Full Show Podcast: 31 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,
get the answers by the facts, and give the analysis.
Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get
connected and you talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We've
just got the first official report into why the Artitetda
ran aground. You remember that we're going to speak to
the Enter Islander Boss after five. Sharon Zolner, a and
Z's chief economist on white business confidences up again and
Ordefeno was mayor on whether they're going to actually start
mowing the burms and live in again.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Heather Duplicy Ellen, Look, I'm.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Not altogether surprised that Mike King's comments on the show
yesterday have sparked a debate. And the reason I'm not
surprised is because what he said, some of what he
said at least, is factually wrong.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Alcohol is not a problem for people with mental health issues.
It's actually the solution to our problem.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Remember we are specifically talking about suicide here, and for
people with suicide suicidal ideation, alcohol is actually a problem
because what it does is at low as inhibitions when
you're drunk, your own inhibitions are a little bit lower, right,
so people are more likely to act on their feelings.
It is also a depressant. Drink enough low as your mood.
If you're already unhappy, it's going to make you more unhappy.

(01:17):
But then some of what he said to be fair
to him is also his own lived experience and trying
to cope with his mental health issues.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
I'm a drug addict and alcoholic in my whole life.
I use drugs and alcohol to stop that little voice
inside my head that told me that I wasn't good enough,
that I was useless.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Now you can't argue with that as much, can you,
Because that's his experience, from his perspective of living through that,
and there is actually evidence that alcohol does provide a
mental escape, certainly in the moment. What I am a
little bit surprised by is the strength of the reaction
to Mike King today. I mean, I was absolutely expecting
the anti alcohol people to get wound up what they
often do, but I was not really expecting that the

(01:58):
Labour Party would go quite as far as they have.
They have today called for government funding of gun Boot
Friday to be reconsidered. Now, just consider what that means. Right,
they are asking the government to stop helping people deal
with their mental health issues because of what Mike King said.
Is that reasonable? I mean, let's be clear what's going
on here. This is political. There was a time when

(02:19):
everybody loved Mike King. Everybody thought he was a good
guy doing good work for mental health. But then he
became a political figure, didn't he Because he took on
Jacinda Ardurn when she was Prime Minister. He had a
public scrap with her because her government pulled funding for
his charity, handed back his Order of Merit metal. The
NATS then adopted him. They funded his charity once they
got into government in a way that the Orders to

(02:40):
General is not totally happy with. And now people are
split on whether they love Mike King or not, and
probably in some cases that split will indicate pretty much
how they vote.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I'm not saying Mike King is above criticism. I'm not
saying Mike King's above scrutiny all that this isn't a
debate worth having about what he said. I'm just saying
bear in mind and that when we do have this
debate about what he's just said, This isn't just about
mental health, This isn't just about alcohol. This is also
very much now about politics.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Ever do for Clan nine nineteer is.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
The text numbers standard text fees apply now to another subject,
Consumer New Zealand. Once the government's inquiry into E New
Zealand's prices, they say E New Zealand has a virtual
monopoly domestically, so they want the Commerce Commission to do
a market study and consumer in z CEO's John Duffy, Hey, John.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Hey here they have the guard good, thank you.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Now, what do you reckon? A market study is going
to find?

Speaker 5 (03:34):
Well, it would bring some transparency into pricing in the
New Zealand aviation market. So at the moment we've got
a whole lot of confusion, a whole lot of really
high prices and a whole lot of annoyed consumers and
we need to get to the bottom of what's driving
prices in this market.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, now, transparency is cool, but that doesn't sound like
it's actually going to fix anything or change anything for
me or you, is it.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah, it's the start, it's the start of change. So
it's very easy to point your finger at you know,
one or two potential causes for high prices. But until
you've done a comprehensive study and you can say, actually,
this is what the market dynamics look like, it's it's
very difficult to say these are the things that we
can do to fix the problems in the market. And

(04:18):
you know in previous market studies, you know that that
has been the you know, the problem that people have
raised the market studies happened that say supermarkets or banks
or fuel and the market doesn't change immediately the commiscrisis
pint and report lands, but it allows for a reason
to evidence based debate on what the next best options are,
and then you can hand it back to the government

(04:39):
and say, all right, you know what you could do
to fix things. It's up to you whether you do
it or not.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
So what do we do if we find out that
they're making too much money off us?

Speaker 5 (04:50):
That's that's a good question. We look at perhaps what
the barriers too this is in the market are facing
so that they can expand their operation and use natural
competitive tension to lower prices an increased service. So when
we say we need an inquiry into the aviation market,
we're not just saying this is a this is a
look at air New Zealand. Although in New Zealand are

(05:10):
a very dominant force in the domestic aviation market, we're
saying we need to have a look at the whole
shooting match. So the role airports play, the role, small
airlines play the role a border transport infrastructure players. Because
you know, if you could, if you can get in
the car reasonably as an alternative for flying, that's actually
a competition. If you my coach, those are that influence

(05:35):
your decision whether or not to buy an airline price
and influence how those airlines set their prices to compete
with other modes of transportation.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
So how many routes are there where a New Zealand
has got no other competition in the air.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Look, I don't have that in front of me, but
it as more than half of the roots of New Zealand.
There are New Zealand in New Zealand has a virtual
monopoly or there is or there is only offering limited
feat in competition.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
So would you count, for example, like Wellington depict in
as a virtual monopoly because there's just a very small
player up against in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
I'm not even sure if any zerom flies and depict
in but I know sounds.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
Maybe not route.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
But let's say Blenham. Let's say Wellington Blenham.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Yep, Wellington Blenham or Wellington Nelson. There is there's there's
one other player, as I understand it, with limited capacity
flying those routes.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Virtual monopoly then certainly a high market share.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
But then if you look at I don't know Wellington
gibsmon for example, I don't think there's anyone else. If
any Zealand is not flying that day, that's a problem
if you live in Gisbon and need to get home.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
John, how much money would be too much money that
they'd be making off us?

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Well, well, that's a big question. Is so we we
discovered that a million dollars a day in excess profits
was too much for for supermarkets to be making. You know,
the New Zealand public is very very uncomfortable with that.
The complicating factor here is that, you know, there's a
bit of a merry go round of money here because
the government is a majority shareholder in New Zealand. So

(07:13):
if in New Zealand are making profits above what they
should be in a normally competitive market, some of those
profits are going back to the government as the majority shareholder.
Whether those are know whether that's appropriate or not, that's
another question, and probably more of a political question than
one a competition inquiry would answer.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
John, Thanks very much, John Duffy, consuming New Zealand CEO.
Hey to the States really quickly. The Economist has changed
its prediction for the American election next week. You remember
last week I was tell last week, I was telling
that the Economist was calling it for Donald Trump. This
week as in like from today, they are now saying
too close to call fifty to fifty. They can't call
it anymore. They are going to update it. This is

(07:52):
going to be a changing thing for them. They will update.
They basically do an aggregate of the available polls and
they will update it, by the looks of things, every
day until we get to the election. Anyway, the reason
it's now fifty to fifty is because of the new
poles that have come out just in the last twenty
four hours. There were sixty five which moved the dial
in Carmela's favor. The most influential polls were in four
states Michigan, North Carolina, with Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, and in

(08:16):
those states, get this this is how close things are.
Her vote share rose by an average of zero point
four percentage points. Right, it's not even one, it's not
even half of one. It's zero point four. It's tiny,
but it was enough to take her from a forty
four percent chance of winning to a fifty percent chance
of winning. So it is tacked lack a tiger called

(08:37):
a past.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper c
Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leaf for business,
US dogs at b Sport with tab get your bed
on R eighteen bet responsibly.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Darcy Watgrave, sports talk host, busy watching the Dodgers.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
I know I'm not the massive baseball fan, but this
is so good because coast West Coast, it's coming up
to the crunch and it looks like at Yankee Stadium
the Dodgers might just get it done.

Speaker 8 (09:07):
It's the bottom of the eighth. They're up seven six
over at New York.

Speaker 7 (09:11):
So you're just in there now ozh and two right
now for the first bat up, So can they pull
it equal and then take it to the next innings
that we will seek And it's just this is good
right to the crunch because La the Dodgers were getting
absolutely fried and then they pulled out.

Speaker 9 (09:28):
I think it was in the fifth five home runs.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Like what, none of what you said I understand. I
understand none of them. I don't know what any of
the stuff means. It's the only reason that you're talking
about the Dodgers because Matt Heath has been talking about
it for three days?

Speaker 8 (09:43):
No, No, because it's been on in the sports department
for the last week.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Is that also because Matt Heath has been talking about him?

Speaker 10 (09:48):
No notice?

Speaker 7 (09:48):
Because we work in the sports department. It's live international
sports on so he put on. I don't care, but
as soon as I buy into it, I'm excited by it.
I used to watch baseball back in the day when
I was a lot younger, when jose Consakas was there,
and he used to take an order amount of drugs
in order to hit the ball the distance he did.
It was a freak show. It was like a michelin
man with a toothpick. But I went and saw a

(10:10):
game of ball when I was over in San Francisco,
and it was an incredible experience. Americans can do live sport.

Speaker 10 (10:18):
It was stunning.

Speaker 8 (10:19):
So I had used the replay TVs that the people
turning up with with food and the.

Speaker 9 (10:28):
Way to go.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
I had a different experience to you. But Matt Heath
told me it may be because I bought cheap tickets.
But I said to him, I couldn't get into it
when I was in New York because I couldn't see
the ball because it's just so fast, right, And it's
not like cricket where there's like a good run up
and then the bowling action and stuff like, it's just
a dude standing there throwing the ball and it's so
fast you just you can't see it.

Speaker 8 (10:50):
With hockey is like that, it's really hard to see
the pack. But when you go live to a game
because it's go was too far away where the replay screen.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
In San Francisco is so big it'd be three or
four times as big as Eden Park itself.

Speaker 8 (11:06):
You can't miss anything.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
Everything see for you to watch a little men down
the action because we've got cheap seats up the top,
but then your seat.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
You got to watch the screen.

Speaker 8 (11:13):
Oh the screen.

Speaker 7 (11:14):
It was really really but the beer was phenomenally expensive.
I got a can of beer. It costs nearly twenty
New Zealand.

Speaker 8 (11:23):
It was good beer, though I might.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Oh come off first, it's in the States. It's not good, No,
it was.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
It was a craft beer out of San Francisco. I
was sitting around about six point eight percent. It was
an IPA double ip A.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Well you only need one of those, don't you for
six point my age to feel a little physico?

Speaker 7 (11:42):
Don't you need to go to the bathroom anyway, I'm going.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
To name the squad today. Do you need to talk
to me about being would you like.

Speaker 9 (11:48):
To make a bit?

Speaker 7 (11:49):
Well, we've got to be over eighteen r eighteen bet responsibly.
But this weekend there's a big fixture coming up because
wellingson taking on Awkland.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
It's the first derby in the A League. Oh wow,
a New Zealand derby in the you know who's going
to win? They never read about it.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I'll come off when if you think you know who?

Speaker 8 (12:06):
Do you think auld okay Auckland are paying two dollars seventy.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
And Wellington to forty five.

Speaker 8 (12:12):
They're a warmer what they are at home?

Speaker 7 (12:15):
The draws three forty five. That might be the way
to go with that, but it might be worth a
whik table two from Town and Wellington a second of
the table. They're both locked at the very top of
the table. The only thing about Warnington is that Wellington
have just come back from Perth, so they might have
heavy legs after climbing on the plane all the way back.

(12:37):
Whereas all Auckland have got to do is get on
a plane and fly down to Wellington. I don't know
what the weather's like down there. There's a good chance
they might be terrified by the time they get off
the pain one. No, no, not that I'm talking about
the cross winds at the airport. They might just go ah,
I'd rather fly.

Speaker 11 (12:53):
To Perth and.

Speaker 9 (12:56):
So we'll see that.

Speaker 8 (12:57):
That should be a big one again.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
You know, I reckon that's been off that you think
those numbers are off?

Speaker 9 (13:01):
Are they good?

Speaker 8 (13:02):
We can run with three five, that's a go the
draw win.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Thank you, Darcy, Thank you very much. Das is going
to be back this evening seven o'clock for Sports Talk
four twenty three.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
It's Heather duper c Allen Drive with one New Zealand
Let's get connected and us talks.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
That'd be twenty five passed full listen we got the
first official report into why the Artiteta beached itself on
the Sandy Beach back in June. This has come from
the AX, the Transport Accident Investigation Commission. We're just going
to call them, what should we call them, tai C
or title take, I don't know anyway. One of those
three things is what's going to come out of my mouth.
And you know who I'm talking about now. It confirms

(13:41):
to be fair a lot of the stuff you already know,
thanks to whoever eleaked it, and thank you to whoever
eleked it, because it was basically bang on. We already
knew that the autopilot was the problem, that somebody put
it on at the wrong time, and we also knew
that the crew couldn't get rid of it because they
didn't realize they had to pres it for five seconds.
But there is a lot of other stuff in here,

(14:02):
and a lot of questions that are unanswered, because this
is just their first official report, not the final report.
What we didn't know was that in charge that night
was a night master, but he wasn't piloting the ship.
Somebody else was piloting the ship. It was It was
an experienced master who hadn't been on the utter seady
for a while, so he needed to refamiliarize himself. So

(14:22):
the night Master was supposed to be watching the sky
piloting the ship ship as he got basically back to
understanding how the auto seeddy worked. What we also found
out is that he, the chap who was refamiliarizing himself,
hit the autopilot too late. It was like more than
thirty seconds too late, and that's basically what calls the kafuffle.
The Nightmaster doesn't appear to have been paying attention to

(14:44):
the chap who was piloting the ship. He was off
doing something else. He was familiarizing another master with the
vessel's controls, so the chap he was actually in charge
was distracted while old my over here, who's learning how
to do this again, presses the autopilot too late. Then
what happens? Oh, then he notices, of course headed for
the beach. Major problems. So then they try to He
and the helmsman and the officer of the watch each

(15:05):
take turns trying to press the autopilot disabled button, and
they can't get the thing to disabled because they don't realize.
After prison for five seconds, none of them know this fact.
We don't know why they don't know this fact. That
hasn't been answered. First question unanswered, Second question unanswered. Still
don't know whether somebody left to go and get a
coffee anyway, because that hasn't been answered. Fortunately enough, though,

(15:28):
we have the boss of the end of Ryland who's
going to be with us after five o'clock, so we
can just, you know, try to answer those questions.

Speaker 12 (15:35):
Here's another answered question. Ever, is a Nightmaster the coolest
job title ever?

Speaker 13 (15:39):
Or what?

Speaker 10 (15:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
What it sounds like? A yeah, John Snow, doesn't it
maybe a bit? Is that not what you thought immediately?
Did you not think Game of Thrones?

Speaker 14 (15:48):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (15:48):
Like superheroes and stuff?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I was thinking, oh yeah, okay, you went superhero I
went hard out John snowgap. That is like, if that
guy isn't looking like with that hair and that cloak
on the outer's head, I'm going to be dis pointed.
Murray olds with us shortly and the headline's next.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
The All Blacks are looking to end the year on
a high as they attempt to dominate the Northern Hemisphere.

Speaker 15 (16:09):
What test match we have seen?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
First half? It's England at the home of Rugby twicket It.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Listen to News Talk did B from four am Sunday
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Sunday morning from four with four Bloop Solutions on iHeart
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Speaker 3 (16:35):
Your first take on the news. It's early edition with
Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Gang members infuriates me, makes me so angry, and I
don't think harsher sentences are going to stop them.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
I don't think the gang patch ban is going to
stop them.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
I don't think that wrap around services are going to
stop them either.

Speaker 10 (16:52):
But what's going to fix it?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Labor government and national government?

Speaker 10 (16:54):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
I don't think they're listening. Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
New for twenty twenty four on Early Edition with City
Weekdays from five am on Newstalks at B, Big Stories,
Big Opinion.

Speaker 16 (17:08):
When did parents stop wanting more for their kids? People
age sixteen to twenty four who are on a main
benefit can expect to stay there for twenty point four years.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
What a miserable existence for so many young people.

Speaker 12 (17:21):
Pretty scary on public transport, particularly in Auckland. Do we
have a responsibility to intervene more when we see these things.

Speaker 17 (17:26):
Yeah, I mean, I'd like to think I was the
kind of person that would intervene, but I'm not sure
it's easy to say that.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
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Speaker 18 (17:41):
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engineer Brian Leyland questions the direction of the industry and
Australia is talking nuclear power, shouldn't we? And from London,
Christian Smith on the Flights of the Young from Britain
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Speaker 14 (18:15):
You know, by the way, we're going to have to
talk about that Travis Scott consonant at Eden Park last night,
because that's become a bit of a.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Thing, isn't it. We'll definitely get across that. Murray Olds
is standing by to have a chat to us and
Barry Soap is going to be at us in ten
minutes time. Hey yeah, so Mike King interesting divided opinion
on him, Heather, I can't believe the blow up that
has happened over your interview with Mike King. The way
I heard what he said was different to the way
that half these people have jumped on him. He was
giving his experience and I agree entirely with what he said,

(18:55):
and by the way, in my view, he is still
a great guy doing great work. Those lefties are just
annoyed that he called out Jacinda Hither. I like Mike,
but his comments, yes that they were harmful and irresponsible.
As a celebrity and as an advocate, he has a
duty to rise above and promote a healthy narrative for
vulnerable people. Labour's response is equally irresponsible. We need to
support our vulnerable and reduce mental and physical harm caused
by alcohol. Alcohol is a short term reliever, but a

(19:17):
long term cause of huge societal harms. So let's look
at the bigger picture. In New Zealand. We've actually asked
Lady to come on and have a chat to us
about why they want to pull the funding and whether
they really do want to pull the funding for gun
boot Friday? You got them, Laura. We're still standing by
to fight. What's their problem? They can't get a hold
of Ingrid? Is it Ingrid Lary? Is Ingrid Leary the
person who has to come and talk about this?

Speaker 6 (19:39):
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Get Ginny? Just get Ginny to send a tweet to Ingrid?
And because I feel like Ingrid's quite hot on the
socials as well, and if Ginny sends a tweet, they'll
figure it out between themselves. Come on, Ingrid, you know
you come and talk to us about it. We have
a little chat about that. Twenty one away from five.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
It's the world wires on news Talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Former speech rider for Barack Obama says Joe Biden's garbage
com means of creating a problem for Kamala Harris's campaign.
Donald Trump is clearly having a lot of fun with it.
He's been parading around in a garbage truck today. David
told the BBC that he agrees with commentators such as
well myself that Biden wasn't actually trying to say that
all Trump supporters a trash.

Speaker 11 (20:17):
Basically, the White House argues and it seems if you
just read what he said, this seems pretty accurate that
he was talking about one person rather than all of
Donald Trump's supporters. Even so, obviously, the Harris campaign was
not hoping that you and I and our panel here
would be discussing Joe Biden today. They were hoping to
be looking at Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
The UK government has announced tax increases of more than
eighty seven billion New Zealand dollars. Capital gains tax and
the National Insurance payroll tax for businesses are both going up.
And here's the Chancellor of Rachel Reeves.

Speaker 19 (20:46):
This government was given a mandate to restore stability to
our economy and to begin a decade of national renewal,
and I.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Know that we can achieve it.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And finally, scientists and Argentina have discovered the oldest fossilized
tadpole ever found. Now, this particular tadpole died and was
preserved one hundred and sixty million years ago. For context,
that's about one hundred million years before even the t
rex has existed. Now, I know what you're thinking, like,
how did you even find a tadpole? The things are tiny,

(21:21):
not this one. This one is the size of about
a tennis ball with an eight centimeter long tail. So
as far as tadpoles go, pretty big.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Murray Old Ozzie correspondents with us now heymus.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Good afternoon, Heather okay?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Has Alba made the situation better or worse? Would you reckon?

Speaker 13 (21:42):
Well? He his office says he's never sought upgrades with
personal phone calls that to the Quada's boss of the day,
Allen Joyce, nor with anyone else in the company, and
the office of Albanezi hopes that's where it's going to land.

Speaker 10 (21:58):
Peter Dutton Grant's down way. He get across the national.

Speaker 13 (22:01):
Newspapers and television urging alban Easy to refer himself to
the National Anti Corruption watched on for goodness sake, the
National Anti Corruption Commission over his relationship with Alan Joyce
and also the decision last year had to block Qatar
Airways form making many more flights to and from Australia.
The opposition is trying to say the cozy relationship that

(22:24):
Albanezi enjoyed with Alan Joyce and Quadas in terms of
getting upgrades that was repaid by blocking a rival carrier
from coming in. I mean any criminal conduct, No, any
breach of ministerial guidelines. Well, not that I can see.
But is it a good look? Of course it's not.
And does it pass the pub test? We said the

(22:44):
other day though it doesn't. But all of a sudden,
you've got people on the opposition over here. Bridget mackenzie
is one of the National's heavyweights. She's having to go back.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
Shit.

Speaker 10 (22:54):
No, I've never had an upgrade all of a sudden
yesterday she has a Yes.

Speaker 13 (22:58):
In fact, I've had many upgrades of But I'm going
to order my flight details.

Speaker 10 (23:02):
We'll good on you.

Speaker 9 (23:05):
They all do it.

Speaker 13 (23:06):
Alban easy Steadfast saying I did nothing wrong, Nona, but
made I don't know where the Mop's going to flop
on this.

Speaker 10 (23:12):
It's just a bad, bad looker.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Answer something for me, muss. Did Elbow get upgrades?

Speaker 10 (23:17):
Apparently?

Speaker 13 (23:18):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Okay, So how did he get upgrades if he didn't
ask anyone in quantus for upgrades? How did that happen?

Speaker 13 (23:24):
Well, you know, he was the shadow Transport Minister, then
he was the Transport Minister, then he wasn't he was
back shadow again after the government lost.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
This is bs This is bs muss because on his
kind of dime, he would absolutely be buying himself a
nice little ticket, right. The only reason you buy yourself
an economy ticket if you were hemmer, is because you
know you're going to get an upgrade.

Speaker 13 (23:45):
Yeah, but we're talking here about you know, not personal flights,
about business, about you know, MP flights.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh right, are they always economy? Are they?

Speaker 10 (23:55):
Well?

Speaker 13 (23:56):
Allegedly, but look, it's it's absolutely opaque. They don't want
the pledgs like me to look aside and see the
perks they're on.

Speaker 9 (24:04):
They never touched it.

Speaker 10 (24:05):
They never touched their wallets for anything.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
The whole thing does It's weird, isn't it weird that
he took so long though to deny that he asked
for any upgrades, Like why did he do that?

Speaker 13 (24:15):
I mean it's look, he is just honestly, he's he's
like he's being diminished every day that he puts his
melon up with another high versvest on making yet more excuses.

Speaker 10 (24:28):
He just looks. It looks terrible.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
It really does. Most Thanks mate, we have to leave
it there. Appreciate it. Murray's Australia correspondent Barry Soapers with
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Speaker 2 (24:42):
Barry Soper SENI your political correspondence with.

Speaker 9 (24:44):
US Now, Hey Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right, So what do you make of the kafuffle around
Mike King's comment?

Speaker 9 (24:49):
Well, look, I heard Mike on with You yesterday and
it did surprise me when he started talking about alcohol.
But what he seemed to be saying, in my view
I had listen back to it is that alcohol delays
or prevents the suicide trigger, and it pacifies the drinker
until other mental health levers can be pulled. That's what

(25:12):
he seemed to be saying. And he had done it himself.
I mean, he's an alcoholic, and you know he was
suicidal at times in his life and alcohol helped him
through those periods. So I know it's not conventional wisdom.
If you look at the University of Otago professor Rose Crossing,
she said, there is certainly a link between alcohol and depression.

(25:36):
I don't think anybody would argue with that, but it's
the trigger for suicide that Mike King was talking about.
And I must say, you know, I know Mike King
reasonably well, and he is outspoken, he sees what he thinks,
and at times probably he does step over the mark.
But for the Labor Party and Ingrid Lary, I'm surprised

(25:57):
she's not coming on because she used to be a broadcaster,
so she's.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
This is what we just got this news through from
from Laura, the producer who just said that the Labor
Party and Ingrid Larry have declined to come on the show.
Did they say, why Laura is she not available?

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Well?

Speaker 9 (26:12):
No, they're so busy in recess here that No.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Ingrid is very busy, don't you know. I don't quite
know what she's busy with, but it's something. But come on, Ingrid,
I mean, how can you put out a press release,
How can you put out a press release, whether you're
right or wrong, calling for funding to be pulled from
an organization that actually does help kids with mental health
issues because you're angry at the guy who's made a
comment and then not so you put that out there

(26:37):
for everybody, But then you don't want to come on
and defend it.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
You know.

Speaker 9 (26:39):
The argument is, she says, can I ever say to
continue to fund gumboot Friday sends a message to young
people that alcohol use is a recognized treatment for mental
health issues. Well, to me, she's got it totally what
he's saying. If she believes that, then she should come

(27:03):
on the progress to explain he she is an ideate.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Clear, she's an idiot because saying stuff like this. So
what we're so the message she's sending younger people is
that absolutely she's going to pull all assistance for them
through this particular charity because she's going to punish the
guy who's running the thing.

Speaker 9 (27:18):
And the point is about the fund. It's twenty four
million dollars and I know he struggled off the Labor
Party and the government to get money. The twenty four
million isn't one lump sum payment. It's over four years,
so six million dollars a year. It doesn't go into
Mike King's account in the Gunboot Friday account. It actually

(27:41):
goes into the Ministry of Health account and then they
after they've used counseling services for the young people, then
they apply.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
To the Ministry of her I'm just going to take
a shue with something that you said. Though while Mike
King did speak about his own personal experience, and I
don't think we can argue with him on that. He
did actually say alcohol is not a problem for people
with mental health, it's the solution. And that is a
factually incorrecttion. Well, I think is proticly just no.

Speaker 9 (28:05):
I heard that he probably overstepped the mark here because,
like you and like me on radio, sometimes Hither he
gets quite excitable.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Fair enough, listen, Jinny Anderson. So she finally fronted up
and apologized for talking about the King's bits. She's sorry
enough for you.

Speaker 9 (28:26):
Well, I find an extraordinary if you look at the
meme that she reposted on her Instagram account, there were
four lines to it, and she said she hadn't taken
time to read it properly or read it for goodness sake.
She's either a very slow reader or she doesn't understand
what it meant. I think that's probably closer to the truth.

(28:48):
But look, it's an embarrassment for her.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Barry, you'd have to be particularly dim not to understand
what that meant. Oh, it was pretty clear what it means.

Speaker 9 (28:57):
Absolutely, and heither, there's a new word in the vocabulary
for you. It's it's a portomanteau. Yes, yes, and that's
sort of a new word for you, Barry. Well, yes, no,
I opened, yeah, yeah, I had to look it up.
But look, what is it about the Labor Party and pents?
You remember back in two thousand and two, poor old

(29:19):
Helen Clark got taken taken to the cleaners, if you like,
for wearing trousers at a state banquet for the Queen.
This is twenty two years ago and all Hall had
broken this. And she also sat down before the Queen
at the State Bank. When I was there, I didn't

(29:39):
notice anything was terribly out of order, but it blew
up in her face that she had disrespected loyalty. Apparently
they are meant to taste the soup first. Well that's
the food taste is no doubt tastes the soup before
it even gets to the table.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
There's a tiny part of me that loves the Labour
Party's of reverence when it comes to the royals. Very appreciated,
very sober senior political correspondent eight away from.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Five putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic
asking breakfasts.

Speaker 20 (30:08):
An alarming, if not shocking figures around our public transport
in Auckland. We now know they are dealing with more
than ninety three incidents a week in terms of security issues.
What's being done about this is the mirror of Auckland.
There's Wayne Brown of course as well.

Speaker 21 (30:19):
As it's probably a reflection of society unfortunately, or in
the Pavie yesterday the shocking numbers of the kids who
aren't going none of them are going angry to be
tradesmen or doctors. That's writing as well. So there is
an issue right across the whole society. Transport is reflecting
it and they want to draw that's about them increasing
their aercentage of people on kitching transport, which is good
that more people are getting on busters and more of

(30:40):
the wrong people as well as the right people as well.

Speaker 18 (30:42):
Obviously, back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast
with the rain Drover, the Law News talk.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
ZB fight Away from five Heather, you both could get
into trouble in this interview for calling people an idiot. Look,
thank you allie. Look that was about hush. I acknowledge
it was a bit harsh. It's not my mum said
to me, don't say things like that when I used
to when I was like five years old, and I
call people in the it. She said, don't use that words,
so I shouldn't use that word, and I'm sorry for that. However, however,
I do stand by the sentiment. Come on, you can't

(31:09):
be Ingrid Leary and say that it's okay and call
for the pulling of mental health funding because you cross
with the guy who made a comment which is going
to directly affect young people up and down this country.
You can't play political political games with mental health funding
and they not want to talk about it like you
are a person of low intelligence if you do that,
do you know what I mean? Or you'd have a
better bloody great excuse, like right at that minute, you're

(31:33):
getting a wax job or something that is very important,
like equally important, do you know what I mean? Anyway, Well,
we'll see if Ingrid Front's up to talk to us
at some stage. Listen, we've got to talk about the
Travis Scott concert at Eden Park. WHOA, that was wild
last night. You will have seen the footage were they're
just like, look, I was expecting this to happen because
the same same thing happened in Sydney. We kids started

(31:54):
fighting with each other and as we were discussing on
the show yesterday. I mean, people have died in a
Travis Scott concert before, but it was while to what
should happened at Eden Park. All of a sudden, the
crowd would just open up with this massive circle of
like no you know, with people surrounding it, and these
kids would just be getting into fights and punching each
other and carrying on. Now, I have a suspicion that

(32:14):
at least some of that, not all of it, but
at least some of it was organized where they were
bored and so they started punching each other because a
couple of the kids actually hugged after their punch up,
so it didn't look like there was agro involved it,
just like they were bored, which is the I think
this is a Travis Scott and an organizer problem because
I think the gates opened at something like five o'clock
or thereabouts. I don't know what time they opened, but

(32:35):
that guy was not on stage, and by the way,
he sucked. We'll talk about the reviews later. He was
not on stage until nine o'clock right and in between,
So that whole time leading up to nine o'clock, no
opening acts, just a DJ who played for honestly about
fifteen minutes. So you just had people standing there for
literally hours on end, bored out of their minds. That
was badly That was badly done by Travis Scott. Anyway,

(32:59):
we'll deal with the review later on in the program.
Next up, let's talk to inter Island about what happened
on the boat that ran into the sand. News Talk said, be.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
It's hither duple see Ellen drive with one New Zealand
let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
News Talk said, be.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Afternoon, So we finally got the official account of why
the Artis had a ferry ran onto that beach near
Pecton in June. Turns out it is basically what we
had already heard. The autopilot took the vessel off in
the wrong direction and nobody on board knew how to
disable the autopilot.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
What we have established is that.

Speaker 22 (33:45):
They did not know that they had to hold the
button down, nor were they aware that they did not know.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Duncan Roy is the Inter Islanders executive general manager. Hey, Duncan, Hi,
Heather good to be back, Duncan.

Speaker 14 (33:56):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Everything goes wrong when the refound master, who's the chap
who is learning the boat again presses the autopilot more
than thirty seconds too late. Why did that happen?

Speaker 17 (34:04):
So you'll notice today that take put out a list
of statements of facts. One of the things they didn't
do was make comment on why that button was pushed,
because they have an ongoing investigation and I'm not going
to comment on that either. What I can say is
that the ship did move to starboard in the era,
and after that they went through the process of regaining

(34:26):
control and they couldn't do that immediately, and then they
went through another series of their processes to slow the
ship down and attempt to stop it before it ground slowly.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
The chap who was actually in charge the nightmaster, was
he properly supervising the refam master when he presses the
button too late?

Speaker 10 (34:45):
Totally.

Speaker 17 (34:46):
The nightmaster is in control of the bridge and he
had the appropriate people on the bridge with him. He
was refaming another master. We do that so they can
maintain currency as they move around the ships. This is
accepted practice and was normal prep normal.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Because it just sounds like what's probably happened to he
is they're having a little chat about how the boat
works and they chat for thirty seconds too long as
the button gets pressed too late.

Speaker 10 (35:08):
Yeah, no, when they.

Speaker 17 (35:12):
When the button was pushed in the ship moved to starboard.
You know, large ships take time to change course. It
was an unexpected turn. It's at night, so that's an
understandable timeline to react to.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, but the button was pressed too late.

Speaker 10 (35:25):
The button was pressed in the error.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Oh, it wasn't supposed to be pressed at all.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
No, the button was pressed and the ship changed direction
to startard.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Why didn't they know that they had to press the
disabled button for five seconds at least to disable the autopilot.

Speaker 17 (35:41):
That is the key question that we're looking at now
that we've got the Oaritary back into service. He's done
three hundred and sixty four sailings, including three today, So
frustrating this thing happened.

Speaker 10 (35:51):
We are lucky.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Don't tell me you don't know what the answer to
that question is.

Speaker 17 (35:56):
So they didn't know on the bridge, we didn't know.
An into island up working with the people that provided
us the service right now as we spect to work
out why we didn't know, Well, we have done those
We solved the problem immediately, so now we're working on
going forward and fixing this so it doesn't happen again.

Speaker 10 (36:15):
Change.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
How do you honestly, I mean, it's so basic, right,
It's a basic question of going to them and being like,
why didn't you know? Did we brief you? Like that's
a simple question. How in five months have you not
asked that question?

Speaker 10 (36:27):
So I think I'll just repeat what I said.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Either they didn't know, we didn't know, So now I
didn't ask you why you didn't know?

Speaker 10 (36:35):
So as take said today that they didn't know, they
didn't know.

Speaker 17 (36:40):
So we've been We've received a new piece of equipment,
and we're working with the provider of the equipment to
figure out why.

Speaker 10 (36:45):
Oh hold on, we run informed.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Are you telling me they didn't know? They had to
prece it for five seconds? But neither did anybody in
Into Islander.

Speaker 10 (36:54):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 17 (36:55):
We got a new piece of equipment, and there was
a very specific set of circumstances that me to that
required a five second over okay, for the eighty three
crossings prior to this. Yeah, the one press button worked
the day they arrived and picked in that day, they
pressed the button once to take control. It was only
when in this very particular set of circumstances where the

(37:16):
rudder was out of sync with the steering wheel that
you had to do a five second overall?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
And are you telling me there and whoever provided this
equipment to inter Islander told no one in inter Islander
that in the specific set of circumstances you have to
press the button for five seconds. Like literally nobody knew.

Speaker 10 (37:35):
We are working with that provider right now.

Speaker 17 (37:37):
But are you telling me nobody takes as takes said
today a number of times. It's a very complex set
of the investigations that.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Nobody in Into Ireland and knew you had to press
it for five seconds.

Speaker 17 (37:48):
Heather, if we'd known that you had to do it,
we would have done it.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Okay, Well you might have just been a communication problem,
but I get it. Did somebody go get a coffee?

Speaker 10 (37:59):
Yeah, we can put that.

Speaker 17 (37:59):
To be right now, the right number of people on
the bridge doing their job professionally. No one left the
bridge to get coffee.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Duncan, thank you very much for answering the questions. Really
appreciate im it. There's Duncan roy Ter Island, a executive
general manager. Hever do for c ellens Well business optimism.
How good is this keeps growing. It's up five points
in October alone to sixty six points. Businesses are still
rating their own activity much lower though, at negative eleven,
but that's still at the highest level since March. Sharon

(38:26):
Zolner is A and z's chief economist and with us Hey, Sharon,
good evening. What do you put this optimism down to?
Is this basically the rate cuts?

Speaker 23 (38:34):
I'd say so, I mean, when it boils down to it,
the slow down scene caused by higher interest rates. So
why wouldn't lower interest rates be the solution. There hasn't
been a lot else going on. There's obviously some fiscal
cutting that's hurting Wellington and the export markets in China.
Maybe answer great at the moment, but but overall the
slowdown has really been a result of interest rates. So

(38:54):
in that context, perhaps not surprising to see a fairly
enthusiastic response to rates.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Now, what are you seeing in the construction sector.

Speaker 23 (39:03):
Well, that's a really interesting one because the construction sector
is by far the most sensitive to interest rates, and
it's just generally on a bigger rollercoaster than the rest
of the economy. It was booming the most in twenty
twenty one, but it's actually been the weakest since early
twenty twenty three in terms of what they are reporting
for experienced activity as opposed to their expectations. But they've

(39:23):
also had the biggest lift in that. So this isn't
just the hope and optimism looking forward that fewer construction
cerms are now reporting that they're less busy than a
year ago. They're still the majority, So you know, it's
still pretty tough times, absolutely, but things are just perhaps
starting to.

Speaker 15 (39:40):
Look up a little.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
What are you expecting in the unemployment numbers next week?

Speaker 23 (39:45):
We're picking four point nine. There, reserve banks at five.
I've seen an estimate of five point one out there,
so we're all there or thereabouts. The number can surprise
us because it's impacted not only by how many people
are employed, but also by how many people are looking
for work, and that can actually jump around quite a bit,
so the details will matter. But we're all forecasting at

(40:07):
number around five, right.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Four point nine from you guys on the path to what.

Speaker 23 (40:12):
We're picking around five and a half. That seems to
be the general expectation. There are some people picking that
could go as high as six. Hopefully not, but you know,
in the early nineteen nineties it went well into double digits.
But there in our survey too there was some good news,
employment intentions lifting strongly and actually firms reported past employment

(40:34):
also lifting again, still negative, but it does suggest that
perhaps the margin some ferns are choosing to keep their
staff in anticipation of better times.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, that's great, hey, Sharon, thank you very much, appreciate it.
Sharon's on Ains's chief economists. Okay, we're going to live
in next because it looks like there may be a
back down coming on the berms. We'll get across that.
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Speaker 3 (41:53):
Heather duper Clan eighteen past five.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Now listen, it looks like there might be a little
bit of a backdown coming on the Livin Boom saga.
You'll remember this. The councils stopped mowing the BOMs back
in July because they wanted to save some money, and
then naturally there was an outcry from residents, and then
yesterday the council voted to have another look at whether
they make the right call. Bernie London is the mayor
of Hatera Fenwa is with us. Now, Hey, Bernie, good afternoon, Heather.

(42:17):
What's the problem. Is it a good idea and winter
bad idea? In spring once the grass starts growing.

Speaker 24 (42:24):
Look, we're just wanting to understand what the impacts of
cutting cutting out there service it means. It does not
mean that we are going to flip flop. All it
means is that we want to understand what has happened
since we stopped mowing burns. As you can understand, there
are some people that are a bit put out by
it all. But and so we just want to understand

(42:45):
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Is the town starting to look a little rough look
in patches.

Speaker 9 (42:51):
Yes it is.

Speaker 24 (42:52):
There's been some good raying lately and a bit of warp.
So the booms are growing this, but we're also seeing.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Is this in parts of town where people like are
not mowing the booms? Is that what's up? Some parts
are nice, yeah, lotle are making it effort, and other
parts are not so nice. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 10 (43:09):
It is that case.

Speaker 24 (43:10):
And look, we've got towns in villages, especially Fox and Shannon,
where they have very big booms, and that has causing
some issues, especially with some of those that aren't physically
able or don't have the capacity to be able to
mow their booms. So look, we just want to understand
those issues and try and I suppose work out a

(43:31):
plan that we may be able to accommodate.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
That is this also a case of people only really
realizing what's happening once it's happening, Like they didn't know
beforehand before you guys made this decision that this was
on the cards, but once it started to kind of
get a bit of traction in the media, they got upset.
Is that what happened exactly?

Speaker 24 (43:47):
So this was part of our cost saving measures put
into our long term plane.

Speaker 10 (43:52):
We had eighty eight.

Speaker 24 (43:53):
Percent of the people that responded to our long term
plan ticked the box where they said that they wanted
those savings to be made. Of course, now that we've
seen the impact of that, they're kicking up a fuss.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Now, Bernie, how do we get around this right? Because
what the speaks to is the lack of engagement in
local government just by your average ratepayers. So do you
guys need to make more of an effort to get
it out there what you're planning to do before you
do it?

Speaker 24 (44:21):
Well, we try our best. Honestly, we've had more public
engagement and more meetings Facebook Live post the whole lot,
you know. I mean we try our best to engage
with the community as best we can. Obviously with a
long tim plan, there's a probably thirty issues that they
need to deal with and this one may have fallen

(44:42):
through the cracks and people not understood exactly what was
going on.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
All right, Bernie, Hey, it's good to talk to you, mate,
Thank you very much, appreciate it. It's Bunny Wondon. What
if it is there here? The ask dun can wear
the coffee machine on the vessel is because you'll find
it's on the bridge. So what that means is no
one had to leave the bridge to get a coffee.
Do you get it look possibility? Because I didn't think
to ask that question, because I didn't think that that

(45:06):
was a possibility. Well we've got the final report coming out,
and surely surely that will be answered in that final
report because coffee is the main issue heres. You can
tell five to twenty one the name you trust to
get the answers you need.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Heather duples ce allan drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected and news talk as.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
They'd be twenty four past five. Listen, I don't love
in New Zealand at the moment. I mean, I love
the cabin crew, I always do. They are always awesome,
but the airline probably, like you pretty grumpy at them
for the prices they charge. I don't want to tell
you what I paid for prices recently for flights recently,
just in case my husband's still listening, but it was
basically the equivalent of a central city rates bill. Oh,

(45:44):
is a lot of money for flights. So you would expect,
given that I don't love in New Zealand at the moment,
that I would have a lot of sympathy for consuming
New Zealand's call for a market study to deal with
their New Zealand's quote virtual monopoly. But I don't because
this is just gonna be a waste of good money
as well. What good is a market study?

Speaker 23 (46:04):
Right?

Speaker 2 (46:04):
What if we do a market study, what good is
it gonna do? What is it going to tell us
that we don't already know? I mean, we already know
that there's a competition problem here. We already know that
they have a monopoly in some parts of the country
because in New Zealand is the only airline that flies
into some parts of the country that is the definition
of a monopoly. You don't need a market study to
tell you that. We know they charge too much for
some flights. We don't have evidence of that, but common

(46:25):
sense would dictate that if you've got no competition, then
you can charge what you want and you will push it.
They have no competition, they can charge what they want.
In some parts of the country, they're probably pushing it.
Prices suggests they are so when the market still study
tells us inevitably, if we were to do it what
we already know, what are we gonna do? Then what
are we gonna do? Are we gonna tell them how

(46:46):
much they can charge us? Who's gonna do that job?
Who's gonna sit there calculating with the seventh last seat
on the eleven to ten flight from Auckland to Wellington
on a Monday is allowed to be sold at and
are they going to do that for the sixth last
seat as well, and then the fifth last seat and
all the way through the last seat. Are they going
to calculate all of those prices? The best argument for
the market study that Consumer New Zealand mounted today is

(47:09):
that basically, we may need to find out why we
have a competition problem, why is that other airlines don't
want to take on these routes? But I actually don't
think we need a market study for that. I mean,
I think quite simply the Minister, if he wants to
fix this, can just phone up some potential competitors and
find out why they're not doing it, what the problem
is there? You get your answer. I don't like paying

(47:29):
Air New Zealand's exorbitant rates any more than you do.
But I also do not like wasting tax payer money
and officials time, which is basically tax payer money again,
doing a market study just so that you consume a
New Zealand can keep on a campaign that's obviously working
very well for them. I mean, I think we're already
wasting enough money on the Air New Zealand tickets and
wasting one lot of money on Air New Zealand is

(47:49):
frankly enough for me.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Thanks Heather Duplice, Ellen Mike King's.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Comments, We're going to have a chat to an alcohol
or a psychologist, psychological researcher after headlines, which is coming
up very shortly, stand by for that obviously. Can imagine
I can imagine that they don't love it. Travis Scott.
Now I got a text you saying here that the
mount Eden concert last night was extra loud and the
base shook my house in epsom mount Eden, louder than

(48:14):
the Rugby World Cup final. But pleased for the funds
that brought into Auckland and the new roof will help
keep a little on at age. Tell you what, I'm
never gonna buy myself at Travis Scott album. I am
never going to listen to any Travis Scott ever in
my life again, because that was horrific. I stood there going,

(48:35):
how the hell does this guy make any money off
this nonsense coming out of his mouth right now? Definitely,
what happened I think was that I realized, absolutely, with
no doubt in my mind last night for the first time,
that I am now old, because I feel like I
had the same experience that my mum would have had
when I was listening to Doctor Dre when I was
a teenager.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
She was like, what is this?

Speaker 2 (48:56):
There is no tune. That's what I did last night.
I was like, what is this tune? You're just yelling
Year into the microphone. It's very loud. I can't hear
anything other than Year, and there's a lot of auto
tuning and clicking. Anyway, you missed nothing. I mean it
was it was quite interesting though, But he's rubbish, isn't he. Anyway,
I'll give you some reviews later in the program. Man

(49:16):
Headline's next.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in
your car on your drive home. Here the dup of
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Speaker 3 (49:27):
Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Hey, the huddle standing by this evening. We have got
the lovely Commandalor and the lovely Alie Jones with us.
Also also, wildest wildest idea of the day has come
from Mayor Brown. When I say Wayne Brown, obviously Mayor
of Auckland. When I say wild idea, I don't mean
wild as in like wild and stupid. And why are
you suggesting that wild as in ooh that's wild?

Speaker 3 (50:02):
That could work.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I could be interested in that. So I'm going to
get you across that. It's basically got to do with
us flying to Brazil and making a ton of money
off it. I'll explain to you when I get a
chance in just a minute, and we're going to talk
about it. After six It's twenty four away from sex.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Either duel now.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yesterday, Mike King made this comment on our show about
alcohol and it's linked to mental health.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Alcohol is not a problem for people with mental health issues.
It's actually the solution to our problem. It stops those thoughts.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Mike is standing by that comment. Today, labor has reacted badly,
calling for the funding for gun Boot Friday to pause.
Professor Joe Boden is from the University of Otago's Department
of Psychological Medicine.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Hey Joe, Hi, how are you? I'm very well?

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Thank you? Now, I mean, obviously that statement is factually incorrect,
right because alcohol is a problem for people with mental
health issues, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (50:49):
It absolutely is.

Speaker 15 (50:51):
There Really research shows very strong linkages between, for example,
alcohol and major depression and alcohol and side risk.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Has He got a point when he says, though, that
for some people it provides a form of escape from
the thoughts that they're having.

Speaker 15 (51:09):
I think there's there's some evidence that suggests that one
of the things that alcohol helps with is this idea
of cognitive narrowing that it is that makes you sort
of think about less things. So in a sense it
might work temporarily. The difficulty is is that it is
actually a depressant. It's a nervous system depressant, and so

(51:31):
it is actually likely to cause feelings of depression and
then low low mood and those sorts of things. So
really any sort of temporary benefit is offset by the
adverse effects.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
Do you agree with Labor that he should lose his funding?

Speaker 15 (51:49):
Look, I'm not the person who decides who decides these things,
but it's to me it's a it's not a very
good look for the for the spokesperson for this particular
for this particular endeavor to be you know, spouting misinformation.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, are you cross about it?

Speaker 10 (52:07):
No?

Speaker 15 (52:07):
More trust than I am about a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Because the reason I asked that question is because I mean, look,
this is his opinion, and I get that, you know,
from from my perspective, from your perspective, it is not
factually correct in its totality. But I don't really understand
why why everybody's so cross about it. That's why I'm
asking you if you'll cross about it.

Speaker 15 (52:26):
Well, look, we're talking about something that a substance that,
when when misused, it can very well increase suicide risks.
So really it's it's at cross purposes to what he
is endeavoring to be on about it to reduce suicide.
That reduces the suicide right, and in fact, one of
the things that would really be particularly helpful in reducing

(52:48):
the suicide the rate is reducing the overall level of
alcohol consumption and the population. So I think that that
it is a it's an irresponsible kind of comment in
this particular context.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Joe, it's good to talk to you. Thanks very much
for your expertise. It's Professor Joe Boden, University of Otarget,
Department of Psychological Medicine. It's coming up twenty away from.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
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Speaker 2 (53:16):
And on the huddle with me this evening, we've got
Clear Delare journalist and Ali Jones have read pr Hello
you too, Hello there, Hi Claire. What do you reckon?
Should the funding be pulled?

Speaker 10 (53:25):
No?

Speaker 25 (53:25):
I don't think it should be pulled.

Speaker 26 (53:26):
I think they should always be measured on results and
they should be held accountable, and that includes Mike King.

Speaker 25 (53:33):
I think he needs to be told.

Speaker 26 (53:34):
Stan is Lane fronting at is good if alcohol somehow
has helped him in the past.

Speaker 25 (53:40):
That's very much at variance.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Trouble, Jobble is this is his lane, isn't it. I
mean he's talking about his experience.

Speaker 26 (53:46):
He's talking about his personal experience, but it is not
the accepted wisdom. Most of the recovering and recovered alcoholics
I know say they have never found an answer at
the bottom of an em wine bottle.

Speaker 25 (53:58):
So I do think the clinical evidence is in. It
is a depressant. It doesn't help people long.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Term low as inhibitions, So you're actually more likely to
do the bad thing, aren't you.

Speaker 26 (54:08):
Absolutely Have any of us ever made really wise decisions
at let's say one in the morning with a skinful No.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
We have not, Or even the next day when you're
feeling mildly depressed and anxious as a result of it,
or you have a terrible.

Speaker 26 (54:20):
Hangover and you make a bad decision the next day,
which god include driving while.

Speaker 25 (54:24):
Still under you know, with the blood alcohol and you're
still high.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Ally, what do you reckon? Oh, I've got nothing really
to add to that.

Speaker 27 (54:30):
I think you're absolutely right, Claire. I mean my experience
is at alcohol and depression doesn't mix. You know, I
haven't heard the interview in its entirety, and so I
don't want to sort of comment on that. And I'm
certainly not an expert on alcohol. You spoke to Joe
just before, Heather, and he's that expert. But I don't
know anyone who has had mental health issues for whom

(54:54):
alcohol has helped. In fact, as we've heard and as
Claire said, it just makes things. Have you heard about,
you know, the depressive blues the day after a binge.
They are called that for a reason. So yeah, I
look it thought. I don't want to criticize Mike King
too much either. I mean, thank God for people like
him to be honest, But still I think it was

(55:15):
a bit of a faux pa, and I'm interested that
he's sort of doubling down on it.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I am you know what. I think it is to
his character to double down on it. Ali, he's the
kind of guy who just kind of stands his ground
and can be a little belligerent. But what I'm fascinated
by is that Labour thinks it's a good idea to
pull the funding because of this. Oh that's just politicking, though, Heather,
isn't it amazing? That's just nonsense.

Speaker 27 (55:36):
I think, you know, any political party that knee jerks
with a comment like that needs to kick up the barm.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I mean, it really is childish.

Speaker 27 (55:43):
So I no, it's just politicking.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
And I just wonder, actually clear if Mike needs to
understand how political he is now because he took on
to remember, he took on Justin da Ardoun all the
way back and I think it was like twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen, and since then he's become a very very
political figure, and so he needs to keep his nose
really clean.

Speaker 26 (56:00):
That's what I mean by he needs to stay in
his lane. He needs to know his brief. He needs
to know the messaging which is really appropriate for him
being across and that he is actually jeopardizing the reputation
of the organization if he goes beyond areas of his
expertise or he's I don't know him. He's presumably a
good guy and he's got, you know, his heart in

(56:21):
the right place and he has had lived experience of
all sorts of problems. He's doing good with this foundation,
but he doesn't want to jeopardize it, especially as he
had the privilege of getting a sort of fast tracking
of funding.

Speaker 6 (56:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Absolutely, Hey, Ali, do you think that a New Zealand
needs a market study into its virtual monopoly.

Speaker 27 (56:41):
I think it can help, but I you know, I
think that about the insurance sector as well, as I've
said on your show before. But look, the only thing
that I do have mixed feelings on with regards to
this is that we're a small country, right, We've got
a small population, and I just I'm wary of this
comparison with quantus. You know, as far as increases go

(57:01):
around quantity and New Zealand's pricing, that is not comparing
apples with apples. I think if demand is high, businesses
should be able to apply the old supply and demand
theory and you make more money and put the prices
up because people will pay it when supply is low.
But the issue is the degree of inflating those prices.

(57:22):
So if the price is unreasonable, then that needs to stop,
because we've all heard the word extortionate, right, and that's
when it becomes extortionate.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
But what is reasonable and what is unreasonable? And I
think that's for the com Com to decide. Okay, I'm
going to get your take on it clear when we
come back from the break right now, sixteen away from
six the Huddle.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate the marketing of
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Speaker 2 (57:44):
Back with the Huddle clear to law and alle Jones,
So cleiar, What do you reckon? Is it worth putting
the money into a market study to find out what
are in New Zealand's doing well?

Speaker 26 (57:51):
Probably not, because as far as one can tell from outside,
they're not doing anything illegal. They may well be doing
things that most people find unaffordable and their powers. The
ComCom is where people are breaching regulations or the law
or whatever and calling them to account, you know, maybe
the naming and shaming side of that, but you know
that doesn't seem to when people complain anyway about the prices,

(58:14):
it doesn't necessarily move the dial. Then there'll be a
flash sale for example, and if you open your email,
like you know, a day late, your miss out, so
you'll be really hacked off with them on top of
everything else. So sometimes I think they're marketing maybe needs
to be a little bit more, you know, a little
bit more attuned to people's habits. No, I don't think

(58:35):
it would make a difference. I mean, our supermarket's marketly cheaper.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Because of the market study name market study clear that
has actually resulted in a lower price for you.

Speaker 26 (58:45):
Well, I can't, and I don't think it's changed the
bank's behaviors.

Speaker 25 (58:49):
And you know we do want profitable banks. It's with
markets and the like.

Speaker 26 (58:53):
All the studies in the world haven't made much of
a difference to where you feel you have by way
of power as a consumer.

Speaker 27 (58:59):
But I think that's more clear to do perhaps with
the terms of reference and what the study was essentially
supposed to result in, because certainly the studies of the
price of fuel when Megan Woods was in though, there
was absolutely nothing in those that gave anyone any power
to actually do anything. And I see that Anthony Albanezi

(59:20):
is actually outlawing this demand pricing, this dynamic pricing model
that Air New Zealand uses is being outlawed in Australia. Now,
you know, the government can actually do something to regulate
the sector, but I think they have to have the
information in order to be able to do that. So
I don't see, you know, a market review as being
a total waste of time, but I think the terms

(59:40):
of reference have got to be right, yes.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
When it results in action.

Speaker 26 (59:43):
Sorry, Claire, I was going to say, this government has
actually set up a whole new department to deregulate and
unregulate us. So yeah, I can't see them climbing into
regulation without really strong cause.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yeah, yeah, Hey, do you know what, Ali, people have
got themselves quite worked up today about the the fighting
and scuffling that was breaking out at the Travis Scott concert.
Did you see any of that video?

Speaker 10 (01:00:05):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:00:05):
I didn't.

Speaker 27 (01:00:06):
And if someone had said Travis Scott to me yesterday, oh,
I would have said, oh, I am such I really
am not great with some of some of the people
around the music these days. However, I read too that
there were no complaints from residents. Apparently there were no arrests.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Apparently, so Helen must have absolutely been self disciplined last night,
because that would have absolutely ripped a nickers. It was
so loud. I think there were.

Speaker 25 (01:00:31):
Twenty eight complaints, well on your very own network or somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I don't know all the journalists. Well, I stand corrected. Then, well,
there were some.

Speaker 25 (01:00:41):
Allie, and I cannot tell you the source for which I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Just wonder how loud you'd have to make the concert
program to drown out Travis Scott. Right next door.

Speaker 10 (01:00:51):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Did you enjoy it, Heather, No, not in the slightest
I mean no, Actually, that's not that's not that's not fair.
I enjoyed realizing my a while standing there and watching
and going, I can't understand why this is music and
this is this is bizarre.

Speaker 25 (01:01:07):
Well, it also seemed to me.

Speaker 26 (01:01:08):
I mean I saw some children today aged twelve and
thirteen who went with their mum, who's about forty one,
and they all seem to have a good time. However,
fifteen to twenty minutes for DJ and one hour of
a guy on stage. Now, does you compare that to
Bruce Springsteen Paul McCartney when they came, who had no
backup when bang song, song song, you know, they just

(01:01:28):
rolled in for three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yes, it's I think it was. Well, I mean what
I'm going to say this, Claire, Musicians these days are lazy,
aren't they? Not like they were an ourday, Not like
they were in our day. They come, they do a
three hour set with guitars and drums and actual music,
and this guy makes people wait for four hours, and
he dances by.

Speaker 26 (01:01:50):
And change the date and inconvenienced a lot of his fans,
you think you would really double down on putting on
a top show. So you know, I mean nothing much
excuses if people were having genuine punch ups, but if
they were sort of bored and kind of prepare enough.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yeah you do you Ellie, have you listened to any
Travis Scott?

Speaker 6 (01:02:08):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
No, I haven't. Clear, I feel it.

Speaker 26 (01:02:11):
Look I did today with the kids in the car.
I said, I said, can you please pay me a
video of the concert? And then we put it on
the Apple a play and I thoughts and I, well,
not my thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
But kids loved it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
Did they?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Could they see a tune in that music? Did they?

Speaker 25 (01:02:26):
They seem too?

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
And they yeah, all right, didn't you Jack?

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Yeah, Jack did. At least one of us listened to
the Travis Scott music before I'm talking about it, and
I didn't. Guys, it was lovely to talk to the
pair of you. Thank you for coming in and really
appreciates Clear to little journalists and Allie Jones read PR
nine Away from six on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:42):
Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your
car on your drive home. Heather Duples see Alan drive
with one New zealand one Giant Leap for business news
talk as it be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Hither there's no need for a market study into in
New Zealand. I can tell you right now what the
issue is. New Zealanders have done it to themselves. Jetstar
came to New Zealand on the regional routs. Kiwis were
all really happy because the in New Zealand match Jetstar's prices,
which was finally healthy competition. But instead of supporting Jetstar,
ki we still flew in in New Zealand because the
prices were lower than they usually were and because everyone
still loves Corry Club and as a result of that,

(01:03:15):
Jetstar basically pulled out of it. As a fair point,
I think six away from six. So this is the
wild idea of the day from Wayne Brown. He wants
to see direct flights from Auckland to sal Polo in Brazil.
Not because he thinks that all of a sudden, our
tourism in Brazil is going to pick up, all Brazilian
tourism in New Zealand's going to go game busters or
anything like that, but simply because he sees an opportunity

(01:03:36):
to tap into the trade between China and Brazil that's
already happening right So these guys are already trading with
each other, but they go via the US, which is
the longest way, and actually the shortest way is apparently
through Auckland. If you look at a map, it doesn't
look like it. He says. This is because of the
Makata projection of the world, which is like an optical illusion.
But actually we are the shorter route. If you fly

(01:03:56):
China to Brazil via Auckland and he reckoned, the China
Brazil trade is about five hundred billion dollars. And if
they flew via Auckland and we even got one percent
of that trade, it would double the size of Auckland's GDP.
Now that is such a wildly simple way of making
money that it's either absolutely absurd, and why on earth

(01:04:19):
is he wasting our time? Or maybe he's onto something.
Guess what, Nzer thinks he's onto something. So they're going
to talk to us about it after six when they're
with us. I love it. How makes it easy money?
Why not? Now? The question, okay, so this business just
to the US quickly, because of course we're only a
few days away from the US election happening. Question has

(01:04:40):
been whether Donald Trump is being hurt by the garbage.
Comments read Porto Rico Today would suggest no, this campaign
is not being hurt by that. And how do we
know that, Well, that's because Donald Trump is having a
hell of a lot of fun with it. He turned
up in the swing state of Wisconsin in a garbage truck.
Now I don't know where he got the garbage truck from,
but somebody made the garbage truck into a Trump garbage

(01:05:03):
truck very quickly. It's a full sized garbage truck painted white,
which I don't know that a lot of garbage trucks are,
and it's got a gigantic bit of Trump branding on
both sides. He's turned up driving the thing while in
the cab, he has leaned out the window and given
media interviews and he is just having a great idea,
a great time. But it's got no idea. What the

(01:05:23):
fuss about Puerto Rico is?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
I love Puerto Rico and Puerto Rico loves me.

Speaker 10 (01:05:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 28 (01:05:28):
I don't know anything about a comedian. I just I
love Puerto Rico. Nobody's done more for Puerto Rico than.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Me, No, nobody, nobody. So unusual for Trump to brag
like that, but nobody has done more for Puerto Rico.

Speaker 12 (01:05:42):
I don't know about a comedian. This is the story
from the US selection that is being talked about so
much that we are talking about it in New Zealand,
and he, in the middle of the election campaign, has
not heard the story.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
This is the comedian who they pre vetted, who they
read the jokes of before it went on the auto cube.
But he's got no idea. Yeah that's interesting. Yeah, no,
it's no idea. What's happened. We all know what happened
at his thing, but he doesn't know what happened at
his thing. And just FYI thoughts on Elon.

Speaker 28 (01:06:10):
Elon is a great guy. He's one of our geniuses,
and we have to protect our geniuses. We have to
take care of our geniuses.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
All of which is happening from the inside of the
garbage truck. So I'm just getting the feeling that Biden
has just given Trump the greatest gift there has an
e He's just turned what was turning into a bit
of a problem for by for Trumpy into well not
a problem for Trumpy at all. And now he's hanging
out the side of a garbage truck. Hey, listen, I've
got to talk to you. Have you heard of this stuff?
Ag one the supplement that Joe Rogan's pitching, a New

(01:06:41):
Zealand supplement. I'm gonna hear about this shortly, and you
want to NEWSTORGSB.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
We're a business insight the Business Hour. We'd had a
Duplicla and my hr on Newstalks B.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Even in coming up to the Next Hour newsroom, Jock
odon in Z has just launched a podcast about a
Kiwi company, a Kiwi company that's been sprooked by the
likes of Joe Rogan. It's caused all kinds of repercussions.
I'm going to get you across the details shortly. Liam
dan on what the US selection could mean for our economy,
and Jamie mccinlillb be of US as well. At seven
past six. Now Aukland, there Wayne Brown is poshing for

(01:07:23):
direct flights from Auckland to sal Polo and Brazil. He
reckons if we do this, it means we could tap
into trade between China and Brazil, which is worth nearly
five hundred billion dollars a year. Chris Nixon is ends
in Ie as principal economist.

Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
He Chris good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Crazy idea or not.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
Oh, I don't think it's a crazy idea. I think
it's quite a good idea. I mean, given the mayhem
which is happening in the United States at the moment
and their incoherent economic policies, we've got to be innovatives
and we've we've got to take the lead on these projects.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Okay, So if the trade between China and Brazil is
worth that much, and he reckons we tap into one
percent of it, we could double the GDP of Auckland.
But how would a flight tap into one percent of it?

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
Well, I think firstly, it's not just about China, it's
about ACIM, it's about East Asia, and it's about China,
and so I think that's the first thing. The second
thing is that goods, like e commerce goods are starting
to really go ballistic in places like Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru,

(01:08:35):
and so therefore there is an opportunity here to connect
the Asian and East Asia and China with South America
through New Zealand. And I think that's the key issue.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
But how are we making the money? Are we making
money off of people jumping off the plane for a
bit of a stop in Auckland or what.

Speaker 6 (01:08:58):
Well, one of the things is that IATA has done
some work around this and they would argue that a
one percent increase in connectivity will increase trade by six
point three percent. So it's the point that we need

(01:09:18):
the connectivity to drive trade. And now you know, the
trade could be an e commerce, it could be in tourism,
it could be an education, export exports.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
We don't really know.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
But the point is if you have the connectivity, then
you see the opportunities. So that's why I like Wayne
Brown's enthusiasm. He's come to a bit late, but you
know it's good that he's here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Why do you say he's come to it a bit late.

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
Well, I wrote this report in twenty and twenty one,
so that's that's three years, three years ago. But the
point is he's here and he's in making these noises,
and I think they are the right noises to make.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
So the thing is, though, I think we've only got
one flight between Auckland and South America.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
That's the problem, is it Chile?

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
Is that where it goes it's yes, it's Latin, and
it goes from San Diego to Auckland and then on
to Melbourne.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
And then also we had the Buenos AIDA's flight, which
in New Zealand was doing in absence candidates. So that
suggests it just doesn't work for the airlines.

Speaker 6 (01:10:25):
Well, I think that's possibly right. But I think there's
an opportunity here. And the opportunity that presents itself is
around e commerce, it is around tourism. We've got to
sort of our setting our regulatory settings out around those things,
by the way, but if those things happen and we

(01:10:48):
design rules that around the way businesses operate, not the
way we think they operate, then I think we've got
a chance here.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Chris, interesting stuff, Thanks very much for talking through. That's
Chris Nixon, principal economist. It ends in Ia, So there
you go. Wild idea turns out to be like maybe
a wildly good idea. Hither, I watch a number of
most popular YouTube channel sailing channels. They all endorse AG one.
Other popular channels do as well. Brendan says, Hither, I
can't buy ag one in New Zealand. I'm unhappy about that.

(01:11:19):
That's from Paul. So ag one is this is a
supplement drink. It's like a green it's a green supplement,
a powdery thing by the sounds of things, and it's
it's been created by a company which has been led
by a Kiwi and I think, if I remember correctly,
has been marketed as being made in New Zealand. May
not quite be the case. Anyway, This thing has turned

(01:11:40):
into a one point two billion dollar company US because
it has been championed by some berg influences, so Joe Rogan,
doctor Andrew Huberman, Gwyneth Paltrow, even David Farrier here in
New Zealand. Not marketed here in New Zealand at all,
but over in the States has really taken off anyway.
The Newsroom had a look at it, thought something's going

(01:12:02):
on here, so they investigated. They've done a podcast and
found there is no scientific evidence to back up the
claims that are made by ag one anyway, but a
bunch of other things as well. You will you'll want
to hear. The guy who has created it has now
resigned the company after this investigation. And it wasn't a
flash in the pan investigation. It's an investigation that took
them about a year to do. John o'milne, who is

(01:12:25):
with Newsroom and is behind this podcast, is going to
be with us just after hulf pus six and tell
us all the details because it sounds quite scandalous, doesn't it.
Thirteen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicy
Allen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the
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numbers and getting the results. It's Heather duplicity Allen with
the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the HR solution
for busy sms on news talks EDB.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
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But not all of us get to say that we
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talk to John about that after help us six. Now
it's seventeen pass six, just six more sleeps to go
until voters and the US decide who's going to be

(01:14:01):
the next president. We're going to be watching it like
hawks as well, because of course it might affect the
New Zealand businesses. Liam dan is The Herald's Business editor
at large. He Liam, Hey, Heather, Okay, who do you
reckon would be better for our economy?

Speaker 9 (01:14:13):
Oh?

Speaker 29 (01:14:14):
Well, I guess you know. It's a weird one because
we don't really know a lot, partly because I think
Kamala Harris has been a bit vague on policy, We
don't know exactly what's coming there. And then of course,
good old Donald Trump, he is so incredibly specific about
all the things he's going to do, and then it's
very hard to know, you know, exactly whether he will

(01:14:36):
do them because what he sees is sometimes a bit different.
The trade stuff I think makes life a little bit
difficult for New Zealand. So that's that's the big policy
from Donald Trump is putting ten percent tariffs on everything
that goes into the United States, and then sixty percent
tariffs on Chinese goods, which could also have some weird

(01:14:57):
you know, if you think about it, what's that going
to mean for all the Chinese goods around the world.
It may actually mean some cheap stuff coming our way,
which we don't probably need more of, but maybe electric
cars all that kind of stuff. You know, it's kind
of it's kind of uncharted territory.

Speaker 10 (01:15:13):
It's a big experiment.

Speaker 29 (01:15:14):
So even there, we don't know for sure. I know
that you know that the big mainstream economists at the
IMF and the World Bank are a bit nervous about
the prospect of Trump winning, which you know, looks like
a pretty good chance.

Speaker 6 (01:15:28):
I guess you'd have to say.

Speaker 29 (01:15:30):
Just because of the unseund it could be good for
sheer markets, could be good for our Kiwi save but
they still expect a.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
Bit of a Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
It was great last time, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:15:41):
I mean they're not quite sure what it would be
predicated on so much this time, because he's talked about
big tax cuts again, but there is a possibility that
he just can't do them, partly for congre because he
might have Congress, but also because the deficit is so
huge in the United States, you get in that same
situation that Terresa May had in the in the UK,

(01:16:02):
which is that you're up against bond markets which absolutely
punish your economy if you start trying to do things
like cut taxes while you have a giant deficit. And
as you know, I think it was James Cavell Cavill,
Bill Clinton's advisor, once said, you know, the only thing
he'd ever want to come back as to be the
bond market because everybody is scared of it, and you

(01:16:22):
know that that could.

Speaker 10 (01:16:23):
Just stymy those plans. So it's a bit of skeptics
tax cuts.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
On the other hand, Liam, I mean it kind of counterintuitively,
Donald Trump actually is pretty good for world peace, right,
So isn't that actually weirdly good for us because if
you set settle down all those tensions, we benefit.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yeah, I mean it weirdly could be.

Speaker 29 (01:16:43):
Which if you think about our worst case scenario in
New Zealand, it's probably some sort of military action around Taiwan, right,
because we have to pick a side.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
And if it's more.

Speaker 29 (01:16:56):
Likely in that sort of scenario, which hopefully doesn't come
to that, that you'd have Donald Trump sitting down with
Jjun Ping or maybe deciding not to get involved or
something which should which potentially could make life easier for
New Zealand.

Speaker 22 (01:17:08):
But you know that's I guess.

Speaker 10 (01:17:11):
You know, big geopolitical stuff.

Speaker 17 (01:17:13):
It's hard.

Speaker 10 (01:17:14):
It's hard to know. I guess that's what gets me.

Speaker 29 (01:17:16):
It's all very very uncertain, including obviously the result, which
you know that we've got to.

Speaker 10 (01:17:23):
We're so close now that it's very.

Speaker 29 (01:17:24):
Hard for the polls to really tell us what's going
to happen in six counties and three different states.

Speaker 30 (01:17:29):
You know, it's crazy how tired it gets in America totally.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Liam, thanks very much for talking us through and appreciate
it is Liam Dan The Herald's Business editor at large.
I feel like I should explain myself when I say
Donald Trump is good for world peace. Donald Trump is
good for world peace because he's so unpredictable that world leaders.
But if you judge him in the last the last
time he was in power for four years, basically Putin
pulled his head in, right. Potin was doing all guys
of crazy stuff beforehand, when Obama was there, then Trump

(01:17:56):
was there, Putin pulled his head in. Then Biden came in.
Potin God has all out again. But because the trouble
is with Trumpy, you don't know what he's going to do.
The others are much more predictable because they're kind of
known quantity, aren't they. Where a Trumpy is so crazy
you don't know what he's going to do. And so
as a result, you would imagine that maybe Putin settles

(01:18:17):
on the Ukraine situation. Best case scenario, I suppose Xi
Jinping does nothing because he doesn't know what Trump's going
to do, and so everything just kind of it's not
a you know, it doesn't solve the problem. It just
kind of delays the problem. But for the period, solves
the problem just briefly by delaying it. Doesn't it anyway?
Talk to Jamie McKay next six to twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
The Rural Report on hither do for Sea Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Drive Jamie McKay host to the Countries with Us right now, Hey, Jamie,
can I hear that red meat prices they finally recovering?

Speaker 10 (01:18:49):
Are they?

Speaker 31 (01:18:50):
Well, they're coming off the bottom of the cycle, according
to Silver Fern Farms chief executive Dan Bolton. Interestingly, when
we crunch the August numbers from the Meat Industry Association,
their exports to China, as Trumpey would say, we're down
fifty percent to one hundred and seven million. But here's
the good news. Maybe short term. The United States was

(01:19:11):
again the largest market for New Zealand red meat in
August seven percent year on year increased to one hundred
and ninety eight million. What happens next week or after
next week, we don't know. So the poor old sheep
farmers either they've had a hell of a time. They're
not getting much or they weren't getting much for their lamb,
getting next to nothing for their wall. But lamb is

(01:19:32):
up about a dollar a kilo from this time twelve
months ago. We're starting to see some green shoots.

Speaker 22 (01:19:38):
I know you hate that word.

Speaker 31 (01:19:40):
In China due to the stimulus packages from the Chinese
government and silver firm Farms who's half owned by the Chinese,
is quite optimistic ahead of the new year, so Bolton
Dan Bolton went on to say, look, China's back in
the market. They're being competitive. But here's the interesting thing.
The Middle East growth for our red meat was just

(01:20:03):
eye watering, and the United States was absolutely firing on
all cylinders, pushing up farm gate price for ball beef.
So we literally cannot supply them enough beef at the
moment due to the drought they're having over there. So
better times ahead for the red meat industry.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
What about strong Wooll, Well, it's.

Speaker 31 (01:20:23):
Funny you ask that, Heather it it's been a dog
for a number of years. But maybe there's some light
at the end of the tunnel for strong Wallet. Today's
North Island Napier Sail. The Strong Wooll indicator was up
ten cents to its highest point in the past three seasons.
One hundred percent clearance rate, slightly lower exchange rate is

(01:20:44):
happening as well, and some of the commentary from PGG
Rights and Wallin I has read their report was that
some early U sharing is underway and the quality thus
far looks to be excellent. So all in all, those
two stories add up to a good news story for
sheep farmers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
Totally listen. Why isn't that broccoli might cost nine bucks ahead?
What's going on there? Yeah?

Speaker 31 (01:21:04):
Well, can you imagine that twenty seven dollars a kilo
nine dollars ahead. There's a new report out from the
New Zealand Institute of Economic Research which is warning fresh
vegetable prices could increase, possibly dramatically, if the government doesn't
move to provide a clear and workable regulatory pathway for

(01:21:24):
vegetable production. Now, I've quoted those numbers twenty seven dollars
a kilo for broccoli, nine dollars ahead, and those are
the potential vegetable production should I say, is cut by
twenty percent as a result of proposed regulations aimed at
reducing nitrogen runoffs. So this report draws on research estimating

(01:21:46):
that twenty percent reduction and vegetable supply should these regulations
come and could push vegetable prices up by at least
twenty percent, possibly one hundred percent. So yeah, we've got
to tread warily on that one. On the other problem
it's got with vegetables, ever, is that some of the
best vegetable growing land in this country it's now growing houses.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
A very good point, Jamie, Thanks very much, mate, Jamie McKay,
host of the Country Listen on. I gave you at
the very start of the program the economists prediction for
who's going to win the election, and now it's a
fifty to fifty dead heat, right, and then the polls
are basically saying consistently that it is tight. It is tight,
it is tight, it's fifty to fifty. That's not what
the betting odds are saying. Somebody's just pointed me to

(01:22:29):
sports bet Australia, which is betting side over there. Obviously
Trump is paying a dollar fifty, Harris is paying two
dollars fifty. And in the UK, Trump's odds are now
sixty two percent, Harris's odds are forty one percent. Gamblers
have put thirty thirty four million pounds on Harris and
forty nine million pounds on Trump, So the gamblers think

(01:22:50):
Trump's going to take it. Headline's next, whether.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
It's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all the
business hour with Heather Dupericy Allen and my HR the
HR solution for busy SMEs U Stogsby.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
And Brady's going to be with us out of the
UK in about ten minutes time. Listen, I think this
is interesting out of Australia. You know, they've just done
this final report into their COVID response. The guy who
was the former Deputy Chief Medical Officer Chap called Nick
Coatsworth has gone on Taly and apologized for the vaccine mandates.
He said having people lose jobs over those vaccine mandates

(01:23:40):
really did a road trust. This is a real issue
for Australia because you don't need ten percent of people
to lose trust in your vaccine program for it to
be a problem. It only needs to be somewhere between
one and five percent the vaccine mandates. I mean, I
think we're all starting. If you haven't already realized it,
you will probably realize it at some point. The vaccine
mandates were a terrible thing to do, and at some

(01:24:00):
stage I would like to see an apology in this
country for it as well, because we should never have
forced we should never have forced people to take something
they didn't want to take, even if we thought it
was for the better, even if we thought it was
good for them and good for us, shouldn't have forced
it twenty three away from seven Ever, do for ce Ellen,
Joe Rogan loves it. Gwyneth Paltrow loves it. Lewis Hamilton
loves it. I'm talking about ag one, which is a

(01:24:21):
billion dollar supplement company founded by a New Zealander Chris Ashington. Now,
the entrepreneur has quit as the chief executive and the
reason he's done that has come after a Newsroom investigation
challenged him on the company's revenues and claims that the
product has made in New Zealand. Now, Jonathan Milne is
Newsroom pros Managing editor and he and maker of the
Powder Keg podcast, which is what this is all about.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
It is with us.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Hey John, how are you doing very well? Thank you?
How did he get endorsements like this? I mean those
are massive names.

Speaker 30 (01:24:48):
Look, this company is like one of the biggest social
media operators in the world. Sorry, social influence are operators there.
There's stars in this in this arena, but you know
that kind of influence doesn't come cheap. And Rogan Huberman
they're getting millions from a One to endorse it. The
newo CEO of ag One herself says that they are

(01:25:10):
the third biggest ad spender in audio in the world.
So this is a massive, massive marketing spend.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Yeah, and it's massive overseas, but not here. Why is
it not here?

Speaker 30 (01:25:20):
Yeah, that's really interesting. That's actually one of the things
that piqued my interest about this in the first place,
because I found out about this guy. You know, my
wife played me this at this podcast and she said,
check out this ad, you know, made in New Zealand,
made for nearly everybody, and I'd never heard of it,
and it was made by this key we guy, And
I thought, well, this is absolutely fascinating. But when I

(01:25:42):
started digging a little bit, well, when he wouldn't front
for an interview, because you know what, big corporate doesn't
want to spreak their product on free media. When he
wouldn't front for an interview, I just started a few
journalistic alarm bells started to ring, and so I started
digging around a little bit further and found found in
the gazettes, the New Zealand Gazette, which never forgets, you know,

(01:26:05):
sort of this ancient record of journalism that records bad
stuff that be done for a very long time, and
I found out that he'd actually declared himself bankrupt, owing
three million dollars. I think that's why he doesn't market
his own product in New Zealand, even though it's made
in New Zealand and he boasts about it being made
in New Zealand. I think the reason that he doesn't

(01:26:26):
market it here is because he knows that that it's
going to come back to bite him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
But so what I mean, lots of people who've done
who go on to be very successful business people have
in the past been bankrupted.

Speaker 30 (01:26:36):
Yeah, And I agree absolutely, And I think everyone to
get a second chance, right. You know, we've all done
stuff we regret, we've all made mistakes, and we all
should be given a chance to go on. But what
he's gone on to do is try to spin his
way out and out of us and try to hide it.
And if it was a simple case that he had
done some bad stuff in the past, and he did
burn a lot of people, and I've talked to a

(01:26:56):
lot of people who got really bad, vulnerable people who
tried to get into their first homes and thought they
were on the property ladder, turned out he never handed
the data title over to them, so he did get convicted.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
It's not a decent bankruptcy.

Speaker 30 (01:27:09):
It's you know, it's not a good on a spankruptcy.
I don't know what that looks like. But you know,
I could even forgive them that if he said, I'm sorry,
I got it wrong, and I'll pay my reparations, because
you know what, I'm a multi millionaire now I will
pay one hundred and eighty two thousand dollars in fines
and reparations at the New Zealand courts ordered me to
pay to these people who are on the bones of

(01:27:31):
their ass and will never own their own home now
they're at retirement age or they're approaching retirement age. This
was their one chance to get on the property ladder
in South Auckland or in Viicago where he ran his schemes,
and it's never going to happen for them now. An apology.
He has now delivered an apology to them via a
statement to me. He has said he deeply apologized for

(01:27:53):
any hurt that was caused, but he refuses to talk
about that one hundred and eighty two thousand dollars in
fines and reparations that he that he's never paid.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
You also said that the stuff is made in New Zealand,
But it's not, is it? Look it is, Some of
it is, some of it is.

Speaker 30 (01:28:08):
There's a contract manufacturer that used to make all of
it and they have now cut back dramatically and shifted
a lot of that production to Utah in the United States.
So that's going to be hard for that manufacturing company.
And it also means that they've kept on since they
started doing that, shifting so much of their production to Utah,
they kept on marketing it is being made in New

(01:28:31):
Zealand for the subsequent two years until I asked questions
about it, and then they started pulling those ads. I
have talked to the Commerce Commission about this. They're not happy,
they've they've they're very hard line on companies marketing their
products as made in New Zealand or produced New Zealand
or from New Zealand when they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Yeah, for obvious reasons. Obvious reasons.

Speaker 10 (01:28:49):
You know New Zealand.

Speaker 30 (01:28:50):
You know our our image, our brand image a New
Zealanders is with billions of dollars in this country.

Speaker 10 (01:28:55):
We need to keep it clean.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Now, does the stuff work. Does it do what it
says it does?

Speaker 30 (01:28:59):
Like you said earlier, the scientific evidence just ain't there yet.

Speaker 10 (01:29:04):
I tried it, did you.

Speaker 30 (01:29:05):
Yeah, I went to great links to get a whole
lot shipped into the country by.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Looking a little unwell at the moment, I'm just joking.
I mean, I'm going to get sued now as well
for saying.

Speaker 9 (01:29:13):
That, just like you, I'm going to see you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
So I tell me, what does it taste like?

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
What is it like?

Speaker 30 (01:29:18):
I could tell you that that's that's like the sort
of that's the big unveil at the end. Yeah, all right,
taste that banana? Does taste that banana? It's actually quite nice.
It's really habit for me. I took it every morning
for a couple of months.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Why is it habit for me?

Speaker 30 (01:29:31):
It tastes nice and I don't really, I don't really
I get it.

Speaker 10 (01:29:35):
Yeah, I think.

Speaker 30 (01:29:36):
I get up early in the morning, you know, I
get up at three or four am to write a
morning newsletter. I make myself a big bloody pot of coffee,
a black coffee, and for two months I made myself
a shaker of age. You one and I have a
sort of side by side healthy coffee healthy coffee, and
it tasted good, and it was just a ritual and
I don't have breakfast for like six hours into my

(01:29:57):
day or something, and so it's just it was just
something that I could do that I enjoyed, and I
felt a little bit sad when I stopped taking it,
and that I mean, you laugh. But that habit forming,
that's absolutely critical to their business model. That and social influencers,
because they've got a subscription model and as you said,
as some of your listeners said, you can't buy it
in New Zealand, so and you can't buy it over

(01:30:20):
the counter anywhere, so people have to get it from
the company. And a monthly subscription costs a bomb one
hundred US dollars a month. If they're going to keep
people paying for that money and keep them on subscription,
they need to form a habit. It's critical to them.
Why did he quit looks He has not confirmed that
it was because of the questions we were asking. We

(01:30:41):
were asking some pretty robust questions about the level of
his disclosure of his criminal records. He did, but this
year he said that he didn't hadn't committed any crimes.
He said that he'd never had an arrest warrant issued
against him. He said that he'd paid all his fines
and reparations. Now we're able to demonstrate with court papers

(01:31:02):
that there's demonstrate demonstrably and couraged.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Demonstrably demonstras am start, then yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
I don't.

Speaker 30 (01:31:09):
I don't have to pronounce.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
It's totally wrong.

Speaker 30 (01:31:14):
Those three claims are wrong. And this was just a
few months ago in a big meeting that he had
with his staff. And presumably he's been saying board telling
us board the same thing. Now that can't go down
well when we're able to go back to them and say, actually,
here's the evidence that what you're telling your company now,
what you're telling your customers now, and what you're probably
telling your board now, I haven't set in on the
board meetings. I hastened to add, but it's not it's

(01:31:37):
not true.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Yeah, all right, what's the what's the podcast called.

Speaker 10 (01:31:40):
It's called powder Keg.

Speaker 30 (01:31:41):
It's on the Dove joannel from from newsroom, and I
just want to very quickly say thank you very much
to the Brian Gainer Initiatives. They helped fund the podcast
and without them we wouldn't have been able to do that.
So they're supporting publicans journalism. Yem.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Yeah, absolutely, JOHNO, thank you for coming and really appreciate
it and best of luck with it as Jonathan Mille
Newsroom pro managing it and the Powder Key and obviously
behind the Powder Key podcast will go to the UK
next quarter too.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
The Besting Hither the Sports Bets had Trump losing in
twenty six and then winning in twenty twenty, so that's
hardly a good record. Thanks for pointing that out. Thirteen
away from seven and into Brady a UK correspondence with
US ender.

Speaker 10 (01:32:26):
Hello, Hello, have they're great? Speak to you again?

Speaker 6 (01:32:29):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Was there anything in that budget that you were not expecting?

Speaker 10 (01:32:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:32:33):
I think the sheer scale of the tax rises. We
knew things were going up, but we didn't realize that
the tax burden will be going up by eighty billion
and z dollars. It's a huge, huge gamble by Rachel Reeves.
They're calling it the shock and awe budget because nobody
saw the scale of it, the ambition of it, and
look if she gets it right. As she pointed out

(01:32:54):
in her speech in Parliament, the prize is enormous, Britten
back on its feet again, services working a thriving economy,
and yet there will be some short term pain. But
I think what she's looking for is the impact of
this down the road, maybe three or four years, that
people can stop seeing a health service crumbling in front
of their eyes, that can start driving on roads that

(01:33:16):
aren't riddled with potholes, and we can kind of get
Britain moving again. Of course, the one big elephant in
the room that nobody ever mentions is Brexit, that has
bled money out of this country now for a decade.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
The problem that the only, I mean the major problem
that I can foresee here is that it is going
to do the very thing that you don't want to do,
which is dissuade investment. Right if you've got that capital
gains text going up. Is that any of you guys
worried about.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
That at all?

Speaker 10 (01:33:41):
Well, she doesn't seem to be.

Speaker 22 (01:33:42):
And the three words she repeated were invest, invest, invest,
So she wants people to come in and get going
and start pumping cash into Britain and look London certainly
and other cities still hugely attractive to foreign investors, so
I think give it time.

Speaker 10 (01:33:59):
The market have not in any way been spooked.

Speaker 22 (01:34:02):
I thought she spoke very well and a lot of
people were licking their lips really sarcastically at the little
dig she made at Sunac when she pointed out that
he's leader two more days until the Conservatives appointing new
leader Saturday. But Rachel Reves pointed out that the tax
on flying in private jets is going up by nine

(01:34:23):
hundred dollars, and she said that's on a flight to California,
and she looked directly at Sunac because he spends a
lot of time with his family in California. So there
were moments of humor, but I think all in all,
let's just wait and see if she can turn Britain around.

Speaker 14 (01:34:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Interesting have been starkesman. They must have been frightening for
his family.

Speaker 22 (01:34:43):
Yes, So he was in Pakistan playing cricket for England
and a gang of hoodlums turned up in masks, raided
the house, basically ripped jewelry from the family and crucially
as well, what's been taken is his Obe medal. Now
Ben Stokes has put a stay without just saying how
angry he is that this happened when his wife and
children were in the house in Durham, up in the

(01:35:05):
northeast of England and he was off playing cricket in
Pakistan representing his country. So shocking stuff and shame on them.
And one interesting point Stokes said, he's not interested in guns.
The items my family are find. What I'm interested in
and why I'm putting pictures of these items out is
for people to name who did this so the police

(01:35:27):
can catch them and no family has to go through
that again.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Quite now, Ryan Reynolds day, so he's he's brought to
be a company.

Speaker 22 (01:35:33):
Or bought some of he has, Yes, so this is
this is a wonderful story. You talk about investment and
foreign money coming into the UK. So a few years
ago Ryan Reynolds teamed up with his acting mate from Hollywood,
Ryan McIlhenny.

Speaker 10 (01:35:46):
They bought Wrexham Football Club.

Speaker 22 (01:35:48):
So Wrexham, it's a Welsh club in with Norris disrespect
to Wrexham or the people, a struggling town, an economically
depressed town.

Speaker 10 (01:35:57):
They came in.

Speaker 22 (01:35:58):
They bought the soccer team there were not league at
the time, in the fifth Division of English and Welsh soccer.
They've risen up and there are now two promotions away
from the Premier League, so Rexham are absolutely flying on
the soccer field. There is a local brewery and they've
decided now to buy that as well, so I think
in terms of jobs, growth, investment, the name Wrexham going

(01:36:20):
all over the world because of course that they have
this TV show Welcome to Wrexham, which is on all
the streaming services.

Speaker 10 (01:36:26):
It's very very good.

Speaker 22 (01:36:28):
I think a lot of towns and football clubs will
just be wondering where can we get our hands on
someone like Reynolds and his mate McIlhenny. But Rexham larger
will be going stateside.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Brilliant stuff. Hey, thank you so much and to talk
to you again next week. That's into Brady are UK correspondent. Hey,
if you're in Auckland and your trick trading with the kids,
I don't know if you still yeah still dielight you
can still be trick or treating. Sorry, this is only
for Auckland and I apologize to the rest of the country,
but it's because the Mowbrays live in Auckland, so you know,
a mate, Nick Mowbray and his partner Jamie no Nick,

(01:37:00):
the Zuru toy guy. They've got this house in Herne
Bay and then they're gonna knock it down, so they've
turned it into the Herne Bay Horror House.

Speaker 5 (01:37:09):
Go there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
It's open between five and up to eight o'clock this
evening and take the kids there. It's gonna freak them out.
It's gonna be a fun time if you're around the
Herne Bay area. And there's some free toys as well.
You're welcome eight away from seven, whether.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
It's Macro MicroB or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen
and my HR, the HR platform for sme used talksp.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
What about this? By the way, before we just got
to tell you this. Yesterday the courts in Auckland accidentally
released a convicted killer. Then they have to go back
and find him and put him back in jail. The
guy's name is Jay Wallace aka Moi Waahi. He's convicted
of manslaughter. He was waiting to be sentenced but basically
which means it definitely needs to be in jail. But
basically was appearing in court on the Manaco District called

(01:37:57):
on a separate and minor charge and was victed and
discharged on that charge, and then the court stuff wire
like oh you being discharged. Off you go, yep, off
you go, Off you go. And then at some point
someone was like, where's Moie? Why is he not come
back to jail, and they're like, oh no, not to
go find him. Fortunately, he'd gone back to one of

(01:38:18):
his usual haunts and so he was picked up without
incident by the police a few hours later and he
went back to jail. But the weird thing about it
is that this is the second time this has happened
this week. The day before on Tuesday, the Dunedin District
Court accidentally released someone as we as well. How weird
is that ends?

Speaker 12 (01:38:34):
I was going to say, I was about to make
some sort of joke about how you want to make
sure you get sentenced at the district Court in Monico,
But yeah, clearly if it's happening everywhere, Yeah, holiday by
does he Rascal to play us out tonight? I'm very
sorry to hear hither that the the hip hop concert
you went to yesterday didn't meet your standards musically, So
maybe we just need to like rewind maybe ten years earlier,
go see a naughties rapper?

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
Does he Rascal?

Speaker 12 (01:38:54):
He's performing in Auckland at the Town Hall on the
thirtieth of January. The pre sale tickets are on sale
and the general sale happens tomorrow on Ticketmaster.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
I'll tell you what okay last night, because last night
I was I was feeling sorry for myself. It was
a parrotechnic spectacle. Let's not lie. It was pretty amazing
to watch if I was feeling sorry for myself. But
the whole concert I was feeling sorry for Helen. I
just thought, poor Helen, Like, this is the loudest, most
annoying music I can possibly like, nonsense music. And I

(01:39:24):
know Helen loves her concert FM. So can you imagine
the contrast between the concert program and that nonsense that
was going on right outside?

Speaker 12 (01:39:34):
Well, I mean, if you turned up the Philarmmonia Orchestra
to a certain level, it would probably sound like that
as well. And I mean I'm sure they'd like some
fireworks at something.

Speaker 10 (01:39:41):
No.

Speaker 12 (01:39:41):
No, I mean, you know, you move next to a stadium.
I think that's fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
Yeah, I mean my concerns for Helen only went so far.
But I just I just hope that she'd gone out
for dinner or something, maybe gone to see her dad
and Corimandel or something, just to get away from that. Anyway,
good point, and it's just turn up the concert till
it basically distorts in the space, because then it sounds
exactly the same as Trevor Scott See you Tomorrow. News Talks.
It'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
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