Host of the All Sport Breakfast Wellington, Adam Cooper and Weekend Sport host Jason Pine joins the Sports Huddle to discuss the new Super Rugby finals format, Black Caps v Afghanistan controversy, and the Black Ferns hugging King Charles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Puny away from Sex.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
I actually like the fact that we've got a super
radio Pacific board thinking about these things with a fan
first mindset. How can you get good finals, quality and
quantity into those weeks.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
We want everyone on no mattter their gender or how
they identify, to be able to participate in the community sport.
That is really important, but also that there's fairness in
the sports and safety.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
On the sports title of That's this evening.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
We have Adam Cooper, host of the All Sport Breakfast
in Wellington, and Jason Pine Weekend Sport host Hello you too,
Hello Hello Piney. How are they going to know if
it's a success.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
I think crowd numbers will be a good indicator. I
think people turn up to watch again. I like the
afternoon kick off here. Hopefully there'll be a few on
Saturdays as well, which I'm hearing there will be. Yeah.
I think the biggest metric is as crowds or the
most obvious metric as crowds. They'll probably ask the teams
whether they're enjoying themselves. I love the fact that there
are more derbies. The finals format, I'm not entirely sold on.
(01:16):
I think it's a little bit confusing with the lucky loser,
which is I think if you can't explain a concept
of somebody in less than ten seconds, then you know,
I'm not sure it's exactly the right one. I get
that they want more finals games. It really gives them
one more, but look, I'm willing to be convinced. So yeah,
I like a lot of what the new format, but it's.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
A better way of doing it because the thing is
eight was far too many, right and six is about right,
fours too few, six is about right, but then you
end up with a weird three.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
So the only other way they could have done it
is one and two get a buy into the semis.
Three plays six, four plays five for the right to
play the semi finals. That's more regular, it gives, but
it gives you one less game, and they want more games.
They want, as Jack said, more content. So that's the
reason they've gone with what they have.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
What do you reckon, Coops, Yeah, I reckon six are
still too many. To be honest, you give us four,
give us the four best teams I was looking at
the table from this year that the sixth place team
was the Highlanders, who won six out of their fourteen games.
Is that playoff worthy? Is that worthy of recognition in
the chance to go up against the top team and
one verse six, which is what is scheduled, is again
(02:25):
just such a mismatch. I think whatever, you know, quality
over quantity in terms of the content that they want,
and that first round of the playoffs for me these
last few seasons has been the most uninspiring sort of
portion of Super Rugby from the year because predominantly it's
got two or three mismatch matches.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
So Coops, you've struck on something that I think I
was kind of getting at with Jack just before, which
is Yep, it's changes and look, it's going to be
better than it was, but it really doesn't go far
enough like you have to. If you want to save
this particular format, you've got to go a lot harder,
don't you think.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Yeah, Well, I mean I'm sort of just of the
view there's eleven teams next year, and you know more
than half of them are going to make the playoffs,
which I just think is not the right format. Take
it to four I have two weeks of grueling, exciting,
a couple of rugby games to decide semi finalists, and
then the finalists maybe have a you know, third verse
fourth playoffs, so you get four games as part of
a you know, intense, high high fun and an intense
(03:16):
playoffs series for everyone to watch and enjoy and really
reward the teams and make them fight for those top
four spots during the year. But I do think, you know,
the biggest measure is people actually getting along, being involved
with the teams, feeling connection with fans, And I do
get the sense that rugby, especially you know, some of
the super rugby clubs around New Zealand are starting to
have that wake up call and treat fans a little
bit more like family, have them involved, have players out
(03:39):
of the community a lot more, and that's just such
a big part of keeping people integrated in the game
of rugby as well.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Poney, listen, what do you make of my argument that
the black all Blacks need to stop being so boring
and be a bit more like the black Ferns.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Well, I think I mean what I've found in my life,
admittedly a bit of a sheltered one. Heather is that
females are on the whole a lot more interesting than
males most of the time. Anyone, you know that they're
better talkers, they're better conversationalists. They seem to they seem
to be able to, you know, to connect with with
others a lot more.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I think that's so unfair. Look look at the two
of you.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
You're on the sports tdal with me this evening, and
you're great talkers.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Poney, Well, I think most people are tuned in for
you hither, that's the thing. But look, I love how
authentic the black Ferns are. Look, and I love how
disarming they are, so much so that you know, snooty
old King Charles was quite happy to have a hug
with them, you know, go against royal protocol. Look, anything
that connects us as fans to our teams, that has
to be a good thing. And like I say, the
(04:37):
Black Ferns seem to have struck a magic formula under
which actually it doesn't actually matter how they go on
the field.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
Well that's important.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
They have have found a real deep, old use word
again connection with us, which a lot of other teams
could take could take real notice.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
The coops. I think there is financial upside in this
for the All Blacks if they stopped being so dull,
because I think that they would actually get us to
stay tuned for longer, consume more content, maybe even buy
more merchandise with their name on it if we like them, don't.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
You think, Well, I think it's just been the case
that you know that they've been such a professional arm
and professional organization, and you know, Mammoth won at that
for so long that there it is just almost a
machine that you know, things are very controlled, things are
very sort of done by the book, and there isn't
that chance necessarily for that character of a lot of
these players to come out. You know, you talk to
some of these players just around the traps and outside
(05:25):
of a formal interview situation, they are just as funny,
They are just as exciting and charismatic as some of
these Black fans are. But there's often just been a
line that's that's been put between them and the public,
between them and the media.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So who is charismatic in the All Blacks?
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Ah, there's plenty of players. I can say that they
have great fun, they are fantastic. We just don't see it.
You don't see it because those walls are up. I
think we will see them.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Do you know who it is? Cops? Are you still there?
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Yeah, I'm listening.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I'll put you on the spot here. If you name
an interesting all black are going to reveal who your
drinking buddy is.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
An example, you all black this year, Pasily Assi, fantastic guy.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, I'm as drinking.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
I'm as drinking buddy.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Ye oh jeeseus. Well, if he's interesting, I'll be a
drinking buddy. Piney I reckon.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Jordie Barrett strikes me as quite a fun guy. He
could be quite fun.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Coops is dead right, though, you know that these are
guys who perhaps, and again I wonder whether it's a
not entirely, but it is a bit of a male thing.
We don't like to sort of put ourselves out there
so much, you know, these guys are, they're rugby players.
At the end of the day, not everybody loves public speaking,
you know, not everybody loves the media. Odders that may sound,
you know, inside their own inside their own environments. I'm
(06:40):
sure they're just like any other bunch of guys who
check a little bit of jib around at one another,
who do have a laugh but you know they are
also in a pretty different position from say me and
Coops or or anybody who happens to be listening in
this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, fair enough, all right, we'll take a break, come
back with you guys shortly.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's Internet Realty,
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Speaker 1 (07:02):
Back with the sports title.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Coops, tell me what you think about that letter from
the former Olympians which came out this week.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Do you think that community.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Sports should or should not include transgender athletes?
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Yeah, well, I'm going to struggle to sit here and
argue one way or the other because there's a lot
of science to read through that. You know, there's many
different options. But I think it's what there's a couple
of things that I think, you know, it needs to
be discussed here, and that's that when you've got fifty
Olympians with the likes of Barbara Kendall's name on a
letter and a Stanley's name, Jeremy Stanley, that it can't
be discounted by the Sports Minister when when looking at
some guidelines, and I think one general guideline which sport
(07:37):
in New Zealand have for all community sports probably is
going to be looked at and tweaked and probably can't
be the status quo because I think you need more
than just former athletes to weigh into this. You need stakeholders,
and you pretty much need I think the community sport
model to do what all sports around the world and
are doing, and they're doing their own research as to
their particular sports, and they are deciding it amongst themselves,
(07:59):
not one blanket rule for all. So it's going to
be really interesting to see what Chris Bishop and the
government do around here. It's almost a damned if you do,
damned if you don't situation, considering that you know the
often hospitial debate it can be. But you get the
sense that he is looking to maybe change some of
those community guidelines, which it'll be really interesting.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
I'm conflicted on this one, Piney, because I mean, I
really want everybody to be able to go and have
a run around on a field just like normal punters,
like we do on a Wednesday night or whatever with
our mates. But then I don't want a woman to
be bashed into by a transgender woman and really hurt.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Yeah, to balance is and you've got to You've got
to balance these things diversity, opportunity, fairness, and safety, I think,
and you know, at a community level, they're all important.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
The high you go into the elite.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Competitive side of things, feness becomes elevated, I think, and
that's where we get a lot of the robust debate
around when you know, when it just seems unfair to people,
that's not fair that those two are up against one another. Unfortunately,
what this debate does is brings out the worst in
people on both sides of the spectrum. You know, there's
just people out here yelling at the rain most of
the time, you know. So look, yeah, I don't think
(09:06):
I'm going to find an answer either, but there has
to be a balance struck at both community and elite levels.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
For me, I don't have a lot of time coopsball.
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Should we be outraged that the black Caps were going
to play Afghanistan?
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Well, I mean, look, I think every if you look
into different sports and different worlds where money comes from.
I mean, you'd be stopping all sport if you were
counting out you know, immoral you know actions, you know,
bad money, all all that kind of stuff. So I think,
you know, we want the Flat Caps to play cricket
and one off test against Afghanistan. I wasn't too uncomfortable
like that. I am uncomfortab about the scheduling.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
To be honest, here is that the thing that got
your goat pony.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
It was, Yeah, a cricket test and them on sooon season.
It's like having a One Day International and napier. If
you wanted to reign and nap you just chidule a
cricket match.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
There.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Jesus tells us a lot about our morals.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I really appreciate the pair of you. Adam Cooper, Jason
Pine our sports hitdal this evening.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
For more from Heather du Drive, listen live to News
Talks it B from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
Puny away from Sex.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
The Friday sports title with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
exceptional marketing for every property.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I actually like the fact that we've got a super
radio Pacific board thinking about these things with a fan
first mindset. How can you get good finals, quality and
quantity into those weeks.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
We want everyone on no mattter their gender or how
they identify, to be able to participate in the community sport.
That is really important, but also that there's fairness in
the sports and safety.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
On the sports title of That's this evening.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
We have Adam Cooper, host of the All Sport Breakfast
in Wellington, and Jason Pine Weekend Sport host Hello you too,
Hello Hello Piney. How are they going to know if
it's a success.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
I think crowd numbers will be a good indicator. I
think people turn up to watch again. I like the
afternoon kick off here. Hopefully there'll be a few on
Saturdays as well, which I'm hearing there will be. Yeah.
I think the biggest metric is as crowds or the
most obvious metric as crowds. They'll probably ask the teams
whether they're enjoying themselves. I love the fact that there
are more derbies. The finals format, I'm not entirely sold on.
(01:16):
I think it's a little bit confusing with the lucky loser,
which is I think if you can't explain a concept
of somebody in less than ten seconds, then you know,
I'm not sure it's exactly the right one. I get
that they want more finals games. It really gives them
one more, but look, I'm willing to be convinced. So yeah,
I like a lot of what the new format, but it's.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
A better way of doing it because the thing is
eight was far too many, right and six is about right,
fours too few, six is about right, but then you
end up with a weird three.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
So the only other way they could have done it
is one and two get a buy into the semis.
Three plays six, four plays five for the right to
play the semi finals. That's more regular, it gives, but
it gives you one less game, and they want more games.
They want, as Jack said, more content. So that's the
reason they've gone with what they have.
Speaker 7 (02:03):
What do you reckon, Coops, Yeah, I reckon six are
still too many. To be honest, you give us four,
give us the four best teams I was looking at
the table from this year that the sixth place team
was the Highlanders, who won six out of their fourteen games.
Is that playoff worthy? Is that worthy of recognition in
the chance to go up against the top team and
one verse six, which is what is scheduled, is again
(02:25):
just such a mismatch. I think whatever, you know, quality
over quantity in terms of the content that they want,
and that first round of the playoffs for me these
last few seasons has been the most uninspiring sort of
portion of Super Rugby from the year because predominantly it's
got two or three mismatch matches.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
So Coops, you've struck on something that I think I
was kind of getting at with Jack just before, which
is Yep, it's changes and look, it's going to be
better than it was, but it really doesn't go far
enough like you have to. If you want to save
this particular format, you've got to go a lot harder,
don't you think.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Yeah, Well, I mean I'm sort of just of the
view there's eleven teams next year, and you know more
than half of them are going to make the playoffs,
which I just think is not the right format. Take
it to four I have two weeks of grueling, exciting,
a couple of rugby games to decide semi finalists, and
then the finalists maybe have a you know, third verse
fourth playoffs, so you get four games as part of
a you know, intense, high high fun and an intense
(03:16):
playoffs series for everyone to watch and enjoy and really
reward the teams and make them fight for those top
four spots during the year. But I do think, you know,
the biggest measure is people actually getting along, being involved
with the teams, feeling connection with fans, And I do
get the sense that rugby, especially you know, some of
the super rugby clubs around New Zealand are starting to
have that wake up call and treat fans a little
bit more like family, have them involved, have players out
(03:39):
of the community a lot more, and that's just such
a big part of keeping people integrated in the game
of rugby as well.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Poney, listen, what do you make of my argument that
the black all Blacks need to stop being so boring
and be a bit more like the black Ferns.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Well, I think I mean what I've found in my life,
admittedly a bit of a sheltered one. Heather is that
females are on the whole a lot more interesting than
males most of the time. Anyone, you know that they're
better talkers, they're better conversationalists. They seem to they seem
to be able to, you know, to connect with with
others a lot more.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I think that's so unfair. Look look at the two
of you.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
You're on the sports tdal with me this evening, and
you're great talkers.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Poney, Well, I think most people are tuned in for
you hither, that's the thing. But look, I love how
authentic the black Ferns are. Look, and I love how
disarming they are, so much so that you know, snooty
old King Charles was quite happy to have a hug
with them, you know, go against royal protocol. Look, anything
that connects us as fans to our teams, that has
to be a good thing. And like I say, the
(04:37):
Black Ferns seem to have struck a magic formula under
which actually it doesn't actually matter how they go on
the field.
Speaker 7 (04:42):
Well that's important.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
They have have found a real deep, old use word
again connection with us, which a lot of other teams
could take could take real notice.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
The coops. I think there is financial upside in this
for the All Blacks if they stopped being so dull,
because I think that they would actually get us to
stay tuned for longer, consume more content, maybe even buy
more merchandise with their name on it if we like them, don't.
Speaker 7 (05:03):
You think, Well, I think it's just been the case
that you know that they've been such a professional arm
and professional organization, and you know, Mammoth won at that
for so long that there it is just almost a
machine that you know, things are very controlled, things are
very sort of done by the book, and there isn't
that chance necessarily for that character of a lot of
these players to come out. You know, you talk to
some of these players just around the traps and outside
(05:25):
of a formal interview situation, they are just as funny,
They are just as exciting and charismatic as some of
these Black fans are. But there's often just been a
line that's that's been put between them and the public,
between them and the media.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So who is charismatic in the All Blacks?
Speaker 7 (05:40):
Ah, there's plenty of players. I can say that they
have great fun, they are fantastic. We just don't see it.
You don't see it because those walls are up. I
think we will see them.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Do you know who it is? Cops? Are you still there?
Speaker 7 (05:55):
Yeah, I'm listening.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
I'll put you on the spot here. If you name
an interesting all black are going to reveal who your
drinking buddy is.
Speaker 7 (06:04):
An example, you all black this year, Pasily Assi, fantastic guy.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, I'm as drinking.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
I'm as drinking buddy.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Ye oh jeeseus. Well, if he's interesting, I'll be a
drinking buddy. Piney I reckon.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Jordie Barrett strikes me as quite a fun guy. He
could be quite fun.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Coops is dead right, though, you know that these are
guys who perhaps, and again I wonder whether it's a
not entirely, but it is a bit of a male thing.
We don't like to sort of put ourselves out there
so much, you know, these guys are, they're rugby players.
At the end of the day, not everybody loves public speaking,
you know, not everybody loves the media. Odders that may sound,
you know, inside their own inside their own environments. I'm
(06:40):
sure they're just like any other bunch of guys who
check a little bit of jib around at one another,
who do have a laugh but you know they are
also in a pretty different position from say me and
Coops or or anybody who happens to be listening in
this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, fair enough, all right, we'll take a break, come
back with you guys shortly.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's Internet Realty,
Unparalleled Reach and Results.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Back with the sports title.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Coops, tell me what you think about that letter from
the former Olympians which came out this week.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Do you think that community.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Sports should or should not include transgender athletes?
Speaker 7 (07:14):
Yeah, well, I'm going to struggle to sit here and
argue one way or the other because there's a lot
of science to read through that. You know, there's many
different options. But I think it's what there's a couple
of things that I think, you know, it needs to
be discussed here, and that's that when you've got fifty
Olympians with the likes of Barbara Kendall's name on a
letter and a Stanley's name, Jeremy Stanley, that it can't
be discounted by the Sports Minister when when looking at
some guidelines, and I think one general guideline which sport
(07:37):
in New Zealand have for all community sports probably is
going to be looked at and tweaked and probably can't
be the status quo because I think you need more
than just former athletes to weigh into this. You need stakeholders,
and you pretty much need I think the community sport
model to do what all sports around the world and
are doing, and they're doing their own research as to
their particular sports, and they are deciding it amongst themselves,
(07:59):
not one blanket rule for all. So it's going to
be really interesting to see what Chris Bishop and the
government do around here. It's almost a damned if you do,
damned if you don't situation, considering that you know the
often hospitial debate it can be. But you get the
sense that he is looking to maybe change some of
those community guidelines, which it'll be really interesting.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
I'm conflicted on this one, Piney, because I mean, I
really want everybody to be able to go and have
a run around on a field just like normal punters,
like we do on a Wednesday night or whatever with
our mates. But then I don't want a woman to
be bashed into by a transgender woman and really hurt.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Yeah, to balance is and you've got to You've got
to balance these things diversity, opportunity, fairness, and safety, I think,
and you know, at a community level, they're all important.
Speaker 7 (08:42):
The high you go into the elite.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Competitive side of things, feness becomes elevated, I think, and
that's where we get a lot of the robust debate
around when you know, when it just seems unfair to people,
that's not fair that those two are up against one another. Unfortunately,
what this debate does is brings out the worst in
people on both sides of the spectrum. You know, there's
just people out here yelling at the rain most of
the time, you know. So look, yeah, I don't think
(09:06):
I'm going to find an answer either, but there has
to be a balance struck at both community and elite levels.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
For me, I don't have a lot of time coopsball.
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Should we be outraged that the black Caps were going
to play Afghanistan?
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Well, I mean, look, I think every if you look
into different sports and different worlds where money comes from.
I mean, you'd be stopping all sport if you were
counting out you know, immoral you know actions, you know,
bad money, all all that kind of stuff. So I think,
you know, we want the Flat Caps to play cricket
and one off test against Afghanistan. I wasn't too uncomfortable
like that. I am uncomfortab about the scheduling.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
To be honest, here is that the thing that got
your goat pony.
Speaker 6 (09:44):
It was, Yeah, a cricket test and them on sooon season.
It's like having a One Day International and napier. If
you wanted to reign and nap you just chidule a
cricket match.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
There.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Jesus tells us a lot about our morals.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I really appreciate the pair of you. Adam Cooper, Jason
Pine our sports hitdal this evening.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
For more from Heather du Drive, listen live to News
Talks it B from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
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