November 14, 2024 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Auckland Councillor Richard Hills and Infrastructure NZ CEO Nick Leggett joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
A lot of drama in the House as Te Pāti Māori disrupted the first reading of the Treaty Principles Bill with a haka. What do we make of this?
The IRD is cracking down on overseas student debtors - and called in the collectors. Is this a good move?
Air New Zealand has launched their latest safety video starring Steven Adams and Tom Sainsbury and other big Kiwi names. Is this a good idea - or a waste of money?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hither. You're a confirmation biased type of person. Aren't you
only read out texts that arelign to your thinking. I'm
sick of it. Not everyone is on your side. I
want to hear a robust and diverse conversation, not just
you going on and on about your own views. Well,
happy for you. The huddle is here, nineteen away from
six the huddle.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global exposure
like no other.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And on the huddle with two people who are one
hundred percent disagree with me on this. We have Richard
Hill's aalking counselor, and Nick Leggett Infrastructure, New Zealand. Hello
you too, Cure. Hello, okay Richard. Did you see the
carry on in the house today?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yes, I watched it on the way here. Thoughts Well,
it's just a continuation of the face of this whole
waste of six months is I mean, the government can't
expect the opposition to just lay down and pretend like
this is not weird when the Government's like, we don't
support this at all, but we're going to make you
all sit here and waste time and money debating something
that's never gone.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm getting a lot of texts from people who are
really upset with how that played out in the House
today with the hakka and the disruption and stuff. Did
that upset you or were you like not actually fair enough?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I guess the whole rules of debate are out the
window when you're forcing everyone to sit there and debate
something that the government has said they don't support, but
they're making us go through it and getting people upset
and offside, but like, they're not going to support it,
but we have to sit there.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And because you're a labor guy, right so, I know
this is going to play really well for the Maori
Party voter base and some in the Green Party voter base.
How's it going to play for the Labor Party voter base?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I think probably the voter base of the country looks
at Parliament today and maybe all days at the moment
and thinks, what a waste of time and money? What
are they doing? This is just another continuation of the mess.
But I don't necessarily blame people for acting up when
it is a ridiculous situation they're all being put in.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Right now, Mack, tell me what you make of the
NAT's argument for why they're not supporting this bill.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, you could argue it's m MP in action, but
I think the issue is I'm less concerned about the
waste of time or money. It's more the division that
this creates needlessly. Why have a debate that allows extremes,
(02:16):
you know, reacting to one another and you know, and
playing to their respective bases when I suspect most Kiwis
are not of either on either side, but actually want
a functioning, evolving treaty relationship that's based on partnership and both.
(02:36):
You know that bipartisan agreement between you know, across successive
governments has been built up over decades, and this takes
us backwards. This debate takes us backwards. And you know,
you don't sort out nationhood by a referendum. You continue
to have good dialogue. You disagree, absolutely, but it also
(03:00):
raises for me. You know, I think that we haven't
defined that the treaty, we haven't defined well enough. Think
the treaty has actually got a place for everybody. It's
why we're all here. And so much of the treaty
discussion plays out as it's just for Marty, when an
actual fact, every New Zealander has a place under the treaty,
(03:20):
and I think a lot of non Marty feel alienated
from that, and so we've got to do a better
job at bringing them together. This bill doesn't do that,
and frankly, the political leadership that we've seen on display
from all sides doesn't really do that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Ut So the problem, the problem that the Nats have
got is that what you see today drives up the
acts Party vote, and it drives up the Marty Party vote,
and it actually, if you assume that there's just a
transactional vote movement there, it actually drives down the National
Party vote, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah? Absolutely, well, yeah, yeah, And that's I mean, I'm
I believe in a strong center of politics and that's
not that's not a dollar ea. That means that you
can pull you know, you can bring from both sides
and pull something together and get some cooperation. But we
(04:10):
haven't seen that unfortunately, and not just from National But
I think that I don't think Labor, for instance, explained
three waters and what they meant by co governance. Well enough.
Now I've worked in with in co governance situations. Proudly.
It can and it does work, but you've got to
take people with you. You've got to take both treaty
(04:32):
partners with you. And so what we haven't seen, we
haven't had courageous discussions from the central center live the party.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I think that I think that's the very fair point
there is that we've been we've had the eck about it,
we've not talked about it, and now that we're talking
about it, we're shouting.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
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of your home.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Right, you're back with a huddle Richard Hill's and Nick Leggett. Richard,
I'm loving the IID crackdown on the kiwis overseas not
paying their bills. What about you?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, I mean I've got a bit of sympathy for
you know, young people that go over for a kentickie
and a holiday and a year or two you know,
gap year and get charged interest. You know, maybe there
needs to be a bit more chilled vibes there. But
I was quite surprised when it's people in their forties
and fifties over there with big bills, you know, like
obviously I would love if we were if you paid
(05:21):
YOURLS down. Yeah, I did a celebratory, don't you.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Think, like as people in our forties, now we've paid
the thing down and then you look at those guys
over there not paying it down all grimes McGee's quite a.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Big number two like, so I will obviously love it.
If we were like the generations above us who got
free education, that would be nice, but we didn't. And
I think interest free is a pretty good deal. So
it is surprising to see. But I guess the ID
it's quite a lot of money they're spending on getting
the money too, so I think they need to make
sure they're not overspending for the well.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Here yeah, return on investment, think Nick, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I mean, look, the country is in a really tight
school corner at the moment. I guess that's also what
concerns me about the last thing we discussed. We actually
want a government focused on building the economy, improving health
and education. And you know they've got they've got to
pull back some money from wherever they can get it.
So I think that's important. But I think that's right
(06:19):
as well. You know, what is there a return on
the money being spent? You know, is it worth chasing
people in this waleor do we wait and pin them
until they come back when they come back into the country.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Hey, Nick, what about them coming back into the country,
one hundred and fifty of them, and then we're going
to arrest them and not let them leave again. That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't think that's what I was suggesting.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh well, I just love that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean, I laugh at the iodeare taking this serious.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You would march them to the ATM, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I would, and I'd make them empty out all their
money and then give it to us and then be like, oh,
sorry if you can't buy bread now because you did that,
But at least we've got our dollars back. Did you
mind the New Zealand video?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Nick, Well, I fly a lot, so I do have.
I get quite intimate with these videos and they are
painful after a while, so quite I welcome the new one.
I really like Steven Adams and I really like Tom Sainsbury,
so that's good. But if you fly as off one
(07:15):
as I do, we as them. And I was really
interested in Greg saying that this is a short one
because I've only seen it on the YouTube, but it
was like four minutes. Please get it over and done with.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It took long please Yeah, yeah, seven seconds.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Short attention, short attention spans these days.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, totally. What did you think, Richard? Oh yeah, I
mean I think as I get older, which is a
bit said, I'm starting to get a little bit annoyed
with it. But I do think it's more like Bob Jones. Yeah,
I think. I think I used to be very defensive
of them, but I understand why people get annoyed. But
I think for visitors, for people that they're trying to
show the brand. It is classically New Zealand, and I
think it does show parts of the country and our
(07:55):
people in a way that it's hard to get people
to read that magazine or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It is a good way, but sometimes it is a
bit like what was the safety message?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, sometimes I don't. I have to read the little
card to remind myself where the life jacket is, Richard.
Was the Coldplay show last night the best show you've
ever been to?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think it was the best show, the best show
you've ever been to. I couldn't comment, but it's it's
a big it's a high bar, but it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It was in lieu of another answer, it was the best.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Show you've ever been to, the best show I've ever
been to. It was fantastic. And to see all those people.
I took the train and the bus back and people
were buzzing. The city was full, people were positive, people
were using the fan trail, and that's going to happen
on Friday and Saturday too, So big for the city.
Great to have them here, and the hotels are full,
and it's yeah, it's just nice when these things happen.
After pel Jam last weekend as well.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Absolutely, Hey, thank you both. I really appreciate it. Richard
Hill's Nick Leggett.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
Hither. You're a confirmation biased type of person. Aren't you
only read out texts that arelign to your thinking. I'm
sick of it. Not everyone is on your side. I
want to hear a robust and diverse conversation, not just
you going on and on about your own views. Well,
happy for you. The huddle is here, nineteen away from
six the huddle.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
With New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and global exposure
like no other.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And on the huddle with two people who are one
hundred percent disagree with me on this. We have Richard
Hill's aalking counselor, and Nick Leggett Infrastructure, New Zealand. Hello
you too, Cure. Hello, okay Richard. Did you see the
carry on in the house today?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yes, I watched it on the way here. Thoughts Well,
it's just a continuation of the face of this whole
waste of six months is I mean, the government can't
expect the opposition to just lay down and pretend like
this is not weird when the Government's like, we don't
support this at all, but we're going to make you
all sit here and waste time and money debating something
that's never gone.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I'm getting a lot of texts from people who are
really upset with how that played out in the House
today with the hakka and the disruption and stuff. Did
that upset you or were you like not actually fair enough?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I guess the whole rules of debate are out the
window when you're forcing everyone to sit there and debate
something that the government has said they don't support, but
they're making us go through it and getting people upset
and offside, but like, they're not going to support it,
but we have to sit there.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And because you're a labor guy, right so, I know
this is going to play really well for the Maori
Party voter base and some in the Green Party voter base.
How's it going to play for the Labor Party voter base?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I think probably the voter base of the country looks
at Parliament today and maybe all days at the moment
and thinks, what a waste of time and money? What
are they doing? This is just another continuation of the mess.
But I don't necessarily blame people for acting up when
it is a ridiculous situation they're all being put in.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Right now, Mack, tell me what you make of the
NAT's argument for why they're not supporting this bill.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, you could argue it's m MP in action, but
I think the issue is I'm less concerned about the
waste of time or money. It's more the division that
this creates needlessly. Why have a debate that allows extremes,
(02:16):
you know, reacting to one another and you know, and
playing to their respective bases when I suspect most Kiwis
are not of either on either side, but actually want
a functioning, evolving treaty relationship that's based on partnership and both.
(02:36):
You know that bipartisan agreement between you know, across successive
governments has been built up over decades, and this takes
us backwards. This debate takes us backwards. And you know,
you don't sort out nationhood by a referendum. You continue
to have good dialogue. You disagree, absolutely, but it also
(03:00):
raises for me. You know, I think that we haven't
defined that the treaty, we haven't defined well enough. Think
the treaty has actually got a place for everybody. It's
why we're all here. And so much of the treaty
discussion plays out as it's just for Marty, when an
actual fact, every New Zealander has a place under the treaty,
(03:20):
and I think a lot of non Marty feel alienated
from that, and so we've got to do a better
job at bringing them together. This bill doesn't do that,
and frankly, the political leadership that we've seen on display
from all sides doesn't really do that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Ut So the problem, the problem that the Nats have
got is that what you see today drives up the
acts Party vote, and it drives up the Marty Party vote,
and it actually, if you assume that there's just a
transactional vote movement there, it actually drives down the National
Party vote, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah? Absolutely, well, yeah, yeah, And that's I mean, I'm
I believe in a strong center of politics and that's
not that's not a dollar ea. That means that you
can pull you know, you can bring from both sides
and pull something together and get some cooperation. But we
(04:10):
haven't seen that unfortunately, and not just from National But
I think that I don't think Labor, for instance, explained
three waters and what they meant by co governance. Well enough.
Now I've worked in with in co governance situations. Proudly.
It can and it does work, but you've got to
take people with you. You've got to take both treaty
(04:32):
partners with you. And so what we haven't seen, we
haven't had courageous discussions from the central center live the party.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I think that I think that's the very fair point
there is that we've been we've had the eck about it,
we've not talked about it, and now that we're talking
about it, we're shouting.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevated Marketing
of your home.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Right, you're back with a huddle Richard Hill's and Nick Leggett. Richard,
I'm loving the IID crackdown on the kiwis overseas not
paying their bills. What about you?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, I mean I've got a bit of sympathy for
you know, young people that go over for a kentickie
and a holiday and a year or two you know,
gap year and get charged interest. You know, maybe there
needs to be a bit more chilled vibes there. But
I was quite surprised when it's people in their forties
and fifties over there with big bills, you know, like
obviously I would love if we were if you paid
(05:21):
YOURLS down. Yeah, I did a celebratory, don't you.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Think, like as people in our forties, now we've paid
the thing down and then you look at those guys
over there not paying it down all grimes McGee's quite a.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Big number two like, so I will obviously love it.
If we were like the generations above us who got
free education, that would be nice, but we didn't. And
I think interest free is a pretty good deal. So
it is surprising to see. But I guess the ID
it's quite a lot of money they're spending on getting
the money too, so I think they need to make
sure they're not overspending for the well.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Here yeah, return on investment, think Nick, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I mean, look, the country is in a really tight
school corner at the moment. I guess that's also what
concerns me about the last thing we discussed. We actually
want a government focused on building the economy, improving health
and education. And you know they've got they've got to
pull back some money from wherever they can get it.
So I think that's important. But I think that's right
(06:19):
as well. You know, what is there a return on
the money being spent? You know, is it worth chasing
people in this waleor do we wait and pin them
until they come back when they come back into the country.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Hey, Nick, what about them coming back into the country,
one hundred and fifty of them, and then we're going
to arrest them and not let them leave again. That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't think that's what I was suggesting.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh well, I just love that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I mean, I laugh at the iodeare taking this serious.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You would march them to the ATM, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I would, and I'd make them empty out all their
money and then give it to us and then be like, oh,
sorry if you can't buy bread now because you did that,
But at least we've got our dollars back. Did you
mind the New Zealand video?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Nick, Well, I fly a lot, so I do have.
I get quite intimate with these videos and they are
painful after a while, so quite I welcome the new one.
I really like Steven Adams and I really like Tom Sainsbury,
so that's good. But if you fly as off one
(07:15):
as I do, we as them. And I was really
interested in Greg saying that this is a short one
because I've only seen it on the YouTube, but it
was like four minutes. Please get it over and done with.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
It took long please Yeah, yeah, seven seconds.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Short attention, short attention spans these days.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, totally. What did you think, Richard? Oh yeah, I
mean I think as I get older, which is a
bit said, I'm starting to get a little bit annoyed
with it. But I do think it's more like Bob Jones. Yeah,
I think. I think I used to be very defensive
of them, but I understand why people get annoyed. But
I think for visitors, for people that they're trying to
show the brand. It is classically New Zealand, and I
think it does show parts of the country and our
(07:55):
people in a way that it's hard to get people
to read that magazine or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It is a good way, but sometimes it is a
bit like what was the safety message?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, sometimes I don't. I have to read the little
card to remind myself where the life jacket is, Richard.
Was the Coldplay show last night the best show you've
ever been to?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I think it was the best show, the best show
you've ever been to. I couldn't comment, but it's it's
a big it's a high bar, but it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It was in lieu of another answer, it was the best.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Show you've ever been to, the best show I've ever
been to. It was fantastic. And to see all those people.
I took the train and the bus back and people
were buzzing. The city was full, people were positive, people
were using the fan trail, and that's going to happen
on Friday and Saturday too, So big for the city.
Great to have them here, and the hotels are full,
and it's yeah, it's just nice when these things happen.
After pel Jam last weekend as well.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Absolutely, Hey, thank you both. I really appreciate it. Richard
Hill's Nick Leggett.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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