David Seymour’s Treaty Principles Bill has been introduced to Parliament today, sparking protests outside the Beehive.
The Bill was introduced a full 11 days earlier than expected - and it proposed re-writing and codifying the key principals of the Treaty of Waitangi.
ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper says Seymour has launched an online campaign following the backlash and encouraged Kiwis to make their opinions heard.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Barris pasing your political correspondence with us A Barry.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Good afternoon, Heather. I've been brow beaten. I have over
the past twenty four hours, but you know I'm used
to it.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Have you resigned yourself to the outcome?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What a wonderful man Donald Trump is?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah? No, not that, oh wonderful man. Poor human being.
He's one, though, isn't he. It's quite funny, isn't it.
How are you feeling well?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It seems all the lea you've been to the.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Cardiac guy, just to check that everything's okay in there.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Okay, Now, listen, the Treaty Principal's Bill has made it
to Parliament and I imagine that this got quite heated today.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes it did. And of course protesters are out here
in Auckland and in Wellington and that's in preparation for
the Hikuoi next week and that will happen probably on
the day that it's first debated. I think it's next Thursday. Yeah,
it'll be first debated in Parliament. But the point that
David Seymour has been making, and I think it's a
good point that the White Tangi Tribunal have been able
(00:57):
to develop principles that have been used to justify the
actions that are contrary to the principle of equal rights,
and that's co governance and stuff like that. And either
Parliament can define them, which is what Parliament's role should be,
and certainly not the Waitangi Tribunal. And that's the whole
(01:18):
point of him trying to spell out what these principles are,
because they're written into many pieces of legislation and they're
based on interpretation of others as opposed to the lawmakers themselves.
And I think that, in fact, is a good way
to proceed. Basically, he says, the bill won't alter the
(01:40):
treaty itself, it will be used to assist the interpretation
of the legislation. And I say here here to that.
The Maori Party, though it attempted to have the bill
withdrawn as soon as it was tabled in Parliament this afternoon,
here's co leaders Rowery Way to Tea and Debiino Riwa Packer.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I seek leave to move a motion without notice and
without debate that this House honest to teity, await honey
and withdraws the Treaty Principal's Bill. Thought, is there any
objection there appears to the objection the introduction of the
Treaty Principal's Bill without consulting King Charles.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Is a sign of disrespect and brings the House into disrepute.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
What what's the point that she's making is that you
know the Crown should have been informed about I'm sure
King Charles would be right in the front of a
seat wanting to know exactly that what.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Was in the Treaty Principal's Bill. But the point that
was made by Jerry Brown and is absolutely true that
there is a speech from the Throne at the start
of every parliamentary session and the last one last year
was no exception, and the Treaty Principal's Bill was mentioned
in that. And if the Queen was sorry, the King
was interested, he would have been able to talk to
(02:55):
his Governor General here and got the low down on it.
And don't know whether there is taking that opportunity or
taken the opportunity to do that. But look, there was
a lot of tension in Parliament today. The speaker, your
old mate Helmet, he was there making a lot of
noise in the public glories. I understand that, and he
(03:16):
left sort of yelling and making faces at ministers in
Parliament David Seymour, though he's now launched an online campaign
now that the bill's been introduced, he's sitting at his
desk in Parliament and in a video he tells viewers
that every key we will have the chance to make
a submission on the bill, which is absolutely right. I
(03:38):
mean after it's debated next week, then it'll be open
to a Parliamentary Select Committee and the public will get
the opportunity to make submissions. He said. The committee process
will be open within days of the bill being debated
next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Ever, listen, everyone will have the chance to express their
opinion on this parliamentary bill without being shouted down or
told their view doesn't count. The bill's critics say that
this debate will be divisive, but I think they underestimate
New Zealand's ability to have constructive conversations on fundamental issues
like democracy and equal political rights. For my part, I
(04:15):
think each of us is united by universal humanity, the
same inherent dignity for each person. That's what's driven all
the good movements in human history.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, and so it's a very slick campaign and what
he's hoping to do is to get people to respond
to it. I mean I got an email about it
today and to support the bill. So he's trying to
sort of go, if you like, above Parliament and to
appeal to the public to have their.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Say really quickly. Barry, we don't have a lot of
time but seek Trump. We haven't talked enough about ka
Rudd just got busted. Kevin Rudd, Ambassador to the US
for Australia, just got busted with a whole bunch of
nasty tweets about Trump. At least this time we're more prepared,
right oh.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Now, Winston Seas were absolutely prepared. And he told Parliament
that this afternoon there was a funny side by to
it that Trump did well as we know of the
Latino vote, but Peters wasn't doing well with Ricardo Mendiz March,
who hails from Mexico and who barracked him in parliament.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Ever listened to this.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
This is not the first time that I am subjected
to this kind of pretty or verte type of behavior,
and I take personal offense to my hanches the current
and note that it is incredibly unstatements like from the
Deputy Prime Minister, the acting Prime Minister.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
We cannot have these members so sensitive. All I said
was in Spanish. All I said in Spanish was goodbye,
my friend. But he's offended by that. Oh, for goodness sake,
we have a very diverse parliament.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
There's a bit of Trumpian behavior goes on with Winston
at times.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Interesting, interesting, very so for senior political correspondent. Actually, Winston's
with us just after five.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
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Barris pasing your political correspondence with us A Barry.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Good afternoon, Heather. I've been brow beaten. I have over
the past twenty four hours, but you know I'm used
to it.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Have you resigned yourself to the outcome?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
What a wonderful man Donald Trump is?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yeah? No, not that, oh wonderful man. Poor human being.
He's one, though, isn't he. It's quite funny, isn't it.
How are you feeling well?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It seems all the lea you've been to the.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Cardiac guy, just to check that everything's okay in there.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Okay, Now, listen, the Treaty Principal's Bill has made it
to Parliament and I imagine that this got quite heated today.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes it did. And of course protesters are out here
in Auckland and in Wellington and that's in preparation for
the Hikuoi next week and that will happen probably on
the day that it's first debated. I think it's next Thursday. Yeah,
it'll be first debated in Parliament. But the point that
David Seymour has been making, and I think it's a
good point that the White Tangi Tribunal have been able
(00:57):
to develop principles that have been used to justify the
actions that are contrary to the principle of equal rights,
and that's co governance and stuff like that. And either
Parliament can define them, which is what Parliament's role should be,
and certainly not the Waitangi Tribunal. And that's the whole
(01:18):
point of him trying to spell out what these principles are,
because they're written into many pieces of legislation and they're
based on interpretation of others as opposed to the lawmakers themselves.
And I think that, in fact, is a good way
to proceed. Basically, he says, the bill won't alter the
(01:40):
treaty itself, it will be used to assist the interpretation
of the legislation. And I say here here to that.
The Maori Party, though it attempted to have the bill
withdrawn as soon as it was tabled in Parliament this afternoon,
here's co leaders Rowery Way to Tea and Debiino Riwa Packer.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I seek leave to move a motion without notice and
without debate that this House honest to teity, await honey
and withdraws the Treaty Principal's Bill. Thought, is there any
objection there appears to the objection the introduction of the
Treaty Principal's Bill without consulting King Charles.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Is a sign of disrespect and brings the House into disrepute.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
What what's the point that she's making is that you
know the Crown should have been informed about I'm sure
King Charles would be right in the front of a
seat wanting to know exactly that what.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Was in the Treaty Principal's Bill. But the point that
was made by Jerry Brown and is absolutely true that
there is a speech from the Throne at the start
of every parliamentary session and the last one last year
was no exception, and the Treaty Principal's Bill was mentioned
in that. And if the Queen was sorry, the King
was interested, he would have been able to talk to
(02:55):
his Governor General here and got the low down on it.
And don't know whether there is taking that opportunity or
taken the opportunity to do that. But look, there was
a lot of tension in Parliament today. The speaker, your
old mate Helmet, he was there making a lot of
noise in the public glories. I understand that, and he
(03:16):
left sort of yelling and making faces at ministers in
Parliament David Seymour, though he's now launched an online campaign
now that the bill's been introduced, he's sitting at his
desk in Parliament and in a video he tells viewers
that every key we will have the chance to make
a submission on the bill, which is absolutely right. I
(03:38):
mean after it's debated next week, then it'll be open
to a Parliamentary Select Committee and the public will get
the opportunity to make submissions. He said. The committee process
will be open within days of the bill being debated
next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Ever, listen, everyone will have the chance to express their
opinion on this parliamentary bill without being shouted down or
told their view doesn't count. The bill's critics say that
this debate will be divisive, but I think they underestimate
New Zealand's ability to have constructive conversations on fundamental issues
like democracy and equal political rights. For my part, I
(04:15):
think each of us is united by universal humanity, the
same inherent dignity for each person. That's what's driven all
the good movements in human history.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, and so it's a very slick campaign and what
he's hoping to do is to get people to respond
to it. I mean I got an email about it
today and to support the bill. So he's trying to
sort of go, if you like, above Parliament and to
appeal to the public to have their.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Say really quickly. Barry, we don't have a lot of
time but seek Trump. We haven't talked enough about ka
Rudd just got busted. Kevin Rudd, Ambassador to the US
for Australia, just got busted with a whole bunch of
nasty tweets about Trump. At least this time we're more prepared,
right oh.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Now, Winston Seas were absolutely prepared. And he told Parliament
that this afternoon there was a funny side by to
it that Trump did well as we know of the
Latino vote, but Peters wasn't doing well with Ricardo Mendiz March,
who hails from Mexico and who barracked him in parliament.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
Ever listened to this.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
This is not the first time that I am subjected
to this kind of pretty or verte type of behavior,
and I take personal offense to my hanches the current
and note that it is incredibly unstatements like from the
Deputy Prime Minister, the acting Prime Minister.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
We cannot have these members so sensitive. All I said
was in Spanish. All I said in Spanish was goodbye,
my friend. But he's offended by that. Oh, for goodness sake,
we have a very diverse parliament.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
There's a bit of Trumpian behavior goes on with Winston
at times.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Interesting, interesting, very so for senior political correspondent. Actually, Winston's
with us just after five.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on IHEARTRADI O
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