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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather
Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected us.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Dog said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, the Maritime
Union is going to explain to us what they know
about what happened to that Blue Bridge Frairie overnight. Luke Dallo,
HOSPO owner on why we need to get into tipping
more and prior to investigator Tim McKennon on whether Stephen
Stone should still be in prison despite the Crown admitting
he was in fact wrongfully convicted.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, what to.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Do about these dangerous dogs? Now, this has become quite
a problem lately. And these are the dogs obviously. And
this woman, there is a woman this week who is
quite badly mauled by three dogs in the rotru as.
She went to the council asking them to beef up
the rules just a couple of days ago. Now the
reason she was chatting to Rotrue Lake's council is because
they are already considering beefing up their rules. Are they're

(00:56):
considering changing a bye law so that dogs if these
dogs are found to be out of control can be
desexed with or without the owner's consent. Now I don't
think that's enough. I mean, all that's doing and it's welcome,
but all it's doing is it's ensuring that an out
of control dog can't breed more out of control dogs.
But we've still got an out of control dog on
our hands, don't we, And it's not going to be

(01:18):
the only one. There are unknown numbers of them across
the country and they are increasing. So I would say
if there's an out of control dog, that council should
be considering seriously putting it down. I mean, you know,
have some LENI and say if you want to give
the owner a couple of strikes or whatever. But if
an owner can't control a dog, they shouldn't have a dog. Dogs,
as I said, are becoming a real problem lately. This

(01:39):
woman was mauled just walking down the street this month
in in Tai Rua on the Corimandal. A woman was
mauled by four peg dogs in May. On Wednesday, another
woman was injured by four dogs, also on the coramandal.
A pack of roaming dogs killed as Benny as maybe
thirty cats in Papakata in South Auckland this year. A
guy was mauled to death by dogs in Northland a

(02:01):
couple of years ago. A woman was mauled to death
in her own backyard in Moriwa in Northland last year,
and there are now so many feral dogs up north
where it seems to be a particularly pronounced problem that
Doc has had to get in sharpshooters to start taking
out these dogs ahead of the tramping season, because the
last thing you've ld he ont to somebody going on
in nature walk in there's a dog for some reason.

(02:23):
We have just had a huge increase in the number
of dogs in this country, particularly in the last five years,
it would appear, and many of them, thousands of them
are unregistered.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Now.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't think the solution lies in punishing an owner
once something has happened, because once something has happened, it's
by then too late. I think authorities have got to
get ruthless on anything that looks like an out of
control dog before it happens. Desexing. Absolutely, it's at least something,
but that's not nearly enough. Deal with the dog.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Heather due the text.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Number and you welcomes away in on that and obviously
text standard texts fees apply. Now a record number and
this is good, is a record number of people have
applied to become police officers. In the month of July,
nearly fourteen hundred applications have come in. That's almost four
times the number in the year before, and the highest
for any month since the national database was created ten

(03:14):
years ago. Around twelve percent of those applicants make it
through to recruitment now. Chris Carhill is the Police Association
president and with us, Hey.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Chris, good afternoon here.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Why have the numbers gone up so profoundly.

Speaker 6 (03:26):
Well, the three key things A couple of changes to
police show what they allow and so the first is
you don't have to be a New Zealand citizen now
you can only have a residency. Well you can apply,
so that's a big change. That's positive, Siggins. When you apply,
you don't have to have a full driver's license, you
have to have it by the time you enter the college.

(03:47):
So that gets the process moving along quicker. We do
know that was a hold up. And then the third,
and I think personally the most biggest change is the economy.
We know that when the economy gets tough, when tradees
are mean to get work, and people have really made
unemployed police becomes a very good safe haven's job.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
How many of these people do you think are actually
serious rather than just chancing their arm.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
Yeah, well that's the real key is what's the conversion weight?
We know the normal conversion rate, so it would be
about twelve percent. But I just wonder how many of
these are just seeing what it's all about. So, you know,
we want to see those numbers converted it. And don't
get me wrong, I'm really positive about it. Well, it's
great to get this many applicants. I personally it was
pessimistic we would so it's good to see them. But

(04:30):
you know, the proof will be how many actually get
through to police college.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, I'm surprised because it doesn't. I mean, at the moment,
it's not getting a lot of good pr as a
great safe job, you know. I mean it's not to
criticize the police, it's more what they're having to deal
with just seems so extreme at the moment.

Speaker 6 (04:46):
Yeah, I mean that's definitely a factor. You know, we
know a lot of families are saying, I'm not too
keen on you're joining the police when they are in
the police because they've seen how violent it's got to
and you know, we know family will we see one
of the biggest recruiters of fleas. So that's changed a
little bit in recent times. So it is interesting to
see these numbers. But you know, I'm saying that it's

(05:07):
still a job that offers a great variety, a lot
of career options, and you know, when things are.

Speaker 7 (05:12):
Tough, you know it looks good.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
So hopefully these people flow through the system.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Hey, do you think it's realistic that the government's going
to be able to provide those five hundred new cops
they promised by the end of two years.

Speaker 6 (05:25):
Well, it's looking tough at the moment, but if these
recruit numbers carry on then year they'll get there. They
wouldn't have under the standard number of recruits that they
or in the applicants they get. If these numbers continue
to flow through, they'll get there. But it's certainly a
big turnaround in a hurry, and I just need to
see that it ends up in those new year numbers.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Exits gucture recruitments. Can can you actually pump them through
police college fast enough to get five hundred of.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Them on the beat?

Speaker 6 (05:52):
And police did actually when we first had that eighteen
hundred of out six years ago. Police ramp up the
collars pretty well. So most wings at the college recently
have been about sixty. They can crank those wings up
eighty and basically put one through a month. So no,
they can get there. Puts a bit of work and
pressure on the college, but they can get there if
they can get the quality through the applicants.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Good stuff. Hey, Chris, thank you very much. Enjoy your weekend.
That's Chris Carhill Police Association President, Heather. Do you think
they've got so many police applicants because the government actually
backs them? Now it might be the case. I mean,
there's some people are sorting to somebody today. There are
some people who just live for this kind of a
hero job. They want to do something fun and exciting
like this, And now that your arming them up to

(06:34):
be able to not literally but you sort of sort
of get them the tools to be able to have
a crack down at the gangs might be way more fun,
mightn't it.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Now.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
The Russians, jeez, they are taking this falling birth rate
situation seriously. Everybody in the developed world has got a
falling birth rate, right because for some reason. Once you
start getting a bit wealthy, the ladies go, don't think
I want to have a thousand children anymore, thanks very much.
So what's happened is that, just like like ourselves in
various other countries, their birth rate has fallen be low

(07:02):
the two point one rate that you need to sustain
your population level. They're now down to one point five
children being born per women. So what happened is it
started with Vladimir Putin saying the national birth rate is
the highest national priority, Like he is serious, These people
need to start getting the freak on to get the
babies out. Then the health minister got involved. Health minister

(07:23):
had a crack at people who say they too busy
to have babies too busy at work, says it's a
lame excuse. Says they need to start getting funky during
break times. Literally, he was like, during a break when
you go off to your lunch break, use it for
the old one. Get that going, get a baby going,
which begs the question are you just having anybody's baby

(07:43):
or are you working at the same place as your spouse.
Then another mp A woman gets involved suggests that maybe
employers might like to also get involved. And actually talk
to their staff. Look at their birth rates, the company
birth rate going oh that's not enough. Talk to the staff,
say you're capable of bearing your child, do you want
to have a child this year? I mean, that's a

(08:04):
messed up. Imagine if your boss came to you and
was like, Andy, how old are you? Andy? You're about thirty,
aren't you. Yeah, you've got a wife, even ye have
a baby. Andy would be like, I had one a
year ago, now have another one? Go on, help us out.
Imagine that a weird a quarter past.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen Drive with one new zealand one giant leaf for business,
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downloaded today.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Ari eighteen bed responsibly hither.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
If you're not having any kids, you're ultimately not contributing
to the economy and a net loss as your offspring
can't work to offset your pension benefit. Jesus, it takes
a particularly economically minded person to turn your baby into
some sort of a capitalist thing that you're doing in
your house. A eighteen passed four. Jason Pine host a
weekend Sporters with Me a piney. Hello, Heather, are we
going to win?

Speaker 8 (08:55):
I think so we are, aren't we?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Do you think we're going to win?

Speaker 8 (08:59):
I don't like the hesitation.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, I think we're going to win. I do think
we're going to win. I mean and mainly because the
Aussie suck. But then on the other hand, what's going
on with us as well?

Speaker 9 (09:11):
A well, I tell what, if I'm raiser, I don't
want to lose the blatter to sloke up. I rarely
don't think that would be what the doctor ordered at all.
You're right, Ossie, aren't great? Argentina puts sixty on them
a couple of weeks now, albeit in Argentina where it's
a bit more difficult. But the fact, the fact remains,
day of the four in the Rugby Championship seemingly fourth.

Speaker 10 (09:31):
Right.

Speaker 9 (09:31):
Having said that, a couple of things don't worrying, but
I have mild concerns. Joe Schmitt knows us very well.
Mike cron knows us very well. They're two of the
the brains trust of the Wallabies, and we, as you say,
haven't been playing that well if we're honest, have we?
We We've just lost the last two Test matches. I
think we'll be okay. I think we'll win tomorrow, and
I think we'll win comfortably in Wellington, even though that's

(09:54):
been a bit of a graveyard for all blacks teams
in recent times.

Speaker 8 (09:57):
Yeah, it's look. I just I'd quite like at.

Speaker 9 (10:00):
Some stage to see some of the younger guys given
a bit of a go. And that's why I hope
that they win tomorrow, so that maybe the shackles come
off a little bit selection wise and we get to
see a little bit of this fresh young blood in
their actual positions a week from tomorrow and Wellington.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Well, I mean we're going to see some of the
young guys getting a start, Like Cortez a Artima. Do
you think this is the future?

Speaker 11 (10:20):
Is he?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Is he the guy now?

Speaker 9 (10:21):
Well only until cam Royguard comes back. And when roy
Guard's back, which by the sounds of it will be soon,
I think Cortez Lautima becomes your set your back up.
We know TJ's leaving at the end of this year,
so he's reached basically the end or coming to the
end of his career.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
I see this is quite a change, right because we
were just talking a few weeks ago about TJ being
given a second a second chance here. It's very short lived,
isn't it.

Speaker 9 (10:44):
Well, yeah, I think he still has a big part
to play in terms of you know, they always say
twenty three man game and they obviously decided you know that,
or I have decided at the moment that the best
way to do it is Cortez starting in TJ finishing
when when cam roy Guard comes back, I'm almost certain
we're number nine and Cortez Latimo will go back to
being that impact player off the bench.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Okay, fair enough, how's the cricket going.

Speaker 9 (11:05):
I think we're going all right. I don't think we've
ever been that bad at red ball cricket. We seem
to lose white ball games here, there and everywhere, But no,
I think we're doing a right up in Gaul. I
loved watching Willow rook yesterday five for fifty five. A
fast bowler picking up five wickets in the subcontinent. It's
pretty rare. This bloke looks like a guy who could
bowl fast for us for a very long time. God
forbid he should get injured like Kyle Jamison has been

(11:26):
in the last couple of years. But I really like
the cut of Willow Willow Rocks GYP three hundred and
five Sri Lanka. We're two fifty five for four. I
think it's set up quite nicely. Think we're doing a
right Have you been.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Looking at the scenery shots of a half like the
beach on either side of this field.

Speaker 9 (11:44):
It's like a tourism ad for Sri Lanka.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Mate, I'll tell you what I'm suddenly thinking I need
to go there. Hey, thank you very much, poney, enjoy
your weekend. That's Jason Pine, host of Weekend Sport Hither.
I've noticed there are a lot of homeless people and
people in emergency housing motels with puppies and dogs. Look,
they appear to just be everywhere. It appears that every
part of society has decided that they absolutely need a
dog with a passion at the moment, and then they

(12:08):
went and got one. Is it like it's one of
the things I think that happened to us in lockdown.
We went slightly crazy for some things, didn't we unnecessary
amount numbers of shoes online purchasing and puppies for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather duplicy Allen Drive with fun New Zealand, Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Heather during COVID times, it was just so easy to
sell puppies. Just before the second lockdown, I sold a
litter of twelve Labradors in one day at two thousand
dollars each. Thank you, John puts into some perspective. We're
going to go to Dan Mitchinson, our US correspondent in
about twelve minutes time. Unfortunately, once again, Elon Musk has
gone online. Every time Elon Musk goes online, it's an

(12:54):
unfortunate moment. He's tweeted something along the lines of why
aren't people trying to assassinate by and Kamela, which may
I mean can be read in one level as a
legit question like why aren't they trying to But on
another question on another level, it can be it can
read very much like a suggestion that maybe that's what
people want to do, so dodgy is all hell. He'll

(13:14):
talk us through that now. I don't know about you,
just back here full twenty five. I don't know about you,
but I'm not going to catch a fairy anytime soon.
I mean, who wants to dice with catching a fairy
across the cook straight at the moment, because we were
up until now it was like at least Bluebridge, the
private guys can still be trusted and relied on. It's
Kiwi Rail who are stuffing up nick minute. Connie Mahra

(13:37):
loses power at about half past ten at night, just coming
out of pict In and floats around there, floats around
in the cook straight for a wee bit and they
send a couple of tugs over and the tugs drag
it into Wellington and they get there about five and
a half hours later. Now nobody got hurt, thank god. Whatever,
it was just a bit. It just took a little
bit longer than it's supposed to. But I don't know

(13:57):
about you. I'm fast starting to lose confidence. No, it's
the confidence is gone. I'm not losing it's completely it's
completely gone. Confidence is gone in going anywhere across the
cook straight on the water at the moment, because you
don't want to be the one where the thing that
the very bad thing happens. That's the very thing the
Maritime Union is worried about is that we've got very

(14:18):
lucky here. We've had the wind blowing things in the
right direction. We've landed on sand and not on rocks.
You know, it's basically been there by the grace of God.
But you know you don't want to be landing. You
don't want to be landing on the rocks. You don't
want to be on the ship when that happens. I
don't know how you get across the cook straight now,
because now you can't go on the boats. You certainly
can't fly with the New Zealand across from Wellington to

(14:39):
to Nelson. I mean you basically have to sell one
of your children to afford that. Anyway, we'll talk to
the Maritime Union after five o'clock about it. Also, we're
back into the tipping debate, aren't we, Because Luke Dello
Luke Dello as in like Simon's brother, as in a
who owns a whole bunch of hospow joints just brought
bought into Chapel Bar to save it on Ponziby Road.
Luke reckons when need start tipping properly in New Zealand.

(15:02):
Now he reckons there's a little trade off here where
what needs to happen is that hospow owners need to
stop charging you one of your children for a beer,
like eighteen dollars for a Heinek and or whatever a
ridiculous price we're paying now that he reckons we need
to drop the barrier to entry, so drop the price
is lower, which means that when you're sitting there and
having a good time, you've got a bit more cash
you can you will give it to the waiter as

(15:22):
a tip. That's not logic that I follow. Being part Scottish,
I'm just can put all that money in my pocket.
But anyway, we'll talk to him about it. Quarter past
five headlines are.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Next, Hard questions, Strong opinion. Heather due per se allan
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and news
talk as it'd be.

Speaker 12 (15:44):
Feel the rain on you?

Speaker 3 (15:46):
No one as can feel a five?

Speaker 13 (15:51):
No one.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (15:56):
The Maritime Union is going to be with us after
five o'clock, Collins put me right. Apparently the vessel didn't
leave Picton. It left Wellington on its way to Picton
and then conked out and then got taken back to Wellington.
Is that right? I just I lose track so many
of these nowadays, you know how it is? The fairy
breaks down. Was it leaving Wellington or Pickton? I don't know.

(16:16):
Maybe I was talking about the last one. We've got
a statement from the Green Party. Okay, here we go.
This is really the court ruling. We welcome. This is
read Darlene Tanna. Obviously, we welcome the High Court's ruling
that our decision to pursue an independent investigation into the
actions of Darlene Tana and ultimately request her resignation as
a member of Parliament were well within the bounds of
our party constitution, says Chloe Swarbrick. As we have just

(16:38):
received today's judgment. We will take the appropriate time to
take advice and consider next steps. We will have more
to say in due course. Now, interesting that the Green
Party has just one has just won the court case
and then has decided to not immediately go right and
we're going to have the meeting again and kick her out.
They're not doing that. They're going Okay, we're gonna have
to think about this and think about what we're going

(16:59):
to do next. Now, the reason for this may be
that I have heard that there is some concern within
the Green Party they need seventy five percent of that
meeting to decide to kick her out, and there is
some concern that they may not get seventy five percent.
They may it's just too high a threshold, and they
may not be that many people on board. But anyway,
get Barry soapers take when he's with us in ten

(17:20):
minutes time, right now, twenty three away from five.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive his.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Will as leader. Has broadcast a message across Lebanon threatening
a response to Israel's attacks.

Speaker 12 (17:32):
That Israeli enemy targeted thousands of pages. They were detonated
at the same time. The enemy crossed all the rules,
laws and readlines. This will be confronted with a severe
reconning and a just punishment in expected unexpected ways.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Trump has been busy ranting about inflation during an interview.

Speaker 14 (17:54):
And somebody said the other day, but a lot of
people said that it was really God that saved me
because he wants me to save the country. The country
is going so bad with everything that's happening between inflation
that's ruining people. It's ruining people, it's killing our senior
citizens and a lot of other people too.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
But he also spoke at an event about his disappointments
in the Jewish vice.

Speaker 13 (18:17):
The current polling has me with Jewish citizens, Jewish people,
people that's supposed to love Israel. After having done all
of that, having been the best president, the greatest president
by far, by far, a pole just came out, I'm
at forty percent. You can't let this happen. Forty percent
is not acceptable.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Meanwhile, Kamal has been hanging out with Oprah. Part of
my plan is to give startup small businesses a fifty
thousand dollars tax deduction to start up their small business.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Right now, it's five thousand dollars.

Speaker 15 (18:50):
No, they can start a small business with five thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
So that's part of my plan.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
It's a teen a ton of business.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
That's that's a business in eighteen tina buildings.

Speaker 16 (19:00):
It's a concept of the business.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
And finally, I mean, you're gonna want to shoot the
dogs after this. Chinese zoogoers are barking mad after learning
the alleged pandas that they visited at Shanwaizoo were just
dogs painted to look like pandas, weren't they. The deception
was uncovered by visitors after one of the so called

(19:25):
pandas began barking and panting like a dog. The zoo
tried to pretend that I had nothing to see here.
They claimed the dogs were actually just a breed of
panda dogs.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
If we had panda dogs in this country, wouldn't have
such a big problem. Dan Mitchison, US correspondent, Hello, Dan.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
That's the best laugh I've had all week.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I think, Well, how do you not know what a
panda looks like when you go to the zoo? Though?
Do you know what I mean? Like, surely you go.
That's the attraction. You surely have seen to the kids.
I see a panda. Look this is what a panda
looks like on Google and then that's not a panda immediately.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
Well you would.

Speaker 17 (20:08):
And they don't hike their legs when they have to
go to the toilet or anything like that either.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Do they do pandas walk around on all fools like dogs?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
I don't. I think sometimes they do.

Speaker 17 (20:18):
Yes, I know, I know we could go on for
ages about pandas, but anyway, it's funny.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, anyway, So that thing that happened, Okay, now what
what was what was elon mask? Meaning?

Speaker 17 (20:32):
Okay, so this was a tweet that he had sent
out and he was questioning why no one was trying
to assassinate President Biden or Vice President Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Well, you don't do that because the.

Speaker 17 (20:45):
Secret Service gets involved, and right now they're looking into
that the tweet was deleted, so they're trying to find
a lot of people are trying to follow uh, basically
an information Act right now to see what the response was.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Because there was a user on.

Speaker 17 (21:02):
X who said why they want why do they want
to kill Donald Trump? And then that's when Musk said,
and no one's even trying to assassinate Biden and Kamla.
So he deleted the message. But it's true that Harris
has not been shot at. However, the Feds are going
to tell you that they have arrested and they won't
say exactly how many people, but a number of people
who have threatened to kill her since she began her

(21:24):
vice presidency in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Just a stupid thing that must put out there, well.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Because you know, one reading of it is sort of
like an invitation to do it, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (21:32):
Well it is and what he's saying is, and he's
said this before when he sent out idiotic tweets, is that, Hey,
this is my sense of humor.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
You know that I was just joking. I was just
kidding around it.

Speaker 17 (21:43):
There's some things you don't really kid about, especially when
you're in a position like he is.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, okay, Now, how are the polls going for Donald
Trump and Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Well, I'll tell you pretty darn good right now.

Speaker 17 (21:55):
Although there's a new way people out that finds it,
Trump's favorability remains underwater. I mean something like he's out
fifty eight maybe sixty percent unfavorable to thirty eight percent favorability.
But the poles are dead tied in a lot of
these I mean, this is this selection I think could
and we've talked about this in six weeks, so it
could come down just a handful of voters in a
lot of battleground states. And that's where we're seeing both

(22:17):
candidates right now. We've had a number of poles that
have come out and each one of them are saying
these guys are in a dead heat to win these
key swing states. There is a slight edge that Kamala
Harris is holding right now nationwide in a lot of
these poles. I mean and when I say a slight edge,
I mean margin evera is like maybe two percent, So
that's that's a dead heat.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Dan who is this check Mark Robinson?

Speaker 17 (22:40):
Okay is he's a Republican candidate for governor for North
Carolina right now, and they're calling him a quote black nazi,
and the CNN is reporting that that's what he has
referred to as as himself. And he's been on the
websites right now, going back to twenty two and long

(23:00):
before he was a public figure, and looking at all
these conservative sites, a lot of very interesting sex sites
as well. And there are people that are inside the
Trump campaign right now that have been pressuring this guy
to drop out of the race or saying, you know what,
we don't want you at these campaign events in these
critical battleground states. So he did not appear with a

(23:22):
vice presidential candidate J. D.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Vance On.

Speaker 17 (23:24):
I think it was yesterday and Raleigh he was supposed
to be and then all of a sudden because they
said he had COVID. Then today he canceled several of
his own appearances. And it's just another one of these
instances that things are coming out on social media and
the web right now as we head towards November, where
you just sort of shake your hand and you wonder,
how did we get to where we.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Are, or we're talking about a guy like this.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
You buried the lead on this guy. The reason that
we know he calls himself a black Nazi is because
it's on porn websites, right, So he's been going on
the porn websites and just letting us know all of
his thoughts about everything that he's seeing on there right.

Speaker 17 (23:57):
Well, that and he has certain fetishes or whatever you
want to call it, if he likes, and it's just
become a very public and it's even if you're even
if you're a Republican, you just don't want to do that.
And then the Trump campaign doesn't want him around.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Do you have a self respecting person you don't want
to do that? Dan, Thank you, I appreciate it, Dan,
Dan Mitchison US corresponding, this is what this guy's been saying. Okay,
it's been going on the porn sites and it seems
like it may be slightly historic, but like not that historic,
like we're talking about within the last ten ten, fourteen
years or so, calls himself a PERV. He goes on

(24:31):
to a particular porn site called Nude Africa, and he said,
slavery is not bad. Some people need to be slaves.
I wish they would bring slavery back. I certainly would
buy a few. So anyway that happened, American politics say,
it makes you feel sane because you're like, well, at
least it is nut. So as we might be, we're
not that nut. So now that business about the Secretary

(24:54):
General of his Bulla giving his first speech since the
blowing up of the pagers and the walkie talkies and
the radios and stuff like that. While the Israelis are
messing with these guys' heads. While he's giving his speech,
there are jets, Israeli fighter jets that start carrying out
mock air raids in the sky above, breaking the sound

(25:15):
barrier over Bay Route. People come out of their houses
to see, like that is how noisy it is. They
come out of their houses to see what's going on,
and they've got flares up in the air and stuff
like that. It's the lowest that the jets has flown
over Bay Roots since the beginning of the war in October.
So there's a fair bit of messing with the mind
going on here as well.

Speaker 6 (25:31):
Bury.

Speaker 16 (25:31):
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Speaker 3 (25:37):
Barriso Per, Senior political correspondent.

Speaker 8 (25:38):
Barry Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Do you this hesitation from the Greens as to whether
they go back to the votes to try and kick
Darlien out does it say anything to you?

Speaker 8 (25:46):
Well, I think they almost have to go back to
the party membership because that's what they've always done when
it comes to something like this, and from the people
that I've talked to within the Greens, that is expected,
and I would think the Greens now would be of
a mind. As you say, they're going to get seventy
five percent of the membership, but they've seen the antics

(26:08):
of Darlene Tana trying to delay her removal from Parliament.
The only way that they can do it successfully is
the Walker jumping legislation. If they enact that, they're eating
humble pie. Of course they are. But if you look
at the proportionality of Parliament under the mixed member proportional
system that's expected of them. You've got to maintain the

(26:29):
proportionality that the voter went out and voted for it
the last election. And if they don't do that, if
they don't invoke the legislation, they're laughing in the face
of the electoral system. So in my mind, if they're
pure politicians, they've got to do it.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
But if they're pure greenies, they've got to.

Speaker 8 (26:48):
Greens have shown themselves to be slightly weird in many areas.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Do they need to take on this fight with Darling?
This girl is beating them at every turn.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
Well, it's not a fight now. If they now invoke
the what could jumping legislation, she'll be gone the speaker.

Speaker 18 (27:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Fair enough. But here's the thing, Right, they have to
go to this meeting and get seventy five percent in agreement.
What if they don't get five percent agreement? How embarrassing
is that after everything they've been with her.

Speaker 8 (27:14):
Well you can be rest assured before they do it,
they will know the delegates that are coming to this
meeting and they'll be representative. There won't be the whole party,
but they'll be represented.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Is it possible that's why they're not going to have.

Speaker 8 (27:27):
Well if they don't go, then that I agree with you.
Hither that says a lot about the greed.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
So they're taking a little bit of account here above
sounds and things. Okay, hey, listen, Luxon has floated the
idea of a four year parliamentary term, is he.

Speaker 8 (27:38):
Yes, he has. I mean this is a bit of
a change from January he was saying that the National
Party doesn't really have a position on it. But indeed,
under the coalition agreements with both ACT and New Zealand,
first they agree that a four year parliamentary term should be,
it should be, And in fact there's legislation basically in

(28:02):
process from the ACT party enabling that, and it's set
or to be debated with its first reading shortly and
that can lay on the order paper and they can
enact it after the next election if the re referendum
goes in the way that all the parties have agreed
there should be And my view is there should be

(28:24):
a four year term. The last vote that was taken
by referendum on it was back in nineteen ninety and
was voted down then. I voted for it, but having
seen under MMP the unbridled power of the Labor government
over the past three years, I don't know. I'm so
sure that we need a four year term. The argument

(28:45):
has always been that in the first of the three
years you have the party sort of solidifying its position
in government. Second you get policy. The third is looking
out to fight the next election, so you don't really
time to enact what should be decent policy. So that
last one I talked about nineteen ninety the turnout of

(29:08):
voters was eighty two percent and that was rejected by
sixty nine percent of voters. The only other referendum that's
been held in a four year parliament was in nineteen
sixty seven. There was only a turnout then, funnily enough,
at the election of just on seventy percent, sixty eight
percent voted against it. So it doesn't have a good

(29:29):
track record, but I think people have probably changed their moment.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
No doubt it. It's a really easy one to defeat,
you know how, yeap. You just remind people of what
happened under the Labor seriously, just remind conservative voters of
what happened in the Labor for six Well.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
I'm a bit soft on it, and I was quite
for it.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, I'm going to talk about this later on because
I completely disagree with you. Hey, haven't got a huge
amount of time, But that address from the Prime Minister,
it's a Bloomberg sounded, I'm sorry to say, but very boring.

Speaker 8 (29:54):
It's pretty lacklust Basically, I'll give you a bit of
the audio. Luxeon told his audience that's at Bloomberg that
New Zealand's distance from the rest of the world is
no longer a hindrance to our trade prospects.

Speaker 19 (30:07):
At a time when the weight of the global economy
is increasingly shifting from the Atlantic into the Pacific, the
old argument of the tyranny of distance has actually never
felt more distant. Rapidly rising Asian middle class is a
win win for New Zealand. On the one hand, the
surging demand is great for our quality products and experiences,
and it's great news for Kiwi exporters back here at home.

(30:28):
But on the other hand, that same growth in the
middle classes across the Indo Pacific is also creating new
pools of savings and new pools of capital, offering fresh
opportunities for inbound foreign direct investment into New Zealand as well.

Speaker 8 (30:42):
Now, that was the wind up to his speech.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
That was the crescendo was it.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
That was the crescendo. And I've got to say, look,
there should be somebody out there instructing Luxen on how
to deliver a speech and excite the audience.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Began.

Speaker 11 (30:56):
That's not doing it.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
It is economics though, isn't it?

Speaker 8 (30:59):
Well, it is because it'll be really exciting when it
comes to that.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
E don't go to one of those. Okay, thank you, Verry,
appreciate it. Very supper, We'll writ the political week that
was a quarter past six is very Soope our senior
political correspondent seven away from five, putting the.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 20 (31:14):
Where are we at with the aut racist policy of
handing out a better travel deal for employees who happened
to be Mario pacificate Courchiary Minister Penny Simmons is with
us on this. Now they defend it, don't they?

Speaker 18 (31:23):
Yes, they do, and look they have an absolute right
to defend it, and the education and training at twenty
twenty gives them that independence to.

Speaker 21 (31:31):
Make those decisions.

Speaker 18 (31:33):
So I can't direct them to take notice of the
cabinet circular or the intent in it. I can only
draw it to their attention. Look, I've spoken with the
Vice Chancellor the dayment and I think that aut have
got some good rationale behind this decision.

Speaker 20 (31:50):
Back Monday from six am, the mic asking breakfast with
the Jaguar News Talk ZBI.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, nobody's into the four year term here, the four
year term, imagine that with ourdurn here the enough your
term for me? No, thanks very much here, why not
do three years for the first term and then if
you voted in and you get the public's confidence, you
get four or five years because you still get your cinder,
don't you Because she got voted back in, you still
get four or five years. That's so no, no, no, no, anyway,
we'll talk about that later because there's some very good,
very good points coming through on the text, which are

(32:16):
actually points that I intend to make, and we'll do
that in the next hour. The government has just done something.
I think if you if you get if the whole
crime situation and the way the thing is stacked at
the moment in the way the court system works, gets
you back up, you're going to like what the government's
just done, which is putting eighteen million bucks into improving
victim's experience of the criminal justice system. Now what this

(32:38):
means in practice is they're going to establish like a
dedicated support unit for victims of youth crime because there's
a lot of youth crime going on. And we'll get
We're going to chat to Ruth Money later on in
just a few minutes find out what that actually will do.
The thing I particularly like is that they are going
to pay people it's a trial. They're going to pay
people to help victims, pay to write their victim impact statement.

(33:00):
That is a massive change right previous government, we were
paying people to write reports for the criminals, culture reports.
That's gone and now we're writing reports for the victims.
And that's why it should be so Ruth Money on
that shortly and the Maritime Union mixed up on what
happened to that fairy that it lost power.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
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Speaker 2 (33:37):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Afternoon, it's happened again. Another cook straight fairy got into
trouble last night. This time it was a Bluebridge fairy.
And it lost power as the Connamara, traveling from Wellington
to Picton, had eighty eight people on board. Then the
lights went out, started drifting in the cook straight and
two tugs had to bring it back into Wellington. Maritime
Union of New Zealand National Secretary Carl fin lears with
us on this. Hey, Carl, they don't very well, thank you?

(34:02):
What happened?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Well, well, it sounds just lost power and they were
drifting around the only power of their head was on
the bridge and that was emergency lighting, so that that
was great. The crew could see al they're going to
run into.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Well, how does a fairy just lose power?

Speaker 5 (34:21):
Well, I guess we have to wait for the investigation.
There's a few rumors going around out there what actually
happened there, But I would prefer we waited until the
investigation come out.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Because those of us, Karl, who don't understand this kind
of thing, which includes me obviously, is this like an
electrical failure? Does it run out of some sort of
fuel like what causes something like this to happen?

Speaker 5 (34:43):
Well, honestly, it could be all of the above technology.
Who knows. That's why I say best off waiting for
the report. We don't want to start begging, begging people
when they don't deserve it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Is there any chance, is there any chance at all
that it's human error?

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Not from what I'm hearing through the grapevine. But but again,
I don't want to you know, you say too much
of that until the investigations out there. Yeah, we'll look
at this happening start too often, hasn't it?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yeah? Too right now, The thing is, this is the
first time in ages that something like this has happened
to Bluebridge. It's usually Kiwi Ral and key we Rale's
problem is that they're patching up really old vessels and
not doing a particularly good job of it. What's Bluebridge's problem?

Speaker 5 (35:26):
Well, I'm not so sure. In March twenty twenty three,
the bridge, you know, hit the wharf, causing a lot
of damage to the on the on the current Connoma
you know, twenty twenty two there are issues, you know,
with engineering issues, twenty twenty one, there's various issues with
Connoma again and now now I'll get to twenty twenty

(35:49):
four that loses power and as you pointed out, q
I had a lot of issues too. The ironic things
they've been well, they've been running around shooting themselves in
the foot with the government's generous help. The Blue Bridge
part of the business has been smoking in the background.

(36:10):
And albeit they're not squeaked claim in.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
The case of them both just running their equipment into.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
The ground, Oh no, I don't. Yeah, well, I guess
it's a good question. Only they're running it into the
ground on purpose. I mean carry Out had a plan,
didn't they, And that was just ripped out from underneath
them by the government nine months ago.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
That we've got two completely different providers and they're both
they're both doing idiotic things on the same bit of water.

Speaker 5 (36:44):
Well exactly, So let's let's get the six once and
for all on that one provider. They're run by the
run by by news ylanders, looked after by news ylanders,
looking after the piece of infrastructure.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Okay, Carl, thank you. I appreciate it. By the way,
Carl Findlay Finlay, the Maritime Union of New Zealand National Secretary.
You see what I mean. I don't know if you
should catch a fairy eleven past.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Five, hever duper Cy Ellen good news.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
For the victims of crime. The government's putting eighteen million
bucks into improving their experience of the justice system. So
they're going to trial, having specialists help write victim impact statements,
and there will also be a dedicated support for victims
of youth crime Ruth Money as a victim's advocate, Hay Ruth.
This sounds like a complete change, doesn't it. I mean,
it wasn't that long ago that we were funding the

(37:30):
writing of culture reports for criminals, and now we're funding
the writing of impact statements for victims, which is the way
it should be.

Speaker 22 (37:36):
It's a lovely change. I am embracing every second of it.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Is it going to make a difference? Do you think?

Speaker 22 (37:42):
I atal genuinely do believe it will make a difference.
Victims have been screaming out this type of support, particularly
when they are offended against by young people, so it's
really lovely to see that it has been acknowledged.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Is it.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
I mean, do people who find themselves victims of crime
sometimes find it hard to kind of artic related?

Speaker 22 (38:01):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yea.

Speaker 22 (38:03):
The trauma you're not rational, you don't have a kind
of linear thought because of trauma. But also no one
tells you anything, so you don't know what you don't
know and you're just lost in this system that speaks
a different language and doesn't really communicate with you as
the victim.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Yeah, and what about the dedicated support for victims of
youth crime, including victims of sexual violence by youth offenders?
What does that? What does that actually look like?

Speaker 22 (38:29):
This is probably the biggest part of this announcement that
I'm most excited about, although clearly I'm embracing all of it. So,
victims of sexual crime, when the offender is a what
they call a young person youth basically are forced, slashed,
encouraged to attend a family group conference with their rapist,

(38:51):
with the person who sexually abused them. Because the youth
justice system, quite appropriately, is all about rehabilitation. But when
it comes to sexual crime, it's not like someone just
nick jack car, right, Nick your car. I get it.
You're comfortable being in the room talking to them about
the impacts on you and trying to get them back
on track. But when you are forced into a room,

(39:14):
for encouraged strongly into a room to face the person
who has sexually abused you, it is very difficult, and
it absolutely takes a skill set that is not autoing
a commody, key social workers. It is a specialist sexual
violence restoration person and that's what's being funded, which is

(39:37):
so appropriate.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
That's very cool. Hey, Ruth, thank you very much. Enjoy
your weekend. Ruth's money. Victim's advocate. Apparently, I was not
expecting this, and I'm very happy to say I must
have been proven wrong. I must have been wrong, and
I am being proven wrong. Let me say that correctly.
Kamala Harris did get a bounce from that debate. Apparently
in the polls, the economist is doing like a pole

(39:59):
of poles and aggregate of all the available poles, and
it reckons. You can now see the bowl, the bounce
in her lift and support after the debate that she
had with Donald Trump. On the day of the debate,
the poll tracker had her leading Donald Trump by three
point eight points. It has now jumped to four point
five points. Now, it doesn't feel significant to zero point
seven percent jump, right, But what is probably is better

(40:22):
than that, because it's an aggregate of It's an aggregate
across poles, but also across time. By the looks of things,
of the whole bunch of poles that were done before
the debate that are also still in the mix, so
she's being dragged down by that, so possibly once they
kind of work their way through, she actually jumps up
even higher. Two caveats to this. The first is, obviously

(40:43):
it's not the popular and national vote that will determine
whether she becomes the president or not. It all comes
down to the Swing states, and there aren't enough poles
in the Swing States to really get a clear, clear,
clear idea of what's going on there. And the second
caveat is that this was done before he had the
second assassination attempt and got on. Who knows what impact
that has. I mean, I said neither of them would
have an impact, but maybe maybe they both do. Quarter past,

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Speaker 2 (42:01):
Ever do for c ellens.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Oh my gosh, I keep getting this text from someone
here that Kamala Harris was wearing earphones disguised as large
airings during that debate. I don't think so, but I
don't know. Maybe you're reading Elon's Twitter account again eight
and you should not do that. Eighteen past five. Now
the tipping debate is back, and this time with a twist.
It's coming from Luke Dallo, who's got three years of
hospitality or three decade sorry if hospitality experience under his belt.

(42:26):
He reckons bars and restaurants need to cut the prices
on their menu of their beers and their food and
so on, and that will encourage people to start tipping
in ease with us.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Now, Hi, Luke, Hey, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 10 (42:37):
That's not me texting you?

Speaker 21 (42:38):
By the way, I'm glad that's.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Not you texting me, Otherwise I'd hang up on you immediately. Luke,
do you reckon? This is going to work? If I
pay less for a beer, I'm going to want to
give a couple of bucks to the staff.

Speaker 10 (42:50):
Absolutely. I mean, we've going to change your status quo
of restaurants and bars. At the moment, it's really unaffordable
to go on Posby Road and have a good night out.
And the whole life idea of hospitality is to go
out two or three times a week. Now, I could
pint of heinekin on Ponsrey Roads sixteen dollars. If we
can reduce that down to fourteen dollars, and if you

(43:11):
give good service, you're going to give the waiter or
the waitress behind the bar or on the floor next
to two dollars. I've worked it out.

Speaker 7 (43:18):
I've done.

Speaker 10 (43:18):
The mass minimum wage is twenty three dollars an hour.
And if you can't make twenty dollars and tips, which
brings it up to forty three dollars an hour, that's
a pretty good wage.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
That makes wrong so tipic.

Speaker 10 (43:30):
This is a good time to bring the tipping practice in.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
Okay, But I don't get why you want to do this.
Because they will get more, your staff will get more.
But you're going to have to take a bit of
a cut.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
Yeah, but I'm going to get bums on the seat.

Speaker 10 (43:41):
I'm going to get turnover. I'm going to turn tables
over because my waits and waitresses wanting to make more money.
So they're going to go bang bang great service, great service,
blah blah bomb, give another turnover on this.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
You know, because they want to make That's what it is.
They're going to make turnover and I'll make it, you know,
I'll make mine for your cat. And look, I've been
driving around and look at them your road.

Speaker 10 (44:00):
You've got these the Chinese and the Lovely Dumpling place.

Speaker 7 (44:04):
Stay out full. They are choker good, imagy cheap because
they're cheap, and they turned things over. Come on pots
of the road. It's dead because the European model they
wants to make a bigger profit. Now I've been in
the hospitality for thirty years. I have to pivot.

Speaker 10 (44:21):
I've got to change, and this is what I'm thinking
about doing.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yes, hey, you've just brought into chapel, haven't you.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
No, No, I like that's a long story.

Speaker 10 (44:29):
That's I sold out a chapel two weeks before the
feast lockdown. I left some money behind, and the boys
win and the receivership and there are that's a love story.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
I should stop spreading that story then, because now I
thought that was going to happen, and I was going
to ask you if you're excited about it. But yeah,
I take your point about ponsby Road. I think you're
onto something. Luke, it's always good to talk to you, mate.
Look after yourself. That's Luke dello Auckland, hospitality entrepreneur.

Speaker 7 (44:49):
Luke.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Stuff is always good. I recommend finding one of his
joints and go along to it. Now, the case of
Stephen Stone is fascinating when and we're going to talk
about this in fifteen minutes, because Stephen Stone was one
of the guys found guilty in nineteen eighty nine of
the murders of Dean full of Sands and Leah Stevens.
And then last month the Crown prosecutors said actually, yeah, nah,

(45:10):
he should have his convictions quashed because this was a mistrial.
And on that day that that happened, he was like, right,
and I'm getting out of jail because he's spent twenty
six years and he has been in jail since, which
is quite weird because you would think if you if
the Crown is even saying, qush the convictions it was
a mistrial, you think the guy would get out. We're
going to talk to Tim McKinnell, who's been doing the
private investigation on this. As I say in fifteen minutes

(45:32):
five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and
new stalks.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
That'd be Heather.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Sixteen dollars for a Heinek and no wonder, no one
goes there. It's nine bucks at my local waite. Jeez,
you haven't spent enough time in these places like Parnal
on Ponsonby you would be it's eye watering some of
the prices. Twenty four past five now looks like we're
going to get an unexpected referendum at the next election
on four year terms, which has been speaking about it
in the show, because Chris Luxon's given a speech today

(46:02):
saying he's going to push for a referendum in twenty
twenty six. So what that means is the earliest we
will probably get it as twenty twenty nine, right, we'd
vote for it in twenty twenty six, yes or no,
and then at the next election you would go into
that new term or remain with the three year terms,
which we about twenty twenty nine before the thin kis
and so maybe five years away. I hope it doesn't

(46:23):
happen because I think I'm going to vote against it,
absolutely open to having my mind changed if there's a
decent argument to have it. But in the last few
years in politics I have been badly burned on the
idea of a four year term because can you imagine
Jacinda and that lot in for not six years but
eight years. And now this is not a commentary on

(46:44):
the fact that I disagree with a lot of the
politics that where is at play or their mismanagement of
the economy. Although I've got to be honest, I would
hate to see that stuff carry on for full eight years.
But it's actually more because of the number of things
that they did without a mandate, the stuff that I
suspect they knew they were going to to do but
didn't tell us about at the twenty twenty election, in
particular because they knew it might not prove popular. Case

(47:05):
and pointers in the Nayabmahuta and the Maori Wards situation,
you know, taking away the rate payers ability to have
a say on whether they want the Maori Wards in
their council. She didn't tell us. You could go through
the twenty twenty Labour Party manifesto, it's not in there.
She didn't tell us she was going to do that. That
was quite a big thing. And now instead of us
having had the debate about it beforehand and then accepting

(47:26):
people have voted for it and let's do it now,
what we're doing is we've got a new government and
they're unwinding and we're having a giant fight about it.
And it's deeply unpleasant, right, but there is nothing at
the time that which when she started rolling it out,
nothing we could do about it, because, unlike many other
countries in our country. We do not have a second house.
We don't have a second chamber. We Australia has got
the Senate. They can veto dumb ideas. We've got nothing.

(47:48):
MMP is supposed to be that guard rail because even
if there is no second house, you're supposed to have
at least a second or third party in coalition that
the party the primary party has to negotiate their dumb
ideas with. That didn't happen last time, and we just
had the one party there forcing dumb ideas on us.
We are already known as the country with the fastest

(48:10):
lawmaking in the world. That says to me, we don't
have a problem getting changed done. There's no problem here
to fix. These guys get in, they spend the first
year and betting themselves. Second ye're ramming through all the change,
and the third year getting re elected. No problem with
them having the opportunity to do the things they want
to do. Three year terms are our guard rail. They
are our second house. We need to have them there.

(48:34):
I don't think we should be giving up on that
too fast.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Ever, duper the ol sports tutle is.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Going to be Please let me know what you think,
as I say, happy to have my mind changed. Its
sport title is going to be a US shortly. By
the way, we're going to get a second moon this spring.
Apparently there's an asteroid which is about the size of
a big bus, which is going to be sucked into
our gravitational pull, Earth's gravitational pull and is going to
start doing lapse of the Earth for about a couple
of months, like basically becoming a mini moon. Will be

(49:00):
with us in nine days time, and it will stick
around until late November, and then it'll shoot off again
and go back home. Unfortunately, you won't see it with
the naked eye, even with by Knox, even with amateur telescopes,
but the astronomers will have the right stuff and they'll
be able to see it for us head lines.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Next, the day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duperice,
Alan drive with One New Zealand let's get connected and
news talk z B.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
You can see, give us six years of good government
is better than eight years of bad government. I'll tell
you what. I would agree that because it probably takes
six years of good government to undo eight years of
bad government. So I think right, Yeah, so far, have
any argument that convinces me that maybe three terms are
a bad idea. M No, nothing's convinced me yet. You're

(50:04):
gonna have to try harder. Hey, Formula one stars have
been told apparently they need to stop swearing in the
cars so much. This is the FIA president has said
that it's just as too much going on in there.
They're not entire The drivers aren't super happy about it.
It's a weird thing for I feel like when you
I feel like, especially with something like motorsport, given that
everything is so finely tuned and so it's so intense

(50:27):
in there. Surely you don't want to be messing with
these guys heads and giving them something else to think about.
This is such an unnecessary Let them swear if they
want to swear. Anyway, we'll talk the sportshuddle about they
get their take on it. Shortly after six o'clock, we're
going to talk to Chris Bishop about the RMA reform.
It's been announced today, two laws to replace. Once we'll
get his take on what's going on. They're twenty three
away from six here. The duplessy Llen now Stephen Stone

(50:49):
has spent the last twenty six years in prison. He's
still in prison, even though the Crown last month accepted
that he was wrongfully convicted. He was found guilty in
nineteen eighty nine of the murders of Dean full of
Sands and Leah Stephens, and last month the Crown urged
the court to quash his convictions and indicated it wanted
a RETRL.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Tim mckinnall is a private investigator who has advocated for
Stephen Stone. Hi, Tim, I either should he still be
in there?

Speaker 23 (51:12):
Well my view absolutely not. The Crown the state in
this case has conceded that he's suffered a miscarriage of justice,
not in one but two murder cases. And if a
single day in prison after the state make those sorts
of concessions, so I think it is a day too many.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
What's like, legally, where are we with him? Is he
still convicted, is he acquitted?

Speaker 13 (51:32):
What?

Speaker 23 (51:34):
He is still convicted? Which is unusual given the circumstances.
So that the Crown conceded he suffered a miscarriage justice,
and Garland and Mark and Colin have as well, but
the judge the judges have yet to make that determination
themselves and it is a matter for them. So in
the meantime, they've decided that he shouldn't have bailage, he

(51:55):
should stay where he.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Is, right, So is it a case of us having
to go back to court for this or is it
so be waiting for the judges to decide whether he's
acquitted or not.

Speaker 23 (52:03):
What seems that the Court of Appeals position is that
he just needs to wait for his decision, for their
decision on whether or not his convictions should be quashed.
We think it is almost certain that his convictions will
be quashed, and in those circumstances, he shouldn't be sitting
in prison.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
So he is being held on a technicality right that
he still remains convicted.

Speaker 23 (52:24):
Yeah, in the normal course of events, that somebody's declined bail,
they have an opportunity to appeal. But there's some legal
intricacies in Stephen's case, in part because it's such an
old case. But one of the things that makes it
more difficult now is that we don't have the reasons
that he's been declined bail. He's simply been told he
doesn't have a bail and that we don't know why.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
That's quite bizarre, isn't it. Do you think this is
going to go to retrial or simply be just once
we get the decision from the judges just left it.

Speaker 23 (52:51):
That My personal view for what it's worth, and it's
just that is that the case against Stephen, Gail, Mark
and Colin was a complete fabrication. None of what the
Crown claimed that the trials was true, and there's no
way in my.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
View that there should be a retrial.

Speaker 23 (53:10):
But the Crown of taking a different view for Gail
and Stephen, and we'll have to wait and see what
the court makes of them.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Tim, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate it.
Thanks mate. Enjoy your weekend. Tim McKinnell, private investigator, Right
now coming up twenty away from.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
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Speaker 3 (53:38):
So I mean, I was just like, man, this is well,
I liked this UFC stuff. Fur like we've got a
fight already.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Man Like.

Speaker 9 (53:49):
God, he gets him that extra bounds cramping corner up now.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Easy catch from Tom Blundell. Well, well, I rock strikes early.
You know this is a Swan song.

Speaker 8 (54:01):
Well, you know, but when does the song stop? I
say that I just don't tonight.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Oklay on the sports tunnel this this evening Levin a
good sports journalist and commentator, and Andrew Ordison News Talk
Z'DB sports reader. Hello you two, Kyoto Korda, are nice
to speak, Greetings guys, great hangs. All right, Levina, We've
got this one against the Wallabies and the bag. Haven't
we nothing to worry about at all? I don't know, Heather,
to be honest.

Speaker 15 (54:32):
I mean, I know they're coming off that record loss
against Argentina, but they beat them the week before by one.
And to be fair, the Wallabies have a whole lot
to play for James Slipper, the thirty five year old
who's playing in his one hundred and fortieth test. Helson
passed George Gregan who set the record seventeen years ago,
and Gregan's swown in from London to be part of
the tributes also for Slipper. So they've got plenty to

(54:54):
play for and they're not taking on an invincible All
Black side at the moment coming back from South Africa.
So I know lots of sports commentators are saying if
Australia get within twenty, the All Blacks will be disappointed.
But usually when it comes to the first first Test
match with the Bladders Low Club, it's always always quite close,
and I think it'll be close to than what most
people think what you reckon orders Gee, I'm.

Speaker 24 (55:17):
With Levina on this. I think it could be closer
than people to think. The thing that's thrown me is
that forty point win to Argentina over Australia. It's really
how the Wallabies respond to that. But I just I've
got a lot of speak for Joe Schmidt and he's
in a student rugby coach. I mean, he knows how
to beat in his inner when he was with Ireland,
did it a couple of times, and I just think

(55:37):
that it shouldn't be I guess underestimated here what the
All Blacks might be up against, particularly in Sydney.

Speaker 8 (55:43):
First up, what do.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
You make Levina of all the chopping and changing that's
going on in terms of the starters.

Speaker 15 (55:50):
I understand Body Barrett now coming off the bench and
starting at fifteen, and I think that's mainly because they're
willing to stick with Damien Mackenzie at ten and to
have Body behind him supporting him that way will mean
a lot if they're going to keep on with Mackenzie
at ten, then I'm all for having body there.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I also like the fact that Caleb Clark has.

Speaker 15 (56:08):
Taken that winger roll over Tilla, who seems to have
lost some confidence in the last few matches. And most
of all, I guess Ethan a group coming back will
bring heaps of punch to the pack. So the chopping
and changing of late I'm not too perplexed by, but
there has been a lot of changes.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
At some stage.

Speaker 15 (56:25):
Robertson just has to stick with something that's going to work,
and it hasn't worked so far. Hopefully it does this
time for the All Blacks.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yet now I've been interested this week orders and the
fact that sunny Bill Williams has come out and said, look,
we need to start picking the overseas players, and he's
named a bunch of players that we should pick. This
doesn't feel that controversial anymore. Feels like we need to
get onto it, doesn't it is it a bit of
a knee jerk reaction though, I just wonder.

Speaker 24 (56:47):
I mean, if you were going to apply it, sure
you would apply more.

Speaker 25 (56:50):
Of a I know, like a stagger at like a
Geto law type scenario from twenty fifteen where you have
to apply to certain number of tests to be able
to reach are shold if you like before they allow
that to happen with.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
The experience, etc.

Speaker 24 (57:04):
But then again, I mean if you look at other codes,
I mean where would cricket be if you if you
prevented players from you know, who are playing overseas and
playing in the national team. So it's it might be
moving with the times given the era that we're in,
that that you do have to think a bit more
about that, given it's worked for South Africa, hasn't.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
It, Levina. We're in the cricket we're just all out,
just been bowled all out for three p forty and
we're lead by thirty five? Is that all right? We
are we doing okay here?

Speaker 15 (57:30):
I'm just loving the fact we've got world class Test
cricket we can watch at a decent hour as well,
so you know, no need for us to panic at
the moment.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
But how good was Will O'Rourke. Have you heard of him, Heather?
Ever heard of him? He's a fast boller. He's a fastball,
isn't he.

Speaker 15 (57:43):
He's a fast bowler playing in his third Test for
the black Caps and came out, was an absolute menace
in his first spell. You know, he could bounce it.
He was scintillating with speed. He was cracking orders. You
know this well over one hundred and forty kilometers per
hour when generating the bowl. And he's just a new
kid on the block. He's six foot four, he's twenty
two years of age, and that alone makes it worth

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watching the Black Caps at the moment.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
It's a pity, isn't it. Older is that it's raining
and miserable and wet in New Zealand, because when you're
watching the cricket right now, you feel like it should
be summer.

Speaker 24 (58:14):
Absolutely, look at gauld to that I haven't afford to
cover a Test match, but that would be that would
be really one on the bucket list, I suspect. I mean,
it's just I understand that the seafood's brilliant as well.
You just cross the road and grab some lunch there, etc.
And it's just so idyllic under in the shadow of
the fort. So yeah, it's quite something to behold. You're

(58:34):
probablylucky to get that lead here.

Speaker 18 (58:36):
Now.

Speaker 15 (58:36):
I've never been there, but I want to go now
because it's freezing and Tottnger, And every time I watch
something on TV where it's not raining and cold, I
miss that I need to go.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
It was a beautiful cricket ground. It feels like it's
sort of like on some sort of an isthmus say,
it's got beaches on either side. You think, jeez, are
you go to the cricket and you go for a
dip afterwards? All right, we'll come back to you guys
in the TIC quarter.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
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Speaker 3 (59:01):
Right, we're back with the sports tittle orders. Do you
know what they're cutting from the comms comm games yet?

Speaker 8 (59:07):
Well?

Speaker 24 (59:08):
I know actually, but I think it's more what they'll
try and keep, isn't it. If you're going to keep
any sports, that all had to be the pinnacle ones
at that level For those particular sports, I'm thinking lawn bowls,
netball sevens where there's a high Commonwealth participation level, et cetera.
So in addition to the core ones, athletic swimming will

(59:29):
be there automatically and presumably cycling as well. So then
you have to make up your mind what you're going
to have for the other few to make up the ten.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Would you keep lawn bowls Leavina, Yeah, I'm not sure.

Speaker 15 (59:41):
I'm actually I don't even think I want to keep
the Commonwealth Games.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Now.

Speaker 15 (59:45):
The last time Glasgow hosted it was in twenty fourteen.
Back then there were seventeen sports heather and it costs
one point two billion New Zealand dollars, right, so Glasgow
is still paying that off. The last Commonwealth Games there
were nineteen sports. It's down to ten, no athletes, a billion.
What does that look like? Are we're builiting the athletes.
There's no opening ceremony, there's no closing ceremony. It's almost

(01:00:06):
like a Clayton's Games. And it's a sign of the
times that we won't have the Commonwealth Games in the future,
I don't think. And this could possibly be the last
one and without the ceremonies, without the athletes, village and
sports not down to ten. I wouldn't be surprised if
Netbull went to be honest, it's not a blue riven
enough sport and I just think it'll lose interest. Even
though New Zealand did really well at the last Commonwealth Games.
I know we came fifth and won twenty gold medals.

(01:00:29):
But I really am absolutely relieved we're not hosting it
in christ Church because New Zealand can't afford it, and
I know Glasgow can't.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yeah, oh, this is ultimately the thing, right, if you
take all the pizazz out of it, which is basically
what they're doing, they're doing it on the budget. It's
not going to generate the kind of excitement that it
has in the past, in which case the people of
the country or the city are not going to want
to host it, and so it's going to get really
hard to get by and for anybody to host twenty
thirty or twenty thirty four. Therefore it dies, right.

Speaker 8 (01:00:56):
That's right.

Speaker 24 (01:00:56):
I think you end up with resentment. I mean you
only have to look at say, I know Montreal and
the Olympics in seventy six when they had the what
they call the Big O, which was the stadium and
it was owe and I think that, yeah, it's very
much going to be like Levenu says Comwealth Games Light,
it's going to be almost like levels of austerity. And

(01:01:17):
really is it just kind of a I guess a
conjurit or just a needs must for to keep the
record alive.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
You're too right, I think it will be Hey, Levina
is the swearing and if one that bad, well, the Big.

Speaker 15 (01:01:31):
Boss has spoken Heather, and the FIA president has said
he doesn't like this swearing. He even puts something on
his personal Instagram page and he's putting all the responsibilities
on the drivers. He's even come out and said there
needs to be a differentiation between motorsport and rapping. So
he's obviously no Kendrick Lamar fan.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
That's for sure.

Speaker 15 (01:01:49):
I can actually understand on the back of that, while
Lewis Hamilton has taken offense to the rapper's analogies, saying
that it's quite stereotypical because most rappers are black and
it's the wrong choice of words and almost racist. And
then you've got Max for Steffan, who's the Red Bulls
triple World champion, saying if you don't like the swearing,
I love this, don't air Team radio and that would
never happen because it makes for gripping viewing. So the

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drivers don't like having a smack on the hand and
ironically it's beat out anyway, and when you hear a beep,
you know that they're swearing. So at the moment the
presidents saying, you guys will get into trouble if they
really want to hit them hard.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
I tell you what they could do is charge ten
grand to the.

Speaker 15 (01:02:28):
Drivers every time there's a beep and donate that to charity.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
But the problem, the problem here, orders is that you're
giving these guys something else to think about other than
driving the car, which is already hard enough. And you
want this to be all that thinking about.

Speaker 24 (01:02:42):
Right, Yeah, I asking quite fairt with the idea of
an if one swear chart, it would be quite.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
You know, flip and heit.

Speaker 11 (01:02:50):
I'd go for that.

Speaker 24 (01:02:52):
But yeah, I think it's these guys. They're putting their
lives on the line every time.

Speaker 11 (01:02:57):
Yeah, you're going at three.

Speaker 24 (01:02:58):
Hundred ks plus around these I mean, you're right, heither,
it's adding another complication. I mean, just you want the
raw reaction, don't you. I mean, yeah, exactly, Like Leavena says,
that's why we're going to the radio afterwards, because you're
getting that when these guys cross the line and get
the chicken flag. So I just think that, Yeah, it's
it's a little bit of overkill.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Really, Hey, guys, good stuff. I really appreciate it and
enjoy your weekend. Levina Good sports journalist and commentator Andrew Ordison,
News Talk Zibbie Sports reader. It doesn't make it a
bit awkward though, to have the young ones watching, because
next minute they turn up at kindy and they're talking
like Max Verstappen. You don't want that, do you? Eight
away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. Heather duple c Allen
Drive with One New Zealand One Giant Leap for Business
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Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Rachel's made a very good point on the text hither
if one and Lego have just done a deal in
order to introduce a younger audience, So no swearming because
they want more money, which is a fair point. Actually
they just announced it. I think it was like overnight
and there's no hue. It's still kind of devoid of details.
So we'll get detail like probably next year or closer
to closer to whenever the whole thing kicks in. But yeah,
as you can imagine, you know, if you're gonna be

(01:04:07):
putting out Max for Stappin's car in little Lego bits
for the six year old to make then the six
year old's gonna want to start watching it, and then
the six year old's going to hear him swearing, and
that's not really what you want. And then all of
a sudden, Ummy and Daddy you're like, well, you can't
be watching that, and that kind of is counterproductive. So
you probably bang on the money there. Rachel Chris Bishop
is going to be with us after six o'clock talk
us through the RMA review that's just been done, the

(01:04:28):
reform rather because it's two pieces of legislation coming to
replace the one piece. A little bit of a twist
in the Health New Zealand job titles drama. Now, I
don't know if you've been following this because it's really
of no consequence, but it is quite weird, and because
it's weird, it's kind of interesting. Do you remember back
in July when Shane Retti sacked the whole Health New

(01:04:49):
Zealand board and then appointed Lester Levy as the commissioner.
One of the things that he said at the time
was that Health New Zealand was so bloated that he'd
actually seen all these weird job titles that he couldn't
possibly like he couldn't explain what the hell was going on.
There was things like wayfinders and pathfinders and boundary spanners,
and as he said, lord knows what else. Well, what

(01:05:10):
then happened between July and this week is that a
media outlet did an Information Act request right official Information
Act requests to Health New Zealand, asking can you provide
evidence of these jobs? And Health New Zealand came back
and said, look, yep, there are four wayfinders, but we've
since renamed them. There's no such thing as pathfinders. There's
no such thing as boundary spanners. And then this week

(01:05:30):
they said there had never been such job titles, which
made Shane that he see look like a tit didn't
it at worst a liar. So now people are like, ah,
this is just making stuff up, are you Health Minister.
Well then he digs up a document from Health New
Zealand showing these jobs actually did exist. It's the Unify
to Simplify Consultation document from late twenty twenty two. It

(01:05:53):
was right at the very start when they was combining
all of the country's DHBs into one big thing, and
these were proposed reports lines with then Health New Zealand
and these jobs did exist. The question now is when
Health New Zealand was if we know that this document exists,
When Health New Zealand was asked for this document, why

(01:06:14):
didn't they find it? Did they want them to look
like a tit? Are they screwing with him like they
did with the Hawks, bay ghb GP thing and the
ethnicity thing. Are they screwing with him like the time
that somebody proposed that they were going to fire five hundred,
five hundred different doctors and fifteen hundred nurses. He doesn't
want to say. He sort of had it suggested to him.
He doesn't really want. I feel like he doesn't want

(01:06:35):
to say that they're screwing with him because nobody wants
to admit that your entire department hates you. But it
feels like that, doesn't it anyway. Listen, you've got to
hear these job titles, though, so I'm going to run
you through them shortly. Stand by.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
He still said, what's down? What were the major calls?
And how will it affect the economy?

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Business questions on the Business Hour with the duplicy Elan
and my Aga on us talks V.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Even in coming up for the next hour. China's just
raised the pension age. Obviously not everyone loves it, so
Peter Lewis will talk us through that. After the half hour,
Barry Soaple will rap the political week that was and
Gavin Gray out of the UK on the Muhammad al
Fayed issue that just keeps on growing and has now
become political at seven past six now, the government says
that the enjoyment of property rights will be the guiding
principle when the RAMA finally gets replaced. Cabinet has agreed

(01:07:33):
that the new rules should only restrict activity that has
material effects on other properties or on the wider natural environment.
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop is with us now, hey
bish good, So does that mean short of affecting other
properties and short of affecting the environment, you can.

Speaker 21 (01:07:48):
Go for it. That is the basic principle behind the
new legislation that will be developing over the next few
months and get it into the House next year and
get it into law by the time of the next
of the RMA. And I think it's why it's widely
understood now, but I think most people have looked at
it that it's broken. It has helped produce one of

(01:08:09):
the most extensive housing markets in the developed world. We've
got an infrastructure deficit, takes too long, cost too much
to get consent to do things in this country, and
so replacing the RMA with a new regime as a
key government priority, we're getting on with it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Okay, So how does it actually make building a house cheaper?

Speaker 21 (01:08:27):
It will make building a house cheaper because it will
reduce the need for resource consents to do things, and
it will mean that as long as you comply with
the clear standards, you won't need a resource consent and
everyone will know where they stand, and it will reduce
the complexity and the time it takes to get a
consent from a council. So we're going to reduce down
the number of plans. For example, So at the moment

(01:08:48):
you know you've got hundreds of plans across different councils.
Regional councils, city councils, district councils will be providing for
one regulatory plan per region, which will be puttly prepared
by the regional and district council. That will significantly improve
efficiency of the way the system works and alongside national standards,
it will make it clear exactly what you need to

(01:09:09):
do in order to get on with enjoying your property
and building things on your property.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
You guys are doing a very similar thing to what
Labor had tried to do previously with the RMAIN, which
is to split it into the two bills. How is
yours actually different from labors?

Speaker 21 (01:09:25):
Ours is different because it takes what works in the
current RMA, which is things like national standards and National
environmental standards, and brings them across into the new regime.
Not everything in the RMA is broken. There are some
things that work quite well, so we're bringing those across
into the new system. But what it doesn't do is
introduce all of the bureaucracy that Labour's proposal did.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
So.

Speaker 21 (01:09:47):
For example, they wanted to have one plan per region
as well. That's good, we agree with that, but they
also want it on top of the existing city and
district councils a thing called a regional Planning Committee. There
were going to be sixteen new bureaucratic regional planning committees
that would sit above regional and district councils. We've done
away with that. We don't think there's a need for that.
They also were going to introduce all sorts of legal

(01:10:08):
complexity by making a thing called upholding a tailoring or
to tail which is a Maori phrase which essentially means
the environment or protecting the environment, but it was essentially
undefined in their legislation. It would have led to enormous
legal wrangling, probably fifteen years of litigation with everyone trying

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to work out exactly what it meant, would have ends
up coming up in the Supreme Court, would have cost
tens of millions of polls to work it out. So
we haven't done any of that stuff. So we're keeping
some of the legal terminology in the existing RMA. We're
keeping some of the things that work well. We're transplanting
that into the new system, but we're reducing down what
resource consenting actually has to do. We're narrowing the scope
of it, and we are strengthening clarifying the role of

(01:10:52):
environmental limits as well. So it's not completely throwing the
baby out with the bath water, but it's getting back
to what resource management should be is fundamentally about development
within environmental limits.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Have you written it yet?

Speaker 21 (01:11:06):
We've appointed an expert advisory groupets CAPENETS agreed on the
ten principles that we announced today, which is exactly how
the system will work. We've appointed seven experts to help
us over the next few months. They aim as to
have a detailed blueprint agreed by ministers by the end
of the year. We'll then write it in the first
six months of next year, and then we'll get it
into the House midway through next year and head it

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into law by bidway through twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
I mean, didn't it take David Parker pretty much all
of two terms to do.

Speaker 21 (01:11:33):
His one Well, the mistake they made was they kicked
it out to a judge lead panel Tony Randerson, and
a couple of experts. He Sue Rachel Brooking, who's now
the Labor Environment spokes Busin was one of the panel estates.
In about two years studying it, they produced this ginormous
Doorstop report, which they then spent a while studying. Then
they spent ages drafting it, and then lead it up

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with a seven hundred page piece of legislation which is
the exact same size as the current RMA. That took
five years, so we're really clear about what we're trying
to accomplish. We've agreed it to Captain's agreed on the
key principles. We've appointed these experts to fish it out
and then we're just going to get on with it.
And you know, I think that's what the public want.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Besh, Thank you man, really appreciate you turning up today
to talk to us. Have a nice weekend. That is
Chris Bishop, the RMA Reform Minister. Right twelve Plast six.
So this is the job. These are the jobs that
were in the Health New Zealand document that Health New
Zealand trying to pretend didn't exist, because of course they would.
Apparently they had these things called locality wayfinders. Those are

(01:12:35):
jobs locality wayfinders. And if you're like, well what's the
locality wayfinder, well don't worry because there is an explanation
for what they do. They are problem solvers, barrier removalists
and finders of the way through. According to the document, Anna,
I have no bloody idea. I don't know problem solvers.
I don't know what they are. I don't know. They

(01:12:56):
just seem like one of those people who just has
no real task, like so many people at Health New Zealand.
The Clinical Engagement leads also need to be expert pathway
designers and boundary spanners with hospital and specialist services. Yeah,
and they also have an implementation team. And within the

(01:13:16):
implementation team, I think I think we know what an
implementation team is. It's people who are hired to do
something because the rest of us obviously aren't. And people
who are employed there have job titles like storytelling, data wrangling,
and story collectors. And I don't know what kind of
stories start telling and what story collectors do. I have

(01:13:37):
no idea, but I feel like when they're finished working
for Health New Zealand, they can probably go work at
the Kindy because they love storytelling there also, and a
data wrangler feels like something that has kind of come
in from the paddock, do you know what I mean?
It's like he's just finished doing the cows and now
he's going to come do the data. Whatever happened to
just keeping I mean, whatever happened to just giving people

(01:13:58):
stock standard boring old corporate time. I know what you are.
You're a chief executive officer, cool, chief financial officer, got it,
know what that is? Accounts manager, kol done, marketing manager,
got you know what I mean? Like why Do you
know what if you want to know why they're not
getting around to operating on your knee, it's because they're
still trying to come up with really funky titles for

(01:14:19):
whoever is going to be your knee operator. For Jesus
where I don't know, fourteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather Duplicy
Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the
HR platform for SME on newstalksb.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Heather, I've worked with them. The job of those titles
is literally just to keep voting labor, is it. I
don't even see how that works anyway. Right now, it's
seventeen pass six. Barry Soper Ourse in Your Political Correspondent
is wrapping the political week that was Barry. Welcome back,
Thank you, Heather.

Speaker 8 (01:14:49):
Nice to be here again.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
Do you think David Farrah deserves the grief that he's
getting with his pole being labeled junk pole?

Speaker 8 (01:14:56):
Well, because it was much more positive for the center
right than what the tall bills hoole. Yeah. No, Look
I looked at both poles and I thought it's ridiculous.
One is a rogue the other, and from reading poles
over the years, I would put the Curier taxpayer's pole

(01:15:17):
more accurately than i'd place the Talbot pole. Frankly, and
the Courier poll it sees a bit of a hammering
for Chris Hopkins. I mean, he's down six point one
percent to twelve percent is preferred Prime minister. Christopher Luxon's
also down at almost two percent to thirty two percent.

(01:15:39):
That's not really high for a prime minister. It had
stage in the cycle. But nevertheless, Chris Hipkins, he's lost
an election. He's in the UK at the moment, he's
at the Labor Party conference in Liverpool, and some would say, listen,
maybe you're leaving the country at the wrong time, because
I'm sure there are tongues wagging in the Labor Party

(01:15:59):
at moment. But I would think if they were wise,
they would say, leave Chris Hopkins in the role that
he's got at the moment leader of the opposition. Let
him go and stand up against Chris Luxen at the
next election, let him lose because a one term government
is so rare in this country, and then take the
fall after the election. That's what I would do.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Even if you were really, really ambitious, you'd be stupid
to do it now, wouldn't it?

Speaker 8 (01:16:25):
Well, there have been plenty that have done it in
the past, Heather, And you know, you go back to
Mike Moore eight weeks out from an election. Then you
go to Jaina do it eight weeks out from an election,
became the Prime minister, but only because she was appointed
to the job and never won the election. So you
know there are risks. They're basically roundabouts in the poll

(01:16:46):
and where you stand in the pole going into an election.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
But even if you were really ambitious, you'd be stupid
to do it now, wouldn't it.

Speaker 8 (01:16:50):
I would say, absolutely silly to do it now? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Pretty good week I think for the government on crime right,
they managed if the gang laws the gang patch band through.
They managed to have the Labor Party saluting gang members
who have admitted committing pack rape. And they also managed
to get the court sentencing rules into parliament.

Speaker 8 (01:17:09):
Yeah, I think you know. On the gang patches, the
two big I guess arguing points for the opposition parties
was the being able to raid houses after you've displayed
your patch in public for three times within five years,
and the other was going around in cars displaying your

(01:17:29):
patches to the public. Through the car windows. Now you know,
apparently the cops. We're told the cops asked for this
because if they were going to enact this law on
gang insignia, then they had have these two elements to it. Well,
then you had the Labor Party talking about abuses of
human rights. These people, to me don't deserve human rights.

(01:17:52):
When you see the common chero's being raided and over
two hundred kilograms of methamphetamin being lifted from them, you
imagine the damage that that would have done in New Zealand.
It'll be replaced anyway, But anybody that takes meth is
you know, needs certifying because it's such a terrible drug.

(01:18:14):
But you know, I think the opposition parties have made
themselves look stupid in the way they've opposed this move
against the gangs, because if they read public opinion, if
they read it right, they would know that the majority
of the public are well and truly opposed to these
people being in our society.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Hey, earlier this week you were talking about that chap
from down South with the Maori Party who basically told
a porky in Parliament what's happened to him?

Speaker 8 (01:18:42):
Well, exactly the Takatu Ferres. He won the South Island
electorate Tea Titonga from the Turacartaney Party turricartany family who
have held it for seventy one of the ninety two
years the last and you know, so he is unexpected
to be in Parliament, and having listened to him the

(01:19:03):
other day, I think it's a pity he ever made
it into Parliament because what he did was he read
his speech, which you're not meant to do in parliament.
But clearly he hasn't got the INATEI intelligence to speak
off the cuff, and in reading it he talked about
politicians and how they're good at telling lies and said
that's exactly what we've got in the House today, or

(01:19:24):
words to that effect. Then he was pulled up by
our old mate Winston Peters, who said you can't say
that in parliament, and indeed you can't. The laws say,
the rules I should say of Parliament say that you're
not allowed to call an MP a liar. He just
did it, then stood up and said no, I didn't
do it. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
I mean he kind of proved the point that MP's
are liars.

Speaker 8 (01:19:48):
Ah well, he certainly proved it in his case. But
what happened ordinarily you would find there would be some
sort of censure against somebody that tells or misleads the
House and us waiting for it yesterday was on Wednesday.
I was waiting for it yesterday nothing. And I think
Winston Peters has been a big critic of the way

(01:20:09):
Parliament's going at the moment, and that's a classic example
loose of standards being dropped.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
It is a bit loose. Barry, thank you very much,
appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:20:16):
Nice talking to you.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
Hither.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Barry Soper, Senior political corresponding right. Peter Lewis is going
to be with us shortly because not only has China,
it's not the only interesting thing the fact that China's
raised the pension agers or something we've been talking about.
But another thing that we've been talking about is what
should happen with our Reserve Bank and how hard should
they go when they next meet in October. The Hong
Kong Monetary Authority just cut interest rates by fifty basis points,

(01:20:39):
So the feed's gone fifty. Hong Kong's gone fifty. We
got to go fifty, don't we?

Speaker 16 (01:20:44):
Six twenty three everything from SMEs sort of big corporates,
The Business Hour with Heather duper c Als and my
HR the HR solution for busy SMEs on news talksb interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
There seems to be increasing kind of clarity about what
happened with those pages in Lebanon that exploded the other day.
A New York Times report reckons they've got some intelligence briefing,
so obviously be like Allies or something, briefing and explaining
what's happened here. Apparently the exploding pages were manufactured by
an Israeli front company, and these guys even went to

(01:21:19):
the trouble of making normal pages and then shipping those
normal pages to other clients just so that they could
get the dodgy pages through to Hezbola. And apparently on
the day that they exploded, the pages bleaped with a
fake message from a Hezboula commander, and then they went silent,
and then they exploded. But that gap between the message

(01:21:40):
coming in and them exploding was just enough time for
the person with the pager to I don't know, take
it out of the bag or clip it from the
bouts or whatever, lifted up to the face to read
and then bang and ninety percent of the injuries that
they're treating in the medical care in Lebanon is double
injuries to the eyes and fingertips. So it seemed to
have worked exactly the way that they intend for it

(01:22:00):
to work. And it's not the first time. I mean, like,
it sounds pretty kooky and way out there, and I
guess given how what's incredible about it is how fast
they had to be able to make this happen, right
from February is when they started using the pages to now.
But it's not the first time that intelligence agencies have
managed to do something like this. Back in the days
of the Cold War, CIA and West German intelligence agencies

(01:22:23):
took over a business called Crypto. It was doing forty
percent of the World's embassy's diplomatic communications, so they knew
everything that was going on. Peter Lewis is going to
be with us very shortly. New stalks had been.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
The Business Hour with Heather duper Clan and my Hr
the HR solution for busy SMS on Newstalk zb.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Ever still screened that case. But damn Dred is with
us out of the UK shortly this was thisess with
Muhammed al Fayed is getting a little political because Kirstarma
is now being criticized for not having prosecuted Muhammad al
Fayed when he was a Crown prosecutor himself. We'll get
the latest with Gavin when he's with us here the

(01:23:16):
why can't the Speaker of the House just order Darlene
Tunna's resignation given she's no longer a member of the Greens, Well, Chrissy,
the answer is because in order for Brownlee to kick
her out of parliament, the Greens have to write to
him and say that they want her kicked out of parliament.
But in order for the Greens to do that, because
they're all about democracy, they have to have their meeting

(01:23:39):
and get their party to agree that that's what they
want to do. And they haven't had that meeting. And
I'm not sure they're going to have that meeting, because
they're only going to have that meeting if they're absolutely
sure they're going to get seventy five percent, which is
the number they need of their people, their delegates to
agree to it. And that's a high number. And I
just wonder whether the Greens are maybe a little split
on where the darre should be kicked out. You follow

(01:24:01):
what I'm saying. So Brownie can't do anything until the
Greens do something, and the Greens aren't going to do
anything until they have that meeting, and they're not going
to have that meeting under this shore they've got the numbers,
and I don't know that they've got the numbers. So
we might be stuck with Darling in the house asking
half questions for another what two years twenty three away
from seven either for the Lewis Asia Business correspondents with
us Hey, Peter, Hello Eva, Okay, do we know whether

(01:24:25):
this Japanese company was involved with the walkie talkies or not?

Speaker 26 (01:24:29):
Well, we don't know for sure. In fact, there's two companies.
There's a Japanese company and also a Taiwanese company in
the same position. What they're basically saying is that they
didn't actually make these walkie talkies. So Icon, the Japanese
radio equipment maker which makes these two way radio devices
which exploded in Lebanon this week, and then also a

(01:24:53):
very obscure Taiwanese company called gold Apollo, which made the
pages or supposedly made the pages that exploded in Leven
and both companies say that they didn't actually make them.
What they did was they licensed their trademark out to
another company. In the case of gold Apollo, they said
it was to a company in Hungary called BAC Consulting. Well,

(01:25:16):
no one has heard of this company either, and there
are investigations going on in Taiwan to try and find
out exactly what's been going on. It's not inconceivable that
this is true because the way a lot of Taiwanese
manufacturing works is it's a sort of a complex maze
of small companies, and many of them don't actually make

(01:25:40):
the products they sell. They may own the brand name,
the intellectual property, and have research and design departments, but
most of the actual manufacturing is farmed out to factories
in China or Southeast Asia. So this is one of
the things prosecutors in Japan and Taiwan are looking at.
But the question this all raises is just how secure

(01:26:03):
our global supply chains. If someone can intervene in the
supply chain process plant explosives in these devices, and we
don't know when or how exactly that happens, it does
raise a whole load of questions about the security of
supply chains that we've rather taken for granted.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
It really doesn't. Also, it also makes you wonder, how, like,
what information did the Israelis have as far back as
three years ago, because if they are if BAC Consulting
is just a front and they started taking over the
Pages business three years ago, that suggests that the Israelis
knew three years ago that these guys are going to
switch to Pages.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:26:41):
I mean, this is a very unusual way of sort
of prosecuting your campaign and your war against adversaries. It's
never really happened like this before at all, So you're right.
I mean, what did they know two or three years
ago that made them go and take these steps? And
it begs the question what else have they done that

(01:27:02):
we don't know about? Ye two?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
But Peter, listen, in terms of these two companies, Icon
and the Taiwanese Pager Company, what does this do to
their reputation? I mean, they can say, look, we had
absolutely nothing to do with this, But I don't know
how much that's going to reassure people. What do you
think it doesn't?

Speaker 26 (01:27:20):
And that you can tell by the desperate lengths that
the chairman of these two companies are going to to
try and deny any involvements in its gold. Apollos founder
flatly denies having anything to do with the attacks, even
though the markings on the remnants of the exploded pages

(01:27:40):
do actually identify the company, but he says it's just
licensed his trademark out. So they are pleading innocents here
because obviously it is very damaging to their business and
to many other companies businesses who do similar types of
things as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Yeah, it's going to be hard for them to get
through this one, I'd imagine. Now, why is the monetary
authority in Hong Kong, what's the justification for cutting the
cash rate by fifty basis points.

Speaker 26 (01:28:07):
Well, the Hong Kong dollar is linked to the peg
to the US dollar. It has been since the beginning
of the nineteen eighties, so we basically import the Fed's
monetary policy in Hong Kong were dollarized economy. Whatever the
FED does, the Hong Kong Monetary Authority has to go
and mirror that.

Speaker 5 (01:28:26):
Now.

Speaker 26 (01:28:27):
In fact, in recent years this has not been very
good for Hong Kong because the last thing the Hong
Kong economy needs, which is really struggling, particularly in the
wake of China is high interest rates. It needs to
have interest rates much lower compared to the US, where
the economy is doing pretty well. Even though it's slowing,

(01:28:48):
it's still looking like it's going to have a soft
landing and avoid a recession. The Hong Kong economy is
really struggling in all sorts of ways. Consumer spending is
very poor. The leisure and hospitality buszinesses are struggling very
badly because tourists aren't coming to Hong Kong and local
people prefer now to go over the border to Shenzen,

(01:29:09):
where it's very easy to travel. There's direct trains that
take just half an hour, and you can stay in
a hotel in Shenzen for a quarter of the price
you would pay in Hong Kong. So it's not encouraging
people to either come here, and it is encouraging locals
to go to mainland China and spend their money. So
this is really something that the Hong Kong economy needs.

(01:29:30):
It needs lower interest rates at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Brilliant stuff, Peter, It's always good to talk to you mate.
Look after yourself. We'll chat to you gain in a week.
That's Peter Lewis our Asia Business correspondent out of Hong Kong. Now,
China's raising its retirement agents, doing it for the first
time in almost fifty years, so it'shashire fifty years was
seventy eight was the last time they did it. The
statutory retirement age for women who work in factories will
go from fifty a how good retired at fifty to

(01:29:56):
fifty five. Women who work in white collegejob fifty five
to fifty eight. Men who I think it's just been
across the board will see an increase from retirement age
of sixty right now to sixty three. Now, you can't
retire before the retirement age. You have to keep working
until that date, which is a bit hard out, isn't it.
I mean, what if you're really rich and you're like,
I don't want to work anymore, nut you've got to

(01:30:17):
keep going. And also, people can delay their retirement by
no more than three years, So you might be fifty
five years old getting to fifty eight, and you might
still be working your factory, happy as a clam, wanting
to continue. You can't. That's it. They decide what you
do with your life seventeen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
It's Heather duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to
my HR, the HR solution for busy smmys on news
Talks FBI.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Heather Chrissy is gobsmack. Darlene will be grinning like a
rat with a chunk of cheese. Well absolutely, and the
chunk of cheese will be the cash as she's getting
for sitting there doing the mahe on the coastal stuff.
Fourteen away from seven Gavin Gray, a UK correspondents with
us Hey Kevin, Hi there Haavah. So this Mohammed al
Fayed scandal's gone political now, hasn't it?

Speaker 27 (01:31:04):
Yeah, it sure has so. Documentary last night suggesting that
Muhammad alp who ran Harrod's for a number of years
and owned it, is being accused of raping and sexually
assaulting a number of his staff. This has only just
come to light and it has spawned this documentary. A
number of other people now coming forward who used to

(01:31:27):
work at Harris who say they too were attacked by him. Now,
Muhammad Afai had died last year at the age of
ninety four. The allegations are that he raped and sexually
assaulted some staff. He of course, is pretty well known
in his own right here in the UK, but perhaps
internationally better known because his son was Dodie Alphayed, who
was killed at the car crash alongside Diana, Princess of

(01:31:47):
Wales back in nineteen ninety seven. Now the implications are
more widespread because securestam Our Prime Minister was at the
time of some of what was going on, allegedly was
the chief prosecutor. And in two thousand and eight al
Fayed was interviewed under caution when a fifteen year old
girl a claimed that she had been sexually assaulted at

(01:32:10):
the store by him. Now, you're not supposed to start
work at this country until you or sixteen, but she
says that she met him once and he basically made
it possible for her to start work, but not to
tell anyone how old she was. Anyway, we're hearing from
Downing Street that Sekist Armer had nothing to do with
the decision not to go ahead with any type of prosecution.

(01:32:32):
It simply didn't cross his desk, and Downing Street says
he had no involvement in that decision. Of course, Sirkis
Starmer's offices also failed to prosecute Sir Jimmy Savort, and
plenty of saying this looks very bad on our prime minister.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
So he's not having an easy time, maybe because he's
got quite quite refined taste, doesn't he he does.

Speaker 27 (01:32:55):
Indeed, perhaps he should shot at Harold's, which incidentally is
saying that it has been docked and utterly appalled by
these victims, and says it now has processes in place.
But yes, Sakis Starmer has been getting shall I say,
rather handy with the freebies, in other words, things being
given free. So some of the things he's been given
are roughly forty two thousand pounds for accommodation. This is

(01:33:17):
in the last year, thirty four thousand dollars in clothes,
multiple pairs of glasses worth over five thousand dollars, and
also Taylor Swift concert tickets worth around eight thousand New
Zealand dollars in total one hundred and thirty five thousand
New Zealand dollars over the last year. But the biggest
thing seems to be his love of Arsenal Football Club. Now,

(01:33:39):
to be fair to him, he does have a season ticket.
In other words, he is a member and used to
attend regularly with his son. However, he says he can
no longer sit in the stands. He's been warned is
not secure. So he's had to take corporate response, a
corporate entertainment as it were. But that is very, very expensive,

(01:34:01):
and it's said just over twenty six thousand New Zealand
dollars worth of tickets so far, and plenty of people
saying they don't buy this line about needing to be
more secure and not sit in the stamp, not at all.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
And it's a terrible look for a Labor Party leader
in particular. Eight Listen on something and completely different. Why
are people making voluntary donations to the text men?

Speaker 27 (01:34:21):
Well, I quite like this idea. I'm not saying I'm
going to do it, Heather, I haven't got the money maybe,
but you know it is quite nice. So over the
past two decades, one hundred and fifty three donations have
been made to the government. In other words, people who
in their will specify money of theirs going to the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. It's boasted the national accounts by

(01:34:41):
more than ten million New Zealand dollars since two thousand
and three. That's equivalent to point zero zero zero zero
four percent of total government spending this year. Of course,
it's a small amount in that respect, but it is
quite a sizable amount. And already this year eighteen people
have handed over about one zero point four million New

(01:35:02):
Zealand dollars without the taxman even asking for it. So
if you're wondering who to help out, go on give
it to the government, because they know how to spend,
don't they.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Just Hey, thank you so much, Gavin, the GUFT your stuff,
enjoy your weekend. That's Gavin Gray, are UK correspondent. Now,
apparently we are doing very well with ice cream exports
for some reasons. For some reason, the Chinese in particular,
but also the Aussies love our ice cream and they're
going hard at the moment. Last year we exported fifty
seven million US dollars worth and that was twice what

(01:35:32):
it was in twenty seventeen. Now, in terms of exports,
that's not massive, right. But the guy who owns much
more ice cream I think his name is Marcus Moore.
He reckons the industry could easily grow fivefold in the
coming years and one day may even as be as
big as wine experts, which I think a couple of
years ago were worth way more than two billion dollars.
So you can see I mean he thinks, I mean,

(01:35:52):
he would say that right because that's his business. But
he sees that there is heaps of growth potential there.
It's pretty hard. Heap, by the way, is the fifth
largest online ice cream supplier in China, which is quite
a thing. I mean, fifth largest online supplier anyway, and
that was that got a population of like one point
four billion or something. Okay, anyway, hard to do though,

(01:36:14):
hard business to get into because you can't get their
ice cream melt at all, like at all, otherwise you
can't sell it. So what you have to do is
that these guys are much more. They loaded into they
load about twenty thousand two liter tubs into a forty
foot container. They freeze it at minus twenty five. They
send it off to wear whichever port that's going to
go to, let's say Shanghai, and then they put onto

(01:36:35):
palettes once they get there, and they sent to various
distribution centers and they sit at the distribution centers waiting
for the online retailers to sell it to someone. When
somebody buys it then it's sent on dry ice to
the front door. How good is away from seven?

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
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It's six away from seven. Now there is a story
out today. Somebody's done the numbers and there are more
men named Mark running listed companies in this country than
women running listed companies. There are nine Marks and there
are only six women. The marks a Mark Freeman at
the Australian Foundation Investment Company, Mark Francis at Asset Plus,

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Mark Oware at Chorus, Mark Heine at e Road, Mark
Trowaer at Free Freightways, Mark Turnbullet Foley Wines, Mark Winter
at My Food Bag, Mark Peterson at the ins ofex
of Mark Malpass at Steel and Tube. There had been ten,
but Mark Lucas, thank god, thank God, who was chief
executive at Canna South resigned whose otherwise there would have
been ten of them up against six ladies. The sixth

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ladies are Carrie her to hung Anue at Auckland International Airport,
Rachel Newfield of green Cross healths Rosie Mercer at Marsden
Maritime Holdings, Suzanne Vorak at Oceania, Sophie Maloney's sky TV,
and Jolie Hodson at Spark. However, it's not as bad
as it looks. Naomi James going to start a rhyme
and health soon and then the West Back and A
and Z chief executives, both ladies. But you know they

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they are listed through think through the eighty six or what,
but anyway, I don't really know. In mind, they're not counted.
As well as having nine Marks, there are also six
Davids and six Michaels. Now what you're supposed to do
at this point is be shocked. You're supposed to be like, oh,
how very dare how very dare the misogynists in these

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companies appoint that many men who have the same name
over women, Like well, this is do you know what
I did not do that. I looked at it and went,
why were you all naming your children Mark at the
same time? Like what's going on here? And then also
David's and Michaels And this is certain. I mean, we're
talking about a particular age group here, aren't We're talking
about sort of like I would say, probably on average,

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for I don't want to be unfair to these guys,
but probably like fifty pass fifty to seventy. So for
about twenty years there, everybody was naming their child Mark.
Now that I'm always baffled by that. I mean I
think that I'm always baffled when when you have somebody
has a baby and they're like they can twenty twenty four?
Am I to call it Daniel? Why why are you
calling it the same name that everybody's had? That's weird

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to me? Is it weird to you?

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
Andy? Well?

Speaker 11 (01:39:13):
Yeah kind of?

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
But I mean, what are your babies names?

Speaker 11 (01:39:15):
Ava and Edison?

Speaker 27 (01:39:17):
See?

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
Look how creative you got?

Speaker 11 (01:39:19):
Is that creative?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
I think that's creative. I think maybe there'll be a
crossover with a few Avas at the moment, But I
don't think that that's great.

Speaker 11 (01:39:25):
I don't think quite timeless names.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Had you gone for a Lily.

Speaker 11 (01:39:30):
Or a Luca?

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
I mean we were talking about you having a sort
of like a yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:39:35):
Yeah, well there's those really cute see names as well.
Ou't there like a Lola and a Laila and all
those year old a Lola coming into the you know,
you can't hope.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Seriously, I was at the doctors when when when the
little one had croup some time ago, and there was
a one called California.

Speaker 11 (01:39:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like Denver and Austin and all that. Yeah,
they're quite cool.

Speaker 28 (01:39:55):
Yeah, Okay, tonight we go do a leaper. She's added
a second show to her tour here in New Zealand,
the Radical Optimism Tour, which is quite cool. She's got
a second show on the Friday now, on the fourth
of April. Tickets are on sale now, so that's her.
Luke Holmb's Metallica said they're possibly coming. I think we're
getting some business back in the town, an't.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
It's good goodness? But the problem is how many of
these people do it? And I don't think the ones
at Eton Park are going to cancel, but some of
them announced shows them they cancel. That really just gets
them a good.

Speaker 11 (01:40:22):
I don't think it will cancel, and I don't think
Metallica will cancel.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
No, I think it'll be all gad has Metallica even announced?

Speaker 11 (01:40:27):
Yeah, pretty much. They confirmed it today.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
Oh cool, Okay, thank you for that. All right, enjoy
your week. You'd see you next week.

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