September 12, 2024 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute and Ali Jones from Red PR joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Donald Trump dominated the post-debate discussion with his outlandish statements about immigrants, abortion and the economy. Will the 'cats and dogs' and 'transgender operations' comments hurt his campaign - or do supporters not care?
Can Health NZ achieve its targets with no extra money on hand?
Auckland mayor Wayne Brown unveiled his plan for a second harbour crossing - does this scheme have legs or is it totally bonkers.
Zara and Mike Tindall raised a few eyebrows over their decision to put Apple AirTags on their kids to track them. Is this a good idea?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, on the huddle with me this evening. I've
got Tim Wilson, Maximumstitute, and Allie Jones, Red Pierre. Hello
you two, Hi Heather? Right, Allie?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Halo? Very well? Thank you? Tim? Answer this question from me, Alie,
Why does anyone support someone who says things as stupid
as Donald Trump does?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
What a forrest gum say stupid is as stupid does?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I mean?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Honestly, I think the point Look, he could say anything,
couldn't he He could say anything, But what's the What's more
interesting I think than this cat and dog rubbish is
the comment about she wants to do transgender operations on
illegal aliens that are in prison, right, because that's the
other thing that people are going, You've gotta be kidding.
(00:45):
But look, I don't I don't think that he could
say anything that could be considered too mad for people
to believe his people will believe anything.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes, I think you're right, Tim. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
No? I don't believe anything. What we're seeing here, though,
is Donald Trump. We're all talking about Donald Trump. The
day after the debate. It's the unearned media difference. Yes,
so I think with the Hillary Clinton campaign you raise it,
but earlier it's like, why the hell are we talking
about this, Heather, And it works for Trump. It gives
him visibility, it gives him cut through for one of
(01:21):
a better word, and I just I would say, you know, okay,
so Trump Trump said something that was I think it
well clearly unsupported, unsupportable, possibly a conspiracy theory. But Kamala
Harris needed to be fact checked on all the films
that she was saying about the US army, not an
active duty, not true guns. I'm pro guns, actually mandatory buyback,
(01:42):
supported them in twenty nineteen. Abortion are actually her running mate.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You have just struck on something that is absolutely fascinating.
Tim Right, those two ABC moderators only fact checked him,
didn't fact check her. And because of that, five times, yep,
people watching, people watching who are leaning towards Trump will go, yeah, well,
there's your media bias. So I'm not going to listen
to you any more meat mainstream media and for that
reason they just choose to ignore you can fact check
(02:09):
the hell out of him. Nobody cares in his support
base because your bias is on show.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yes, yeah, yeah, And I think also it's attitudes to authority.
So people are drawn to Trump because he seems he
seems to he not seem to. He questions authority. So
when you see authority figures like those quote unquote moderators
fact checking him five times, letting Kamala run, you know,
run a bit loose, let's say, then they're going to go,
(02:35):
my sympathies are with this guy.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
At what point though? At what point? And it's Kamala
by the way, just want to mention that Karmala Kamala,
I'm sounding like my bad yeah, yeah, no, No, At
what point do people go you are an absolute, raving lunatic.
You want to you're saying she will kill babies at
nine months? So I do take your points that you know,
(03:01):
he's challenging authority and people love that, and it's a
bit of dog whistle stuff, But at what point will
people start to go you are an absolute lum.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
This is what this is. This is what I'm saying, Ali,
is that people do not think he's a lunatic because
they go on the Internet and they find the tiniest
speric of evidence that suggests that there may be a
bit of truth to what he's saying, and that's enough.
And because they don't trust the mainstream media anymore, and
that is our own fault. They actually choose to trust
him over us.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
God help us all.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, but the fact is, but like so for example,
with that with the abortion thing, late term abortion, Okay,
he said, executive that's the wrong thing, but babies are
left to die. And her running mate Tim Wolds actually
took the reporting of this out of the legislation in
the state he was governor of. So there is there
is a there is that. Yeah, it's it's clear. It's
(03:52):
not it's not as clear cut as as she is
making out or as he is making out, but there's
a scaic there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, Ali, does it answer you? Do you feel like
you can understand it a bit better now? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I can, But I still think you are not going
to change these people's minds at all. I mean, I
was thrilled to actually see someone come up against Trump
who could actually put some words together and and you know,
have a reasonably coherent argument. I think those pleasing about it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
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Speaker 2 (04:27):
Tim Wilson Allie Jones back on the huddle with that's listened. Tim.
I spoke to Health New Zealand Andrew Connolly at the
start of this hour. I'm not convinced by their plan
for how they're going to get on top of things
and reduce all of those those targets that they're supposed
to because while they have a kind of outline of
what to do, there's no there's no flesh on those bones.
They don't even where they're gonna get the money from.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Did you did you? Did you ask about timelines? No?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I didn't ask about timelines. I got stuck on money.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
See. Oh yeah, well that's that's the that's the bit
that seems to be missing, because you know, everyone knows that, Okay,
it's great to have a target, and I love the
target because we and hold them accountable, et cetera, et cetera.
But I don't have a timeline, then you don't really
have a target.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, this is true, Ali, Did you feel convinced it all?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
No? No, I agree with Tim. I think targets are good.
But I do think as well that the one of
the big issues is retention. It's all very well and
good to talk about recruiting and you know, but we
would need to recruit far fewer if we actually retained
people a lot more. And I hear that it takes
sixteen years to actually train an oncologist in this country
(05:29):
and we're just losing them to overseas. I did hear
as far as timelines go, they did? They not say
that Fatorua had inputs some details and data from July one,
which gave them a base to work from. Yeah, but
I haven't heard though, Tim, what beyond July one is
the date that.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They're going going to review those? But look, I agree
with you. I think we've got to have targets so
that we can hold people again. You're too right, Tim.
I love the sound of the second harbor bridge that
goes through Point Chevalier comes out the other side at
Cody Point. Drive over a reef. What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Oh? Like the part of the poll on the Indied
Herold website. There's sixty percent is in favor of it
and twenty I think twenty percent hate it and fourteen
percent of like Elie, they don't care because they probably
live in christ Church but no, I think it sounds
like a great idea.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, well, one of.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The issues for someone down here because I don't kind
of I don't get it. So if people are really
liking it, if people are really liking it, what are
the twenty percent pushing back against? Is it an environmental issue?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, So what you'll have is you'll have like reef
lovers who will be really upset that we're we're we're
going to we're going to bust up the ecology of
the reef. But also, Ali, you have got all of
these people in Point chev who are bloody noisy because
they have been winging about the roads there for the
longest time, and now they're going to just keep on
winging to the herald about their houses being sold in
(06:52):
the motional great big motorway going through their suburb. That's
what it's going to be, Nimbi, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I thought I thought they were into it. I had
a local resident, Madama Alexander, was quoted as saying, it's
a good idea.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I thought I read the opposite alternative facts, Tim what, well,
how did we I'm gonna have to go, you know what,
I'm gonna have to go and dig this out because
somehow we've interpreted the same information completely opposite.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So oh no, you know what, you know what's happening.
It's a Trump situation, That's what I think. Well, now
we go when we have to go back to talking
about Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, oh no, hey, okay, what do you what do
you think Ellie of Mike and Zara Tindall air tagging
their kids.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Can you tell me have they told the kids? I
haven't had a chance to look at the story yet,
because that's the key to me.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yes, So that the ten year old Miya has got
the air tag clipped to the kind of like you know,
the little the belt loop on her jeans, so like,
unless she's dumb, she knows it's there. Stupid, stupid.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, no, look, I I don't have a problem with
it at all. I think the issue is if you're
going to hide it or sew it into the inside
of the lining of the backpack, that's probably a bit sneaky.
But I think that you there's not a problem with that,
And I think you should give them to your kids,
give them to your husband, any other family members that
you may need, to pets, whatever, But as long as
they know that's the key.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I've got a problem with it. Okay, Well what do
you think.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Tim, Well, we've already done it. We've actually surgically done
it for all of our kids. They're all air tagged.
And here's the deal. What we did was we put
a sheepskin over them. We got them to say meow,
and we took them to the guy gave them for
twenty five bucks each.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Ridiculous on here, because it's a real conundrum for a parent,
right because Allie, you I'm going to come to you
because Tim's obviously being ridiculous. Allie, it's a conundrum because
you want your child. You don't want your child wandering
off in a mall and then losing them, and the
air tag will help you to find them, but at
some point you also have to let them be their
own person and be answerable for Yeah, you can't. Who
(08:47):
wants to helicopter the helicopter parent them forever.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I don't think it's helicopter parenting them at all, as
long as they know what's helly, what age do you?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
What age do you stop the air tagging?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I would say, you know, plucking a figure out of
the year about fourteen and I'm very.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
When you send them, when you send them to Europe
for a holiday there yourself.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
No, And I'm very very supportive of kids harnesses. I think,
you know, children as well should be harnessed so.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
They can be Oh my goodness, too.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Much judgy stuff going on here, Allie.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Have you ever done that? We did that in the
more and we were so like with one of our
kids and it was like a little fox terrier and
it's quite cute. And but the eyes, the eyes.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You care too much, Tim, You care too much what
other people think.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, but Tim, would you ever go up to someone
and say what are you looking at? I mean, would
you ever pull someone up on it? Because man, if
someone rolls their eyes at me or looks at me
like that, then I will say to them what are
you looking at?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Allie, no, I go, I go out here, doggie.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
All right, you two, it's good to talk to you.
Thank you very much. It's Tim Wilson, Maxim Institute, Alie
Jones red PR eight away from six For.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
All right, on the huddle with me this evening. I've
got Tim Wilson, Maximumstitute, and Allie Jones, Red Pierre. Hello
you two, Hi Heather? Right, Allie?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Halo? Very well? Thank you? Tim? Answer this question from me, Alie,
Why does anyone support someone who says things as stupid
as Donald Trump does?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
What a forrest gum say stupid is as stupid does?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I mean?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Honestly, I think the point Look, he could say anything,
couldn't he He could say anything, But what's the What's more
interesting I think than this cat and dog rubbish is
the comment about she wants to do transgender operations on
illegal aliens that are in prison, right, because that's the
other thing that people are going, You've gotta be kidding.
(00:45):
But look, I don't I don't think that he could
say anything that could be considered too mad for people
to believe his people will believe anything.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes, I think you're right, Tim. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
No? I don't believe anything. What we're seeing here, though,
is Donald Trump. We're all talking about Donald Trump. The
day after the debate. It's the unearned media difference. Yes,
so I think with the Hillary Clinton campaign you raise it,
but earlier it's like, why the hell are we talking
about this, Heather, And it works for Trump. It gives
him visibility, it gives him cut through for one of
(01:21):
a better word, and I just I would say, you know, okay,
so Trump Trump said something that was I think it
well clearly unsupported, unsupportable, possibly a conspiracy theory. But Kamala
Harris needed to be fact checked on all the films
that she was saying about the US army, not an
active duty, not true guns. I'm pro guns, actually mandatory buyback,
(01:42):
supported them in twenty nineteen. Abortion are actually her running mate.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
You have just struck on something that is absolutely fascinating.
Tim Right, those two ABC moderators only fact checked him,
didn't fact check her. And because of that, five times, yep,
people watching, people watching who are leaning towards Trump will go, yeah, well,
there's your media bias. So I'm not going to listen
to you any more meat mainstream media and for that
reason they just choose to ignore you can fact check
(02:09):
the hell out of him. Nobody cares in his support
base because your bias is on show.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yes, yeah, yeah, And I think also it's attitudes to authority.
So people are drawn to Trump because he seems he
seems to he not seem to. He questions authority. So
when you see authority figures like those quote unquote moderators
fact checking him five times, letting Kamala run, you know,
run a bit loose, let's say, then they're going to go,
(02:35):
my sympathies are with this guy.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
At what point though? At what point? And it's Kamala
by the way, just want to mention that Karmala Kamala,
I'm sounding like my bad yeah, yeah, no, No, At
what point do people go you are an absolute, raving lunatic.
You want to you're saying she will kill babies at
nine months? So I do take your points that you know,
(03:01):
he's challenging authority and people love that, and it's a
bit of dog whistle stuff, But at what point will
people start to go you are an absolute lum.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
This is what this is. This is what I'm saying, Ali,
is that people do not think he's a lunatic because
they go on the Internet and they find the tiniest
speric of evidence that suggests that there may be a
bit of truth to what he's saying, and that's enough.
And because they don't trust the mainstream media anymore, and
that is our own fault. They actually choose to trust
him over us.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
God help us all.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Well, but the fact is, but like so for example,
with that with the abortion thing, late term abortion, Okay,
he said, executive that's the wrong thing, but babies are
left to die. And her running mate Tim Wolds actually
took the reporting of this out of the legislation in
the state he was governor of. So there is there
is a there is that. Yeah, it's it's clear. It's
(03:52):
not it's not as clear cut as as she is
making out or as he is making out, but there's
a scaic there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, Ali, does it answer you? Do you feel like
you can understand it a bit better now? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I can, But I still think you are not going
to change these people's minds at all. I mean, I
was thrilled to actually see someone come up against Trump
who could actually put some words together and and you know,
have a reasonably coherent argument. I think those pleasing about it.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International realty, exceptional marketing
for every property.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Tim Wilson Allie Jones back on the huddle with that's listened. Tim.
I spoke to Health New Zealand Andrew Connolly at the
start of this hour. I'm not convinced by their plan
for how they're going to get on top of things
and reduce all of those those targets that they're supposed
to because while they have a kind of outline of
what to do, there's no there's no flesh on those bones.
They don't even where they're gonna get the money from.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Did you did you? Did you ask about timelines? No?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I didn't ask about timelines. I got stuck on money.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
See. Oh yeah, well that's that's the that's the bit
that seems to be missing, because you know, everyone knows that, Okay,
it's great to have a target, and I love the
target because we and hold them accountable, et cetera, et cetera.
But I don't have a timeline, then you don't really
have a target.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, this is true, Ali, Did you feel convinced it all?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
No? No, I agree with Tim. I think targets are good.
But I do think as well that the one of
the big issues is retention. It's all very well and
good to talk about recruiting and you know, but we
would need to recruit far fewer if we actually retained
people a lot more. And I hear that it takes
sixteen years to actually train an oncologist in this country
(05:29):
and we're just losing them to overseas. I did hear
as far as timelines go, they did? They not say
that Fatorua had inputs some details and data from July one,
which gave them a base to work from. Yeah, but
I haven't heard though, Tim, what beyond July one is
the date that.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
They're going going to review those? But look, I agree
with you. I think we've got to have targets so
that we can hold people again. You're too right, Tim.
I love the sound of the second harbor bridge that
goes through Point Chevalier comes out the other side at
Cody Point. Drive over a reef. What do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Oh? Like the part of the poll on the Indied
Herold website. There's sixty percent is in favor of it
and twenty I think twenty percent hate it and fourteen
percent of like Elie, they don't care because they probably
live in christ Church but no, I think it sounds
like a great idea.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, well, one of.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The issues for someone down here because I don't kind
of I don't get it. So if people are really
liking it, if people are really liking it, what are
the twenty percent pushing back against? Is it an environmental issue?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, So what you'll have is you'll have like reef
lovers who will be really upset that we're we're we're
going to we're going to bust up the ecology of
the reef. But also, Ali, you have got all of
these people in Point chev who are bloody noisy because
they have been winging about the roads there for the
longest time, and now they're going to just keep on
winging to the herald about their houses being sold in
(06:52):
the motional great big motorway going through their suburb. That's
what it's going to be, Nimbi, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I thought I thought they were into it. I had
a local resident, Madama Alexander, was quoted as saying, it's
a good idea.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I thought I read the opposite alternative facts, Tim what, well,
how did we I'm gonna have to go, you know what,
I'm gonna have to go and dig this out because
somehow we've interpreted the same information completely opposite.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So oh no, you know what, you know what's happening.
It's a Trump situation, That's what I think. Well, now
we go when we have to go back to talking
about Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, oh no, hey, okay, what do you what do
you think Ellie of Mike and Zara Tindall air tagging
their kids.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Can you tell me have they told the kids? I
haven't had a chance to look at the story yet,
because that's the key to me.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yes, So that the ten year old Miya has got
the air tag clipped to the kind of like you know,
the little the belt loop on her jeans, so like,
unless she's dumb, she knows it's there. Stupid, stupid.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, no, look, I I don't have a problem with
it at all. I think the issue is if you're
going to hide it or sew it into the inside
of the lining of the backpack, that's probably a bit sneaky.
But I think that you there's not a problem with that,
And I think you should give them to your kids,
give them to your husband, any other family members that
you may need, to pets, whatever, But as long as
they know that's the key.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I've got a problem with it. Okay, Well what do
you think.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Tim, Well, we've already done it. We've actually surgically done
it for all of our kids. They're all air tagged.
And here's the deal. What we did was we put
a sheepskin over them. We got them to say meow,
and we took them to the guy gave them for
twenty five bucks each.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Ridiculous on here, because it's a real conundrum for a parent,
right because Allie, you I'm going to come to you
because Tim's obviously being ridiculous. Allie, it's a conundrum because
you want your child. You don't want your child wandering
off in a mall and then losing them, and the
air tag will help you to find them, but at
some point you also have to let them be their
own person and be answerable for Yeah, you can't. Who
(08:47):
wants to helicopter the helicopter parent them forever.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I don't think it's helicopter parenting them at all, as
long as they know what's helly, what age do you?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
What age do you stop the air tagging?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I would say, you know, plucking a figure out of
the year about fourteen and I'm very.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
When you send them, when you send them to Europe
for a holiday there yourself.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
No, And I'm very very supportive of kids harnesses. I think,
you know, children as well should be harnessed so.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
They can be Oh my goodness, too.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Much judgy stuff going on here, Allie.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Have you ever done that? We did that in the
more and we were so like with one of our
kids and it was like a little fox terrier and
it's quite cute. And but the eyes, the eyes.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You care too much, Tim, You care too much what
other people think.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, but Tim, would you ever go up to someone
and say what are you looking at? I mean, would
you ever pull someone up on it? Because man, if
someone rolls their eyes at me or looks at me
like that, then I will say to them what are
you looking at?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Allie, no, I go, I go out here, doggie.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
All right, you two, it's good to talk to you.
Thank you very much. It's Tim Wilson, Maxim Institute, Alie
Jones red PR eight away from six For.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
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