in Canada.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
I mean you've got mixed, tiny little media outlets falling
over because I haven't got the Facebook trainer.

Speaker 24 (52:51):
They've got a hunt. There's now a pool. Even though
Google is exempt from that law. Yeah, they have still
agreed to one hundred million dollars a year to publishers
in Canada. I know they are, but that is one
hundred million dollars more than they were getting previous.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Okay, So you would argue that in both of these
jurisdictions this law as well, we.

Speaker 24 (53:06):
Have Google and Australia's doing their own individual deals.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
Yes.

Speaker 24 (53:10):
Yeah, as a result of that legislation, Googlers had to
come to the negotiation table.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
And it will work here, yes, Okay, And my view guys, Well,
why not have a view. You've been around long enough
to have a view. Shane, Thank you. I appreciate your
take on it. That's Shane Curry who's in Zibny's media columnist.
You can catch his media inside it all the time.
I don't know if it comes out irregularly. It just
comes out all the time, and it's brilliant. Twenty away
from six the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
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Speaker 2 (53:36):
All right on the Huddle with me this evening and
got Tim Wilson Maxim Institute and Alie Jones read Pierre,
Hello you two.

Speaker 9 (53:41):
Hi Heather?

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Right, Ali, how's it going Halo? Very well?

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Thank you?

Speaker 10 (53:44):
Tim?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Answer this question from me, Ali, Why does anyone support
someone who says things as stupid as Donald Trump does?

Speaker 9 (53:51):
What a forest gun say stupid? Is a stupid?

Speaker 16 (53:54):
Does?

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Honestly? I think the point I.

Speaker 9 (53:58):
Look, he could say anything, couldn't he?

Speaker 2 (54:00):
He could say anything?

Speaker 20 (54:01):
But what's the What's more interesting I think than this
cat and dog rubbish is the comment about she wants
to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison, right,
because that's the other thing that people are going, You've
got to be kidding, But I look, I don't. I
don't think that he could say anything that could be

(54:21):
considered too mad for people to believe his people will
believe anything.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Yes, I think you're right, Tim, Do you agree with that?

Speaker 23 (54:30):
No?

Speaker 10 (54:30):
I don't.

Speaker 23 (54:31):
I don't think believe anything. What we're seeing here, though,
is is Donald Trump. We're all talking about Donald Trump
the day after the debate. It's the unearned media difference. Yes,
so I think with the Hillary Clinton campaign and you
rate her, but earlier it's like, why the hell are
we talking about this, Heather? And it works for Trump.
It gives him visibility, it gives him cut through for

(54:51):
one of a better word, and I just I would say,
you know, okay, so Trump Trump said something that was
I think it well clearly unsupported, unsupportable, possibly a conspiracy theory.
But Kamala Harris needed to be fact checked on all
the FIBs that she was saying about the US Army,
not an active duty not true. Guns are I'm pro guns,
actually mandatory buyback supported them in twenty nineteen. Abortion are

(55:15):
actually her running mate, You have just.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Struck on something that is absolutely fascinating, tim Right, those
two ABC moderators only fact checking him, didn't fact check her,
And because of that five times, yep, people watching, people
watching who are leaning towards Trump will go, yeah, well,
there's your media bias. So I'm not going to listen
to you any more meat, mainstream media, and for that reason,
they just choose to ignore. You can fact check the

(55:39):
hell out of him. Nobody cares in his support base
because your bias is on show.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 23 (55:45):
And I think also it's attitudes to authority. So people
are drawn to Trump because he seems he seems to
he not seem to. He questions authority. So when you
see authority figures like those quote unquote moderators fact checking
him for five times, letting Kamala run, you know, run
a bit loose, let's say, then they're going to go,

(56:05):
my sympathies are with this guy.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (56:08):
At what point?

Speaker 5 (56:09):
Though?

Speaker 23 (56:09):
At what point?

Speaker 20 (56:10):
And it's Karmala by the way, I just want to
mention that Karmala, Karmala, I'm sounding like, try bad, yeah, yeah, no, No,
At what point do people go you are an absolute
raving lunatic. You want to you're saying she will kill
babies at nine months. So I do take your point
that you know, he's challenging authority and people love that

(56:34):
and it's a bit of dog whistle stuff, But at
what point will people start to go, you are an
absolute lunatic.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
This is what this is. This is what I'm saying, Allie,
is that people do not think he's a lunatic because
they go on the Internet and they find the tiniest
spheric of evidence that suggests that there may be a
bit of truth to what he's saying. And that's enough.
And because they don't trust the mainstream media anymore, and
that is our own fault, they actually choose to trust
him over us, God help us all.

Speaker 23 (57:00):
Well, but the fact is, but like so so for example,
with that with the abortion thing, late term abortion, Okay,
he said executed, that's the wrong thing, but babies are
left to die. And her running mate Tim Wolds actually
took the reporting of this out of the legislation in
the state he was governor of. So there is there
is a there is a different that.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yeah, well it's it's clear.

Speaker 23 (57:22):
It's not it's not as clear cut as as she
is making out or as he is making out. But
there's a scarek there.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, Alie does it answer? Do you feel like you
can understand it a bit better now?

Speaker 16 (57:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (57:34):
I can, But I still think you are not going
to change these people's minds at all. I mean, I
was thrilled to actually see someone come up against Trump
who could actually put some words together and and you.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Know, have a reasonably coherent argument. I think, please think
about it. It was a low bar, wasn't it. All Right,
we'll take a break and you guys come back and
just to tick. It's our huddle this evening.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
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Speaker 2 (58:01):
Tim Wilson Allie Jones back on the Huddle of that's
listened to Tim. I spoke to Health New Zealand Andrew
Connolly at the start of this hour. I'm not convinced
by their plan for how they're going to get on
top of things and reduce all of those those targets
that they're supposed to because while they have a kind
of outline of what to do, there's no there's no
flesh on those bones. They don't even where they're gonna
get the money from.

Speaker 23 (58:20):
Did you did you Did you ask about timelines.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
No, I didn't ask about timelines. I got stuck on money.

Speaker 13 (58:25):
See.

Speaker 23 (58:26):
Oh yeah, well that's that's the that's the bit that
seems to be missing, because you know, everyone knows that. Okay,
it's great to have a target, and I love the
target because we can hold them accountable, et cetera, et cetera.
But I don't have a timeline, then you don't really
have a target.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Well, this is true, Ali, Did you feel convinced it all?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
No?

Speaker 20 (58:42):
No, I agree with tim I think targets are good.
But I do think as well that the one of
the biggest uses retention. It's all very well and good
to talk about recruiting, and you know, but we would
we would need to recruit far fewer if we actually
retained people a lot more. Did I hear that it
takes sixteen years to actually train an oncologist in this

(59:03):
country and we're just losing them to overseas? I did
hear as far as timelines go?

Speaker 5 (59:07):
They did?

Speaker 20 (59:08):
They not say that Fatorara had inputs some details and
data from July one, which gave them a base to
work from. Yeah, but I haven't heard though, tim what beyond.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
July one is the date that they're going going to
review those. But look, I agree with you. I think
we've got to have target so that we can hold
people again. You're too right, Tim. I love the sound
of the second harbor bridge that goes through Point Chevalier,
comes out the other side at Cody Point, drives over
a reef. What do you reckon?

Speaker 16 (59:37):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (59:37):
Look the part of the poll on the Indied Hero website,
there's sixty percent is in favor of it and twenty
I think twenty percent hate it and fourteen percent of
like eli they don't care because they probably live in
christ Church. But no, I think it sounds like a
great idea.

Speaker 20 (59:54):
Yeah, well one of the issues for someone down here
because I don't kind of I don't get it. So
if people are really liking it, if people are really
liking it, what are the twenty percent pushing back against?
Is it an environmental issue?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah, So what you'll have is you'll have like reef
lovers who will be really upset that we're gonna up,
We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna bust up the ecology
of the reef. But also, Alie, you have got all
of these people in Point chev who are bloody noisy
because they have been winging about the roads there for
the longest time, and now they're going to just keep
on winging to the Herald about their houses being sold

(01:00:27):
in emotional great big motorway going through their suburb. That's
what it's going to be, nimbi, isn't it.

Speaker 23 (01:00:31):
I thought I thought they were into it. I had
a local resident, Midiarma Alexander was quoted as saying, it's
a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Oh I thought I read the opposite alternative facts, tim what, well,
how did we I'm gonna have to go, you know what,
I'm going to have to go and dig this out
because somehow we've interpreted the same information completely opposite. So,
oh no, you know what.

Speaker 23 (01:00:51):
You know what's happening. It's a Trump situation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
That's what I thought.

Speaker 23 (01:00:53):
Well, now we go when we have to go back
to talking about Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yeah, oh no, hey, okay, what do you what do
you think? Allie of Mike and Zara Tindall air tagging
their kids, can you tell me have they told the kids?

Speaker 20 (01:01:06):
I haven't had a chance to look at the story yet, because.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
That's the key to me. Yes, So that the ten
year old Miya has got the air tag clipped to
the kind of like you know, the little the belt
loop on her jeans, so like, unless she's dumb, she
knows it's there. Stupid, stupid.

Speaker 20 (01:01:23):
Yeah, no, look, I don't have a problem with it
at all. I think the issue is if you're going
to hide it or sew it into the inside of
the lining of the backpack, that's probably a bit sneaky.
But I think that you there's not a problem with that.
I think you should give them to your kids, give
them to your husband, any other family members that you
may need, to pets, whatever, But as long as they
know that's the key, I've got a problem with it.

Speaker 23 (01:01:44):
Okay, what do you think, Tim, Well, we've already done it.
We've actually surgically done it for all of our kids.
They're all air tagged.

Speaker 25 (01:01:51):
And here's the deal.

Speaker 23 (01:01:52):
What we did was we put a sheepskin over them,
we got them to say meow, and we took them
to the the guy gave them for twenty five bucks each.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
That's ridiculous on because it's a real conundrum for a parent,
right because Allie, you I'm going to come to you,
because Tim's obviously being ridiculous. Allie, it's a conundrum because
you want your child. You don't want your child wandering
off in a mall and then losing them, and the
air tag will help you to find them. But at
some point you also have to let them be their
own person and be answerable for Yeah, you can't. Who

(01:02:22):
wants to helicopter the helicopter parent them forever.

Speaker 20 (01:02:25):
I don't think it's helicopter parenting them at all, as
long as they know what's hell?

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
What age do you what age do you stop the
air tagging?

Speaker 20 (01:02:32):
I would say, you know, plucking a figure out of
the air about fourteen.

Speaker 23 (01:02:36):
And I'm very when you send them, when you send
them to Europe for a holiday like yourself.

Speaker 20 (01:02:43):
No, And I'm very very supportive of kids harnesses. I
think you know, children as well should be harnessed so.

Speaker 23 (01:02:49):
They can be Oh my goodness, too much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Judge stuff going on here, Ali, have you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Ever done that?

Speaker 23 (01:02:54):
We did that in the more and we were so
like with one of our kids and it was like
a little fox and it's quite cute.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
And but the eyes, the eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
You care too much, Tim, You care too much what
other people think.

Speaker 20 (01:03:08):
Yeah, but Tim would you ever go up to someone
and say what are you looking at? I mean, would
you ever hold someone up on it? Because man, if
someone rolls their eyes at me or looks at me
like that, then I will say to them, what are
you looking at?

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Well, Allie going out with here, Doggie doggy. All right,
you two, It's good to talk to you. Thank you
very much. It's Tim Wilson, Maximum Institute. Allie Jones red
PR eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. Heather duple c allan
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News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Yeah, I don't know what Tim was talking about. I
went back and had a look at what Marianna Alexander
the point Chevy is that residents said and is she
not happy about this at all? She said those living
in the suburb already experiencing significant disruptions in the community
with the Meola road closures and the restriction. Sy I
told you it's all about the roads already. She said,
this would lead to more disruptions that residents were deeply

(01:04:04):
unhappy about. She wants fairies. Oh doesn't that grind a
gears when somebody comes up with an idea and then
somebody said, no, I don't like that idea. What about
a gondola And you're like, h no, that's a dumb idea, Heather.
It is ridiculous putting air tags on kids. We used
to walk to school every day without them. How silly, Heather.
This is not a joke. You're chipping your kid. It's

(01:04:25):
not surgically, but essentially geez hea. The fourteen is when
you need to start putting these things. I'll tell you what.
If there is one thing I never ever want to
be in my life, I am allergic to the idea
of a helicopter parent. I will rather let my child
fall in a pool like with supervision. Obviously, I'd rather
let him fall in the pool and learn about the

(01:04:45):
hazards of the pool than stop him falling in the
pool by like hovering around him. How exhausting. So for
that reason, I really want to resist this air tag thing,
because I just don't want to have to spend all
of my mental energy freaking out about my child. The
hold out seems deeply, deeply unhealthy, and I feel like
this is a real weird thing. We've gotten too in
the twenty first century. I'm not entirely sure that that

(01:05:06):
the technology is assisting us on this. I also reserve
the option to change my opinion later on when he
starts dating girls and wanting to you know, you know,
then I might even tag the hell out of him.
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(01:05:47):
twenty twenty four was up five hundred percent. We can
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or coal? Yeah, well done, guys, Well done.

Speaker 23 (01:06:28):
GJ.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Gardener's with us next because even though things are going
difficult at the moment, badly, you could say, for the
housing market, GJ. Gardner is going to expand. It's the
old user downturn to your own advantage trick. Going to
talk us through it very shortly used talks EB.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
What's up, what's down?

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And how will it affect the economy? Business question is
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Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Evening coming up in the next hour. Chocolate's gone up
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We're going to get you across the details after half
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McKay and End de Brady. It's seven past six now.
New Zealand's biggest residential builder has announced plans to get
even bigger. GJ Gardner Homes wants to grow from thirty

(01:07:25):
one franchises to forty in the next year. It's interesting
timing considering that the housing market isn't in the greatest
shape at the moment. Grant Portius is the joint managing
director of Deacon Holmes, which is GJ. Gardner's master franchiser.

Speaker 25 (01:07:37):
Hey grunt, Hello here they how are you very well?

Speaker 23 (01:07:40):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
As I just said it interesting timing. So is this
a case of you guys taking advantage of a downturn?

Speaker 25 (01:07:47):
I think there's a lot of things involved. So people
will lose. One of the fact that in the downturn,
they're still demand for housing. It's just a best threat amount.
So you need to be more competitive to make sure
you get your share and look after your businesses.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
How do you even have the ability to do it
given that, I mean, you guys must have taken a knock.

Speaker 25 (01:08:02):
Given what's going on we have, we'd be about a
third down I think is and reported. However, the way
we do this is we just keep looking for opportunity
and we measure the calls we're getting to our franchisees.
It's surrounding franchisees and new areas, or to a head office,
go and do some analysis in an area. You look
at the competition in the area and you're back to

(01:08:24):
yourself that you can, with the right people move in
and create a new business in that area. And we've
got new misproven success models and achieving that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
And so is it a case of because others are
hurting at retrenching and maybe even going under, that leaves
market share for you guys to take advantage of it.

Speaker 25 (01:08:41):
Certainly does. We are New Zealand's biggest build or we
have a very competitive proposition and it's not always about
wanting to hurt others. It's about a market meeting good
competitive housing as we know across New Zealand, and we're
a business that can do that. So it's matching ourselves
in the systems we provide with a very good local
cup who often need a hand up to move from

(01:09:02):
being very good builders of a few homes to having
the capability to build forty or fifty homes for their
region and their area.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Grant I see that you say that there is strong
demand for growth in regions, especially outside of Auckland. Are
you seeing a different story emerging here between what's happening
in Auckland what's happening outside of Auckland.

Speaker 25 (01:09:20):
Yes, certainly the Auckland market remains challenging. Land remains challenging
and new land coming on streams maybe some time. And
I think as we all know, there has been a
lot of people moving from Auckland and taking the advantage
of of going to regions where land's cheaper, so you're
in housing product comes through the better price and just
for that quality of life away from some of the

(01:09:41):
challenges we face living in Auckland.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Are you still seeing you know that thing that happened
during lockdown where everybody wanted to move to the Coramandal
because you know you could have a beautiful life, good
life balance and still be able to work remotely. Is
that still happening.

Speaker 25 (01:09:53):
Well, I don't think it's quite so much that people
are looking to move to those resort pliant places, but
it we have the franchise and the Coramant forms very well,
but more christ you just become a market with the rebuild.
It's a modern city. There's a lot of opportunity and
a lot of growth, and I do think New Zealanders
are starting to really see out in the rural regions.
It's not just about affordability, and it's not and the

(01:10:15):
work opportunities that do exist. It's all about lifestyle, getting
connecting back to nature, getting out of mountain bikes and
enjoying all those sorts of things. And I think people
from COVID is the alying the fact that they want
to work to live, not live to work.

Speaker 7 (01:10:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Look, I look at what's happening in the housing market
and measures that have been taken by the likes of
the Reserve Bank and the government and stuff like that,
the detis and all that kind of stuff. I do
not see the market ever picking up and running as
full noise hot as it has in the past.

Speaker 25 (01:10:45):
What do you think I'd support you with that? I
think anything have to realize that when we had demand
of fifty thousand permits, we were never building to that level.
At best, we had a capability in New Zealand of
around thirty five thousand permits. And I never look and say, well,
the best decade was this, So that's going to push
repeat Once we come out of this lower time, you

(01:11:08):
look and assess, well, what's in front of us and
what can we do and what games can we play
to participate in that. So part of that for us
is about being growing our skill set, grown our resources,
moving into density building, moving with the new typologies that
are coming available, and looking where we can help in
that area to build homes with great amenity, but medium
density and homes that people can enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
How long do you think before the market does start
picking up.

Speaker 25 (01:11:33):
We have seen a list right now, and I'm not
saying that just to be positive. I'm the new Plymouth
as I speak to you, I've just come from a
new show home where they're actually thinking about asking through
make appointments because there are salespeople went out to get
a break during the day. They're having over thirty couples
visited day on weekends and still going to demand during
the week. I left Wong an He yesterday and most

(01:11:55):
people Wong and He's looking beautiful and I've done a
wonderful job there. The council heads up to it, and
as I left, I've got a call from one of
our team and they just considered a twenty two house
contract signature to build some new homes through there. So
things are certainly happening. I don't ever count hope by
or worry too much about what governments are. Now look

(01:12:16):
at what's in front of us. And so we're seeing
increased numbers through our show homes in the rural areas,
increased numbers of clients paying to us a deposit to
get concepts drawn, and we've certainly seen that uplist in
the last two months. It's been quite incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey, Grant, thank you, really appreciate talking
to you, and best of luck with your plans. It's
Grant Porteus, JJ Gardner, Holmes, Heather. I've worked for Grant.
He's a very smart man with the ego Jim Hither,
you shouldn't make any big calls about kids and helicopter
parents when you only have one young child. In some
suburbs and environments, it's a wise thing to do. Well,
according to the parenting podcast that I've been listening to,

(01:12:53):
it's never a wise thing to do. Actually, I'll have
you know, and if I have to choose between what
you've got to say and some neuroscientists who are parenting
experts to go with that, they reckon it's really bad
because what you do as a helicopter parent, as you
protect your child from everything all of the time, and
then what happens, of course, is because you don't give
them the ability to develop their own sense of what
is risky and what isn't, they rely on you to

(01:13:15):
do it. Then they go out into the big wide
world and they're like eighteen years old and they have
no bloody idea because mummy's not there anymore.

Speaker 13 (01:13:21):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
All suburbs and all environments are probably dangerous in some
way either. Talking about mums who stand by and what
sher children fall in a pool. My mum had three
of us boys under five, and she couldn't stop us
sneaking down to the wolves by the sea closer to home.
She was worried we're going to fall in the water
without her there. So the solution was that she first
warned us and then next time we went down without her,
she came down and she threw us all in the water,

(01:13:44):
and it worked. We never went back, not accompanied while
we were young. That's pretty good, isn't it. Fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dup
to see Ellen with the business hours. Thanks to my
HR the HR platform for SME on US talks edb.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Jam McKay's with us shortly at seventeen past six. Now chocolate,
olive oil, butter and takeaways the ones that pushed up
food price inflation in August. Overall food prices increased zero
point four percent in the year to August thirty one.
That's not bad. But look at this. Okay, let this
be the lesson to you that you should be eating
the fruit and veggies and not the chocolate, because those
prices were down twelve percent. Liam dan Is, The Herald's
Business editor at large.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
A lamb get a either, why is chocolate up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Twenty percent on last year? That's a lot.

Speaker 12 (01:14:26):
Yeah, chocolate and olive oil both at the at the
actual growing end.

Speaker 5 (01:14:30):
You know, Africa for chocolate.

Speaker 12 (01:14:31):
And Southern Mediterranean area for olive oil, both have had
terribly disruptive growing seasons and that's pushed the whole wholesale
price up.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
And well, you know, olive oil and particularly is sort
of like double what it used to be. So yeah,
that's a shame.

Speaker 12 (01:14:46):
But hey, it's never been a better time to get
a cage of potatoes, according to statsin z So there
you go.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
I just cook it. And some other oil fry them
and some fry your chips and something else.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yeah, what about butter, No, that's expensive as well.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
Yeah that was another one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Oh yeah, okay, so no potato and butter, so boil them.
What what else apart from potatoes, has has come down
in price.

Speaker 12 (01:15:05):
Well, the good news really when you when you sort
of get below the sort of headline items that we
like to put in headlines is that, you know, petrol,
transport costs, even even rental starting to ease or stabilize.
So there was enough there that the economists are looking
at that and going, Okay, that's that's pretty good. That's
that's disinflation still.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
It's the sort of.

Speaker 12 (01:15:28):
Last vestige is inflation coming out and and the and
they're confident now that we'll see annual consumer price and
X inflation four below two point fall to about two
point five something like that, So below three, which is
where the Reserve Bank has to have it and the
sort of bet the house on it really by cutting
rates already. So and this is the last lot of

(01:15:49):
you know, partial inflation data we get before that, and
of course we get another Reserve Bank call before we
see the full consumer price and x inflation, so odds
will get another cut before then, so they'd be looking
pretty silly if it didn't didn't come down.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
But it is looking pretty good from here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
GDP data is out this week or do you want
to take a punt on what we're going to see.

Speaker 12 (01:16:10):
Yeah, well it's going to be an economic contraction of
some sort.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
I mean the Reserve Bank had said zero point five.

Speaker 12 (01:16:16):
I've seen economists picking from zero point one, zero point
four something like that. So that's we bounced out of
recession in the March quarter. So contracting again means we're
not quite in another recession. But I've seen it described
i think by Michael Gordon a WESTPEC as a rolling
mall of recession. It's really just bouncing around in and

(01:16:37):
out of recession. So yeah, nothing good in that second quarter,
but it is a bit historic, and it might be
the worst quarter before the interest rates start to look
a bit better and we all start to feel a
bit happier.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Liam, Thank you very much, really appreciate it, mate, Liam
Dan The Herald's Business editor at large, Heather Mum left
us at the mall after we kept disappearing on her.
We had to find the main office we had to
remember our phone number, we had to call her up,
we had to apologize, and she came and picked us up.
We were pissed at the time, but looking back, it
was a good exercise. We didn't disappear again. Interesting, right,
that's I mean, that's tough. Your mum is tough. I

(01:17:10):
got mad respect for that, actually, But that's the opposite
of helicopter parenting right there, because you're letting them actually
learn by themselves. Listen yesterday, Probably the best thing that
I would say of the two things, the debate or
the Taylor Swift endorsement, I would think the Taylor Swift
endorsement actually is more important to Kamala Harris. The question
that is now being asked by the media is whether

(01:17:31):
Taylor Swift's endorsement will actually matter and not necessarily is
the answer that they've come to because Taylor has in
the past endorsed people who've gone on to lose. But
she's obviously endorsed people have gone on to win, like
Joe Biden, but she's also endorsed people who've gone on
to lose, like in twenty eighteen, she endorsed a Democrat
Phil Bredesen for Congress and he lost. To be fair

(01:17:52):
to her, she endorsed him. I think it was with
a matter of days before the election, and it was
a red state that he was in, so he was
kind of up against it. But still, even if she
had pushed up his numbers, she hadn't pushed it up
sufficiently to be able to win. In celebrity endorsements in
and of themselves are not necessarily always good things. In
twenty sixteen, there was the feeling that actually there were
too many celebrity endorsements of Hillary Clinton. So she started

(01:18:13):
and it started to hurt her because she started to
look like the celebrities, you know, the celebrity presidential candidate,
rather than the normal person like It strengthened the sense
that she was a candidate for the liberal elite, and
Carmela is maybe I'm not saying she's anywhere near that yet,
but she's headed in that direction because she has got
a lot of the elite endorsing her. What Tete, though,

(01:18:36):
excuse me, is really good at is getting people to
register to vote. So last year she put up an
Instagram story and it led to a twenty three percent
increase in voter registration and twenty three percent is massive, man,
And in twenty eighteen also did an Instagram post led
to sixty five thousand new registrations in twenty four hours.
Now that may be her key, because like I said yesterday,

(01:18:57):
I don't think that debate has shifted anyone one way.
It's not changing anyone's mind. The question for these guys,
given how close the polls are, is can they get
their people to register and vote? And if Tate can
help Carmela with that, maybe she's onto something. Six twenty two, the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Rural Report on hither do for Sea Allen drive that
we're a.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Couple earning over six hundred thousand dollars combined and have
stopped buying olive oil because it's crazyly priced at twenty
four dollars per lieter at countdown. I can understand this,
just sometimes it's just the Prince bal at six twenty
five Jamie McKay, host of the Countries with Us.

Speaker 16 (01:19:31):
Now, hey, Jamie, let's how you get six hundred grand? Well, yeah,
because a watch the pennies and the pounds look after themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Who right, and then you can make it a lot
more than that. Jamie. That's very good advice. Thank you
for that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
I hear that there's some talk of us getting into
who Who grub farming? Is this going to take off?

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
Well?

Speaker 16 (01:19:47):
I don't know who knew it was the thing I
picked up on a story online. And the good news
about who Who grub farming Heather is it could solve
a very troubling forestry slash problem. So who Who grubs
have been a valuable and sustainable food sauce here in
New Zelle and Maori have long held that who Who
grubs and nutritious and safe for human consumption and the

(01:20:10):
environmental benefit is that basically you feed them up on
the forestry slash. And I didn't realize this either, but
some guy by the name of Patrick Clements as far
back as the early nineteen eighties was writing in the
New Zealand Farmer suggesting that we should be farming Whoho
grub and he makes where he made an important case
for converting wood to edible proteins because grubs are rich

(01:20:33):
in proteins, minerals and fats. In fact, who who grubs
Heather who knew this have high proteins or proteins as
high as thirty percent. That's higher than beef, lamb chicken,
and chickpeas. They're also rich in amino acids, and insects
around the world have been domesticated. I guess you have
to tame who who grubs before you eat them, and

(01:20:54):
they're being farmed sustainably. But in all seriousness, I think
letting the who who grubs domestically farming them and letting
them loose on the forestry slash is a great way
to convert wasted wood into protein.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
It sounds smart.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
Have you ever tried one?

Speaker 16 (01:21:09):
No, and I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Well, there's your problem, Jamie, is that it's gonna the
mindset shift that you have to take to eat one
of these things that does not look like something you
would normally put in your mouth. It's quite a lot.

Speaker 16 (01:21:24):
Yeah, but we might be able to export who who
Grub to other places around the world where people don't
give a tough amount about grubs. Yeah like that, Hey, Aaron,
who who grubs? Farming?

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Jeez, Jamie, when you put your money there, I will
put it in my mouth and let's just say it
like that.

Speaker 25 (01:21:42):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
If I see you backing this as an export idea,
I'm going to eat one for you listen to live exports.
The demand is waiting for this apparently, is it.

Speaker 16 (01:21:51):
Yeah, Well, you might remember that the Labor government put
a ban on live animal exports by sea in April
of last year. The current government's talking about reopening this
and this is a new and I have discussed this before.
It's been very divisive in the New Zealand farming community.
It's almost fifty to fifty split down the middle. Look
at wasworth potentially five hundred million to US half a

(01:22:13):
billion a year. But what a latest store just released
report from Rabobank is saying is that the demand has
slowed to a trickle in China for our dairy heifers
because that's basically what we were sending over there. So
even if we do reinstate this previously lucrative a live
dairy trade the hefers to China, we may not get

(01:22:35):
much demand because look back and back in twenty twenty
two it peaked it. This is out of Australasia, US
and the eusi's two hundred and thirty thousand head. We've
sent eight hundred and fifteen thousand dairy heifers from Australia
and New Zealand in the five years up to twenty
twenty three. However, as I said, it's just it's trickled

(01:22:56):
to a Holt now annual decline of eighty three percent.
These cow so these dairy hippers were worth US three
thousand dollars, that's like over five grand and our money.
But now though and last year they fell to fifteen hundred,
So even if we reinstate this week may not have
a market.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Jamie, thank you, appreciate it. Jammy MacKaye Hosts of the Country. Right,
I'm going to tell you about the spacewalk next, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
It's macro micro or just playing economics. It's all on
the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and My Hr
the HR Solution for busy SMEs news DOGSV.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Hey, we're going to have Inde Brady out of the
UK with us very shortly in foo Farter's News before
Dave Grohl told us today yesterday, sorry yesterday that he'd
had another baby and this is a baby not with
his wife of twenty years, and would shocked us all
before he told us that it now transpires that he

(01:24:09):
got himself a divorce attorney, so he's already retained a
divorce attorney, and then he announced it and then the
people people, you know, the publication people's gone to his
rep and ask them him the rep about it, and
they are not responding. Now, what that tells you is
that Dave Grohl's wife has some self respect. You're not

(01:24:30):
going to stand for this, and good on her. Twenty
three away from seven, we are about to have a
first out in space. It's the first ever private citizens
who will do a space walk, as in like normal
punters like you, well, semi normal, that's still billionaires, but
otherwise normal punters like you and I not actually astronauts.
It's two billionaires who've paid to go up to space
with SpaceX and do the space walk, which actually is

(01:24:51):
about the most dangerous thing that you can do once
you're up in space. Josh Araki is Star Dome's astronomer
and with us right now on this.

Speaker 6 (01:24:59):
Hey, Josh Guilder, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Well? Think you would you do this?

Speaker 16 (01:25:04):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
I mean if I was given the chance, I honestly
probably would just for the views, but I think the
technicalities it's a pretty scary thing to be doing in space.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yet why is it so dangerous?

Speaker 6 (01:25:14):
I mean, yeah, space is a vacuum, so you know,
there's there's no air, you would suffocate. It's extremely hot
if you're in the sun, it's freezing if you're in
the shadows. So it's kind of just the most inhospitable
environments for humans. And you know to comba that you need,
you know, really heavily heavy levels of protection. So you
know you need a space it you need all the
stuff to protect you, but not just a space that,
you also need all the stuff that keeps you alive,

(01:25:36):
so you know, water, oxygen, pretty much everything.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Yeah, now it sounds like these So with the NASA guys,
when they go out for a space walk, they've got
jet packs attached to them, right, so presumably that is
if they somehow become untethered and float off, they can
zoom back to wherever they need to get back to,
not Earth obviously just the Shuttle. But these guys don't
need that.

Speaker 6 (01:25:56):
No, so these are very different. So when you see
like astroauts on the space station doing so, they have
their EMU units, which is basically like it's a jetpack basically,
but even with that, they're basically tethered to the space station,
so there's no risk of them, you know, flying off.
But what we're gonna what we're going to see tonight
is basically these spacesuits modified versions of suits that they
already use, so they're quite mobile. You can move pretty

(01:26:18):
well in them, but they don't have that big bulky backpack.
So to get those life support systems, you know, oxygen
all that, they're basically going to be on umbilical cords.
So they're going to be tethered into the spacecraft and
that's going to provide them with the life support systems
as opposed to those massive backpacks that you kind of
usually seen space.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Yeah, which is good, right because it means if they
were somehow to let go accidentally, they would still be
able to be hauled back in.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
You'd assume, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:26:41):
So you're tether it to your spacecraft, there's no risk
of them, you know, floating off in a you know,
Syndra bullock S gravity moment. But yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Josh, Listen. They're going up there to test these spacesuits, right,
They've got to do the twisting and all that stuff.
Would you trust anything made by Elon Musk the first
time around?

Speaker 6 (01:26:59):
I mean it's he's obviously a very controversial person.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
But didn't you see what's happened to the teaselers.

Speaker 6 (01:27:06):
I mean, you know, I can speak to space, I
can't speak to cars.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Yeah, but you know, like it's kind of just if
there's a pattern, you know, like autopilot on the car
doesn't work, spacesuit bursts. I don't know, what are you s.

Speaker 6 (01:27:16):
Yeah, I mean I put it this way. I don't
trust it on musk, but I trust the engineers at SpaceX.
I mean the amount of work and advancements in terms
of rocketry and space expression that they've done in the
last few years, it's really incredible. And you look at
the speed of what they're being able to do it,
it's really amazing. So it's you know, the thousands of
workers at SpaceX that are doing all the hard work

(01:27:36):
for me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Yeah, okay, that's a fair point. Do you think this
is going to take off? I mean, obviously at the
moment it's the plaything of billionaires because of the costs
and stuff like that. But in the future, do you
think people are going to want to go up there
and do this thing just for a bit of a laugh.

Speaker 6 (01:27:49):
I mean, it's always going to cost a lot of money.
I don't think it's ever going to be you know,
it's cheap as a plane ticket, as a billionaire might teut,
but you know it will be an industry. I think
there'll be an industry of tourism where you know, wealthy
people can out of space. But the reality is no
one really wants to go to space, you know, just
for starting. It's not necessarily a fun environment. I think
it would be beautiful and amazing to experience, but as

(01:28:11):
you know, it's being there for a long periods of time,
it's just not a nice thing. It's really bad on
the human body. There's a lot of isolation, and you know,
you're literally away from everything that you know, so it's
just the most unfamiliar environment that.

Speaker 25 (01:28:22):
You can think of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Yeah, I think you'll bang on there. It's a little
bit like going to an Antarctica, but even worse. Josh,
thank you appreciate it is always good to talk to you.
That's Josh Iodaki, who is a stardom's astronomer on elon mask.
Did you see what he said to Taty So when
Taity did the endorsement of Kamala Harrison, then she signed
off Taylor's with childless cat Lady. Elon responded to her
and said, I will give you a child. Oh, I mean,

(01:28:44):
stop at Elon there, what a creep, creep, hard out
creep or just could potentially be suffering from the billionaire's disease,
which is and I feel like Trumpy suffers from this
as well, when when you're so wealthy that nobody tells
you anymore when you say dumb things because everybody around

(01:29:05):
you relies on your money, so you just say dumb
things and they just go m and Trumpy as a result,
has just started to learn that that's kind of what
you do. But feel like Elon's doing the same thing here.
We're like, no, no, mate, don't say that, because the
thing about Elon that you need to understand is Elon
has given a lot of ladies a lot of children already,
and so he might not be joking speaking of children now,

(01:29:28):
children in screen time and sorry because I am aware
that the show has been very heavy on the children today,
but you know, sometimes this is going to happen, right,
and many of us are children, so we'll just go
with it. A lot of parents stress out about the
screen time because you don't want to give the gets
too much screen time that they become little nutters and
misbehave and get like whirly eyes, you know, and that happens.

(01:29:49):
But you also sometimes it's like a lot of work, right,
so sometimes you just want to cook dinner in peace,
and so you just put them from the screen for
like half an hour, forty minutes hour whatever. New Zealand research,
the research it's been done here. I think it's more too.
Research has done. It shows that more than four hours
of screen time a day is linked to significant behavioral
problems for preschool kids. Now you do, like, if you're
giving a five year old, I'm under more than four

(01:30:11):
hours of talia day, just stop bad idea. However, once
kids are eight years are over eight years old, apparently
you can give them four hours. I still think that's
too much, but whatever, you know, like to can't argue
with the science. The research also found though, and this
is the important thing for mums. Listen to this, mums,
low maternal stress is linked to fewer behavioral problems. So

(01:30:33):
if you are not stressed out, your child is actually
gonna behave a lot better. If you're just like a
chill mummy, then the child's going to be a chill
baby and screen time actually because it helps you have
a bit of a break, could in fact be good
for your stress levels, therefore the child's behavioral issues. So
what they're trying to say is four hours is too much,
but maybe none is also a little too hard. So

(01:30:53):
somewhere in between you and get that perfect. I wish
they'd told us and you can do one hour, you know,
but they didn't. Anyways, you can have to guess it.
Seventeen away from.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Seven everything from SME sort of big Corporates, the Business
Hour with hither duperic out and my HR the HR
solution for busy SMEs on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
I should have actually told you that SpaceX spacewalk was
supposed to happen this hour between six and seven, but
it's been delayed by four hours and there's no official
explanation for why. But anyway, you know, see it, old musk,
everything will be fine. Fourteen away from seven and Indo
Brady UK correspondence with us. Now, Hey, Inda, Hello, Heather,
great sopeak to you again. Yes, so, Keir starm has
found out that the NHS is a bit stuffed.

Speaker 5 (01:31:35):
Yes he has.

Speaker 26 (01:31:35):
Look, you've got to applaud him because one of the
first things he did on going into Number ten Downing
Street was Commissioner report. He knew stuffed but he just
wanted to see how badly. And the report is in
it makes terrible reading. Basically everything is being held back
and it's not for you know, a want of money
or people or resources. It's the management, it's the lack

(01:31:58):
of intelligence. It's the British Medical Association and its conservative
leadership apparently holding a lot of things back. So Stamer's
going to give a speech in the next few hours.
The NHS National Health Service here is a cherished institution
running since nineteen forty seven and it's free from the
point of entry with treatment, you know, from cradle to grave,

(01:32:19):
and Starmer basically is going to tell the British public
today that it requires major surgery, not another sticking plaster.
Absolutely every aspect of the NHS is going to get
reformed under Starmer's leadership. And I think it's been half
a century in the comingness, it really has. So let's
see if Starmer can do something that no Prime minister

(01:32:41):
has managed to achieve before.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
What does he mean by major surgery? Has he has
he given us any indication of what it is that
he's thinking of doing.

Speaker 26 (01:32:49):
I think, for a start, they're going to stop chucking
money at hospitals that are not performing. I mean, you've
got a lot of very highly paid consultants and senior
leadership in the NHS and the money keeps going to
certain hospitals, but the results are not there, and it
will be the same as you know, pumping money into
a failing rugby team or a footy club and expecting

(01:33:11):
wins to keep coming and nothing has been happening. I mean,
they've made zero progress. This is one really scary stat
early detection of cancer in the UK in the last decade.
The report says they have made zero progress. There are
far better countries in the world with smaller economies and
less money than the UK and they are smashing this. So,

(01:33:34):
I mean, you know, there's a lot of arrogance I
think here in the medical profession, the money. You know,
they have a great lifestyle, these guys and girls. Yeah,
they highly qualified people, but let's be blunt here, they
have not been delivering bang for the book for a
very very long time. And I think Starmar's going to
sort that out.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Well he's hoping. I mean, you really need this sometimes,
don't you. Okay, this Andrew film that's going to come out,
how bad is it?

Speaker 26 (01:33:58):
It's really bad, views her in and I'm not talking about,
you know, entertainment value bad. It's excellent entertainment. But in
terms of Andrew's reputation and legacy and the fact that
you know, a lot of people will see these imagined
conversations behind the scenes and take it as fact. It's
called a Very Royal Scandal. It's made by Emily Maitliss.

(01:34:19):
It's basically horror version of the events leading up to
and including the now notorious interview with Andrew talking about
his pal, the pedophile Epstein. So it pulls now punches.
Andrew comes across as an extremely unlikable, extremely unpleasant, very thick,

(01:34:39):
entitled man, and the timing of it could not be
worse because Charles now is going all out on this
issue of Royal Lodge. He does not want to keep
paying six million dollars a year to keep his brother
in that house with his ex wife. Charles wants him out.
And the major headline the other day from a friend
of Charles talking to the papers, which must have been

(01:35:00):
clear by the King himself was pay your way or
pack your bags. That's how bad it's got between them
and this film lands next week.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Okay, so he will use it as ammunition to be
able to try to basically evict Andrew. But where does
Andrew go if he gets evicted?

Speaker 26 (01:35:14):
So well, there's a beautifully restored cottage that costs somewhere
in the region of eight million dollars the innovation to
Frogmore Cottage, which wasn't good enough for Megan and Harry,
but it's certainly deemed good enough for Andrew. And that's
where Charles wants him to go. It's in the grounds
of Windsor. It's within the security cordon and it's there,

(01:35:36):
and it's empty and for a bachelor man apparently in
his sixties, you know, that's where the King wants his
younger brother to go. Andrew's kicking back, but he hasn't
got a leg to stand on. I mean, the guy
can't be seen in public. He will get ridiculed if
he appears anywhere, and he is of no use to
the royal family. And I think what we saw this

(01:35:56):
week really positive news from the Princess of Wales. That's
cancer free. We've seen Charles embracing your rugby players last
night and hugs and a beautiful song they sung for him.
You know, it has been a positive week for the
House of Windsor, but I think they're bracing themselves for
next week. Courtesy of good old uncle Andrew yet again.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Yeah, once again, Hey, thank you ind as always, We'll
talk to you again next week. That's the end of
Brady are UK correspondent. I'm going to run you through
some little food packaging tricks that are used on us
to get us to buy things. It's absolutely fascinating. Very
quickly though, Biden's put a Trump had on, so he
was he was out at a fire station in Pennsylvania
and somebody there gave him a Trump twenty twenty four

(01:36:38):
hat and he chucked it on his head. And it's
very hard to know whether that's a smart moved. That's interesting.
It's like, is he his people are trying to say
that the reason that he did that was in the
spirit of bipartisanship unity and we need to get back
to that and we need to be mates with each
other again. And sort of like, yeah, if it was
somebody who you felt had their marbles a little bit
more together. You said, actually, yeah, that's probably what happened.

(01:36:59):
But it's Biden, So you just wonder whether he was
just completely gaga at that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
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Speaker 9 (01:37:27):
It be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
So I find this absolutely fascinating and by the way,
it's coming up five away from seven. I find this
absolutely fascinating. Apparently there are all these little tricks that
food packaging and packages use on us to get us
to buy the food and consider it to be better
quality than it actually is. Little things like color is
used quite a lot, so for example, they will put
oranges in a red netting bag and presumably also in

(01:37:50):
a white one because it makes the oranges look more orange.
That contrast is something that works really well for them.
So so then you want to buy it all because
it looks like like it's going to be more tasty.
Fplamentary color or contrasting colors are used all of the time,
so they'll use, for example, the Hindz baked Beans tin. Right,
it's a turquoise packaging, and the reason they use turquoise

(01:38:11):
is because it makes the beans on the tin look
really really red. They'll do things as well, like use
red and yellow together because apparently red and yellow or
even red on its own, are believed widely believed to
stimulate your appetite, which is why McDonald's, for example, uses
the colors. And also I suppose KFC because they are
read as well. All the colors mean something as well,

(01:38:33):
so green has connotations of health and eco friendliness. Blue
is associated with cold, which is why you're often going
to get your ice bags, and blue also low fat,
low calorie foods. White means simplicity or blandness. Deep colors
in a matte, black mean luxury. This is weird. Certain
words are associated with certain shapes. It's known as the

(01:38:54):
buba kiki effect because the word buba sounds soft and rounded,
whereas kiki sounds sharp and spiky, and so sharp words
and sharp fonts are matched with sour and bitter tastes,
while round like bubo words and rounded fonts are used
with sweeter tastes. There's a whole bunch of stuff that

(01:39:14):
they do with that as well, with like the fonts
and stuff like this. But what about this one. This
is weird. They use noisy packaging for noisy food, like
your chips chippies which are noisy when you eat them,
come in a noisy package. But also playing French or
German music in the wine section of the supermarket has
been shown to increase sales of French or German wine
by as much as thirty percent, even when the consumer

(01:39:35):
says it has no effect on them. How amazing. Ants
we're being manipulated everywhere.

Speaker 27 (01:39:39):
Yeah, but I tell you what, I would not mind
hearing a bit more darft paint when I'm shopping in
the Yelker section of the superhot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
I don't think that's the kind of music. It's more
like Edith prre.

Speaker 5 (01:39:46):
Oh Okay Okay.

Speaker 27 (01:39:50):
Espresso by Sabrina Carpenter to players out tonight. The mtvvms
have happened today and this was voted Song of the
Year by the judges. Video of the Year went to
Taylor Swift and Postline with Fort Taylors have also one
Artist of the Year and Chapel Roone was the best
New Artist.

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
Thanks and I appreciate that very much. Of course, answer
is the only person in the world is Dave Punk
French or German for French. The only person in the
world who knows that see you tomorrow and used.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
To be.

Speaker 7 (01:40:36):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
What's the least?

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
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