October 2, 2024 • 7 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, journalist Mark Sainsbury and Wellington Mornings host Nick Mills joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The partner of an Australian diplomat was allegedly involved in an altercation in central Wellington early on Sunday and authorities are looking to waive immunity to press charges. Do we think diplomatic immunity standards need to be changed?
The vice presidential debate took place today ahead of the November US election - what do we think of this? Who won the debate - JD Vance or Tim Walz?
The conflict in the Middle East is amping up, with Iran launching a significant missile attack over at Israel. Where is this going to end? Can a solution be found?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, local and
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Huddle this evening Nick Mills and Mark Sainsbury Journalist Mark
Sainsbury and Nick Mills of Corses Newstalks he Be's Wellington
Morning's hosts got accord to it. Sure, So Nick, let's
start with you. Is diplomatic community in this instance from
what we understand, fair well.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Mark and I go back a long long when we
will remember so many incidents like this that have happened
in Wellington in the past forty or fifty years, and
I've always not liked it. It's a part of his
that could be cleaned up and changed. This guy will
sneakily be sent back to Australia and the whole thing
will be pushed under a rug. That's what generally happens.
(00:45):
It's not a good thing. And this must be a
reasonably serious potential assault charge for the police to even
be bringing it forward. So yeah, I don't like it.
I think it should be it's a thing of the
past to stop people being arrested and terrorized and stuff
like that, and I don't think that it should be
happening in the modern world, if you break the law
(01:05):
in the country, if you're a visitor, I don't care
who the hell you are. Let's five oh one them,
I send them home.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, but wouldn't that be potentially risky for some of
our diplomats overseas?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Mark, Yes. And look, one of the things that I
really want to know, and I tried looking this up
this afternoon, was have we ever been asked and refused
the way diplomatic immunity? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Good, good question, because.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I understand and there's certain regimes you know, well Jack
that where it's necessary, maybe regimes are the less be
nine than our own. In fact, where you do need
to be able to survive, you do need that immunity.
But this is someone that at three thirty in the morning,
where they dreaming that we have a wild stab at
(01:49):
that there's something too, totally different sort of it's antisocial,
it's nothing to do with their job. Yeah, and it
really annoys you, you know, it really gets on your
goat when you sort of see this happened. Yeah, example,
So you know, it'd be interesting to see how Australia.
It's already right over the Australian press, so see, Yeah,
(02:11):
so it's going to be quite interesting how they respond,
because is it some reason for not waiting immunity? I
don't think so.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, no, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, Jack is an old saying that nothing good happens
after three point thirty in the morning, So he should
have been tucked up with it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's not saying that nothing good happens after about eleven pm,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I just I like, I like the three o'clock.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, you want to have a little bit of
a little bit of rigger room there. I mean, I
just maybe it's easier for me me to say this,
having not been in an altercation at three o'clock in
the morning and found myself in the south. But I
just think I'd be too embarrassed. I'd be so embarrassed
to go to the police and say, oh no, I'm
going to use my diplomatic community. Maybe you know, that's
the decision that one can only make when one finds
(02:57):
oneself and such a situation. So make what do you
make the vice presidential debate?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, yeah, look, gee, you and I are starting to
think so much alike. It getting to be a bit
of a worried Jack. Yeah, look, I thought that Vance
had the motional loose Yeah, and he and he came
across by not being an absolute loser. I was surprised,
how nervyer. But Tim wall see, you know, he got
a little bit sort of got things complated a couple
(03:22):
of times. But I still think, you know, he certainly,
he certainly warmed up. The most interesting thing for me,
of course, is this, do you know who Charles Curtis is?
For any chance, Charles Curtis, at nineteen thirty three was
the last American vice president to have a beard?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh? Yes, No, this is the kind of analysis we
pay you the big bucks for. Yeah, I mean, I
you're right, I mean Jadie Vance, I think, yeah, I
think all by us aside, regardless of your views, I
think Jadie Varans was clearly the better performer. But Nick,
is this really going to shift the race at all?
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, I've always felt that a little bit of a
smooth talker, slick slick Harry type guy. You know, he
just almost could be one of Donald Trump's sons, couldn't it.
You know what I mean? It's kind of like so
I've never kind of I just don't jelled for him.
Where too els to me, looks like the next door
the old next door neighbor that's mowing the lawns on
a Sunday and says, how you're doing, and you're okay?
Is everything all right?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, that's that's the as I get from him. It's
not going to make any difference at all. I mean,
who kids are, Damn? Who the who the vice captain is?
Who gives a ten? Damn who's the vice principal is?
We only want the top dogs.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll be back with a huddle
in a couple of minutes, Nick Mels and Mark Sainsbury.
Right now, it's fourteen to six.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
On the Huddle this evening, Nick Mills and Mark Sainsbury. Well,
the attentions in the Middle East certainly aren't calling off
in any way, shape or form. The run last night
launching strikes on Israel. Nick, how do you see this ending?
Or are we just stuck in a cycle?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, at the end of it, there's two conflicting
ideologies that just absolutely hate each other. I mean, that's
that's the bottom line. I mean, we all want the
same thing, peace in the Middle East. We're not going
to get it. I think I was really interested in
the guest that you had on earlier that said talk.
He was talking America. They're in an election cycle, so
they're not It's going to take a real major push
for them to get involved. But one thing that I
(05:20):
read today that really concerned me is seven hundred thousand
Americans living in Israels. I don't know whether you knew that,
but that's a big number. And if something starts to
look like they're going to be affected affected, well, of
course America will have to jump in. Usays are only
only hope of any even slightly toning it down. But
if we don't tone it down, God help us all.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, it's hard not to feel pretty pessimistic about the
whole situation. Sanzo.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah. Look, I wake up this morning and we watched
it tend on the BBC, just looking for live coverage
out of there is It's just one of those moments
I think, where is this going to go? You know,
it's also another moment I think, thank God we live
where we do, and it gets out of control. But
you sort of think, what is the endgame? Where is
the way out of this? Have two sides effectively wanting
(06:09):
to destroy each other, you know, has Balan remasks and
don't even accept the existence of Israel. You sort of go, Okay,
that's our starting point. Where do we go to from here?
But yet, yeah, and we watch this a humanitarian crisis
unfolding in Gaza, and you just feel you just feel
like a hopeless to be honest, det sort of watching
this sort of there's nothing we can do, yea, and yeah,
(06:32):
and and and and look at I mean Nick Yahoo
all the way through. I mean, you know, he's made
to stand there. They keeps him out of prison. And
that's and that's not to take anything away from the
atrocities that were foised on the on the Israeli people
starting in Octoger, but it just this just goes on
and on and you think, I just do not know
(06:53):
how it's going to resolve it stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No, No, it's pretty you've.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Thought it out in twenty four hours of course.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Apart from that, Yes, yeah, all right, guys, thanks for
your time. On that cheery note, Mark Sainsbury and Nick Mills.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
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The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, local and
global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Huddle this evening Nick Mills and Mark Sainsbury Journalist Mark
Sainsbury and Nick Mills of Corses Newstalks he Be's Wellington
Morning's hosts got accord to it. Sure, So Nick, let's
start with you. Is diplomatic community in this instance from
what we understand, fair well.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Mark and I go back a long long when we
will remember so many incidents like this that have happened
in Wellington in the past forty or fifty years, and
I've always not liked it. It's a part of his
that could be cleaned up and changed. This guy will
sneakily be sent back to Australia and the whole thing
will be pushed under a rug. That's what generally happens.
(00:45):
It's not a good thing. And this must be a
reasonably serious potential assault charge for the police to even
be bringing it forward. So yeah, I don't like it.
I think it should be it's a thing of the
past to stop people being arrested and terrorized and stuff
like that, and I don't think that it should be
happening in the modern world, if you break the law
(01:05):
in the country, if you're a visitor, I don't care
who the hell you are. Let's five oh one them,
I send them home.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, but wouldn't that be potentially risky for some of
our diplomats overseas?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Mark, Yes. And look, one of the things that I
really want to know, and I tried looking this up
this afternoon, was have we ever been asked and refused
the way diplomatic immunity? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Good, good question, because.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I understand and there's certain regimes you know, well Jack
that where it's necessary, maybe regimes are the less be
nine than our own. In fact, where you do need
to be able to survive, you do need that immunity.
But this is someone that at three thirty in the morning,
where they dreaming that we have a wild stab at
(01:49):
that there's something too, totally different sort of it's antisocial,
it's nothing to do with their job. Yeah, and it
really annoys you, you know, it really gets on your
goat when you sort of see this happened. Yeah, example,
So you know, it'd be interesting to see how Australia.
It's already right over the Australian press, so see, Yeah,
(02:11):
so it's going to be quite interesting how they respond,
because is it some reason for not waiting immunity? I
don't think so.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, no, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, Jack is an old saying that nothing good happens
after three point thirty in the morning, So he should
have been tucked up with it.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's not saying that nothing good happens after about eleven pm,
isn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I just I like, I like the three o'clock.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, you want to have a little bit of
a little bit of rigger room there. I mean, I
just maybe it's easier for me me to say this,
having not been in an altercation at three o'clock in
the morning and found myself in the south. But I
just think I'd be too embarrassed. I'd be so embarrassed
to go to the police and say, oh no, I'm
going to use my diplomatic community. Maybe you know, that's
the decision that one can only make when one finds
(02:57):
oneself and such a situation. So make what do you
make the vice presidential debate?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Well, yeah, look, gee, you and I are starting to
think so much alike. It getting to be a bit
of a worried Jack. Yeah, look, I thought that Vance
had the motional loose Yeah, and he and he came
across by not being an absolute loser. I was surprised,
how nervyer. But Tim wall see, you know, he got
a little bit sort of got things complated a couple
(03:22):
of times. But I still think, you know, he certainly,
he certainly warmed up. The most interesting thing for me,
of course, is this, do you know who Charles Curtis is?
For any chance, Charles Curtis, at nineteen thirty three was
the last American vice president to have a beard?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh? Yes, No, this is the kind of analysis we
pay you the big bucks for. Yeah, I mean, I
you're right, I mean Jadie Vance, I think, yeah, I
think all by us aside, regardless of your views, I
think Jadie Varans was clearly the better performer. But Nick,
is this really going to shift the race at all?
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, I've always felt that a little bit of a
smooth talker, slick slick Harry type guy. You know, he
just almost could be one of Donald Trump's sons, couldn't it.
You know what I mean? It's kind of like so
I've never kind of I just don't jelled for him.
Where too els to me, looks like the next door
the old next door neighbor that's mowing the lawns on
a Sunday and says, how you're doing, and you're okay?
Is everything all right?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, that's that's the as I get from him. It's
not going to make any difference at all. I mean,
who kids are, Damn? Who the who the vice captain is?
Who gives a ten? Damn who's the vice principal is?
We only want the top dogs.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll be back with a huddle
in a couple of minutes, Nick Mels and Mark Sainsbury.
Right now, it's fourteen to six.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the
marketing of your home.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
On the Huddle this evening, Nick Mills and Mark Sainsbury. Well,
the attentions in the Middle East certainly aren't calling off
in any way, shape or form. The run last night
launching strikes on Israel. Nick, how do you see this ending?
Or are we just stuck in a cycle?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, at the end of it, there's two conflicting
ideologies that just absolutely hate each other. I mean, that's
that's the bottom line. I mean, we all want the
same thing, peace in the Middle East. We're not going
to get it. I think I was really interested in
the guest that you had on earlier that said talk.
He was talking America. They're in an election cycle, so
they're not It's going to take a real major push
for them to get involved. But one thing that I
(05:20):
read today that really concerned me is seven hundred thousand
Americans living in Israels. I don't know whether you knew that,
but that's a big number. And if something starts to
look like they're going to be affected affected, well, of
course America will have to jump in. Usays are only
only hope of any even slightly toning it down. But
if we don't tone it down, God help us all.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, it's hard not to feel pretty pessimistic about the
whole situation. Sanzo.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah. Look, I wake up this morning and we watched
it tend on the BBC, just looking for live coverage
out of there is It's just one of those moments
I think, where is this going to go? You know,
it's also another moment I think, thank God we live
where we do, and it gets out of control. But
you sort of think, what is the endgame? Where is
the way out of this? Have two sides effectively wanting
(06:09):
to destroy each other, you know, has Balan remasks and
don't even accept the existence of Israel. You sort of go, Okay,
that's our starting point. Where do we go to from here?
But yet, yeah, and we watch this a humanitarian crisis
unfolding in Gaza, and you just feel you just feel
like a hopeless to be honest, det sort of watching
this sort of there's nothing we can do, yea, and yeah,
(06:32):
and and and and look at I mean Nick Yahoo
all the way through. I mean, you know, he's made
to stand there. They keeps him out of prison. And
that's and that's not to take anything away from the
atrocities that were foised on the on the Israeli people
starting in Octoger, but it just this just goes on
and on and you think, I just do not know
(06:53):
how it's going to resolve it stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
No, No, it's pretty you've.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Thought it out in twenty four hours of course.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Apart from that, Yes, yeah, all right, guys, thanks for
your time. On that cheery note, Mark Sainsbury and Nick Mills.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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