October 1, 2024 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Ali Jones from Red PR and Phil O'Reilly from Iron Duke Partners joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
New research shows more young men are feeling pressured to start using steroids and other illegal enhancers to keep up with body image pressures. How concerning is this?
Prime Minister Chris Luxon is on the defensive after selling his Wellington apartment - and claimed he won't apologise for his success. Is this response justified?
ACC has received 128 claims for fall-related injuries from Croc wearers so far this year, costing nearly $64,000. What do we make of this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The Huddle this Evening Philo Riley, Iron Duke Partners and
former Boss of Business New Zealand and Alie Jones from
Red PRK. Elder Cordawa, Jall, hey, Pphil, do you reckon
this is something that we overlook when we think about
you know, body I magicians affecting young people. A lot
of the focuses on young women. But do you think
this is something that perhaps has been a little overlooked.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh, you're absolutely right, Jack. There's always been a bit
of this, and one I remember living in Sydney, you know,
twenty five thirty years ago, in some gyms in Sydney
there was I think called roid rage, you know, where
the steroids were in use to they get these mood
changes and so on. But of course it was a
very niche thing. And what's happened is the emeritus professor
there is absolutely right. What's happening is actually social media.
(00:47):
He mentioned movies and stuff as not movies. It's social media.
It's Instagram, it's TikTok, it's Facebook, it's the kinds of
these the kinds of social media outlets that the young
people are using these days, and that is causing some
of these problems as well as other social changes. You
know that the kids aren't be allowed out to play
in the park and so on, so they stay inside
and watch social media and so on. So there's a
(01:08):
real issue here about the popularization of this these body images.
And you're absolutely right. We concentrate a lot on young
women and that's entirely appropriate. We do that because there's
some real risks there. But we're also needing to have
a look at young men because they've got similar and
also different issues associated with the social media issue. And
so I think we need to as a nation ever
(01:28):
think about this. And yeah, banning cell phones from schools
is just one good step.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh you see, I'm one hundred percent with you on this. Well,
I just I can't understand the opposition to cell phones
and schools. And I know that maybe it seems a
bit trite and easy allly just to blame social media
for these kind of trends, But it seems so obviously
as surely social media is having a negative impact.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well, of course it is. I mean, I'm in my fifties.
Our kids are now sort of in their twenties. But
I've got a girlfriend who works at a high school
in christ Church and she is saying that a lot
of the stuff that they're seeing in the kids, the anxiety,
the second guessing, the body image stuff is all related
to social media. What I really liked that I heard
(02:09):
from the professor then was he mentioned women, And I
think that's really important and filtered too, and it shouldn't
be a competition, right, But you know, women have been
dealing with this for decades and decades and in fact,
there isn't the health support around this for women and
we need to. I mean, young women are being sent
home in christ Church to die and I know that
(02:32):
I'm not just making that up, but they cannot look
after them. They're sending them home to die. So I
think there needs to be a public information campaign. It
needs to get into schools, you know, to hear those
things that he was talking about, anxiety, mental health, impotence, fertility, cancer, man,
get it into the schools and start saying is it
worth this?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah? All right, guys, I'm going to get your thoughts
on the Prime Minister's comments today in a couple of minutes,
plus news that crocs are apparently causing US hundreds of thousands,
if not millions of dollars in health claims every year.
Ali Jones and Phil O'Riley on the Huddle right now
at sixteen to six.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And you're back with the huddlers. Phil O'Riley I and
Duke Partner's former boss of Business New Zealand and Ali
Jones from Red PR. So, Ali, what do you make
of the Prime Minister's response to the scrutiny or attention
over the sale of his properties.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
He's out of touch. He is absolutely out of touch.
It is not about resenting his wealth or someone who's successful.
I do think we have a tall poppy problem in
New Zealand, but you know you have to point the
finger where it's correct to do so. I think it's
about what's reasonable and what is not reasonable. And I
think what is not reasonable in this case is that
someone makes that amount of money from selling a house
(03:47):
which is essentially income and isn't taxed, and yet everyone
else earning twenty K, twenty five K, thirty K, fifty
k whatever they are taxed for their income. Now, if
Christopher Luxen and others can't see that they should be
taxed for making that, well, making any money from the
sale of a property, they're out of touch, completely out
(04:08):
of touch.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, I don't think they're out of touch with a
lot of our listeners, because I know that a lot
of people will support Christopher luxe in this position. But
I don't know. In my view, it's a question of fairness.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
What do you think, Phil, Well, of course we're going
to have the Prime minister. Where is the proxy for
this debate that the left appears to want to continue
or game text with what we want to charge them
all wealth tax too so soon. It's just we're using
them as a proxy for a wider debate, and that's
entirely appropriate. That's I understand. He's the Prime minister. Here's
the danger, Jack, Yes, other people will be listening to
(04:39):
all of that and seeing that, seeing the stuff. He's young,
so whether he's handling it well or not, and I'll
be saying, gee, I'm not sure I want to stand
for political office if this is going to go on
about my personal affairs. So we just need to be
a bit cautious about this kind of gotcha politics around
politicians off left all the right, and because all it
does is it says less good people will stand up
and say, you know, I'll stand for parliament, I'll make
a contribution. And that's what he said he was trying
(05:00):
to do. By the way, he didn't make his money
through his parents or anything else, made it himself. And
we should be celebrating that in New Zealand and not
turning it into a bit of a you know, a
cat call about the texts.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I think that's that's not fair. Now I'm going to
jump in here. That is not fair when you've got
someone who's making over two hundred k on the sale
of a property, and this is someone who's quite happy
to tax New Zealanders who are struggling earning money.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I think, as you said before, Jack, look gave a
tax cut.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, but it doesn't work. He gives us mates a
tax cut.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Phil.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
What he needs to understand is that what he's making
on selling a property and what everyone else is is
essentially income. Why should he be any different to anyone
else making income.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I have the debate about capital gains tax. Don't need
to pull luctionin into it's my point. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So, Phil, just on your point though, like, don't you
think as Prime Minister, given like tax policies so central
to central government politics and central to his role, don't
you think it is kind of really important that it
actually we do look at tax policy through the leans
of his own experience.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah. Sure, I mean I say he's promister, he's a
big boy. You can stand up for it, and he
did today with doing a good job down to people
to judge. My point is we need to make sure
that we don't just jump all over politicians of the
left all the right. I've seen this happened to politicians
of the left and the rights using personal circumstances to
really have a red hot go and what we what
we'll see is good people will say that public life
(06:28):
is not for me, and that's a bad thing for
our democracy. So we should just be cautious about overdoing
this and turning on I think he's a big.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Boy, Phil, I think he's a big boy. If he
can't manage that, he shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He might be, but others might not be. They might
be thinking I don't want to into political life.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, I don't want to have my own affairs affairs. Yeah, Hey, Phil,
are you a Crocs kind of guy?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Mate? I have banned two types of shoes in my office.
One is that and one is birkenstruct It's a it's
a dismissive. Often my staff will tell you if they
were either of those in the office, crocs the worst.
They should just ban them. They should be taken off
the face of the earth. These things there. But only
are they dangerous, as we now see, they're also ugly.
And so I just take it you. If I see
people on crocs, you know, leave my office. Please go
(07:12):
go do something else.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, what do you think, Elie, I'm I'm well, I'm
surprised to learn that they're linked to so many injuries.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Oh look, it was a clickbait headline Crocs shot the
shoes that cost ACC too million. What a load of rubbish.
ACC paid out nearly two million to people with full
related claims involving jandles, high heels and crocs. And I
just want to mention to you, do you know how
many claims go in for people getting their toes stuck
in pajama trousers.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And falling over.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Oh go on, there is a massive number. I don't know.
I read it somewhere. I thought you might know that
it's it's a significant number. So what do I think
we should bam pajambers as well?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But yeah, everything tax everything, that's us. Hey, thank you
so much, guys, appreciate your time. This evening, fellow Riley
and Ellie Jones Huddler's this evening after six o'clo. We're
going to catch up with Brad Olsen from Inframetrics. The
latest construction consents data is out shows a twenty percent
drop year on year, and of course, even if the
(08:07):
Reserve Bank continues cutting the ocr there's likely to be
a bit of a lag, a bit of a delay
as to how long that takes to flow through to
the construction sector at large. That being said, Infrastructure and
Housing Minister Chris Bishop has some big plans for his
portfolios in the coming month. So I'll ask Brad Olsen
how those central government policy changes might impact the construction
(08:29):
sector over the next week. While right now it's eight
to six, you'll projectame on News Talk ZB for more.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
From Heather Duplessy. Allen Drive. Listen live to News Talks
dB from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on
iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
The Huddle this Evening Philo Riley, Iron Duke Partners and
former Boss of Business New Zealand and Alie Jones from
Red PRK. Elder Cordawa, Jall, hey, Pphil, do you reckon
this is something that we overlook when we think about
you know, body I magicians affecting young people. A lot
of the focuses on young women. But do you think
this is something that perhaps has been a little overlooked.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh, you're absolutely right, Jack. There's always been a bit
of this, and one I remember living in Sydney, you know,
twenty five thirty years ago, in some gyms in Sydney
there was I think called roid rage, you know, where
the steroids were in use to they get these mood
changes and so on. But of course it was a
very niche thing. And what's happened is the emeritus professor
there is absolutely right. What's happening is actually social media.
(00:47):
He mentioned movies and stuff as not movies. It's social media.
It's Instagram, it's TikTok, it's Facebook, it's the kinds of
these the kinds of social media outlets that the young
people are using these days, and that is causing some
of these problems as well as other social changes. You
know that the kids aren't be allowed out to play
in the park and so on, so they stay inside
and watch social media and so on. So there's a
(01:08):
real issue here about the popularization of this these body images.
And you're absolutely right. We concentrate a lot on young
women and that's entirely appropriate. We do that because there's
some real risks there. But we're also needing to have
a look at young men because they've got similar and
also different issues associated with the social media issue. And
so I think we need to as a nation ever
(01:28):
think about this. And yeah, banning cell phones from schools
is just one good step.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh you see, I'm one hundred percent with you on this. Well,
I just I can't understand the opposition to cell phones
and schools. And I know that maybe it seems a
bit trite and easy allly just to blame social media
for these kind of trends, But it seems so obviously
as surely social media is having a negative impact.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Well, of course it is. I mean, I'm in my fifties.
Our kids are now sort of in their twenties. But
I've got a girlfriend who works at a high school
in christ Church and she is saying that a lot
of the stuff that they're seeing in the kids, the anxiety,
the second guessing, the body image stuff is all related
to social media. What I really liked that I heard
(02:09):
from the professor then was he mentioned women, And I
think that's really important and filtered too, and it shouldn't
be a competition, right, But you know, women have been
dealing with this for decades and decades and in fact,
there isn't the health support around this for women and
we need to. I mean, young women are being sent
home in christ Church to die and I know that
(02:32):
I'm not just making that up, but they cannot look
after them. They're sending them home to die. So I
think there needs to be a public information campaign. It
needs to get into schools, you know, to hear those
things that he was talking about, anxiety, mental health, impotence, fertility, cancer, man,
get it into the schools and start saying is it
worth this?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Do you think?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah? All right, guys, I'm going to get your thoughts
on the Prime Minister's comments today in a couple of minutes,
plus news that crocs are apparently causing US hundreds of thousands,
if not millions of dollars in health claims every year.
Ali Jones and Phil O'Riley on the Huddle right now
at sixteen to six.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And you're back with the huddlers. Phil O'Riley I and
Duke Partner's former boss of Business New Zealand and Ali
Jones from Red PR. So, Ali, what do you make
of the Prime Minister's response to the scrutiny or attention
over the sale of his properties.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
He's out of touch. He is absolutely out of touch.
It is not about resenting his wealth or someone who's successful.
I do think we have a tall poppy problem in
New Zealand, but you know you have to point the
finger where it's correct to do so. I think it's
about what's reasonable and what is not reasonable. And I
think what is not reasonable in this case is that
someone makes that amount of money from selling a house
(03:47):
which is essentially income and isn't taxed, and yet everyone
else earning twenty K, twenty five K, thirty K, fifty
k whatever they are taxed for their income. Now, if
Christopher Luxen and others can't see that they should be
taxed for making that, well, making any money from the
sale of a property, they're out of touch, completely out
(04:08):
of touch.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, I don't think they're out of touch with a
lot of our listeners, because I know that a lot
of people will support Christopher luxe in this position. But
I don't know. In my view, it's a question of fairness.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
What do you think, Phil, Well, of course we're going
to have the Prime minister. Where is the proxy for
this debate that the left appears to want to continue
or game text with what we want to charge them
all wealth tax too so soon. It's just we're using
them as a proxy for a wider debate, and that's
entirely appropriate. That's I understand. He's the Prime minister. Here's
the danger, Jack, Yes, other people will be listening to
(04:39):
all of that and seeing that, seeing the stuff. He's young,
so whether he's handling it well or not, and I'll
be saying, gee, I'm not sure I want to stand
for political office if this is going to go on
about my personal affairs. So we just need to be
a bit cautious about this kind of gotcha politics around
politicians off left all the right, and because all it
does is it says less good people will stand up
and say, you know, I'll stand for parliament, I'll make
a contribution. And that's what he said he was trying
(05:00):
to do. By the way, he didn't make his money
through his parents or anything else, made it himself. And
we should be celebrating that in New Zealand and not
turning it into a bit of a you know, a
cat call about the texts.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I think that's that's not fair. Now I'm going to
jump in here. That is not fair when you've got
someone who's making over two hundred k on the sale
of a property, and this is someone who's quite happy
to tax New Zealanders who are struggling earning money.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I think, as you said before, Jack, look gave a
tax cut.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, but it doesn't work. He gives us mates a
tax cut.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Phil.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
What he needs to understand is that what he's making
on selling a property and what everyone else is is
essentially income. Why should he be any different to anyone
else making income.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I have the debate about capital gains tax. Don't need
to pull luctionin into it's my point. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So, Phil, just on your point though, like, don't you
think as Prime Minister, given like tax policies so central
to central government politics and central to his role, don't
you think it is kind of really important that it
actually we do look at tax policy through the leans
of his own experience.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah. Sure, I mean I say he's promister, he's a
big boy. You can stand up for it, and he
did today with doing a good job down to people
to judge. My point is we need to make sure
that we don't just jump all over politicians of the
left all the right. I've seen this happened to politicians
of the left and the rights using personal circumstances to
really have a red hot go and what we what
we'll see is good people will say that public life
(06:28):
is not for me, and that's a bad thing for
our democracy. So we should just be cautious about overdoing
this and turning on I think he's a big.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Boy, Phil, I think he's a big boy. If he
can't manage that, he shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He might be, but others might not be. They might
be thinking I don't want to into political life.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, I don't want to have my own affairs affairs. Yeah, Hey, Phil,
are you a Crocs kind of guy?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Mate? I have banned two types of shoes in my office.
One is that and one is birkenstruct It's a it's
a dismissive. Often my staff will tell you if they
were either of those in the office, crocs the worst.
They should just ban them. They should be taken off
the face of the earth. These things there. But only
are they dangerous, as we now see, they're also ugly.
And so I just take it you. If I see
people on crocs, you know, leave my office. Please go
(07:12):
go do something else.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, what do you think, Elie, I'm I'm well, I'm
surprised to learn that they're linked to so many injuries.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Oh look, it was a clickbait headline Crocs shot the
shoes that cost ACC too million. What a load of rubbish.
ACC paid out nearly two million to people with full
related claims involving jandles, high heels and crocs. And I
just want to mention to you, do you know how
many claims go in for people getting their toes stuck
in pajama trousers.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And falling over.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Oh go on, there is a massive number. I don't know.
I read it somewhere. I thought you might know that
it's it's a significant number. So what do I think
we should bam pajambers as well?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But yeah, everything tax everything, that's us. Hey, thank you
so much, guys, appreciate your time. This evening, fellow Riley
and Ellie Jones Huddler's this evening after six o'clo. We're
going to catch up with Brad Olsen from Inframetrics. The
latest construction consents data is out shows a twenty percent
drop year on year, and of course, even if the
(08:07):
Reserve Bank continues cutting the ocr there's likely to be
a bit of a lag, a bit of a delay
as to how long that takes to flow through to
the construction sector at large. That being said, Infrastructure and
Housing Minister Chris Bishop has some big plans for his
portfolios in the coming month. So I'll ask Brad Olsen
how those central government policy changes might impact the construction
(08:29):
sector over the next week. While right now it's eight
to six, you'll projectame on News Talk ZB for more.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
From Heather Duplessy. Allen Drive. Listen live to News Talks
dB from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on
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