November 19, 2024 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from Maxim Institute and Ali Jones from Red PR joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
After nine days, the hīkoi made it to Wellington, with 55,000 people marching on Parliament to protest the Treaty Principles Bill. The protest was peaceful - but will it be a success?
Shane Jones and David Seymour have called for harsher punishments for MPs who misbehave in Parliament off the back of last week's infamous haka in the House. Do we need tougher standards in Parliament?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
This evening Allie Jones, Red pr and Tim Wilson of
the Maximum Institute. Hire you two, Hi, Bo Hi?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
There?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Are you planning the old big summer trip down State
Highway one?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Then?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Tim?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Not after that conversation. Yeah, you know what I want
to know. It's like, why four years? Four years worth
of work? Who did it get to four years? Why
did they wait? What's the explanation?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's four years of potholes that you can just instead
of instead of have I thought it was just future
proving instead of having four years worth of potholes, you
fix it now and then you don't have them for
four years.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
No, I took it the other way around. I'm taking
it the way that Tim's saying. I think it's deferring maintenance.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Tim.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
That's what local government, central government does to save money. Well,
you know, in any one year, they defer maintenance.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Okay, So it's pretty run of the mill stuff. And
even if you did do the trip, Tim, with four children,
what have you got? Have you got yourself a van
or something? Now? Timmy? You there, Tim you've muted yourself. Jeez, honestly, what.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
A dad sick of the sound of his own voice?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, isn't he?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Anyway, where we go, I had one of them that
must have been you never give a phone to a
child during a huddle.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, Oh yeah, no, you blame the children. Yeah, that's
really cool of you, guy.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That's why.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's why you have four You've got four excuses running.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And also it took you such a long time to
take the phone away from your face and unmuted. Did
you forget where the mute button was?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I had to climb a tree first, all right?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Okay, now listen Ali having a look at the he
coy on on on the metric of numbers and how
peaceful it was. That was a success, wasn't it? Absolutely
it was a success.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I've heard varying figures thirty five, forty five, fifty five.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Thousand, why stop there?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yeah, that's right. It'll be one hundred thousand by six o'clock,
I tell you. But I think that's significant. I think
the numbers none of the nonsense that we've seen before,
and I think that's made a huge difference. What's not
to like about this? This was people exercising their democratic right,
being passionate about their heritage, standing up for something that's
really important to them, that they believe in, and it
was all done. I haven't heard any arrest numbers or
(02:11):
anything like that, but it seems to have been done
very peacefully.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And yet because of that, Timid feels like a fizzer.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I heard you saying that. I think you've got
You're onto something there. In terms of the momentum that
was established by the Harker in Parliament, that's seven hundred
million views and this I want to see how it
plays out during that Select Committee hearing. So it's one
thing to hold an amazing event, and I've got to
say civility was the winner at the end of the day.
You compare it that much with say Minneapolis downtown Minneapolis
(02:41):
and twenty twenty with Black Lives Matter. I love how
we transact and negotiate racial issues. I think we're actually
we should put ourselves on the back. It's just how
do you keep the momentum going.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I didn't take what do you like about the way
that we transact and discuss racial issues.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
In our country? It's an argument within the family. So
because the high rates of intermarriage between mary and non mary.
But in the United States, it's a fight between two
families and it's better.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But you're not.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Worried that it's going to get because this is the
thing that we keep hearing, is that this is going
to get really ugly before it's over.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, that does concern me, And particularly when you look
at you've got two minor parties who have seen a
big and essentially they're vying for the constituency of the
major parties. I'd send the two losers here are Labor
and National and they have been galvanized, galvanized and mobilized.
So yeah, we'll probably see more of this. And what
makes an effect. What made the effect was the hark
(03:35):
of the RW breaking stuff. I wonder how much effect
this will have.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
What do you make Ali of David Seymour going out
and then getting booed back in.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
The highly predictable I mean, what would you expect people
going to come up and give them a hug. I
don't think that was going to happen, and it didn't,
and he deserved it to be frank.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Why did he deserve it? Well?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Because oh no, actually that's wrong. I shouldn't have said,
and I shouldn't have said that he stood.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You are you're going down the path? That will one
warning about it? Get right.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
It as irrational and it's really emotional because I just
find him so bloody annoying to be frank, and so
I take that back. He came out, he stood up, and.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
He spoke, and he should get credit for that.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
However, you know it was going to be hostile crowd.
He was never going to be well received, Elliott.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I think David Seymour. David Seymour does he does like
a disagreeable crowd, and so there is there is something
of that there, let's say, and I guess to that
to that end, I you know, you look going back
to the Harker as well, there's a there's a performative
aspect and we'll probably get to the behavior in the
house and that's what we've got to beware of.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, okay, let's get to the behavior in the house.
Will take a break and come back and do that.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
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Speaker 2 (04:53):
The back of the Huddle, Tim Wilson and Allie Jones. Right, Tim,
you were raising the behavior in parliament and possibly increasing
the punishment to stop these kinds of social media stunts again,
can you though.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, look to your and your point is you can't
stop MP's being in there. But there's been recently this
fascinating innovation that prevents students at school from being distracted,
being lonely and performative. It's called a phone ban. Ban
the phones. They can't take the phones into the house.
You have to rely on Parliamentary TV. That's like CCTV.
(05:25):
There's no drama there. Don't you worry about that? Ban
the phones?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But Tim, they shared they shared official like so what
they shared was, as far as I could see, was
official video that had been taken by like the news
media or Parliamentary TV. So banning a phone is not
going to stop. It isn't as long as the video exists.
It's sharable.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That's that's true. But I have heard from from some
MPs that suddenly, you know, you see a cluster of
cameras over in the public gallery and then you know
something's up. So I think maybe we need to control
that stuff a bit better.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
What do you reckon, Alie? Can you actually punish mp
ever sufficiently to stop them from pulling stunts like this.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Not sufficiently, No, And I mean I see some of
this kind of behavior nowhere near like this, but I
see some of this at local government level as well.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
In fact, I see it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
More in the public gallery. But you know, applauding people
when they speak and things like that is really distracting
when you're sitting and considering papers, and it's really disrespectful.
But I'm really interested that David Seymour was calling this
stuff out, you know. I mean, do you remember badge Gate?
Do you remember the badge that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, yeah, yeah, where they were wearing badges, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I mean that was should be something that a four
or five year old would take joy in doing, so,
you know, if you and that was all done for
the coverage as well, the act badge and the taking
photographs and in the house, so you know, I think
this is a bit of people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
But I did hear your piece earlier hither and I
completely agree with you. I actually don't have a problem
(06:52):
with the harka in Parliament. I think that this shows passion.
I think it shows someone represents the representing their constituency.
There was no violence, there was no swearing, there was
you know, I actually don't have a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Okay, let me put Let me put this to you.
Let me put this to you. Hypothetical future situation. We
have a party that's elected to Parliament who are anti trans.
We're debating a trans bill and a trans MP is
up speaking and one of the members of the anti
trans party comes and does a hucker right in front
of the trans person. You're gonna be okay with that.
(07:32):
To intimidate them, you gotta flip it. You got to
flip it around, allie, and you have to look you
have to look at it the other way around, because
everybody looks at David Seymour and they think, oh, he's
a tough guy, he can handle a bunch of Yeah,
he can handle because he's he's he looks like a
white bloke, even though mart But if.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
That argument, but if you flip it around, because you
what you only let people who have got really thick
skin and can man.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
No, no, I don't think you understanding what I'm say.
What I'm saying is if you're okay, if it's good
for the goose. If it's good for that guy you
can handle, then you have to flip it around and
ask if it's a vulnerable person in a vulnerable situation
standing there, are you still okay with the same behavior.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So is the person speaking in parliament and MP or not? Yes, okay,
Well my comment stands you've got to have a thick
skin to get in there and talk about things. Now,
your example of a trans person I think is inflammatory,
but I know why you're doing it, and I just
think that they.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Are amongst the most vulnerable people in this in society, and.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I do think and I've got to say I do
think many many MPs that I talk to. The atmosphere
often sounds corrosive and I don't know if it actually
adds to our I guess, our ability to bring in
vulnerable people because all you have is a bunch of
thick skin bullies juking it out. I agree in the
contest of ideas, but how we do it really matters.
(08:54):
And if the guardrails protect the powerful, then when the
week become powerful, they'll also protet the week.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yes, it agrees, though it's degrees. I'm not suggesting that
you're going to have thick skin bullies in there that
take jaw out of you know, hurting and bullying other people.
But I'm also suggesting that I think what source for
the goose is the source of the gander. What are
we going to do next band the Hucker and Rugby
because it's too intimidating for the other.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Teams, Let's enforce. Let's enforce hugging a member of the
opposition so they have to hug each other and they
won't like it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I don't know, Ali, I mean, you do understand we're
not banning the hacker from Parliament. It already is in
the way that it was used there was contrary to
the rules.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, I know, but I think it's the.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Same as Julia and Jenter going and shouting in somebody's face. Like,
if you think it's okay to hucker and the floor
of Parliament, then then by extension, it's okay for Julia
to cross the floor and go yell at somebody, because
that's literally the same thing according to Parliament.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I feel like we're getting up on Ellie. I feel
like we're getting up. Also, it was no Also, it
was not just some spontaneous outpouring. It was absolutely stage managed,
and it was to shut someone down. In Parliament shouldn't
be a place where you shut people down. You should
(10:12):
be able to contend.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Let the voters decide next time. I still don't really
have a problem with it. No one was hurt. It's
showing passion and it's showing commitment to an issue. I
think it does show a degree of disrespect if you're
using the example of shouting and jilly and gender or
jilly and gender shouting in someone's face.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But let the voters decide. All right, guys, listen, Thank you,
sorry Ali for ganging up on you. Thank you Tim
for calling us out on that. It's not how we
roll here. Allie Jones re jested us, what are we talking?
I'm just joking, Allie Jones. Read pr Tim Wilson Maxim Institute.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
This evening Allie Jones, Red pr and Tim Wilson of
the Maximum Institute. Hire you two, Hi, Bo Hi?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
There?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Are you planning the old big summer trip down State
Highway one?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Then?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Tim?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Not after that conversation. Yeah, you know what I want
to know. It's like, why four years? Four years worth
of work? Who did it get to four years? Why
did they wait? What's the explanation?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
It's four years of potholes that you can just instead
of instead of have I thought it was just future
proving instead of having four years worth of potholes, you
fix it now and then you don't have them for
four years.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
No, I took it the other way around. I'm taking
it the way that Tim's saying. I think it's deferring maintenance.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Tim.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
That's what local government, central government does to save money. Well,
you know, in any one year, they defer maintenance.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Okay, So it's pretty run of the mill stuff. And
even if you did do the trip, Tim, with four children,
what have you got? Have you got yourself a van
or something? Now? Timmy? You there, Tim you've muted yourself. Jeez, honestly, what.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
A dad sick of the sound of his own voice?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Well, isn't he?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Anyway, where we go, I had one of them that
must have been you never give a phone to a
child during a huddle.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, Oh yeah, no, you blame the children. Yeah, that's
really cool of you, guy.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That's why.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That's why you have four You've got four excuses running.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And also it took you such a long time to
take the phone away from your face and unmuted. Did
you forget where the mute button was?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I had to climb a tree first, all right?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Okay, now listen Ali having a look at the he
coy on on on the metric of numbers and how
peaceful it was. That was a success, wasn't it? Absolutely
it was a success.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I've heard varying figures thirty five, forty five, fifty five.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Thousand, why stop there?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yeah, that's right. It'll be one hundred thousand by six o'clock,
I tell you. But I think that's significant. I think
the numbers none of the nonsense that we've seen before,
and I think that's made a huge difference. What's not
to like about this? This was people exercising their democratic right,
being passionate about their heritage, standing up for something that's
really important to them, that they believe in, and it
was all done. I haven't heard any arrest numbers or
(02:11):
anything like that, but it seems to have been done
very peacefully.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And yet because of that, Timid feels like a fizzer.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I heard you saying that. I think you've got
You're onto something there. In terms of the momentum that
was established by the Harker in Parliament, that's seven hundred
million views and this I want to see how it
plays out during that Select Committee hearing. So it's one
thing to hold an amazing event, and I've got to
say civility was the winner at the end of the day.
You compare it that much with say Minneapolis downtown Minneapolis
(02:41):
and twenty twenty with Black Lives Matter. I love how
we transact and negotiate racial issues. I think we're actually
we should put ourselves on the back. It's just how
do you keep the momentum going.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I didn't take what do you like about the way
that we transact and discuss racial issues.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
In our country? It's an argument within the family. So
because the high rates of intermarriage between mary and non mary.
But in the United States, it's a fight between two
families and it's better.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But you're not.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Worried that it's going to get because this is the
thing that we keep hearing, is that this is going
to get really ugly before it's over.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, that does concern me, And particularly when you look
at you've got two minor parties who have seen a
big and essentially they're vying for the constituency of the
major parties. I'd send the two losers here are Labor
and National and they have been galvanized, galvanized and mobilized.
So yeah, we'll probably see more of this. And what
makes an effect. What made the effect was the hark
(03:35):
of the RW breaking stuff. I wonder how much effect
this will have.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
What do you make Ali of David Seymour going out
and then getting booed back in.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
The highly predictable I mean, what would you expect people
going to come up and give them a hug. I
don't think that was going to happen, and it didn't,
and he deserved it to be frank.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Why did he deserve it? Well?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Because oh no, actually that's wrong. I shouldn't have said,
and I shouldn't have said that he stood.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You are you're going down the path? That will one
warning about it? Get right.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
It as irrational and it's really emotional because I just
find him so bloody annoying to be frank, and so
I take that back. He came out, he stood up, and.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
He spoke, and he should get credit for that.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
However, you know it was going to be hostile crowd.
He was never going to be well received, Elliott.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I think David Seymour. David Seymour does he does like
a disagreeable crowd, and so there is there is something
of that there, let's say, and I guess to that
to that end, I you know, you look going back
to the Harker as well, there's a there's a performative
aspect and we'll probably get to the behavior in the
house and that's what we've got to beware of.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, okay, let's get to the behavior in the house.
Will take a break and come back and do that.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
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of Your Home.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
The back of the Huddle, Tim Wilson and Allie Jones. Right, Tim,
you were raising the behavior in parliament and possibly increasing
the punishment to stop these kinds of social media stunts again,
can you though.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, look to your and your point is you can't
stop MP's being in there. But there's been recently this
fascinating innovation that prevents students at school from being distracted,
being lonely and performative. It's called a phone ban. Ban
the phones. They can't take the phones into the house.
You have to rely on Parliamentary TV. That's like CCTV.
(05:25):
There's no drama there. Don't you worry about that? Ban
the phones?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But Tim, they shared they shared official like so what
they shared was, as far as I could see, was
official video that had been taken by like the news
media or Parliamentary TV. So banning a phone is not
going to stop. It isn't as long as the video exists.
It's sharable.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That's that's true. But I have heard from from some
MPs that suddenly, you know, you see a cluster of
cameras over in the public gallery and then you know
something's up. So I think maybe we need to control
that stuff a bit better.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
What do you reckon, Alie? Can you actually punish mp
ever sufficiently to stop them from pulling stunts like this.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Not sufficiently, No, And I mean I see some of
this kind of behavior nowhere near like this, but I
see some of this at local government level as well.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
In fact, I see it.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
More in the public gallery. But you know, applauding people
when they speak and things like that is really distracting
when you're sitting and considering papers, and it's really disrespectful.
But I'm really interested that David Seymour was calling this
stuff out, you know. I mean, do you remember badge Gate?
Do you remember the badge that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, yeah, yeah, where they were wearing badges, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I mean that was should be something that a four
or five year old would take joy in doing, so,
you know, if you and that was all done for
the coverage as well, the act badge and the taking
photographs and in the house, so you know, I think
this is a bit of people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
But I did hear your piece earlier hither and I
completely agree with you. I actually don't have a problem
(06:52):
with the harka in Parliament. I think that this shows passion.
I think it shows someone represents the representing their constituency.
There was no violence, there was no swearing, there was
you know, I actually don't have a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Okay, let me put Let me put this to you.
Let me put this to you. Hypothetical future situation. We
have a party that's elected to Parliament who are anti trans.
We're debating a trans bill and a trans MP is
up speaking and one of the members of the anti
trans party comes and does a hucker right in front
of the trans person. You're gonna be okay with that.
(07:32):
To intimidate them, you gotta flip it. You got to
flip it around, allie, and you have to look you
have to look at it the other way around, because
everybody looks at David Seymour and they think, oh, he's
a tough guy, he can handle a bunch of Yeah,
he can handle because he's he's he looks like a
white bloke, even though mart But if.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
That argument, but if you flip it around, because you
what you only let people who have got really thick
skin and can man.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
No, no, I don't think you understanding what I'm say.
What I'm saying is if you're okay, if it's good
for the goose. If it's good for that guy you
can handle, then you have to flip it around and
ask if it's a vulnerable person in a vulnerable situation
standing there, are you still okay with the same behavior.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
So is the person speaking in parliament and MP or not? Yes, okay,
Well my comment stands you've got to have a thick
skin to get in there and talk about things. Now,
your example of a trans person I think is inflammatory,
but I know why you're doing it, and I just
think that they.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Are amongst the most vulnerable people in this in society, and.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I do think and I've got to say I do
think many many MPs that I talk to. The atmosphere
often sounds corrosive and I don't know if it actually
adds to our I guess, our ability to bring in
vulnerable people because all you have is a bunch of
thick skin bullies juking it out. I agree in the
contest of ideas, but how we do it really matters.
(08:54):
And if the guardrails protect the powerful, then when the
week become powerful, they'll also protet the week.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yes, it agrees, though it's degrees. I'm not suggesting that
you're going to have thick skin bullies in there that
take jaw out of you know, hurting and bullying other people.
But I'm also suggesting that I think what source for
the goose is the source of the gander. What are
we going to do next band the Hucker and Rugby
because it's too intimidating for the other.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Teams, Let's enforce. Let's enforce hugging a member of the
opposition so they have to hug each other and they
won't like it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I don't know, Ali, I mean, you do understand we're
not banning the hacker from Parliament. It already is in
the way that it was used there was contrary to
the rules.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, I know, but I think it's the.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Same as Julia and Jenter going and shouting in somebody's face. Like,
if you think it's okay to hucker and the floor
of Parliament, then then by extension, it's okay for Julia
to cross the floor and go yell at somebody, because
that's literally the same thing according to Parliament.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I feel like we're getting up on Ellie. I feel
like we're getting up. Also, it was no Also, it
was not just some spontaneous outpouring. It was absolutely stage managed,
and it was to shut someone down. In Parliament shouldn't
be a place where you shut people down. You should
(10:12):
be able to contend.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Let the voters decide next time. I still don't really
have a problem with it. No one was hurt. It's
showing passion and it's showing commitment to an issue. I
think it does show a degree of disrespect if you're
using the example of shouting and jilly and gender or
jilly and gender shouting in someone's face.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But let the voters decide. All right, guys, listen, Thank you,
sorry Ali for ganging up on you. Thank you Tim
for calling us out on that. It's not how we
roll here. Allie Jones re jested us, what are we talking?
I'm just joking, Allie Jones. Read pr Tim Wilson Maxim Institute.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
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