Barry Soper: Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent on guidelines for Treaty Principles Bill submissions

The Justice Select Committee has issued more guidance for submissions to the Treaty Principles Bill.

It's planning to hold hearings from the last week of January.

It’s also outlined the criteria which makes submissions unacceptable, including racist material, characterising other people as racist, anything with swear words, and abusive personal reflections on MPs.

Meanwhile, one of the first Government boot camp participants has been charged with burglary and unlawfully taking a vehicle.

Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper joined Heather du Plessis-Allan.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Barry Sober, Senior Political correspondence with US.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now, Hey Barry, good afternoon here though, I'd just like
to start with one little issue that I heard in
the news and I'm sure your listeners probably heard it
as well, that it was the best question I've heard asked.
And this whole debate over the gang patches, and it
was not asked by a journalist, was asked by the

(00:22):
Prime Minister who suggested to journalists when they interview the
gang members and many of them have been doing these
poor little souls, He said that they should be asking
what did that gang member do to earn his patch?
And I've been yelling at the television news saying, ask
them that question, because, like Mark Mitchell has said, there's

(00:44):
tears behind every patch yep that a gang member wears
on his I mean.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, let's understand what We're not just taking somebody's jacket
that they went down to working style and bought off
with their hard earned cash which they earned sitting behind
their accountant's desk. Is it No, It's like that patch
has been earned through violent crime, So ask them how
they got it. Agree with you and tyling. So we've
got some rules, have we around how you submit to

(01:09):
the Justice Select Committee on the Treaty Principles Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah. The interesting thing is heither I think there's a
perception that now for the next six months we're going
to have people making submissions to the Parliamentary Select Committee. Well,
in fact, there's not going to be the case because
really the hearings are only going to be heard over
four weeks. They start at the end of January and
go through February. And that's because there's so much administration

(01:33):
that has to go through. When they receive the submissions,
they've got to read them, they've got to decide which
ones will be able to be heard before the Select Committee,
and there's a lot of rules about what sort of
issue and what will be accepted and what won't be

(01:53):
accepted by the Parliamentary Committee. Now, they'll hold hearings at Parliament,
but they're saying that they won't be able to hold
hearings on every submission that's sent to the Parliament on
the Treaty Principal's Bill. They'll be also doing them by
video conference, so there'll be that they won't accept submissions

(02:20):
that contain racist material, particularly overt racism and characterizing people
as racist, and of course I should have a word
to Willie Jackson, who's had that label a lot strong
swear words. They won't be allowed abusive personal reflections against
the MPs or other individuals. David Seymour will be quite

(02:43):
happy about that. But there are a number of essentially
rules that will be surrounding these submissions, and I would say,
let's hope that we have a good open debate on
it without these terrible labels being attached to Pece.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
So is Karen shaw coppying a heavy time because one
of the kids who is at the boot camp has
gone on to reoffend.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, well one of these fifteen year old toe rags
has gone out and burgled someplace and converted three cars
by the looks of it. And so she's been taking
flak from those who say these boot camps are a
waste for time and don't work at all. The point
that Karen Ture makes is that she can't personally do

(03:26):
anything about if these any of these ten youth who
were taken into the boot camp for the pilot, if
they reoffend. Of course you're going to get some people reoffending.
They're being given an opportunity to turn their lives around.
If they decided that they're not going to do that,
then of course they'll be reoffending. And that doesn't mean

(03:49):
to say that these boot camps are necessarily a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So how many people how many kids were at the
boot camp?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Ten in this lab?

Speaker 1 (03:58):
How many have reoffended?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
One?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Ten percent failure rate? Yeah, so at the stage of
ninety percent success, that's right.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Well, we don't know because I haven't completed.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Well, not at the stage. At the stage, it seems
like a really high bar. And this is criticisms coming
from the Greens largely. Is it coming from Ricardo as
I was coming from, Yes, it is. Now can I
just point out to the Greens that they have had
a greater failure rate with their own MPs, haven't they
than the boot camps?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
So well, the last year I've had three gone well, yeah,
so one for offending breaking the law.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Just saying, just saying they've had as many, by the
looks of things, out of their own caucus, they've had
as many breaking the law as the boot campers. Thank you, Barry.
We'll wrap the political week that was later on with
you at quarter past six. That's very Sore, senior political correspondent.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
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