Full Show Podcast: 21 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.
Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get
connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today.
Sports Minister Chris Bishop on whether we really even have
a shot at hosting the America's Cup again. We're going
to go to court for the opening day in the
un fay bowel case. Black Caps coach Gary Stead on
how good it feels to beat India in India for
the first time since nineteen eighty eight. And Transport Minister
Simeon Brown on the first Road of national significance announcement
happening right now.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Heather Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Well, as predictably as the clock striking twelve twice a day,
here we are with another America's when America's Cup went
under our bouts and we're talking yet again about whether
the America's Cup should be held in New Zealand. In
one corner you've got Helen Clark, who says kiwis need
to and want to witness a successful event at home.
So it's all about the fields and then the other corner.

(01:00):
David Seymour says, we're two brokes, so it's all about
the dollars. Look, I think I'm like most people. It'd
be nice if it was back here. I wouldn't say
nos that I'd enjoy it. I'd go out go watch it,
wouldn't you. But I don't want us to waste any
money on this right. This has to be above all
treated as a business decision, because that's what it is.
It is a business decision. It's a business decision for

(01:23):
Grant Dalton. He will sell the hosting rights to the
highest bidder, like he has this time around with Barcelona,
which was prepared to pay more than we were to
host the event, and that is the right thing for
him to do, to treat it as a business decision.
He would be a fool to take less than the
highest offer. And it's a business decision for New Zealand
as well well. We should be prepared to pay to
host the America's Cup, but no more than we can

(01:43):
make of it. There's no point whatsoever in losing money
on the America's Cup, which is what happened last time
around when we lost one hundred and fifty million bucks plus, which,
to be fair, was exacerbated by COVID. But we shouldn't
be expecting some sort of a favor from Grant because
Grant is a Kiwi citizen and we're a bunch of Kiwis.
If we accept it's a business decision, we're gonna have
to strip out the lingering anger that we appear to

(02:04):
have at Grant Dalton's attitude in his way of going
about stuff. We have to strip out the nonsense about
sailing being an elitist sport. It may or may not be,
but it's also something we're just damn good at and
we should be proud of. And we also have to
strip out any kind of sentimentality that we deserve to
have some sort of a nice event here. You don't
deserve to have a nice event if it's gonna cost
us millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars

(02:24):
that we do not have because we're broke. This is
a transaction in which we want to make money. We
want to come out in the black on this one.
And then on top of all of that, we have
to accept another fact, which is we're playing with the
big boys now. We're playing with the Saudi Arabias and
the Barcelonas, and some of those guys have got very
deep pockets, and it already sounds if you listen to
the people in Team New Zealand, it already sounds like

(02:45):
we don't really have a shot. So even if we
do put our best foot forward, it might not be enough.
We're just gonna have to leave it at that, because
if the event comes back, it should be coming back
because New Zealand wants to make money off the event.
Nothing else ever do for c Ellen. Nineteen nine two
is the text number our standard text fees applayer you
welcomed away and now Health New Zealand. Hey geez, these

(03:07):
these guys just can't cop a break for reasons to
do with their own incompetence. They are under fire again
for spending sixty two thousand dollars for catering a three
day conference of three hundred health leaders. The bill included
cannapays for nine thousand bucks, so it was thirty odd
dollars each per head. The food bill was sixty two
thousand dollars that included two buffet breakfasts, two morning teas,

(03:30):
two lunches in the cannapase, and on top of that
the venue higher costs of the cake tin came in
at another sixty thousand dollars. Now joining us on this
is David Wills, the National director of the Nurses Society. Hi,
David Cara, what do you make of this?

Speaker 4 (03:48):
I think it's a bad look more than anything else,
particularly in current circumstances. I mean, they spent, according to
the figures that we've got from the Aura, one hundred
and nine thousand dollars on that venue and the conference.
That's about the equosent of hiring one nurse, to be honest,
But from a bout point of view, it's a bad

(04:11):
look in the current circumstances, and obviously I don't think
they'd do it now. It would be much better to
do a meeting like this online, like a lot of
other meetings that they've regularly had.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Why they do it even then? I mean the way
that you no disrespect for you to you, But the
way you've answered that question, it sounds like they know
they're in the stock now, and they didn't know they
were in the stock then they knew full well that
they were in the financial stock. Then they shouldn't have
done it then.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, it's fair criticism that where they wouldn't do it
now because they're under extra pressure with the need to
get under their or their budgets supposedly overspent by one
point seven million at the billion over at the moment.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
But the only difference between now and then is that
we know this publicly, how much financial trouble are theren
They already knew it when they were holding the conference.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Certainly at that stage it was becoming clear that there
were problems, mind you. I mean, we don't see the
problem as an overspend vite tout or generally it's a
question of underspending the sense that they hired more staff
than they have budget for and they delivered more services
than they've got budget for, and that they think them

(05:31):
in a very difficult situation, both with the government and generally.
So it wasn't a question that you know, there was
extravagant spending of this hype across the board, but you
don't want to give ammunition that you don't want to
make pr mistakes like this, and a conference like this

(05:53):
was it es central arguably not could they have done
it online? Three hundred leaders brought together for a meeting
over three days with the Minister. I think it was
ill advised.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
David. What was the point of the conference?

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Well, I was supposedly bringing together the Hair three and
key force for business managers for who are now in
full time positions and roles. Given it's eighteen months down
the line at that stage from the restructure, so supposedly
a meeting to discuss a whole lot of plans going

(06:32):
forward here the Minister and such like that arguably could
have been done online. They've done a lot of online
meetings since their establishment. We've been on the receiving end
of some. It's the sensible way to go.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
All, David, I really appreciate your time. Mate that David Wills,
who is the national director of the Nurser's Society. Look,
I don't care about spending thirty bucks ahead on cannapese, right,
that's probably what I don't. I don't know. I don't regularly.
I don't know about you. I don't regularly cater cannapes
on at people. But it's probably around about what you
would expect to pay I would imagine per head for cannapase.

(07:06):
My problem is why they're having a conference at all.
The conference. This is apparently what it was about. Connecting
with our strategic context means understanding the priorities from our
authorizing environment. This includes the Minister of Health and our
board chair speaking to the expectations of us as a system.
I would have thought it was pretty simple. What the
expectations of us as a system is. Do some hip operations,

(07:27):
do some knee operations, try not to kill people, hire
some nurses. Don't blow your budget? Like how hard? Why
do people need to get together all the time for
just random weird meetings about stuff. It happens in every workplace.
Ef a meeting about this? Why you know what your
job is? Just do your bloody job anyway. I just
I feel like maybe the solution to this is just

(07:47):
to go. You know what, conference is canceled, No more
public sector conferences. You want to have a conference, have
a teams meeting the end. That would solve this problem.
You don't need cannapase for a teams meeting anyway, would
be a hard time. I was your finance minister as
you can see, so I'm not for multiple reasons. But
Nikola Willison's and she'll be with us after six o'clock
on that hither giving granted a knighthood would be a

(08:09):
good start. This is Grant Dalton. Do you think given
grant knighthood would be more or less popular than the
knighthood we gave Jacinda? I can't decide who people like less.
Quarter past.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
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Speaker 2 (08:38):
Jason pine sports stalkhast with us. Now, Hey Piney, Hey,
Heather Piney. How much of all of the stuff that
happened in the weekend did you actually manage to watch?

Speaker 6 (08:45):
I watched a lot of it. Yeah, I watched a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (08:47):
I haven't had a lot of sleep, I must say,
because the unfriendly time zones and Barcelona and end up
in the UAE. But man, what a weekend. I can't
think of a better weekend and recent memory for our
sports teams and athletes.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Okay, so that explains me how the White Ferns was
so rubbish and now they've done this, have managed to
take the World Cup. How'd that happen?

Speaker 6 (09:08):
Well?

Speaker 7 (09:09):
I can't explain it or apart from thinking that it
must be something to do with the momentum of getting
a win in the first game of the World Cup
against India and then just carrying that momentum and that
belief and that confidence on that really is the only
explanation I can come up with. It certainly has got
nothing to do with the lead inform, which, as you say,
was just atrocious. No one expected this, but well they

(09:30):
often say cricket's a funny game, and T twenty is
the funniest brand of the funniest game.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
And look they you have to hand it to them.

Speaker 7 (09:37):
You know, this team that has been has been widely
written off in the last year or so, has basically.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
Done when it counts it, Yeah, peak when it counted.
It's a triumph. It's a triumph for peaking when it matters.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
That's too right, Hey, Liam Lawson. Has he proved himself
do you think?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (09:55):
I don't know whether he had to, but he has
ninth from twentieth. You know, he was back the grid
because of a situation beyond his control. Where yet to
start at the back of the grid finishing ninth, which
picks up some points so I don't think there was
any doubt that Liam Lawson belongs in a seat in
Formula One. He's got six races five more now this
year to prove it. Unless something goes horribly catastrophically wrong,

(10:16):
he's got that seat again full time in twenty twenty five.
But so good to see him back racing.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Did you think that the Auckland Football Club looked like
trouble for you?

Speaker 6 (10:26):
Trouble for me personally?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
You're a Phoenix fan.

Speaker 6 (10:28):
Oh wonder what you were getting at?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Ah?

Speaker 7 (10:32):
Look, I'm very impartial hither as you know. Look I
love being at Mount Smart on Saturday. I thought it
was a terrific atmosphere. The crowd that turned up was amazing. Kudos,
huge kudos to the marketing team at Auckland FC for
building something and attracting people along to it.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Was terrific.

Speaker 8 (10:47):
Oak.

Speaker 6 (10:47):
There's much more of.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
It, brilliant stuff. And India right us beating India in India?
Can we repeace?

Speaker 8 (10:52):
That? Do you reckon?

Speaker 6 (10:53):
Well?

Speaker 7 (10:53):
I hope so two more test matches. Last time they
did that here there was nineteen eighty eight. I don't
think you were even around. I had hair back then. Man,
incredible a long time since that happened. Yeah, well, two
more test matches we'll soon find out. Hopefully it's not
a flash in the pan. By the way, how good
is rightch and Ravendra answer?

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Incredible?

Speaker 9 (11:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
And how good are the silver ferns after all of
that as well?

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Oh yeah, we've got them as well. Yes, true, there's
so much to look at.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I mean, we absolutely will winners this past weekend and
probably your dopamine levels are going to come right back
after this. Pinty, thank you very much, mate, really appreciate
its Jason pine Sportstalok Cost seven o'clock back this evening
on Newstalk Zibi. I was mount smart as well. Piney
was there, so was I and it was in the
lucky enough to get invited by the AFC to this

(11:35):
like massive corporate lounge that they had. It was not
special at all. It was just chock a block with people.
Bill Foley, who's the guy from the States who's put
the money into it. I gave a speech beforehand. I'll
tell you what I thought was interesting that he said, here, reckons,
AFC are going to win the premiership in three seasons now.
He did a similar thing with the San Francisco team
and I can't quite remember what code they were, but
I think that that was ice hockey. And he said

(11:57):
a similar thing because he put his money into them,
backed them financially, same way he's done with the AFC,
and he set them a time limit as well. He's like,
you're gonna win this particular league with an X number
of years, and they did that. So watch the AFC
guys because he's got money, right, He's got the pockets
to be able to afford the best. I mean, there
are spending caps, there are caps on salaries and stuff

(12:19):
like that, but the behind the scenes guys are just
as important. And he's prepared to put the money in
into the marketing, into the coaches, into all of that stuff,
all the chief executive, the whole lot, right, and really
back these guys. So wouldn't be surprised if AFC wins
it within two or three years. Keep an eye on that.
And by the way, people are going nuts for it.
I took a friend of mine along. Her husband's already

(12:40):
bought the full kit, but even before they'd played their
first game, he's bought the full kit, and the kids
were at the game and they're just going to go
completely nuts. So Auckland is ready for this. For twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
The name you trust to get the answers you need
Heather Dup to c Allen drive with one New Zealand,
let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
The news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Heather on the football. With the backing of the money,
it's hard not to feel bad for the Wellington Phoenix hither.
I think the Auckland FC success shows you what a
terrible mistake it was to create a New Zealand team
for an Assie league and then put them in Wellington.
That's probably actually a fair point, right, because if you're
going to create a team that you want the country
to get behind, why would you put it in a
smaller city when you could put it in a bigger
city anyway, or the biggest city. We'll see how it

(13:18):
goes full twenty five. Now. Chris lux And the Prime
Minister's holding the post cabinet press conference right now and
he is facing a number of questions on the Andrew
Bailey situation. He is very very very keen to just
reiterate that Andrew is not going to go to another
vineyard and tell somebody that they are loser and take

(13:40):
a bottle of wine and f off back home and
then pull the old finger. It's not going to happen again.

Speaker 10 (13:43):
No, he clearly got this wrong. He calls hurt and
insult on an individual. His behavior was inappropriate and wrong.
He's admitted as much. He feels mortified by that. He's
apologized to me, He's apologized to the person importantly, and
you know that's and that's and it reassured me that
that's not going to happen again going forward. That's what
I'm interested in.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I think it's probably a safe bet to say that's
not going to happen again as it who makes the
same bad joke twice. But here's an interesting thing on this, right.
So it turns out, remember how we were talking to
We were talking to Andrew Bailey about it, yes last
week on Friday when it came out, and he feaced
up to us that the reason that they'd basically gone
public with it was because Old may It was having
the wenge and complaining about it, sent the email, had

(14:22):
informed all the opposition parties, And turns out he'd sent
the email. This is the complainer complainer winge Fest sent
the email to the Marti Party and the Labor Party
and the Green Party and also the Prime Minister's Office
at the same time. Now here's the twist. It now
turns out that the email was then recalled by Parliamentary
It So Parliamentary Services wrote to the Marty Party and

(14:45):
the Labor Party and the Green Party and they were like, hey,
that was spam, we're recalling it.

Speaker 9 (14:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
The question that Luxon has faced is whether the Parliamentary
IT Service did that at the instruction essentially of the
National Party, which he was a little but like, well,
I don't know what I was in a meeting. I
don't know anything about this, so we actually don't know.
But anyway, that's the situation. Simeon Brown is going to
be with us Barry Soopaul will cover it off when

(15:10):
he's with us. Shortly. Simeon Brown is going to be
with us after half past five. We're going to talk
to him about what's going on with Wellington City Council.
I'll explain that in the tech also the Roads of
National Significance announcement. We'll explain that to headline's next.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
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Speaker 3 (15:33):
Let's get connected and news talk because it'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know, hey, today is the first day of the
young Faye Baal murder case. This is the real estate
agent who was murdered I think June last year. So

(15:57):
day one today of the court case means that we
should find out today what the crown's argument is for
why the sky that they've alleged murdered her, why he
murdered her, what his alleged motive is here? And the
interesting thing about this is that we have no idea
what the argument is. I mean, even though this thing
happened way more than a year ago, we still don't

(16:19):
know what is alleged to have happened, or even why
they or how they came to discover her body, because
remember like a year past before they managed to find it.
So anyway, we're gonna go to our reporter in court.
They've just picked the jury today and the opening selection,
the opening arguments should have started to take place, so
we're gonna check him with our reporter five plus ten
and hopefully we'll have some answers on Grant Dalton hither

(16:40):
the difference with Grant and Jacinda is that she's actually
he's actually done some good for the country. Yes to
sir Grant, Heather, Grant, no problem, just Cinda's knighthood. Vomit, Heather.
I love Grant Dalton. What he achieved is absolutely amazing.
He does it his way and why not he does
it his way? He does? And why not would be
because so a lot of people don't like him now

(17:02):
because of the way that he does it. But I mean,
if he's comfortable with that, and he seems like he's
got a thick skin, oh this is the problem, right.
I think everybody would understand if Grant was like, listen,
this is a business thing. We're going to take New
Zealand to the world. You're going to be proud of us.
Here we go, we've got to grow up and move
out of the country. If he kind of sold it
like that, I think people would be okay with it.
But his attitudes it's just a little bit it's a

(17:22):
little bit sort of like beat do you know what
I mean? And that's what people don't really like about it.
But hey, if this is the way that he wants
to do it, like from one ambrasive person to another,
you want to be abrasive. That's totally cool. You just
have to live with the consequence, isn't it? Twenty three
away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's the world wires on news Dogs. They'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
They roots and other parts of Lebanon have been hit
by a series of Israeli air strikes. The israel Defense
Forces say they're attacking a financial institution linked de Chez Bulla.
Al Jazeera's Laura Khan is in Beirut.

Speaker 11 (17:50):
There's Thad's people of course, evacuating, running out very quickly
forcibly displaced and many people are just staying out on
the streets wait for this to be over in order
to come back. So there's are highly populated areas to.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
The King and Queen's Australia tour. They're in Canberra today
for a few official engagements. People have been queuing up
all day for a glimpse.

Speaker 12 (18:10):
They're really personable, they really care about the people.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
And when we heard that they were coming, we were
so excited.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Day have we changed up plans and even took a
day of school. That comes now.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Olli Peterson on that shortly and finally our place enter
in England has said has had to apologize for putting
up Halloween decorations that were a little too scary. Some
parents were complaining that some fake dead bodies wrapped in
rubbish bags hanging upside down in the play center might
have been just a little bit much for the kids
to be able to cope with. A spokesperson for the

(18:42):
place center says they took the decorations down as soon
as they got the complaint.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind
for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Business Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Live presenters with us
OLLI Hello, get aheaders. So what's Lydia Thorpe just done?

Speaker 11 (18:58):
Well?

Speaker 13 (18:58):
She has just been removed from an official ceremony for
the King at Parliament House. As he finished his speech,
she was yelling out and I think we have some
of what she said.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
Take a listen, No we don't.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Unfortunately we don't know it. That's all right.

Speaker 13 (19:14):
So this is not your land, she yelled out to
the King. He was walking away from the podium after
saying his final words at the Great Hall in Parliament House,
and she was yelling from the back of the room
this is not your land.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
You are not my king.

Speaker 13 (19:27):
And security just came and obviously have kicked her out
of the part. This is an Australian senator. Obviously we're
talking about Lydia Thorpe. It's been the only speed bumping.
What has been overall a really joyous occasion. As I
talked to you now here that all the twenty four
hour news channels are wall to wall with people going
to see King Charles in Canberra. My niece got to
see him yesterday. She was just walking through the streets

(19:47):
of Sydney after a tennis lessen and she sent me
a little video. She was so excited to see him.
So you know, he's doing the rounds, he's got official engagements,
he's been meeting members of the public. And you know
who says that Australians don't like them, Well, hold.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
On a second. Your niece is just wandering down the
street and she bumps into the King as a thin crowd,
isn't it.

Speaker 13 (20:07):
She just finished tennis, Like He's what happens in Australia.
Like you just walk around, there's a king, getto mate,
there's a private getta elbow. I mean, you're from New Zealand,
like you know your.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
It happens here exactly I'm surprised it happens. It's your people.
Why was he only at that lunch for ten minutes
though it's at luncheon his honor.

Speaker 13 (20:27):
I know, you know what, and I just I think
I think he's just feeling it.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, he's not.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
He it's obvious.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
So what he showed up, had the first course and
then bugged off to have some nuts. Correct, did what
he had to do.

Speaker 13 (20:40):
You know, look at everybody waves, smile like he probably
never come back here again, you know, unfortunately sadly.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, but you know it's good to see him out
and about. He's coming to New Zealand, isn't he? Next
he gave us the bump? What do you know that?
You're just rubbing it in? You absolutely know that. How
about the ntbull though? Did you enjoy that?

Speaker 13 (20:58):
Why don't we talking you know what what you're on that?
Why don't I give you some real praise with the
cricket like New Zealand beating India over the weekends amazing,
so good, and.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Then the cricket ladies took out the T twenty world
come over the weekends and then we beat you in
the football, the Auckland team, you beat the Brisbane team
in the football.

Speaker 13 (21:17):
Look at one big happy family when we want to
beat when it's on my team.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Next you're going to be like, it's just a part
of Australia, don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Hey, how expensive is this unlawful sacond going to be
for quantas?

Speaker 8 (21:29):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (21:29):
Big time, huge, massive if this is replicated, and it
should be because remember seventeen hundred workers were still down
or illegally sacked.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
It was in the end through the COVID years.

Speaker 13 (21:38):
Three of the men offered one hundred and seventy thousand dollars.
Now we're talking about this now having the potential of
over fifty million dollars plus ground crew compensation. So the
Transport Workers Union is going to go really hard at
the National Carrier over this. Justice Michael Lee said today
helps some sort of common sense could prevail. So he's

(21:58):
ordered the union and quotas to meet about the total
amount payable to the unlawfully sacked baggage chandlers and cleaners.
Some people are saying could get as highs one hundred
million dollars, but fifty seems to be the mark. So
you know, watch the fact that your airfares are about
to go up.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Oh man, that's not good. Hey, would you pay, by
the way, on speaking of money, would you pay five
thousand bucks to have a dinner with Elbow? Well that's
what he charges, right, is that on one? Or is
that okay?

Speaker 13 (22:23):
So this is basically to get what they call a
labor round table. So you get the PM, and you
probably get most of his inner sanctum, so you might
get the treasurer, turn up in the Foreign Minister and.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Whoever else is available.

Speaker 13 (22:34):
But five grand for a boardroom lunch or a dinner
with the Prime Minister and some of the members of
his cabinet.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
So he does this.

Speaker 13 (22:42):
He does this, He does this regularly and effectively. If
you want to be part of the club that even
qualifies to hold these sorts of lunches or dinners, you
have to pay anywhere from thirty thousand to one hundred
and ten thousand dollars a year just to have the
privilege of in fighting the Prime Minister to your offers
or your boardroom.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
So you have like an entry level fee. So you
have the entry level fee just for the ability to
then potentially bump it up to a dinner.

Speaker 14 (23:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (23:08):
Correct, So let's just say for arguments sake. You came
to Perth, Heather, we want to put on a lunch.
I mean, I reckon, we get what ten thousand bucks
a ticket?

Speaker 15 (23:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Oh hard out more than Alba for sure. And we
need it so we could buy the same kind of house. Yeah,
I love the way you're thinking. We could do that
all right, and Ollie, thank you very much. She's a
business opportunity. Oliver Pederson six PR Perth Life Present. By
the way, this is Lydia Thorpe's protest. She'd be fun.

(23:56):
She'd be fun at a party, wouldn't she. That's her
before she's on the raz. Imagine what she's like.

Speaker 16 (24:01):
It'd be worth five thousand dollars for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Oh, I'd pay five thousand dollars to go to dinner
with her, wouldn't you? And then because I'd take my
phone and then I'd just wait for it to cack off,
and then I'd film it and then I'd make money
off the video. That would be my business deal there, Hey,
speaking of none of the like, just changing the subject
completely from trying to make money off other people's misfortune.
Gary Stead. Gary Stead must be feeling some sweet vindication

(24:25):
today because it wasn't that long ago. I mean it
was about three or four months ago that people were
calling for him to quit as the coach, will be
sacked as the coach because the team was doing so
badly because of the early exit from the T twenty
World Cup, and it was like and Gary has not
had the easiest run with us. I mean, it's not
the first time we've called I wasn't me, by the way,
I'm not taking any responsibility for this, but we collectively,

(24:46):
it's not the first time we collectively have asked for
Gary to be shown the door. Right, Well, what just happened? Hello,
first victory in India against India since nineteen eighty eight.
He's going to be with us in a half an
hour's time. We'll just let him crow about that if
he wants to Quarter to.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Two politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get
payment certainty, Barris.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Seeing your political correspondence with us, Barry, Hello, good afternoon.
I was a scale of one to ten. How hard
is the press gallery going on? The Prime Minister over
Andrew Bailey's outsign?

Speaker 17 (25:15):
Well, you know, the first significant part of the post
cabinet news conference today was taken up with the gallery
questioning Luxon on how the Andrew Bailey issue was handled. Now,
the point that Luckson was making, and I think it's
a fair point that he when Luxon raised it with

(25:35):
him with Andrew Bailey, he apologized profusely. He had attempted
to do that earlier before it got to the Prime
Minister's office. But the person who complained obviously was doing
the round. To be clearly, this is politically motivated because
it didn't only go to the Prime Minister's office. The
complaint from this person where to all the other political leaders,

(25:59):
the Party, the Labor Party, the Greens. They all got
this complaint from this person. And you know, I don't
know what a minister has to do, but this is
to me like a dad joke gone terribly wrong. And
to expect a minister or a Prime minister to say

(26:19):
he should surrender his warrant because he made a silly
mistake at a factory is patently ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
On a scale of one to ten. How hard is
the media going, because it sounds to me like they're
going quite hard for Andrew Basis, Like, as far as
the press gallery is concerned, this is a really big
deal and it's not you know, how about okay, so
how about this business about so the insinuation and has
come around again. The insinuation is that the National Party

(26:51):
got in touch with Parliamentary Services and told Parliamentary Services
to withdraw the email from the Labor, Greens and Marty Party.
That's the allegation.

Speaker 17 (27:00):
Late, wouldn't it. They'd already have the email and they
don't have to surrender an email. They got through this.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
So can I say, where's the proofs? Gallery is asking
absolutely impossible thing to It's theoretically possible, but there doesn't
seem to be any proof that Announce did this.

Speaker 17 (27:17):
No. No, the other issues that were covered and this
was the main one, which is ridiculous. Sam and Brown
he's received advice from his advisors on the Wellington City
Council what to do there. He said he'll be now
considering it. Team new Zealand, the Prime Minister was asked
about are we going to put up any money to

(27:38):
Team New Zealand to host the event here? Prime Minister right,
and he says, well, that's over to Team new Zealand
where it's hosted. You know, they're open to having discussions
with them and that's as far as it can take.
It can go there, Solicitor General, the guidelines that you
put out the judiciary saying that mild he appears before them,

(28:00):
I have to take special notice on ethnicity grounds. The
Prime Minister has said, look, everybody is equal under the law,
and he's pleased that the Solicitor General has seen sense
and withdrawn that.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Oh he's pleased. Judith tidied it up.

Speaker 6 (28:14):
Well, Judith, clearly Judith.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Tidied it up. Nobody wants to go toe to toe
with Judith Collins. Chogham has start and SAMOI.

Speaker 17 (28:21):
Am massive when you think about, you know, the Commonwealth
Heads of Government meeting being in a tiny Pacific country.
They're expecting an RP of four thousand people. Our four
hundred and sixty personnel are being supplied by New Zealand itself.
Defense police ambulances even are being shipped out to or

(28:43):
Ship's probably wrong in Simuol's case, but they're being sent
to assist in what is a massive meeting. I've been
to these Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting, which I like
to call chaps holidayg on government money because and they
will certainly do that. In Samoa, King Charles is there
and the Queen Elizabeth used to go to many of

(29:06):
the Childers until she got a bit long in the
tooth to travel. I remember the first one I went
to was in the Bahamas, of all places, in Nassau
in nineteen eighty five with David Longhi and the Britannia
was birth there. Now, you know, when you look at
the scale of these things in a tiny little country
like Samoh hosting it, I think it's incredible and it

(29:29):
will I guess, as Winston Peters would say, highlight you know,
the Pacific itself and a small country in the Pacific,
because chogham has never been held in a country as
small as Samo before.

Speaker 15 (29:43):
Really is it?

Speaker 18 (29:44):
Never?

Speaker 17 (29:44):
No? Never?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Amazing? Hey, very quickly, what do you make of the
Health Ministry cannopse?

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (29:50):
Well, I'd like to taste one. It was thirty two dollars.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
No, it's notty dollars a cannope, it's a per head,
so you'd have.

Speaker 17 (30:00):
It was written as though it was thirty four dollars.
And I know they were salmon. They would have been
terribly expensive, but that if that was the case. But look,
this came at a time was inappropriate at a time
when the Health Ministry was complaining about major deficits and
going into the red in a big way. And they

(30:20):
hold a conference giving out CANape as nineteen nine two
hundred dollars, lunch and breakfast sixty thousand dollars. I mean
they locked after the health boffins pretty well.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Very thanks very much, very so for senior political correspondent
siving away from five putting.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
The tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

Speaker 9 (30:42):
Breakfast, the business of the America's Cup, the team you
Seeland boss Grunt dottings with us. We'll have the usual
post America's Cup conversation.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Now if you locked the team down? Are you locking
the team down?

Speaker 9 (30:51):
What are you doing with all of that? Well, nothing yet,
itally just afterwards, but there's a conversation that will happen
pretty quickly. And I know after all and we did
a very thorough review, asked ourselves the question, we've just
lost this America's Cup. Why did we lose it? And
you have to come up with the right answers because
you go to make decisions these way to put it
as the decisions that are made in the next six
months will be the winning and the losing of the

(31:13):
next America's Cup. And that's the same for everything. You
make your decisions now and you better get them right
back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Raindrobe the Lamb News Talk ZB.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Here the calm down. It's one win for the men's cricketers.
They are more than likely to get pumped in the
next two and lose the series. And Gary still needs
to go. Andrew, thank you very much. Now on Wellington
City Council. I was going to tell you about this
before Barry got to it, but I'm glad he touched
on it because it reminded me I do need to
tell you about it. Cabinet would probably actually have talked
about whether they should intervene in Wellington City Council today

(31:44):
because they because Samon Brown's got the advice already, right
He said last week would be one or two days
before we got the advice, so he'll have got the advice.
Most likely they thought about it today in cabinet. There's
an outside chance that it goes to cabinet next Monday.
He just doesn't want to announce it. Today's pretty cagy
on it.

Speaker 19 (32:01):
I have received it and I'm considering it. Well, did
you say I'm not getting into the details of that.
I've received it and I'm considering.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Anyway, he's gonna be thats after half past five, so
we'll see if we can get anything out of him
to that the mayor. Cha's honestly, I mean, you can
see from a mile off this is not gonna work right.
Tory is Tory wants this to work, but a Tory
wants it to work according to the way that Toy
is gonna make it work.

Speaker 16 (32:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
There's no there is you can see there's no consensus here.
She's not playing fair. She has put out eleven principles
for where the cuts can be made at Wellington City
Council to try to get this long term plan across
the line. No cuts for water infrastructure, no cuts for
projects under contract or construction, maintenance or renewal budgets, social
housing projects like pool de gassification where cancelation rates would

(32:47):
increase rates. Or projects aimed at growing the city's economy,
which includes the Golden Mile revamp which basically leaves rats
and mice to be cut not gonna happen. He's gonna
have to intervene. She's just making the case for him anyway.
Chris Bishop on the Marror Cup.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Next, pressing the newspeakers to get the real story. It's
hither duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected, Newstalk.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Said b.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Hey, good afternoon. Well as predictably as night is followed
by day A, Team New Zealand America's Cup win is
followed by a debate about whether New Zealand is going
to host the event again. Team New Zealand boss Grant
Dalton wouldn't rule it out this morning.

Speaker 9 (33:29):
It is not off the table. It has never been
off the table. So if a amazing team can be
kept together and we believe that we can win, and
we can fly a viable event at home, we're coming home.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
A lot of IF's in there those sports Minister Chris
Bishop is with us now, Hey.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Chris, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Do you want to host it?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Well?

Speaker 20 (33:47):
I think New Zealanders will be up for it if
it works economically and Tea New Zealand actually want to
have it here. It's ultimately it's over to them. We've
had it here before. I mean, people enjoyed it, particularly
Auklanders does for benefits for the country, but you've also
got to do it or not. Do you know, think
about the flip side, which is that times are tight.
As everyone knows, there's no magic money tree at the

(34:09):
end of the garden, so we don't have an unlimited checkbook,
and you're dealing with quite big sums of taxpayer money here,
and we've got a lot of pressing calls on government
resources for investment. So there's a bit of water to
go under the proverbial bridge.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yet, yeah, totally, do we know how much money we
would like, what our cap would be before we basically
start losing money on it?

Speaker 20 (34:30):
Well, I think, you know, that's that's a hard question
to answer. I think there's a wait, a wee way
to run yet. I mean, firstly, let's just congratulate the
team and celebrate how amazing it was and incredible achievement
and they've all done extremely well, so let's enjoy that.
But then let's see where Team New Zealand want to
go as well, because ultimately it's over to them. They're
they're the defenders, they've won the Cup, they get to

(34:50):
decide where they hosted it.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
They're just going to go for the money, aren't they.

Speaker 20 (34:54):
Well, at the end of the day, I heard grunt Dalton,
you just played the clip there that you know he's
keen to come home if it's if it, but you
know it may not work for them. So if they
want to host it here, the government's up for a
conversation about it. But I'm just making the just making
the obvious point which I think taxpayer would expect me
to make, which is that there's not unlimited checkbook here.
We've got a lot of calls on our resources for

(35:16):
taxpayer investment. It's got to work economically for the country
as well, and you know we'll have to do an
assessment around that and see what the value proposition is.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
So you're sounding a little bit reticent here. Is that
simply because the reality is that we are never going
to be able to outbid the Saudi Arabias of this world.

Speaker 20 (35:37):
Well, if Saudi Arabia is in the mix, then I
think most New Zealanders would take the obvious from that,
which is that we can't compete. Right, Yeah, So let's
just be let's just be completely free and frank about it.
We're not going to outbid some of the people whom
potentially or some of the countries that might be in
the mix to host.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
So then the English is the reality that in order
for us to win it, we'd need grant to do it.
Give us a give us a friendly discount.

Speaker 20 (36:01):
Look, it's Team New Zealand's decision as to where they
host the next Cup, so the ball is in their court.
Let's see where they get to. The government's up for
a conversation around it. You know, we're happy to sit
down and have a discussion around it in the same
way that the previous government was and previous governments of both.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Stripes before that.

Speaker 20 (36:21):
So we're happy to have a conversation about it. But
I'm just simply making the obvious point, which is that
there's not an unlimited check book here. The Crown books
are deep in the red. You know, there's no magic
money tree down the end of the garden. There's a
lot of things that people want us to spend money on.
So we're up for a conversation. But it's got to
work for us, and it's also got to work for
Team Who.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Calls who though? Do they call you or do you
call them?

Speaker 20 (36:43):
Well, it's the day after the America's Cup, so I
suspect Grant and the rest of the team celebrating, and
that's fair enough, and I'm sure and due of course
they'll be turning their mind to where they they where
they want to go into the future. And we're ready
and willing to have a conversation.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Geez, what about that weekend to sport? Does this make
you the most successful sports minister in the history of
the country.

Speaker 20 (37:03):
It's been pretty amazing, Like it's just incredible. Team usier
than the White I mean the White fans, you know,
first first victory in T twenty ever, I mean the
black Cats, first victory in thirty six years in India.
I mean I was five years old when we last
want to test in India. It's just amazing. And we
should have forget about the panel pedal ferns as well,
they've had no publicity, but the pedal fans there we go,

(37:24):
you know, won the World Champs.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Showing your depth as the sports minister there thank you
for that. Best appreciated, Chris Bership, Sports Minister five eleven Heather.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Due to CLA now, the murder.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Trial in the case of the real estate agent who
was killed Juan Fei Ball has started in the High
Court in christ Church today. The Crown says that Tinjun
Chow murdered Bell. He denies it. News Talk ZB reporter
Emily Ansel has been in Caurt today. Emily. Hello, Hello, Emily.
We don't actually know very much about this guy. We
don't know very much about what his motive might have been.
Has the Crown said anything about it today?

Speaker 21 (37:56):
You they have today. We all went in a little
bit blind. But the Crown's opening address from Prosecutor Cameron Stewart,
they said that he said that both Boo and Cow
knew each other through exchanges on the Chinese messaging at whiched.
It appears BeO was helping Caw find Chaw sorry, find
a job. There needs to have been in New Zealand
for a few months. And the Crown then argued that

(38:20):
Chow had potentially lured Bow to a house for sale
on Trevors Street, which he said he was interested in
seeing and she said was available. It's there that the
Crown say she was assaulted. That's what we've heard sort
of so far about their relationship. However, one thing to
note is missus Stewart said the Crown doesn't actually need
to prove motives here. However, her remains suggested, or a

(38:42):
photo rather that they found on mister chilesbone suggested there
may have been a sexual element based on this photo
which is of a body of a female.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Okay, now it took them that this is the police.
It took them more than a year to actually find
her body, and eventually they found her in a shallow grave.
Do we know how them managed to find her?

Speaker 21 (39:02):
We do now know a little bit more so. Yeah,
as you say, the grave was pretty shallow, just fifteen
centimeters along a tree line of private farmland that farmland
had already been searching. So the difference here or the
discovery was to do with the break through on Misspell's phone.
The phone itself was only sort of partially looked at
or investigated or able to be extracted initially by police

(39:25):
because of a protective pin number, but then this was
figured out a few months before her body was found,
and from there they were able to access data such
as Apple health data, which ended up recording the exact
number of steps taken by the person with her phone
after she was last seen across the farmland and around
that tree line area where she was found so that

(39:46):
was a pretty significant development.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Emily, thank you for running us throught Emily Ansel Newstalk.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Xavier Reporter together duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Goldris has lost her appeal against her shoplifting convictions. Now
Justice venning Is was the the judge who heard the case.
That they didn't seem to buy the argument that Golera's
Garman can't land a job at the International Criminal Court
because of her convictions. Basically, it appears the problem isn't
actually that Goleris has been convicted for this, it's that
Golera's next stuff that's the problem right there. She needs

(40:17):
a practicing certificate from the Law Society here in New
Zealand if she wants to go and practice at the ICC,
and she hasn't got a practicing certificate from the Law
Society in New Zealand. And when the law society comes
to consider whether she is fit and proper to be
a lawyer, they're not going to consider the fact that
she's been convicted or not. Marganis considered the fact that
she went into scott He's a next stuff and did
it repeatedly. So if she, if and only if she

(40:41):
gets the practicing certificate, then the job at the ICC
becomes possible. It's not possible now she has't got a certificate.
So he did not buy that argument about the whole
job at the ICC business. Anyway. He did also consider
whether a conviction was unfair for what she did, and
he decided no, it was actually fair. And so that
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Allen nineteen past five. Listen, we're going to come back
to the Andrew Bailey kafuffle that's been going on with
the press gallery over in Wellington at the moment right now.
In amongst all of the key we sporting success of

(42:17):
the weekend, the black Caps have managed to win, as
Chris Bishop was just saying, before a test in India
for the first time since nineteen eighty eight. The second
Test starts on Thursday. Head coach Gary statters with us, Now,
Hey Gary, Hi there, Heather, congratulations, how on earth did
you guys manage this?

Speaker 9 (42:33):
Well?

Speaker 14 (42:33):
We had a little bit of luck with the toss
that probably, well, it didn't fall our way, but it
ended up doing that. So they India got stuck on
a wet wicket and we managed to bolb beautifully then
and then get a good lead. And I thought the
guys played really really well throughout. And it's always nice
to put into your under pressure over here because they're
a very, very tough team to beat.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Totally, Do you feel vindicated, Gary, because it wasn't that
long Agoma is only a few months ago people were
calling for your head because of the performance at the
TEA twenty World Cup.

Speaker 14 (43:00):
And now look, Nah, it doesn't change anything I do.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Really, that's a game. Doesn't get into your head at all.

Speaker 14 (43:08):
Nah, it's a game. Look, I mean if you worry
about stuff like that, you get your mind gets taken
away from the game. So we have a lot of
trust and belief in what we're doing as a team
and as sport. As you can see with many things
that have happened around the world, you get winners and.

Speaker 15 (43:22):
Losers and that's just part of the part of the sport.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Have you guys got a bit of a captain's curse
going on?

Speaker 15 (43:28):
No?

Speaker 14 (43:28):
I don't think so.

Speaker 13 (43:29):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Well, what happened to Tom Latham. H Well, I mean
he's out for fifteen and then he's out for a
duck because he's become the captain. Meanwhile Tim Southy who's
no longer the captain.

Speaker 14 (43:42):
Beautiful, Well, maybe we change it around all the time.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
You think, I think you should like you basically give
it as a punishment to members of the spots they
do poorly from test to test.

Speaker 14 (43:53):
Look, I mean it's a tough job being an open
batter in world cricket. And look Jasper b Boomer who
got Tom them out yesterday as one of the best
around and it was. It was very very challenging early
on and for Rust only lose two wickets in that
first speller was pretty incredible really, so I thought, there's
a lot of courage shown by everyone out there.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
And listen, I understand you watched the women in the
final of the T twenty their own World Cup. What
do you reckon happen there? Because they were really bad,
you know, in the lead up to this tournament and
then all of a sudden I just pulled through.

Speaker 18 (44:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (44:25):
Look again, it comes down to knowing where you're trying
to head as a team and what you're trying to do,
and I know that they had had trust and what
they were doing. They played some very good teams in
the lead up, and results don't always completely give you
a full picture of where things are at. And I
think it's always easy as a fan that you want

(44:46):
to see wins all the time, but it's unrealistic and
international international sport, and look, I'm just delighted for the
players there and the staff, and I know the hard
work that goes on behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Hey, Gary, listen, thanks very much, and good luck with
the remaining two tests. That's scary, stead the black Caps
coach hither I agree on the approach read the America's
Cup asn't treated like a business decision. But if it
isn't going to be held here, then we need to
drop the name Team New Zealand. Listen, I get a
lot of texts suggesting we need to drop the name
Team New Zealand. I think that's really short sighted because
can you imagine the benefits that we are getting right now,

(45:21):
if not if only for our boating industry, a marine
industry in this country from having the name Team New Zealand.
That's free for us that they are calling themselves Team
New Zealand and basically doing promotion for New Zealand. I'm
grateful for that. They can host the Bloody Cup wherever
they want, as long as they keep calling us Team
New Zealand. Five twenty two.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Simon Brown's good. By the way, the first road of
national significance is the Hawks Bay Highway Expressway and it's
going to be four lane and Simon Brown's going to
talk to us after the headlines about that.

Speaker 17 (45:59):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It is five twenty five. Now the press gallery, as
we've been discussing, is going hard on the pre Prome
Minister today on the Andrew Bailey thing. And the latest
twist is that the guy who complained about it sent
an email to three political parties, being the Labor Party,
Green Party, a Marti Party and for some reason the
email was recalled as being spam and the journals are
now asking if the National Party had ordered Parliamentary Services,

(46:20):
who run the IT system, to recall the email as spam,
so the opposition parties wouldn't see it. So far, they
haven't ponied up any evidence to suggest the NATS actually
did do this, So we're going to assume at the
stage that until and if some evidence does emerge, what
we're actually dealing with is just the original case, which,
as Andrew Bailey calls a guy a loser. With the

(46:41):
benefit of a few days over the weekend, I think
we can see that the whole thing is just a nothing.
I mean, obviously not everybody sees it like that. Clearly,
the press gallery are worked up, and there was a
noble effort that was made over the weekend by a
few people on blogs and social media and in columns
to blow this thing into an almighty example of how
the Born to Rule National Party sneers at the working
But it really wasn't that. I mean, if you've met

(47:03):
Andrew Bailey at all, you know he's a bit eccentric, right.
He once dragged a sled to the South Pole. I mean,
how many of us want to do that kind of stuff, right,
And his eccentricity comes through in his jokes and his
interaction with people. He's a dad joker. He makes lame jokes,
and this is obviously one of them. Now you've got
to be suspicious about the other guy involved in this.

(47:23):
The motivations of the guy who complained, the fact that
he went to the opposition parties indicates he was happy
to make this a political drama. And if you read
his letter, which has been released in full, I mean
he's trying very hard to do the old woe with me.
I've been hurt and humiliated routine. And when someone overdoes
the old SOB story about how uncomfortable they were made
to feel to the level that this guy has, I

(47:46):
always suspect that their actual complaint and they know it
is petty and pathetic and they're having to hype it
up actually in truth, Andrew Bailey handled this well. Right
after he'd heard the guy had taken offense, he wrote
to a letter to to apologize. It did implicate the guy.
The guy went to the opposition parties. Andrew Bailey Frontfoot
did it, release the letter and released his apology publicly.

(48:06):
Apart from being weirdly cagey about the facts in the
interviews on Friday, what else could he have done? He
apologized and apologized again. What else could he have done
right there. But for the grace of God, go all
of us. Hands up. Who hasn't made a really lame
joke at work?

Speaker 6 (48:22):
We all have.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Most of us are lucky, we're not MPs. Most of
us are lucky we didn't come across this winger when
we made the joke so we could go and complain
about it publicly. This is just actually a run of
the mill, put your foot in your mouth moment, short
of some more evidence to make some other claims stack up,
short of that emerging, it is not the political drama
that some would have us believe. As I say, Simon

(48:44):
and Brown's gonna be with us very shortly and huddle,
got Josie and Tresh. We're going to talk about what's
been going on at duneed and if you haven't seen that,
we're coppying the world headlines for the sign at duned
and I'll tell you about it.

Speaker 19 (48:55):
And just to tick.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
News is next, hard questions, strong opinion ever due for
see Allen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
and news talk as that be.

Speaker 11 (49:11):
Falling maybe before the first time.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Maybe it's.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
A very good point on the text. It's that we've calculated.
We've been told how much this Health New Zealand conference,
all all the cannapas told how much that costs. Doesn't
take into account the accommodation and the flights for three
hundred people as well, and how do you know how
many of them coming out at Wellington? So Nikola Willis
is going to be us after six we have a
chat to her about that. The huddle standing by now
our work has started on the first new road of

(49:43):
national significance. It's the Hawks Bay Expressway being expanded into
a four lane highway. Transport Minister is Simeon Brown A Simn,
how are you? I'm very well, thank you. Before we
get to the roads of national significance, Wellington City Council,
did the intervention thing come up at cabinet today?

Speaker 19 (49:58):
Look, I've received advice and I'm considering it in regards
to the next steps in terms of Wellington City Council.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Okay, So if you decide that you intervene, you want
to intervene, that goes to cabinet. If you decide you
don't want to intervene, does it go to cabinet?

Speaker 19 (50:12):
Well, ultimately under the Act it's a ministerial power which
I have to take into account the legislation. It's a
serious issue. But obviously, as I said, I've received the advice.
I'm now considering it, so.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
You don't have to take it to cabinet.

Speaker 19 (50:26):
Well, it's a ministerial it's a ministerial power that's under
the Act. However, you know, with all of these things,
consultation with colleagues is important. But as I've said, look,
there's some serious issues here that we've asked for advice on.
I've now received that advice and I'm considering it.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Okay, did you see the eleven principles that came out
today that Tory Faro has laid out for her counselors.

Speaker 19 (50:46):
Oh, look, I haven't seen that yet. I mean, obviously
I met with the mayor last week and she raised
a number of you know, a number of areas that
she's looking at in terms of trying to address the issue.
But as I said, this is a signific can issue
for the Council to relitigate its entire long term plan.
I've asked for some advice in terms of the intervention powers,

(51:07):
and I'm considering.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
That advice now. The reason I ask if you've seen
these eleven principles is that it feels like she's ring
fencing and safeguarded. She's just laying out the rules, right,
She's like, you can touch anything, but you can't touch
these things that are important to me, which hardly feels
like the kind of spirit that is needed around that
table to actually get things done. And I mean, do
you feel convinced at all that you are seeing signs

(51:29):
from either side that they actually can achieve some sort
of consensus here.

Speaker 19 (51:33):
Well, I think the key thing here is, as I
said last week, this decision made by the council to
effectively re litigate the entire long term plan is concerning.
The focus here is on the impact potential impact on ratepayers.
That's what we're concerned about. But as I said, I've
asked with some advice, which is now delivered to me
by How can now be considering?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
How come you guys met last week and neither of
you raised the intervention possibility. That's weird.

Speaker 19 (51:59):
The reality is, you know, we both acknowledged that I'd
asked for advice, I had not yet received it at
that point. I've now received it and I'm considered.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
But did you guys, like for the whole meeting just
talk around it.

Speaker 19 (52:13):
Well, I'm not going to go into the detail of
the meeting, but the reality is, you know, she outlined
some of the plans she has to try and address
the issue. But the key issue here is the Councilor's
decided to religate its entire long term plan. Our governments
focus here is on the impactful potential impact on ratepayers.
We're now we've received advice in regards to the next

(52:33):
steps on that and I'm considering.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It, okay. And when are you going to make a
decision do you think, Well, I.

Speaker 19 (52:38):
Need to take time to consider it as a serious
issue under the Government Act, and we're considering.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
It, okay. This road, when do you expect to finish
this road in Hawks Bay?

Speaker 19 (52:47):
Well, the advice I've got from MZ had to be
three years of construction to deliver the first stage, which
is the most critical stage, which is the stage which
was started early works. Today holds about twenty ninth or
about twenty nine thousand cars move on that road each
and every day, and it can get incredibly congested during

(53:08):
peak hours. And I think I'd just say to the
good people of Hawks Bay, this road would not have
started early works today. If they hadn't devoted for national
at the last election, this is great news.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Listen to why did you decide to go for this one?
First though? Is there a project to be pround around
the country.

Speaker 19 (53:22):
Armies, assuanz Eta is. Look, we've identified the roads of
national significance. This is a program of roading upgrades to
unlock economic growth and productivity across New Zealand. I've said
to them we need to find the opportunity to get
early works under construction, to get to construction as quickly
as possible. We want to be a government which gets
things done, and so I've been looking for opportunities. The
great thing here is this is designated road. It's already

(53:44):
got a designation in place. They're using sand sorry are
they using silt which is from the cyclone. They're using
it to compact the ground so that they can bring
forward the full construction next year on this important road
and national significance.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Brilliant stuff. Hey, Siman, thanks very much for talking us
through at Simi and Brown, Transport Minister with New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Southby's international realty, local and global exposure like no other.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Well, the heddle of this has even got Treshurson, Shirson,
Willis pr and Joe SPEERGANI child fun Ceo. Hello ladies,
Hello Jose. We're not going to see the America's Cup
hosted here, are we?

Speaker 12 (54:14):
I doubt it very much. And that's the problem, right,
if we're paying, If we were thinking of paying one
hundred hundred million dollars, what are we getting in return
for it? We would have to have viewing rights, we'd
have to have it hosted here, we'd have to have
a whole cost benefit analysis. But the thing I was
thinking about this today, Yeah, we won at the America's
Cup yesterday. It was not on any of the front

(54:37):
pages of the global newspapers except maybe tiny, you know,
little stories, So it's not the global event, not even
in the UK really, I mean, it was just it
was in the I don't know, I was on the
front page, but it was a small story. None of
the US papers I could find I couldn't find it.
It was a small story in the Times in the UK.
So it just isn't that big global event that it

(54:57):
used to be. So what are we getting, like a
hundred million dollars? You could get a hell of a
lot of good pr for New Zealand some other way.
On principle, I wouldn't mind spending that money if I
thought we would get the benefits for it. We're just
not going to get them. And frankly, I don't quite
trust Grant Dalton and Team New Zealand to prioritize hosting
it here anyway and bringing it home.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
What do you think, Trisha.

Speaker 22 (55:21):
On the one hand, New Zealand's major events pipeline is
wide open.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
We have a lot of holes in that calendar. Nothing,
nothing in that bucket.

Speaker 12 (55:32):
Sort of tumbleweed goingweeds.

Speaker 22 (55:35):
But this is not This is not the America's Cup
that we grew up with with Sir Peter Blake. This
is a totally different thing. And I went and had
a lot today. I think that the biggest clue has
probably already been given about the next venue, and that
was given by Mateo Mateodnora, who has been Team New

(55:57):
Zealand's a big backer for years and years, and he
was in an Italian newspaper and he said that if
the next series is to be held within two years,
it would either stay in Barcelona or go to the
Middle East. Don't forget for the first time last year
as part of this America's Cup, there was some prelim
racing in Jetda in Saudi Arabia, and it looks like

(56:20):
from what Matodinora said that you know, the Saudi Arabia
would be high up on that list.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
We can't compete. We just don't have the kind of money. Yeah,
I just think we need to get realistic about it. Now,
what do you reckon, Josie. Is this Andrew Bailey business?
Is this born to rule sneering at workers from the
National Party or was it just a dad joke that
was poorly received.

Speaker 12 (56:41):
Look, I think it's just silly. It was a silly
joke that backfired. It's not resignation material, and you start
to devalue the call for resignations if you make this
a reason.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
An atmostoperic columnist at the weekend who said he needs
to be stripped of his so.

Speaker 12 (56:57):
Andrew Barts wrote a column, you know, and she had
a good point about well. I think the point that
she made that resonated with me was that even if
you think the joke was just a dad joke that backfired,
there is a political risk for National that they start
to look and sound like the party that's out of
touch with New Zealanders. And we're seeing that in the

(57:17):
polling for Luxe. And even if you don't think it's true,
you know, fifty more than I think about fifty percent
of us think that he's out of touch with most
New Zealanders. So there's a danger that this just feeds
into the narrative. Doesn't matter if Andrew Bailey meant.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
It or not.

Speaker 12 (57:31):
And I think and I do think that's a real
risk for national.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
But not worth losing your job over.

Speaker 12 (57:37):
Oh definitely not. I mean, you are just devaluing a
call for resignation you think this is I mean, you
look back on Joe I remember when John Key, you know,
he got rid of Phil Heatley, wasn't it for not
declaring two bottles of expenses and so on? And you
know that seemed like a bit of overkill, but he
was kind of wanting to prove that he was a
strong leader. And then Phil Heatley came back shortly after that.

(58:00):
You know, he did some time in the in the
naughty corner and then came back. So you could argue
that maybe Luxenerby wanted to show that he's the sort
of political hard man that we're not sure he is. Maybe,
but that's just politics, right. I don't think in principle
this really warranted a reason.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Trisia, what you take, but I'm going to get it
after the break if you don't mind.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
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Speaker 2 (58:24):
All right, we're back with the huddle Tricius and Josip Biguanni. Tristia,
what do you make of the Andrew Bailey situation.

Speaker 22 (58:29):
Well, it's one of my favorite shouts in politics because
it always makes me smile when they always say, that's right, resign,
you know in the house when if anything happens, but
whatever happens from here, it will actually be a judgment
on political judgment.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
And someone much wiser.

Speaker 22 (58:47):
Than me today said, and I thought this was very
stage advice that in politics you don't have to be
liked by your colleagues, but you have to be trusted
in your political judgment. And I think you know, serving
up Friday front page headlines to your hard working leader

(59:07):
who already, as Josie has pointed out, is struggling with
a perception around national about sort of political judgment overall,
and just you know, it's an easy narrative for the
other side to bet in about, you know, national ministers
who are out of touch. I think those will be
the questions in Chris Luson's mind, not for now. But

(59:31):
it's the kind of thing that you just save up
for down the track when you're weighing up different.

Speaker 12 (59:37):
The resignation call does get checked around all the time,
doesn't it. And I remember once you might have even
been hosting it.

Speaker 16 (59:43):
That was on Q and A.

Speaker 12 (59:44):
And I called for Jerry Browny's resignation very you know,
loudly and principally that he should resign to you he'd
walk through an a New Zealand security check or something
without being checked or something like that.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Nothing.

Speaker 12 (59:58):
It was a nothing thing, and Jerry's love and called
his resignation And ended up the airport trying to get
my way into the Crow Club to get a free
glass of wine, and Jerry says, I'll get you in.
I'll so I ended up sitting in the Courrow Club
drinking wine with guys.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I don't mean it.

Speaker 15 (01:00:12):
I don't mean it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Yeah, that's lovely. That's the only thing that you want
out of it is everybody forgives in the end. Listen,
Trish the thing about the cannapas, I'm not so offended
that the cannape is thirty bucks ahead. I'm offended that
they're having this conference. Stall, Why are they having this conference?

Speaker 8 (01:00:28):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
I need to get three hundred bosses into a room together. Look,
what is the How do you not know what your
job is?

Speaker 22 (01:00:34):
I feel like every week we turn up to have
a chat to you and there's some other story along
these lines. So last week it was the film commission
off to Khan and having been to Cahn myself, it's
not a cheap exercise. But well not when you go Trish, No, no, no,
actually I did go in an official capacity as a judge,

(01:00:56):
just clearing that up.

Speaker 16 (01:00:59):
Years ago.

Speaker 12 (01:00:59):
I know represented land.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Oh it was nothing.

Speaker 22 (01:01:02):
But in terms of of this kind of public sector
spending at the moment, you know, it's really hard to
argue these headlines when they when they come up, and
I think they are a warning signal to everyone in
these departments to go, do we really.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Need to do this?

Speaker 22 (01:01:21):
Are there a couple of emails that we could send
that are going to.

Speaker 15 (01:01:24):
Deal with this?

Speaker 22 (01:01:25):
Or is there a way to, you know, to make
this sharper and cheaper and quicker.

Speaker 12 (01:01:31):
I don't mind you, right, I don't mind people getting
together for work if it's going to come up with
an outcome. And I think we can get a bit
smelling salts about the hair strains.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And how can you achieve with three hundred people in
a room.

Speaker 12 (01:01:43):
Look, I tell you what if they reduce hospital waiting lists.
I don't care how many canopies they take, but they're
not going three. But the bigger problem you you mentioned
this just now. He the bigger problem is what was
the purpose of that means the point it was called
connect twenty four and let me read you what they said.
The purpose was connecting with our strategic contact means understanding
the priorities from our authorizing environment. Now let me translate

(01:02:05):
to you. That means understand the priorities of the guys
who just won the election because they be debossed now
and you've got to understand what they want. I mean,
it's like, do you really need to talk in gibberish?

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
And you need to be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Simple, right, it's do save people's lives, do the operations,
don't blow the budget. It's not don't drown in words, Salard.

Speaker 22 (01:02:24):
And here's the other here's the big issue. So we're
all in here getting all, you know, work worked up,
pasterical three women.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Spoutings so worked out.

Speaker 22 (01:02:36):
I don't well, I don't think I've reached that boiling
point yet, but who knows. But the bigger issue is,
and you know, talking to people working in the health sector,
the shamozzle that is happening now because no decisions can
be made because Health New Zealand is just in a
state of turmoil. So people at an operational level trying

(01:02:58):
to get decisions about things like can we hire a
new nurse we need or a doctor we need aren't
getting done. And I think it's more those people who
see these headlines and just think, what why am I
turning up to work every day?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I exactly agree.

Speaker 12 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I mean, if you can do something about the
hell that the health sector is, and at the moment,
by all means to do that, but then call your conference,
let's sort out the let's sort out the province.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
In the health sector. And I don't if you had
that as a conference name, I'd go to it, and
probably you'd only have two people there because they'd be
the decision makers. Guys, thanks so much appreciated. Trisherson and
josephganni O a huddle of this evening. It's coming up
seven away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Hither over a billion people watch the America's Cup on TV.
It's twice the number that watched the last Rugby World Cup,
as if to say, might not have featured in the
newspapers but still was a very popular event. Hither, I
have to say I'm a National Party supporter and honestly
this business Andrew Bailey makes me like the more. It's
unexpected outcome because it shows that they are genuine Kiwi
blokes that don't mind having a laugh. Problem is brackets

(01:04:09):
at other people's expense. Some would say, listen, Trumpy, now
Trump's be Somebody sent me a text earlier before and said,
how about Donald Trump working at McDonald's because that's Jedi
level trolling of Karmela, which actually it is. So what's
happened is Trumpy has gone over and done a little
stint at McDonald's today, put on his apron and scooped
up some fries.

Speaker 9 (01:04:30):
Keep it take.

Speaker 21 (01:04:32):
You have the sole donner.

Speaker 18 (01:04:36):
He never touches the human hand.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
A nation full loves that. It never touches the human hand,
because if you know Trumpy, you know he hates a germ.
Right then, of course, popped out the window at the
drive through pickup counter, gave the orders to the drivers,
who were no doubt completely surprised.

Speaker 18 (01:04:53):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
That's a good okay, have a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 16 (01:04:58):
I see I see it the word.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Now that, by the way, something of a dream come
true for Trumpet, because nobody loves a McDonald's feast more
than Donald Trump. But also he did this to troll
Carmela about her claim that she'd worked at McDonald's.

Speaker 18 (01:05:14):
I love McDonald's, I love jobs. I like to see
good jobs, and I think it's inappropriate when somebody puts
down all over the place that she worked at McDonald
It was a big part of her resume that she
worked at McDonald's, how tough a job it was. She
specifically worked at the French fry where her make the
French fries, and she talked about the heat it was

(01:05:35):
so tough. She never worked at McDonald's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Now, the reason he says she never worked at McDonald's
because it's a little bit murky about whether Karmla did
work at McDonald's because she claims she worked at a
mckidee's in California, and her campaign told the newspaper The
Times that it happened in nineteen eighty three while she
was at university. But then they couldn't provide The Times
any family or friends to vouch for her that she

(01:05:58):
had in fact worked at mcidee's and this particular macades.
And then the Telegraph is reporting that staff at that
McDonald's have now been sworn to secrecy and they're not
allowed to talk to the media about whether she did
work at that McDonald's or not. So it's complete radio silence.

Speaker 18 (01:06:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Now you're suspicious, aren't you. And by the way, when
Donald Trump does eat at McDonald's, he likes to have
two big macs, two Filaiso fish pillps of fish I
don't know the fish one, and a large chocolate milkshake.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
So lot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Even in coming up for the next hour in Nature Baby,
we're going to speak to them after six point thirty.
They're having another crack at making it big in the States.
Shane Soley on the markets, reacting to the possibility that
Donald Trump wins the US selection, and Gavin Gray's with
us out of the UK. It's seven past six and
Finance Minister Nichola Willis is with us as per usual
on a Monday. Hey, Nicola, Hey, speaking to Chris Bishop

(01:07:01):
about about an hour ago. I think I have realized
we are not really in the running at all for
hosting the America's Cup. Would that be fair?

Speaker 15 (01:07:09):
Well, first things first, it's awesome that we won, and
it's very exciting not just as a sporting achievement but
for the designers, the builders, the sailors, the scientists, everyone involved.
So let's let's actually take a little moment to celebrate that.
Second thing. I'm not normally one to blow smoke, but
there is a various stute commentator who has said recently

(01:07:32):
that it is a business decision for Grant Delta as
to where he wishes the cup to take place, and
it is a business decision for New Zealand too. Yes,
And that is stute commentator being you. I think that,
thank you for listening. You've put it well, which is
that ultimately it is up to Team New Zealand to
decide where they wish to host it, and they will

(01:07:53):
make that judgment based on all number of things which
are outside our control. And then there is a question
if they are ask us about what contribution we might
be prepared to make, and we need to be very
hard headed about that because dollars are precious and dollars
can go to many purposes, including schools and hospitals.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
So are we waiting for them to come to us
rather than us chasing it with them?

Speaker 15 (01:08:15):
That's right, We'll wait for them to come to us
here as ultimately it's their decision.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Okay, hey, listen, This thing about howth New Zealand that
blows my mind is why they think they need to
have this conference in the first place of three hundred people.
Can you understand this?

Speaker 18 (01:08:29):
Well?

Speaker 15 (01:08:30):
Look, the first I learned of it was today. I
do accept that when you've got big organizations that are
spread across the country. There can be value in bringing
leaders together to talk about what can we do together
to drive productivity, to drive value for money, to get
better results for our patients. And I understand that was
the intent of this event. There's no intention to repeat it.

(01:08:54):
And I note that subsequent to that event, of course,
the government chose to send in the commissioners. The Bard
has been replaced by a commissioner who has an absolute
drive and goal to get resources to the front line
for patients.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I get that about leaders But how big is cabinet?
Is it twenty people?

Speaker 15 (01:09:11):
Twenty and it's in cabinet, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
That is how big a leadership size is, right, That's
how many people you get together to make decisions, not
three hundred. That's taking the mickey, isn't it.

Speaker 15 (01:09:21):
Yeah, Look, I understand this was three hundred people. And
ultimately it's up to each organization to judge how it
will get good value. And I've been very explicit with
government entities that I expect them to be able to
demonstrate that their activities are going to deliver value to
the front line. And I also have made it clear

(01:09:43):
that I expect them not to continue with activities that
aren't delivering results for people, So that's the measure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Okay, do you know the actual final cost of this conference,
because as far as I can see, we haven't actually
factored in flights and accommodation for these three hundred.

Speaker 15 (01:09:56):
No, I don't have that number. I understand that. I
understand from the reporting on it that those who attending
the conference were encouraged to coincide that with other engagements
and meetings that they needed to have for business reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Yeah, okay, is it worth? I mean, has it got
to the point where the public service where you guys
actually need to put it in very simple terms to them,
no more conferences like this.

Speaker 15 (01:10:19):
Well, we are making it very clear that we expect
them to be very rigorous about how they use public
money and the most effective lever we have for achieving that.
Heather is making it clear that there's not going to
be abundant supplies of money into the future. We're not
going to keep filling up the money jar like the
last government did it. Because when people can look forward
to noodle's more cash every time a budget rolls around,

(01:10:42):
then there's no need to tighten their belts. But when
they see that actually the cost of doing all of
these conferences and consultations and all of that stuff is
that we might not then have enough money for the
essential people in our organization. Well, any public agency is
going to make more sensible decisions, and that's the situation
they are in with this government.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Do you feel vindicated by that inflation number last week
that showed that tax cuts were not really inflationary at all?

Speaker 23 (01:11:06):
You know what I do?

Speaker 15 (01:11:08):
I do because I will never forget the conger line
of people in the election campaign who wanted to tell
us that tax relief would be inflationary. I'll never forget
Chris Hopkins and Barbara Edmonds wanting to stop New Zealanders
keeping more of their hard earned money because they said
it was going to drive inflation. It was never going
to do that. It hasn't done that. We delivered tax

(01:11:30):
relief and low inflation and dropping interest rates. And I'm
really pleased for New Zealanders.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
But that's the case.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
I'm reading in the week I'm reading the weekend papers
and something. There's this long interview with you and something
something fascinated me. They said, overall, Nikola Willis thinks that
the time for aggressive economic reform is right, and then
quotes you are saying, I am more impatient and more
reform minded. What are you thinking?

Speaker 15 (01:11:54):
Well, what I'm thinking is that I have met with
so many New Zealanders who have said to me, New
Zealand can't go on like this, limping along with slow growth,
talking about the same problems, whether that's declining achievement, low productivity,
long waiting lists. We have to be prepared to do
things differently and take bolder steps. And so our government here, Nicola,

(01:12:22):
are you still there? Yes, let's do some bold stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah, we've got you. Okay, So what are you sorry?
We just lost you for a techi there?

Speaker 15 (01:12:29):
So I was having quite I was waxing quite lyrical there.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
No, it was so brief. We only lost you for
a second. What we've got, the essence of it is,
what are you thinking?

Speaker 24 (01:12:40):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
How bold are you thinking? What are the areas you
think we need some significant reforming.

Speaker 15 (01:12:45):
Well, we're being very clear that education reform is necessary. Yeah,
to deliver the basics brilliantly, and we are shaking up
the skills. We're clear that we need to get more
overseas investment in this country to create better paying jobs,
and that means loosening the laws of the land to
allow that to happen and being very clear that we're
going to roll out the welcomes. It's also about being

(01:13:06):
far more minded towards competition. So you've seen me talk
about the banks, but it's also about the regulatory settings
across a number of other sectors. On infrastructure, we've had
enough with the consent in Quagma. We're cutting through the Rima,
we're doing that fast track consenting. There's been protests on
Queen Street, but I think New Zealanders want to see
development and growth and those projects will deliver it. We're

(01:13:30):
going to invite private capital and to help us build
some roads, help us build some of the infrastructure New
Zealand needs for the future. And then on the science system,
we've had enough of the debate about whether or not
we need gene editing. We're bringing in being editing regulator
and we're getting on with it. So across the board,
we are making big changes because this moment in history demands.

Speaker 9 (01:13:50):
It of us.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
On the foreign money stuff, are you prepared to cut
the corporate tax rate?

Speaker 15 (01:13:56):
Well, that would come with a significant cost. And the
thing I'm always conscious of is it wouldn't just attract
new investors, it would also involve giving potentially quite a
windful gain to the likes of the big banks, the
big tailcos the exhibit. So, to my mind, we need

(01:14:16):
to think about the tax system's role in incentivizing investment
and productivity, and there are always new things we can
be considering there. We certainly shouldn't be considering things that
tell people they shouldn't grow their capital and they shouldn't
grow their productivity, and so we need to remain open
to that. But we're also and I've been really clear
about this, we're fiscally constrained. I have a job to

(01:14:37):
do to get the books back in order, so anything
we do we have to be able to pay for.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Okay, did you read about best Start in the papers today?

Speaker 15 (01:14:46):
I haven't read about that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
These are the childcare people who declared themselves a charity
about nine years ago, and therefore oh and had a
sale to facilitate the transition into a charity. Now they
don't pay any tax. I think you should go and
read about that and then tell me when you are
going to start taxing the charities.

Speaker 15 (01:15:03):
I know that if my IID people were here they
would tell me it would be most unwise to comment
on the text of fears of an individual organization. But
what we have put on the text policy work program
the Minister of Revenue and I is another look at
the charity sector to make sure that the rules there
are working fairly and that they're not being abused.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
And when we get a decision from you guys on that, well.

Speaker 15 (01:15:26):
The deadline that I've set at a budget next year
and I have not taken any proposals to kebnet as yet.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Good stuff. Hey, Nicola, thanks very much, really appreciate it,
and thank you for listening to the show. Nicola Willis
Finance Minister. I'll tell you about bestart. You're going to
want to hear about the sixteen past six.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
It's Heather Dupice Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to
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Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
HEATHERN Nicholas saying she can't pay much for the America's
Cup to be hosts in New Zealand. It's not a
real offer to Team New Zealand. They needs funds. I
think the most telling thing was the fact that Nicola
indicated bought youd and indication. You made it pretty clear
Team New Zealand are going to be the ones to
contact us. It's not the other way around. And I
think that tells you everything, right, If they want to
come to New Zealand, then we can start talking, but

(01:16:14):
we're not going to chase them with our cash. Okay.
So this is what This is the Best Start situation.
So best out of the people who run all the
early childhood education outfits around the country, right and they
were started by the Right Family, and this seems to
be the thing that's made the Right family very, very rich.
They then converted Best Start into a charity nine years

(01:16:36):
ago when the Right Family Trust sold the business to
the Right Family Foundation, which is a charity, for three
hundred and thirty two million dollars, which is an amount
that would not be paid in one lump sump, but
we'll paid down over time. Last year, Best Start, as
in the charity, paid a whopping thirty seven million dollars
to the family Trust. That's up from the usual twenty

(01:16:58):
million dollars that they pay annually. The question, and that's
because it's making a lot of money. Like it it
made about thirty million dollars or something like that in
the year thirty two or something. Questioners, should it be
a charity? And of course it shouldn't be a charity.
It's a business. It was a business beforehand. It still
is a business. It's just calling itself a charity now
and now doesn't have to pay tax anyway. Nikola Willis

(01:17:19):
has indicated now we've got a timeline for it. Indicated
they're going to look at whether these charities should continue
to be able to have the tax free status, which
is obviously the answer is no, that's a joke and
budget next year, so fingers crossed, maybe we'll be starting
to rake in a little bit of the tax revenue
that we obviously should be twenty past six now Shane
solely Harbor Asset Management is with us right now, has Shane?

Speaker 18 (01:17:40):
I hear that?

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Now on the US election, row got the polls starting
to look like it's going to be a Republican dominated
government and Trump's going to win. How are the capital
markets reacting to this?

Speaker 23 (01:17:50):
Yeah, the polling is getting close, and I think, yeah,
we have gone from pricing in a Harris democratic government
to starting the price and a Trump republican government. But
in this is also thinking about this is going to
be divided government, one party not controlling the presidency, House
and Senate. So that means that to some degree they
can kind of knock each other out or significly modify
the policy. But yeah, the market's really focus on what

(01:18:12):
does the Trump government mean for tax, trade, tariff's, labor, immigration,
those si key things, And we know that historically that
are republican. When Shimaket likes it be, there's a lot
of tax the US dollar teams to go up, and
that's what we've seen in the last few weeks. But
we've also seen long term government bond years in the
US go up. They've been going down. It's been one
of the stories for the last probably six months. They're

(01:18:34):
actually going down. They've been going back up because people
worry about what does the tariff mean for inflation and
so look, you know, we think there's a lot to
sort of watch for at the margin. Even these tariffs
are a risk for China, right, and so some of
the good policy announcements that China have talked about big
perps getting neutralized by the risk of tariff. So yeah,
a long way to go getting quite exciting though, and

(01:18:56):
so yeah, the markets jumped from one side of the
ship to the other.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Is getting quite exciting. Hey, back at home, we're expecting
to hear from both the governor and the Assistant Governor
of the Reserve Bank this week. Are we expecting much
in terms of the market.

Speaker 23 (01:19:09):
Well, I've been Assistant governor out on Tuesday, IBMZ governor
on Wednesday, and we the market are looking for further
indications on official cash rate cuts and we'll go what's
priced in the market's assuming there'll be a point eight
five eight So just turned to point six percent cut
to official rates in November. That's kind of like I
normally we go twenty five basis points or point two

(01:19:29):
five so more than a half a percent less than
points seven five percent. So the market is saying, yeah,
it needs to be more than half the point seven
five Maybe not enough. Karen Silk, Assistant Governor, spoke last
week at a really well attended City Group presentation on
Australasian equities or in economists. She did a good job,
but she didn't get a lot away. She talked about

(01:19:50):
I might have done it almost come close to a
little jig when CPI figures showed they got back to
two point two. But I don't know if she did
the jig or not.

Speaker 8 (01:19:58):
She talked about it.

Speaker 23 (01:20:00):
Look, you know, residential property real estate guys, they might
be getting excited about lower mullage rates. But I think
we all know, and I know you've pointed this out
here there is it takes time for this lower rates
to work their way through the system.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
Could take a year.

Speaker 23 (01:20:11):
So now we're looking at a reserve bank who might
be tempted to debit gradual because inflation is not quite
in the target. But today we had the ben zed
are reporting new Zeum job ads felt half a percent
of the last month. So the New Zealand economy, it's
still slow and we still need to see rate cups
coming through.

Speaker 15 (01:20:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Absolutely, Hey, we are well into annual shareholder meeting season.
What are you expecting from the meetings that we're going
to have this week?

Speaker 23 (01:20:36):
Yeah? Look, and your shield of meetings, they're in addition
to providing a great platform for sharholders to take companies
to account boards and management, they are quite an important
opportunity to get a snapshot on where the companies are
traveling in terms of profitability and also to get an
idea where the economy is. This week we've got eleven
companies with the annual Shield of meetings. Wednesday we've got EBIs,

(01:20:58):
Fletcher Building, Freightway's Property of Industry, Theesday we've got Chorus
Scatter up in winter, and Friday we've got porta Teroo.
So we've got quite a cross section of different sources
of how is the economy going, how is your profitability traveling?
So yeah, actually a lot of scrutiny more than normal
because we are looking to see if we're at the
bottom of you, whether there's a turning point. So a
lot of focus on their annual Shield of meetings this week.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Yeah, good stuff. Hey, Shane, thanks for running us through.
We'll talk to you next week. That Shane solely as
per usual on a Monday of Harbor Asset Management, six
twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
The Business Hour with Heather duper C and my Hr
the HR Solution for Busy smys on News Talks.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
It'd be a nature baby is going to be with
us just after the news Nature Baby, Brilliant, brilliant, beautiful
baby clothing I'm right in the market for that at
the moment, obviously, and they're trying to have another crack
at the US market, so they'll talk us through it
when they're with us in about eight minutes time. Interesting,
I was reading some a little bit about the unemployment
numbers today, and basically the story was we're warning signs

(01:22:00):
were back to GFC levels. Four hundred thousand people on
some form of benefit. And there was this little fact
in the story that I found absolutely fascinating. On the
thirty first of March nineteen fifty two, the thirty first
of March nineteen fifty two, how many people in the
country were receiving the unemployment benefit two? Just two people.
I think it was something like twenty eight people were

(01:22:22):
looking for jobs. Two people were receiving the unemployment benefit. Now,
if you adjusted that for population growth, our population's gone
up by let's say two and a half to two
point five two point six percent since then. If we
adjusted it for growth, the number of people in the
country who should be looking for work, who should be
on the unemployment benefit right now five five as opposed

(01:22:42):
to god on who knows how many. And amongst that
four hundred thousand people anyway. I mean, I'm obviously going
to say this, right, our attitude to work has changed.
In nineteen fifty two, you knew you had to work
to live. Nowadays you don't have to work to live.
That's the problem, right there, isn't it. Headline's next.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
It's headed duplesic Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to
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Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
B and.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Just started.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Kiss you Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
In nineteen fifty two, half the population didn't work. The women. No,
that's fair. Okay, let's adjust it for women as well.
Ten it should be ten people on the dole then
according to those numbers, if adjusted for inflation and the
women and look at fairpoint, fairpoint as well. That the
back in the nineteen fifties, et cetera. Obviously we had
all these government jobs. It would just make make work schemes, right,

(01:23:51):
so you had people working in the railways during bugger
rull and it. But somehow I just yeah, I just wonder,
there's a part of me and I just want you
to take this as like musing out loud. I'm not
nailing my colors. I'm not saying this is what I think.
I just wonder though, if that was maybe marginally better
to have like little work schemes where people would at

(01:24:13):
least turn up, then having the doll where people just
sit around taking drugs.

Speaker 15 (01:24:16):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Like, if you're going to pay people to do nothing,
are you better off making them come into the office
and eat their lunch then just sit at home doing
nothing and setting a bad example for the kids. Anyway, Anyway, listen,
I just want to tell you really quickly. Success stories
is what I'm into in a big way today. Big
payday for the women in the White ferns, each of them.
And I'm getting various numbers quoted at me in the media,

(01:24:37):
but basically they get money from the tournament for winning. Right,
it's not New Zealand cricket money. It seems to be
like international cricket money. They are going to split the
money between themselves equally and the squad. They will get
somewhere between two hundred and five and two hundred and
fifty seven thousand dollars each. Hell good is that that
is more money than the highest paid White Fern would

(01:24:59):
get for playing international cricket for US for a year,
they get more, like significantly more, they get significantly more
just for winning the tournament. Well done them twenty two
away from seven. Ever, do see now nature Baby is
going to have another crack at the US market. If
you've had a baby in you know, the last couple
of decades, you'll know these guys really lovely, organic, fancy

(01:25:20):
expensive baby. We're founded in an Auckland flat in ninety
ninety nine, are now worth millions of dollars. They did
actually have a full range the US market. They had
an online retailer that took them in about a decade ago,
but then that retailer ran into trouble and so the
thing ended. Jacob Fall is the co founder of nature
Baby with his wife Giorl Journey's with me now, hey Jacob.

Speaker 8 (01:25:38):
Hey, yeah, thanks for having our shows.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I think thanks for joining us. How's business going, by
the way, because it's a tough time out there, and
I imagine that people when they trim their spending, their
trim they're spending on nice stuff like yours.

Speaker 8 (01:25:50):
Yeah, it's tough. Nature Baby is not immune from the
financial challenges that we've seen lights of the market, but
we are seeing lots of green shoots, So I think
makes Baby is a market suffers. I think when interest
rates go up, so the household spending comes down. But
I think we're mates baby. People are buying into that
fact that you know, maybe it lasts a bit longer,

(01:26:12):
or maybe they can pass it down, or there's a
bit more value there. So we're still seeing strong sales
and we're up on last year, so it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Oh that's brilliant. So you're going to go into the
US with this company many moons? Who are these guys?

Speaker 8 (01:26:25):
These are a really interesting company. They approached us about
four years ago, straight out of Columbia Business School, and
they were mature students that were involved in other industries
and they had this idea to set up at first
higher business, so they would buy organic and natural baby
products and they would hire it out, and then quite

(01:26:45):
quickly they pivot to pivoted to reselling, and now they've
set up a hub and they take baby products back
and distribute them across the US.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Yes, So is this what you're talking about? Is they're
like recycling of clothing where they'll sell the product first
of all in an affluent suburb and then when the
family's finished having the babies, they bring it back. These
guys will restore the product and then they will rent
it out or sell it at maybe a less affluent
suburb exactly exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:27:14):
So I think you hit the nail on the head.
In terms of organic it's often seen as luxury, but
they're turning that around and seeing it it's quality and
that it can last up to eight times. And they
tested other labels and so other labels were lasting about
two weirs before they had to recycle them, whereas nature
Baby was lasting up to eight babies. So if you

(01:27:36):
took a garment that costs, say ten dollars, and you
could wear it once or twice, that's five dollars per use.
Whereas you take nature Baby, which is a lot higher,
let's say thirty five dollars, you can wear it eight times,
so per use that was only four dollars. So it's
long long term, it's actually cheap at.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Yeah, thank you. And are you doing a similar thing
in New Zealand? Now did I read that where you're
also going to sort of like recycle clothing.

Speaker 8 (01:28:01):
Yeares, So we were just about to launch it on
Thursday this week, where we're running a take back scheme
where we will take pre Love Nature Baby product back
and then we'll give the customer recruitit to spend on you,
and then we'll take that product and put it into
a resale market.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
How much are you going to give me for my
old products? Jacob has got a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:28:20):
Of I've heard how much you've got here that, So
we're trying to we're running it as a business model,
so we're giving it's twenty percent. So we researched it.
We looked at Noody Jeens, and we looked at Patagonia,
and so we're going to give twenty percent back that
you can use on you, and then we're looking at
then reselling that product. And so I think at the

(01:28:43):
end we net out because the cost of running a
pre Love recycled program actually has quite a high cost
to it. But we're determined to look at how we
can make that work so the customers are getting that
just can't upfront, and then we're able to then take
that into a resale market and make a business.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Of that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
A lot you mean a lot of money when I'm
finished selling all my stuff back to you.

Speaker 8 (01:29:06):
A lot of product, yeah, to get it back.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
I'll tell you what you made my month. The other day,
I was walking down the down on the waterfront and
I came across the Nature Baby sail like I hadn't
seen the adverts or anything like that. Mate. I just honestly,
I am still on the dopamine high from all the
stuff I got for ten dollars from you guys.

Speaker 8 (01:29:24):
Fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
Yeah, we love, we love it.

Speaker 8 (01:29:27):
You love what we love those those events where we
can we're we're getting front of customers, and I mean
to be honest, it is a higher price, and we're
trying to look at programs like that, which is essentially
outlet stock, so that's over stocks for whatever reason, and
pre loved and so we can access give access to

(01:29:49):
all customers. So rather than just having this organic as luxury,
it's organic as quality that we can sell sell all
the way through.

Speaker 13 (01:29:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Good stuff, man, Best of luck with the foray into
the US market. I really hope it goes well for you.
Jacob Jacob for Nature Baby co founder. Honestly, I could
not rave about nature Baby enough. Look, it is pricey.
I'm not gonna lie to you. You know you are
paying so much more than you are at Farmers or
you know, any of those kind of cheaper places I
came out and stuff like that. So you're gonna it's
a bit of mixing and matching, right. It's like what

(01:30:19):
you do with your own wardrobe. You buy yourself a
nice coat and then you just wear some cheap t
shirts with it, you know, like whatever. You know, you
kind of mix a matches. Do the same thing for
the baby. These guys products. Honestly, you know the beige
baby phenomenon, which is like you want to dress your
baby like a Scandinavian baby, you know, like you know,
like oligannic and sort of bage colors and wooden toys,
and you know, the baby just looks miserable but so beautiful,

(01:30:41):
you know, like to thought beautiful because that's Kandinavian baby.
It's like that. It's like that vibe. I sometimes I
just go into the store in Graylen, which is their
original store. I just go in there for a little dopamine.
Hait just walk around going, oh, look at the stuff
that's beautiful. You just come out feeling stoked. So anyway,
point of the story is two things. Number One, what

(01:31:02):
I do is I buy I buy it on sale,
so he's he he The leading love of my life
is two and a half. So I'm buying four year
old gear now and I just stick it on the
bottom drawer and then I just whip it out when
it's like because it's on sale, right, so I just
buy it for like the future, because it's never gonna
look bad. It's nature Baby number two. If you have
to buy somebody a present for their looming baby, go

(01:31:23):
to nature Baby because they will be like, it doesn't
matter what you buy, they will be blessed. It is
just so beautiful. You're welcome. What about all that free
advertising for nature Baby. I just gave them sixteen away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Hither I've got a nine month old. We find Tamus
great for baby clothes because they're good quality and cheap.
Are they are? They though good quality?

Speaker 6 (01:31:53):
They being?

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Are they though good quality? But they are cheap. The
kiddies grow so fast, so the cheaper the better. And
that's that's perfect reasonable economic rational common since you's just
flying there as well. Thirteen away from seven now, Gavin Gray,
are UK correspondent, should be with us now, Gaven you there?

Speaker 14 (01:32:09):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
The hell?

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Good stuff. Hey, I'm good to talk to you.

Speaker 15 (01:32:11):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
What did you guys make of Lydia Thorpe over in Australia,
Young yelling at King Charles.

Speaker 24 (01:32:16):
Yeah, I think Look, I think they've kind of expected
one or two things in this trip. I don't think
it'll be the last either. I think it was the
fact that timing seemed to catch people out, because potentially
that might have come as he was giving a speech
or something, the idea it was just towards the end
when he was rejoining Camilla back on the stage, sitting
at the stage when she started shouting, I think caught

(01:32:39):
a few people by surprise. But yeah, I think this
is going to be a tough visit for them. I
think the King was desperate to go to Australia because
he wanted to sort of seal his succession to the throne.
He hadn't been since he had been coronated, so consequently,
I think this has always to be one of these
tricky things. I don't think the media, although they're running

(01:33:00):
it big here. I don't think the media is surprised
by it. They're certainly not suggesting that the King and
his party were surprised by it. And I just think
it goes to underlying just the state of affairs in
Australia at the moment, seeming to be quite a rise
of republicanism.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Listen, why do we think that Lucy Liby may have
actually killed more babies?

Speaker 24 (01:33:20):
Evidence has now emerged that another baby might also have
been poisoned within hours of her taking over the boy's care.
So Lucy let Be is Britain's in modern history, Britain's
biggest baby killer. She was found guilty of murdering seven
babies in attempting to murder seven others in a neonatal

(01:33:41):
unit in the northwest of England in just a one
year period between June twenty fifteen and June twenty sixteen. Now,
medical records are revealing that in another instance, the infant's
blood sugar level absolutely plummeted, with lab results later indicating
that he had suspiciously high levels of insulin. And that

(01:34:04):
was all while Lucy let Be, who was taking over
the boy's care. The BBC is also reporting that potentially
life threatening incidents involving infants almost occurred on almost a
third of her shifts while she was training at Liverpool's
Women's Hospital in a.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Three year period.

Speaker 24 (01:34:23):
There has been huge amount of criticism of the prosecution
of the earlier case seven murders and seven attempted murders,
with some saying that this is just the way evidence
was portrayed. With the statistics, there was no hard and
fast evidence and indeed a lot was really circumstantial evidence
that she always seemed to be on duty when people

(01:34:44):
young babies died in unexpectedly. So maybe this additional evidence
will help, but calm the nerves of the judicial system.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
What about jk Rowling, a woman who turns down two peerages, yes.

Speaker 24 (01:35:00):
And said that if she was offered a third she
would do exactly the same. Again, this has all come
about because Kemmy Badanock, she is one of the two
hopefuls left potentially to take over as leader of the
Conservative Party now that Rishie Sunak has stepped down. Because
Kemmy Badanock said that she would give jk Rowling a

(01:35:21):
peerage for her stance on gender. Now this is something
of course, jk Rowling has been prolific in her particular
opinion about gender and trans people, and she has said
that some have accused her of being transphobic, and now
some are accusing Kemmy Badanock of being transphobic by deliberately

(01:35:43):
suggesting she would give the author JK Rowling a peerage,
so jk Rowling saying on X that she'd been offered
peerages quote once under Labor, once under the Tories, adding
she still wouldn't take it if honored for the third.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Kevin, thanks very much, Matt. We'll talk in two days time.

Speaker 16 (01:36:00):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
That's Gavin Grauer UK corresponding. By the way, the authorities
over in Australia, sorry, and Argentina have said that Liam Payne,
as in the former One Direction star who died last week,
had consumed quite a bit of drugs before he died,
which I think was pretty clear from the photographs of
his hotel room with the you know, the candle and
the bitterton foil and the straws and stuff like that
lying around, and white powder and whatnot. Apparently what he

(01:36:23):
had taken was something called crystal, which is you would
given the name, you would think it was probably something
to do very similar to crystal maybe like methamphetamine or
something like that, and that would certainly kind of be
how you consume it with candles and bitston oil and
pipes and stuff. Anyway, whatever apparently causes reasonable hallucinations and

(01:36:45):
psychosis away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Hey five it's coming up five away from seven. The
anti money laundering laws just really quickly want to get
you across these rules. I mean, jeez, if you've had
to buy a seller house in the last few years,
you'll know the AML laws just really suck, don't they.
They're so onerous, so inflexible, so much paperwork. Now I
knew that they were a problem, and I knew that

(01:37:22):
they were a problem because I've got family who work
in the real estate industry, so they have been like
snowed under by all this paperwork and stuff, but I
didn't realize just how bad. So apparently, just after the pandemic.
It's got nothing to do with real estate, by the way,
it's other parts of the economy that have been affected
by it. Apparently, just after the pandemic, a bunch of
remittance companies got debanked, as in could not open bank accounts.

(01:37:44):
And remittance companies are the guys who transferred take money
from the seasonal workers and then transfer it to the
back home to the Pacific Islands. They couldn't get bank
accounts anymore because the banks thought they were an AMIL risk,
anti money laundering risk. Because what happens, of course, is
the seasonal workers come to work here for a bit
and then they get paid and then they give this
dump of cash to the remittance company. So the remittance
companies were getting huge amounts of money, but like infrequently,

(01:38:07):
and that looked really dodgy. So the bank's like, I can't, no,
I can't give you a bank account anybod looks dodgy.
So what do you do when you don't have a
bank account. These guys were flying to the remittance companies,
flying down from Auckland to Hawks Bay to pick up
the money. The seasonal worker is pulling it out of
the bank accounts that they had, putting all of this
money into duffel bags, flying back to Auckland with duffel

(01:38:28):
bags full of cash and then sending it off to
the Pacific Islands. How dodgy's that? I mean, talk about
dodgy for everybody because duffel bag goes missing, or like
talk about somebody finding out that you've got a duffel
bag full of cash? How much risk you're at? Like
the whole thing is just a bad idea. Surely you'd
be better off banking these people anyway. Thankfully, the Associate
Minister of Justice, Nicole mcckey is looking into it. She

(01:38:50):
said last week. She wants to see this work a
lot more effectively. And I think there's an example of
why it should, thank God, because it's just overkill, is
what it sounds like.

Speaker 16 (01:39:00):
AND's what have you got crazy? Trained by Ozzie Osborne
to play us out? Tonight? Ozzie Osborne over the weekend
was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
And you say, hang on a minute, and it's how
is Ozzy Osbourne not in the rock and Roll Hall
of Fame? Well, yes, this is the second time, so
Black Sabbath were put in the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame back in two thousand and six. But I
guess the Hall of Fame people were like, okay, but
just so everyone definitely knows Ozzie Osborn's and then will

(01:39:20):
put him in his own accord as well. So they've
done that over the weekend. So well, And Ozzie, you're
in the hall twice.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
How many other people are in the hall twice?

Speaker 16 (01:39:27):
That's a really good question I should have looked at.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
But not a lot. Ah, you have to be big
in your band, any big individuals.

Speaker 16 (01:39:33):
Well yeah, or but what if you have like three
different bands that you play, and do you get inducted
for every single one? I bet there's like some drummer
or something who's played in four who you could technically
put in four times. Maybe I'll look into it and
come back.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
To you thank you, because there wouldn't be a lot
of people. There'd be like Dave Grohl Nirvana, and then
food Fighters.

Speaker 16 (01:39:48):
And he's got this other thing them Crooked Vultures as well.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
That's no, they're not big enough. That don't be silly, okay,
and then Harry Styles one Direction and Harry Styles.

Speaker 16 (01:39:57):
Yep, there you go. That's Gwen Stefani on accord it
and with no doubt mane, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Can stretch out to that. Yeah, cool, okay, let us know,
thank you answer, that's your research. See you tomorrow and
new Stalks.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
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