November 5, 2024 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Phil O'Reilly from Iron Duke Partners and broadcaster Mark Sainsbury joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
It's Melbourne Cup day - what did we think of the big race? And more importantly, is a $10 office sweepstake too much?
Prime Minister Chris Luxon is under fire after apparently failing to look over his brief regarding bootcamp providers and their right to restrain young detainees. What do we make of this?
One more sleep to go until US election day - what are our final predictions? Will we even find out tomorrow night?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's the Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want to hear a bit of Lady Gaga here
you go.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Yes, very.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Fine. I don't know is that going to make you
want to go out and vote or are you just
going to be like I'm a it's a bit down.
Does fellow Riley iron Duke, partners of Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster
with us on the huddle? Hello you too? Hey don
yeh good, thank you? What do you reckon? Is ten
dollars too much? Phil for an off of sweepstake? Because
(00:36):
the reason I'm asking this it's not like a ten
dollar bet. This is a ten dollar lucky dip, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, I'm actually Astralian. I commission Heather and then they've
got five and ten dollars tickets in the sweep I've
just walked away from the excitement of the Melbourne Cup
to talk to you, more exciting, I know than the
Melbourn Cup function. But yeah, that's right. So five with
I reckontend's okay. I think nothing works, It's okay, And
if you don't want to do it in five fine
because it's not about the money, it's about the fun
(01:01):
and you know, having a bit of a steak in
the horses and there goes down the race course. My
tour is still running. Actually they're still coming, haven't aually finished? Yes,
it's just a it's just a bit of a contribution,
isn't it ever of fun? And as long as everyone's comfortable,
we should move on.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Totally says, So are you also out partying or did
no one invite you out?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
No?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
No, And here's the thing, Melbourn Cump used to be
such a big event. I think if you involved me
at something like the High Commission with fillers, or you're
doing Love for Sweet Steak, But if you're at home
being an American ellectioning tragic watching for the final addresses,
it just looked past.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And here's the annoying thing.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Had I gone to a party, or had I even
gone down to the tab I probably almost certainly would
have put a bet on the winner because it was
trained by Sheila Lackson. And so does this.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Rip your nicety that it was one hundred and fifty
one dollars?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I know, but that's because it's more around that. You know,
I didn't you don't feel compelled to go and have
a bet. It is around the social case of them, exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And if you're not involved in.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
That, you don't have a good look at the field
and you don't see your horse, you would have punted up.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh I'm so, I'm gutted for you. Now listen, okay,
fell onto something serious. Do you have a problem with
the use of force being extended beyond the boot campgate?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, this is a really complicated issue, isn't it. Because
a lot of the kids that will beyond that have
already experienced plants, and so you need to be very
cautious about how you play that out. But you know,
it's the classic of where you want to think it
through carefully and come up with a solution. And it's
just terrible for me to opine on one thing or
(02:38):
the other.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But this is a situation you have. These are the like,
literally the naughtiest kids in the country. So let's say
one of them they go nor horm had either staying
the night, somebody gets slippy to them, they start giving
the kid the bash. I mean, what we're talking about
here is is not spanking this child. It's literally the
ability to grab them and tackle them the ground and
(03:00):
stop them giving somebody else the bash.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Of course that's right, and if that's the case, that's
the case that it might be supported. My point is
that these kids are already damaged by violence anyway. Yeah,
so the last thing you want to do is just
carry that whole thing on, because that's the opposite of
a lot the whole boot camp experience is likely to be.
But at the same time here, of course you want
to make sure that you don't just give them a flower,
because that's not going to work there. So you've got
to have this middle way, which is what the cabinet
(03:23):
paper was all about. I suspect and what of course
our Prime Minister did not a great job of trying
to explain to Osking this morning.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, and we're going to come back to that, SAMs
I want your take. We'll get it after the break the.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the marketing
of your home.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Right, we're back with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury Fellow Rially
sames A. What do you think is it's okay to
allow these people to restrain these kids off their places
like might.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I, Well, the devil is always going to be in
the detail.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I mean, their argument is we have the rights to
restrain them when they're in the boot camp or in
any other sort of you customy situation.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It's when they're going to outside areas. So that's sort
of escheme out.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Well, you know, like as Phil says, it's these are
damaged kids, so you need to see what is the
you know, what are the guidelines, the regulations, the safeguards
around putting these you know, and they may be little
absolute whatevers, but they're still vulnerable kids outside the system
then under the care of other people. And I think
(04:22):
and it's just about I thought it was astonishing this morning.
Quite frankly, what was astonishing I thought Mike's interview.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh you think Luxeon's performance was astonishing?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, why, well just.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Because he just didn't seem it's just too loose, not
on top of it, wasn't aware of something that was
signed off at a meeting.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
He was cheering.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, Phil, I think this was really
bad for him. What do you think it.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Demonstrate that he's not yet a politician? Actually, when you
think about I mean you and you and Mark Will
both know that great politicians could have just flanneled their
way through that. With Osking this morning, they did just
come up with some lines and you know, blah blah,
and Hosking would have moved on to the next question,
to his credit lacks and tried to answer it. That's
a good thing. So he did try to answer it.
(05:06):
But of course the downside is he's not a politician.
Every politician knows you need to be on top of
all of that detail and you need minders who are
briefing you about that before you go in the room. Now,
clearly that didn't occur, and so he's just demonstrating, I think,
as an experience as a politician, and if he doesn't
get on top of that, it will cause them some damage.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But also even I think the problem starts even earlier
than trying to flannel his way through that interview, Phil,
I think the problem starts with when you are sitting
in the cabinet. You're sitting in cabinet and you are
making a decision about boot camps. You know, you're delivering
an apology on the state of the abuse and state
care stuff. You know this is going to be really
high up there and political risks for your government. The
(05:46):
boot camps are especially. You should pay attention to every
single decision that is being made around boot camps. Lock
it in your head and do not forget it because
it's high risk stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yes, completely agree. And what's more, you should, with your
political advisers in your press secretary, come up with a
line that ordinary people completely understand about why you're doing it.
That was that's the genius of great politicians like Allen
Clark and John Keith.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
And he doesn't have it yet.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And this is the thing, says, because you were around
during the Helen Clark years, I mean, heaven would not
have she would not have forgotten this.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
It's funny you say, you say that was when I
when I saw when I heard that, and I had
seen all the rest of the stories on it, the
first thing I thought was, jeep is it wouldn't have
happened ne to Helen Clark. I mean she was, I
mean she was always on top of absolutely anything. Or
as Phil says, if you're not, you know how to
get your way out of it.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean it was, yeah, it was, it was. It
was a classic.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It really was.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Now, Okay, so saying so you weren't doing the Melbourne Cup.
You were watching the rallies. Give me your last call
before tomorrow. Who wins it?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
See has head or heart stuff. But I'll tell you
what's buoyed me a bit. There was an Iowa poll
woman Amen Selza did that. Now Iowa was never in
the mix, all right, but it's shining a shift and
and this still comes back to them.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I think it's going to be the big slip.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Well it's been out there, but an underestimated issue, the
woman's rights to her own body issue is I think
is starting to say you.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Are wishful thinking? Aren't you? You a wishful thinking?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Right? Well, there's a bit of that. And but I
watched the Trump looks. He looks.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
If you prediclarly are purely on their demeanor and how
they look today, you'd think Harris was ten points ahead. Interesting,
Trump rambling, tired, didn't want to be there, The crowd
was muted.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, he is getting he's on the old side.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Phil, What do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
What's your final call?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Just a guess And if I was going to guess anything,
I guess Trump because I take the view that campaigns
win elections when they're that close, and I think Trump
said the bigger campaign. I haven't seen them today, Phil,
Are you still there?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Just just to have a look at your phone. You
may have muted yourself with your cheek. Yeah you've muted yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Done that. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I've got a that cheek. So it's just a guess,
isn't it. But if I was to choose anybody right now,
I just guess Trump because the argument might be that
campaigns win elections, and on that basis, he's had the
better campaign, I think. But I think Sains is right
in the sense that also turn out wins elections. As
the point of me, among a lot of people, the
(08:20):
polls are intentions to vote. Who's actually going to vote?
And I think I think actually Carmala Harris will get
her vote out and Trump may not. So it's a
knife edge, and we won't know what I suspect for
some time because there's going to be a lot of disputation.
But I get to pick Trump. But I kind of
hope for the sake of global geopolitics and the stability
of things, I kind of hope Harris. But I don't
(08:42):
hope Harris in the sense that she's going to be
any good for New Zealand. None of them are. Neither
of them are neither they're going to be great for
trade and the kinds of things we need. So it's
a you know, it's a bit of a moot point.
Who went from my perspective as a New Zealander?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, say so? Can I just give you credit for
your your real quick I've done that before, just to
help help a mate out.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
That was the.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I've got the bony ere and I'll be talking the
way to someone and then they're going hello, Hello, and
I'll look at my phone a bony bit of my
ear has hit the mute designed by Eple just to.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Catch hell whiskers.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Actually that doesn't Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Bony hard part of the whisker. Hey, guys, thanks very
much appreciated, fellow Riley Mark Sainsbury Hudd'll enjoy it tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
It's the Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local
and global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want to hear a bit of Lady Gaga here
you go.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Yes, very.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Fine. I don't know is that going to make you
want to go out and vote or are you just
going to be like I'm a it's a bit down.
Does fellow Riley iron Duke, partners of Mark Sainsbury Broadcaster
with us on the huddle? Hello you too? Hey don
yeh good, thank you? What do you reckon? Is ten
dollars too much? Phil for an off of sweepstake? Because
(00:36):
the reason I'm asking this it's not like a ten
dollar bet. This is a ten dollar lucky dip, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, I'm actually Astralian. I commission Heather and then they've
got five and ten dollars tickets in the sweep I've
just walked away from the excitement of the Melbourne Cup
to talk to you, more exciting, I know than the
Melbourn Cup function. But yeah, that's right. So five with
I reckontend's okay. I think nothing works, It's okay, And
if you don't want to do it in five fine
because it's not about the money, it's about the fun
(01:01):
and you know, having a bit of a steak in
the horses and there goes down the race course. My
tour is still running. Actually they're still coming, haven't aually finished? Yes,
it's just a it's just a bit of a contribution,
isn't it ever of fun? And as long as everyone's comfortable,
we should move on.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Totally says, So are you also out partying or did
no one invite you out?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
No?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
No, And here's the thing, Melbourn Cump used to be
such a big event. I think if you involved me
at something like the High Commission with fillers, or you're
doing Love for Sweet Steak, But if you're at home
being an American ellectioning tragic watching for the final addresses,
it just looked past.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And here's the annoying thing.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Had I gone to a party, or had I even
gone down to the tab I probably almost certainly would
have put a bet on the winner because it was
trained by Sheila Lackson. And so does this.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Rip your nicety that it was one hundred and fifty
one dollars?
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I know, but that's because it's more around that. You know,
I didn't you don't feel compelled to go and have
a bet. It is around the social case of them, exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And if you're not involved in.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
That, you don't have a good look at the field
and you don't see your horse, you would have punted up.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh I'm so, I'm gutted for you. Now listen, okay,
fell onto something serious. Do you have a problem with
the use of force being extended beyond the boot campgate?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Well, this is a really complicated issue, isn't it. Because
a lot of the kids that will beyond that have
already experienced plants, and so you need to be very
cautious about how you play that out. But you know,
it's the classic of where you want to think it
through carefully and come up with a solution. And it's
just terrible for me to opine on one thing or
(02:38):
the other.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But this is a situation you have. These are the like,
literally the naughtiest kids in the country. So let's say
one of them they go nor horm had either staying
the night, somebody gets slippy to them, they start giving
the kid the bash. I mean, what we're talking about
here is is not spanking this child. It's literally the
ability to grab them and tackle them the ground and
(03:00):
stop them giving somebody else the bash.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Of course that's right, and if that's the case, that's
the case that it might be supported. My point is
that these kids are already damaged by violence anyway. Yeah,
so the last thing you want to do is just
carry that whole thing on, because that's the opposite of
a lot the whole boot camp experience is likely to be.
But at the same time here, of course you want
to make sure that you don't just give them a flower,
because that's not going to work there. So you've got
to have this middle way, which is what the cabinet
(03:23):
paper was all about. I suspect and what of course
our Prime Minister did not a great job of trying
to explain to Osking this morning.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
No, and we're going to come back to that, SAMs
I want your take. We'll get it after the break the.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the marketing
of your home.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Right, we're back with the Huddle, Mark Sainsbury Fellow Rially
sames A. What do you think is it's okay to
allow these people to restrain these kids off their places
like might.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I, Well, the devil is always going to be in
the detail.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
I mean, their argument is we have the rights to
restrain them when they're in the boot camp or in
any other sort of you customy situation.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It's when they're going to outside areas. So that's sort
of escheme out.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Well, you know, like as Phil says, it's these are
damaged kids, so you need to see what is the
you know, what are the guidelines, the regulations, the safeguards
around putting these you know, and they may be little
absolute whatevers, but they're still vulnerable kids outside the system
then under the care of other people. And I think
(04:22):
and it's just about I thought it was astonishing this morning.
Quite frankly, what was astonishing I thought Mike's interview.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh you think Luxeon's performance was astonishing?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah, why, well just.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Because he just didn't seem it's just too loose, not
on top of it, wasn't aware of something that was
signed off at a meeting.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
He was cheering.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, Phil, I think this was really
bad for him. What do you think it.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Demonstrate that he's not yet a politician? Actually, when you
think about I mean you and you and Mark Will
both know that great politicians could have just flanneled their
way through that. With Osking this morning, they did just
come up with some lines and you know, blah blah,
and Hosking would have moved on to the next question,
to his credit lacks and tried to answer it. That's
a good thing. So he did try to answer it.
(05:06):
But of course the downside is he's not a politician.
Every politician knows you need to be on top of
all of that detail and you need minders who are
briefing you about that before you go in the room. Now,
clearly that didn't occur, and so he's just demonstrating, I think,
as an experience as a politician, and if he doesn't
get on top of that, it will cause them some damage.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But also even I think the problem starts even earlier
than trying to flannel his way through that interview, Phil,
I think the problem starts with when you are sitting
in the cabinet. You're sitting in cabinet and you are
making a decision about boot camps. You know, you're delivering
an apology on the state of the abuse and state
care stuff. You know this is going to be really
high up there and political risks for your government. The
(05:46):
boot camps are especially. You should pay attention to every
single decision that is being made around boot camps. Lock
it in your head and do not forget it because
it's high risk stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yes, completely agree. And what's more, you should, with your
political advisers in your press secretary, come up with a
line that ordinary people completely understand about why you're doing it.
That was that's the genius of great politicians like Allen
Clark and John Keith.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
And he doesn't have it yet.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And this is the thing, says, because you were around
during the Helen Clark years, I mean, heaven would not
have she would not have forgotten this.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
It's funny you say, you say that was when I
when I saw when I heard that, and I had
seen all the rest of the stories on it, the
first thing I thought was, jeep is it wouldn't have
happened ne to Helen Clark. I mean she was, I
mean she was always on top of absolutely anything. Or
as Phil says, if you're not, you know how to
get your way out of it.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
I mean it was, yeah, it was, it was. It
was a classic.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
It really was.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Now, Okay, so saying so you weren't doing the Melbourne Cup.
You were watching the rallies. Give me your last call
before tomorrow. Who wins it?
Speaker 5 (06:49):
See has head or heart stuff. But I'll tell you
what's buoyed me a bit. There was an Iowa poll
woman Amen Selza did that. Now Iowa was never in
the mix, all right, but it's shining a shift and
and this still comes back to them.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I think it's going to be the big slip.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Well it's been out there, but an underestimated issue, the
woman's rights to her own body issue is I think
is starting to say you.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Are wishful thinking? Aren't you? You a wishful thinking?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Right? Well, there's a bit of that. And but I
watched the Trump looks. He looks.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
If you prediclarly are purely on their demeanor and how
they look today, you'd think Harris was ten points ahead. Interesting,
Trump rambling, tired, didn't want to be there, The crowd
was muted.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, he is getting he's on the old side.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Phil, What do you reckon?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
What's your final call?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Just a guess And if I was going to guess anything,
I guess Trump because I take the view that campaigns
win elections when they're that close, and I think Trump
said the bigger campaign. I haven't seen them today, Phil,
Are you still there?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Just just to have a look at your phone. You
may have muted yourself with your cheek. Yeah you've muted yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Done that. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I've got a that cheek. So it's just a guess,
isn't it. But if I was to choose anybody right now,
I just guess Trump because the argument might be that
campaigns win elections, and on that basis, he's had the
better campaign, I think. But I think Sains is right
in the sense that also turn out wins elections. As
the point of me, among a lot of people, the
(08:20):
polls are intentions to vote. Who's actually going to vote?
And I think I think actually Carmala Harris will get
her vote out and Trump may not. So it's a
knife edge, and we won't know what I suspect for
some time because there's going to be a lot of disputation.
But I get to pick Trump. But I kind of
hope for the sake of global geopolitics and the stability
of things, I kind of hope Harris. But I don't
(08:42):
hope Harris in the sense that she's going to be
any good for New Zealand. None of them are. Neither
of them are neither they're going to be great for
trade and the kinds of things we need. So it's
a you know, it's a bit of a moot point.
Who went from my perspective as a New Zealander?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, say so? Can I just give you credit for
your your real quick I've done that before, just to
help help a mate out.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
That was the.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I've got the bony ere and I'll be talking the
way to someone and then they're going hello, Hello, and
I'll look at my phone a bony bit of my
ear has hit the mute designed by Eple just to.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Catch hell whiskers.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Actually that doesn't Yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Bony hard part of the whisker. Hey, guys, thanks very
much appreciated, fellow Riley Mark Sainsbury Hudd'll enjoy it tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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