September 18, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A and broadcaster Mark Sainsbury joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Are the Commonwealth Games done for good? Glasgow has offered to step in and host a scaled-down version of the games after Victoria pulled out of hosting. Is this a sign of the end?
Oji Fibre Solutions is set to close its doors the week before Christmas - cutting 75 jobs. Is this a sign the economy's changing?
Amazon is the latest corporate giant to call its staff back to the office for full five-day work weeks again. Is it time we made this a rule for public servants as well?
Why doesn't Prime Minister Chris Luxon want to come on Q&A? ACT has also refused to front up on Morning Report and Te Pati Māori won't talk to NZME - is this the right move?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the
marketing of.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Your home huddle this evening. Jack Tame, host of Q
and A Saturday Mornings, and Mark Sainsbury broadcast The Highlands kild.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
How you hear it?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm very well, thank you, Jack. That dead, aren't they?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
They are dead? The Commonwealth Games? Yeah or something else? Yeah,
I mean that's a really good point.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
See as a sports fan, I will be honest, I
don't get remotely excited about the Commonwealth Games, but I
can see that from the NDC's perspective and high performance
sports perspective, it is really valuable to have an event
like the Commonwealth Games, which is kind of like really
many Olympics. We have athletes from different sports and different
backgrounds coming together in a village environment. I can see
(00:43):
why having that as preparation for the Olympics is really valuable.
But yeah, obviously the Commonwealth Games compared to the place
they held even twenty years ago in our lives, you know,
I think it's a pretty diminished role.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And you know, good on Scotland for pairing things back.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
But be interesting to see whether or not a peered
back version of the event is enough to maintain sufficient
eyeballs to make a bible in the future.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I mean, because you compare it back, and you compare
it back, and you compare it back saying, and then
eventually it becomes like a crappy version of the Olympics
and what it already is, but then a crappy version
of World Athletics as well, and in the end you
just don't watch it anymore, do you.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Well it comes back to also what's the purpose. It's
a bit like sort of TV and Z and cutting
all the current.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Affairs and stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
You got to sort of say, well, what's your purpose
for being? So if the Commonwealth Games was the scene
of all about unity and bringing everyone together, you start
pairing it back, it becomes as Jackson, probably a very
expensive training exercise for the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, look, I think the days have gone on.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Guys at school when they had the seventy four Olympics
here in New Zealand, you know, oh there was such excitement,
but it was a different kind of event. And there's
World Championships, you know, don't forget every two years you've
got World champions up. There's a whole spectrum of different
sporting contests. Oh yeah, look at like Jack, I don't
think I'll be watching.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I think there are some sports that will suffer more
than others. Like for netball, for example, I can see
that the.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Huh no no, But I can see that the con
worst games are really important to a sport like netball, right,
whereas for you know, for some other sports that are
competed by more nations, Yeah, swimming and and you know
maybe athletics, perhaps they're not as important. But but you know,
but but you can see from an athlete's perspective that
there are very few occasions when they get together in
(02:30):
that village environment and you're kind of bunking down in
a room to someone who's from a different sport, and
you know, you've got the closing ceremony, that whole kind
of atmosphere. I can see that from a high performance perspective,
that is super valuable.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, now, but that won't be happening of course in guys.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Go no, no no.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And also you were asking, I mean, the list of
the venues includes the connor Worth Arena and the Sir
Chris hoy Velodrome. So I think it's a pretty good guess.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
We'll be on the on the list and Netball's okay.
I can confirm for the netball lovers, but I think
mountain biking might be a little stuffed. Listen, guys, we'll
come back and just to have a chat about the
mills closing and when where the public servants need to
get back into the office five days a week, sixteen
away from six.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Right, we're back at the huddle, Jack Tame and Mark
Sainsbury Sainsbury sains How do you feel about the mills closing?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
You know what the funny thing is that this Sorry,
this all aged me, but it comes back to nineteen
eighty four. You know, when the labor government came in
and Roger Nomison out. New Zealand's manufacturing base was absolutely decimated.
They had to start off again and there was the
similar sort of tour. I think you made the best
point earlier on when you said these are people's lives.
(03:47):
The prospects of finding somewhere else in that region to
work is not there, and you can't just suddenly say well,
go and work for Callahan innovation. Yeah, get onto the
new wave, which justice and associated point you're talking about,
going on to the knowledge based economy. We're coming back
in the budgets of things like Callahan that are the
ones are going to promote that. So look, I think
(04:08):
it is tragic, but are we surprised sadly probably not.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
No, no, and Jack, the point I was trying to
make is that the d industrialization of New Zealand sounds
like something is quite scary, but actually, if you want
to have a sophisticated economy, this is what happens.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
This is I think this is going to be one
of the biggest challenge for challenges for developed economies and
decades to come. And I think actually we've already seen
a bit of whiplash from this when you think about,
you know, some of the political events of the last
few years in the US and the UK and what
the industrialization has actually meant for those economies. You know,
(04:49):
I think we really need to start having much broader
public conversations about the future of work, not just for
people who are fortunate to benefit from lots of educational opportunities,
but for people who are mid career, who are perhaps
working from moving from blue collar industrial type jobs when
those jobs aren't going to exist in the fest and
(05:10):
and it's a it is a massive challenge for economies
around the world, especially in an age of you know,
of free trade. But I reckon, this is this is
very sadly a sign of the times, but probably one
that is going to be repeated time and time again
in the coming years, and we need to get onto
doing something.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think you made a very good point there, Jack,
that I might actually come back to later on. Hey
saying soo, So, I reckon it's high time that we
actually tell the public servants right, you're working five days
a week in the office. It's nonsense. It three days
a week's got to stop.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
What do you think it'd be great for Wellington? I
mean the number of businesses.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
I mean we keep seeing all these hospitality and food
business Do you imagine you set up your sort of
coffee bar or whatever, and suddenly you know, huge phrase
of people simply you're not coming into the office.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And then of course, I mean this is this is
on top of all the retrenchment and redundancies. It's not great.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
So get them back into the office, stimulate the local economy.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, and plus no one believes Jack that they're actually
working when they're at the afternoon drink. He's on a Thursday.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
This is the thing.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So I find it really hard to get an absolutely
clear measure on productivity. I think what's becoming increasingly clear though,
is neither the open plan office one hundred percent of
the time or the working from home one hundred percent
of the time are actually in the interest of maximum productivity.
And I just speak from personal experience here, like I
find that if I go to the office three or
(06:28):
four days a week, but then I'm able to have
one day at home where I'm out of that open
office environment where I don't have people constantly walking up
and interrupting me, it's the perfect blend.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I'm really productive that way. And I just wonder if
some sort of a.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Shift towards a model whereby maybe not every day at home,
but maybe one day at home or an afternoon at
home a week for productivity's sake is everyone's interest.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, Okay, so Jack makes a fair point saying so
that we don't have any idea about productivity. But if
you have one of the biggest companies in the world, Amazon,
saying that's it. You're back in the office. That should
tell you that they know this is not working.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, with a great history and work is right, it's
because Amazon. Look, it depends what you're doing. If you're
a firefighter, you can't work from home, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
But if you're a call center operator and you can
do that from home and you've got kids to look after,
and that works out, that can work out really really well.
I think for us, all of us, we all enjoy
the skin. Meet us who used to get in an
office and talking to other people. And if you're working
on a story other people's perspectives, you don't get that.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
When you're at home. You miss all that stuff and
one of the nuance. So I like that.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
But it really does depend on what you're doing. And
the problem is they've opened they pulled the cork out,
haven't they. People people have tasted working for home with Gay. Well,
I'm not going to put that into my contract.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, they want to. They want to sit at home
and bake a cast or Jack. Why does the Prime
Minister hate you?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Why does he want to come on your show?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Jack?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Does he not like going on Q and A.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
As I said the other day on Q and A,
we've requested him many times.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
I know he's a busy man. We've tried to work
in with that busy schedule. But at least compared to
various predecessors from both national and labor, so far, he
hasn't appeared as frequently. He hasn't actually appeared in more
than a year. He hasn't appeared since he's been Prime minister.
And I think, I don't know. I think there's democratic
value in putting questions in a long form setting to
(08:31):
our elected officials, and that concludes the prime MINSI.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's a sign of the times, A saying Zoe like,
it's us catching up with the rest of the world.
You had just into all of a sudden cut right
back on what she wanted to do. Didn't want to
go on news. Tom said, be You've got act not
wanting to go on another radio station. You've got prime
ministers not wanting to go on long form interviews. It
just feels like, yeah, it's getting a little partisan, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Well, look, I mean it's it's their short people, and
true you can be forced, you know, open up with
the media.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Can't be forced to come on. But I think sometimes
it's going to be to their detriment, you know.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
I mean they must make a calcin say like well
that you know, won't go on R and Z your
Morning Report because they think it's sort of you know,
to whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think it's treated badly. Yeah, but they probably calculate
that as a as a as a political plus for them.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I think it's because they accused them once of eugenics,
and I feel like i'd be pretty cross about that too,
but I don't know if i'd cotally ban them anyway. Listen, guys,
thank you appreciated. That's Jack Tame, Mark Sainsbury Huddle this
evening seven away from six.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the
marketing of.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Your home huddle this evening. Jack Tame, host of Q
and A Saturday Mornings, and Mark Sainsbury broadcast The Highlands kild.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
How you hear it?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I'm very well, thank you, Jack. That dead, aren't they?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
They are dead? The Commonwealth Games? Yeah or something else? Yeah,
I mean that's a really good point.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
See as a sports fan, I will be honest, I
don't get remotely excited about the Commonwealth Games, but I
can see that from the NDC's perspective and high performance
sports perspective, it is really valuable to have an event
like the Commonwealth Games, which is kind of like really
many Olympics. We have athletes from different sports and different
backgrounds coming together in a village environment. I can see
(00:43):
why having that as preparation for the Olympics is really valuable.
But yeah, obviously the Commonwealth Games compared to the place
they held even twenty years ago in our lives, you know,
I think it's a pretty diminished role.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And you know, good on Scotland for pairing things back.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
But be interesting to see whether or not a peered
back version of the event is enough to maintain sufficient
eyeballs to make a bible in the future.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I mean, because you compare it back, and you compare
it back, and you compare it back saying, and then
eventually it becomes like a crappy version of the Olympics
and what it already is, but then a crappy version
of World Athletics as well, and in the end you
just don't watch it anymore, do you.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Well it comes back to also what's the purpose. It's
a bit like sort of TV and Z and cutting
all the current.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Affairs and stuff.
Speaker 6 (01:28):
You got to sort of say, well, what's your purpose
for being? So if the Commonwealth Games was the scene
of all about unity and bringing everyone together, you start
pairing it back, it becomes as Jackson, probably a very
expensive training exercise for the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah, look, I think the days have gone on.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Guys at school when they had the seventy four Olympics
here in New Zealand, you know, oh there was such excitement,
but it was a different kind of event. And there's
World Championships, you know, don't forget every two years you've
got World champions up. There's a whole spectrum of different
sporting contests. Oh yeah, look at like Jack, I don't
think I'll be watching.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I think there are some sports that will suffer more
than others. Like for netball, for example, I can see
that the.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Huh no no, But I can see that the con
worst games are really important to a sport like netball, right,
whereas for you know, for some other sports that are
competed by more nations, Yeah, swimming and and you know
maybe athletics, perhaps they're not as important. But but you know,
but but you can see from an athlete's perspective that
there are very few occasions when they get together in
(02:30):
that village environment and you're kind of bunking down in
a room to someone who's from a different sport, and
you know, you've got the closing ceremony, that whole kind
of atmosphere. I can see that from a high performance perspective,
that is super valuable.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, now, but that won't be happening of course in guys.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Go no, no no.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And also you were asking, I mean, the list of
the venues includes the connor Worth Arena and the Sir
Chris hoy Velodrome. So I think it's a pretty good guess.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
We'll be on the on the list and Netball's okay.
I can confirm for the netball lovers, but I think
mountain biking might be a little stuffed. Listen, guys, we'll
come back and just to have a chat about the
mills closing and when where the public servants need to
get back into the office five days a week, sixteen
away from six.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Right, we're back at the huddle, Jack Tame and Mark
Sainsbury Sainsbury sains How do you feel about the mills closing?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (03:26):
You know what the funny thing is that this Sorry,
this all aged me, but it comes back to nineteen
eighty four. You know, when the labor government came in
and Roger Nomison out. New Zealand's manufacturing base was absolutely decimated.
They had to start off again and there was the
similar sort of tour. I think you made the best
point earlier on when you said these are people's lives.
(03:47):
The prospects of finding somewhere else in that region to
work is not there, and you can't just suddenly say well,
go and work for Callahan innovation. Yeah, get onto the
new wave, which justice and associated point you're talking about,
going on to the knowledge based economy. We're coming back
in the budgets of things like Callahan that are the
ones are going to promote that. So look, I think
(04:08):
it is tragic, but are we surprised sadly probably not.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
No, no, and Jack, the point I was trying to
make is that the d industrialization of New Zealand sounds
like something is quite scary, but actually, if you want
to have a sophisticated economy, this is what happens.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
This is I think this is going to be one
of the biggest challenge for challenges for developed economies and
decades to come. And I think actually we've already seen
a bit of whiplash from this when you think about,
you know, some of the political events of the last
few years in the US and the UK and what
the industrialization has actually meant for those economies. You know,
(04:49):
I think we really need to start having much broader
public conversations about the future of work, not just for
people who are fortunate to benefit from lots of educational opportunities,
but for people who are mid career, who are perhaps
working from moving from blue collar industrial type jobs when
those jobs aren't going to exist in the fest and
(05:10):
and it's a it is a massive challenge for economies
around the world, especially in an age of you know,
of free trade. But I reckon, this is this is
very sadly a sign of the times, but probably one
that is going to be repeated time and time again
in the coming years, and we need to get onto
doing something.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I think you made a very good point there, Jack,
that I might actually come back to later on. Hey
saying soo, So, I reckon it's high time that we
actually tell the public servants right, you're working five days
a week in the office. It's nonsense. It three days
a week's got to stop.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
What do you think it'd be great for Wellington? I
mean the number of businesses.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
I mean we keep seeing all these hospitality and food
business Do you imagine you set up your sort of
coffee bar or whatever, and suddenly you know, huge phrase
of people simply you're not coming into the office.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And then of course, I mean this is this is
on top of all the retrenchment and redundancies. It's not great.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
So get them back into the office, stimulate the local economy.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, and plus no one believes Jack that they're actually
working when they're at the afternoon drink. He's on a Thursday.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
This is the thing.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So I find it really hard to get an absolutely
clear measure on productivity. I think what's becoming increasingly clear though,
is neither the open plan office one hundred percent of
the time or the working from home one hundred percent
of the time are actually in the interest of maximum productivity.
And I just speak from personal experience here, like I
find that if I go to the office three or
(06:28):
four days a week, but then I'm able to have
one day at home where I'm out of that open
office environment where I don't have people constantly walking up
and interrupting me, it's the perfect blend.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I'm really productive that way. And I just wonder if
some sort of a.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Shift towards a model whereby maybe not every day at home,
but maybe one day at home or an afternoon at
home a week for productivity's sake is everyone's interest.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, Okay, so Jack makes a fair point saying so
that we don't have any idea about productivity. But if
you have one of the biggest companies in the world, Amazon,
saying that's it. You're back in the office. That should
tell you that they know this is not working.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, with a great history and work is right, it's
because Amazon. Look, it depends what you're doing. If you're
a firefighter, you can't work from home, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
But if you're a call center operator and you can
do that from home and you've got kids to look after,
and that works out, that can work out really really well.
I think for us, all of us, we all enjoy
the skin. Meet us who used to get in an
office and talking to other people. And if you're working
on a story other people's perspectives, you don't get that.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
When you're at home. You miss all that stuff and
one of the nuance. So I like that.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
But it really does depend on what you're doing. And
the problem is they've opened they pulled the cork out,
haven't they. People people have tasted working for home with Gay. Well,
I'm not going to put that into my contract.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, they want to. They want to sit at home
and bake a cast or Jack. Why does the Prime
Minister hate you?
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Why does he want to come on your show?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Jack?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Does he not like going on Q and A.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
As I said the other day on Q and A,
we've requested him many times.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
I know he's a busy man. We've tried to work
in with that busy schedule. But at least compared to
various predecessors from both national and labor, so far, he
hasn't appeared as frequently. He hasn't actually appeared in more
than a year. He hasn't appeared since he's been Prime minister.
And I think, I don't know. I think there's democratic
value in putting questions in a long form setting to
(08:31):
our elected officials, and that concludes the prime MINSI.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's a sign of the times, A saying Zoe like,
it's us catching up with the rest of the world.
You had just into all of a sudden cut right
back on what she wanted to do. Didn't want to
go on news. Tom said, be You've got act not
wanting to go on another radio station. You've got prime
ministers not wanting to go on long form interviews. It
just feels like, yeah, it's getting a little partisan, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Well, look, I mean it's it's their short people, and
true you can be forced, you know, open up with
the media.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Can't be forced to come on. But I think sometimes
it's going to be to their detriment, you know.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
I mean they must make a calcin say like well
that you know, won't go on R and Z your
Morning Report because they think it's sort of you know,
to whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I think it's treated badly. Yeah, but they probably calculate
that as a as a as a political plus for them.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I think it's because they accused them once of eugenics,
and I feel like i'd be pretty cross about that too,
but I don't know if i'd cotally ban them anyway. Listen, guys,
thank you appreciated. That's Jack Tame, Mark Sainsbury Huddle this
evening seven away from six.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
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