Full Show Podcast: 22 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
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Heather du to see Eland Drive with One New Zealand.
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today.
Tory Farno, the Wellington City Mayor, is holding a press
conference right now about the news that the Government will
be intervening in her absolute shambles of a council. Will
get you across that. Karen Sure the Children's Minister, on
what should happen with the youth who climbed up on
the roof? And Sky TV boss Sophie Maloney on the
new deal announced today. Heather do to see elis into

(00:38):
something else altogether. Let's talk about the government toughening up
the three strikes law today. Now, I don't want to
be the person who told you so, but I did
tell you so, didn't I There was no way that
the government was going to be able to get away
with watering down the original three strikes law. I could
planned to do so today what they've done is they've
kind of this is all performance. They've beefed it up today,
but it really is not beef up at all. It's

(01:00):
going to make very very little difference, and I would
not be forced. I would not be surprised if the
government is forced to come back to the table and
beef it up again. Now, what they've done is technical.
They've changed the threshold for when the first strike kicks in. This,
by the way, is a strike that doesn't actually do anything.
It's just a warning strike. Previously, they were going to
kick it in at two years. They thought anything below
that would be just so unfair. And now they're going

(01:22):
to kick it in at one year jail. It's not
really going to make much of a difference. Also, second
thing that they've done is they've made the law retrospective,
and what that means is it's going to count the
relevant strikes from the last time we had the law.
So if the Baddy's got to strike last time, they
still had that strike against their name. This time, only fair.
I would have thought, here's what you need to know.
This law is so soft compared to last time, and

(01:45):
still remains so soft compared to last time. Last time
we had about twenty five people end up on a
third strike. That's not a lot of people. By the way.
I mean that might surprise you to know it was
only twenty five. Twenty five of them ended up on
a third strike. Sensible sentence US has done the research today.
I found out of those twenty five under the EXIST
under the new law as proposed, only seven would end up.

(02:08):
Only seven of the twenty five would end up on
a third strike. Today, after the beefing up, eight would
end up on a third strike. So it's been beefed
up so that it goes from seven to eight on
a third strike. I mean, that's hardly beefing up right now.
I don't know why Nicole McKee, who's relevant minister here,
is persevering with the softly softly approach. It's bizarre to me.

(02:31):
She knows that the public wants her to go hard.
Her email in box has been flooded with people telling
her to go hard as predicted, which is why she's
ended up beefing it up. I don't think the government
will be able to maintain the line that it's got
at the moment and keep on going soft on this.
That tough on crime approach is one of the strongest
points of difference that they have with the previous labor government,

(02:52):
and it's actually worth preserving that point of difference because
it's what we want. The public want bad people locked
up behind bars, punished so they're not in the community
hurting us. There is nothing wrong with us wanting that.
It's not it's not bad to punish bad people, right
And if you don't want to punish bad people, just
have a look at the last lot last labor government

(03:13):
and the outgoing Police Commissioner Andrew Costa and see whether
that's an exercise worth repeating. So again, as I say,
I would not be surprised if Nicole McKee has to
come back to the table and beef this up again.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Two ninety two is the text number standardext fees applied.
By the way, the coal is with us after half
past five, now Wellington's longest running drama, or maybe second
longest running drama, because there's a lot of dramas in
Wellington at the moment, has ended. Darlene has been kicked
out of Parliament by the Speaker Jerry Browny this morning
declared her seat as vacant. And this is of course
after the Green's triggered the Wacker jumping law late last week.

(03:47):
Chloe Sworewick as the Greens cold. Hey, Chloe Cholder, when
is she out? Is she out already? She gone?

Speaker 3 (03:53):
As I understand that the gazettes noticed that was issued
this morning by the Speaker, does mean under the way
that the law functions, that it is effectively as though
she were never elected. So my understanding is that Parliamentary
Services is in direct contact with Duln and will be
working with her to figure out moving things out of
the Parliamentary building.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I didn't I didn't look at that a question time today.
Did she turn up?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
No, she did not, as I understand it, and again
per that gazette this morning, it means that she is
no longer a member of Parliament.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
How do you feel, Chloe? I mean you must be relieved,
because I tell you what, I watched your press conference
the other day. You were Grinninglyn a way I haven't
seen you grinn like that for ages.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I think I need to kind of counterbalance that by
pointing to the fact that this is a really sad situation.
You know. Look, I will be completely honest about the
fact that I'm grateful to have a position now where
we can draw a line under this. But it's been
a several months long process that obviously has ensued the
likes of legal battles in other ways, which I don't
think has been a nice situation for anybody that's been involved.

(04:55):
But ultimately for us to get to that position last
week where a hundred and eighty five Green Party to
represent thousands of members from all across the country coming
to that position unanimously, for that consensus to put that
request to the Speaker, I think speaks really proudly to me,
or rather I speak really proudly to the point that
that goes to the core of who we are as
a grassroots lead party.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Okay, so when does Benjamin start?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
So our mustera racudo Mininde's March has been directly in
touch with them, and we'll be working through all of
the usual processes whenever any new member of Parliament comes
into this place. Obviously it requires putting notice into their
current job, and yet working through when the best time
to be sworn in and made inspeeches and otherwise.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Have you Are you absolutely confident that Benjamin is not
going to embarrass you? And the reason I'm not picking
on Benjamin, I'm just picking generally on your candidacy selection.
Your candidate selection has let you down. Are you sure
that everybody that you're bringing in now is being properly vetted?

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I hear you on that point, and that of course
has been something which has been forefront of my since
taking this mental alongside the honorable Madame and Davidson as
co leader. I mean, this issue literally occurred the first
week that I became co leader. So it'll come as
no surprise that we are working with the party to
tighten up those processes. But look, you know, I'm really

(06:15):
excited to be welcoming Benjamin into the team. They've got
a long, proud history of working in the education sector,
which obviously right now is forefront of mind with the
government's reforms and cuts, especially in the likes of the
trial Maori Space, So I think that they'll have a
lot to contribute.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Hey, what do you make of the government deciding to
intervene in Wellington City Council.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
I think that the broader point remains, which is that
governments are both stripes, both national and labor led. Governments
have initiated inquiries and sought advice externally, independently and expert
over the past few decades into the issues with local government,
and they've consistently found, most recently in the Future of
Local Government review tabled at the end of last year,
that local governments across this country do not have the

(06:58):
resources to achieve their mandate basically to do what it
says on the tun and we're actually.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's not the problem here though, Chloe. That's not the
problem with this council. It is part of the.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Problem if you think about the legacy of issues that
have got to that place where that kind of deficit
and the decisions and trade offs that are having to
be made. And I'd say that this is actually even
something that Simon Brown said on the campaign trail during
twenty twenty three when he spoke to the fact that
there would need to be some form of what he
called local or SETI deals I think appealing.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, but come on, Chloe, look look at all the
councils around the country who are managing to make the
situation work without having the infighting that's going on with
this council, without having to go back and re litigate
really really.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Significant parts of their long term plan. This is a
Wellington City Council problem. And the reason I'm asking you
about it is because this is the only council in
the country that has a Green mayor, so it reflects
badly on the Green Party.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Sure, and I'm sure that those points will we made
and plenty of commentary and throughout talkback, but the point
again remains that we're not addressing the fundamental issue here.
Sure there are observers coming in, but that doesn't address
the basic fundamental premise that local governments across the country
do not have the resources to achieve the infrastructural.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I get that, I get what you're saying, but I'm
asking you about something else, which is how you feel
about the situation where you've got this one. You guys
have celebrated the fact it's the first Green mayor and
she's a complete stuff up.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I'm not a Wellingtonian. I have voted in the Auckland
local body elections, but Wellingtonians voted for this council, and
this council has made that democratic decision. And there's a
lot of different political machinations that are obviously at play there.
And again we'd say that this is simply a function
of a need to sort out those fundamental problems with
local government.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Speaking of candidates. You know Tory wants to come and
become an MP with you guys, Are you gonna letter.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
That we're getting far ahead of ourselves on that one?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I think, yeah, that's actually a very good answer. We are,
aren't we? Chloe? Thank you very much. Chloe Swarbrick, co
leader of the Greens on Tory as I say, she's
holding a press conference and we'll get you across that
very shortly. Sixteen past fourtyar too.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
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Speaker 2 (09:14):
It's long time, long past time for meyor Tory Fano
to walk the plant. Tory Fano says she's not even
close to resigning. Sorry about that's not going to happen.
Darcy water Grave, sports talk host with US at nineteen
past four, Hey does hello, Heather, So, who's in the
all black squad that you were interested in? This is
for the Japan game?

Speaker 6 (09:30):
Well, I think that Love and Lark Eye the two
interesting ones the debt that have turned up course better
Lucky comes with so much around him after his performances
this year because we've lost all of our sports to injury.
It's like h Next came off the rank, get up
there and and we're looking forward to seeing what he
does intense. It is for him, it is I hate

(09:52):
to say, it is only Japan, and I don't really
want to dismiss the efforts of another team because that
normally comes back and bites you in the back. But
I'm not playing, so it doesn't really matter. So Ruben
Love would be good to watch too.

Speaker 7 (10:05):
Across the team itself. I think Pasili Tossi it's is
only his first start, second test, coming in as a prop.
What of Satiti getting to watch him play in his
proper possession of number eight. I think there'd be a
lot of people interested in to see that, and some
of Benny fin Now coming in at six. It's been

(10:27):
ineffective to a degree, so a lot on him. But
like most of these all blacks Japan game, the Japan
aren't expected to test the all Black No, it's a
case of everyone's had a cup of teen to lie down,
They're going to come back now, They're going to blow
some cobwebs out and.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
Then get ready for the mentors Ireland and France and
a number of these guys. Cam Roygard is starting too,
i might add, and it shouldn't really brush over that one.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
He's a rather important part of.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
This situations set up. So roy Guard are looking to
blow lots of cob webs. You can start in that
first up.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
So we've finally got the ten sports that are going
to be included in the Commonwealth tonight.

Speaker 6 (11:07):
It's not one official yet, but where you're getting this
list from pretty much where's this list from? Well, it's
the preferred list, it's the apparently a number. This is
what we believe that.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I'm surprised divings out why because you've got the facility,
you're a ready doing your swimming thing there, and diving
is quite a spectacular thing to watch, right, It's much
more spectacular than watching bowls, for God's sake. So you've
got the There's a.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Lot more Commonwealth fell, isn't it. There's a lot of
Commonwealth nations that actually play bowls, so it's more reflective.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Of nations who do diving.

Speaker 6 (11:45):
I'd say that's on the ground because it is. It's
a lot thicker the bowls world, and they don't really
have anywhere else to stretch the execution.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I mean, is the deciding factor here where the bowls
is at the Olympics or divings at there? Like is
it going to be the pinnacle for the sport and bowls?
This is the pinnacle for bowls, whereas diving. You're going
to take it to the Olympics, aren't you.

Speaker 8 (12:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (12:06):
I got the sports that around and there's a lot
of power versions of this as well, athletics, swimming, artistic
gymnastics not a sport, track, cycling, netball, weightlifting, boxing, two bowls,
three on three basketball. I'm sorry, it's an interpretive dance.
I know, you've got to be very fit.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Why are they including crap like this?

Speaker 6 (12:23):
I don't know. And it's all based on judging, which
always blows myakming out of the water because I love boxing,
but that's basically judging. They don't knock the other guy out.
It does come down to interpretive dance, violence and a strange.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Not sorry to see the back of hockey though, that's right.

Speaker 8 (12:40):
It doesn't ruby seven at the Olympic I know.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
For me, though, this is an event that is desperate
to be euthanized, but no one's really willing to load
up the bolt and pop it.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yep, you know. Yeah, well it's euthanizing itself at this rate.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
I suppose it is.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
While we tune in for our artists. People are going
to buy into this and I want to basketball.

Speaker 6 (13:02):
It's been cut from nineteen down to ten of these.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
All right, dars, listen, thank you. I've got to get
on too, Tory, you mate, So yeah, all that good?
Thanks you. I appreciate it. Darcy Watergrave sports talk host
back at seven four twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Three, digging deeper into the day's headlines. It's Heather duper
c Allen Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected
and use talks.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
That'd be Heather. A diving pool is completely different from
a swimming pool. Okay, thank you for Claire clarifying Mars.
I wouldn't listen to me. I don't watch this nonsense
and probably never will now. Torri Farno, as I was
telling you, is just holding a press conference on the
news that the Government's going to intervene in Wellington City Council.

Speaker 9 (13:39):
The minister has fairly pointed out instances where counselors have
walked out of meetings, refused to vote, and have also
publicly criticized each other and council staff. I hope this
intervention serves as a reminder to counselors that actually, we
all hold incredibly important roles on behalf of our city
and we must do better.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I mean, honestly, Ory Faro is just unba believable.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
She is.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Do you know what she's doing there? She's like, that's
all the other counselors walking out of the meetings and
stuff like that. It's that's why saman called the people
no mate. Read the press release. Read the press release.
Simeon's put out a press release basically outlining why he's intervening,
making it very clear that finances are a huge part
of the problem. He's really worried that Wellington City Council

(14:27):
about the way that it's structuring how it's going to
pay for the pipes. Like it's paying for the pipes, right,
it's put money aside for that, it's how it funds that.
And he's worried that they're forcing current rate pays to
pay the bulk of it and not future rate pays
when he would rather they spread it out, so what
he says is only six percent of the cost, it's
about sixty six million bucks or something like that, is

(14:48):
being put into debt. The rest of it, which is
well over a billion dollars, is being funded through current
current rates right, which he reckons as nuts because he's
already set up a fund where all councils around the
country can get access to cheap debt by the local
government funding arrangement or whatever it's called. This replaced three
waters so they can get access to cheap debt to
be able to fix the pipes, rather than making all

(15:08):
the poor sods living in Wellington currently pay for it. Anyway,
this is a recurring theme, by the way, with Wellington.
The more I find out about what's going on with
the finances, the more freaked out I am. These people
literally have no idea what to do. Anyway, Remember last week,
Tim Brown, the counselor, was like, no, government's not going
to intervene. He owes me a beer because we bet
a beer on that, and he's with us. After five Headline's.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Next the day's newsweakers talked to Heather first, Heather Duper
c Allen drive with one new Zealand. Let's get connected
and you talk z be.

Speaker 10 (15:58):
Here.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
The Torrifino is the gas of all gas lighters. She's
really good at it. She is very good at it.
There is a It worries me that there are quite
a few lady politicians, and it seems to be really
strong with the lady politicians. I'm thinking to Sinda, Tory
and Karmela, all three of whom are really good at
standing there and just doing the ha it's fine thing,

(16:22):
when actually it's really not fine, but they're really good
at that performance. Anyway, I don't know why women are
better at at the men. That is an entirely sexist
comment from me, one that I feel quite fine making
because I'm only having a crack at my own gender.
And that's okay. It's free shots at yourself. You're allowed.
Hey about the youth Justice facility, everyone's off the roof.
Apparently the last one of them came down at eleven today.

(16:44):
It turns out it wasn't just one group who when
it was actually two separate groups who decide who somehow
just went onto the roof at the same time. Are
one of the teens unfortunately injured themselves in the process
getting up on the roof and they definitely were breaking
the thing up. These photographs now online you can have
a look the same of pulling out the insulation and
the wooden support beams and waving them overhead and just
behaving like clowns. Karen sure the Children's Minister is going

(17:06):
to be with us. Temp Us five explained to us
what is going to happen to these young people, how
they're going to be punished. If they're going to be punished,
and I suspect they are twenty three away from five, it's.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
The world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
The King and Queen have attended a community barbecue and
Saturday in Sydney this afternoon, on the final day of
their visit. To Ozzie, spokesperson for the Australian Monarchist League,
said he was sure the King would enjoy the barbie.

Speaker 11 (17:30):
I heard that there was going to be some Vietnamese
and Mediterranean.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Sausages for him, so.

Speaker 11 (17:37):
I'm not sure if that's up easilly, but I hope
it will be.

Speaker 6 (17:40):
I mean that sounds like it's going to be a
great time.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
No sign of Lydia thorpe there yet. You know, but
she might turn up. Ozzie corresponded, MURRIOLSI sizzled a few
Saucys in his time. He's going to be us shortly
on that. Now, seven new sexual abuse lawsuits have been
filed against Diddy p Diddy Sean Combs in New York.
Four men and three women have been anonymously who have
have anonymously accused the rapper and the record label boss
of sexually assaulting them. BBC correspondent Emma Vadi says some

(18:06):
other celebrities have been accused of wrongdoing in these lawsuits
as well.

Speaker 12 (18:09):
Those celebrities aren't named in this lawsuit. Of course, we
imagine that between the alleged victims and lawyers that the
names of the celebrities are being discussed there but haven't
yet been mentioned publicly, just called celebrity A and celebrity B.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
And finally, a couple of red pandas in the zoo
in England have given their keepers a couple of small
furry surprises. One of the pandas is she for me
and the other one is pan. They made a little
bit of a habit of sneaking off together during the
red panda breeding season and now she for Me has
given birth to twins. As spokesperson for the zoo, says
they can house these unexpected additions to the family for

(18:44):
a while, but like all parents, she for Me and
Pan will eventually start pressuring their kids to move out
of home and get their own territory.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
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Speaker 2 (18:57):
Muriold's OLSI correspondents with us. Now, Hey, mus good afternoon, Barbie.

Speaker 13 (19:01):
Going apparently going very very well.

Speaker 14 (19:04):
My invitation was lost.

Speaker 15 (19:05):
In the.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Have we lost Mars? Muzz said the word lost and
then we lost Mars, which I think is kind of yeah.
We're going to get him back on the phone, which
is ironic, isn't it? Here? The Brendan must be really good.
This is the new Green MP. If he's behind Darlene
on the Greens list, that's from Matt and Wellington. It's
a fair point. I mean, if they're starting to dredge
the bottom mant I mean, didn't Celia make it back
the other day when one of the MPs was out.

(19:32):
Celia's back in the house. Celia. Celia, by the way,
being one of the long list of Wellington mayors who's
done a crappy job. Celia's back and so when you
start bringing Celia back in from a former life and
putting her in Parliament, everybody under that is a bit so.
While Chloe's talking, Brendan up. We'll see anyway, Bury Sop
is going to be us shortly on that. Murray holds
us back with us muzz.

Speaker 14 (19:52):
Apologies Hea, there's some royal gremlin got into the telephone system.
But yes, look paramout a park this afternoon, big crowds.
It's a glorious the day. It's the final full day
for the King and Queen in Sydney. There's a big
naval salute. I'm not sure exact the exact phrase that
one uses when the reigning King, the Monarch of Australia,

(20:15):
you know, acknowledges a flotilla of the Australian Navy. All
five ships in the Australian Navy will make their way
past the King. But look, it's been a super well
received visit with the exception of what you thought you
mentioned her before. And it depends who you talk to
whether or not she's condemned or she's praised. I mean
a lot of people are saying well done, Lidea, you know,

(20:38):
for raising the issue of indigenous plight, you know in Australia,
because let's face it, King Charles, long before he went
on the throne, he had this passion for all sorts
of matters that perhaps weren't normal royal matters, you know,
so indigenous rights is one of them. Many others are saying,
what a grand standard. Get rid of her. Look, she

(21:00):
made a point, went around the world. She's pretty happy.
I heard her this morning being interviewed, and the royal
visit continues.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
What do you make of this teenager who accidentally killed
the police commissioner's son, skip and jail terrible?

Speaker 14 (21:14):
Well, look, this young there's a bit of background to this.
There's a thing over here called schoolies, end of high
school kids traditionally go out that almost all of them
are of legal drinking age. And apparently this night down
south of Adelaide, everybody was on the source, including the
police commissioner's son. He was there with a whole bunch

(21:35):
of his friends, and this young fellow who was driving
hadn't had a drink, but for reasons that still a
little bit murky, he panicked. He was surrounded by all
these kids who were allegedly drunk. He panics, he flows
the car, He sends this young man flying and drives away. Now,

(21:57):
he was already sentenced to and pleaded guilty of beg
your pardon the waggravated driving without care and leaving the
seat of a crash. So he's been banned for driving
for ten years, but the judge today ordered a sentence
one year, one month and seven days, non parole of
seven months be suspended on the condition he'd be of
good behavior for two years. I mean, everyone was shattered.

(22:19):
The young fellow at the wheel, he didn't want to
kill this kid. He just panicked. He saw all these
kids around his car and thought they're going to beat
the tripe out of me, and so he's just rowed away.
And tragically, this young man suffered a reversible brain damage
and they turned him off in hospital. It's just a
tragic situation.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, Jesus half appearance with that kind of stuff, I'd imagine. Listen, muz,
what's the story with Mickey the cockatoo. Has he been saved?

Speaker 14 (22:46):
Well, we're still waiting for a an update this afternoon.
But I did speak to the Environment Minister this morning
and thanks to Ministerial and intervention, Mickey the cockatoo is
going to be spared. I mean you're talking about Polly Want.
Mickey's rocked up at the MacArthur Square shopping center in
Southwest Sydney a month ago. Well, he's been on the
cockatoo buffet. Apparently he's put on so much weight he

(23:08):
looks like a bloody eagle. And everybody was a bit
over him because he's pooling everywhere on Polly Winder, Cracker,
give me that loaf of bread, Coldian Nevers AlSi there, Wilworths, Poles,
Baker's Delight, you name it. They're all lining up to
feed him. So somebody the word got out, someone was
going to take an air gun.

Speaker 16 (23:24):
And put him out of dis pissery.

Speaker 14 (23:25):
Well the minister heard of this, Minister at intervention Polly
Want a cracker when he's going to be caught and
released into the wild, and I think everybody was quite happy.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, well at least that ended. Well, Mars, thank you
so much, appreciate it. Murray Old's Australia correspondent. This is
the This is the notice that let us know that
Darlene had been booted from Parliament. Speaker put it out
Notice of the Gazette. I Jared Anthony Brownley, Speaker of
the House of Representatives, give notice that the seat of
Darling Tanner has become vacant by reason of her ceasing

(23:55):
to be a parliamentary member of the Green Party of
Altzi Or in New Zealand. Now, if you listening on Friday,
you will know Barry gave us a bump steer on
this because he said, na, no, no, doesn't sound like
Darling's going to get kicked out. Everybody thinks Darling's getting
kicked out on Tuesday. But I've heard Darling's not getting
kicked out on Tuesday. Well, Darling did get kicked out
on Tuesday, So what happened there? He's with us next
sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
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Speaker 2 (24:20):
Certaday Barry so, Senior political correspondence with us right now, Hey, Barry.

Speaker 8 (24:24):
Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay, so, the Observer apported to Wellington City Council.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
Fair enough, Yes, well, if you listen to Tory fannow
that she's got a very cordial relationship with.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Nothing to see him.

Speaker 8 (24:39):
She's he said, and it was quite a strong statement
he put out. He said that he had been concerned
about the council's ability to manage their long term plan
and the department has advisors. They were also estimated that
the council's financing approach to water services would see residents
city residents paying up to seven hundred million dollars more

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in rates over the next ten years. Now you know,
if that isn't a shot across the bow of the
Wellington City Council and what a bad job they're doing.
I don't know what is The council observer's role essentially
is to be there on behalf of the minister. He
or she will sit there and take note of what

(25:26):
the council's doing, report on a regular basis, I would
imagine back to the Minister and will yes, indeed, and
we'll decide whether any further action should be taken. Well
fin out Tory found hour, as you said, have has
just given a news conference. She's taken it all in
her stride, saying she's got that great relationship. The Mayor's

(25:48):
relaxed about the council's uncertainty over their long term plan.

Speaker 9 (25:53):
Councils means their long term plans. You know often and
this is kind of no different to that. However, I
do understand there has been a lot more media attention,
a lot more political theater around this issue, and that
the minister has concerns. That's okay, We're going to work
collaboratively with him. I certainly hope it doesn't set a
precedent for other councils.

Speaker 17 (26:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (26:13):
See, she's worried about everybody else, not about the Wellington Council.
I'll tell you what, if you're a Wellington rate payer
listening into this, guess who's paying the bill for the.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Observer, the Wellington Wellington rate payers. She's well on top
of all the other bills, on top of your Now,
what's up with the bum steer you gave us on
Friday about Darlene.

Speaker 8 (26:32):
Well I'm you know, you can do a bum steer
every now and then. I'll do a Tory fine now
on this.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Nothing to see, nothing to see here.

Speaker 8 (26:40):
I'm entitled to get it wrong every now and then. Now,
what happened heither was that? Certainly I was given the.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
I just want you to know before you carry on,
the standards at Newstalk ZBA somewhat higher than Wellington City Council.
So that's not going to fly. Okay, we have an
observer with you in a minute.

Speaker 8 (26:54):
I was given for his strong advice from those who
should be in the know in the bee Hive that
they would wait for the outcome of the Court of
Appeal case because and I've talked to a few leading
lawyers today about that. You imagine if the Court of
Appeal now decides that the Greens got it wrong by
sacking Darley Tana, where is that lever She's on the

(27:17):
outer and now in Parliament. But you know it basically
legally could present a big problem.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Is it a flex by Jerry Brownlee? Then, because because
there's this massive debate that's going on right now about
which which actually has the greater power. Is it Parliament
or is it the court?

Speaker 8 (27:37):
Well, basically it's Parliament giving the finger to the courts.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Well, isn't by Jerry?

Speaker 8 (27:42):
It could be vice versas. So we'll see that over
the next few weeks, I guess. So this is how
Darleying Tana would have heard her fate being decided by
Parliament Speaker Jerry Browne this afternoon.

Speaker 15 (27:55):
This is a serious matter and the first time that
the provisions inserted into the Electoral Act by whatever amendment
in twenty eighteen have been used to declare a seat vacant.
Unsatisfied that the notion, sorry, the motion delivered to me
by the parliamentary leaders of the Green Party of Alta
Ro New Zealand complies with section fifty five c of
the Electroact nineteen ninety three. Accordingly, I've given notice that

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the seat has become vacant.

Speaker 8 (28:19):
See the only other time it's been used, and it
was a different Act then because it has been amended,
as Jerry Browne said, was Dona Terry Huata. She was
kicked out of the Act part using this piece of legislation.
But it's been further refined and that's what we saw
being used today.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Okay, Now, did Andrew Bailey go to a brewery before
he went to the vineyard and pulled the l shape?

Speaker 8 (28:44):
Well, you know they're not certainly not letting the Bailey
issue rest was very much to the forum. The debating
chambers to day, Chris Hipkins lambasted the Prime Minister for
his handling of the matter, saying essentially that Bailey should
be demoted. It was his labour's young MP Arena Williams, though,
who got to the point with Bailey after he again

(29:06):
gave a groveling apology.

Speaker 18 (29:07):
I was wrong, but I intended the comments in a
light hearted manner. Unfortunately its cause hurt an offence and
for that reason I've apologize unreservedly to the individual.

Speaker 17 (29:20):
So he had any alcohol at the beer garden or
the winery he visited that day? No is he saying
that he visited a beer garden and a winery. But
the person fudging the truth about his drinking is the worker.

Speaker 18 (29:32):
That unrelated You asked me whether I had alcohol and
I said no, Yeah.

Speaker 8 (29:37):
So that's a Tory fine hour as well. No problems,
nothing to see. But you have to take Andrew Bailey
out his word. I mean, you know he may have
been at those places. If he says he didn't have
a drink, did well?

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I mean, you can't lie about stuff like this, right,
Because there's one photo of you with a beer glass
in the hand. Now you're in big trouble, right, and
then we start getting into.

Speaker 8 (30:00):
You will be really big trouble. You're absolutely right if
he spottled at a beer garden with the glass in
his hand or out of winery on days. Sure he's
wise enough, wiser than some other politicians not to have
gone down that track without being familiar with what could happen.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, Barry, thanks very much, really appreciate it, very so
for seeing your political correspondence coming up seven away from
five putting.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 19 (30:32):
Cime ministers with us Chrystoper luxon, how do you explain
a minister of the crown going up to a person
that he's literally never met in going why don't you
get some wine.

Speaker 13 (30:41):
And f off you lose? How does that evoult any?

Speaker 20 (30:44):
I mean, he got it very very wrong.

Speaker 21 (30:45):
I mean he can sort of dispute stories on both
sides as to what exactly was said or wasn't said,
But the bottom line is from his perspective, he owns
it completely. And that's why you sort in front it
very strongly off.

Speaker 15 (30:55):
Can you fatherm at that here as well?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well?

Speaker 21 (30:57):
I mean again no I can't. I mean that's why
I said to him, it's pretty to appointing. They aren't
the standards or the language or the behavior that I
would expect to my minister as you hold the position
twenty four to seven. The reality is he caused her
to an insult and he acknowledges.

Speaker 19 (31:07):
That back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast
with the Rain driver of the Lahm News talk z b.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Uh Tory Faro a little bit more from her press conference.
She was asked whether she agreed with the accusation of
financial mismanagement at Wellington City Council. She said this, no,
I don't.

Speaker 9 (31:23):
I was surprised by those comments because it's not an
issue that has been raised recently.

Speaker 22 (31:28):
Nothing to see here.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
The reason it hasn't been raised recently is because they
did that weird thing where they got together for the meeting.
I remember she called the meeting with Simeon, went to
the beehive, and then never discussed whether the government was
going to intervene. Just didn't talk about it. So that's
probably why it wasn't raised. Now, listen to the American election.
The economist I told you last week, I said to yet,
Trump's going to win this, right because the polls have
shifted in his favor and the key swing states he's

(31:53):
going to win this. The economist, and I'm just watching
all of these these various publications start to reflect us,
and the economists of the l that I spotted today
has just updated its statistical model of the presidential election
now calling it for Donald Trump at this stage. Now
things change, so it's not static, but at this stage
they're calling it for Donald Trump fifty four percent chance

(32:13):
that he wins the White House just a couple of
weeks time, Harris is on a forty five percent chance.
That's a massive gap. That's a nine percent gap right
the reason what they're seeing happen here, and by the way,
he's got up six percent just in the past week,
so there's a massive shift has happened for him. What
happened was that in July, shortly after she was picked
for the Democrats, a whole bunch of people who had

(32:34):
indicated they were going to vote for third party candidates
started to back her and really firmed up her support base.
The economist reckons that what you're seeing right now is
a similar kind of consolidation for him. So a bunch
of soft Republicans probably thought about voting for a third
party candidate. They can see how tight the race is now,
so now they're switching to him, So it's firmed up
for him. She still has an enormous chance, like a

(32:57):
three quarter chance of winning the popular vote. But it's
not about the popular vote in the American system, right,
It is about winning the states in order to get
enough of the electoral College vote. And he wins on
that because he's going to take the swing stakes. Watch
this happen. Brace yourself for it anyway. Listen Tim Brown,
who owes me a beer? Wellington councilor with us next newstrip.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Sib pressing the newspakers to get the real story. It's
hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected news talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Good afternoon. As predicted, the government has decided to appoint
a Crown observer after all. To Wellington Council. The Minister's
explained what he's worried about. He's worried about counselors walking
out of meetings, councilors confused about decisions, counselors criticizing each
other publicly, and the council overcharging rate payers currently as
much as seven hundred million dollars over the next ten
years for fixing the pipes. Now, Tim Brown is a

(33:57):
Wellington City councilor. High Tim, how are you I'm very well,
thank you. How are you? What did I tell you?

Speaker 7 (34:03):
Tim?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
What did I tell you?

Speaker 16 (34:05):
I know you're either you're way better connected or you're
far more or said than I am. Not see this coming, though, Tim,
because I think I misinterpreted. I mean, I think some
people are on the council table did, but I think
that I personally thought it wasn't necessary. But I realized
that basically what the minister has done is appoint somebody

(34:25):
to inform him. So, you know, there's a lot of
rhetoric about the observers going to help us you arrive
at the right decision, blah blah blah, But at the
end of the day, he's put somebody in the room
so that they can go to him and say, hey,
saman it's not working, to fire these guys and move on.
So so I hadn't I hadn't quite thought he needed

(34:47):
to have somebody because I thought that zed B would
have done a good enough job to keep him reform.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
So thanks thanks for crediting us. No, but I mean,
can you see what this is, Tim, Because this is
the first step towards commissioners right that that that person
will be appointed as basically a knark to the government.
So unless you guys start making sound financial decisions, it
gets upgraded to full taking over the whole show.

Speaker 16 (35:08):
Yeah, that's exactly right. That is precisely on the money, right,
so we won't be having the bet on that one.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, Well, explain something to me because I am also
now curious about something that Simeon Brown has pointed out here.
He's quite concerned about how you guys are funding your
pipe fixing. So he says only six percent of the
pipe fixing, that sixty six million dollars is coming through
debt and the rest over a billion dollars is coming
through rates. Why have you structured it like that?

Speaker 16 (35:38):
The first thing I'd say, just sort of macro level,
is that within council you can sure can probably imagine
counselors always wanted their fun things. They always wanted their
fun because of course they don't have pits up today's
rate players. So there's a massive propensity to want a
debt fund if you possibly can. So there's there's definitely

(36:02):
no lack of will not me And I'm saying because
I'm an extreme fiscal conservative and I don't believe in
council having lots of debt, and I see the whole
long term plan exercise being to cut debt, not to
increase debt. So it's kind of where that the Minister
is now said you should be.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
But tim why this is important is that in the
wake of the wake of three Waters has set up
a funding program that gives you cheap debt for exactly this.

Speaker 16 (36:26):
No, but it's a it's not cheap because if you borrow,
you know, a million dollars, you do have to repay
the million dollars and you have to pay interest on
top of a million dollars. So it's you know, it's
it's is just cost deferred, it's not a cost avoided.
And the reality is that it's very complicated. And as
I say that round the council table, there is always

(36:48):
enthusiasms debt fund things if possible. So the advice we've
received from our offices is that is that we have
to do it this particular way. And there are lots
of other extenuating reasons why this particular number, which is
plucked out of a much more comprehensive piece of financial information,
is actually fundamentally incorrect.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I'm a bit worried about it.

Speaker 16 (37:10):
Yeah, but I's going to say, well, into City Council
is not out there foolishly whacking current rate payers where
it could actually be doing it by way of debt
and making some future bunch of rate payers who will
have a different bunch of councilors paid. We are definitely
not if you like deferring the use of debt. We're

(37:31):
using as much den as we possibly can, in fact
too much.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Are you going to scrap the Golden Male project?

Speaker 16 (37:38):
Well, you can be certain that I personally would. I mean,
but again, this is where the council laws have to
actually slug it out, because there are definitely at least
half a dozen of us who would happily can the
whole thing tomorrow. But half it does. It doesn't give
you a majority. So this is where Toy's trading is
going to have to come off, because, as you know,

(37:59):
the Golden Mine I has got two components. It's got
the Courtney Place component, which is highly developed and all
ready to go almost and then you have to get
a key end and I we're about to get rid
of both parts of it. But some counselors would happily go, okay,
we've got to do something at Courtny places to sort
that out and get rid of the rest. But that's

(38:20):
that's the trading which Tory is going to have to organize.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, hey, so next year for the beer once I've
had this baby, or come have a beer with you.

Speaker 16 (38:28):
No, it's champagne. I'm definitely buying here a champagne. You've
got two babies. You deserve champagne.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
You're upgrading it, Tim, Do you know what I can?

Speaker 5 (38:34):
I can?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I mean, I'm worried about your your financial nouse just
upgrading me for free. But I'm going to take you
up on that.

Speaker 16 (38:42):
Well, of course that depends on whether I'm a job
or not.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Very good point a Jim. Thank you very much mate,
look after yourself. Tim Brown, Wellington City councilor he.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
The dou for see Ellen.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
All the naughty kids on the roof of the Youth
Justice Facility have come down. The last of the thirteen
who climbed onto the roof of Witty Quarterway Monarchi Facility
came down before eleven this morning. Minister for Children, Karen
Sure's with us now, Karen Hallo cured it.

Speaker 23 (39:05):
How's it going?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Very good? Thank you? How these guys are going to
get punished.

Speaker 23 (39:09):
Oh, there's a lot going on at the moment, and
police have kind of taken over in that area. They
will be facing consequences through the police laying charges where
they will be criminally reliable for the damage that has
been done to the property.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
All thirteen of them, the.

Speaker 23 (39:30):
Ones that we have seen damage the property, will be
charged for that and there will be more to come.
But that's really up to the police to make those decisions. Now.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Is it true that they were demanding Big Matt Combo's
cigarettes and a getaway car.

Speaker 23 (39:48):
Yeah, I heard those stories being reported, but I've been
assured by OT that no demands were made by these
young people to staff or to anyone with a note,
and even if mums were being made, they would not
have been met. As is not a negotiation and there's
no excuse for this behavior and we won't be negotiating

(40:09):
in that way.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Karen, Are you're worried about how these kids keep on
getting up there because this is not the first time
they've made it onto the roof of this particular facility.

Speaker 23 (40:17):
Yeah, and you do have a good point there, But
if we look at all the work that's been put
into these youth Justice facilities. In this last year alone,
and particularly in this particular youth Justice facility, we have
put a little improvement into lifting the safety and security
of that residence. They've obviously found another way and the

(40:39):
work has begun now to assist how that has happened.
But we've had one incident this year compared to fifteen
the year before, so that shows the work that has
been put in with staff training and lifting the safety
and security that this is not happening as much as
it was previously, and we're also not going to tolerate it.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Good stuff, Karen, thank you very much, appreciate it. Karen Sure,
Minister for Children. Listen, we've finally got a statement. It's
taken eleven weeks. Kee, we rail have explained what went
wrong with that theory that ran into the berth and Wellington.
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Thirty forty fifty sixty years into the future, which I
think is the point that Sammon Brown's trying to make.
Thanks for making that point as well. Listen nineteen past five. Now,

(42:24):
the partner of Jan Fei Bao has told the High
Court in christ Church about the moment he realized something
was wrong. The Crown is claiming that the christ Church
real estate was murdered by Tingjin Choo. He denies this.
Newstalk ZB reporter Emily Anzel's been and caught again today
for us. Hey, Emily, Now, what did the partner, Paul
Gooch say about the last time he saw her?

Speaker 24 (42:44):
Well?

Speaker 22 (42:44):
He said today that the last time he saw his
partner was in the morning that she disappeared. He said
he got up before seven and followed the usual routine,
but Bao was asleep when he left, so he gave
her a kiss on the forehead before hitting out the door.
He says limited chmmunication between them during the day was
usual as their jobs were busy. He did send her

(43:04):
a text after work saying, hi, honey, just heading to
the gym. Now catch up when I'm back home later,
But unfortunately he did return to a dark house.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
When did he realize something must be wrong.

Speaker 22 (43:17):
Well, he said that while he was picking up takeaways
after the gym, he realized he'd had a few missed
calls from the after school care company where Young Fay's
daughter was at, and so once home, a neighbor informed
him that the school care after school care stuff had
been had stopped by to try and see if anyone
was home and to let them know that no one
had collected her. It was the plan for young Fabau

(43:40):
to pick her up, he said. When he got home,
he checked the dishwasher to see if bows lunch dishes
were there, as usually she would come home and eat,
but they weren't, and so after that calling her frequently,
she wasn't packing up. And then when he picked his
daughter up from the police station and friends weren't able
to get in touch. That's when he said he grew
really concerned and eventually reported her missing at about ten thirty.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Sounds like he got a little bit testy when the
accused lawyer was questioning him.

Speaker 22 (44:07):
Yeah, so throughout most of the cross examination from both
the Crown and defense, he was very calm considering the circumstances,
but there was a slight rise intention so the defense
asked a couple questions about arrangements, current arrangements with her
daughter schooling and where she's living, and at one point
when the defense lawyer, Colin Eson referred to Bao as

(44:29):
missing when speaking about her daughter, Girt replied, her mother
is not missing.

Speaker 24 (44:34):
Her mother is.

Speaker 22 (44:35):
Dead, and there was some audible frustration there. Earlier on,
he had also corrected Ethan's pronunciation of her daughter's nickname
and then appeared to call him a prack under his
breath once a cross examination finished. But as I said,
throughout most of the questioning, he was very cool, calm
and collected.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It appeared all right, hey, thank you very much, Emily appreciated.
Emily ansel newstalks. He'd be report of five twenty one
New Trust.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
To get the answers you need, Heather Dupless, Alan Drive
were one New Zealand, let's get connected a news talk as.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
They'd be, Heather, why didn't they just get Andrew Bailey
to talk to the Youth Justice kids protesting on the roof,
tell them they wear losers and f off back inside
and make the owl sign. It would have probably worked
quite quite well, actually, because nobody wants to be a
loser setting up on the roof by yourself do year
five twenty four now listen not every day. I like
what I see from a council, and of course today
we've got the Government finally intervening in one council. But

(45:30):
as a result of basically all the stick we give counsels,
I also want to give a shout out to a
council that I actually like something that they're doing. This
is Ashburton District Council. And the reason I like what
they're doing is they have resisted some really crazy ideas today.
So apparently the locals in Ashburton, or not all the locals.
I don't want to tie everybody with the same brush,
but some locals in Ashburton have asked the council to

(45:50):
build and pay for activities for local kids and teenagers
because apparently the kids and teenagers are bored and don't
have enough things to do. And some of the suggestions
from the parentals are maybe the council can build a
bowling alley or a gaming arcade or even a chipmunks Now,
first of all, as the district councilor Phil Hooper quite

(46:11):
rightly says, it is not the place of a council
to pay for that kind of thing. I do get
their councils already have set a precedent right that they
do pay for some recreational things like playgrounds and parks
and stuff like that. But surely a gaming arcade, and
for God's sake, a chipmunks is going a little bit far,
isn't it. But also, and look, this is going to
be slightly random. I accept that, but as a new parent,

(46:35):
I spend a lot of time thinking about this. I'm
surprised Ashburton locals are asking for this kind of nonsense.
I would have thought that Ashburton is one of the
few places left in the world, but certainly one of
the places in this country where you can actually raise
kids the way that we were raised to free range
and do fun things. Go outdoors, burn your energy, doing
something constructive, play without intense parental supervision. I mean, is

(46:59):
playing video games inside a gaming arcade actually what we
want for our kids? Do we want them hunched over
screens for hours on end, putting little coins in and
toggling little thing and make the little cars go fast
while indoors getting absolutely no sunlight at all. I mean,
the alternative obviously, is they grab a scooter or they
grab themselves a skateboard, they head down to the local
skate park, test the limits of their confidence and their

(47:20):
skills while sucking in the vitamin D from the sun
and also getting all the health benefits of being outside
and the clean air. Or I don't know, grabbing a
bicycle going for a ride on one of the cycle
trails around town. I look at Ashburton today, I counted
about a dozen parks. They've got a skate park in
the middle of the town. There got some awesome cycle
trails going on. What do you mean the kids are
board tell them to go outside? I mean, I think

(47:43):
us parents have to have a good long think about
what we are doing to our kids if we think
that giving them the option of a gaming arcade indoors
is a better thing to do and telling them to
grab a bicycle and go outside, get lost in the
woods for a bit, go and skate or some thing
like that. Anyway, Look, as I say, slightly random, but

(48:03):
I do think we need to think about these things.
And good on the council for of all people pushing
back on a nutty idea like that.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Ether Dupicy Ellens.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay, here's what happened to the ferry. It's taken care
we rail eleven weeks to finally figure this out. The
atterre in August ran into the berth in Wellington because
someone couldn't drive it properly. The vessel was positioned too
close to the long part of the wharf as it
approached the berth, which basically means that somebody drove it
at the wrong angle therefore could not turn it properly.

(48:32):
Also had a bit of wind coming at at thirty
to fifty k's had a fifty percent reduction in power
on the starboard side, which sounds like things were falling apart.
I don't really know, but there you go. It took
them eleven weeks to figure out that the person who
was piloting the thing couldn't drive it properly. Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. Heather Dupice Allen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected, and you talk said,
take them.

Speaker 21 (49:06):
Go deep.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Whether you're one thousand percent right, get the brats outdoors, Heather, lady,
you're in La La Land trying pushing your kids outdoors.
They would have you in the stops before you knew it, Barry,
I plan on running the house differently to how you
run the house. Obviously, don't the children need to know
that you're in charge. You say get outdoors, they say
how fast, mama? Well, and if they don't, then you
just withdraw all privileges, et cetera, et cetera like that,

(49:32):
So you basically run it like a like an army camp.
Don't you anyway? Anyway, Chicken with me in fourteen years
when we've hit like fulling full noise into the teenagers,
and we'll see if I'm still feeling as confident Howle's
going to be with us. Shortly listen. Big deal for
SkyTV announced today they've signed Warner Brothers again for the content.
This is really important because they rely very heavily on

(49:52):
on Warner brother movies and TV and stuff. It's like
all that like the Penguin, you know, which is on
at the moment on Neon and Sky TV and back
catalogs of friends and all that kind of stuff. It
really adds to a lot of the content on Sky TV.
There was a risk that Sky that Warner Brothers which
by the way owns TV three, was going to launch
its own platform called Max. This is what they're doing
in Australia to compete with Neon and Netflix and Amazon

(50:15):
and Apple TV and so on. Not going to happen.
They are with Sky. Sky's shares have gone up a
little bit today on the back of it. So we'll
talk to the boss, Sophie Maloney after six. It's twenty
four away from six, Heather duper Zl. Now, as predicted,
the governments had to beef up the proposed new three
strikes law. It's going to drop the qualifying threshold for
the first strike from two years jail down to one

(50:35):
year jail, and it will carry over the strikes from
the last time that the law was around. Associate Minister
of Justice Nicole McKay's with us now, he Nicole.

Speaker 20 (50:43):
Good afternoon, Heather, Nicole.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Did you see the Sensible Sentencing Trusts analysis of how
many more people you're going to catch with us change today?

Speaker 20 (50:51):
I have not seen their analysis today. But what we
have done, Heather, is we've listened to people who have
submitted to us, have called you up and said that
they didn't like the regime as it was, and that
needed to be tougher, and that's exactly what we've done
is listen to them and we've implemented these changes. Well, well,
we've made proposals to implement these changes.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So what the sensible sentence in trust has done is
they had a look at the last time the law
was around. There were twenty five people who got to
the third strike law. According to the way that you're
proposing this law, only seven of them would get to
third strike. But because the changes you made today, more
people will get to third strike. Eight. Yes, that's eight.

(51:33):
How does this sit easy with you that your legislation
as proposed would only catch a third of the bad
guys called last time around.

Speaker 20 (51:42):
Well, at the end of the day, what we are
going to have on modeling of figures that we've got
now is that instead of having eight hundred people getting
a first strike, we're looking at twelve one hundred on
a first strike. We're going to have nine hundred and
fifteen that will be eligible for a second strike. This
is predictedumbers as opposed to two hundred and sixty six,

(52:02):
and we'll be looking at ninety nine people receiving a
third strike as opposed to eleven.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
What period of time are you using here?

Speaker 20 (52:11):
This is over the first ten years, and how to
be over that? It has to be over that time
period because for the second strike it's no parole, so
they have to serve the full time.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
How long the numbers that I was using of twenty
five on third strike last time around the law was
the last time the law was round? How long was
that law around for that? We got to twenty five.

Speaker 20 (52:31):
So that law was implemented over a period of about
eleven years. We did not see the full measure of
it because as I mentioned, people had to serve the
at time. Yes, what we're predicting now over a ten
year period is serious consequence and accountability for those serious
violent offenders. And I think also we need to alleviate

(52:53):
some of the concerns people have out there about petty
crime being picked up on this. It's not about petty
theft or anything like that. This is about serious violence.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
I know, because you've picked forty crimes that people can
get picked up for. But what I want to know
is why are you why are you watering this down
to the extent that of the twenty five people who
reached third strike last time nineteen or what does it
seventeen of them walk away. They don't even get to
third strike. Why are you doing that?

Speaker 20 (53:18):
They won't necessarily walk away because one of the things
that we are reactivating is an introduction of those past
defenses being brought forward into the new regime if they
meet the qualifying criteria. And those twenty five people that
we're serving a third strike will meet the qualifying criteria.
I don't know that you're going to be with them this.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Are you failing to understand my point deliberately or is
it just an accident.

Speaker 20 (53:43):
No, it's because we have found that under the previous
regime we had some minor, lower level offenders being caught
up in the system. And this has always been about
going after those serious files.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
And let me give you. I'll give you an example
of a minor lower level offender. Okay, there's a chap
called Rana Peritomata who ended up being a third striker
because he murdered his girlfriend in twenty nineteen. Under your laws,
he would not be a third striker. He'd be a
second striker because his first strike offense, which is an
aggravated robbery. He was only sentenced to eight months home,
d Nicole, that's not a light offense. That's massive. He

(54:17):
got eight months and your law wouldn't even give him
a first strike. Are you sure you want to do that?

Speaker 20 (54:23):
Yeah, I am sure that we're going about this the
right way because what we've also introduced under this regime
is not only for the judges to be able to
look at manifestly unus and pull out the lower levels,
but also putting some not discretion, but the ability for
the judges to fit within the regime that we are
currently trying to apply. So don't give the minimum sentence.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Why should our friend that ana peritomatter who committed an
aggravated robbery not get a first strike for that.

Speaker 20 (54:54):
What we need to ensure is that those really low
level ones are not captured, but the more serious ones
are robber low level. This guy has committed an offense
that fits the new criteria, then he should absolutely be
stripped or struck for it.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
But because laws strike.

Speaker 20 (55:16):
Because he's already third served a third strike, he will
still be within that system. This is about an escalation, right,
This is about making sure that people are accountable for
the actions that they have committed. But we still can't
make sure that the lower level ones are caught up
on it. So we've got to look at how we
direct or not direct, but how we outline what the judges,

(55:39):
what we expect of the judges in sentencing, while still
giving them the ability to make sure the ones that
just smack somebody's bottom that are not getting twenty years
in prison. So there's a fine line to be had
there and I think that we have made it stricter, stronger.
We're showing accountability to those to those offenders, and we're
going to be looking after the victims. But at the

(56:00):
end of the day, we want to make sure that
those serious violence sexual offenders are locked up and those bringing.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Up I'm just think you're not doing that. That's my
point and Nicole will have to leave it there. Thank
you for your time. I appreciate it as always. Nicole McKey,
Associate Minister of Justice.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
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Speaker 2 (56:21):
All right with us on the Huddle, Ryan Bridge Early
edition host in Tim Wilson with the Maximum Institute. How
are you two?

Speaker 13 (56:27):
Yeah, we're going to.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Come back to the three strikes, but before we get
to that. Do you think Tim, it's a good call
on putting the Crown Observer into Wellington City Council. Yeah,
I think so.

Speaker 13 (56:37):
I mean there's obviously massive dysfunction there.

Speaker 10 (56:39):
They talked a bit about financial issues and financing. That
all seems a bit strange to me. But it's like
there's a toxic environment and so it's like they're bringing
in Auntie Norma. You know. I just want to the
auntie that all the kids are scared of. I just
want to know who's going to get smacked, who's going
to get sacked, and who's going to get stroked. And
I think we'll find figure that out. The seven hundred
million dollar question is when we know who that person is.

(57:02):
Like we knew when Lester Levy showed up, we knew
what was going to happen. I think it'll be the
same when they name the name.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yeah, I feel ryan. The more I see of this
and the more I understand what a Crown Observer is
there to do, which is literally just a knack to
the minister, the more I feel like this is very
much the first step towards commissioners.

Speaker 11 (57:18):
Don't you I don't think don't I'm not on board
with that. The previous government did one in Kuiper Out
with an observer, and it was it was not so
much to tell on the council to squirrel back to
the government. It was more to provide kind of advice
to the councilors and to the council offices about how
you actually run a council. Yeah, so I don't know

(57:39):
about that. I think the minister's statement though, is weird.
And Tim you mentioned it, you know, like in fighting
that happens everywhere. That's not an excuse to put an
observer and the changing the long term plan that happens.
But this whole water thing and the seven hundred million dollars, Like,
what's up with that?

Speaker 2 (57:56):
What do you mean that?

Speaker 10 (57:57):
It's interesting?

Speaker 8 (57:57):
Though?

Speaker 10 (57:58):
Well, I think it's fascinating because you think, wy wouldn't
you take advantage of local wall have done well rather
than so great payers for it?

Speaker 13 (58:04):
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, okay, so Ryan decision. What the argument is is
that you have this availability post the three Waters thing
to take out very cheap debt right through the local
government funding arrangement. You can have this very very cheap
debt that you can spend on your pipes. They have
chosen not to do that, but instead to lump the
current rate pays with about a billion dollars worth of
costs in the end that debt. Is that doing it

(58:28):
that way is more expensive apparently and costs the rate
pays about seven hundred million over ten years extra. So
the decision that the Council's taken is one that's more
expensive for rate pays and the minister saying that's not
the right call.

Speaker 11 (58:41):
Yeah, I know I heard that, But I listened to
your counselor on your show after five and he was saying, well,
debt's more expensive.

Speaker 16 (58:48):
I mean, you're going to pay interest on it, don't you.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah, but if you're not taking the debt. If you're not,
is this an opportunity cost thing?

Speaker 21 (58:55):
Though?

Speaker 2 (58:55):
If you're not taking the debt for that, you're taking
the debt for something else. You're still taking on They're
still taking on debt.

Speaker 14 (59:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (59:01):
I just think it's it's almost working backwards though, this
statement from the minister. You know, the reason that they
got that he got involved in the first place was
to do with the long term plan, and we didn't
hear anything about the water or financing of water infrastructure
and then all of a sudden there's an observer coming
in and this sort of reason has popped up.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
So are you are you saying that he is trying
to justify a decision he's already taken a.

Speaker 11 (59:23):
Bit of reverse engineering.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Is that what you think?

Speaker 13 (59:26):
That's what I think? Oh No, I'm not.

Speaker 10 (59:31):
Look, I think it's see if you guys can play
nicely together and we'll see how we go. And you know,
actually it's interesting total when they were exiting from the Commissioners,
they did apply to install an observer as a transitional mode.
So I do see this observer as possibly a transitional
figure to the next phase if no one plays nicely.

(59:52):
And this is it's also a judgment on Tory farmer
mayors have to create coalitions and and there's just been chaos.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Hey, we'll pack a break. We'll come back in just
to take fourteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
All right, back with the huddle, We've got Tim Wilson,
Ryan Bridge, Tim, I reckon, I'm going to miss Darlian.
What about you?

Speaker 13 (01:00:17):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (01:00:18):
You know, what we're I think I think we're we're
all a bit politically tragic in the sense that, you know,
politics are sport for unhealthy people. This is all interesting
to us. I don't think it's interesting to people who
actually care about real life. You know, remember remember back
in the old days when cabinet ministers were being pursued
by police dogs and everyone was like, why aren't they
be going down with in the polls. It's because New

(01:00:39):
Zealanders are mostly apolitical. So I'll miss her. You'll miss
her probably Ryan will miss her too. I don't know
if anyone else will.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
You miss her?

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Ryan?

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:00:52):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:00:52):
I must say the contrast today, you know, Chloe fronting
that press, another darling press, you know, and another batch
of bad apples and the barrel for the Green Party
and saying to the reporters that the press up. We
want to move on, you know, we need to feed
our people. They're hungry and the planet's burning, et cetera.
And then you've got David Seymour, of all people, feeding

(01:01:14):
those needing hungry kids.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
This is aint Right's supposed to be the other way around. Hey, Ryan,
on the three strikes thing. What I'm confused by is
why Nicole McKee is so hell bent on watering down
three strikes, the first of the original the og version
down to what she's got. Now, why why do this?

Speaker 8 (01:01:40):
Is it?

Speaker 11 (01:01:40):
Because otherwise you run the risk of it just being
repealed again.

Speaker 16 (01:01:44):
I mean, you know, look how long the other one lasted.

Speaker 11 (01:01:46):
Maybe and the next lot comes in. So maybe she's
trying to moderate it a bit so that it actually
stands the test of time. If you make it too extreme, labor,
we'll get back and they'll get rid of it.

Speaker 16 (01:01:55):
And what was the point?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Maybe whan did get repealed anyway? Isn't it one of
those ones that it doesn't really matter what the logic is.
It's just become sort of it's become part of the battle.

Speaker 10 (01:02:05):
It's a bit of a It's a political football, isn't it.
It's like it's like so many other issues in this country.
So for example, you know, healthcare will centralize it, No
will devolve it, Education will centralize, it will devolve it.
I actually, I mean, I know I know that you're
you're a partisan van here, but there's got to be
some some kind of agreement where we go. There's actually

(01:02:25):
some stuff we can't stop.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
And going backwards and forestation again.

Speaker 10 (01:02:30):
I know, I know, I know it winds you up,
but can I at the risk of making peace, I
agree that aggravated robbery isn't a minor offense.

Speaker 14 (01:02:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I thought we're getting over It was a bit of
a we're getting too close to agreeing on things now, Tim,
You've got about a thousand children. Okay, what do you
make of the locals asking Ashburton Council to build a
chipmunks and in a bowling alley and a gaming arcade.

Speaker 10 (01:02:53):
Well, here's the thing. I only speak boys because we
got four boys. So if a boy says on board,
it means one of three things. Number one, I'm hungry.
Number two I haven't run around enough. Number three my
Minecraft thirty minutes is tomorrow. I wanted today. You tell
them to go outside, go and do something else. And
I got to say, also, boredom is the is the
parent to creativity. So I you know, I hived off

(01:03:16):
to New York in my mid thirties because I was
brought out of my mind and follow and Millie growing
up there in my teens. It actually gives birth to
great stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
It does. Yeah, And didn't you Ryan grow up in
a part of the world where you had to go
out doors and cycle for the entertainment.

Speaker 16 (01:03:29):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 11 (01:03:30):
And Mom used to just lock the door. I mean,
if we lock outside and she you know, she's not right,
you know, she'd get home from work she would lock
us that if we were annoying three boys in the house,
she just locked the door and say, go and play.
And what choice did you have?

Speaker 10 (01:03:45):
Yeah, Oh, my dear mother, My dear mother used to say,
I'm on a satur Day.

Speaker 13 (01:03:50):
She'd say, I'm sick of the side of you guys.

Speaker 10 (01:03:52):
Get out of the house. I just want to tidy
up and I'll see you in the afternoon.

Speaker 11 (01:03:57):
Run around right break some buns, you know, I have fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yeah, yeah, that's how you're supposed to grow up. Oh, guys,
I love it. I think both of you should just
keep on breeding. Well, Tim, you should get keep on breeding,
and Ryan you should get started because you'll make great humans.
Thank you, both of you, Ryan Bridge, Tim Wilson aar
hut or seven away from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Talk as Heather, a nine year old, once told me
that bored people are lazy. There's a lot of wisdom
and kids sometimes hear the Judith Collins send her in
as the Crown Observer. Now I got told today that
what they're trying to do, and this is the government
is find a lefty who can be sent in as
the Crown Observer. The only only requisite is that the
lefty can understand books like as in like finances. So

(01:04:49):
that will be somewhat limiting because it's not like a
strength obviously for left wing politicians. And it'll probably be
a former political or something. Okay, I mean I can
think of a few like fran Wilde of former Labour
Party politician can understand books. You could send her in,
but it's probably thin pickings. But anyway, good luck to them.
Sophie Maloney's can be with us shortly. Here's an idea

(01:05:09):
and listen, this challenged me when I read this. Here's
an idea that might challenge you about what you think.
We've got a fertility problem in this country right Not
enough of us are having babies, which means that we
don't have enough workers coming through to pay the taxes
to look after the rest of us when we get old,
which basically means in the end, we're not going to
be able to pay for the pension and the healthcare
that old people need. Blah blah blah. So basically what
we need to do is we need to get on

(01:05:30):
having kids. But how how does the state the state
needs us to have kids, but how does the state
encourage us to have kids? Right, you can't pay people
to have babies, and we're already subsidized early childhood education.
So what do you do? Eric Crampton from the New
Zealand Initiative recons maybe we need to change the car
seat rules. Maybe we shouldn't be forcing parents to strap

(01:05:51):
their kids into child seats until they're seven, and he
points to a study by Jordan Nicholson and David Solomon
who looked at the effects of car safety seat regulation
in the US. The thing there is different states have
different rules around when you need to strap the kids
in and stuff, and in states where kids must be
in child seats, basically families stop at two kids. They
don't have any more kids than that because you can't

(01:06:12):
really fit three car seats in the back of your car, right,
you've got to get a big car and stuff like that.
But in the States where they don't have the rules
that the families keep having kids. So maybe in order
to encourage people to have more kids, we need to
relax the rules around strapping them in. And here's the
really challenging thing. Car seat regulations they reckon might save
about sixty children from dying in car crashes in a

(01:06:34):
year across the States, but they stop eight thousand families
from having babies. So you save sixty, but you don't
have another eight thousand. Maybe you're better off having the
eight thousand and losing the sixty. I said it was
going to challenge you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
We have business and it meets insight the Business Hour
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Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Even and coming up in the next hour, brad Olsen's
going to talk us through the export import numbers. Apparently
Lydia Thorpe's protest in Australia, this is her protest of
King Charles has made the Republican movement look bad. So
we'll get you across that. And also Kevin Gray out
of the UK right now. It's coming up eight past
six now. SkyTV shares have had a bit of a
bump today after the PayTV provider announced a new deal
with Warner Brothers Discovery. Warner Brothers Discovery has decided it's

(01:07:24):
not going to launch its streaming service Max in New Zealand. Instead,
it's going to allow Sky to broadcast all the movies
and the shows on Max through Sky's various platforms and
so on. And this will mean shows like The Big Bang,
Theory and Friends and Rick and Morty will be available
on Neon when the deal kicks in at the end
of the month. Sophie Maloney is SkyTV's chief executive. Hey, Sophie,
gore to hear that, how are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Thank you? Now, these guys have launched Max in Australia,
so why didn't they want to launch Max here?

Speaker 24 (01:07:49):
Well, we a's a long standing partnership with Warner Brothers
Discovery and we're just super excited that they've seen that
rather than going direct consumer and Arteta on New Zealand,
it's better to partner the Sky because we've got the
best customer base for them to engage in. So we're
really excited about the steal here?

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Was it simple economics? Was it just that you guys
offered them more for the product than they could make
by going to hundreds of thousands of US for it.

Speaker 24 (01:08:12):
I think there's there's economics, and there's the ability to
continue to partner with us. I mean, our customer base
across Sky and Neon is impressive, So yeah, I'm sure
that's part of what they weigh up. But also there's
a there's a fair amount of effort that goes into
direct consumer for these players, and I think they looked
at the size of market and you know, we were
the best bet for them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Why didn't they have that option in Australia?

Speaker 24 (01:08:35):
That's Stephanie for the Aussie market and for those guys
to answer for you. What I am excited about is
that customers are not only going to get their favorite
titles from HBO Max, but yeah, lots of deep library
content that we haven't had access to before.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
How long is it for because there is always the
risk obviously that this is just tiding them over for
a bit and then they go direct to consumer at
some stage.

Speaker 24 (01:08:58):
Yeah, no, we're not. We haven't talked about the term
because it's commercially sensitive and it's a pretty competitive landscape,
as you'll appreciate hither, So we never talk about it
in terms of our entertainment deals. Suffice to say that
I'm confident that we're going to continue to partner really,
really well, and of course, with customers keep enjoying the
content with us, then there's no reason for Warner Brothers

(01:09:19):
to launch direct.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Hey, so I saw that they actually paid you. It
looks like four to five million. What happened there?

Speaker 24 (01:09:26):
Oh, that's just part of the we have to disclose,
you know, the how the deal works. Because the prior
deal is coming to an end. We're basically prepaid for
some content that we haven't minaged to play out by
the launch date. So that's just part of the mechanics
of giving effect to the new deal.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Did you see Gregor Paul's column at the weekend which
one was that that was the one that asked whether
you in New Zealand, like as in SkyTV and New
Zealand would be are partners or competitors? Yes?

Speaker 24 (01:09:53):
I did see that article, of course, And what's the answer. Yeah, Well,
I think that there's there's obviously always speculation. Does New
Zealand Rugby want to think about a direct consumer play.
From our perspective, we're very comfortable to have that conversation.
And we've got a a really important customer base who
loved their Rugby. And if New Zealand Rugby wants to

(01:10:16):
do some of that on their platform and still partner
with us, and we can think about free to wear
as well, I think it's all part of it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Aren't they already doing it through the streaming platform that
they've got.

Speaker 24 (01:10:27):
They are doing it for markets offshore, and so they
do have the ability to do that like we used
to do with Rugby Pass. You might recall that we
said that as part of our solution. We sold that
to World Rugby. So yeah, they've got that, they've got
that capability. But I suppose the read across from this
deal is that Warner Brothers Discovery looked at the size

(01:10:49):
of market and the audience opportunity and revenue and decided
it was better to partner with us, take the check
from us, and I suppose you could make a read
across to Rugby that said, we're very comfortable to help
Rugby with their global ambitions. We know that that's been
talked about a lot in terms of the Silver Lake investment,
so that for me is all part of it. But yeah,

(01:11:12):
in terms of this deal, Heather, we're just super excited
and we think you will be because Whiteladus will be
with you on on again soon.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I like what you're doing now. I'm not finished with rugby.
We'll come back to that. Are you getting vibes Are
you getting the vibes from ends? Are that they want
to actually comect They want to offer us the product
the games direct to consumer here in New Zealand as
well as the global market.

Speaker 24 (01:11:34):
Well, we're in We're in good discussions with them about
the local market and having a conversation around what the
value is and we certainly know that they've got ambitions
to grow access to the All Blacks brand abroad. We
think there's a happy path to do that doing a

(01:11:54):
deal with us and having the content that we will
capture on the ground here for them to then distribute offshore.
So yeah, it's going to be definitely be a big part
of the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Okay, So I had assumed that the hold up in
the negotiations with you guys as to how it was
basically around how much you were going to pay for
this situation to continue, your partnership to continue, But now
sounds like maybe it may also be held up by
what their ambitions are and whether you are prepared to
accommodate that. Is that fair?

Speaker 24 (01:12:24):
I think there's a whole bunch that goes into it.
There's also the rights that they're bringing to market. You know,
there's been a lot of talk about the New Nation's Cup,
which is for the end of year tours and inbounds,
being rolled up into a new rights package, and so
that's something that we're keen to see what that looks like.
That there's value attached the all blacks heather as you'll appreciate. Yeah,

(01:12:45):
so there's a whole bunch of things that are in
that conversation with New Zealand Rugby, and yeah, we're excited
to continue the conversation. We know what the value of
the rights are in terms of what our customers are
prepared to pay because of the customers who are watching
it and enjoying it, and that all goes into the
max right, So I'm very keen to find a way

(01:13:07):
to make sure our customers can continue to enjoy their
Rugby on Sky And of course we need to work
with New Zealand Rugby to see what their offshore ambitions
are too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
How do you fight Craig Fenton to work with.

Speaker 24 (01:13:18):
Yes, So Craig and I've had a yeah, good relationship.
It's been a fair bit of time with him since
I met him at the Rugby World Cup last year.
So yeah, it was a big news to see today.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, apparently rubbed up some people the wrong way. By
the sounds of things it ends are.

Speaker 24 (01:13:35):
I certainly wouldn't be able to comment on that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
I was totally fishing for gossip there, as you could tell. Now,
listen on to the stuff that you were telling me
about White Lotus. When is that arriving?

Speaker 24 (01:13:44):
Hopefully January gives a bit of a way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Have you tried watching The Penguin? Yes, I love it, Sophie.
I tried what I've had to split one of the
episodes up across two nights because it was so grim
and it's given me nightmares. I mean, I don't know
what that's about me, but it seems like it's a
really I'm too old for that. It's quite a dark show,
isn't it.

Speaker 13 (01:14:04):
It is?

Speaker 24 (01:14:05):
It is quite dark, but there's also some lightness to
it too. I think it's I think it's really clear
writing and filming the way they've done it. I do
have another one for you then, Joan, have you watched it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
No, I think I've seen it added it's been it's
been pushed at me.

Speaker 24 (01:14:23):
Yeah, six part British crime drammer. I think you'll enjoy.
It's based on a real life story of Joan Hennington
Jill Thief. I'm not going to read, Sophie, what's that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
It's the one with Sophie Turner in it, isn't it?

Speaker 23 (01:14:35):
Yes?

Speaker 24 (01:14:35):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Yeah, missus Jonas all right, brilliant. I think, oh yeah,
don't worry about Sweetpeet. That sounds freaky as I'll watch
this one instead. Appreciate it.

Speaker 24 (01:14:43):
Yeah, enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Thank you, Heather, Thank you very much, Sophie. Sophie Maloney's
guy TV chief executive. Listen if you if you're not
up on what's happened with Craig Fenton. Craig Fenton is
the guy who was the commercial leader for New Zealand Rugby.
He's only been in the job for one year, but
he's already quit and multiple sources told The Rold that
his departure had been brewing for at least a month
after he fell out with senior people within nz R

(01:15:05):
and consultants believe to have been hired in recent weeks.
That's the reporter of Johnny got quite a few names. Actually,
thank you for this. On who should be taking over
as the Crown Observer at Wellington City Council. You need
a lefty who can understand books. Somebody has suggested Rob
Campbell might be able to do the job. Someone else
says how about Peter Dunn or Steve Mahari, all of

(01:15:25):
which are not bad ideas. And now I said you
was going to talk to Brad Olson, but in fact
Brad has been bumped for same and Brown. This is
the first opportunity we're going to be able to speak
to the minister. So he's going to be us very
shortly and explain his decision. Sixteen PAS six, crunching the
numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
It's Heather dup c Ellen with the Business Hour thanks
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Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Newstalksb eighteen PA six. I'll get you across this business
with Lydia Thorpe and how it's turned people off the
Republican movement in Australia. The government though, is going to
appoint a Crown observer to Wellington Council. The local government
minister's worry abou dysfunction and financial management, particularly with regards
to paying for fixing for the pipes. That, of course
is sime and Brown.

Speaker 13 (01:16:05):
Who's with us A samn good evening.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Have you heard from Tori yet?

Speaker 25 (01:16:10):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (01:16:10):
I spoke to.

Speaker 25 (01:16:11):
Her earlier today, prior to announcing my decision, and I
informed her that I'd be putting an observer in and
outline the process to her. She's to her obviously. We've
now written to her. She now has ten days to
respond based on under the law on the terms of reference.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Was she surprised?

Speaker 13 (01:16:32):
Oh, I didn't get the sense of that. I thought.
I think it was. It was a professional conversation.

Speaker 25 (01:16:36):
I informed her of the of the decision I'd arrived
at based on a number of reasons, one the dysfunction,
two financial management, and three how they've been how they're
using their balance sheet to invest in water infrastructure, which,
of course Wellingtonian snow is a significant issue for the city.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
How explain to me how you've come to the conclusion
that rate payers are being overcharged by seven hundred million.

Speaker 25 (01:16:59):
Well, one of the pieces of advice that I received
from the Department of Internal Affears is in regards to
how they are utilizing their balance sheet to effectively invest
in water infrastructure, is based on their long term plan.

Speaker 13 (01:17:12):
Effectively, of the.

Speaker 25 (01:17:14):
One point one billion dollars, well one point one six
billion dollars that's being proposed to spend on what cap X,
ninety four percent of that has been funded through rates
revenues and only six percent through debt financing. And effectively
these are intergenerational assets, the long term assets, and that's

(01:17:34):
highlighting that they're not utilizing their balance sheet appropriately in
order to invest in these long term assets. And so
that's an issue which has been highlighted. And again Onetnians
well know that what infrastructure in Wellington is an incredibly
poor state. And so again it's just another of the
reasons why we've taken this step to put an observer

(01:17:56):
in place as they redo their long term plan.

Speaker 13 (01:18:00):
As we know this is an incredibly important issue for
the city.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
So I mean, because this use of the balance sheet
has not come up before, there is now some speculation
that you are using this to reverse engineer a decision
and basically justify a decision you have already made.

Speaker 13 (01:18:16):
No, not at all.

Speaker 25 (01:18:17):
I mean we ask for advice in regards to the
situation in Wellington. I think, as you and your listeners know,
there's been increasing concern over the governance of Wellington City
Council for some time now. We ask for advice. The
advice covered a range of issues in relation to not
only the decision made around the long term Plan a

(01:18:38):
couple of weeks ago to effectively relitigate it, but looked
at other issues the council as well. So that advice
came to me and on the basis of that, we've
chosen to put an observer in.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Is the Crown monitor that you will appoint basically just
going to watch and report or do you expect them
to be more active providing guidance and advice and so on.

Speaker 25 (01:18:57):
Well, they will be able to provide guidance and not
only to the Mayor and the councilors, but also to
council officers as well. And I think that's really important
because ultimately those council officers have a huge amount of
power and influence in terms of the decisions that are
made by the council. Have been very clear though to
the mayor end in my public statements, this Crown Observer
will not be undertaking any of the democratic decision making.

(01:19:20):
That democratic decision made again, accountability sits fairly and squeally
with the meyor and who Counselorsky, do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
You need some names, because I've got some names for you,
because what you need, I understand is a lefty who
can understand books.

Speaker 25 (01:19:32):
Well, look, I'm getting advice from the Department in regards
to some proposed names and then we'll be going through
that process.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
So that's you telling me gently that no, you don't
need the names that I've got because I've got Steve
Mahari for you, fran Wilde, Rob Campbell and who there
was somebody else as well. I can't remember, but Peter Dunn.
Those are good names, aren't they.

Speaker 25 (01:19:50):
No, No, those are all good names. Well, appreciate the feedback.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Thank you, Thank you. I'll pass that on. I appreciate it, Simmy,
and good luck with a shimozzle that you're dealing with now,
Sime and Brown, the local government minister, the ego, it
wasn't my six twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Listen, some noises coming out of Barcelona are not sounding
very good for Grant Dalton in terms of hosting the
America's Cup. There again, because if you've been following this right,
it would appear from the noises coming out of Team
New Zealand their preferences to stay in Europe. But it
doesn't sound like Barcelona is going to be quite the
competitor that we might have thought. A local Spanish newspaper

(01:20:33):
is reporting that Barcelona's city council is now less enthusiastic
about hosting a second America's Cup as they were about
the first one, which basically I mean they might still
do it, it just sounds like they're not going to
pay as much for it. There has been quote a
flirtation for months that has not materialized, and in recent
weeks the interest even seems to have cooled. If Barcelona

(01:20:54):
sought to host a second Cup, the city's reported view
may affect how much it would pay for it. The
newspaper noted that the big closing at the Big Closing
ceremony for the Cup. The city's mayor congratulated him New
Zealand for their victory, but did not go any further,
did not commit to putting any more money into it
or keeping it for a second time around. And the
bigger problem there appears to be, at least as far
as the locals are concerned, that they hate the tourism,

(01:21:17):
and they blame the local America's Cup for that. I
would blame the most recent America's Cup for that, And
that is now a consideration as well. Do you pay
a lot of money to do the thing again that
the locals really hated? Probably not. So what did they
pay last time? I think it was one thirty million.
It's gonna be a lot less than that. Maybe we're
back in the game. Maybe we're back in the game, Heather,
Did he just start to say, commissioner, I don't know,

(01:21:39):
let's ever listen.

Speaker 25 (01:21:40):
And I informed her that I'd be putting a observer in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Yes, he did start to say commissioner.

Speaker 25 (01:21:48):
And I informed her that I'd be putting a observer in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Now my theory, and look, I come up with wacky
theories from time to time. Occasionally they actually do turn
out to be right. Often just nonsense that I just
give at you. I'm going to give you some nonsense.

Speaker 24 (01:22:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
My theory is that the Crown observer is going in
very much to observe, not to advise. They are there
to nark, They are there to witness, and they will
collect information that will then give some and bround the
ability to put commissioners in which I am according to
my conspiracy theory is the reason he started to say,
commissioner headline next time day.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you.
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It'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Either if you watched Spanish or French TV, you would
know that people all over Spain have been protesting in
the streets against tax payer money going towards holding the
America's cup. Well, that means that and that's fair. It
still sounds like they're in the game, just not to
the same level as before hand, which means that we
might be in the game. Maybe if Grant bothers to
call Bush, because apparently we need Grant to call the government.

(01:23:07):
The government's not going to call grant. But really, at
the end of the day, of Saudi Arabia's even interested.
We're all out, aren't we, because they've got deep pockets.
I've got really exciting news for you. By the way,
I found out today that mel Road has been added
to the fast track projects. Mill Road is. If you
don't know what I'm harping on about, where are you?
I've been harping on about this for the longest time.
Mill Road is an alternative to the Southern Motorway heading

(01:23:30):
south out of Auckland. So once you hit Manekou you
can take Mill Road. You can you can sort of
get off the motorway and you can take Mill Road
all the way down to Drury. But the trouble is
Mill Road is a goat track. It's one lane one way,
in one lane the other way, and all kinds of
weird little intersections and stuff going on. But it could
be a viable alternative, you know, if you go for
go for four lanes or something like that. Anyway, as

(01:23:53):
a result of the government's fast track legislation, it's been added,
and so we might actually be able to get this
thing upgraded and fast. And we need it, don't we.
I mean, tell anybody south of Manecal you don't need it,
and they will tell you you need it. Twenty three
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Here the dupless out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Today is the last day of the King and Queen's
visit to Australia. They're going to head straight to some
war once they've wrapped it up for the Commonwealth Heads
of government meeting over there, and they're not going to
be stopping in New Zealand on the way. Former in
fact Deputy Secretary Peter Hamilton has long argued that we
are actually ready in this country to have our own
head of state and he's with us. Hey, Peter, how
are you very well? Thank you? I reckon that Chile's

(01:24:30):
bypassing us strengthens your argument, What do you think.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
Well, in a way it does. I don't you know.
I don't forget the fact that he's sick and unable
to travel. He's only making a short visit to Australia,
not a full state visit. It's like a transit stop
and he's doing some R and r here on the
way to some more So, I wasn't surprised that he's
not coming to New Zealand. But what it does show
basically is the whole business of having a foreigner as

(01:24:56):
our head of state in Australia, Canada and New Zealand
a few other countries. It's just overloading the system and
the British monarch can't undertake the role that's required in
this modern day and age of being a head of
state for New Zealand. In New Zealand and you know,
we've got the Governor General there, Dame Cindy Kry, doing
all the work but getting very little of the recognition.

Speaker 13 (01:25:18):
For what she does.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Do we actually miss out on anything though, having Cindy
there instead of Charles.

Speaker 5 (01:25:25):
Well put it this way, I think Cindy misses out
in one sense because she's not getting the recognition internationally
that she should have as New Zealand's are duly appointed
head of state. She does everything fine in terms of
the ceremonial role in New Zealand, and we're talking about
keeping it as the ceremonial non executive role. But New

(01:25:46):
Zealand is hampered when the Governor General goes overseas because
of course nobody quite understands any longer what the heck
a governor does or governor general does. You know that
sounds like some sort of colonial thing, really, doesn't it,
because it is. And you know, then they say, well,
who is your head of state? And we say, well,
it's actually the British monarch And at that point people's

(01:26:08):
eyes sort of gloss over and they sort of wonder
why that's the case. What it's historical in our situation.
But it is time in the twenty first century to
bring the whole role back to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
I think, Peter, why is it that at the moment
this is falling on deaf is there just doesn't seem
to be much of an appetite to discuss this kind
of stuff, both here in New Zealand and over in Australia.

Speaker 14 (01:26:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:26:30):
One thing, of course, is that there's plenty else going
on at the moment, and who gets really excited about
constitutional issues. It's just not very sexy at all at
any stage of the game. But I think the point
is that there's confusion too about what the issues are.
If you ask New Zealanders, should a New Zealander be
our head of state or could a New Zealander take

(01:26:52):
on the role as the head of state? No New
Zealand is going to say, oh no, no, we're incapable
of doing that. Everybody agrees we are capable of doing it.
The sort of confusion is about what the role actually
entails and what not having the British king as our
head of state would mean too. Some people say, oh, well,
I don't want to leave the Commonwealth. We like the
Commonwealth Games. Well, that's not the point. We aren't going

(01:27:13):
to leave the Commonwealth. We can go to the Commonwealth Games.
Even as the republic and most countries in this day
and age are republics now in the Commonwealth. Of the
fifty four Commonwealth countries, only thirteen of them have the
British monarchs as head of state. Most of them our republics.
So I think it's time to have the conversation. But

(01:27:33):
there is confusion and understanding too about what this actually means.
If you ask New Zealanders. We did a few years ago,
we did a survey asking New Zealanders who is our
head of state? And would you believe it? Eighty percent
didn't know. Only twenty percent got it right. Most people
thought it was the Prime Minister, the Governor General didn't
really know, and so they didn't really have much much

(01:27:57):
clue about who actually is is our head of state.
So it's a bit of a confusion there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Yeah, Peter, I think that the behavior from Lydia Thorpe
in the last few days actually harms the Republican movement
simply because while you might be sympathetic towards Republicanism, who
wants to be associated with that kind of outlandish and
rude behavior.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
Absolutely absolutely agree with you. Look, she might have had
her own particular viewpoint. Everybody has and is entitled to
their own viewpoints. But in this discussion of replacing the
British monarch as at our head of state, we're not
in any way seeking to denigrate or downplay or attack
the British monarchy or the royal family.

Speaker 26 (01:28:39):
That's just not it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:39):
We need to calm, measured, rational and polite conversation about
the issues that Charles has said publicly, if Australia New
Zealand want to become republics, he won't stand in the
way of it. And as John Luck, as Christopher Luxon
said yesterday, he's a soft Republican. But when he was
asked what does King Charles actually do for New Zealand,

(01:29:04):
you know what his answer was. He said, he's dedicated.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Yeah, so dedicated. It doesn't even visit us exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
And there's nobody more dedicated in this whole equation than
our governor's general, like Simdi Kiro at the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
Hey, Peter, thanks for talking us through it. I really
appreciate it. Is Peter Hamilton, former m FAT Deputy secretary
and diplomat. Diplomat here the why are we adding a
lefty to the chamozzle? Why is that necessary? Simply Mark?
Because what this the greatest risk that the government, as
in like the coalition government as in Simeon Brown runs
at the moment is that they are accused of simply

(01:29:44):
putting in a Crown observer because they don't like what
Tory is doing, because he couldn't. I mean, it's talk
and cheese, right. Toy is all about getting rid of
the cars, having this cycle always pedestrianizing the claimate. Yeah
you know, I mean she is like far left right
and Simeon is even by conservative standards, further to the

(01:30:05):
right right. He's all like, no cycleways, get rid of
the speed humps, and so they have completely contrasting views.
He runs the risk of being seen as just putting
in a commissioner because he doesn't like what she's doing,
which obviously is not a good enough reason for a commissioner.
So he can't just chuck in any old you know,
any old mate, or any old mate who thinks like
he does. He needs somebody who thinks like Tory does

(01:30:26):
to stit there a knack on Tory so that he
when he then puts in the commissioners, he can say, well,
it's not political bias, because even one of the lefties
knocked on her. That's why he needs a lefty seventeen
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy.
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Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
FB Brady UK correspondents with us. Now, Hey, Hinda, Hey,
good to speak to you again, and it's good to
chat to you. I see that cop has been cleared
of murder.

Speaker 26 (01:31:01):
Yes, this was a very significant prosecution, but it ended
with Sergeant Martin Blake being acquitted, cleared of murder after
just three hours and twenty minutes of jury deliberations, unanimously cleared.
Now his charge of murder goes back to September two
years ago. He was on duty Sergeant Martin Blake and

(01:31:21):
other officers and they tried to stop a high powered
Audi vehicle in Stretham in South London, which had been
linked to a non fatal shooting the night before. So
the police obviously felt whoever was in this vehicle may
well have had information relating to a shooting the night before,
so they were very wary of the vehicle. They perform

(01:31:42):
what they call a hard stop, you've seen it on TV.
They had the vehicle boxed in, but the guy behind
the wheel, who turned out to be a man called
Chris Cabba, aged twenty four, he tried to ram his
way out of the hard stop. Now there was numerous
officers on the ground and at this point Sergeant Martin
Blake approached the v and fired one single round through

(01:32:03):
the windscreen at the driver and had struck Chris Cabba
in the forehead and he died shortly afterwards in hospital,
and there followed a murder charge against the officer. Now
serving police officers were so angry at this murder charge
being brought given what they felt was the level of
danger faced by their colleagues, they started handing back in

(01:32:24):
their firearms and refusing to carry firearms. So we've had
the court case, the jury came back and Sergeant Martin
Blake has been found not guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
And now the boss of the met basically says, if
we carry on this way prosecuting cops trying to do
their jobs, it will crush the spirits and they won't
be able to do their jobs. Has he got a point?

Speaker 26 (01:32:44):
I think he has. Look I speak as the son
of a police officer and my father carried a firearm
as well in Ireland in the eighties and nineties. I
think they're extremely well trained people, psychologically, very very balanced,
calm people. They are not rash individuals. And I think
it's a very very difficult job being a firearms cup

(01:33:06):
because you're taking a decision in a nano second. Because
they didn't know if this guy was going to drive
over other officers. That was what the fear was amongst
the cups. But I just think back to my father's
career thirty years in the police in Ireland where there
was an active terrorist organization, and my father said something

(01:33:26):
to me recently, he's long retired. He said, I never
fired a single round while on duty. Thank god. That
was his take all that training, Think of all the exercises,
all the training, all the target practice, not one round
dispense toile on duty and he's The last words he
said were thank.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
God, Yeah, fair enough. Hey see, you got a whole
bunch of bed. He's gonna get laid out of jail today.
How are the public feeling about this?

Speaker 15 (01:33:53):
Not great?

Speaker 26 (01:33:53):
I would say that's another eleven hundred prisoners coming out
early today. The only people who can't qualify for this
early release scheme now are murderers, sex offenders and terrorists.
Everyone else. It's basically over to you to get out
of prison today. Eleven hundred. Now, the problem we have
is this is just buying more time. We've done this

(01:34:15):
six weeks ago. The prison population is going up by
one hundred and fifty inmates per week, so ker Stamer
and his government have effectively bought themselves another seven weeks.
What we need to do is have a very serious
discussion here about sentencing and either we put shorter sentences
on crime or we build more prisons. And this is

(01:34:37):
successive governments have had this issue. But Starmer will say
that he's inherited an absolute mess of a prison system,
and until he can get the budget over the line
in ten days time and get some money into it.
This is what needs to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
What about more Dova in dan.

Speaker 26 (01:34:53):
Yes, So this is a shocker. Moldova have had two
elections on the same day, an EU joining referendum which
they narrowly scraped over the line in favor of Yes
by about half a percent, and then there was a
presidential election which now goes to a runoff. But the
big story doing the rounds in Europe is that Russia
spent twenty two million dollars trying to buy votes and

(01:35:17):
this was not even hidden. This was basically money dropping
in people's bank accounts to go and vote for prolish
and candidates and vote against joining the European Union. So
it just goes to show you that this level of
bribery and corruption and trying to utterly corrupt the democratic
process alive and well in Eastern Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Jesus is, isn't it?

Speaker 17 (01:35:36):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Indo, thanks as always appreciated Into Brady, UK correspondent. Hither
the answer is looking at you in your face, Grant Robertson.
Hey's great at finance as well. He can read numbers.
But no, fortunately, Grant's got another job already, fortunately nine
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Can Darlene Tanna please give a leaving speech at the Beehive?
Oh my gosh, Ben, how good would that? That is
a fantastic suggestion. I think we need to just app
We just need to recall Darlene for just one one
last hurrah and just tell her loaded up with everything,
tell us absolutely everything that happened. I'd be there for that. Hither.
Who cares whether we've had whether we have a head
of state in New Zealand or in the UK. No

(01:36:27):
way would I want any of our former prime ministers
as a head of state. I do you know what,
To be honest with you, I don't have this aversion
to a New Zealander doing the job that other people
apparently do. I don't mind. I think Helen Clark would
do a perfectly good job as the head of state.
I'm not going to agree with her about on everything.
I didn't agree with her on everything when she was
Prime Minister. I don't agree with like any Prime minister

(01:36:49):
on anything right, nor should you because you're a free
thinking individual. You're not going to agree with another person
absolutely everything. But can you respect it? Yes the hell
and I can. I mean if we start going down
the path of voting and Regis said, I've got a
problem with that, But what can you do? We've done
that once before, But now I reckon there are a
few of them that can do a perfectly good job.
Now listen, roundabouts love me e roading story about stupid ideas.

(01:37:13):
There is a roundabout in christ Church. You don't get
a lot of criticism of the roundabouts in christ Church,
but there is one that's copping criticism for a bunch
of reasons. This is one at the foot of the
Port Hills. It connects Dyers Pass Road and cash Beer
Road in Columbus Street and blah blah blah whatever. Anyway,
the first problem with this roundabout is that the roundabouts
renovation costs seven hundred thousand dollars. Come on, guys, seven

(01:37:34):
hundred thousand dollars. You can build a house for that.
That's too much money. That even beats Auckland Transport. And
when you beat Oakland Transport, a wasteful spending. You really
are doing yourself. As far as I can say, the
most expensive Auckland transport one was about six hundred, so
seven hundred is like whacked whacked. Second problem is now

(01:37:55):
it has a pedestrian crossing right at the roundabout, which
means cars are suddenly suddenly stopped and then they're backing
up the traffic. And so I don't have a big
problem with that because where I live we've got heaps
of this round about with a pedestrian crossing right there.
My biggest problem is I look at this thing. I
have no bloody idea what's going on here. It is
so busy. There is a pedestrian crossing, and then either
side of the pedestrian crossing you've got a green square

(01:38:16):
and another green square on the other side, and then
at the other side you've got another green square and
another green square, and then you've got a red square
leading up to the pedestrian crossing, and then you've got
a whole bunch of white blocks, like white kind of
like triangles leading like teeth, leading towards the pedestrian crossing.
Then the pedestrian crossing itself is obviously made up of
a series of white blocks and all of it combined.

(01:38:41):
I do not know what these things. Why is the
green there? Why is the red there? I get the white.
I don't know what the white triangles are. I don't
no longer do I understand what is going on on
road marking. So I just have no bloody idea. And
I'm not old, right, I'm forty. I feel like I
should understand what's going on the road, what it looks like,
because do you remember it in the nineties when everybody

(01:39:02):
used to have like really geometric T shirts. You know,
you'd have like a squiggle and like a triangle and
a block and a stick man, you know, like lightning
bolts and stuff like that. Like that's what it looks like.
It looks like somebody's just gone a spewed the nineties
T shirt onto the road. I have no bloody idea
what's going on. And when it's that confusing, that's a problem,
isn't it Isn't it.

Speaker 27 (01:39:22):
Ants Sunshine of your Love by Cream to play us
out tonight here? You asked me yesterday if anyone other
than Asy Osborne had ever been inducted into the Rock
and Roll Hall of fame more than once. It turns
out loads of people have. But we're playing Cream because
Eric Clapton is the only guy to get in there
three times three yep, yeah, four what the Yardbirds got in?
He was in the Yardbirds, then Cream got in. He

(01:39:43):
was in Cream, and then he got in on his
own solo career as well. But yeah, lots of people
have been in twice though, Jeff Beck, Dave Grohl, David Crosby,
George Harrison, John Lyn. Yeah, I think all the Beatles
have been in their title. Michael Jackson was with the
Jackson five. You can sometimes forget about that one. Stevie
Nexter's in there twice. On Fleetwood made once for herself,
and Jimmy Page was actually in The Yardbirds before he

(01:40:04):
was in led Zeppelin, so he's managed to make it
in twice as well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
There you go, am I the only person thinking that
The Yardbirds is a bit of a random one like that.

Speaker 27 (01:40:11):
That feels like, well, I think they made music like
the sixties and stuff, which was clearly very influential and
sort of stuff later than then, so they might just
sort of have that sort of first mover.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Curve, because I would not have thought but anyway, you know,
there are people smarter than me, who know more about
music than me making these decisions, and so I really
appreciate the effort that you've made on that. Thank you
for that.

Speaker 27 (01:40:29):
I'm doing the best I try enjoy.

Speaker 7 (01:40:31):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
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