Full Show Podcast: 30 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.
Heather due to the Allen Drive with One New Zealand.
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Kamala Harris
has given her final speech to the campaign. Has she
done enough to get the swing voters to come her way?
On the economy, Jack Tame was there, He'll talk us
through it after five. The government's given some illegal money
back to survivors of Lake Alice. Will have a chat
to the Minister and David Seymour, the Associate Education Minister,
on what to do about our chronically absent students.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Heather du to c Allen.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Turns out the people who want to shut other people
up just do not learn from history, do they. I
consider myself to be reasonably well informed, not because I'm
a particularly smart person, just because I have to be
for my job. I read the newspapers every day, I
have to listen to the radio. So I think I've
got a reasonably good idea of what's going on in
the at any point in time. But I'm completely forgotten

(01:03):
that Candace Owens was coming to New Zealand until this week,
mainly thanks to Young Labor. So they're trying to stop
her from coming to New Zealand, aren't they. They've published
an open letter urging the government to ban her, just
like Australia did yesterday, which only served to remind me
I should probably go and read a little bit about
Candace Owens and some of her controversial stuff, so I
know exactly what the problem is. So Young Labour can

(01:25):
thank themselves for spreading her ereetoric even more widely. The
reason they want to ban her is because they say,
we have an obligation to be protecting our communities from
that kind of rhetoric that empowers divisive movements. Have they
heard of the Internet? I mean, it's not borders that
stop bad ideas nowadays, is it? It just comes right over.

(01:48):
They also then go on to say that if the
government doesn't listen and decides to let Candace Owens in anyway,
can the government it please please at least just make
sure there's heaps of security at her events quote to
ensure that when those people do choose to counter protest her,
they're not also met with violence. The bloody cheek of it.
I mean, the last time we had somebody controversial hair,

(02:08):
which is of course, was Posy Parker. It wasn't Posy
Parker's protesters were the ones in court for violence was
It was the counter protesters. It was the counter protesters.
It was the young punk who turned up to protest
Posy Parker and then punched a grandmother in the face
because she was a supporter. It was the one who
threw the tomato juice on Posy Parkers. It don't be
calling for security to keep the counter protesters safe as

(02:31):
the people who were there to watch the actual controversial thing.
Who needs to be kept safe from the counter protesters
by the looks of things. Anyway, Let's just at least
be honest about who poses the greatest threat. Here, here's
some simple advice, because obviously it's too late this I
been reminded about Candice Owen's now we're all talking about it.
But here's some simple advice for the next time someone
controversial comes to New Zealand. Don't mention it because the

(02:53):
only people who will know and go to the event
are the people who have already consumed the content. The
people who are already fans. Now though, with the Candae
Owen situation, a whole lot more people will probably go
and read some of her stuff. What an own goal.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Again, Heather Duplicy Ellen, welcome.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
To get involved. Nine two nine two is the text number.
Standard text fees apply now. Police in New Zealand are
trying to stop a suicide prevention charity from getting a
temporary liquor license for a fundraiser this weekend. Both the
police and a licensing inspector have opposed the organizer's application
for a license, so there's going to be a special
hearing on Friday, which is less than twenty four hours
before the event, to see if alcohol can be served.

(03:31):
The coppers say the problem they've got with this particular
fundraiser serving alcohol is that there is a link between
alcohol and suicide, so it's inappropriate for alcohol to be
provided at a suicide prevention event. Mike King is not
involved in this event, but he is a mental health advocate,
so he's got views on this and he's with us.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Now, Hey, Mike, Hey, Heather, how are you well?

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Mate?

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Man? Are the Moral Police going a band putting at
Heart Foundation gigs? Now?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Probably? Probably if the people care enough about it. So
like me, I'm assuming that, like me, you think this
is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
From the cops, it is ridiculous. So look, let's get
it straight right.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
From the get go. This isn't about the Suicide Prevention Trust.
This is a bunch of young polytech students who have
a fashion show where they want to raise awareness and
funds for a local suicide prevention trust.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
It has nothing to do with the trust. This is
just an.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
Avenue for young people who care about the wellbeing of
other people, an opportunity for them to raise funds.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
And this is you know, this is the moral police.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
Coming in and going Alcohol and suicide they are intrinsically
linked and they shouldn't be together. Well, using that same logic,
then do the AA no longer have alcohol at their
functions because we know that alcohol is intrinsically linked to
car crashes. You know, it's where is this stop? This

(05:01):
is this is classic over each and these. What is
it saying to young people in this country who are
trying to make a difference by raising funds for this,
for this Locus Suicide Prevention Trust.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
What is it saying to them? What is a message
we're giving to them.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Mike, And let's be honest about it, the cops have
probably if they oppose this, that they will make sure
that these young people raise less money because, if we're
honest about it, alcohol actually raises money for things like
this at fundraiseres doesn't.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
It one hundred percent?

Speaker 6 (05:31):
And if you dig down, I think you'll find that
the majority of the police who are making this decision
think it's stupid as well. But we're living in so
much fear of backlash that you go, oh, well, it's
just easier not to you know, just easier to say no.
I say, look back in your box. Team, you know
you're doing great work on the streets. Go fight some

(05:53):
real crimes and let these guys get on.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
But do you, I mean, do you have a view
on the perception that I've got watching what's going on
with the anti alcohol people and the police. And it's
not all the cops. It's just like a little group
who are opposed to it, is that they've got really
self right to some weird haven't they.

Speaker 6 (06:09):
Well, yes, and that's the problem with society today.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
We've become very tribal.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
There is no connection between different groups where right you're wrong,
and will counterpoint anything, any argument you come up with.
At the heart of this, there's a bunch of young
people trying to do the right thing by mental health
to help a local charity, and that's where the decision
should be made, not on this this thing that there's

(06:37):
an intrinsic link between alcohol and suicide, because you know
what suicide is not. I'm sorry, Alcohol is not a
problem for people with mental health issues. It's actually the
solution to our problem. And until you come up with
a better solution.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Then men by that.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
How is it a solution, Well, it stops those those
thoughts are I would suggest to you.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
I would suggest to you that alcohol.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Has prevented more young people from taking their own lives
that actually takes.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Their own lives.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
And when I was I'm a drug addict and alcoholic
in my whole life. I used drugs and alcohol to
stop that little voice inside my head that told me
that I wasn't good enough, that I was useless, hopeless.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
It's a release, It's like a video game. It's exactly
the same thing.

Speaker 7 (07:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
I would always be out and.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
About with groups of people because the thing I feared
most was being in a room by myself. So the
drugs and the alcohol helped that until I got counseling
and I found a way of dealing with my bigger issues.
So alcohol has never been the issue. It shouldn't be
in the Mental Health Act at all. We should come

(07:50):
up with alternatives. It's like methadone. It keeps us going
until some help comes along.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Interest it's our life jacket.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
A really interesting perspective. Hey, thank you, I appreciate it's
my king mental health advocate. By the way, Friday, I
think is gum boot Friday PSA for Wellington. Heads up,
You've got three days to go and see Quasi for
the last time, because after that is gone, if the
weather is good on Saturday, they're gonna get a chopper
and they're gonna have that chopper above Civic Square and

(08:19):
then a pull Quasi from the roof of the gallery
and it will be off to somewhere in Australia or
something like that. Final destination unknown. Frankly, I don't care
as long as Quasi's gone from the Capitol. Now you
don't know what I'm talking about. It's worth googling. As
the most heaviest thing you'll see all day. It's the
sculpture on the top of one of the galleries, which

(08:41):
is like a gigantic hand. You know when you do
that thing with kids and you walk on your two fingers,
you walk your hand on the two fingers. Well as
a sculpture of that and on the hand is Quasi's face.
It's called Quasi because like as in Quasimodo, is that ugly? Anyway,
thank God they're getting rid of Quasi, and think God
they're getting rid of the city. To see bridge, I

(09:01):
don't know. There's a lot of crimes going on in
Wellington around that Civic Square place. Anyway, got three days
to say Tatar to Quasi and then after that the
city will vastly improve. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper c
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Speaker 2 (09:28):
Darcy water Grave sports talkhoasters with me, Hello dars the
c Ellen. Does he have a point about the haka?

Speaker 8 (09:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Why not?

Speaker 9 (09:36):
What of it is is basically it's living rent free
in his head and if you just really s tfu
because shut up. It doesn't matter to the all Blacks.
They don't ge complainingly you want mate, stop it if
you don't like it.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Okay, So this is what.

Speaker 9 (09:55):
Is just mar What he's trying to do is get
click bait because he's not playing, he's in, he has gone.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Maybe he's just having an opinion. I think he's got
a point. Can I explain to you absolutely. I think
that everything that we do before international tests is ridiculous,
like the national anthems for example, what the hell are
we doing before playing a game of footy? That's all
it is.

Speaker 9 (10:17):
Don't even move to America.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Why are they standing there singing songs like they're going
to go to war with each other. It's a game
of football.

Speaker 9 (10:24):
Not a fan of the national anthems, but constantly playing
Star Spangled it's very I know it's very.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I mean look because have a look for example at
an NPC game or a super rugby game. Right, we're
not having songs and carry on playing your hand which
is going we just go off play the game exactly.

Speaker 9 (10:45):
Maybe I have a countdown on the big screens.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Maybe back in the day when when an international test
was a really rare weird thing because you couldn't really travel.
I can understand that you wanted to stand there and
sing and make a big before the show performance, but
it's like a dime a dozen. Now, it's give rid
of all the stuff.

Speaker 9 (11:03):
I suppose I'd throw this back at you like myself,
unless I'm sadly mistaken, never represented your country in any
sport at the highest level. This is true because I'd
suggest that for people that have dedicated their life to
getting that jersey, jersey what it.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Is, I'm not sentimental, and.

Speaker 9 (11:21):
They get a huge amount of pride going I have
worked my butt off my entire life and that twenty
three and you play the anthem for me, and I'm proudly.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I counter that with the proportion of all blacks who
sing the anthem.

Speaker 9 (11:36):
Well, you're talking about your homeland again.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
No, the proportion of all blacks who sing the anthem standing,
they just stand there to half of them don't even
know the lyrics.

Speaker 9 (11:45):
No, they don't, they don't know the words. That's been embarrassing.
When they do that, they pan it across and can
see them kind of gulping. And then you go to
other countries and they climb right into it and they
love it.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
A Japanese squad, we're not that singing at the weekend.

Speaker 9 (11:59):
But when you look at the nature of international sport, though,
there's what a percentage maybe eighty percent of actual born
New Zealanders that play in the team. A lot of
these guys like ah, I did three years residency.

Speaker 10 (12:11):
Hell are you saying so?

Speaker 2 (12:14):
To the point is all of the stuff that we
do before an international test, like the drama of it,
may be a little bit lost in the modern era
when actually it doesn't feel like that dramatic an event.

Speaker 9 (12:24):
Remember back in the day, when Buck Shelford is actually
joining us time on Sports Talk to talk about this,
I would say, sir Wayne and Shelford all the point
he revitalized the haka. Remember back in the day it
was only actually performed away from home.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, at home, yes.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
And that made it really special because yes, I'm staying at.

Speaker 9 (12:42):
The middle of night to watching it to see that,
even though they butchered it every time, it was something
to look at. Whereas now it's at home. A lot
of people really enjoy it. They completely buy in it.
They like the challenge nature, the respect nature, the whole thing.
But I think I think Marla, you know what happened
straight after that, Well he deleted the tweet and then

(13:03):
collapsed his Twitter account and ran away. So I think
he got some responses he didn't like.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Thinky Bennett's like, got to stand by it, put that out.

Speaker 9 (13:12):
Can you give me some swinging low sweet charity anytime?

Speaker 10 (13:15):
And thanks so traditionally.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
You're obviously talking about it tonight.

Speaker 11 (13:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (13:20):
And also the man behind the new Indian NBL teams, Yeah,
the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Interesting, okay, Darcy, thank you? Does he would grow sports
Coast We're back at seven for twenty three.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
The then you trust to get the answers you need
Heather dup to see allan drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected and news talk because they'd be either.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I always thought Quasi was great, had a bit of
charm and talking point. Perhaps the reason he's being deported
as he does look a little bit like Donald Trump,
he actually does. This is a point, thank you, Jeremy.
It's a point that many people have made. Listen to
the States. The Democrats have a little bit of trouble
on their hands because of a Joe Biden comment. Now
he was I think he's still to get ice cream
or something like that.

Speaker 7 (14:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
He stopped and then the media were there and I
asked him a question, and they asked him what he
thought about the comedian at the Trump rally making the
comments about Puerto Rico, and Joe Biden said this, but just.

Speaker 9 (14:12):
The other day, I speaker at his rally called Puerto
Rico a floating island of garbage.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
The only garbage icy float not there is his supporters.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
So it sounds like he's calling Trump supporter's garbage, right,
which is a big no no to the Democrats because
they got in so much trouble in twenty sixteen for
a very similar comment from Hillary Clinton. You could put
half of the Trump's supporters in doing what I called
the masses the lauras and so anyway, so this is
what it looks like, because like, oh yeah, here we go,

(14:41):
having a crack at half the nation. Now. To be
fair to Joe Biden, I don't think he actually was
calling them garbage. I think he didn't finish his sentence,
which is the thing that he does because he's bit
funny in the head nowadays, right, So he sort of
half finished his sentence and didn't If you look at
the rest of what he was saying. This is what
he said. The only garbage icy floating out there is
his supper. His demonization of things is unconscionable. So it's

(15:04):
like he's talking about one person. In which case is
he talking about Trump's supporters or is he talking about
Trump's supporters comments? Do you see what I'm saying? Like
he didn't finish the sentence. He put the apostrophe in
a different place. He's not talking about the supporters, He's
talking about the supporter's comments anyway. Either way, I don't
think it matters because the Republicans are gonna I mean,

(15:26):
it sounds like to a lot of people like he's
talking about the supporters. He's going to be in trouble
for it. It's overshadowing Carmela's last speech. Jack Tame was there.
He'll give us his take on it when he's with us.
After five.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
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Speaker 3 (15:44):
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Speaker 1 (15:45):
Heather duple c Allen drive with One New Zealand Let's
get connected and news Talk z be.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Was over and money they fit of a wind for
the survivors of Lake Alice. Today, Erica Stanford has announced
that she's going to reimburse their legal fees to the
tune of a roundabout. I think it's about twenty seven
thousand or they're about per survivor. What happened is that
about twenty three years ago they reached a settlement with
the government. This was ninety five survivors of Lake Alice.

(16:25):
But the law firm that was representing them, Grant Cameron
and Associates, clipped the ticket in quite a big way.
So the settlement was six and a half million dollars,
and it looks like Grant Cameron and Associates took about
forty percent of the money for legal fees. So if
somebody had got so, the survivors ended up with forty

(16:45):
one thousand dollars in the hand, but twenty seven thousand
had been taken off them, so they end up with
forty one thousand, they lose twenty seven thousand. The total
settlement would have been somewhere closer to seventy thousand. Anyway,
government's decided that's not fair. They're going to give them
the money back. We'll talk to Ericas about that when
she's with us after five. Hither, I'm with you. The
Hucker's overdone. Hither, the Hucker's definitely overdone. Hither, I'm totally

(17:06):
with you. Get rid of the hucker and the national anthem.
That's from Brian. Somebody said, actually they did sing the
national anthem before the NPC final, But that's a final,
isn't it. It's not like every single NPC game we
have to sit through the national anthem as some sort
of a like a fluffing beforehand. Anyway, they're not going
to get rid of it. I mean, I think this
is the thing, is that it's a pointless discussion because

(17:27):
they're not going to get rid of it because it's
part of the All Blacks branding, isn't it. And if
the ends are New Zealand Rugby are trying to sell
the All Blacks to the rest of the world, and
the rest of the world is quite fascinated by the Hucker,
then it's got to be part of the package. So
even if we're growing a little tired of all of
the kaff or before the hucker before the game, unfortunately
or fortunately or whatever, depending on where you sit on it,

(17:47):
it's probably going to stay twenty three away from five.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's the world wires on news dogs'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
So both US presidential candidates have been speaking at rallies. Today,
Trump held an event in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
And I am here by calling for the death penalty.

Speaker 10 (18:02):
For any migrant that kills an American citizen or a
law enforcement officer.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Harris spoke outside the White House. It was near the
same spot that Trump spoke at before the January sixth
Capital Right, we know who Donald Trump is.

Speaker 12 (18:18):
He is the person who stood at this very spot
nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to
the United States Capital to overturn the will of the
people in a free and fair election.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
US Secretary General Antonio Guterras has written a letter to
the Israeli Prime Minister urging him not to implement the
planned ban on UNRA. Now, the law which bans UNRA
from operating in Israel and East Jerusalem is set to
go into false and ninety days. A UN spokesperson says
if that happens, UNRA will not be able to continue
its work.

Speaker 13 (18:55):
There is a humanitarian organization called Unwar heated to provide
humanitarian assistance until such a time that a political solution
could be found. There is no political solution currently. We
keep hoping for one, doesn't seem like there's one on
the horizon.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
And finally, a lost city of the Mayans has just
been discovered deep in the jungles of Mexico. Now, this
particular part of the jungle was laser scan back in
twenty thirteen for a forest monitoring project. But then what
happened is a doctoral archaeology student in New Orleans decided
to check the scans out to see if he could
to spot any ruins, and sure enough found more than

(19:34):
six thousand Mayan structures, including a previously unknown city. Student
says it's a good reminder we haven't actually discovered everything
just yet.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
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Speaker 2 (19:48):
Dan Mitchinson, US correspondence with me Now, Hey Dan, Hey, Heather,
What did you make of Kamala Harris's speech? Did she
give the voters what they need to vote for her?

Speaker 7 (19:57):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (19:58):
I think she basically gave something that looked very presidential,
you know in DC, like you just mentioned in the
World wires, where former President Trump wanted to overturn the
will of the people. As she said, so I mean
this is I mean, you know, to Paraphrasey Obamas, I
think she was trying to take the high road tonight,
and you know, she was looking at sounding and acting presidential.
And remember, I mean this is fifty percent showbiz, right,

(20:19):
I mean, the setting, the crowd, the placement, the music.
It's a big production. It doesn't matter whether you're Kamala
Harris or Donald Trump. It's just I think she's a
little bit more on the message, whereas Donald Trump is
a little bit sort of you know, here and there
and hit and miss.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
The thing is what she needs to do. It turns
out people in the States. Voters in the States want
economic They want to talk about the economy, right, That's
the thing that they care about. They care about the
cost of living crisis, They care about the economy. They
do not care as much about the threat that Trump
poses to democracy. So did she get them over the
line on that?

Speaker 7 (20:51):
I think she did.

Speaker 14 (20:51):
But you know, I think anything between now and the
finish line a week from tonight, Heather, honestly, you're just
talking to a wall. You know, these people that they're
talking about, these undecided voters. Honestly, with the exception of
maybe my eighteen year old son who doesn't want to
vote for one candidate or the other. I haven't met
an undecided voter. Everybody has made up their mind right

(21:13):
now at this point in time. So I think you're
preaching of the choir at this point. You know, maybe
there's a two or three percentage and that could certainly
swing an election in one of the six or seven
states at this point in time, but I think everybody's
mind is pretty well set.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Is ik staying on some of the ballots.

Speaker 14 (21:28):
Well, because basically the Supreme Court said he has to
in Wisconsin and Michigan, And then again, those are two
of the battleground states we keep talking about. So Kennedy
doesn't want to draw any votes away from former President Trump.
A week from today, he endorsed Trump after stepping down,
and he argued that these deadlines that he messed are

(21:50):
un constitutional because they're different than the rules for candidates
running safe for Democrat or Republican, and of course he
was an independent. Lower courts rejected at say, hey, you
know what, you're too late. There's not enough time to
change the ballots. Voting is already underway, so he may
draw a minuscuol minischool amount of voters, but likely those
that do vote for him are those that might vote

(22:12):
for Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
MM or protest voting, right, I mean, yes, yes, you
have to be a little dumb not to realize he's
off the ballot.

Speaker 14 (22:20):
Wouldn't you, Well you would, but I mean, you know,
there's always somebody that gets written in or somebody that
gets a half a percent of a vote out here.

Speaker 15 (22:27):
I don't think you'll even get that that much though.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Okay, now you we say Today has also decided it's
going to do the same thing as the Washington Post
and kill the endorsements. What's their reasoning for it?

Speaker 14 (22:36):
Well, you know, this is really interesting because when you
think about it, these so called nonpartisan medias taking side
even on an editorial page. I mean, some people have
been questioning that for for some time. But what's interesting
is they're not going to publish any presidential endorsements between
now in November fifth. But what they're going to do
is allow their two hundred newspapers around the country to

(22:57):
endorse candidates of the state and local levels at their
own discretion. And this seems like a little bit of
a gray area, I think, because if you're saying, well,
we're not doing this, but this is okay. I mean,
why draw the line right there? They're saying, well, you know,
we believe that that America's future has decided locally, one
race at a time, which to me seems kind of
like a strange response or maybe a non response in

(23:19):
this case to do this.

Speaker 11 (23:21):
It is quite well.

Speaker 14 (23:22):
You could take the cynical road right which says nobody
in the media, which nobody in the media takes, and
just say they just don't want to get on the
back side of whoever wins this election.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
So like the local races are not as important, but
you want to stay sweet with the president exactly, yes, exactly.

Speaker 16 (23:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
It is weird because if you're gonna have a principle,
you and just stick with it wholeheartedly. Hey, Dan, thank
you very much, really appreciated. Dan Mitchison, US correspondent. Hither
our company hasn't offer sweepstakes on the US election. Who
will win them?

Speaker 8 (23:47):
Buy?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
How much my money's on Trump to win? By one?
That's from Ben So Barry Soper was saying to me today,
he said, Kamala Harris is going to win, And I said, oh, yeah,
what makes you so? Because as you know, I've said
to you Donald Trump is going to win. And I said,
I said to him, my ear, what makes you so
confident that Karmala Harris is going to win? And he goes,
I just I can pick it. And I was like okay,
And I said to him, so, if Kamala Harris wins,

(24:09):
what do I need to acknowledge about you? And he said,
you had need to acknowledge that I am very good
at reading the public mood. I was like, okay, said
so if Donald Trump wins, are you going to acknowledge
that I'm very good at reading the public mood? He
said no, no, no, And I was like, ah, it's
different standards, is it? You're awesome? And I just get
lucky if I get it right. So anyway, he's going

(24:30):
to be here shortly, we'll ask me to back it
up hither I'm going to show my ignorance. Who the
hell is Candace Owans? We'll pull in Why don't you
just go google it? Because this is exactly the point
that I was trying to make. You didn't even know
that you were like home, It didn't even occur to
you that this woman Candice Owens existed and then young
Labor wrote a protest letter to stop Candice Owens bad ideas.

(24:51):
And now you're going to go google her and you're
going to find out all about her bad ideas. What
an own goal? Sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
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Speaker 2 (25:00):
Very so, senior political correspondence with US Now Barry, Hello,
good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 7 (25:04):
So.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
I gave a pracee just before of why you think
Kamala Harris is going to win? Which is just you
got the vibes.

Speaker 10 (25:10):
No, no, it's not. It's look if you can vote,
if you if you're a human being. And you look
at two people at the podium. One spends forty minutes
winding up music to dards like a board to and
particularly YMCA, which is a gay national anthem, and he

(25:31):
thinks it's the one of the best songs that he's
ever heard and pokes his fingers in the air. And
this man wants to be the president of the United States. Again,
I mean, honestly, it's your argument.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't get it. Well, I just think, are you
saying nobody could possibly vote a miner's president?

Speaker 10 (25:46):
Well, see, I never understood. I've got to say the
first time why he was voted in. And I just
can't understand having watched it all today. Kamala Harris's final
speech speech today, it was the significance of where she

(26:08):
gave it. I think that she delivered a speech that
reminded her of her audience of the end of the
Trump presidency.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Have listen, we know who Donald Trump is.

Speaker 12 (26:21):
He is the person who stood at this very spot
nearly four years ago and sent an armed mob to
the United States Capital to overturn the will of the
people in a free and fair election, an election that he.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Knew he lost.

Speaker 12 (26:43):
Americans died as a result of that attack, And while
Donald Trump sat in the White House watching, he was
told by his staff that the mob wanted to kill
his own vice president, and Donald Trump responded with two words,
So what, America, that's who Donald Trump is?

Speaker 10 (27:10):
Well, and it's true. I mean they said that they
wanted to hang Mike pens And Trump was told that
by his staff. I went back to check it out,
and look, the man is to me unbelievable as a
candidate for the United States presidency. Of course, you played
that clip earlier on of him saying that he wanted

(27:33):
the death penalty for all immigrants who killed any Americans. Well,
for his knowledge, many of the millions of Porto Ricans,
for example, who have now gone to the United States,
they are American citizens. So I don't know what he's
talking about.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
He's not having a cracked I don't want to be
defending the guy, but he's not having a cracked perto Ricans.
The comedian had a cracked Porto Ricans.

Speaker 10 (27:58):
This is a chap called Hunchcliffe's. Trump hasn't denied it,
They will apologize for it. He used crass language, joking
that Latinos loved making babies, and then went on to
make that remark that sparked the immigration turmoil.

Speaker 17 (28:14):
It is absolutely wild times, it really really is.

Speaker 11 (28:20):
And you know, there's a lot going on.

Speaker 17 (28:22):
Like I don't know if you guys know this, but
there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle
of the ocean right now.

Speaker 11 (28:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (28:29):
I think it's called Puerto Rico.

Speaker 14 (28:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (28:31):
And the thing is that the Puerto Rico is a
protected protectorate of the United States. All its citizens are
American citizens, and you know, for Trump not to distance
himself from that, to me is sort of unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
So you think that he's not going to be president
because no one could possibly elect the space.

Speaker 10 (28:51):
Yeah, but look, I know you're going to say that.
And I just wonder where Americans heads are at when
they look at a man like Donald Trump and say
that he's a serious individual. I mean, you have to
be joking a remember rocket man from North Coore. You know,
he had us on the brink of nuclear destruction. Men

(29:14):
with Kim Jong On threatening to fire missiles. I mean,
this man, I think is an absolute danger to the world.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
You've got to protect your heart.

Speaker 10 (29:24):
If I was an American would be most concerned that
this man is even standing.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Again, should Candice Owens be allowed into the country or not?

Speaker 10 (29:32):
Ah, Yes, I believe so. And it's the old story.
I mean, if New Zealanders don't want to engage with owns,
don't turn up to see her, I mean, I don't
care what she's got to say. She can say what
she likes. I mean, she has questioned ridiculous things. I mean,
she's as bad as a former incumbent that we've been
talking about in the White House. She questioned criticizes feminism,

(29:56):
she criticizes the black Lives Matter movement and trans people.
So what I mean that's her entitlement. She's not running
for office though, she's simply giving her views. I'm i
to tell you what. She's got a lot of followers.
She's got two point eight million subscribers to her YouTube channel,

(30:17):
and that's got over nine hundred videos that have been
viewed viewed three hundred and forty nine million times. So
she's got a following out there. I don't think i'd
go along to listen to her, but you know, if
people want to pay fifteen hundred dollars a table, let
them do it.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Brilliant Stuffberry, Thank you very much. Barry Soaper, senior political correspondent,
eight away from five, putting the.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic, asking breakfast.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
And the eer.

Speaker 13 (30:43):
The Education Review Office claims chronically absent students cost the
state three times as much as.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Those going to school.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
The head of Bro's Education Evaluation Center, Ruth you notice backwell,
this is be depressed about.

Speaker 18 (30:52):
This, Barry.

Speaker 19 (30:53):
We think we've got a chumic absence crisis. And I
bought the number of students of chronic absence in the
last decade and actually nearly trickled him primary school.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
How do you explain them?

Speaker 19 (31:01):
So as soon as we talked to said as a
range of factors, the whols them said their mental health
and issues, but being buried at school or not setting
say at schools and issues, or things going in their
family lives, for example, moving around a lot. But what
we do know is the support we've got in place
to respond to this is just not adequate and isn't
adequately resolved.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
the rain driver of the lamb used talk zb here
the blessed Barry's little cotton socks. He actually believes Americans
won't vote Trump back him because they will recognize what
on egotistical idioty is. Yeah, right here, what Barry said
is everything I love about Trump. Hither there were actually
no wars during Donald Trump's term. You know Barry is
going to be wrong next Wednesday A and you know

(31:40):
that we are going to rub it in because he's irrational.
It's completely irrational about Trump. He just can't I can't
see He's like, nobody's going to vote for their guy
as an idiot. The end, Well, obviously there are pen
plenty of people voting for the idiot and just look
at the pulse. What about both way just on something
completely different, feel sort of like same same kind of

(32:01):
vibe as the old Candice Owen band that we've been
talking about. What about Chris Luxon saying that he's open
to banning the sigh hail salute because the monkeys do
it in Australia's banned it. I mean, he was asked
about this, He was asked whether he would consider doing
the same thing as Australian and he's like, yeah, I'm
open to having that conversation. Why why do you want
to ban the monkeys from saying? Segale? Literally, who's offended

(32:24):
by this? Who is offended by the Mongrel Mob pulling
the Nazi salute? I mean, in order to be offended,
you'd have to believe that they actually knew what they
would Idiots? I mean, does there anybody dumber than a
Mongrel Mob member? Do you know what I mean? They
are widely recognized as of the two gangs, the two
dumbest gangs being the Mongrel Mob and the Black Power,

(32:46):
And the Mungrel Mob's right there anyway, It's actually kind
of mildly ridiculous, isn't it seeing a mongrel mob member
pull a Nazi salute from the Second World War. I
think they were going to be offended by But anyway,
we'll talk to the huddle. It's just we we'll talk
to the huddle when they're with us later on, later on,
next hour. First up, though, we're gonna have a little
chat to Jack Tame, who's been at that Kamala Harris rally.

(33:06):
My suspicion is that she has not managed to do
enough because she spent too long talking about Trump and
not enough about the economy. But we'll get Jack's take
because he actually sat through the whole thing. And then
after that, Erica Stanford on what she's doing for the
Lake Allie survivors, news Talk said, by.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Pressing the newspakers to get the real story, it's hither
duplessy Ellen drive with one New zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
News Talk said b.

Speaker 12 (33:45):
It is time to turn the page on the drama
and the conflict, the fear and division. It is time
for a new generation of leadership.

Speaker 7 (33:59):
In amer.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
That's the message from Kamala Harris, who's just delivered her
closing presidential picture was a thirty minute address from the
same spot that Trump stood prior to the Capitol Rights
Jack Taymee was in the crowdeds with us. Now, hey Jack, Hey, Now,
she spent a lot of time talking about Trump. But
did she actually spend enough time talking about the things
that voters really care about, which is the economy and
the cost of living crisis.

Speaker 20 (34:21):
Well, yeah, that's what they say they care about, right,
But I think it's just impossible to have an election
with Donald Trump that isn't at least in some significant
way about Donald Trump.

Speaker 15 (34:30):
But yeah, looks at she kind of split it into
two parts.

Speaker 20 (34:33):
So she did the first part focusing almost entirely on Trump,
prosecuting Trump, talking about how he kind of betrayed the
American democracy. And then in the second half she tried
to lay that layout an alternative vision again, you know,
taking a few points to attack him.

Speaker 15 (34:48):
But she you know, she laid out various tax quits.

Speaker 20 (34:50):
That she supported, and things to make sure that insulin
prices would remain low, presumably things that are you know,
that her team think are important to American voters. But yeah,
like I say, it's kind of hard to imagine that
any election. But Donald Trump doesn't have some of the
personal stuff involved.

Speaker 7 (35:07):
Why was she.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Delivering a closing address when there are still a week
to go in the campaign.

Speaker 15 (35:11):
Well, I think because they're worried about momentum.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's my theory.

Speaker 20 (35:14):
And you know, it was really interesting tonight like that
the symbolism was everything.

Speaker 15 (35:18):
It wasn't really the message that mattered. It was a symbolism.

Speaker 20 (35:21):
It was an amazing set, as you say, right there
at the Ellipse, directly in front of the White House,
So anyone tuning in on television would have seen Kamala
Harris coming out beautifully lit with the White House directly
behind her. You know, it was that the classic quality
that American political commentators always talked about.

Speaker 15 (35:40):
You know, the effort to look presidential. Well, I don't
think anyone could deny that she looked presidential.

Speaker 20 (35:46):
But my sense is that the Democrats are a little
bit nervous that they have been slipping the polls over
the last few weeks. They're trying to reclaim some momentum.
But yeah, it's hardly like this is. It might be
her closing argument, but it's not going to be her
closing speech. The elections a week away she's going to
be addressing crowds every day right up until election Day
and presumably giving the same message. But I think they

(36:07):
really tried to tried to seize a bit of momentum
back heating the last week.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
But overshadowed by Biden's faux pas. Do you reckon Biden
was calling? Was he caused? Was he calling Trump supporters garbage?
Or was he actually calling the guy the comedian garbage?

Speaker 20 (36:24):
The way I just watched it without having read anything first,
the way I interpret it when I watched it was
that he was calling Trump supporters garbage.

Speaker 15 (36:33):
That's the way I interpret it.

Speaker 20 (36:34):
So it seems crazy that they'll put them put themselves
in a position where he would say that. That being said,
I can't imagine there are any really, really die hard
Trump supporters have been planning on voting for Trump right
up till now, but were put off because of the commandit.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Mobilizes them the other day, mobilizing No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 20 (36:54):
I think I think it's more likely there are some
marginal voters in Pennsylvania, potentially Puerto Rican who might have
been dissuaded from voting for Trump. But I don't think
Trump's keenest supporters are going to be turning on them
over those comments, and Biden is unlikely to affect much
for that very same reason.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Right Like it may.

Speaker 20 (37:15):
Maybe the bear Puerto Rican voters in Pennsylvania who were
a bit annoyed at Trump the other day and are
now a bit annoyed at Biden, But I don't know,
we're maybe stretching along vote there.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Maybe so Hey, Jack, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Jack,
tame Q and A present to host a Saturday Mornings
on z BE. Probably the biggest problem is that Carla
wanted everybody to be talking about Carla, but now they're
talking instead, not about Carmela but about Joe Biden, aren't they?
Five to eleven forgive a bit of a win for
survivors of Lake Alice. Today, the government's announced it will
reimburse the survivors for around twenty seven thousand dollars worth

(37:47):
of legal fees each, which dates back to a settlement
with the government in two thousand and one where the
law firm acting for the survivors clipped the ticket. Eric
Stanford is the Minister in charge of the Abuse and
Care Response. Hee Erica, Hi, how are you why, well,
thank you? Why are you doing this?

Speaker 21 (38:02):
Look, it's the right thing to do. It's been over
twenty years of it and historical injustice whereby one group
of Lake Alie survivors had their legal fees deducted from
their redress whereas subsequent groups didn't. And look, many subsequent
governments have chosen not to write this, but it is
the right thing to do and Cabinet have made that
decision that we will reimburse their legal fees.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Should the law firm Grant Cameron and associates have clipped
the ticket like this?

Speaker 21 (38:28):
Look, that's a question for mister Cameron that you'll have
to put to him.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
But should they have word agree? I mean the counterfactors
they would have worked for free, should they have no?

Speaker 21 (38:38):
Obviously lawyers are allowed to take a certain percentage. And
the thing for the government though, is it in the
second round and subsequent redress claims that we've had we
have paid the legal fees for all of those Lake
Alis claimants and we didn't for the first round and
it's just not been put right and now it has been.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Do you have a problem with how much they clipped
the ticket? Because forty percent a lot.

Speaker 21 (39:01):
Yeah, Look, as I said, I just don't want to
get into that. It's a question for mister Cameron. We're
just putting it right.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Are you going to I mean, are you seeking any
reimbursement from the firm or are you just going to
double pay this? Basically, no, we're not.

Speaker 21 (39:15):
We will just be We will just be paying those
claimants back.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
How many of the ninety five who settled in two
thousand and one are still alive?

Speaker 21 (39:25):
It's hard to say. We don't have all of the information.
You know, we are thinking about seventy. But look, we
will see who comes forward. We've left it open. We're
going to make it in the expedited process and we'll
see who comes forward. We don't have, unfortunately, all of
their details. We've got many details, and some of them
I'm in touch with myself. But there will be many
of them that we have old information for so we're

(39:47):
relying on them to come forward to us.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
And where are you at with the final settlement? How
far away is that yet?

Speaker 21 (39:53):
In terms of like Alice, the redress for torture, the
Prime Minister has said on the rec or that it
is a priority for us this year. We've been working
through the finer details and we're taking papers through cabinet.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Erica really quickly, because of course you are the Education
Minister as well. What do you make of that AER
report today on the.

Speaker 21 (40:11):
Truancy Completely unsurprising. We've known for a long time that,
you know, our kids aren't going to school. The chronic
numbers you know, we've known have been increasing. I think
that the really key question is schools can't deal with
us on their own. These are you know, for some

(40:32):
of these children that are transient, they've got severe trauma
in their lives, dysfunctional homes, many of them have been
severely bullied. So look, I think schools are going to
need a lot of support, not only from the Ministry
of Education but from other departments as well.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Erica, thanks very much appreciated, Erica Stanford, Minister responsible for
the government's response to the Abuse and Care inquiry, also
Education Minister. On the eighty thousand children according to this
ERA report, who are chronically absent in term two this year,
this is what happens to these kids, right, This is
why we should when they hit twenty years old. Half
of the ones who were chronically absent did not have

(41:07):
level two NCA, so half of them don't go on
to get Level two NCAA. Nearly half of them, at
the age of twenty five are on welfare. That's what
happens later in life. David Seymour, the Associate Minister of
ourth who's responsible for dealing with truancy, is with us
after half past five. Right now it's quarter pass. I'm
going to get to some of the texts in the
minutes eighteen past five. First we've got to talk about

(41:28):
the old perennial issue of the All Blacks doing the hakker,
because that's come up again, isn't it. English prop Joe
marler Is tweeted the hakker needs binning. It's ridiculous. Joining
us now with his thoughts on this, as former All
Blacks coach Laurie Mains Lurrie, the hell are you? I'm
very well, thank you? What do you reckon about what
he's had to say?

Speaker 5 (41:47):
Well, I'll be serious for a minute. The harka is
a long standing tradition with the All Blacks. It's appreciated
by the players and usually by the crowds, and more importantly,
it represents our multi cultural rugby society.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yes, and now, if you're not being serious.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
Who would want to take any offense at what Joe
Marla says. After all, he's a front row prop and
he wouldn't have a clue where the harker stands in
New Zealand rugby.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, that's a fair point. Actually, he made an interesting point.
I just wonder if he's got a point on this
one where he said it's only really interesting when the
opposing team offers some sort of response, and that, to
be honest, Laurie, is the bit that I like. I
like to see what they've got to say for themselves.
Is he has he got a point there?

Speaker 5 (42:43):
Yes he has, and that they I mean the in
the true to tradition of the harker. You know that
Mary was one Mary would one tribe would do his harker,
the other tribe would do their, and then they were
into it. So if teams want to organize a response
to the harker, I'm with them all the way. Now

(43:08):
they won't be as fearsome as our harker.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
This is true. Is there is it possible that we
are overdoing it now that we have so many international tests.
You know, back in the day we didn't really and
even then we'd only do it for away games. But
now we're doing it all the time out away and
home games, and it does it does feel like, I
don't know, it doesn't feel quite as special.

Speaker 10 (43:31):
Well.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
I think that is because every man and his dog
does harker, and that the harker is represented in the
areas that I'm sure that the Maris didn't intend that.
Now I'm going to stir things up a bit here, Heather,
I don't believe in all of the marriage studies I

(43:53):
did at school, the Wahini never did harkers.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
What do they do?

Speaker 5 (44:00):
They didn't do anything. They didn't fight.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, that's true.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
The ladies didn't enter.

Speaker 18 (44:07):
Into fights the role.

Speaker 5 (44:09):
Yeah, yeah, now, I I mean it doesn't bother me.
The the A lot of Mary sports women or sorry,
a lot of New Zealand sports teams that are a
woman do the harker and I've got no problem with it.
But I just wonder if we are overdoing it.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yes, well, this is the point that I'm trying to make. Yeah,
and that and the national anthem, we've scrapped a lot
of it. Hey, thank you very much. Laurie appreciated Larry
Mains for Wall Blacks coach Heather read the Biden comments
as that sort of arrogance by the Democrats that allowed
Trump into the game to start with. I agree, I
totally agree. That's a fair point, because remember a lot
of the Trump vote is a kind of anti elite,
anti establishment vote. If you've got somebody in their league

(44:51):
going and your garbage, whether or I still don't think
Biden was actually talking about supporters, but the fact that
the story narrative will overtake the facts from here on
and people will think that and if you hear that,
then that's pretty elitist of him, isn't it. And that's
a bit sucky, And now you're gonna like Trump even
more potentially Listen big day Tomorrow, the Transport and Accident
Investigation Commission TAIICE is releasing its interim reportant to the

(45:15):
grounding of the Tea back in June, remember when it
just sort of casually lodged itself on the Sandy Beach
that one. So what that means is we're gonna find
out a whole bunch of stuff that up to now
nobody's been able to tell us, Like why didn't the
crew on the bridge know that the hat to press
that button? To disable the autopilot for five seconds? Why

(45:36):
didn't they know they had to press it for five seconds? Also,
was Winnie p Wright and somebody ducked off to have
a coffee the one person who possibly knew you had
to press it for five seconds. All those questions will
be answered tomorrow, and I cannot wait. Five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.
It's Heather Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected a news talk as they'd be here.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
The Nazi puro women have always done the Harker, So
Laurie was wrong on Thanks for that. Twenty five past five. Listen,
If Jeff Bezos wants to restore trust in the media
by killing endorsements of presidential candidates, he's making a mistake,
because I reckon, this is only going to make trust
in the media worse. Now, if you haven't caught up
on this, a bit of kerfuffle over in the States.
What's happened is at the Washington Post, which is the
newspaper that Jeff Bezos owns, was going to endorse Karmala

(46:24):
Harris for president. But then Bezos intervened and stopped it happening,
and staffers quit in protest, and now two hundred and
fifty thousand subscribers and counting have canceled their payments as well,
presumably in protest. Now, Bezos said that he did that
because presidential endorsements quote create a perception of bias. But
he's wrong. They don't. That bias already exists. It's not

(46:46):
there because of the endorsement. It is already there. I mean,
think about the New Zealand media landscape. We don't do
endorsements here, do we, and yet we constantly talk about
media bias in the New Zealand landscape because that bias
is in every thing that a media outlet does. So
it's in the kind of story a media outlet will choose.
You know, a conservative outfit would probably go harder on

(47:07):
Ginny Anderson for her King tweet, but a left wing
outfit would probably go harder on Andrew Bailey for pulling
the owl sign and doing the dad joke at the staffer.
It's the way they tell the story as well, right,
So it's not just the story they pick, but also
how they tell it. A left leaning outfit would argue
on a capital gains tax that we need one, and
a right leaning outfit would argue on a capital gains

(47:28):
tax that we don't need one. And it's also in
the kind of words that they use. A left leaning
outfit would call Trump a tyrant, a right leaning outfit
would talk about his successes in the job. The giveaways
are there regardless of a presidential endorsement. That bias is
already obvious to people. I actually think people are okay
with bias as long as the media honest outlet is

(47:50):
honest about it and doesn't pretend that the bias isn't there.

Speaker 9 (47:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
It's when the media outlet pretends that they are not
biased and that they straight down the middle that is
when people lose trust. Bezos would be better off leaving
the endorsement there so that people know which way the
Washington Post leans, rather than trying to hide the bias,
because people are going to see it anyway. They see
it in places like New Zealand as well. Togither we're

(48:13):
going to talk to a huddle about that. Also, I
can't understand this, Okay, you remember how health New Zealand
got busted for those cannipeys. They spent like nine grand
on it. Well, they've just been busted for another conference
this time. The conference was at Auckland's Eden Park October
last year, so a full year ago, basically to the day.
Basically to the day at eden Park they held a conference.

(48:34):
Catering costs ninety six thousand dollars, then you hire another
twenty thousand dollars and the people that Health New Zealand
had at the conference were four hundred finance stuff. Now,
why do you need a conference for finance stuff? What?
Who aren't we just talking about people here who fill

(48:55):
out like Excel spreadsheets and pay bills and stuff like that.
What do you need to talk about? Do you need
to compare notes about how much your doctor's earning or
like do you need help with your Excel? Spring cheets?
Like why are you having a conference? I don't get
it anyway. Rob Campbell, as we formerly boss there, he's
with us on the huddle. Maybe he can explain soon.
Headline's next.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Hard Questions Strong opinion.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Heather duper c Allen drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected and news talks.

Speaker 7 (49:23):
It'd be.

Speaker 22 (49:26):
Taken by the way on the situation with Chris lux
and thinking about potentially banning the Nazi salute because the
Munkies are doing it, and they did it yesterday at

(49:48):
fats Is Tonguey.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
We're going to talk to Paul Spoonlee about that after six.
He's a researcher who's looked quite a lot into the
radical right. I feel like there won't be that much
overlap between the radical right and the munk mob, but anyway,
he'll have some thoughts on whether there's any value in
actually banning something like this. The huddle standing by to
have a chat to us very shortly. Hither can you
please ask at Y Sandringham Dominion wrote amount Eden Roads

(50:11):
a chokker with bumper to bumper traffic. There's no signs
warning of roadworks, but cones every it's not because mate
Drew Drew. There's a Travis Scott concert on tonight at
Eden Park. Where have you been? Everybody knows about the
Travis Scott concert. There's a massive, massive consertn no roadworks
as a massive concert on tonight, which by the way,
I am going to and I literally know not a

(50:32):
single Travis Scott song. And we are all very worried
about the state of me because I don't know if
you know this, but ands didn't people die at a
Travis Scott concert one time or a couple of times? Yeah,
there was the crowd crush and then wasn't there a
lightning strike? Or am I just like now embellishing the
story completely. There might have been the lightning strike. We're

(50:52):
not sure. Anyway, I don't want to make it a
trifector because you know, one turns up with a gigantic
baby and one's tummy and then you're at the Traviscott concerts.
So wished me luck. But anyway, there's your answer to
the traffic issues. So watch out around there. Twenty three
away from six, Heather do for Sea Allen, the Education
Review Office reckons we're now at a crisis point over
chronic school absences in New Zealand. The ERA report out

(51:13):
today says eighty thousand kids were chronically absent in term two. Now,
David Seymour is the Associate Associate Education Minister responsible for
dealing with true and seeing. He's with us. Now, Hey, David, hi, Heather,
do you reckon that the changes that you're making is
going to fix this?

Speaker 18 (51:28):
I do the headline figure that's shocked everybody of about
eighty thousand, so one in ten students being chronically absent.
We've known that for a while from the data that
we publish each term. It's crept up over the last
ten years, and I think it's fair to say it's
a crisis. However, the useful parts of the report that

(51:49):
I commissioned from Aero is that it shows why things
aren't working. You've got too many people who aren't talking
to each other, attendance services of varying quality, police and
MSD and I rung A tama Viki not really integrated
into the system. And what I'm proposing and building up

(52:10):
this year as STAR, which we call Step to Attendance
Response System. It has a role for everybody, parents critically,
but also students and the school and the different government
agencies like the Attendance Services, I rung A, Tamaiki, police
and so on. Because where I've seen success and this
is why I believe it will work. There's places like

(52:33):
glen in this School in East Auckland, Freiburg High in
Palmerston North, places like Burnside and christ Church where I
Visabeth and I've found that they're getting success because they
have a group of people, partly in the school, partly
in the community, who all work together. They're not shy
about breaking privacy laws that they really have to, and
we're going to have information sharing agreements amongst the departments

(52:56):
as part of this too, and they actually do everything
possible to stop kids for coming through it, get them
back if they are, and keep them there, reintegrate them
so that they stay. What the euro report shows is
that while that's possible, it only happens in a few places.
The norm is miscoordination, and that's what the Star system
is designed to fix.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
David, if Chris Luxen considers this ban on the Nazi
salute by the mongrel mob and then takes it all
the way through to cabinet and it gets to the
cabinet stage, would you support it.

Speaker 18 (53:28):
Well, I'm pretty skeptical about any restriction on speech. The
problem with standing for free speech is you always end
up defending people that you wouldn't want to have over
for dinner yourself. So you know, I absolutely bore any
kind of Nazi symbolism. But there's another argument that if
people do have really stupid views like that and are

(53:49):
willing to self identify by making these symbols, then maybe
we should let them they doing us all the favor, because.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
We know that that's stupid. David, Thank you very much.
David Seymour Eggs pot of Leader and of course Associate
Minister of Education. Twenty away from six the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
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Speaker 2 (54:08):
No other On the Huddle with me, Nick Legget Infrastructure
New Zealand and Rob Campbell at Chancellor in former Health
New Zealand schare Hello are you too?

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Hello afternoon, comrade.

Speaker 8 (54:18):
Who are you.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Trying to trigger by saying that.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I didn't know what trigger anybody?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
It felt pointed, didn't it? Nick? I don't believe this
protestation of innocence to you.

Speaker 8 (54:31):
I thought it was amusing.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Listen, Rob, I do need to talk to you about
this conference. How please explain to me why Health New
Zealand needs to get four hundred finance people into a
room together. What's the value in that?

Speaker 23 (54:46):
I would say zero? It never happened when I was
involved with Tatura. And that's really the issue of these
things that I mean, whether that costs X y Z
decayed for them or not as not really a very
big part of the cost. I don't think the question
is whether you need to have who of the size
of this type at all and what the priorities that

(55:07):
are being applied are. So yeah, I think it's very
disappointing to hear that.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Okay, so Rob, if you and I cannot and we're
totally different life experiences, but neither of us and you
obviously know what you're talking about, neither of us actually
know why they need to have a conference like this,
Then why are they having a conference like this? This
is just a bit of a whoy, a little get together.

Speaker 23 (55:27):
I think my experiences, when you have a lot of managers,
they tend to make things up for themselves to do.
And I think that's been a problem in health for
quite some time, not focusing on the real issues at
the front line and focusing on these sorts of things.
I mean, there is a need to communicate and coordinate

(55:49):
amongst the various finance teams that operate into Fartara, but
that does not have to happen, and in fact doesn't
most efficiently happen by getting them together for WHO that kind.
So I think it's a nonsense and the catering. It's
just a small part of it.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Nick, what proportion do you think of conferences in the
public sector? Are just parties no value otherwise.

Speaker 8 (56:13):
Well, it's difficult to say. I mean, the thing is,
you do want to allow people the opportunity if it's
going to provide value for their organization and for their role,
to be able to get together where it's needed. The
issue is it's hard to defend when it's four hundred
people who are already part of the same system. And
I think, as Rob says, it's not always the face

(56:33):
to face, it's actually this should be operating as one
system anyway. It becomes very hard to justify when you're
an organization under pressure and you know very much in
the red, Nick, is.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
This stuff just happens because people are like, you know what,
we deserve a little we deserve at a little trip
to Eden Park and all Sky Stadium and if you cannopay,
shall we do that. I feel like they're taking the mickey.
I feel like it's become part of the culture and
the public sector.

Speaker 8 (57:00):
But the justification, if it's not ready and evident upon scrutiny,
then you know that it probably wasn't done for the
right reasons, and I haven't heard a good defense here,
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Yeah, I think it's a wides.

Speaker 23 (57:15):
I don't think it's limited to the public sector. You know,
these things happen a lot in the private sector as well,
and you know, one of the reasons. Funnily enough, I'm
not allowed to advertise for.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Anyone, am I.

Speaker 23 (57:28):
But I was at an airline today, quite a big
one in New Zealand, and.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
They were I wonder which one that is?

Speaker 23 (57:35):
Yes, carry on, Yeah, Well they were complaining about, you know,
the thirty percent drop in revenue that they're experienced. A
significant part of that is that people are not having
the number of conferences in the amount of travel that
they used to have. So you know, it possibly is
self correcting to some extent. But I wouldn't anyone like
anyone to think that this was purely a problem.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
No, but you see the wrong. Here's the thing. If
you're a private company and you want to get your
people together for some kind of you know, cultural lift
or you know, like you want to you want to
lift the culture of the place or whatever, be my guest.
I'm not paying for it. But with the public sector,
we are which is why we hold them to account
in a different way.

Speaker 23 (58:14):
Right, Well you are you are probably paying for it
if you're a customer, So it gets built into the
cost structure of the private organization. So you do end
up paying for it.

Speaker 11 (58:23):
Yeah, I suppose so through the text that you're not
able to avoid.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
This is true. Yeah, all right, guys, at your point,
we'll take a break, come back very shortly.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Quarter to the huddles with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty
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Speaker 2 (58:37):
Right, you're back with the huddle, Nick Legand and Rob Campbell. Nick,
I'm keenan. You'll take on Jeff Bezos thinking that he's
fixing media bias by taking away presidential endorsements. What do
you think.

Speaker 8 (58:47):
I would have had more sympathy for his position had
it head he uttered it three months ago, not right
at the point of the campaign, when the when the
endorsement was due. Look, it's different, it's a different environment,
isn't it, In the United States in terms of media
intervention and endorsements, and in the United Kingdom as well
to New Zealand. We tend to although you can sometimes

(59:10):
see a slant in the media. We tend to be
a little bit more independent independent here, and we don't
expect to hear from our media. It seems to me
as though this is a bunch of billionaires hedging your
bets on Trump, and that concerns me a little bit
because I think you should have the courage of your convictions.
But that also means that you can have the courage
not to say anything, and that's what he's chosen to do.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, I sort of feel robed that. Actually I don't
mind media biased, but I don't want media pretend to
pretend that they're not biased when they are. And actually
a presidential endorsement is quite a nice little signal of
where you sit, and I appreciate that.

Speaker 23 (59:43):
What do you think, Yeah, I had noticed that you
were in opposed to a bit of media bias here.
They're actually you for noticing that from time to time. Look,
everyone's biased about various things, and the idea that these
papers have ever been particularly you know, objective, I think
I've got some real doubts about I think it's a

(01:00:04):
bit of a sideshow. Frankly, I think it's more for
someone like Bezos that someone like Musk is getting more
publicity for being an idiot, so he thinks he wants
to do the stimming dance by being an idiot as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
And there's a.

Speaker 23 (01:00:16):
Little bit of a pissing contest, isn't it, rather than
any genuine political content.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah, I suppose it's probably an elemented truth to that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:23):
Nick.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
What do you make of the cops opposing the fundraiser
for suicide serving any alcohol because of the link between
alcohol and suicide.

Speaker 8 (01:00:32):
I think it is a complete overstep on behalf of
authorities this. I've read about the woman who was putting
on this event to draw attention to mental health and suicide.
She had been very open about her own struggles with
mental health. She was running a responsible event that had
been in pray that have been praised with its restriction

(01:00:54):
on stopping serving alcohol thirty minutes before the end and
having food throughout free water. It was an event that
was really I think, showcasing how alcohol can be a
moderate backdrop to a nice social event. That's what we
should be aiming for as a country. Banning and stopping

(01:01:15):
brings out the very behaviors that the police and Department
of Health say that they're trying to stop. When you
ban something just and our record in this country is
there for everybody to see. We're the prohibition and six
o'clock closing. Get it, God get us. It got us
too much drinking and too short a time. And I
think we're still living with the consequences of that. Yes,

(01:01:35):
I think we should educate about alcohol, of course we should.
We should be upfront about it. We should be as
a society more conservative about the way New Zealanders drink
and our culture to drinking. But banning and having the
sort of finger waggers do this will have the opposite
impact of the one that they want.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
How the copse become so weird about olcohol? Oh, we
can't hear you, Rob.

Speaker 23 (01:02:02):
It's certainly going to cause some distress amongst police, social
clubs and other social activities if they start to apply
it more widely. And yeah, I don't think. I think
it'll be quite limited. And then you know, if you
take it to it's extreme. Why do you have alcohol
Imparliament when it's discussing important things and we all know
that there is alcohol there and that people sometimes have

(01:02:25):
one or two and even sometimes get a bit abusive
to the HOYPELOI when they're out meeting them. So this
is you know, the next point is quite right. There
are alcohol issues in New Zealand. They are quite serious.
But this is I think, frankly trivializing the real issues
of both suicide and alcohol by combining the two and
taking objections to this perfectly harmless activity.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yep, I agree with you, okay, Nick? Yes or no?
The hakker before the All Blacks Games? Should it be
banned for being ridiculous?

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:02:55):
Of course not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
You love it?

Speaker 8 (01:02:57):
Do you want me to go on? Go on? I
mean like some guy sort of from you know, the
UK gets sort of I don't know what, he gets
offended or he gets wound up about the hacker. Well,
it's kind of the point. And like it's a there's
a uniquely New Zealand display and also Oceany. If you

(01:03:18):
look at all the other Pacific nations that do a version,
that's the way that we can display that. It's it's
it's this country that's playing. It's what this country's indigenous
people do before they go into battle. It's a great
display and I think here we was proud of it
and we shouldn't be worried about what some opposing team says,
you don't go and find your own thing to do?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Mate, he rob you Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:03:40):
I think Joe Mahler is what Mark Mature would call
an idiot. People shouldn't take any notice of them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Guys, thank you, really appreciate you take on everything today?
Is Nick Legan and Rob Campbell a huddle this evening
eight away from six on your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car
on your drive home. Heather duper c Allen drive with
One New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News Talk.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
As it be, Heather, isn't the question actually with Health
New Zealand more like why do they need four hundred
finance people? That is a very good question. Maybe they
were getting together to decide who's going to get who's
going to be the sacrifice, you know, like having a
Hunger Games conference. I sacrifice to get out of this place.
Me three fingers in the air. Hither that's a bit
harsh on the finance team is that it was the

(01:04:25):
first one to get all of the finance team together
and contacts. Further to how prove consistency and approach each
district acted differently. Further, there was structuring per labor that
was happening, and yet again National is going through another
What about the costs of people? Oh my gosh, whatever,
it's not that hard with It's not like finance teams
are not like I mean, I just think all of
these conferences are done. But definitely a finance team conference

(01:04:48):
is done because you're dealing with numbers, right, Just send
out a note and you'd be like, this is how
we do this. Now use that Excel spreadsheet, thanks very much.
Put the numbers in like that, don't you anyway, you
are going to be shocked to hear this. But there
is opposition to David Seymour's food and schools program. Again

(01:05:09):
more opposition. I know it's taken me. Stop press, it's
taken me by surprise. Headline, front page lead today the
West Coast is upset because their school lunches are going
to be made in Hamilton. I know, oh Hamilton, gross
who wants to eat Hamilton's food? The West Coast doesn't. Apparently.
The headline is dismay as West Coast school lunch is

(01:05:32):
set to be made in Hamilton on Friday. Local principles
express dismay about the change. They were unsure how it
would work, or what extra cost it would mean? Work
it would mean for staff? What do you who cares?
Who cares you're going to get the food delivered to
your school? Who cares how it works? And what possible

(01:05:53):
extra work would there be for staff apart from probably
sticking it in the microwave if it's cold, all the
oven or something like that. Oh my gosh, people, Honestly,
I feel like we ought to just like chill out
a little bit. Look, Compass group is at some point
going to inevitably make a mistake. These are the people
making the food, right, they are going to stuff up
at some point. That is a given. You cannot. I

(01:06:15):
don't believe you can make three dollar meals every single
day for thousands of children for months on end and
not make a stuff up Like there will one hundred
percent be a meal that arrives somewhere, probably the West Coast,
to be honest, where like all the food is kerfuffly
and it looks headyous and maybe there's some mold and
the package just dented. God only knows. At that point,
complain to your heart's content. But before we get to

(01:06:37):
that point, can we just give it a chance please anyway,
Next up, let's talk to Paul Spoonlee about the money's doing,
the old Nazi salution, whether it needs to be banned,
news talks.

Speaker 9 (01:06:45):
There be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Can you be track of where the money is flowing?

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
With a business hour we'd here the duplicy Allen and
my hr.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Evening coming up in the next hour, we're going to
talk to the fastest growing region in the country to
get their take on the government's building consent plans and
whether they're on board of it. Gnative Trainee will talk
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down Gloria Vale's accounts and milfedd asset management on sparks troubles.
It's coming up eight past six now. The Prime Minister
says that he's open to having a discussion about banning

(01:07:25):
Nazi salutes and symbols. And this is because mongrel mob
members obviously use the hands signal your Nazi signal, along
with the expression sighil and they were pulling that out
yesterday at the Tonguey in Wellington. Sociologist Professor Paul Spoonley
is an expert in far right extremism and with us. Now, hey,
Paul did they Heather, do you support a ban?

Speaker 24 (01:07:48):
No, I don't and I don't and I don't for
a couple of reasons. One is is it enforceable, And
it's going to be very interesting to see whether that
is the case with the gang patch ban. And the
second is doesn't have any effect because I think banning
doesn't address underlying problems. And I would say the same
about swastikas and Nazis slots as I would about the

(01:08:10):
gang patch.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
What is the underlying problem with the mangro moob that
causes them to pull out this kind of a sign.

Speaker 24 (01:08:17):
Well, they when they were being established in the late
nineteen sixties nineteen seventies, one of the signia and signs
and symbolism that they called upon was something that was
deeply offensive to a lot of people, and so they
used those Nazi symbols and signs, and they of course
continue to do so. So it's what's called racially aggravated harassment.

(01:08:41):
And around the world around in Europe and other parts
of the world, those sort of signs have been banned
places like Switzerland, the UK, Poland and so on. We've
never gone down that route, and so the banning of
the gang pat which is quite an interesting departure. And

(01:09:02):
I think if the government's going to be consistent, it's
going to have to say what else are we going
to ban? Because you know you can't. I've always had
a problem, Heather, with the way in which the police
and corrections identify people. So when they talk about gangs,
they tend to talk about black power and mangral mob,
whereas I've been researching the fourth Rank, which is a

(01:09:25):
white supremacist gang in South Island prisons. Now, why don't
you treat them in the same way and look at
what they do and what sort of signs they use.
But to go back to your first question, I think
banning doesn't address the underlying issues.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah, it's kind of weird that we're looking at banning
it now, isn't that. Like it's a real indication of
where we are at as a world, because in the
sixties and seventies, I would have imagined that them doing
it back then would be far more offensive than it
is now. Like as time has gone on, it just
looks increasingly ridiculous, doesn't it. So if we didn't ban
it back in the sixties and seventies, why in God's
name sixty years later, Are we so so offended by it?

Speaker 24 (01:10:01):
Yeah? I think some people are offended and for some
people it has caused distress. So if you look at
the at the Australian example, where they've banned Nazi saluts
and symbols in New South Wales and Victoria, they've recognized
that it is really distressing and very offensive to certain communities,
obviously the Jewish community, so they've used that as a justification.

(01:10:23):
But we've never we've never been very enthusiastic about that.
So you go back to Jeffrey Palmer and some of
the things that he was asked to do and didn't do.
And then you look again at Paul East. I don't
know whether you remember, but there was evidence that we
had war criminals come to New Zealand and so the
government set up a particular group to investigate that did

(01:10:45):
discover that there were war criminals here, but then chose
not to do anything about it. And that was both
labor and national. So we've never been enthusiastic pud.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Why did we not do anything about it?

Speaker 24 (01:10:59):
It was all a bit too hard. You'd have to
take them to court, you'd have to find people who
could give evidence. Now, in fact, there was evidence, and
the commission that was set up did discover that evidence.
And in fact, Heather, if I can just dislow something
on your radio station. In the nineteen eighties, I knew
that one of them was living in Parmeston, North and

(01:11:21):
I actually went and visited him. So many people knew
who they were and where they were, but at a
government level, we just didn't. We weren't enthusiastic about prosecuting
them as war criminals.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
This war criminal that you visit in PARMI how senior
are we talking. Are we just talking like a low
level prison guard or we're talking about somebody quite.

Speaker 24 (01:11:40):
Sa Yeah, my understanding. He was a prison guard and
he was quite old when when I saw him, obviously,
and by the time they did the investigation, which was
in nineteen ninety one, when they set up the unit,
you know that most of them were either dead. Originally
there were forty six people identified who'd come to New

(01:12:01):
Zealanders and who would possibly be war criminals, so there
was quite a few, but of course by the nineteen
nineties most of them had died.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Fascinating, so do we just not really care about this
stuff very much?

Speaker 24 (01:12:14):
I think I think we do care about it. And
obviously the Gang patch legislation, which is coming into fall soon,
does indicate that we care about in this case offensive symbols.
But we have been very reluctant to legislate and to
act in terms of prosecutions in this country. So the

(01:12:36):
gang legislation is actually a departure from what the position
that we've tended to adopt.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
How fascinating, Paul, thanks for chatting to us. Always love
talking to you. That's Paul Spoonley, sociologists and expert and
far right extremism. Listen. Spark as in the telecommunications company
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the ones that have the fastest growing region in the country.
So as you can imagine, if you're growing in population,
you're building houses, and if you're building houses, you're inspecting
all of the building work. And if you're doing that,
you're employing the inspectors and that would be the problem
that Selwyn District Council's gotten. So are they happy about
what the Government's going to do with the building consents?
We'll have a chat to them in around about twenty

(01:15:06):
minutes time. Now, B and Z we need to talk
about them heading to the Court of Appeal tomorrow in
a bid to get permission to close the accounts that
Gloria Vale has got with them. Janative Trainey, as The
Herald's Wellington business editor, in with us. Now, how do
your name, hey, Heather? Now, currently A B and Z
wants to close them, but currently there's an injunction that's
stopping them from doing that. Is the court case tomorrow

(01:15:27):
going to resolve that injunction situation?

Speaker 25 (01:15:30):
Yeah, that's right. So there is an injunction in place
that is preventing B and Z from closing Gloria Vale's accounts.
Tomorrow there'll be quite quite a big day really for
this in the Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal
will decide whether B and Z can get rid of
that injunction and whether B and Z can just close
the accounts or not now. If not, then this thing

(01:15:55):
will carry on and the case will continue to trial
and trial will figure out well, does bean Z have
the right to decide who it does business with and
doesn't have the right to get rid of Glory Vale
if it thinks Gloria of Oalve doesn't meet its human
rights policy, which is bean Z's argument, isn't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
There already a precedent for this stuff? Like I mean,
I remember, if I remember correctly, kee We Bank also
deciding not to bank a whole bunch of businesses that
had some sort of tie in with mining or some
some sort of climate change stuff.

Speaker 25 (01:16:26):
Yeah, that was actually with money remitters. That was quite
a few years ago. There was a situation where money
remittance firm took key We Bank to court because KEEPI
Bank wanted to close its accounts because of anti money
laundering laws. Keey Bank said, well, you know, if we're
going to comply with these money laundering rules, we need
to be able to know where the money is coming

(01:16:49):
from that is coming to the bank and who it's
going to. And with a money remitter, it can be
hard to really know, you know, exactly where that money
is coming from and whether it complies with anti money laundering.
So keep We Bank won that case, you know, and
the court said, well keep you Bank. You know, it's
a business, it can decide who it does business with.

(01:17:10):
The legalities with this gloria of our situation, there's a
different legal argument being made and it's largely around whether
around this human rights policy that being Z has. But
I mean, I think this is going to be a
really big deal because you know, Gloria Vale needs a
bank to survive, like it has quite major farming operations.

(01:17:34):
Its entire community, you know, kind of still needs to
operate in the world that we live in, and you
know you need a bank account for that. No other
banks want anything to do with Gloria Vale. They struggle
to get another bank to bank them back in twenty
twenty two when B and Z said it wanted out.
So you know, I think that if Gloria of Vale

(01:17:55):
loses this case, it will put its viability on the line.
And even more, I'm not too sure who else would
want to bank it. And I mean the broader effects
for the financial world are quite substantive to you know,
if banks can decide, if they have more leeway to
decide exactly who they bank and who they don't bank,

(01:18:15):
because I mean, realistically, you need a bank to you
need someone to bank you to function in today's society.

Speaker 11 (01:18:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Yeah, it's almost like it feels like it's bordering on
some sort of a right, Isn't it like a have
a right to housing, a right to food, a right
to shelter, a right to a bank account.

Speaker 25 (01:18:32):
Yeah, well that's the thing. And you know, for these
people in Gloriavale, they're vulnerable. And if Gloria Vale doesn't
have access to a bank, you know, that affects vulnerable
people in the community. But at the same time, banks
are businesses and they have to comply with pretty strict
rules around money laundering for example, like we talked about

(01:18:53):
before with kiwibank, and also rules around like sanctions and
various environmental and social commitments and so on. And I
mean Gloria Vale's track record is terrible. There are court
cases going through you know, in terms of labor rights
and sexual abuse and all sorts of things. They don't
have a clean track record, to say the very least.

(01:19:16):
So you know, I think this is a really interesting case.
It'll be in the Court of Appeal tomorrow and then
I suppose we'll have to wait wait a while for
the judgment to come out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Here too, right, Hey, you know, thanks very much, really
looking forward to seeing what they've got to say. It's
gen to trainee. The heralds Wellington Business Editor six twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Two whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
It's all on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen
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Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Z doesn't want to bank Gloria Vale, who's banking the gangs?
Are the gangs? Is anybody banking the gangs? I suppose
I have to get the welfare check somewhere, don't they
because undoubtedly the welfare while also doing the drug deals
on the side.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Lolls.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I don't know. I do this very good question. I mean,
I I guess if you know anything about buying a
tinney generally done with cash, isn't it It's not really
a transaction through the old bank accounts six twenty five
with me now? Is Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management. Hey, Jeremy, Evening, Heather.
We'll talk a little bit about Spark. Haven't that a
bad run that's been going on for a little while
and it's just continued today, hasn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:20:20):
Another earnings and also the dividend downgrade today and this
was only two months after its previous financial result and
it's already downgraded as guidance for the FY twenty five year,
so it's preferred earnings metric ebitde by four percent at
the midpoint and disappointingly just follows, as you said, a
series of downgrades already this calendar year, and these earnings

(01:20:44):
downgrades have been the main contributor to the stock being
one of the worst performers on the Interdex this year.
So very unusual for a normally defensive blue tap telecoms
company like Spark.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Yeah, I mean, if you look at what's happened that
the share price is down well over forty percent, you
know so far this see, so this is basically just
to run of the same kind of news, isn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:21:03):
Yeah, a little bit. Parts of the updates were similar,
but there was also some new news as well. It
did highlight the continued slower mobile division growth, and this
is mainly competition from one New Zealand and two degrees
impacting and effectively corporates and government entities are still looking
to rationalize their spend, especially in mobile and IT services,

(01:21:24):
looking for some more value options. And then in the
new news, Spark cut its ever important dividends as well
by ten percent. This was down to twenty five cents
for next year expected. So the dividend has traditionally been
the most important value diver for Spark, so meaningful cut there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
So what's the concern that's led them to the dividend cut?

Speaker 26 (01:21:46):
Yeah, the biggest issue that the market has had is
over the sustainability of the dividend, and this is due
to the competing demands on its cash flows. So Spark
has been investing a lot in building new data centers,
which are pretty expensive. The operating performance has been struggling
as mentioned before, and it wants to maintain its investment
grade credit rating, so and other words, have low debt levels,

(01:22:09):
so it's balancing a lot of demands. It did cut
back its capital expensure guidance, but looking at it really
simply from here at three cash flow guide as a
midpoint of four hundred and twenty million. But the dividend
at twenty five cents, even at the reduced level, is
still costing four hundred and sixty million, so in theory,
it's still borling to pay this dividend.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Very interesting, Okay. The interesting things that the share price
didn't move very much today was that the market potentially
buying the last downgrade.

Speaker 26 (01:22:37):
Yeah, certainly could have been, especially given how much the
share price has fallen. Parts of this was expected, but
it's probably more in relation to some other news. It's
looking to sell some of its non core assets, like
the remainder of its tower coves Peak, and it's trying
to find a capital partner to help fund its data centers,
and both of these will relieve some of the pressure

(01:23:00):
on the balance sheet and cash flow. There is a
very large value case starting to emerge, even on the
lower dividend. The cash yield is over eight percent per year,
and this lines up favorably versus other global telecoms pairs,
other interex dividend stocks, and also favorably against term deposits,

(01:23:20):
especially in a falling into trade environment. So some value
emerging here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Interesting. Jeremy, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Jeremy Hutton
Milford Asset Management. Actually text on the Nazi thing that
Paul Spoonley was talking about. I'm going to get you
across that shortly. And also Travis Scott, if you're still
wanting to go, I've got a deal for you on tickets,
hang on headlines.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
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Speaker 7 (01:24:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Please, getting Grays with us in ten minutes time. Okay,
here's the deal on Travis Scott. I'm not actually the seller.
I'm just telling you you can get a deal. If
you're like Wednesday, thirtieth of October, what am I going
to do with my evening?

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Have I got a deal for You can go to
Travis Scott at Eden Park for as little as thirty
bucks tonight. This is because Ticketmaster, everybody's favorite ticket outlet.
Don't we love Ticketmaster? Ye old dynamic pricing ticket mastery
old Oasis tickets through the roof ticket Master. That Ticketmaster, Well,
they've dropped a bunch of a bunch of ticket prices

(01:24:49):
because people didn't want to go as badly as they thought.
So general admission tickets were originally priced between two hundred
and two hundred and fifty dollars. They've come down and
priced to one hundred and fifty dollars. Some tickets that
were like reserve seating tickets three hundred and thirty dollars.
One punter said he paid that much for it. They
are now as low as one hundred and forty dollars.

(01:25:09):
And yeah, if you if you're prepared to go into
an obstructed view ticket thirty bucks or fifty bucks for
standard seats. So what are you doing with your life?
What have you got any excuse not to go?

Speaker 7 (01:25:21):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Yea, I'll talk about the Nazi and just attack eight
twenty two away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Heather do see Allen Now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
New Zealand's fastest growing region has weighed in on the
government's building reform. The Selwyn District Council says any news
of speeding up consents is obviously welcomed, and Selwyn District
Council's Head of Building is Vanessa Mitchell. Have Vanessa, Hi,
how are you? I'm very well, thank you. So what
is it that you like about this?

Speaker 27 (01:25:43):
What I like about it is the Minister is really
engaging with the sector and looking at what can be
done to address the pain points. And you guys place sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
You're feeling the pain points, aren't you.

Speaker 27 (01:25:56):
We are feeling the pain points. Where As the fastest
growing districts, we've been under enormous pressure over the past
few years and we really see advantages and some of
the self certification proposals that have come out. There are
key parts of the industry that quite rightly should be
able to self certify their own work, and that would

(01:26:18):
actually free our inspectors up to focus on our areas
and around more inspections.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Yeah, are you're given that you are the fastest grug region?
Are your inspectors snowed under at the moment?

Speaker 27 (01:26:31):
Actually, at the moment they're not. We've had quite a
quiet period, so at the moment, whilst sometimes they do
have to sorry, people do have to wait two to
three days for an inspection, we're not snowed under.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Is that that's because of the recession?

Speaker 7 (01:26:45):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Probably nobody snowed under at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 27 (01:26:50):
Yeah, it's been a really quiet period. We are expecting though,
at the end of this year that it will pick
up and preparing for things to take off again next year.
Is the softening interest rates, etc.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Yeah? So good to have them basically doing it themselves.
But are you worried at all about the fact that
the liability falls off? Like this idea that they take
on the liability themselves and bump it up to their
insurance companies. Does that worry you or are you just
relieved that you guys aren't the ones who are liable.

Speaker 8 (01:27:20):
No.

Speaker 27 (01:27:21):
I think if they hold liable for their work, they'll
actually take more care in carrying out their functions. So
I think it's a real positive and I think to
support that, it's really going to be heavily reliant on
the industry bodies to play their part in developing guidelines
for their members, monitoring their performance and ensuring they've got

(01:27:41):
those disciplinary processes in place as well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
I guess the reason that you because it's commonly said
that inspectors are extremely conservative council inspectors, and that would
be because you guys are not personally, but you guys
are liable, aren't you as the counsel if something goes wrong?
Therefore they have to be conservative.

Speaker 27 (01:28:00):
Yes, yeah, it's fair to say they risk at first
for the fact that joined the several liability settings mean
that typically we're the last men standing. Was the deepest bocket?

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
Okay, so all in all a good thing?

Speaker 27 (01:28:12):
Yeah, yes, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Vanessa, thanks very much, appreciate it is Vanessa Mitchell, Selwyn
District Council, Head of Building. Okay, So Paul Spoonley was
talking about the fact that we had all these war
criminals come to New Zealand, we just ignored them and
did nothing about them. Somebody's just sent the text through
WAFF and SS officer Willie Hooper. Now he's probably, I
would say, probably the most famous of them, isn't he?
Because North and South did a yarn on him, a

(01:28:36):
front page story. I feel like it was a cover
story last year, maybe the year before, and with the
title the Nazi who built Mount Hut. He was one
of I think about three guys who were really instrumental
in building the Mount Hut. And he actually admitted, I
think in a TV and Z documentary that he'd volunteered

(01:28:56):
for the WAFF andes SS and had eventually wrote risen
to the rank of captain. And I feel like everybody
knew at the time that he was a Nazi, but
nobody really cared anyway. There we go, most famous of
the lot of them. Eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Here, the lovely chep Willie Huber and the Ferrari over
his history was way over the top. I suppose it's
probably why nobody did anything about it, because that would
have been the prevailing sentiment. Sixteen away from seven. Gavin Gray,
our UK correspondents with US ay, Gavin good evening. He
happy budget day? Are you looking forward to it?

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (01:29:41):
I'm not so sure. It's seemed so widely trayed.

Speaker 28 (01:29:44):
And you know, in the past, nobody would say anything
about the budget until it was delivered to Parliament. This
one seens so many leaks, I'm not sure anything new
will be coming up. Indeed, the Chancellor, the first ever
female Chancellor and the first labor Chancellor for fourteen years,
Rachie Reeves, was ticked off by the Leader of the
Commons for talking to journalists in America about her budget,

(01:30:07):
saying it was a supreme discourtesy to the House and
she was very very disappointed.

Speaker 11 (01:30:12):
Well what do we expect?

Speaker 28 (01:30:13):
I think we expect tax rises now all along people
have been told this will not affect working people was
what the government was saying. But these tax rises are
going to perfect somebody. So who and who is not
a working person is the question, and that has yet
really to be answered succinctly by anyone in the Labor Party.

Speaker 11 (01:30:34):
I think we're going to see an increase in inheritance tax.

Speaker 28 (01:30:37):
That's the tax on amounts left when somebody dies and
left to their loved ones.

Speaker 11 (01:30:43):
I think a capital gains tax.

Speaker 28 (01:30:44):
Capital gains is when you make an investment, or sell
a share, sell a second home, that sort of thing.
I think that tax is going to increase, and I
think we may see thresholds at which taxes paid kept
the same. And of course, because prices and inflation is
going up, that effectively is a tax increase. But all
of these are we don't know, they haven't been confirmed.

(01:31:07):
What we do know is the national minimum wage is
to go up, and that is putting a lot of
pressure on small businesses who say that they are already
really struggling to make ends meet.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
And so what exactly where is this money going to
be primarily directed.

Speaker 28 (01:31:24):
Supposedly into a forty four billion pound black hole in
the country's finances. Now, the previous government says that is
just nonsense. We didn't leave a black hole like that,
So this is just an excuse for the Labor Party
to come up with these things in order to hit
the rich or people that it deems to be rich

(01:31:44):
to hit people it.

Speaker 11 (01:31:45):
Deems not to be working class. And as I said,
try and define that.

Speaker 28 (01:31:51):
And therefore lots of people I think, pretty fed up
at the idea that they're going to be hammered for
working hard, having savings, paying into a pension and now
my get hammered again by a new party.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Hey, what are we expecting from this teenager that the
one who was accused of murdering the three girls appearing
in court today.

Speaker 11 (01:32:08):
Yeah, this is going to be very significant.

Speaker 28 (01:32:10):
So you're remember back in July, three young girls were
killed at a Taylor Swift dance themed party in the
northwest of England. In Southward the end of July, the
eighteen year old who's accused of murdering those three girls
was due in court and now is going to be
in court today charged with two more offenses, one of

(01:32:32):
them about the fact that he was allegedly at manufacturing
ricin a biological toxin and very poisonous, and also that
he had or had in possession of an Islamic state
sort of a booklet on how to commit atrocities. Those
are the new crimes that he faces, and plenty of

(01:32:54):
people saying, well, hang on a minute, this happened in July,
the murder. You searched his property in July. We find
out right at the end of October now that actually
this is being looked at potentially as a terrorism incident.
They've come back and said no, no, no, it's not
terrorism because we don't know is motive. Well, as you
can imagine, there are some in the former party government

(01:33:15):
who are saying, hang on a minute, there are serious
questions here. Has this government deliberately concealed this terrorism link,
because of course we did have several weeks of rioting
after these murders took place, with people so concerned about
migration in this country.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Gevin, do we have any idea this console that was
used to record Abbey Road, any idea how much is
this going to go for at auction today?

Speaker 11 (01:33:39):
Well, it's a very good question.

Speaker 28 (01:33:40):
It's a one off, that's for sure, and that makes
it rather difficult to actually put a price on. But
this was a console that was used by the Beatles
to record Abby Road, that wonderful album of Theirs, which
of course has been in and out of the charts
for decades and the consult was given or donated to

(01:34:02):
a school, but the school then threw it out and
it was only rescued from a skip by an absolute
well I don't want to be harsh, but a techno
file who absolutely loves these things. The project was started
for it to be referbed to make it work again
and indeed, using expertise around the UK it is. As

(01:34:23):
for the price, well it's got to be several or
several thousand pounds, but it's a very one off thing
to try and put a pricer.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Very interesting stuff, Kevin, thank you really appreciate it. Gavin
Gray are UK correspondent. Interesting defense in our court speaking
of courts, interesting defense in our court. Was it today?
I think it was today. It's about look, if it's
not today, it was yesterday. It was in the last
couple of days. About why somebody has committed a crime
and why rugby is the excuse for it. So this

(01:34:51):
is the case of a former Maori All Blacks player,
Matterwa Patkinson, who bought guns and then on sold these guns,
brought them from guns to the and then on sold
them to an alleged associate of the common Cero's who
he already knew, and then he pretended to cover his
tracks a few months later that the guns it all
been nicked from his house. Because he had a gun license,
he had a gun safe, so he had to explain

(01:35:13):
where the guns were. So he pretended that they'd been
nicked and he'd faked a burglary and got paid out
for it by the insurance company. But then he got
busted because what he'd said that was that how they
had nicked the guns. They had nicked the guns was
that the gun safe, which was bolted to the floor,
had simply been ripped out of the house. But then
when ESR looked at the new gun safe that he'd

(01:35:34):
bought to replace that gun safe, they realized, Man, it's
actually still the old gun safe, and there's no indication
it had been ripped out of the floor at all anyway.
So he's been paying for it today and sentenced today.
His lawyer argued that he wasn't making any any good
decisions around them. Clearly he wasn't making good decisions, but
the reason he wasn't making good decisions was because he
had played more than seven hundred games of rugby and

(01:35:56):
quote he's taken quite a few knocks to the head
over the years, and this is clearly not a person
who was thinking about what he's doing. So that's a
good one for you if if like that. Literally most
men and a lot of women in this country probably
taking a fair few knocks to the head the old
rugby games, and if you've done enough of those, you
could probably excuse them of bad behavior. Sentence today discounts

(01:36:18):
for remorse, amend's previous good character guilty plea, and background
factors which I assume must be the head knocks, and
so he received an end sentence of nine months on home.

Speaker 14 (01:36:27):
D Here you go.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Good one to have up your sleep if you end
up and caught nine away from seven.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Whether it's macro, MicroB or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Talksp Heather, just one more give it a whirl excuse
from a defense lawyer to stop his client going to jail.
Blah blah blah. Yeah, it does feel like I give
it a will one anyway, give it a will yourself
if you want to. I find this fascinating. Okay, So Terradar,
you know Terradar, the old comedian with you know, the
sideburns and the ginger hair and the glasses and stuff.
Terda has got a new live show that he's doing

(01:37:04):
where he basically has dug out all these old cookbooks
from yester year in New Zealand and he's going through
them and talking at in this live show about all
the weird recipes that we used to cook. And it's
cookbooks from people you'll know like Graham Kerr. And if
you don't know who Graham Kerr was, he was one
of the first real celebrity chefs in this country, made
a big in the fifties and sixties. Allison holst Aunt,

(01:37:25):
Daisy Hudson and Hall's and those guys. Some of the recipes, like,
I mean, some of the recipes are pretty wild. There
was a beer and cucumber soup for summer, Like that's
how much we loved our booze. We still do. I
suppose you couldn't even have a cucumber without having some
beer in it. Terrence Cooper had come up with a
wine soup which was a full liter of dry white wine.

(01:37:49):
That's a lot of wine and a soup a hint
of cinnamon and then a lot of sherry. So it's
basically just boos pretending to be a soup. Allison Holdst
apparently thought Fried Brad with the perfect food for children,
and probably they were, but you'd have to get the
child to eat it in the first place. And I
don't know if you've tried with a carrot, like that's
hard enough, never mind a brain. There was the cold

(01:38:10):
Sour Kiwi Fruit soup from Jan built In's New Zealand
Kiwi Fruit Cookbook, which literally sounds like a cookbook where
Jan Bilton just comes up with one thousand different recipes
for how you can eat kiwi fruit, just trying the
hardest to get you to eat the kiwi fruit. The
cold sour Kiwi fruit soup you would need I don't
know how much you're gonna spend on kiwi fruit, because
you need basically five hundred grams of kiwi fruit and

(01:38:32):
it's got water and sugar and cloves and arrowroot and
cold water. Yeah, more cold like cold water and normal water.
Apparently that matters. Kiwi fruit, the zest and the juice
of a large lemon and sour cream's pretty simple. You
can probably make it yourself. Here's and also, the advice
back in the day was that you should boil your
vegetables for forty five minutes. Forty five minutes, what even

(01:38:57):
is left at the end of it, other than like
a fibrous h all the good stuff has gone, explains
Odd explains a lot. Forty five minutes. Anyway, Terradar, now
an expert on what we've eaten and back in the day, says,
Unfortunately for us, food trends are not getting more weird.
They're getting more basic. But at least food is getting
more varied. And I suppose that's true, isn't it. Ants.

Speaker 16 (01:39:18):
Yeah, I'm tempting to try the best suit. To be fair,
I'm not going to play some Travis Scott because there
is no song that Travis Scott has in his repertoire
that is safe for us to broadcast, right the oh,
the BSA. So instead we'll go with the Spice Girls.
Who do you think you Are? Because we've we've had
some goss from Melby Scary Spice. She says she's been
kicked out of these Spice Girls WhatsApp group. Apparently she's

(01:39:39):
just annoying them. Too much because she's always telling them
that they should tour again, and they throw her out
because of that. So unfortunately bad news if you want
to see a tour. It looks like if they're going
to throw Scary out of the group chat for even suggesting.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
But she would be like one hundred percent if you
had a friend in a group who just was like
doing the same thing over and origgain, you get them out,
wouldn't you. Yeah, guys, can we do her region?

Speaker 21 (01:39:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Yeah, you'd be you'd be like, did you watch that
new show on Netflix? No, because I was busy planning
our reunion.

Speaker 9 (01:40:05):
You block, Yeah, that's her if you're.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Rid of a yeah, thanks for that answer. But what
this means by not laying Travis Scott as I still
have literally listened to know Trevor Scott before going to
Travis Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
So there is that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Enjoy your evening, you know, if you're around Mount Eden,
you know Helen Kirkaha, because it's going to be noisy tonight.
See you later.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
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