Prime Minister Chris Luxon raised a few eyebrows after he called voters 'customers' in a sit-down interview.
Luxon later clarified to RNZ that he didn't need to scrap the corporate speak - and defended the claim that he was out of touch.
ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper says voters should be encouraged to expect things from politicians - and the terminology doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Barry so Per, senior political correspondence with US Barry, Hello,
tell me about this claim about the gang rate.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well, yeah, you've got to say. The Prime Minister was
harangued at his post cabinet news conference a few minutes ago.
It was about the police raid on the mongrel mob,
a mob and a portogy. Recently, the claim was made
that a three year old was left under tendered in
a house for several hours after the mother and the
grandmother were taken away by the police. Apparently, according to
(00:26):
the question or at the press conference, the police prevented
extended family members from getting to the child. Chris Luxon
says he'll look into it, but refuse to apologize for
the police raiding gangs.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And that's really really tragic. And I just said to
you before that's not acceptable. I get that, But equally
what's not acceptable yep, But what's also not acceptable. I've
said that, But what is also not acceptable. I want
you to be really clear about this is the gang
behavior is utterly unacceptable. But we said we had come
down on violent crime and that is why we're being
(00:59):
tough on game. Patches, assorting, consulting, aggravating factors are illegal.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Guns.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's what we're going after, and that's what the police
have new powers to deal with from the end of
the month, responsible for that violence for those we're incredibly challenging,
really unacceptable.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Get it.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I can't imagine for the life of me that if
the police knew there was a three year old unattended
in one of those houses they raised that they wouldn't
have sent somebody in for that child.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
How long are they supposed to have left the child?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Several hours? I do not, simply do not believe it,
but no doubt the story will unfold as a result
of that exchange. It is press confect just sort of interest.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Who was that having a crack at the pen?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I think I don't know. I think it was somebody
from one of the Maori challenge Interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Okay, cool, cool? Now what do you make of Chris
Luxon calling voters customers?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh? Honestly, he was asked whether he would do anything
differently a year on from his first term, and he
said that he maybe would say that maybe they haven't
moved fast enough in some areas, but he said he's
made mistakes. He could have expressed himself better. Luxon was
(02:13):
pulled up for the way he talks on in the
interview with Radio New Zealand that got him into trouble
with the Wokesters. Have a listen.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It's been a belief system of mine. If you don't
talk to the customer, to to the public, to the people,
the voters, and actually find out what their concerns are.
If you lose touch with the people, you actually don't
have a sense or a feel of what they need
you to deliver for them. I'm the fastest person to
get from entering politics to being Prime Minister. It means
that I come with a different set of skills and
it means that I'm also not going to be perfect
(02:42):
in my answers, and yes I need to work harder
unless corporate speak.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It doesn't worry me in the slightest that he sees
voters as customers. We are customers. I mean we should
be treated like customers and the customers never wrong, of course,
but you know, we should be seen as people who
are expecting something out of a government, and that is
a customer. It might be a voter as well, but
(03:08):
who cares about the terminology.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Also, I think he needs to stop apologizing for the corporates.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The corporate apologize.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That is who he authentically is. And this is his problem,
is that he's trying to kind of shared the real
Chris Luxon to create I think maybe what he thinks
the customer wants, But actually the customer already voted for that, Chris.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Lucen, you know, so he's delivering for the customer.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
He needs to stick with the corporate speak. That's the
one thing he's actually good at.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I agree, I don't disagree with it at all.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Now, what do you make of this case? It's been
dropped that the free speech alluded us to.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You've got all the Free Speech Union, Jonathan Ailing, he's
the chief executive. He said he was proud for the
union to have managed this case. In March this year,
a chap called Paul Burns spent Sunday, as he regularly does,
on Lampton Key, encouraging public debate on his anti abortion stance. Well,
(04:03):
he had one hundred dollar bills posted to one of
his play cards. When he was approached by some young
people willing to engage in the debate, one of them
said that abortion was.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Just but the one hundred dollar bills irrelevant because he's
offering one hundred dollars to someone who can argue against him. Yes,
that his abortion stance is wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yes, that's wrong, So that's right. So this young group
of young people came along and he turned the argument
around and he said that they said that they were
anti abortion, and he said, because the world was overpopulated.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Was okay, because we have to sorry, so the world.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Was overpopulated and anyway, he turned it around, and apparently
this got him arrested. He said, why don't you go
out and kill yourself? It was probably going a bit overboard,
but the police arrested him, initially on a fairly minor
charge of using offensive language. They upgraded it to disorderly
behavior and then moved on to a more aggravated form
of disorderly behavior. Today they withdrew the case in court,
(05:08):
and I think good on them, because that's what should
have been done. And speaking of a free speech hitter,
could any woman vote for this man? Never listened to
another outburst from Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Donald Palmer was all man. And I say that in
all due respect to women, and I love women. But
this guy, this guy, this is a guy that was
all man.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
This man was.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Strong and tough, and I refused to say it, but
when he took showers with the other pros they came
out of there, they said, oh my god, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I had to say it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Was he talking about his willing of course, let us
go married. It wants women to vote for him. For
more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen Life news Talks.
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
Barry so Per, senior political correspondence with US Barry, Hello,
tell me about this claim about the gang rate.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Well, yeah, you've got to say. The Prime Minister was
harangued at his post cabinet news conference a few minutes ago.
It was about the police raid on the mongrel mob,
a mob and a portogy. Recently, the claim was made
that a three year old was left under tendered in
a house for several hours after the mother and the
grandmother were taken away by the police. Apparently, according to
(00:26):
the question or at the press conference, the police prevented
extended family members from getting to the child. Chris Luxon
says he'll look into it, but refuse to apologize for
the police raiding gangs.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
And that's really really tragic. And I just said to
you before that's not acceptable. I get that, But equally
what's not acceptable yep, But what's also not acceptable. I've
said that, But what is also not acceptable. I want
you to be really clear about this is the gang
behavior is utterly unacceptable. But we said we had come
down on violent crime and that is why we're being
(00:59):
tough on game. Patches, assorting, consulting, aggravating factors are illegal.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Guns.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
That's what we're going after, and that's what the police
have new powers to deal with from the end of
the month, responsible for that violence for those we're incredibly challenging,
really unacceptable.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Get it.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I can't imagine for the life of me that if
the police knew there was a three year old unattended
in one of those houses they raised that they wouldn't
have sent somebody in for that child.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
How long are they supposed to have left the child?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Several hours? I do not, simply do not believe it,
but no doubt the story will unfold as a result
of that exchange. It is press confect just sort of interest.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Who was that having a crack at the pen?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I think I don't know. I think it was somebody
from one of the Maori challenge Interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Okay, cool, cool? Now what do you make of Chris
Luxon calling voters customers?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh? Honestly, he was asked whether he would do anything
differently a year on from his first term, and he
said that he maybe would say that maybe they haven't
moved fast enough in some areas, but he said he's
made mistakes. He could have expressed himself better. Luxon was
(02:13):
pulled up for the way he talks on in the
interview with Radio New Zealand that got him into trouble
with the Wokesters. Have a listen.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
It's been a belief system of mine. If you don't
talk to the customer, to to the public, to the people,
the voters, and actually find out what their concerns are.
If you lose touch with the people, you actually don't
have a sense or a feel of what they need
you to deliver for them. I'm the fastest person to
get from entering politics to being Prime Minister. It means
that I come with a different set of skills and
it means that I'm also not going to be perfect
(02:42):
in my answers, and yes I need to work harder
unless corporate speak.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It doesn't worry me in the slightest that he sees
voters as customers. We are customers. I mean we should
be treated like customers and the customers never wrong, of course,
but you know, we should be seen as people who
are expecting something out of a government, and that is
a customer. It might be a voter as well, but
(03:08):
who cares about the terminology.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Also, I think he needs to stop apologizing for the corporates.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
The corporate apologize.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That is who he authentically is. And this is his problem,
is that he's trying to kind of shared the real
Chris Luxon to create I think maybe what he thinks
the customer wants, But actually the customer already voted for that, Chris.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Lucen, you know, so he's delivering for the customer.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
He needs to stick with the corporate speak. That's the
one thing he's actually good at.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I agree, I don't disagree with it at all.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Now, what do you make of this case? It's been
dropped that the free speech alluded us to.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You've got all the Free Speech Union, Jonathan Ailing, he's
the chief executive. He said he was proud for the
union to have managed this case. In March this year,
a chap called Paul Burns spent Sunday, as he regularly does,
on Lampton Key, encouraging public debate on his anti abortion stance. Well,
(04:03):
he had one hundred dollar bills posted to one of
his play cards. When he was approached by some young
people willing to engage in the debate, one of them
said that abortion was.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Just but the one hundred dollar bills irrelevant because he's
offering one hundred dollars to someone who can argue against him. Yes,
that his abortion stance is wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yes, that's wrong, So that's right. So this young group
of young people came along and he turned the argument
around and he said that they said that they were
anti abortion, and he said, because the world was overpopulated.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Was okay, because we have to sorry, so the world.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Was overpopulated and anyway, he turned it around, and apparently
this got him arrested. He said, why don't you go
out and kill yourself? It was probably going a bit overboard,
but the police arrested him, initially on a fairly minor
charge of using offensive language. They upgraded it to disorderly
behavior and then moved on to a more aggravated form
of disorderly behavior. Today they withdrew the case in court,
(05:08):
and I think good on them, because that's what should
have been done. And speaking of a free speech hitter,
could any woman vote for this man? Never listened to
another outburst from Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Donald Palmer was all man. And I say that in
all due respect to women, and I love women. But
this guy, this guy, this is a guy that was
all man.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
This man was.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Strong and tough, and I refused to say it, but
when he took showers with the other pros they came
out of there, they said, oh my god, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I had to say it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Was he talking about his willing of course, let us
go married. It wants women to vote for him. For
more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen Life news Talks.
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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