Full Show Podcast: 02 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Jack tame on, Heather Dup to c Allen Drive with
One New Zealand let's get connected. News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Good afternoon, New Zealand. Welcome to News Talk's ed B
Jack tame in for Heather. We're going to take you
to the Middle East, get the very latest on the
ever growing tensions between Israel and various other regional players.
Iran striking Israel overnight, Israel promising to retaliate. Where to
as end. We will take you there as well as that,

(00:41):
we'll look some of the highlights, if we can call
them that, from the vice presidential debates. They've just wrapped
things up. Tim Walls and JD vance Are. I thought
it was really interesting and very civil, an incredible contrast
compared to the presidential debate. I will tell you who
my winner is very shortly right now. It's eight minutes
past four.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Team and that was swift.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
That was really swift. A poor tour and it was
a really poor tour of Sri Lanka. And the bell
has told for Tim Soudy, Wham Bam Shabam before the
home summer is even underway, the black Caps have a
new Test captain. Personally, I think it's the right call.
I do not not because I don't think that Tim
Soudi is an incredible player, and not because I don't

(01:24):
think he has an incredible legacy, Not because I don't
think he can't make the team or won't take more
Test wickets for the black Caps, but simply because I
am not convinced on his current form he can continue
to justify his place in the team. And look, the
man is a bonafide Black Cap legend, right. But it's simple.

(01:45):
Sports teams are meritocracies, pure meritocracies, maybe our purest meritocracies
with money and status on the line. It is fundamental
that everyone in a modern professional sport team can justify
their own place and select without the need for special treatment.
And I get it. You know, cricket is more complicated

(02:05):
than some other sports, you know, sports like rugby or netball,
in that in so much as the strategic thinking that
comes with being a captain is a massive part of
the game. You've got your field placements, bowling changes, declarations,
all that kind of stuff. But that still makes up
part of the meritocratic equation. Were Tim Soudy's captaincy decisions

(02:28):
so good that they more than made up for his
average bowling form. Probably not. And I've got to say,
and look, maybe I'm speaking too soon here. This is
pretty fresh news, but Saudi seems to have handled the
whole thing with real professionalism and grace. I've always tried
to put the team first throughout my career, he said.
I believe this decision is the best for the team.

(02:52):
Good on you, Tim, I agree. Team nine past four
ninety two. Ninety two is the text number if you're
going to send us message. Don't forget the standard ten
X costs supply jacketewstalk ZB dot co dot nz is
the email address. After five will take it to former
Black Caps coach Mike Hessen will do the old did
he jump or was he pushed? Question? But yeah, from
what we've seen so far, it seems to have been

(03:13):
swift and smooth. Health New Zealand is urging the government
to consider allowing private companies to build and even potentially
run the country's hospitals. In addition to the issues with
the new Dunedin Hospital, Health in z says there are
more than a dozen other large projects classified as having
significant risks. The government says it's open to exploring alternative funding.

(03:34):
Former Health en Z chair Rob Campbell is with us
this afternoon Kyoda, Rob.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Cura Jack, what do you think.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
About SAVY or the hospital both?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
He never show up having an opinion. Let's start with
the hospitals and finish at SUDI.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Good on you, They said, Look, I think this is
being raised now. Frankly, it's a bit of a diversion.
It is an issue. The health officials have been working
ways around privatization of health facilities and health practices for
quite some time, so it's not new. A lot of

(04:14):
work has been done on this. It's previously been held
off because the very large projects like the need in
the hospital frankly wouldn't even attract a partner to do
the kind of work that needs to be done. Now
we are having an increasingly privatized health system by default,

(04:35):
where the public doesn't provide. If people can see a
way to do it profitably, they will in the private sector,
and there's a lot of that going on. There was
a private hospital loath them just recently, and the other
providers are opening clinics and all those kinds of things
all the time. So you really got to distinguish between
things that will just happen in the normal course of

(04:55):
having a significantly privatized healthcare system and what you can
do to build the very large if you like base
hospitals or core hospitals like that, they needn one where
it's quite a different issue.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah. So my take with PPPs, and correct me if
I'm wrong here, is that there is no one size
fits all right, and you can't simply take a binary
perspective and say they're all good or they're all bad.
But what are the things that we would need to
consider if going down the PPP path when it comes
to the to the delivery of healthcare.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
That's exactly the question we should be asking. And the
real danger here is and the reason that things like
to need in hospital and to a lesser extent because
they're a bit smaller, fungua A and Nelson and some
other projects are in trouble is that the necessary skills
to plan and design and prepare for these projects have

(05:53):
been lost in the New Zealand health system in recent years. Now,
that's pretty but it's a fact they're not there, and
you can't solve those way if you like contracting it
our or trying to build a PPP. If you don't
have the skills to build and run a big hospital,
you almost certainly don't have the skills to prepare a
PPP structure in anything other than one which might help

(06:14):
the accounting from the government point of view, because the
money comes in from the private sector in the first instance,
but the cost won't be lower. The risks will all
still sit back with the Crown, with the government, with
the taxpayer, and so it's hugely dangerous to have people
now throwing around these ideas that, ah, it's an answer
to some of our current problems. We've lost the skills,

(06:36):
and until we rebuild those skills, and until we rebuild
a proper way of planning for hospital properties, it's incredibly dangerous.
In fact, I think it's reckless to be talking about
contracting these things out to the private sector.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
What do you make of the government's position with regards
to Needen.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Hospital, Look d Needen Hospital frankly has been a mess
right from inception. I'm not going to go back over
the issue as to whether a very large hospital should
be built into need met decisions being taken some time ago,
but in the last five or six years there's just
been a constant merry go round of things been added

(07:16):
and subtracted. When I was interpart of World, we would
get proposals that were called business cases. One of them
excluded any provision whatsoever for the information technology in the hospital.
How stupid is that. So you've had these roundabouts going on,
this is in, that's out, this is in, that's out,
and never really focus on a proper plan to develop

(07:38):
over time. And this will be a hospital that's built
over time, over time the kind of facilities that are
really needed. So it's a planning and design and preparation issue.
I think the construction part of it is not the
biggest issue, and finance it frankly is also not the
biggest issue.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Right, So does that mean that Dunedin should have its
hospital built in full as originally planned.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Well as originally planned is really the open question because
there's been so many plans that have changed over time.
But I mean, this is not my decision or anyone
now the health sector's decision. Governments have committed to building
a certain type of hospital, and yes, in my view
is therefore a commitment to get on and build it
and trying to play around was oh, whether someone's built

(08:26):
into this or you know, whether you know. One of
the ridiculous things now is though you make it cheap
and by not having car packs, except you are going
to have car parks, they're just going to be private
and they'll be paid with some other way. All that
mucking about is really a diversion from getting on with
the core of providing the essential facilities that are needed
in that hospital. Whether that's a good idea or not

(08:47):
doesn't really matter anymore. That decision has been made a
long time ago and they've got to get on with it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Finally, then Rob south right call for the stand down.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
If he stood down, I don't know isis think he
was probably helped to stand down. But he's a great
New Zealand cricketer. And frankly, if we've put the effort
into planning our hospitals that we put into planning our
top sports teams, we wouldn't have these problems at our target.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Really appreciate your time, Rob, That is the former tier
of Tifata water Health. Indeed, Rob Campbell right now at
sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one Giant Leaf for
business US talks sport with the new tab app downloaded
today RI eighteen bed responsibly.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
H see Wall the Grave is on Sports Talk this
evening and he's with me. Now, do you agree with me?

Speaker 6 (09:39):
Dars?

Speaker 3 (09:39):
It was the right call to take out.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
There, guys, And we've got former tests been a former
test coach, one day coach for the Black Catch John
Bracewell on the program this evening up after seven o'clock
to talk about that.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
I think that's.

Speaker 9 (09:55):
We're all on the green surround this. That is the
right call?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Are we four consecutive? Whatever I've talked to, Well, it's
the first time that in three days that I've had
people on the text machine agreeing with something I've said.
So I'm delighted. Yeah, no, I'm pleased that. I mean,
but is there no capital gains involved in this decision?

Speaker 9 (10:12):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, I listened to it's you know, it's you don't
want to diminish what he's achieved because he is a
bona fide Black Caps legend. But I don't know I
just think everything about the last twelve hours has suggested
to me a professional, dignified response to what is a
pretty obvious problem.

Speaker 7 (10:28):
All about team, all about team, and that's been the
strength of the black Cats for some time now. Four
consecutive pretty horrible defeats granted at the hands of Australia
and Sri Lankra at home.

Speaker 8 (10:39):
So that is difficult.

Speaker 7 (10:40):
But he sat back and gone, I'm not bowling as
well as Easter Bowl. I don't know if I can
juggle both of these demands after two years. I want
to continue my career and more importantly, I want the
black Caps to taste success.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, I need to do this.

Speaker 9 (10:54):
And so he did it, and I think we all
commend him.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
On Matt, I don't know if you'll go back to
India out of a cup of tea to lie down.
Become the start of the home season when England turn
up ham on the green Seemers, maybe we'll start seeing
decent spells from Tim South, which opens up the door
for Matt, Henry and O'Rourke to take over those duties.
So you've got to commend and pat on the back.

(11:18):
Well done to him.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
So the Saders look set to signs Look set to
sign the former Wallabies James O'Connor.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
Yeah, James O'Connor has been all around the world, sixty
plus caps. Very smart decision, very wise.

Speaker 9 (11:37):
This isn't very good decision.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Interesting.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
This is a place saver, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (11:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (11:42):
Yeah, this is that they're waiting for Richie Moran to
come back. Gone rich.

Speaker 11 (11:48):
For you.

Speaker 9 (11:48):
Well, Fergus Burke has just been off to Saracen. So
there's a.

Speaker 7 (11:51):
Lot of juniors trying to make their way through, and
indeed they will eventually push through, but they need a
singing guy in there who can basically steady the ship
and say to these players, this is what you do.
This is what I've experienced. Like he was so green
when he first turned up, Little Justin bieber Esk was
and he he was, but now he's not. Now he's

(12:12):
a big, mottled, muscular, massed rugby play. It's been all
over the shop. And if that gets over the line,
which we led to believe through various sources, this would
be great for the Crusaders. Not only have they got
a half decent draw to start next season, but now
they've got someone who is controlling it and that's so important.
So yeah, it's James O'Connor. He he's had a bit

(12:33):
of a long past, but that's okay. I'm quite happy
about that.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Very good. Thank you, Darcy Wadergo will be with us
tonight for Sports Talk from seven o'clock on News Talks.
He'd be thank you for your text as well. Jack,
totally agree with you. First time it's happened in days
is what Jack. Saudi was once good, but no mass
retired gracefully. Don't go to India, Jack, You obviously have
never watched him, Saudi bat he's never respected his wicked
It really annoys me, says mus Do you remember was

(13:00):
very first Inningsmas. I think it was his test debut.
He took five for. He was only about nineteen years old,
took five for, came out and smashed seventy something seventy
seven remember that.

Speaker 7 (13:10):
And he's carried that for the rest of his career
because everyone thought he comes down next do all around that,
And I think that's probably the worst thing that could
happen to him. Yeah, I had stood on his sticks
for a duck. It probably would have been better for
a spread. I'll get out of your studio.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
No, it's all right, it's just it's nice to reminisces
on such things. It was that was a great day.
So that he's what thirty five and that was sixteen
years ago. Yeah, twenty three past four, you with Jack
tam on news talks.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
He'd be on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app
and in your car on your drive home. It's Jack
tam On, Heather Duper see Allen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected in news talk as they'd.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Be twenty five past four on news talks, he'd be.
So the vice presidential debate has just wrapped in the US.
Just like the presidential debate between Carmala Horris and Donald Trump,
this one went over by about fifteen minutes, but the
tone of the debate, has to be said, was completely different,
much much, much more more civil than the presidential debate.
The candidates agreed on mini goals throughout the whole thing,

(14:06):
but on the border and on migration. Tim Walls called
out JD. Vance on how he's choosing to approach the issue.

Speaker 12 (14:14):
I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by
standing with Donald Trump and not working together to find
a solution, it becomes a talking point. And when it
becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize
other human beings.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
And the VP candidates got really hated when it came
to discussions around January sixth.

Speaker 13 (14:33):
For years in this country, Democrats protest to the results
of elections. Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen said that Donald
Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the
Russians bought like five hundred thousand dollars worth of Facebook ads.
This has been going on for a long time. And
if we want to say that we need to respect
the results of the election, I'm on board. But if

(14:54):
we want to say, as Tim Wallt's is saying that
this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I
don't buy that.

Speaker 12 (15:00):
Governor, January sixth was not Facebook adds, and I think
of revisionist history on this look. I don't understand how
we got to this point, But the issue was that happened.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Donald Trump can into it.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, So that was the exchange over of January sixth.
We'll play some more of the debate before five o'clock.
Not quite as many memorable moments as the presidential debate,
no debate over people maybe eating pets, but there were
a few little memorable exchanges. It's almost four thirty. News
is next on newstalg z'db.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Jactam cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's
jacktame on, Hither Duple c Ellen drive with one New
Zealand let's get connected news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
A you are with jacktame on NEWSBORGK. The'd be in
for Heather this week. Interesting situation in Wellington at the
weekend after that Leeder is Low police were called to
a bit of an incident or what they're describing as
an altercation. They ended up taking off someone wearing a

(16:13):
wallabeest jersey off to the police station, off to the
cells for a couple of hours until they realized that
that person was a partner of an Australian diplomat, so
that person technically has diplomatic community. Now police are requesting
that that person's diplomatic community is waived for this incident. Anyway,
we're going to see what is involved with that legally,

(16:34):
what the police's chances are After five O'CLOCKLAS evening. Right now,
it's twenty four to five.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
And to the Middle East, where the escalations continue. Iran
has fired missiles directly at Israel.

Speaker 14 (16:49):
In Tel Aviv, a constant streak of interceptions filled to
night sky as waves.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Of missiles came in.

Speaker 14 (16:56):
Cars stopped by the side of the road, as sirens sounded.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
When people took shelter where they could.

Speaker 14 (17:02):
Millions went to their saferms across central Israel under orders
from the military. The Israeli military said they will respond.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Benjamin Nitanyahu has vowed he'll respond.

Speaker 14 (17:12):
Israel's Prime minister had told the country to prepare for
difficult days ahead.

Speaker 15 (17:17):
Truly, Iran made a major mistake this evening, and it
will pay for it. The regime in Iran just doesn't
understand our determination to defend ourselves and our determination to
retaliate to our enemies.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
White House officials have also come into.

Speaker 16 (17:31):
The United States military coordinated closely with the Israeli defense
forces to help defend Israel against this attack. US naval
destroyers joined Israeli air defense units in firing interceptors to
shoot down inbound missiles.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
To the Vice presidential debate, where the Middle East conflict
has been front and center. He's Tim Woltz.

Speaker 12 (17:51):
And when Iranian missiles did fall near US troops and
they received traumatic brain injuries, Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Wrote it off as headaches.

Speaker 12 (18:01):
Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle. He
will go to whoever has the most flattery or where
it makes sense to him.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Steady leadership like you witnessed today.

Speaker 12 (18:11):
We need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Then at one point jd Vance had his mic.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Cut to Margaret.

Speaker 13 (18:18):
I think it's important because Margaret, the rules were that
you got to be a fact check and since you're
fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's
actually going on.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Thank you, gentlemen.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
It's something.

Speaker 15 (18:32):
Gentlemen, the audience can't hear you because.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Your mics are cut.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
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is an original portrait by Pablo Picasso. Experts say the
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(18:58):
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Speaker 1 (19:04):
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Speaker 3 (19:11):
Knewies correspondent Dan Mitchison is with us Nack Yo to Dan, Hey, Jack,
you've been you've been watching the vice presidential debate. So
what's you take? Who won and why?

Speaker 17 (19:22):
I think this debate was more enjoyable and more civil.
In fact, I think civility is the word I would
have used to describe the debate tonight and the presidential one.
I mean, Vance was obviously much more polished. Waltz came
off as a little nervous, especially off the top, but
he has said before he doesn't like speaking in front
of crowds and gets a little nervous and flustered. But
I'll tell you this, both seem more respectful of one

(19:44):
another than Trump and Harris did during the debate, and
Boscher cans before and after the debate as opposed when
Harris had to walk over to get Trump to acknowledge
her at the beginning of their debate.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's funny, isn't It's kind of
a low bar have a more civil debate than the
pre sidential one. But how influential or impactful is this
likely to be in the context of the presidential race.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I don't think much.

Speaker 17 (20:08):
I mean, you know, that's the question everybody's asking is
how many minds will it? Will it change tonight? And
I mean the percentage of voters who have said they
don't know who they're voting for right now is really
in single digits at this point. So I can't think
of a time when I, as a voter, have said,
you know, I'm going to switch my vote because of
a party's VP choice. That said, in some ways, I
think tonight's debate was probably more interesting in some ways

(20:30):
the presidential one, just because we haven't heard as much
from these two as we have from Harris and Trump,
and maybe we have a little bit more, But I
just don't think the general public is as familiar with
both of them as they are with the presidential candidates.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, a lot of people have questioned Donald Trump's choice
of running mate. They said that JD. Vance was a
bad call. Do you think that his performance in this
debate will go some way in quieting that criticism.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
I think it might.

Speaker 17 (20:56):
I think there are people on the Democrat side already
in the spin room, they were saying, well, he didn't
come off with a plan, But I think the tough
part for him tonight was and he was very polished.
I mean, he came on. If I had to choose
a winner tonight, I would certainly say that he probably
came off the winner. But when Governor Waal said Advance,

(21:16):
and he was referring to Donald Trump about this, you know,
asking did he lose a twenty election, and Vance said, tim,
I'm focused on the future. So Walt said, that is
a damning non answer. And I think that quote right
there is the one that's going to come back to
sort of bite him and maybe erase the other sixty
plus minutes before that was brought up, and it was
one of the weaker points from him. But overall, I

(21:37):
thought both of them were very agreeable at times with
one another, which is something you're not used to having
candidates say, hey, you know what, you make a good point,
or yes, I agree with you, but and then they
would go on to you know, spin their own version
of the truth.

Speaker 18 (21:49):
Yeah, I'll tell you what does it's You know, the
Trump campaign hasn't had that much momentum in the last
six weeks, they have really struggled off the momentum, off
the back of that Republican convention.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
So this is something on that front, you know, I think.

Speaker 17 (22:04):
So, I think it's something that's gonna, you know, certainly
make the news cycle tomorrow. But you're right, I don't
think there's been a lot, especially since Harris jumped into
the race. And I think Donald Trump just seems very,
very tired. He just doesn't have that spark. He just
doesn't have that energy or that you know that well,
you know, to quote Rocky three that I had the Tiger.
I guess that he had the first time around, or

(22:25):
even before when he was going up against Biden.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Now talk to us about the US involvement in the
Middle East conflict. We too from here.

Speaker 17 (22:32):
Well, I mean that's a good question. I mean President
Biden is again, you know, reaffirming his support as he
has for Israel, and he said that he was fully
fully fully I think he used three or four fullies
supportive in remarks that he made earlier today. And he's
been at the White House in the situation room. He's
watching what's going on with Iran, and I think he

(22:52):
said that this is sort of an active discussion in
what's going to happen moving forward. I mean, Republicans like
Mitch McConnell have said, you know that Iran should face
severe consequences, and I don't know, Jack, this is I mean,
this is something that a lot of people thought that
might happen sooner rather than later going into the election.
Right now, I think this could be sort of Biden's boy.

(23:16):
I think this could be a big burden on his
administration right now, and I think Kamala Harris is going
to probably keep it a very close eye on what
mister Biden does too.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's just not obvious to see how it's going to
be de escalated, right because you have, first of all,
the Israelis striking parts of southern Lebanon, striking parts of
their route. You have some limited troops, but troops down
the lace on the ground in Lebanon. You have Iran responding.
You then have Israel promising to respond to Iran. And
if Israel responds to Iran, it's hard to see how

(23:44):
Iran is in then going to respond to Israel and
how do we get out of this. No One seemed
to be pretty full on an obvious solution. To actually
breaking the cycle.

Speaker 17 (23:53):
I think you'd kind of just sum that up in
fifteen seconds better than I could to tell you the truth.
And quite honestly, I think there are a lot of
people over here, and this sounds very cold to say,
probably aren't paying the kind of attention that they should
to what is going on over there, just because of
everything that's going on here at the moment, and with
the election, you know, a month and a half away
right now, I think this is just sort of background

(24:13):
noise right now, and obviously, as you know, it shouldn't
be background noise. It should be in the forefront of
the news cycle.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, Hey, thank you so much. Dan, always appreciate your time.
US correspondent Dan Mitchinson with us this evening. We'll pay
you a few more little bits and pieces from that debate.
So you know how Dan was talking about that moment
when Tim Woltz was talking about January sixth, they were
talking about the state of democracy in New Zealand. He
put an important question directly to jd Vance And this

(24:40):
is how jd Vance responded.

Speaker 12 (24:43):
Well in a way that we had not seen, and
it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to say
he is still saying he didn't lose the election. I
would just ask you that did he lose the twenty
twenty election.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Tim, I'm focused on the future.

Speaker 19 (24:57):
No.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Anyway, After five o'clock, we're going to catch up with
former US Ambassador to New Zealand Mark Gilbert. He's a
long time Democrat, but we will get his take what
we'll encourage him to try and remove all bias from
his judgment as he gives us his assessment. How you
know that Picasso painting? I mean, it is pretty amazing
that a Picasso painting, a portrait found in the in
the salar might be worth ten million dollars. How many

(25:21):
paintings do you think Pablo Picasso produced in his time?
Because I tell you what, that man was nothing if
not prolific. Here you go, thirteen and a half thousand.
Picasso produced thirteen and a half thousand paintings one hundred
thousand prints. So in a way, it's kind of remarkable
that it's actually worth that much money. Quarter to five.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments
certainty and.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Senior political correspondent for Newstalks, he'd be mister Barry sober
is in the house. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Jack. You've
been watching the VEEP debate.

Speaker 20 (25:53):
Well, probably not as much as you have, Jack, You've
got more time on your hands.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, that's so.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (25:59):
I sort of watched it on and off.

Speaker 20 (26:01):
I've got to say all afternoon, probably in fairness that
you did as well. But there were a couple of
points that I really found quite interesting. One was the
argument over natural gas and how they have to produce
more petty. That messag doesn't get through to a few
of our politicians in this country. And Walsh claimed that

(26:22):
Trump asked oil company executives to Marrow Lago to ask
them for campaign money. I don't know whether there's a
lot of truth in that, but nevertheless, much was made
of Vance's opposition to Trump's presidency, and that is a
great debating point because certainly, Vance, before he became the

(26:43):
running mate of Donald Trump, was very critical of Donald Trump.
It's amazing how things can change. But I've got to
say the Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz seems to have a
constant frown, which makes him appear something of an angry man.
In the book, the Ohio Senator JD. Bhans says it's

(27:03):
like Donald Trump. He says like Donald Trump should say
it without the verbal diarrhea, and they both are Here's
Wolf's first, followed by Vons.

Speaker 12 (27:14):
It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand
how dangerous he is when the world is this dangerous.
His chief of staff John Kelly said that he was
the most flawed human being he'd ever met, and both
of his secretaries of Defense and his national security advisors
said he should be nowhere near the White House now.
The person closest to them to the Donald Trump said

(27:37):
he's unfit for the highest office.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
That was Senator of Vance.

Speaker 13 (27:40):
Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States,
you needed peace through strength.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
They needed to.

Speaker 13 (27:46):
Recognize that if they got out of line, the United
States global leadership would put stability and peace back in
the world.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
It is up to Israel what.

Speaker 13 (27:55):
They think they need to do to keep their country safe,
and we should support our allies wherever they are when
they're fighting the bad guys. I think that's the right
approach to take with his real question.

Speaker 20 (28:05):
And it's very hard to pick a winner out of
these sorts of debates because they're all over the place
in a way they're all, well, these two were very articulate.
And you know, I'd prefer the Trump Harris debate because
Trump is so unpredictable.

Speaker 8 (28:21):
Anything that comes out of his mouth you left gaping.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
As a spectacle. It's certainly a little more much. Yes, yes,
a more memorable experience. I have picked the winner, so
I'm going to year that after that. So Casey Costello
has answered questions about her link to the tobacco industry.

Speaker 8 (28:35):
Yeah, well, well alleged links.

Speaker 20 (28:37):
And this is I've got to say. Our opponents at
radio in New Zealand, I've made much of Casey Costello
and papers that she's said to have had, and she
did have those papers.

Speaker 8 (28:52):
She had advisory papers, but that she.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Said didn't exist, and then she said she didn't know
where they were from, and then she sent them off
to advise health of how to make policies. Then she
wouldn't release them. There she was less were doing well.

Speaker 20 (29:03):
Hang on, what they were doing was feeding the opposition,
probably coming from the Labor opposition, who basically said that
the whole issue stinked like corruption.

Speaker 8 (29:15):
And it's a pretty.

Speaker 20 (29:16):
Serious claim and it was run on air and Labor's
Asha Viril, who of course was a former health minister.
She said the advice from Treasury confirmed that a tax
cut was a highly unusual decision. That a tax cut
was said to be was claimed to be two hundred
and sixteen million dollars. Well, as a matter of fact,
it was well under six million dollars. That was a

(29:39):
budgetary amount set aside just in case. Philip Morris would
have been the only the only recipient of that. But
for Viral's information, Philip Morris has actually stopped making the
heated tobacco product that they're hoping to bring on to
stop smoking, and that's left Costello ironically hoping the product

(30:01):
will remain on the market through other outlets to assist
in the fight against smoking.

Speaker 21 (30:07):
Yes, she is.

Speaker 19 (30:08):
This is what I'm hoping is that we do get
alternate products. This is what I want to achieve. There's
alternate products to get people to stop smoking, and if
the market is available, that there is a demand, which
I think there is, because there are people who want
to quit smoking and vaping hasn't worked, and the other
tobacco mixtin replacement treatments haven't worked. The Health Coalition they

(30:29):
became fixated on the tobacco industry, not upon what we
were trying to do.

Speaker 20 (30:34):
So that's where it was being driven from. To me
was the Health Coalition as opposed to any evidential stuff.
And when you look at Japan, which is what Costello
points to the heated tobacco product. Don't ask me what
it is because I wouldn't have a clue, but apparently
it must be much stronger than vape and for cigarette
smokers it must make it easier to get off them.

Speaker 8 (30:56):
And let's hope it does.

Speaker 20 (30:57):
They've got to get eighty thousand off to reach their
target by next year, and that's zero smoking, which is
effectively five percent.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I'm running out of time, but very quickly we'll give
us Haystings counselors have turned up to a bouncy castle
on their front door thanks to the Taxpas Union.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
I think it was great, and of course it was
the mayor.

Speaker 20 (31:16):
Nineteen percent rate is the height there this year they're
paying youth counselors to come in and give them a
bit of advice on how to run the council. Honestly,
the bouncy castle I thought was totally appropriate.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Thank you very much, very appreciate. Your time. There is
mister Barry Soper. It is seven to five on Newstalk SEDB.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. Some Mike asking breakfast.

Speaker 22 (31:40):
The government is giving one heated tobacco product tax cuts
to the tune of two hundred and sixteen million dollars.
Associate Health Minister Casey Costello is with us. Okay, So
this feels like a complete non story to me because
I'm reading that Philip Morris has actually just pulled this
product off the shelves.

Speaker 19 (31:55):
Yeah, and this is the unfortunate thing.

Speaker 10 (31:57):
The noise around the.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Two testing million was a contingent some.

Speaker 23 (32:00):
Our total exercise collectors for related tobacco products not smoking
was about six million, and he's tobacco was a portion
of that six million. So this two hundred and sixteen
was a contingency some to capture in case there was
a semesters tune around, but there won't be either.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Duplessy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's back tomorrow at six am with the Jaguar f
pace on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
dB, not too far off five o'clock on News Stalks.
He be thank you very much for your text Jack,
come on, for goodness sake, go back over the last
twenty minutes of that Veat debate this afternoon and review.
Your comments have been anything but impartial. Your bias is
loud and clears, as STU Still, I haven't even told
you who I thought one yet come the farm I
will after five. As well as that, we're going to

(32:43):
catch up with the former US Ambassador to New Zealand,
Mark Gilbert. He's a big time supporter of the Democrats,
so certainly comes into it backing a team. But how
does he think that Jade Vance and Tim Waltz went
in their debate this evening. As well as that, will
catch up with a former Black Caps coach, Mike Hesson
get his thoughts on the Tim Saudi situation. News is next,

(33:05):
though it's almost five, you're with Jack tame on newstorg ZB.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
It's Jack tame On, hither due to see allan drive
with one New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Let's get connected news tog sedb.

Speaker 13 (33:22):
Well.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
The situation in the Middle East is escalating quickly. Just
a day after Israel's ground offensive in Lebanon, Iran has
launched nearly two hundred missiles at Israel, most of which
were intercepted Israeli Prime Minister ben Yamnette Yah, who says
Iran has quote made a big mistake and will pay
for it. Brenkardil is a policy analyst at the Australia
Israel and Jewish Affairs Council and is with us this evening.

(33:45):
Good evening, Yeah, very well, thank you.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
So.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Israel says a zion dome system has intercepted and protected
civilians from the missiles, but Iran state television says ninety
percent of them hit their targets. So which party is right?

Speaker 24 (34:01):
I think we'll probably find out in the next couple
of days. Certainly there were impacts in Israel. I've been
looking all day. I haven't been able to find out
how many. But Israel has said that only two Israelis
and one the two Israelis were injured and one Palestinian
was killed in the attack. And Israel's not the kind

(34:23):
of country where they would cover up deaths of civilians
or deaths of soldiers at the army basis that were targeted.
So I think the attack was not as successful or
wasn't anywhere near its successful as.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Iran hoped, so Binyamin Nikha, who says Israel will respond.
If Israel responds, presumably Iran will respond to that response,
and we get stuck in a cycle. How do we
break it?

Speaker 24 (34:48):
I think we break it with the US. Iran actually
has a very weak military, which is the reason why
it's invested so heavy in proxy militias around them, at
least including obviously has Beloved, also must and various militias
in Yemen and Iraq, and obviously it's missile program as well.
But we're the US to step in and send a

(35:11):
couple of missiles at say an Iranian drone making factory
or an Iranian missile factory. I think Iran would get
the message very quickly that it needs to step back,
and that's that's why I'm hoping will happen in the
next couple of days.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
What is the likelihood you think that the US will
do that?

Speaker 24 (35:30):
It's hard to predict. I think relatively good. Obviously, the
US is in an election cycle and the Republicans would
want a strong response, and they'll be asking for that,
so it might be electorally a good idea for Biden
to do a strike such as that I'm not talking
war against you, right, I'm talking a limited point missile

(35:52):
strike because I think that will make Harris and the
Democrats look strong, which will which will help them electorallys.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, how do countries avoid getting involved in this? If
the US is involved? Inevitably are countries like Australia and
even New Zealand involved in some way.

Speaker 24 (36:07):
Too, Certainly not militarily, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
I do think, however, that.

Speaker 24 (36:15):
Iran needs to be sent a message.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Now.

Speaker 24 (36:18):
The US can send Iran a military message, but I
think Western countries should send Iran a diplomatic message. Now,
the Islamic Revolutionary Guards CALL, which is like the elite
units of the Iranian military. They are prescribed in America
as a terrorist organization because they because they conduct terrorists
attacks around the world, but they are also in charge

(36:41):
of Iran's missile pro ram and so they conducted the
attack over night. It were Australia or New Zealand or
the other Five Eyes countries or other Western countries generally
were to prescribe the IIGC as a terrorist organization, I
think that would send a very clear and strong diplomatic
methods to Iran. That the West is starting to hold

(37:02):
you run accountable for its malfeasents around the world, around
the Middle East.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Thanks for your time, Brent, We appreciate it. That is
Bren Carlile, the director of Special Projects at the Australia
Israel and Jewish Affairs Council. At eleven past five, we
were just over a months to go into the US election.
The final debate event of the campaign took place this afternoon.
The Vice President's debate between Democrat Tim Waltz and Republican JD.
Vance holds perhaps a little more weight than a VP

(37:29):
debate usually would, simply because the race is so close
and this is the only debate they're having. Mark Gilbert
is the former US Ambassador to New Zealand and is
with us now.

Speaker 21 (37:39):
Kyoda, Good evening, Kyoda, Good evening, Jack.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
What did you think of the debate?

Speaker 21 (37:45):
Well, first of all, it was civil, which I thought
was a great improvement from many of the debates that
we have seen. I think both candidates got across the
points that they were trying to make, sometimes answering the
moderator's question, sometimes answering or giving the answer that they
wanted the potential voters to hear.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, who do you think was the stronger performer at all?

Speaker 21 (38:13):
Well? Jd Vance is an accomplished debater, so you could
see that he has done this many times before. Governor Walls,
I thought held his own and I thought the debate.
Each of them had strong points at different times. It
was obvious to see that the Trump campaign wanted jd

(38:37):
Vance to hammer Kamala Harris and the Democrats on energy,
which is something that sort of confounds me because during
the Biden administration, we became an energy net exporter for
the first time, and we're producing more oil more gas
than any other country in the world. To hammer them

(39:01):
on energy, I thought was sort of a strange task.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, it was an interesting strategic move, wasn't it. You know,
There's been a lot of criticism about Donald Trump's decision
to appoint Jadie Vance as his running mate. Do you
think his performance tonight will quell some of that criticism?

Speaker 21 (39:17):
Well, I think that the Republicans will think that he
had a very good night, which he did. He was
very strong. He answered the questions that he wanted to
answer in the way he wanted to convey a message.
I thought he was a pretty strong defender of Donald Trump.

(39:41):
But I thought towards the end of the bait he
completely lost all credibility when he was asked about the
twenty twenty election. When he was asked, did Donald Trump
lose in twenty twenty, and he said, well, I'm focused
on the future. And the only reason he Donald Trump's
running meat is because Donald Trump and his followers tried

(40:05):
to hang his former vice president. So it was a
very awkward moment. And if I was sitting there as
an undecided voter, I would have really recoiled at the
answer he gave about twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Thanks your time, Mark, we appreciate it. That's Mark Gilbert,
the former US Ambassador to New Zealand and member of
the Democrat Party. If you watch the debate, ninety two
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(41:28):
dot NZ team eighteen past five on news talks, he'd
be Tim Soudy has stood down as the black Caps
Test captain following a recent slump in form in a
series loss to Sri Lanka. Saudi will be replaced by
opening batsman Tom Latham starting against India this month. Mike
Hessen is the black CAP's former head coach and is
with us this evening. Good evening, nice to join you,

(41:52):
nice to be speaking with you. Did he jump or
was he pushed?

Speaker 21 (41:57):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Tim is very much the ultimate team man really, so
if he felt that the team was better off, he
would have he would have left his own volition. But
I'm I'm a bit confused as to why he would
need to do that, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Oh, okay, why's that?

Speaker 4 (42:13):
Look?

Speaker 5 (42:13):
I think you know, at the start of the series,
Tim was sort of told that he was unlikely to
play in all of the games, and that was relatively public,
so heating it the sort of you know, six games
away from home. And then he was named captain.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Again.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
I can't think of any other side in the world
where you would name a captain on a game by
game basis. You know, you're playing for your nation. So
I thought the transition period made good sense. But then
when he was named captain, it's sort of made life
pretty difficult for Tim.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Yeah, why would that have happened?

Speaker 5 (42:45):
Look, I'm unsure. I mean obviously that that difficult conversation
had already taken place around the fact that they we're
probably going to transition you, you know, towards the end
of your career and obviously still a very important member
of the side, but there are guys who are also
competing for spot. So that conversation already took place though,
and Tim Tim tom Lathan was obviously ready to go.

(43:08):
So I'm not sure why they didn't take it one
set through the really at that time, just to make
it easier on Tim.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Do you think that would have made it easier if
they said, you know what we're gonna We're going to
bring you on the tour, but we're going to have
Tom Latham in the captain see from the word go,
so that we don't have to stand you down from
it part way through.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
Well, I think it's it's pretty fear that to understand
the terms not at the top of his game. You know,
he's been for seventeen years, so he's more towards the
end and the start, so he would be the first
to understand, Hey, if I'm not going to play every game,
then how can I be captain? You know? So it
makes a lot more sense to someone who's guaranteed to
play everything likes of Tom to be a captain. Then

(43:47):
he doesn't have to sit in those difficult selection meetings.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah, yeah, do you think he's good enough to make
the playing eleven for the first Test against India?

Speaker 5 (43:56):
I think in Bengal when the ball swings, I think
he's serious consideration, but certainly not a guarantee. I think
Matt Henry has fighted his time and deserves, absolutely deserves
that opportunity. I mean, he's been sitting behind bolts out
of there in Wagoner for many years and he deserves
that opportunity. So I think he's a shoeing f well.

(44:18):
O'Rourke is fully fat there. I think he provides that
point of difference. And you know, whether they go with
three seems in Bangalore when there's a bit of rain
rounds remains to be seen. But certainly not a guarantee,
but should certainly be in the conversation.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
I mean, you know, Tim Sowdy is a bona fide
legend of New Zealand cricket. You know what he has
achieved over the last sixteen or seventeen years is extraordinary.
Do you feel, Mike that he has been let down
by the way this is all played out.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
I'm just a bitch of chosed as I said before.
You know how he was put in this position to
be in controlled it and destiny. Really, I think it
just he was on a bit of hiding for nothing
in all, honestly, and I don't think he doping. That
situation should have arose.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
It's really interesting. Thanks Mike. Yeah, we appreciate that. That's
Mike Keessen, the former black Caps captain. If you've got
thoughts on that. Ninety two ninety two as our text
number jacket newstalks hedb dot co dot nzet is the
email address before six o'clo. We're going to take a
close look at the situation in Wellington over the weekend.
So the police say that they are seeking to waive
diplomatic immunity so that charges can be laid against the

(45:31):
partner of an Australian diplomat who is understood to have
been involved in what police described as an altercation in
the early hours of Sunday morning in Wellington. So Sky
News in Australia says that the person was taken into
custody and then released without charge if it was confirmed
that they had diplomatic community and get this. As understood,
the person was the male partner of an Australian diplomat

(45:53):
and was wearing rugby themed attire. Right, so, just how
far does diplomatic immunity extend and what are the chances
it'll be waived in this occasion? We'll tell you before sex.
Right now, it's twenty two past five.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Hard questions, Strong opinion, Jack dame On, Heather Duplicy, Alan
Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talk instead.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Be It was civil. That's the word that keeps popping up.
I thought it was pretty thoughtful. Actually, it was focused
for the most part on policy. It was frankly a
novel experience to be watching a modern US political debate
that didn't immediately descend into petty name calling, insults, conspiracy theories, hyperbole, lies, etc.

(46:38):
I thought jd Vance was much better than Tim Waltz.
If these things are to be scored, I know everyone
always wants a winner and a loser. It was simple
for me then jd Vance was the winner. He didn't
throw around insults in the same way that he has
on the campaign trail, which I thought was an interesting
strategic approach. And I just thought he did a really
good job of presenting a smart and reasonable and as

(47:01):
a steady partner of a more chaotic running mate. I
also thought there were moments in the vice presidential debate
in which he was humane or came across as humane
in a way that Donald Trump never really does. Tim
Waltz at one point was talking about how his seventeen
year old had witnessed a shooting, and JD. Vance looked

(47:26):
at him, let him speak, and immediately responded in a
really decent way. He said, I didn't know. I didn't
know about this. I'm really sorry that your child had
to experience that. You know, for the most part, I
don't reckon Tim Walltz was terrible.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
He made a bit of a weird gaff where it
sounded as though he kind of said something about becoming
friends with school shooters, like he obviously just got his
words confused. But that was a bit weird. And then
there was some stuff around some comments he had made
suggesting he'd been living in Hong Kong at the same
time as Tieneman Square that turned out not to be true.

(48:00):
And I just didn't think he looked as fresh. He
certainly wasn't as self assured, and he certainly wasn't as
slick as JD. Vance. His best moment was directly turning
to Vance and asking if Vance believed Donald Trump won
the twenty twenty election, and of course Jadie Vance immediately
did that classic politician answer and said, you know, I'm
focused on the future. So what does it mean for

(48:22):
the race? Not heaps. I think there was probably more
to lose tonight for the respective campaigns than there was
to win. You know, it might translate to a we
we bump and support, maybe a few more voters suring
up their decisions. But more than anything I reckon for
Team Trump, it is probably the first bit of momentum

(48:44):
in the right direction that that campaign has enjoyed for
the best part of six weeks. Two two ninety two
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(49:07):
involved in a so called altercation in Wellington over the weekend.
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Speaker 2 (49:31):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Jack tame.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
On, Heather Duplicy Allan drive with one New Zealand let's
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Speaker 3 (49:42):
You know that subd news Dogs EDB, you were Jack
tame in for Headed Duplicity Allen. Really interesting comments from
Mike kss at I was surprised that he doesn't think

(50:04):
Tim Soudy as the black Caps captain hasn't been treated
well at the start of this season, if you like
all this subcontinental tour. He felt that Tim Soude had
been told, you know what, we're probably almost done with
you representing the black Caps, and then lo and behold
he was named captain. Now he's no longer captain. Will
he go to India? Be interesting to see. Thanks for

(50:25):
your messages on that, Jack. Mike Essen's absolutely right. Tim
Soaldy has been treated terribly. Says a lot about the
man that he could stand up and say that him
being dropped as captain is in the interest of the team.
Of course, at the moment that no one's really saying
whether he was dropped or whether he decided to stand
down on his own accord. I agree with you. I
think he's been really gracious the way he's kind of
handled it. Also Far ninety two ninety two. If you

(50:48):
want to flick us the message before six o'clock the huddle.
Nick Mills and Mark Sainsbury our huddlers this evening. Right now,
it is twenty three minutes to six. Jack Team and
the New Zealand Police are seeking to waive diplomatic community
for an Australian diplomat's partner after allegations of an early
morning altercation in Wellington just hours after the Bledderslow Cup test.

(51:08):
One person was taken into custody, but then later released
without charge after confirmation of diplomatic community. Graham Edgler is
an electoral law expert and is with us on this
good evening, Good evening. How does diplomatic community actually work?

Speaker 25 (51:26):
When another country wants to send someone to New Zealand
as a diplomat or as a family member of a diplomat,
they told New Zealander, these are the people we would
like to send. Will you agree to them? Having diplomatic community.
If New Zealand says yes when they enter the country
on a diplomatic passport, we recognize that. The Ministry of

(51:47):
Foreign Affairs takes note. There'll be a list. These are
the people who have diplomatic community in New Zealand. And
it's basically protection from legal process. So the law still
applies to you, but the way we enforce the law,
we just can't.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Right the aout of community remains okay. So so if
you if you commit a crime allegedly uh, and you
are arrested, we then can't proceed with with legal proceedings
beyond that.

Speaker 25 (52:19):
Yes, and often it would be you shouldn't even be arrested.
Of course, you know, people understand what Sometimes you know,
you're not quite sure who this person is. You get
drunk or whatever. You know, they might not have idea
on them, you know, so that sort of thing happens.
But yes, you can't be summons as a witness even
but yes, can't be prosecuted, can't be sued, and you

(52:41):
know sort of. We have the same benefits in other countries,
and benefits in certain countries more than others, you know,
countries where certain behaviors in New Zealand, you know, or
in other countries you know, can't be out in public
without a man kind of thing and sort of Islamic
countries or things like that, and yeah, so text them
when they're here and protects our diplomats.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Overseas and theoretically, could you theoretically, and no one is
leading this has happened in New Zealand. Could you commit murder?
Could you commit any crime?

Speaker 21 (53:14):
Yes?

Speaker 25 (53:15):
And I mean, well can you you know it's the
one it's well no, no, definitely still a crime, right.
And so one of the things that can happen then
is if you have diplomatic community, New Zealand can say no,
we're canceling it.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
You've got a week to get out of the country
or whatever.

Speaker 25 (53:36):
And quite common in New Zealand for New Zealand to
seek permission from other countries that diplomatic community be way
yes and sort of. The friendlier we are with those countries,
the more likely it is that they might agree. It
doesn't always happen, but there have been a few instances
over the last few years where either a relatively minor

(53:58):
or a slightly more serious matter has come up. Sometimes
the other country says no, but we all prosecute it
in our own courts, right and then our police might
help help with getting evidence over there to enable something
like that to happen. But yes, the basic idea at
you get to sort of the end, the other country
can say no, but it certainly not unlan for them

(54:19):
to say yes, and for New Zealand to do the
same for you know, family members who might be in
places ever see.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
So what what do you think is the police's chance
that they are going to get the diplomatic community waived
in this instant From what we understand.

Speaker 25 (54:35):
I think there'd be a reasonable chance given the country
we understand to have been involved. I'm not aware of
you the last time, you know, this sort of thing
happened with that country. But you know it's these sort
of relative, relatively minor things quite common for something like
this the other country to say, okay, we're going to

(54:56):
waive it. They do tend to do it sort of
at a step by basis. So if you know, if
you need a search warrant, that'll be the thing you
request first. If you need something else you know we
want to charge, you know, you'll do it, you know,
step by step. You know, a simple relatively simple metal
like this, where you know, maybe you've got some c
tdview footage and you probably don't need to do a
search warrant to get someone's phone or anything like that.

(55:18):
It might just be actually we need to charge this person.
Do you agree? You know, yes, the charges we would lay,
do you agree? And it will be sort of spelled
out in some level of detail and up to the
other country what they do.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Graham, you're you're you're very good
at explaining this, so thank you for your time. That
is electoral law expert Graham Edgeler.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
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Speaker 3 (55:45):
Huddle this evening. Nick Mills and Mark Sainsbury, journalist Marke
Sainsbrey and Nick Mills of Horses News doorgs Be's Wellington
Morning's hosts to accord with sure, So Nick, let's start
with you. Is diplomatic community in this instance from what
we understand fair.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
Well, Mark and I go back a long, long way,
and we will remember so many incidents like this that
have happened in Wellington in the past forty or fifty
years and I've always not liked it. It's a part
of history that could be cleaned up and changed. This
guy will sneakily be sent back to Australia and the
whole thing will be pushed under a rug. That's what
generally happens. It's not a good thing. And this must

(56:26):
be a reasonably serious potential assault charge for the police
to even be bringing it forward. So yeah, I don't
like it. I think it should be it's a thing
of the past to stop people being arrested and terrorized
and stuff like that, and I don't think that it
should be happening in the modern world. If you break
the law in the country, if you're a visitor, I

(56:47):
don't care who the hell you are. Let's five oh
won them and send them home?

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah, but wouldn't that be potentially risky for some of
our diplomats overseas, Mark.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
Yees And Look, one of the things that I want
to know, and I tried looking at this up this afternoon,
was have we ever been asked and if news to
wave diplomatic immunity?

Speaker 16 (57:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:06):
Good, good, good question, because I.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Understand and there's certain regimes you know, well Jack that
where it's necessary maybe regimes are less benign than our
own fact where you know, you do need to be
able to survive, you do need that that immunity. But
this is someone that at three thirty in the morning
were they drinking that we had a wild stab at that.

(57:30):
It's something too totally different, sort of as antisocial. It's
nothing to do with their job. Yeah, and it really
annoys you, you know, it really really gets up, gets
on your goat when you sort of see this happened. Yeah, examples.
So you know, it'd be interesting to see how Australia.
It's already right over the Australian press, I see, and yeah,

(57:50):
so it's going to be quite interesting how they respond
because is there some reason for lock of waving immunity.

Speaker 26 (57:57):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Well, no, it's all one of the embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Yeah, Jack is an old saying that nothing happens after
three point thirty in the morning, So he should have
been touched up with it.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
It's not saying that nothing good happens after about eleven PM.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
I just I like, I like the three o'clock.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, yeah, you want to have a little bit of
a little bit of rigger room there. I mean, I
just maybe it's easier for me me to say this
having not been in an altercation at three o'clock in
the morning and found myself in the cuth But I
just think I'd be too embarrassed. I'd be so embarrassed
to go to the police and say, oh no, I'm
going to use my diplomatic community. Maybe you know, that's
the decision that one can only make when one finds

(58:36):
oneself and such a situation. So Marke, what do you
make of the vice presidential debate?

Speaker 5 (58:41):
Well, yeah, look, gee, you and I are starting to
think so much like it's getting to be a bit
of a worried jack.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
Look, I thought that that Darnce had the motional loose. Yeah,
and he and he came across by not being an
absolute loser. I was surprised, how nervyer. But Tim Watson,
you know, you got a little bit sort of got
thing conflated a couple of times. But I still think,
you know, he's certainly he certainly warmed up. The most

(59:08):
interesting thing for me, of course, is this, do you
know who Charles Curtis is? By any chance? Charles Curtis,
at nineteen thirty three was the last American vice president
to have a beard.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Oh yes, No, this is the kind of analysis we
pay you the big bucks for. Yeah, I mean, I
you're right, I mean Jadie Vance I think, Yeah, I
think all by us aside, regardless of your views. I
think Jadie Vance was clearly the better performer. But is
this really going to shift the race at all? What
do you think?

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Well, I've always felt that Jadi Vance is a little
bit of a smooth talker, slick slick Harry type guy.
You know, he just almost could be one of Donald
Trump's sons.

Speaker 11 (59:47):
Couldn't it. You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
It's kind of like so I've never kind of I
just don't jelled for him. Where too els to me
looks like the next door the old next door neighbor
that's mowing the lawns on a Sunday. And since how
you're doing and you're okay? Is everything all right? You
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Yeah, that's the as I get from them.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
It's not going to make any difference at all. I mean,
who kids are, Damn, who the vice captain is? Who
gives a town?

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
Damn?

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Who's the vice principle? Bal Is we only want the
top dogs?

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Yeah, all right, We'll be back with a huddle in
a couple of minutes. Nick Mels and Mark Sainsbury. Right
now it's fourteen to six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Huddle this evening, Nick Mells and Mark Sainsbury. Well, the
tensions in the Middle East certainly aren't calling off in
any way, shape or form. The run last night launching
strikes on Israel. Nick, how do you see this ending
or are we just stuck in a cycle?

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
I mean, at the end of the day, there's two
conflicting ideologies that just absolutely hate each other. I mean,
that's that's the bottom line. I mean, we all want
the same thing, peace in the Middle East. We're not
going to get it. I think I was really interested
in the guest that you had on earlier that said
talking was talking America. They're an election cycle, so they're
not It's going to take a real major push for
them to get involved. But one thing that I read

(01:01:00):
today that really concerned me there's seven hundred thousand Americans
living in Israel. I don't know whether you knew that, but.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
That's a big number.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
And if something starts to look like they're going to
be affected affected, well, of course America will have to
jump in. Usays are only only hope of any even
slightly toning it down. But if we don't tone it down,
God help us all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Yeah, it's hard not to feel pretty pessimistic about the
whole situation, Sanzo.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Look, I wake up this morning and we watched the
tend on the BBC, just looking for live coverage out
of there. Is it just one of those moments I think,
where is this going to go? You know, it's also
another moment I think, thank god we live where we do,
and it gets out of control, but you sort of think,
what is the endgame? Where is the way out of this?
Have two sides effectively wanting to destroy each other, you know,

(01:01:52):
has blarm the masks and don't even accept the existence
of Israel to go, okay, that's our starting point. Where
do we go from here? But yet, Yeah, and we
watched this a humanitarian crisis unfolding in Gaza, and you
just feel you just feel it hopeless to be honest,
Jet sort of watching this sort of there's nothing we
can do? Yeah, and yeah, and and and look at

(01:02:13):
I mean, Nick Yahoo all the way through. I mean,
you know, he's motivated to staying there day. It keeps
him out of prison. And that's and that's not to
take anything away from the atrocities that were foised on
the on the Israeli people starting in octoger, but it
just this just goes on and on anything. I just
do not know how it's going to resolve it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
No, no, it's pretty bleak.

Speaker 5 (01:02:36):
You've thought about in twenty four hours of course.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Yes from that, yes, yeah, all right, guys, thanks for
your time on that. Cherry note, Mark Sainsbury and Nick
Mills on the huddle this evening. Thank you so much
for your feedback. Jack, regarding the vice presidential debate. For me,
the moment when Jadly Vance was asked about the twenty
twenty election and he refused to answer that was all

(01:02:59):
that mattered. Absolutely cooker if you overlook that, Jack. What
about that moment when the moderators fact checked Vance and
Vance had to pull them up on that. That was
this kind of weird moment. So unlike the presidential debate,
the rules heading into the vice presidential debate were that
the moderators weren't going to fact check, but then they
kind of decided that they were going to fact check
jd Vance and then so jd Vance was trying to

(01:03:21):
fact check the moderators fact checking, and then they just
cut us microphone. It wasn't exactly elegant television. It probably
didn't hurt jad Varns. It probably didn't hurt the moderators,
to be perfectly honest, and regarding Tim Sui, Tim is
a great of the game in New Zealand, absolute great
of the game. He's a smart man and a smart cricketer.
The truth is, if he didn't stand down now, well,

(01:03:43):
on his watch, he would probably be losing to India
three to zero in the next series. That means he
would have a record of losing the last six test
matches for the black Caps, and that's a record that
probably no one wants. Ninety two ninety two. If you
want to send us a message at seven to six
on Newstalks, he'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
As ZEDB coming up to six o'clock on News Talk's
edb Heaps Detect and emails Jack. Let's remember JD Vance
Donald Trump both consistently lie. They both have extreme views. Jd.
Van says is much more slick in his lies. I mean,
I do think it's a very It is a curious
part of JD. Vance's history that once upon a time
he was so critical of Trump and now he's Trump's

(01:04:31):
running mate. Of course, that the distinction is that he
says he was critical of Trump before Trump was presidency,
but once Trump was president, he said Trump was such
an amazing president that he changed his mind and decided
to back him once again. That's the distinction he would
draw anyway. After six o'clock on Newstalks, heb we're going
to take a closer look at some of the debate

(01:04:52):
around climate adaptation. Inquiry into climate adaptation is currently underway
at Parliament's some really interesting little ti bits have come
out of it, including kind of cross party support from
politicians who say that there need to be much stronger
market signals for properties that are being built or currently
exist in areas that are going to be most vulnerable

(01:05:14):
to climate change. So, for example, if you've got a
house in a really flood prone area, or you're looking
to build a house in a really flood prone area.
They don't want that and they want there to be
some really clear market signals so that homeowners stop having
those properties in those kind of places. So we're going
to catch up with Indied Heralds willing to Business Editor

(01:05:36):
after six o'clock get the details on exactly what has
been agreed across those parties, as well as that Genesis
Energy is just announced it's going to be taking a
almost two thirds majority stake in charge Net, which is
New Zealand's largest evy public charging network. So we will
speak with the chief retail officer for Genesis after six

(01:05:57):
o'clock see why they're doing that, what it's going to
mean for the rollout of ev charges in New Zealand,
and what it'll mean for Genesis bottom line. It is
just coming up to six o'clock. I'm Jack Tame in
for Heather. This is Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
We have Business.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Meets Insight the Business Hour with Jack tame and my
Hr on News Talks MB.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
New Talks dB with Jack Tame in for Heather to
Placy Allen, a couple of climate change related e things
that are of interest for you before six thirty, and
I promise they are of interest. A number one channel
Infrastructure has announced they're looking at a potential bio fueled
refinery at Marsden Point, so we're going to take a

(01:06:54):
closer look at that. Plus the inquiry continues into climate
adaptation in Parliament and politicians from across the spectrum seem
to be looking to the market to send private signals
to homeowners so that homes aren't built in dumb places anymore.
I'll give you the details on those very shortly. Right now,
it is eight minutes past Sex and Genesis Energy is

(01:07:16):
spending sixty four million dollars on taking a majority sixty
five percent stake in charge Net, our largest ev public
charging network. The investment will enable charge Net to develop
more charging points and the numbers expected to double by
about twenty thirty. That, of course will help the government
with its goal seeing a national network of ten thousand
charges by twenty thirty. And Genesis Energy Chief Retail Officer

(01:07:37):
Stephen England Hall is with us now. Good evening, Stephen,
good evening, Jack.

Speaker 10 (01:07:42):
How are you Yeah, very.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
Well, thanks? Why do you want to be more involved
in the country's EV market.

Speaker 27 (01:07:48):
So we see the carbonization of transport has been critical
to New Zealand's future and the public charging infrastructure necessary
to make that happen as a key enabler and a
key driver. If you have accelerating Jim's duty towards NETS
or twenty fifty, what do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
You make of our network at the moment?

Speaker 27 (01:08:04):
Well, I think we're early stages. Like one of the
reasons we decided to back charge net is they're pioneers.
They've got the biggest footprint and EV charging infrastructure to
date in New Zealand.

Speaker 10 (01:08:14):
There's been ahead of the curve.

Speaker 27 (01:08:15):
And look, they've got a great plan to make charging
public charging more accessible and more economic for more people.

Speaker 10 (01:08:22):
When we want to back that and help bring that
to life.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
More economic for more people, how will that work?

Speaker 10 (01:08:27):
Well, the thing is owning and driving an EV is
cheaper than owning and driving and an internal combustion engine vehicle.
And we've seen that in not just in New Zealand,
but in many countries around the world where EV adoption
has been accelebrating and of course has become a much
more common scene or common sight as more people drive
ev is the cost of that service comes down simply

(01:08:48):
economies of scale.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
And so how much will Genesis taking on the stake
and charge Net speed up the rollout?

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 27 (01:08:57):
Look, what we're looking at doing is trying to work
out how we part with someone like Charging It and
be a leadership team and accelerate the plans that they
have in place. What they need to accelerate those plans
is capital and access to energy. People like Genesis, we
have those two things and we want to make sure
we bring them to the to be plus, we've got
you know, we've got half a million customers across the
Genesis portfolio and we feel that that's a great way

(01:09:19):
to start and driving more change and more adoption in
the ev industry.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Okay, So if Genesis were not involved, would the rollout
of the network from this point under charge Net, even
with their ambitious plans be slower or faster than with
Genesis being involved.

Speaker 27 (01:09:35):
I think it would be slower, I'd like to say
to be slower if we weren't involved. I thinks Big
evolved in bringing that capital and expertise to support them
and enable their plans. Probably the fastest way of executing it.
You know, when we look at our strategy as a company,
our gender vice commitments and our commitments to decarbonization ourselves
and supporting our customers on the journey. When we look
at New Zealand's I guess carbon footprint, but also the

(01:09:57):
economics involved in various industry is the finding pathways to
drive electrification of transport is a key is a key
factor across all those different territories. So having a double
the number of charge points by the end of the
decade is the commit we've made the charge it. If
we can make that go faster because the economics stack up,
we will definitely do that as.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Well to make it go faster. Do you need to
have incentives for the purchasing of EV vehicles?

Speaker 27 (01:10:23):
That's a great question.

Speaker 10 (01:10:24):
I mean, I think it centers always help.

Speaker 27 (01:10:26):
I think from an economics point of view, though EV's
are cheaper to own, the cheaper to operate, the price
of EV's is falling all the time. You can now
buy a brand new EV for less than thirty grand.
You can buy a mid range EV for less than
fifty grand. You know, obviously, if you want to be
a huge amount of money, you can buy luxury evs too.
But the prices are continuing to fall, and the more
evs we have in the market, the greater tune and

(01:10:47):
we're going to seem second hand vehicles and so forth,
and that will bring prices down as well. And from
a cost of ownership point of view, you know, running
an EV is considerably cheaper than running a petrol power
or a diesel car. And we think the economics over
time telling us that you know, the transition is inevitable,
even if the timing is a little bit less certain.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Yea, is it easy to make money out of charges.

Speaker 27 (01:11:10):
If you've got if you've got a decent footprint and
a strong customer following, then yes you can. You can
start to make money out of it. But it's not
a short term plan. This is a long term can
have a long term play supporting grater e the infrastructure
in New Zealand. So we don't anticipate to turn profits
on that quickly. We think that those profits will come
over time with doing the right things for customers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
And what does over time then we're talking five years fifteen.

Speaker 27 (01:11:34):
Look, as part of our announcement today, we've shared with
the market that we expect to see some positive returns
from this in the next few years twenty eight onwards.
That really comes down to know how fast we can
reinvest in the growth of that program. And as I
mentioned before, if consumer demand and customer demand is higher,
then we'll probably go faster, and if it think it's slower,

(01:11:56):
then we'll slow that down. But our plans suggest that
we can we can be offle business hit in this
investment within a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Yeah, all right. A question here from a listener which
is an interesting one.

Speaker 17 (01:12:07):
Jack.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Can you ask if having gen tailors involved in owning
EV charging networks, where presumably they won't be shopping around
for the best price for their customers, might not appeal
to a large number of EV owners. You've got an
answer for that, Stephen.

Speaker 5 (01:12:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:12:20):
Look, I mean I think the fact that we I
think there are two different things. One is as a
gen tailor, obviously we have a generation in a retail business.
We see charge net as an arms linked business that
we've invested in. We want to make sure they've got
access to capital and expertise, and we want to really
get out of their way to ensure that they can
execut against their plan. In fact, we would love more
and more customers doesn't matter.

Speaker 10 (01:12:40):
Which retailer, which energy retailer.

Speaker 27 (01:12:42):
There with, you know, you know, Dale welcome to use
that service. And if we think if that service is
excellent and it's well priced, then customers will use it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Right, But I suppose the question is will all of
the charge net stations be using Genesis Energy for their supply?

Speaker 27 (01:12:58):
Well, possibly that means a retail a retailer in their
own right so to speak, so they will be procuring
energy from the wholesteale market.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Yeah, yeah, right, Hey, thanks for your time, Stephen, appreciate it.
It is Stephen England Hall, Genesis Energy's chief retail officer.
Right now, it is fourteen minutes past six.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
EDB sixteen past six on Newstalks EDB. An inquiry into
climate adaptation has seen politicians of all stripes agree the
government should not try to stop the values of properties
that are vulnerable to the effects of climate change from plummeting.
Through this, they're looking to discourage investment in flood prone areas.
Seems to make sense, right. Janetibstrainey is the New Zealand

(01:13:44):
Herald Wellington Business editor and it is with us this evening.
Hey jan A, Hey, Jack, So just explain this to us,
because it's rare that we see politicians of all stripes
agreeing on anything, but this does seem like a bit
of a no brainer. Yeah.

Speaker 28 (01:13:55):
Look, I think this is interesting because this issue around
how do we respond to climate change? You know, do
we let communities stay in flood prone areas when there
are big disasters? Do we bail people people out? Do
we pay for them to relocate? If so, how much
do we pay? Do we compensate them fully? These are

(01:14:15):
really thorny gnally questions and I feel like politicians have
been putting off addressing this issue for quite some years. Interestingly,
now we have members of the Finance and Expenditure Committee.
These are politicians from across the political spectrum agreeing to
some high level principles around how we need to deal
with this issue going ahead. So they've done this inquiry,

(01:14:38):
they've released a report, They've agreed to some broad principles.
These are the ones you sort of said in your intro. Jack. Basically,
they're saying that that the government can't sort of stand
behind property owners and it can't protect people's wealth. So
if you own a property and your insurer decides, actually
this is a very high risk area, your premiums are
going to go through the roof. You might not be

(01:14:58):
able to get some type of insurance cover. You know,
that's really it's really hard your probably value, you're property
value fools. It's unfair, it's not fun situation to be.
And they're saying, well, we can't really do anything about that,
and in fact, we kind of need to see the
price of properties reflect the risk. And if the pricing
reflects risk, that will push people to live in in

(01:15:21):
safer areas. So it's actually quite a bold statement they're making,
just as a high level principal comment.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Yeah, what are the insurers saying.

Speaker 28 (01:15:31):
Look, the insurers are welcoming this. They want some direction
because you know, they're at the front line of this.
They're getting flat because they're adjusting premiums in line with risk.
They think it's great that politicians are signaling that they
might take some sort of lead. I think insurers will
also be pleased that politicians support risk based pricing. You know,

(01:15:53):
they support making people who are have properties in higher
risk places pay more because that is the you know,
that is the approach ensure As have been taking. And
there's always some debate around that because you know, do
you really make people pay what their risk really is
or do you share some of those costs? You know,
do you have a bit of cross subsidization. So it

(01:16:15):
sounds like the politicians are as siding with that. But
you know, this is all just commentary and a report
that the committee has published. We yet to see any
government policy or laws or anything like that that really
gets into the nitty gritty of how do we deal
with this? Now, just one more thing in this jack,
the committee members say that ultimately this is going to

(01:16:37):
cost us money. You know, if we're paying to relocate people,
for example, if there's another big storm, then we need
to think of ways of generating money to pay for that. Now,
to me, that sounds like there might be some sort
of future tax or levy to pay for it. So
that's the sort of gnali end that needs to be
worked through.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Perhaps less likely to be political consensus on that point today.

Speaker 28 (01:17:00):
Well exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
All right, hey, thank you, that is really interesting toenative
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Three past six on Newstalk's EDB Before seven o'clock, we
will tell you about the government's new push to get
counsels to do more building inspections remotely but in renewable fuels.
News Channel Infrastructure has announced a potential biorefinery at Marsden Point.
Jeremyhutton from Milford Asset Management is wh us now getay Jeremy, Hi, Jack, Yeah,

(01:17:41):
talk to us about this.

Speaker 24 (01:17:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 26 (01:17:43):
Channel Infrastructure, which is now a fuel importer and a
fuel storage provider based at the old New Zealand refinery site,
announced this biorefinery project yesterday. So a consortium of international
companies are looking at developing the site and they're looking
to reduce some sustainable aviation fuel for Australian airline contests.

(01:18:03):
There are a few others in the consortium, Renover and
Keen Energy. They're both experts and building renewable fuel projects.
Around the world, and A and Z is likely involved
to produce the finance as well. But effectively, what they're
trying to do is utilize some of the old e
commissioned refinery assets and produce sustainable aviation fuel, which is

(01:18:24):
very exciting and quite a good use of the old TETs.
But there are still a few unknowns, like whether the
biofuel be used locally or concerts will want to ship
it back to Australia. But investors really like this announcement
and they sent the share price up almost ten percent yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Yeah, it's amazing. So how does Channel bring in revenue
from this? How does the process actually work?

Speaker 11 (01:18:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:18:47):
So remember Channel is an infrastructure provider now only, and
the revenue it earns from this and other projects are
quite similar effectively renting out their storage units, companies using
their their land for rents and the use of their
pipeline and their jetties as well. And this creates a
really steady and predictable revenue stream which certain investors are

(01:19:08):
really really like. But there is an upside for Channel
and this project displays it. They've got a lot of
land and a lot of that's consented, which, let's face
it is very important these days. They've got the consent
to evictively expand more future energy and more future fuels
on the site and they're calling it the marss And
Energy Precinct. Now for the local communities, this is really

(01:19:31):
good news as well. There's potentially a lot more local
manufacturing and heavy industry's jobs returning and almost a re
industrialization coming back to New Zealand with a linkage to
more sustainable fuels. Is it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
What's next to the project and the Channel infrastructure?

Speaker 26 (01:19:47):
Yeah, note that the project is still conditional, but it's
gone a long way, but they're still financing to organize
and they're aiming to push go on this construction in
the second half of next year. The Channel's also got
some further plans afoot. They've got an invest today wind
up later this month which will delve into this energy
precinct a bit more. But from this news, I think

(01:20:07):
it's clear that international companies that are focused on this
area globally of renewable fuels are very attracted to the
Marsden Point site. You've got Ossie Energy Giant forcessed View
also looking hard. But with the quantists and the sustainable
aviation fuel projects. The future is potentially very promising up here.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Any idea, Jeremy, when they might actually be producing this
sustainable fuel or this biofuel.

Speaker 26 (01:20:36):
Yeah, hopefully pretty soon. They're doing a lot of testing,
still in a lot of internal work with this consortium,
but yeah, construction starting second half of next year and
hopefully not too long after that they're producing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Yeah, no, very good. Hey, thanks, Jeremy, appreciate it. Jeremy
Hutton there from Milford Asset Management. Before seven of the clock
will take you to the UK. The strikes from Iran
on Israel over UK forces got involved in supporting the
conflict at the moment, though scant detail to say the least.
So of course you didn't expect the Americans to be
involved right alongside the IDF at the very least coordinating

(01:21:11):
some of those defenses, maybe coordinating the response. But it
turns out the UK has been involved as well. So
we'll give you some detail on that very shortly. It
has just come up to six point thirty. Does you
with Jack Tame and for Heather this is News Talk ZB.

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If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Snarly all but of tension between the German and Chinese government.
So a Chinese woman has been arrested in Leipzig on
a suspicion of passing information about the Leipzig Airport, which

(01:22:21):
I think is used as like a key transport hub
for the German defense industry. She's been accused of passing
that on to Chinese intelligence. Of course, there are all
manner of diplomatic implications for this. At the moment, I'll
tell you a bit more about that before seven o'clock.
Right now it is twenty five minutes to seven.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Jack Team And as part of its.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
Housing push, the government has announced plans to make councils
do building inspections remotely. Minister for Building and Construction Chris
Penk says the building process takes way too long and
this will make things easier and cheaper. Some councils already
use remote inspections, but uptake at the moment is low
and practices vary. Malcolm Fleming is the CEO of New

(01:23:00):
Zealand Certified Builders and is with us this evening. Good
a Malcolm Good Evening Jack, So talk to us a
little bit about how a remote inspection actually works.

Speaker 11 (01:23:11):
So remote inspection works like this, so a builder is
ready for their inspection. And it could work just as
well in a very remote location and I've been trying
the McKenzie country, or could be work in a very
traffic congested place like Auckland. And so it would work
like this that the builder would have a video have

(01:23:32):
the camera and be directed by a building a council
inspector back at their base and asking them to show
particular parts of the building that they want us to check.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
Right, okay. So and when you say a camera, is
it just their phone the phone?

Speaker 11 (01:23:46):
Yes, the phone would do right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
So you basically just do like a zoom call or
a FaceTime call, just a video call between the inspector
back in the office, the builder and the building. And
how many things would they be inspecting during one of
these digital inspections.

Speaker 11 (01:24:02):
What depends on what the building inspection was for. Some
of those building inspections are for specific items, for example,
some structural steel that's been put in place, some tanking
that's gone on going on underneath, some tiling, some specifics
like that, or it could be for a pre line

(01:24:23):
inspection which is quite a significant milestone, or a final
inspection that the end of the project series.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Yeah right, So say, like for a typical house, what
would be the inspection that at the moment takes the
longest period of time.

Speaker 11 (01:24:37):
That would likely be pre line inspection. My sort of
view of NJ'DCB that remote inspections wouldn't be for those
big milestone inspections. It would work very well in tandem
with some other tools that are available for some of
the smaller aspects which can be quite time consumed, and

(01:25:00):
builders are often waiting on site for building inspectors to
be able to arrive on site, and so the whole
projects that a standstill.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Yeah, that kind of makes sense. So what when you
say there'd be small projects, what kind of inspections do
you mean?

Speaker 11 (01:25:18):
Well, sort of talking about so if you worked in
tandem with other things like say producer statements for example,
which dcvs are quite keen on. So what I'm talking
about there, So if we look at the tanking example previously,
if you allowed the applicator provide a producer statement to
reflect that it's been applied in accordance with the manufacturer's requirements,

(01:25:43):
that creates a level of certainty. It's a paper trail.
And then what we required then rather than a physical inspection,
a video inspection, the remote inspection would be the tick
box required to give the confidence to the building consent authority.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
That just seems incredibly sensible to me. The downside, what
you know, there must be some downsides to not having
inspectors there in person.

Speaker 11 (01:26:05):
Well, I've seen some of the commentary around and I
think it's accurate that there could be misre representation by
some builders in terms of there control on the camera
where it goes our view NGCB that this should only
be available to LBP builders and also LBP builders who

(01:26:25):
have got a proven track record with the council.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Right, okay, so so councils that already have so builders
that already have a relationship with council but have also
been shown to produce high quality buildings that meet standards
over a period of time.

Speaker 11 (01:26:41):
That and also for building inspections, are well prepared and
that they don't have rework that needs a re inspection
because that takes takes time. Those builders who don't use
the council as a building control syste them and a

(01:27:03):
review and sort of having to teach them what does
and what cannot happen. So I need if they restrict
it to LBPS and those with track records, that will
provide the conference to life.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
Yeah, right, So I'm just just trying to play things
out in my mind here. If there were a scenario
whereby a builder was having a remote inspection the inspector
wasn't totally happy with something and needed to inspect it
in person, that would require not only the digital inspection, right,
but also an on site visit in order to sort

(01:27:36):
out exactly what was wrong.

Speaker 11 (01:27:38):
What you're describing, I think would require a physical inspection
to follow up. And we're sort of advocating that physical
inspections should not be done away from tirely for the
milestone one we talked about earlier, they should still be
in place.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Yeah, in the final.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
I just wonder how it's kind of quite hard to
know given we only have limited use of remoteness at
the moment, but from the councils that are using them
in the moment at the moment, do you have any
idea how often a building inspector would end up doing
both the video inspection and then having to go out
on site as well.

Speaker 11 (01:28:14):
That's a good question. I don't have an answer to that,
but what would suggest that right now there is not
building because of the lower volume of building consents. They're
well down with that work. Yeah, r eighteen months ago, Jack,
this is a really great opportunity to start sort of
rolling some of these initiatives out. And as I said

(01:28:35):
on its own, I don't think it's a panacea, but
in the use of conjunction with other tools that are
available to the building consent authorities, I think together they
could create some efficiencies. It's not going to reduce the
material cost to build, but it will help reduce time,
and project time is money.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
Yeah right, yeah, so how much time could they say?
What are the potential upsides if this new system works well.

Speaker 11 (01:29:02):
Well in a busy building consent environment. So we were
eighteen months ago now waiting around for projects for building
inspections that could add weeks to a project. If you're
thinking about the finance holding costs to the property owner
associated with that, each week that goes by is a

(01:29:25):
is a cost, and it's also additional days and weeks
that contractors are on site. Yeah right, Okay, it comes
to the cost.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Yeah, I mean the thing that I'm sure many of
our listeners will immediately think about as something like the
leaky homes saga and worry that any relaxation of oversight
in the building and construction sector will ultimately lead to
a degradation and quality and we could find ourselves with
the fiasca that we have in the past. What would
be your message to those people?

Speaker 11 (01:29:55):
So my message to those people is to mitigate risk.
Do that by ensuring that you're builder is trade qualified
and aligned with the trade association. That, in combination with
those suggestions that remote inspections not be available to everybody
as a discretion of the Council, LBPS and those with

(01:30:18):
a good track record, that should mitigate risk for the homeowner.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
And Malcolm, as you mentioned, construction consents are well down
on where they were even just twelve months ago. So
how long will it take before this is standardized across
the country do you think?

Speaker 21 (01:30:32):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:30:32):
The government is going at pace with the whole range
of building consenting changes and proposals. This is the second
one this week, for example, so they've certainly got the
bit between the teeth and I must applaud them. Their

(01:30:53):
main driver is to reduce the cost of building in
this country and it'd be no argument from industry that
we do have high building costs. So anything that can
do lead towards producing that is to be applauded. So
they're on the right track. They've got to start getting

(01:31:14):
coordinated with some of these ideas and bring start bringing
them together and work with industry.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Well said, Thanks Malcolm, appreciate your time. That is Malcolm Fleming,
the CEO of New Zealand Certified Builders. It's quarters seven
on news talks EDB. We're taking you to Europe.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Next qunching the numbers and getting the results is Jack
Team with the Business Hour thanks to my HR the
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Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Thank you very much for your text. Jack. Remote inspections
when it comes to buildings won't work where complex and
multiple details need to be reviewed. I've been building twenty years.
The downside is simply that details will be missed by
inspectors and hidden by the builder. Where reworks are required,
the inspectors need to be on site to discuss with builder.
There are big limitations with all of this, and let

(01:32:03):
us not forget the leaky building crisis in the past.
Thank you for that, Sam Jack. Project time might be money,
but failures to detect issues can be extremely costly to repair.
Good planning, Negate issues with scheduling, inspections and work programs
ninety two, ninety two. If you want to send us
a message, time to catch up with our UK correspondent
Gavin Gray Good Evening, Devin Ai Jack, So, UK forces

(01:32:27):
were involved in supporting Israel and the conflict in the
Middle East after Iran launched a missile attack on the country.
What do they do?

Speaker 6 (01:32:34):
That's right, yep, that's right, Jack, and the Prime Minister
making a statement that was broadcast quite quickly and we're
not really being given very many details. The Defense Minister
has said, and I quote this evening, the UK played
their part in attempts to prevent further escalation. What does
that mean. We think it means that UK fighter jets
were involved. This isn't the first time in this sort

(01:32:57):
of whole Middle Eastern crisis of this year. They were
back in April under a different government when Iran last
attack to Israel with missiles. The interesting thing is the
two main parties are backing one another. So back in April,
labor back the Conservatives the party of government then and
vice versa in this most recent attack. Now, the Prime
Minister is stressing that the UK stands with Israel and

(01:33:20):
recognizing its right to self defense. But many in this country,
many in the Labor Party of government, will be very
uncomfortable that Britain had anything to do with this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Yeah, it's an interesting decision, isn't it, Because I mean,
Kiyostama has faced a lot of apprecia from protesters who
think that Israel's response to Hamas and that the bombardment
of Gaza has been wholly inappropriate, and of course the
Labor Party itself has faced criticisms in the past for
being anti Semitics. So how is he personally trying to

(01:33:50):
navigate this?

Speaker 6 (01:33:52):
Yeah, I think it's going to be very difficult for him.
He's not obviously going to please all his party all
the time, but this has been a pretty explosive issue
for him and it comes at the time, incidentally, with
six thousand British nationals in Lebanon. The first government chartered
flight is due to leave a little later today, but
of course we're just talking to three hundred on that,

(01:34:14):
so there's a lot of work for the government to do,
and it's going to be difficult for them to navigate
their way around this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
A Chinese woman has been arrested in Germany and accused
of passing on information to Chinese intelligence. What's happened?

Speaker 6 (01:34:28):
Yeah, this is at Leipzig Airport or Leipzig Halla Airport
as it's called. And it's been alleged that this thirty
eight year old woman who'd been working for a company
providing logistics services at the airport, has sent repeatedly details
on flights, passengers and cargo to another figure who worked
for China's secret services. Those are the allegations. Why does

(01:34:50):
this matter because Leipzig Airport is a real key transport
hub for the German defense industry. Indeed, often that airport
is used to send military equipment, for instance, to Ukraine,
and German sources are saying the defense company involved in
transferring a lot of this military equipment is a company

(01:35:12):
called Rhine Mattal, Germany's biggest defense firm that's been involved
in supplying Ukraine with weapons, armored vehicles and military equipment.
And this is potentially this arrest linked with another arrest
of another person a few months earlier, and They were
said to be working for a member of the European
Parliament for Germany's far right party, and it was said

(01:35:33):
that they had been receiving details of the transport of
military equipment.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
So why is Lipsy input of interest?

Speaker 6 (01:35:43):
I think it's just because of its position in the country,
the fact that a lot of the heavy industrial manufacturers
of defense equipment are based around there. The airport is
used by them to export their goods and as we know,
export their goods in this case, mostly to Ukraine at
the moment. So I think it's of interest to Russia.
What's being flown out by whom and when?

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Right now, workers in the UK should receive all tips
from customers under a new law which bends firms from
withholding the payments.

Speaker 6 (01:36:14):
Yeah that's right, Jack. I mean there are three million
people in the UK, England, Scotland, Wales that is not
Northern Ireland who basically could benefit from this law. We're
talking restaurant workers, cafe workers, those in bars, pubs, hairdressers
and indeed taxi drivers. And under the new law, all
tips must be passed through employees by the end of

(01:36:34):
the following month when they were received, and there has
been a real issue here that often tips are added
onto the credit card bill and the staff simply don't
receive it. It's taken by the employer, or a large
portion of it is taken by the employer. That's what
this legislation is aiming to stop. And the only sting
in the tale here, Jack is that workers will still

(01:36:57):
need to pay tax on their tips currently the law stack.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
I mean, how much how much is tipping culture thing
in the UK these days? It was always kind of
similar to New Zealand pretty muted, especially compared to the US.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
Oh, absolutely in comparison to the US. But you know,
I guess if you're working in a restaurant now, restaurant
prices have gone up, and if you're adding say ten
or fifteen percent, which I think a lot of people do,
then over the course of a day, that probably adds up,
particularly if your initial salary actually isn't that great.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Yeah, all right, hey, Thanksgivin, appreciate your time. That is
UK correspondent Devin Gray seven to seven. You're with news talks,
he'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Now net forget. Wild weather is expected across large parts
of the country this evening, especially over the next few hours.
I think they've got severe thunderstorms, TV reign expected. Aucklanders
facing severe thunderstorm conditions, wind gusts up to Ady Kay's
potential flash flooding. Southland might experience snowstorms, heavy rain, yadiada YadA.
It is, to say the least, probably not the calmest

(01:38:12):
evening on the weather front, so make sure you take
care out there and heat all the warnings. We're going
to have updates as they come through from the Met
Service for you on News Talks HEADB and on Newstalks
headb dot co dot NZ. Darcy Waldgrave is going to
be taking you through the evening with sports Talk right
after the seven o'clock news, digesting that announcement from New
Zealand Cricket Tim Soudi's standing down as the black Caps captain.

(01:38:34):
To close us out, though, Andy is on the beats
as per of your chosen for us bro filling in
on the beats. Oh come on, yeah, good to be
head Yeah, great to be here.

Speaker 29 (01:38:46):
People think Charlie x X is coming. I kind of
forgot who she was and I remember she's that British artist.
But yeah to lane Way. So there's been billboards popped
up around the ponts of the area in Auckland that
looks similar to her album right from her album Brat. Okay,
so yeah, it's gone. It's gonna pick on social media.
But that is going to be announced on October ninth.

(01:39:07):
And hopefully Charlie XIX will be coming to New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
Travy arm that's exciting, Okay, cool, Well, thank you sir,
thanks to Andy, Thanks to Libby for doing the tough stuff.
Thanks for your feedback. I am back with you and
for Heather tomorrow afternoon from four o'clock. Until then, have
a wonderful evening. See his own.

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