September 24, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Auckland Councillor Richard Hills and Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Green Party is set to meet to discuss Darleen Tana's fate on October 17th. Why has it taken this long to reach a possible solution? Is this hurting their political numbers?
Should Auckland Council follow Wellington's lead and require workers to get back to the office? Heart of the City head Viv Beck is urging people to get out and boost the city's businesses - does Auckland CBD need the help?
It's been a day since Philip Polkinghorne was found not guilty of murdering Pauline Hanna - would things have been different if Madison Ashton had turned up to testify?
Andrew Coster is set to lead the Government's new Social Investment Agency after he steps down as Police Commissioner- what do we make of this? Is this a good idea?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no, ohther mater.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
With me this evening. Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute
in Richard Hill's Auckland councilor hello you too, hey there,
do you think Richard they should just give it up
because the old mates thinking about appealing?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh? How annoying is this process? Just what could jump
her out of here?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Like?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But they can't because democracy and it's the Greens I know.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But what is she going to do for the next
two years? Sit there and just be.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
An appeal and just reappeal and just reappeal.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It seems ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, but if you were in this and listen, you're
a politician, Yes, if you were in this position, what
would you do?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Which position?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This position where Darleene is screwing you in public?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I would just if you were Chloe, find a new
lawyer to say they should not be in parliament. I
mean then she's not in the Green Party anymore and
people voted for the Green Party for MP's and she's not.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So would you So at this point you become slightly
dictatorial and you say nevermind democracy we're just going to
walk a jumper.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
No, I think the issue is relationships and apparently that
she didn't say the right, true ful things. It's not
about disagreeing on a policy. If it was about a
policy or something.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Else, Richard. So, yes, they can walk a jumper, but
now they are always wanting to go to their delegates,
and in the three weeks before they go to their delegates,
she appeals again, what do you think, Tim, what should
they because if you look at the polls, Mate, when
Chloe took over, they were sitting fourteen fifteen in the polls,
they're now sitting ten and eleven. Because Darlene is hurting them.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think a few things are hurting them.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
But I've got to say I'm heartened if I hear
the Greens leader talking about Sun Sou, free speech and accountability.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Those are fantastic. Those are fantastic concepts.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Let's embrace them and look, I think right, but I
think in terms of in terms of the way that
people are going to respond to it. If they do,
if they can go through this process, You've already seen
the Pacifica Greens leave and if there's declining support, I
do feel like they're cannibalizing their own interior in some ways,
(02:08):
so it's super problematic. I think they do have to
do it in public. They do have to get the
seventy five percent. Sure, she can get a lawyer, but
she'll be increasingly isolated and perhaps they'll be able to
gather gather some momentum. But again the issue, I think
there's a deeper issue there with how Pacifica people feel
like they've been treated by that quote unquote democracy.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, they're not loving a day hey, or you guys,
you Richard. Auckland Council are going to send the Auckland
Council workers back in five days a week.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So I saw Verbeck asking and I'm hoping she's talking
to all her members, not just Auckland Council. So I
hear a lot of the buildings around the city center
are empty or not very full. But with Auckland Council
we have about eighty eight percent. Last month in the
city center building was full. I think Monaco was one
hundred and seven percent averaging. And the sized, Yeah, we've
(03:01):
downsized sized and manacau With downsized as a city.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Now you downsized your floor size and manecaw for Auckland Council.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No, with downsized as a city. We're saving about thirty
four million dollars by downsizing office spaces. We've moved the
CEOs into our building things like that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So there is why it's full because you've reduced the
floor space.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Isn't there Well, a little bit of that. But also
we have our staffriend libraries, leisure centers working nights. Yeah,
there's it's not like a perfect system of.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Okay, what about I'm talking about the dudes at the desks.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
The building is like eighty eight percent fil last month,
and the Monaco Albany are all about eighty ninety percent.
So people are working from the office. But there's still
ability to have flexibility for parents for whatever reason. And
I talked to the CEO today and he said they're
having no issues with productivity or they don't believe anyone's
like taking advantage. It's actually helped people come back to
(03:54):
the office earlier if they have that choice, because they're
able to have a bit more flexibility coming fewer days.
So but largely, to be honest, I'm there almost every
day because I like, I prefer it. Most councilors are
not in every day and most of the floors are full,
the cafe is full. That elevators trying to get up
if you're in a rush is a bit of a
(04:14):
mission sometimes. So I'm not seeing an issue from our building.
But if the BECK wants to talk to all of
their members, if that's an issue. But I don't think
it's also up to Auckland Council organ council staff to
go out and buy you know, only Akan Council's responsibility
to buy stuff in the city center.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
No, No, it's about leadership and setting an example if thin
because where she was going, Tim, I want your take
on it. We'll get it after the break. It's fourteen
away from six the.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the marketing
of your home.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Right, you're back with the Huddle Richard Hill's and Tim Wilson. Tim,
what do you reckon about Auckland Council sending the staff
back in?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, Look, I think what we do at maxim As
we do four days and at work and one day
flexi on a Friday. And I think it's all about productivity,
isn't it. It's like, how do people actually produce the
most in this at work? Is it at home or
is it in the office? And some studies say it's
at home, some studies say it's What's what I thought
(05:10):
was really interesting And one of the things I read
was that workers aren't very good at assessing where they're
the most productive. So it's something the CEOs are saying
they're productive. Then that's positive.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I do.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I do think though, that accountability is a big issue.
And I've heard someone someone who sort of two steps removed,
went in as a manager and found that people were
doing ten minutes work and billing for an hour.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So you've got to cut that sort of stuff out,
like you know, I think. Look, I say, you know what,
come in three.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Days a week, but make it easier to sack people
who aren't performing.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
That's the way forward.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's true. Why do you do a Friday though? Why
don't you do FLEXI on a Wednesday?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
What's what's wrong? What's wrong with well? Wednesday?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Wednesdays the day when you've got to grit it out, Heather,
that's hunt days.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Friday is obviously spending spending time in your car driving
to the corimandel, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
No, No, we operate a high trust environment at Maximustitute.
I know they're not driving to the Corimandel because I've
got ankle bracelets with a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It makes absolute sense. Do you think, Richard, that Madison
Ashton the mistress prostitute? Had she appeared, I mean, isn't
that just so salacious? Had she appeared in court, would
she have changed the jury's mind?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I think I might be one of the only people
in New Zealand who has not read or what followed
this at all.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Because I'm very busy and it seemed like bold.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Enough, and because it's good. It's good for it's good
for you. Richard, don't follow the details.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
You're actually a more cheerful, optimistic and hopeful person because
you don't know the details.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Did you not follow it?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It sounded wild?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I just know I deliberately avoided it, to be honest.
I don't want to sit there drawling like some for
you about the sexual incontinence, the sadness and the fragility
of the rich and miserable.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
No, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh you've shamed us now, Tim there's no coming back.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
I can't even disgust. But could I say that in
a funny way.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Can you try?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Is that I do imagine if the offensive pole did
get hurt too, it would have blown up into this
even bigger, ridiculous spectacle. And it does seem odd that
it was. I think it's like a podcast and everything now, but.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh is it a podcast. It's multiple podcasts, so you
just show how little it's multiple Holy Hannah. Hey, okay,
listen tim on Andrew Costa, do you have any concerns
about the fact that he quite clearly has been given
a sweet job to leave the job that we don't
want him in anymore.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Look, maybe I'm a bit nate, but I think he's
He's proved a great deal of leadership within the police.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It probably goes back to as my understanding is that
the police commissioner pretty much has to execute what the
government determines his policy.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
So under under Labor, he did what they what they wanted.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I actually think he showed leadership during the parliamentary protest, yes,
because he went and engaged with the protesters, which is
something that almost no one in our political class.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
If you don't move you, I'm going to tell your
cars today and then the next day he'd be like no,
I really.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Mean I did hear that.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I didn't hear that. But he's also here's the deal.
He's also locked up common chieros. So if he can
work with both sides of the House, he's going to
be awesome on this role.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I actually think he is going to be good in
this role Richard, because I think this is as will happen.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He has a really good and this is the problem
with politicians when they're campaigning either side bagging the public servants.
Because we're not like America where we switch all the
public servants out tomorrow, sweep them all out.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
They're actually got to work with them.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Whoops, Like I'm elected now and I have to deal
with these people. I've been dashing every day. So I
think the issue is it's good in New Zealand and
we have this continuity. We have these people that can
work with either side. But it does come back when
you see Mark Mitchell like sort of red face when
they're asking him in those first few months, like do
you hate Andrew Cossen. They're like, no, he's actually a
very fine man, you know, because they don't have a
choice now because ministerial rules are different to opposition rules
(09:03):
and so it's a bit of theater, it's a bit
of campaigning, but it is a good lesson for the
next election or the following elections that people just need
to think about what this is.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Don smack talk, guys, it's really lovely. Chat to the
pair of you. Thank you. Tim Wilson of the Maximu
Institute and Richard Hill's Auckland Councilors. Seven Away from six
Speaker 1 (09:19):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, Listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no, ohther mater.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
With me this evening. Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute
in Richard Hill's Auckland councilor hello you too, hey there,
do you think Richard they should just give it up
because the old mates thinking about appealing?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Oh? How annoying is this process? Just what could jump
her out of here?
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Like?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But they can't because democracy and it's the Greens I know.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But what is she going to do for the next
two years? Sit there and just be.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
An appeal and just reappeal and just reappeal.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It seems ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, but if you were in this and listen, you're
a politician, Yes, if you were in this position, what
would you do?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Which position?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This position where Darleene is screwing you in public?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I would just if you were Chloe, find a new
lawyer to say they should not be in parliament. I
mean then she's not in the Green Party anymore and
people voted for the Green Party for MP's and she's not.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So would you So at this point you become slightly
dictatorial and you say nevermind democracy we're just going to
walk a jumper.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
No, I think the issue is relationships and apparently that
she didn't say the right, true ful things. It's not
about disagreeing on a policy. If it was about a
policy or something.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Else, Richard. So, yes, they can walk a jumper, but
now they are always wanting to go to their delegates,
and in the three weeks before they go to their delegates,
she appeals again, what do you think, Tim, what should
they because if you look at the polls, Mate, when
Chloe took over, they were sitting fourteen fifteen in the polls,
they're now sitting ten and eleven. Because Darlene is hurting them.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think a few things are hurting them.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
But I've got to say I'm heartened if I hear
the Greens leader talking about Sun Sou, free speech and accountability.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Those are fantastic. Those are fantastic concepts.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Let's embrace them and look, I think right, but I
think in terms of in terms of the way that
people are going to respond to it. If they do,
if they can go through this process, You've already seen
the Pacifica Greens leave and if there's declining support, I
do feel like they're cannibalizing their own interior in some ways,
(02:08):
so it's super problematic. I think they do have to
do it in public. They do have to get the
seventy five percent. Sure, she can get a lawyer, but
she'll be increasingly isolated and perhaps they'll be able to
gather gather some momentum. But again the issue, I think
there's a deeper issue there with how Pacifica people feel
like they've been treated by that quote unquote democracy.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, they're not loving a day hey, or you guys,
you Richard. Auckland Council are going to send the Auckland
Council workers back in five days a week.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So I saw Verbeck asking and I'm hoping she's talking
to all her members, not just Auckland Council. So I
hear a lot of the buildings around the city center
are empty or not very full. But with Auckland Council
we have about eighty eight percent. Last month in the
city center building was full. I think Monaco was one
hundred and seven percent averaging. And the sized, Yeah, we've
(03:01):
downsized sized and manacau With downsized as a city.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Now you downsized your floor size and manecaw for Auckland Council.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No, with downsized as a city. We're saving about thirty
four million dollars by downsizing office spaces. We've moved the
CEOs into our building things like that.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So there is why it's full because you've reduced the
floor space.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Isn't there Well, a little bit of that. But also
we have our staffriend libraries, leisure centers working nights. Yeah,
there's it's not like a perfect system of.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Okay, what about I'm talking about the dudes at the desks.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
The building is like eighty eight percent fil last month,
and the Monaco Albany are all about eighty ninety percent.
So people are working from the office. But there's still
ability to have flexibility for parents for whatever reason. And
I talked to the CEO today and he said they're
having no issues with productivity or they don't believe anyone's
like taking advantage. It's actually helped people come back to
(03:54):
the office earlier if they have that choice, because they're
able to have a bit more flexibility coming fewer days.
So but largely, to be honest, I'm there almost every
day because I like, I prefer it. Most councilors are
not in every day and most of the floors are full,
the cafe is full. That elevators trying to get up
if you're in a rush is a bit of a
(04:14):
mission sometimes. So I'm not seeing an issue from our building.
But if the BECK wants to talk to all of
their members, if that's an issue. But I don't think
it's also up to Auckland Council organ council staff to
go out and buy you know, only Akan Council's responsibility
to buy stuff in the city center.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
No, No, it's about leadership and setting an example if thin
because where she was going, Tim, I want your take
on it. We'll get it after the break. It's fourteen
away from six the.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the marketing
of your home.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Right, you're back with the Huddle Richard Hill's and Tim Wilson. Tim,
what do you reckon about Auckland Council sending the staff
back in?
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, Look, I think what we do at maxim As
we do four days and at work and one day
flexi on a Friday. And I think it's all about productivity,
isn't it. It's like, how do people actually produce the
most in this at work? Is it at home or
is it in the office? And some studies say it's
at home, some studies say it's What's what I thought
(05:10):
was really interesting And one of the things I read
was that workers aren't very good at assessing where they're
the most productive. So it's something the CEOs are saying
they're productive. Then that's positive.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I do.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
I do think though, that accountability is a big issue.
And I've heard someone someone who sort of two steps removed,
went in as a manager and found that people were
doing ten minutes work and billing for an hour.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
So you've got to cut that sort of stuff out,
like you know, I think. Look, I say, you know what,
come in three.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Days a week, but make it easier to sack people
who aren't performing.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
That's the way forward.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
That's true. Why do you do a Friday though? Why
don't you do FLEXI on a Wednesday?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
What's what's wrong? What's wrong with well? Wednesday?
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Wednesdays the day when you've got to grit it out, Heather,
that's hunt days.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Friday is obviously spending spending time in your car driving
to the corimandel, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
No, No, we operate a high trust environment at Maximustitute.
I know they're not driving to the Corimandel because I've
got ankle bracelets with a lot of them.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It makes absolute sense. Do you think, Richard, that Madison
Ashton the mistress prostitute? Had she appeared, I mean, isn't
that just so salacious? Had she appeared in court, would
she have changed the jury's mind?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I think I might be one of the only people
in New Zealand who has not read or what followed
this at all.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Because I'm very busy and it seemed like bold.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Enough, and because it's good. It's good for it's good
for you. Richard, don't follow the details.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
You're actually a more cheerful, optimistic and hopeful person because
you don't know the details.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Did you not follow it?
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It sounded wild?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I just know I deliberately avoided it, to be honest.
I don't want to sit there drawling like some for
you about the sexual incontinence, the sadness and the fragility
of the rich and miserable.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
No, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Oh you've shamed us now, Tim there's no coming back.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
I can't even disgust. But could I say that in
a funny way.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Can you try?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Is that I do imagine if the offensive pole did
get hurt too, it would have blown up into this
even bigger, ridiculous spectacle. And it does seem odd that
it was. I think it's like a podcast and everything now, but.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh is it a podcast. It's multiple podcasts, so you
just show how little it's multiple Holy Hannah. Hey, okay,
listen tim on Andrew Costa, do you have any concerns
about the fact that he quite clearly has been given
a sweet job to leave the job that we don't
want him in anymore.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Look, maybe I'm a bit nate, but I think he's
He's proved a great deal of leadership within the police.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It probably goes back to as my understanding is that
the police commissioner pretty much has to execute what the
government determines his policy.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
So under under Labor, he did what they what they wanted.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I actually think he showed leadership during the parliamentary protest, yes,
because he went and engaged with the protesters, which is
something that almost no one in our political class.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
If you don't move you, I'm going to tell your
cars today and then the next day he'd be like no,
I really.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Mean I did hear that.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I didn't hear that. But he's also here's the deal.
He's also locked up common chieros. So if he can
work with both sides of the House, he's going to
be awesome on this role.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I actually think he is going to be good in
this role Richard, because I think this is as will happen.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He has a really good and this is the problem
with politicians when they're campaigning either side bagging the public servants.
Because we're not like America where we switch all the
public servants out tomorrow, sweep them all out.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
They're actually got to work with them.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Whoops, Like I'm elected now and I have to deal
with these people. I've been dashing every day. So I
think the issue is it's good in New Zealand and
we have this continuity. We have these people that can
work with either side. But it does come back when
you see Mark Mitchell like sort of red face when
they're asking him in those first few months, like do
you hate Andrew Cossen. They're like, no, he's actually a
very fine man, you know, because they don't have a
choice now because ministerial rules are different to opposition rules
(09:03):
and so it's a bit of theater, it's a bit
of campaigning, but it is a good lesson for the
next election or the following elections that people just need
to think about what this is.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Don smack talk, guys, it's really lovely. Chat to the
pair of you. Thank you. Tim Wilson of the Maximu
Institute and Richard Hill's Auckland Councilors. Seven Away from six
Speaker 1 (09:19):
For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, Listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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