November 22, 2024 • 8 mins
Oceania Football Confederation media manager Matt Brown and Newstalk ZB Canterbury Sport reader joined Heather du Plessis-Allan on the Sports Huddle.
The All Blacks have named a strong side to face Italy in their final test of the year, in what will be Sam Cane’s and TJ Perenara’s test rugby swansongs.
The lads also discuss Doug Bracewell’s drug ban, after it was announced the all-rounder has received a one game ban after testing positive for cocaine.
Rafael Nadal has officially retired from tennis, after Spain’s elimination from the Davis Cup this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the sports tuttle with us this evening Matt Brown,
Oceania Football's Confederations media manager and Nick Bewley, news dog
zb's Canterbury sports treat hire you too hit it all right?
So Nick, obviously they want to end the year with
a bit of a statement score. But apart from that,
what do you reckon? Have they convinced us?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Look, I think the first year ever World Cup cycle
well for me anyways, very much a year of discovery.
And look, it hasn't probably been the revolution that some
of US rugby commentators were expecting, but I think, as
Scott Hanson alluded to there, they're very much in a
better place than they were during the Rugby Championship. When
I reflect on the year, that real black mark is
that Argentina defeat at home. I think I've been on
your program in this very slot saying there's no shame
(00:41):
in losing to South Africa twice in South Africa, and
I'll add to that, there's no shame in losing narrowly
by the barrister margins one point to France in Paris.
So look, we expect them to get the job done
and it would be a very different conversation next week
if they.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Somehow lost to Italy.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
But I think they can sit back at home provided
they get the job done and the should and look in. Yes,
four losses and black and white doesn't look so flash.
But again, first year of a World Cup cycle. I
can't remember the last time I was sitting at a
pub with my mates talking about twenty sixteen or twenty twelve.
It's all about the years twenty three, twenty nineteen, twenty
seven in this instance.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So I think it's a pass.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, I think so too, Matt. Matt. I was saying
to one of the sports guys the other day, I'd
read somewhere that Razor has a winning rate at the
moment of sixty nine percent. Now, obviously if he wins
against Italy it will go up, but sixty nine percent.
They were like, is it that high? That's not that bad.
It's not that bad, is it?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well, sixty nine percent is not great, to be honest,
I mean, but then again, we've been blessed with people
like you know, so Graham, Henry Steve Henson andreparing it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
To Graham Henri's it was a lot high. Are you
comparing it to Graham Henry's first year, though.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Not his first year when he lost what five tests
in two thousand and was it two thousand and four?
If we go all the way back yet, did you go?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Look, I give him about a seven out of ten
to be honest, I think performance wise at times, I
think the England tests we did not perform well in
New Zealand, but.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
They were the first two tests.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I also agree with Nick about South Africa. I mean,
ore the benchmark at the moment, we could have won
both those tests. They were that close in South Africa,
and of course the highlight would have to be that
winning island to break their winning run of nineteen tests
in a row. So yeah, a lot of positives, without
a doubt. I mean to see guys like It's a
tt to really emerge via and Bya's case.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
A real leader.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I think TV is going to be there for a decade,
i'd imagine, and you know, to see some of the
young players start to come through. I still have real
concerns over First five, particularly long long term. I don't
see where where the next first five is coming after
after Boaden Barrett and Deanie McKenzie. So I think we
have some concerns, but overalls, overall, I think yeah, a
(02:47):
past mark for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, okay, let's take a break. I want to come
back and talk about cocaine news. What a tease Quarter.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
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Speaker 1 (03:03):
Right, you're back of the sports title. Matt Brown, Nick
Beuley like Matt okay, answer this question for me. Should
we be suspending players for doing recreational drugs if we
didn't even know that they were doing it and they
did in their spare time, and the only reason they
did a recreational drug was because we found it in
their blood because we were testing them for doping.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yes, yes, and yes ah, yes, I think we should look.
It's banned for as a band stimulant under the wider
list for example. For that's the first point. And also
you know it's against the law, so it's something illegal.
I mean, yeah, and it's a bad role model.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But Matt okay, hang on a take, So marijuana is
also banned by WADA. That's not a stim I try
taking marijuana and playing a game of cricket, right, and
nobody believes cocaine is actually a stimulant. It'll lasts for
about twenty minutes.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
It's on the banned listen as an athlete, you know
you can't. Yeah, technically and in my view, if if
it's a band stimula, I mean on the list, why
is it? That's not a question for me. But it
is on the list, and I and he would have
known it's on the list. That's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, I suppose. I mean, you can't get around the rules,
Keny Nick. But it is a bit dumb, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I tend to agree with what Matt's saying.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I guess the only point I'd make is that this
Doug Bracelet situation that we're talking about in terms of
recreational use.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You compare that to josh Ada Carr, who is in our.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
News, the rugby league player over at the Canterbury Bulldogs,
pulled over by the cops and a random roadside drug
test ends up getting test positive for cocaine.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
His NRL contract is ripped up.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I do wonder there where you know where the cops
should be doing this type of thing when it comes
to your road policing and what have you as opposed
to drug free Sport ends at least having a deeper
conversation with some wider context around should recreational drugs be
on the on our list of of what our what
we're what we're seeking in terms of obviously doping and
(04:56):
performance enhancing drugs. But ultimately, as Matt says, it's it's
illegal dunk and all the other New Zealand athletes will
know it's there and that's and that's the low.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, So basically, how long do you do you guys?
I mean, like weed stays in your system for two weeks?
How long is coke stay in your system?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You're asking the wrong people, Heather.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, ask the pregnant lady as well.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But look what the one thing I can say, and look,
I'm not not condoning it by any way, shape or form,
but you do hear in sporting circles and this has
been around for quite a long time. I think the
Keywis rugby league team for example, that was the best
part of a decade ago. Now with Bromwich and Kim
Proctor that it does exit the system within what twelve
(05:41):
to twenty four hours or something, so players know compared
to hangover more for performance it's just Google and.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
He said three days to a week. The reason I
was asking Nick was because basically what you're talking about,
I mean, Doug brace Will has been playing cricket now
for donkeys years. So what about here, Yeah, what we're
talking about, and let's remember it as illegal, but what
we are talking about is that you cannot do these
drugs recreationally for the duration of your career because if
we find it in your system and you did it
(06:07):
on a Friday night, you are going to You're going
to be in trouble, regardless of whether it actually affects
your performance. Right, yeah, yeah, that's exactly that's life. Okay, Now, Matt,
I know that you're hugely into tennis. So how do
you feel about Nadal.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
As the end of an era? I mean, one of
the greatest players, one of the greatest three players the
world has ever seen, had an incredible career. I saw
twelve of his fourteen French Open ones in Paris, so
it really does you know, he warns me warm my
heart whenever I watched him play, the greatest competitor I
ever saw, So he will go down I think is
the greatest competitor in tennis. Well, you can say, I
(06:43):
don't know if you can say he's the greatest tennis
player ever. The reason I wouldn't agree with him being
the greatest ever he won fourteen of his twenty two
slams on one surface, So in terms of the all
court game, you'd have to say, you know, SIMI statistically
Djokovic and in terms of the style of play, the
way he played Fetterer for me, probably still ahead of
him in terms of the greatest of all time, but
right up there in the conversation amazing athlete.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
What's he going to do now?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Nick?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I heard that he's opening pickleball courts or something like that.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know, whatever he likes.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Of course, he's got his foundations, he's got his academies,
you know, as Matt says, he'll go down as one
of the greats. And I mean, you think of the
last few years as well. It has been I've been
agonizing rarely to see him, you know, put what all
that stress that he's put over and through his body
and his knees and so on over the last fifteen
or so years, sort.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Of catch up with him.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I think he spoke before the Davis Cup lost this
week about saying.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
He could have gone around another year, but he doesn't
need that for his ego in terms of some farewell tour,
And I think that's an excellent decision for me anyway,
as someone who grew up with Nadele, Federer and Djokovic,
you don't want to see your heroes kind of going out,
bowing out and.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Losing in the first round of the ASP Classic in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So yeah, Kurt Austin Nadell, it's one of my favorite
athletes of all time.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Athlete either the most humble athlete in sport.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I think sound like it a sounds like there is
not a bit of ego in that.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Hey, thank you so much. You guys, enjoy your week
in a sport That's Nick Bewley and Matt Browner huddle
this
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Evening for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
On the sports tuttle with us this evening Matt Brown,
Oceania Football's Confederations media manager and Nick Bewley, news dog
zb's Canterbury sports treat hire you too hit it all right?
So Nick, obviously they want to end the year with
a bit of a statement score. But apart from that,
what do you reckon? Have they convinced us?
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Look, I think the first year ever World Cup cycle
well for me anyways, very much a year of discovery.
And look, it hasn't probably been the revolution that some
of US rugby commentators were expecting, but I think, as
Scott Hanson alluded to there, they're very much in a
better place than they were during the Rugby Championship. When
I reflect on the year, that real black mark is
that Argentina defeat at home. I think I've been on
your program in this very slot saying there's no shame
(00:41):
in losing to South Africa twice in South Africa, and
I'll add to that, there's no shame in losing narrowly
by the barrister margins one point to France in Paris.
So look, we expect them to get the job done
and it would be a very different conversation next week
if they.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Somehow lost to Italy.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
But I think they can sit back at home provided
they get the job done and the should and look in. Yes,
four losses and black and white doesn't look so flash.
But again, first year of a World Cup cycle. I
can't remember the last time I was sitting at a
pub with my mates talking about twenty sixteen or twenty twelve.
It's all about the years twenty three, twenty nineteen, twenty
seven in this instance.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So I think it's a pass.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah, I think so too, Matt. Matt. I was saying
to one of the sports guys the other day, I'd
read somewhere that Razor has a winning rate at the
moment of sixty nine percent. Now, obviously if he wins
against Italy it will go up, but sixty nine percent.
They were like, is it that high? That's not that bad.
It's not that bad, is it?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well, sixty nine percent is not great, to be honest,
I mean, but then again, we've been blessed with people
like you know, so Graham, Henry Steve Henson andreparing it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
To Graham Henri's it was a lot high. Are you
comparing it to Graham Henry's first year, though.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Not his first year when he lost what five tests
in two thousand and was it two thousand and four?
If we go all the way back yet, did you go?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Look, I give him about a seven out of ten
to be honest, I think performance wise at times, I
think the England tests we did not perform well in
New Zealand, but.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
They were the first two tests.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I also agree with Nick about South Africa. I mean,
ore the benchmark at the moment, we could have won
both those tests. They were that close in South Africa,
and of course the highlight would have to be that
winning island to break their winning run of nineteen tests
in a row. So yeah, a lot of positives, without
a doubt. I mean to see guys like It's a
tt to really emerge via and Bya's case.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
A real leader.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I think TV is going to be there for a decade,
i'd imagine, and you know, to see some of the
young players start to come through. I still have real
concerns over First five, particularly long long term. I don't
see where where the next first five is coming after
after Boaden Barrett and Deanie McKenzie. So I think we
have some concerns, but overalls, overall, I think yeah, a
(02:47):
past mark for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, okay, let's take a break. I want to come
back and talk about cocaine news. What a tease Quarter.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Two Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand'sby's International Realty. Elevate
the marketing of your home.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Right, you're back of the sports title. Matt Brown, Nick
Beuley like Matt okay, answer this question for me. Should
we be suspending players for doing recreational drugs if we
didn't even know that they were doing it and they
did in their spare time, and the only reason they
did a recreational drug was because we found it in
their blood because we were testing them for doping.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yes, yes, and yes ah, yes, I think we should look.
It's banned for as a band stimulant under the wider
list for example. For that's the first point. And also
you know it's against the law, so it's something illegal.
I mean, yeah, and it's a bad role model.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But Matt okay, hang on a take, So marijuana is
also banned by WADA. That's not a stim I try
taking marijuana and playing a game of cricket, right, and
nobody believes cocaine is actually a stimulant. It'll lasts for
about twenty minutes.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
It's on the banned listen as an athlete, you know
you can't. Yeah, technically and in my view, if if
it's a band stimula, I mean on the list, why
is it? That's not a question for me. But it
is on the list, and I and he would have
known it's on the list. That's the other thing.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, I suppose. I mean, you can't get around the rules,
Keny Nick. But it is a bit dumb, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I tend to agree with what Matt's saying.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I guess the only point I'd make is that this
Doug Bracelet situation that we're talking about in terms of
recreational use.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
You compare that to josh Ada Carr, who is in our.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
News, the rugby league player over at the Canterbury Bulldogs,
pulled over by the cops and a random roadside drug
test ends up getting test positive for cocaine.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
His NRL contract is ripped up.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I do wonder there where you know where the cops
should be doing this type of thing when it comes
to your road policing and what have you as opposed
to drug free Sport ends at least having a deeper
conversation with some wider context around should recreational drugs be
on the on our list of of what our what
we're what we're seeking in terms of obviously doping and
(04:56):
performance enhancing drugs. But ultimately, as Matt says, it's it's
illegal dunk and all the other New Zealand athletes will
know it's there and that's and that's the low.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, So basically, how long do you do you guys?
I mean, like weed stays in your system for two weeks?
How long is coke stay in your system?
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You're asking the wrong people, Heather.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, ask the pregnant lady as well.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But look what the one thing I can say, and look,
I'm not not condoning it by any way, shape or form,
but you do hear in sporting circles and this has
been around for quite a long time. I think the
Keywis rugby league team for example, that was the best
part of a decade ago. Now with Bromwich and Kim
Proctor that it does exit the system within what twelve
(05:41):
to twenty four hours or something, so players know compared
to hangover more for performance it's just Google and.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
He said three days to a week. The reason I
was asking Nick was because basically what you're talking about,
I mean, Doug brace Will has been playing cricket now
for donkeys years. So what about here, Yeah, what we're
talking about, and let's remember it as illegal, but what
we are talking about is that you cannot do these
drugs recreationally for the duration of your career because if
we find it in your system and you did it
(06:07):
on a Friday night, you are going to You're going
to be in trouble, regardless of whether it actually affects
your performance. Right, yeah, yeah, that's exactly that's life. Okay, Now, Matt,
I know that you're hugely into tennis. So how do
you feel about Nadal.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
As the end of an era? I mean, one of
the greatest players, one of the greatest three players the
world has ever seen, had an incredible career. I saw
twelve of his fourteen French Open ones in Paris, so
it really does you know, he warns me warm my
heart whenever I watched him play, the greatest competitor I
ever saw, So he will go down I think is
the greatest competitor in tennis. Well, you can say, I
(06:43):
don't know if you can say he's the greatest tennis
player ever. The reason I wouldn't agree with him being
the greatest ever he won fourteen of his twenty two
slams on one surface, So in terms of the all
court game, you'd have to say, you know, SIMI statistically
Djokovic and in terms of the style of play, the
way he played Fetterer for me, probably still ahead of
him in terms of the greatest of all time, but
right up there in the conversation amazing athlete.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
What's he going to do now?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Nick?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I heard that he's opening pickleball courts or something like that.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know, whatever he likes.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Of course, he's got his foundations, he's got his academies,
you know, as Matt says, he'll go down as one
of the greats. And I mean, you think of the
last few years as well. It has been I've been
agonizing rarely to see him, you know, put what all
that stress that he's put over and through his body
and his knees and so on over the last fifteen
or so years, sort.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Of catch up with him.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I think he spoke before the Davis Cup lost this
week about saying.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
He could have gone around another year, but he doesn't
need that for his ego in terms of some farewell tour,
And I think that's an excellent decision for me anyway,
as someone who grew up with Nadele, Federer and Djokovic,
you don't want to see your heroes kind of going out,
bowing out and.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Losing in the first round of the ASP Classic in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So yeah, Kurt Austin Nadell, it's one of my favorite
athletes of all time.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Athlete either the most humble athlete in sport.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I think sound like it a sounds like there is
not a bit of ego in that.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Hey, thank you so much. You guys, enjoy your week
in a sport That's Nick Bewley and Matt Browner huddle
this
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Evening for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live
to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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