November 29, 2024 • 9 mins
All Sport Breakfast Wellington host Adam Cooper and NZB Kiwi head of communications Andrew Gourdie joined Heather du Plessis-Allan on the Sports Huddle.
The Black Caps have work to do after England’s fightback at Hagley Oval, with the visitors buoyed by Harry Brook’s century.
Damian McKenzie has been given a spot in World Rugby’s best XV for 2024, but there are some questions over it.
And questions over whether to loosen eligibility rules for the All Blacks going on sabbaticals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty,
local and global exposure like no other do.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, Danny.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Goes on the pool, on the pool the way.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
He doesn't go for sex.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It does He does it in style.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
He brings up fifty Harry Brook.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Oh, he's taking up follows your little ripper tied it away.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So for Americ grams in the one Head Sports Hudle.
This evening, Adam Cooper hosted the All Sports Breakfasts in
Wellington and Andrew Gordy in ZIB's key we head of Communications.
High lads, got ahead up Copsey, there there we are good. Okay,
We've got both of you prisent and accounted for. GORDI,
did you see that catch from Phillips? It was actually amazing?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Did I see the catch? Hither? I saw a fantastic catch.
Glenn Phillips.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
He's got a real He's got form in this area,
hasn't he. He's fantastic in the field. He's an energizer bunny,
So no surprise to see him take that catch. But
can I just stop and pause for a moment to
acknowledge the power of radio. We just sort of witnessed,
or at least heard from Andrew Ordison just before the
Power of Radio just to mention the caramel slice here
though I have the same reaction to you. I'm not pregnant,
(01:31):
and I have the same reaction as you made. And
I'm actually wondering if what we really need from orders
is not a review of the day's cricket. We need
a review of the bay. Because you're absolutely right, Aldis
will be tapping into the bar bay and probably a
couple of pints up.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Have you though, Gordy, have you got caramel slice in
the house.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I don't have caramel slice house, but I guarantee you
within two hours I probably will.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh good from you. I've already got it. This is
the kind of level of high operation that we're operating
in the in my household. I've got it for instances
like that, and I will be going home and eating it.
Why not Uber eats it over from her coops. List
of the guys here in the in the newsroom are
saying that they've immediately because of Russian revender catch Revender
(02:12):
catching the edge and the English guys not realizing that
actually the umpire should be able to step in here
and say that was a wicked and he's out. I
hate the idea. What do you think?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
No, absolutely, I totally agree with you. Either you know,
it's it's it's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Your it's tough if if you're the fielding team and
yet you don't get the opportunity. A big part of
cricketers is the appeal. It's sensing, sensing the opportunities and
knowing when to put your hand hands up as make
it and make as much noise as you think you
should to try and convince the umpire. It's part of
the art of cricket. That's how it's always been. And
I don't think there should be a the umpire that
(02:46):
can sort of off his own that you don't call
it without an appeal or any intervention, as as some
might suggest from from any you know, third umpire or
TV official, like what is happening in other sports.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So keep it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You keep the players responsible for questioning and putting up
their flight for a decision like that.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
I reckon, Hey, did you reckon.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Damien McKenzie is the best first five in the world.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
No, he's not even the best first five eighth in
New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I hate to say it, that's not to say that
I don't have a great deal of admiration for Damien McKenzie,
and I thought his performance against Ireland and what was
clearly the All Blacks best performance and best victory of
the year, he was absolutely outstanding in that and in
fact I wanted him to get in another opportunity the
following week. But I think if you really made me
make a decision on the spot about who should be
(03:35):
the starting first five eighths right now for the All Blacks,
I'm probably going to pick Boden Barratt and put Will
Jordan at fullback.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
And that's without even having had a conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, I was going to say, you're not picking Richie.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Well, I can't pick them for the All Blacks at
the moment.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
What if we change the rules for you?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Are you changing them for me or are you changing
them for Scott Robertson.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm changing them for all of us.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yeah, Look, this is a deep debate.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
How deep do you want to go on this debate here?
Because I personally don't think we should be picking Richie
Muanger from Japan or from outside of Super Rugby. But
I think the rule I need to change to allow
players to move freely within Super Rugby and New Zealand
Rugby needs to get real about the situation they're facing
right here, and that is that players can earn a
truckload more money overseas.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
So they need to open it up and.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Allow players better opportunities, better commercial opportunities, and allow them
to capitalize on the clear commercial opportunities that exist within
not only New Zealand, but Australia as well and the
wider Pacific. And that might be the way that we
keep all Blacks within this competition and let those players.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Play for you.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Okay, Coops, let's get your taken on it after the break.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
The Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty
elevate the marketing of your home.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Right, you're back with the sports hitdle Adam Cooper and
Andrew Gordy. Coops, what do you think of loosening up
the old eligibility rules for the all Blacks?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, I think something does need to change. I mean
I'm still a purist and I think that you know,
on the whole, you know, the Super Rugby competition and
keeping our here, you know, benefiting the game, you know
at a domestic level does need to be protected in
some ways, but I do think it's pretty archaic having
a one size fits all category. You know, at the
moment you need to play around seventy tests before you're
(05:13):
considered for a sabbatical. But I think these kinds of
decisions to actually be made on a case by case basis.
You know, some common sense assess you know what lies ahead,
and a richie wrong his case. You know, he could
have had a case where he's obviously nowhere near seventy
tests yet, but to be able to head away and
be in far less of a messy situation, not just
for him, but forty's on a rugby and where they
(05:35):
are now. But I actually think they need to do
all they can to get him back. It was a
mistake letting him go. They're going to have to break
some of their own rules to get him back, and
it could well set a precedent.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
But you know, hopefully if.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
They are bringing him back, they learn from this and
they do tweak some of these rules because it is
not moving in the right direction. I think for any
parties that the sport of rugby, all the players themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Goodie, now let me get this right o case. So
you think the rules should change, but not for Richie?
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Not for Richie because he's playing in Japan. What I'd
like to see change is players allowed to move freely
within the Super Rugby right and so the example I'll
give you is that Ardie Savi can go and play
for the New South Wales Warritors and he can pick
up massive endorsements over in Sydney. Like the players who
are contracted to Rugby Australia are far better able to
(06:22):
leverage their commercial sort of well leverage liverage the commercial
opportunities that are available over in Australia than New Zealand
players are. And I think that's something that New Zealand
Rugby needs to get their head around. Allow that freedom
of movement. Players who are playing and Super Rugby can
represent the All Blacks, but they can earn a lot
more money by representing.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Allow them to go off and play if they want
to play in Ireland, will play in Japan and come
back and represent the All Blacks. It hasn't gone half
badly Fantina or South Africa, has it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, it's going to weaken the weaken our domestic competitions
massively like Super Rugby will will suffer very badly in NPC.
I'd argue might just die. So it's all about protecting
the domestic competition, which is a factor that absolutely needs
to be considered.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yes, but the reality is that the floodgates.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Or that we opened the door to this when Dan
Carter went on sabbatical way back and what was it
about two thousand and eight. Yeah, and now it's like
the Oprah Winfrey mean, you know, you get a sabbatical,
You get a sabbatical.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Everyone gets a sabbatical.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And so now it's taken about fifteen or so years
for us to reach this point where the sabbatical doesn't
mean anything like it used to. And so now we're
talking about this because one prominent player and a very
important player to the All Blacks setup has decided, do
you know what, I'm going to take the money. And
he's played to Rugby World Cups. He hasn't had success obviously,
but he's decided, I've had my time in the All Blacks.
(07:40):
I've got to go and earn my money.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, fair enough. Listen, really quick take from you on this, please, coops.
Do you think that the next time someone who leads
the Hucker for the All Blacks goes to the rugby
management and says I want to do something political, they'll say.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yes, Ah, They're going to have to delve into it
a lot more, I think, and you know, to a
few more, few more checks and balance. Yeah, it's certainly
gonna I think. You know, the management are the biggest
losers of all this. You know, it's blown up to
a point where a lot more than I think, you know,
they they wanted it, they expected it too, and was
(08:14):
probably just yeah, just to sended up a far worse situation.
So I expect a lot more scrutiny around around where
this goes, probably some more guidelines set up and maybe
some rules in place with those that are leading it.
But you know, I think we talked on Monday here
the four days on. It's kind of gone away now
it was ten seconds of the start of it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You wait until you see the text machine after you've
finished talking mat and they're still angry about it. What
do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Goodie?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
What I'll say is this here that people like Adam
Cooper and I have sat in front of so many
athletes over the years who don't say anything, and I
sit there sometimes begging them to say something, do something
that is going to be half interesting. So if you
think that I'm going to come on your program this
afternoon and crucify TJ. Pett something different, you can think.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You know, that's a fair point.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's lovely to talk to you. Enjoy your cricket and
all the sport this weekend. That's Adam Cooper, host to
All Sport Breakfasts and Wellington and Andrew Gordy enzb key,
we head of Communications.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
News Talk zed B from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty,
local and global exposure like no other do.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
All right, Danny.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Goes on the pool, on the pool the way.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
He doesn't go for sex.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
It does He does it in style.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
He brings up fifty Harry Brook.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Oh, he's taking up follows your little ripper tied it away.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So for Americ grams in the one Head Sports Hudle.
This evening, Adam Cooper hosted the All Sports Breakfasts in
Wellington and Andrew Gordy in ZIB's key we head of Communications.
High lads, got ahead up Copsey, there there we are good. Okay,
We've got both of you prisent and accounted for. GORDI,
did you see that catch from Phillips? It was actually amazing?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Did I see the catch? Hither? I saw a fantastic catch.
Glenn Phillips.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
He's got a real He's got form in this area,
hasn't he. He's fantastic in the field. He's an energizer bunny,
So no surprise to see him take that catch. But
can I just stop and pause for a moment to
acknowledge the power of radio. We just sort of witnessed,
or at least heard from Andrew Ordison just before the
Power of Radio just to mention the caramel slice here
though I have the same reaction to you. I'm not pregnant,
(01:31):
and I have the same reaction as you made. And
I'm actually wondering if what we really need from orders
is not a review of the day's cricket. We need
a review of the bay. Because you're absolutely right, Aldis
will be tapping into the bar bay and probably a
couple of pints up.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Have you though, Gordy, have you got caramel slice in
the house.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I don't have caramel slice house, but I guarantee you
within two hours I probably will.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Oh good from you. I've already got it. This is
the kind of level of high operation that we're operating
in the in my household. I've got it for instances
like that, and I will be going home and eating it.
Why not Uber eats it over from her coops. List
of the guys here in the in the newsroom are
saying that they've immediately because of Russian revender catch Revender
(02:12):
catching the edge and the English guys not realizing that
actually the umpire should be able to step in here
and say that was a wicked and he's out. I
hate the idea. What do you think?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
No, absolutely, I totally agree with you. Either you know,
it's it's it's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Your it's tough if if you're the fielding team and
yet you don't get the opportunity. A big part of
cricketers is the appeal. It's sensing, sensing the opportunities and
knowing when to put your hand hands up as make
it and make as much noise as you think you
should to try and convince the umpire. It's part of
the art of cricket. That's how it's always been. And
I don't think there should be a the umpire that
(02:46):
can sort of off his own that you don't call
it without an appeal or any intervention, as as some
might suggest from from any you know, third umpire or
TV official, like what is happening in other sports.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
So keep it.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
You keep the players responsible for questioning and putting up
their flight for a decision like that.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
I reckon, Hey, did you reckon.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Damien McKenzie is the best first five in the world.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
No, he's not even the best first five eighth in
New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I hate to say it, that's not to say that
I don't have a great deal of admiration for Damien McKenzie,
and I thought his performance against Ireland and what was
clearly the All Blacks best performance and best victory of
the year, he was absolutely outstanding in that and in
fact I wanted him to get in another opportunity the
following week. But I think if you really made me
make a decision on the spot about who should be
(03:35):
the starting first five eighths right now for the All Blacks,
I'm probably going to pick Boden Barratt and put Will
Jordan at fullback.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
And that's without even having had a conversation.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, I was going to say, you're not picking Richie.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Well, I can't pick them for the All Blacks at
the moment.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
What if we change the rules for you?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Are you changing them for me or are you changing
them for Scott Robertson.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm changing them for all of us.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Yeah, Look, this is a deep debate.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
How deep do you want to go on this debate here?
Because I personally don't think we should be picking Richie
Muanger from Japan or from outside of Super Rugby. But
I think the rule I need to change to allow
players to move freely within Super Rugby and New Zealand
Rugby needs to get real about the situation they're facing
right here, and that is that players can earn a
truckload more money overseas.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
So they need to open it up and.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Allow players better opportunities, better commercial opportunities, and allow them
to capitalize on the clear commercial opportunities that exist within
not only New Zealand, but Australia as well and the
wider Pacific. And that might be the way that we
keep all Blacks within this competition and let those players.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Play for you.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Okay, Coops, let's get your taken on it after the break.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
The Friday sports Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty
elevate the marketing of your home.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Right, you're back with the sports hitdle Adam Cooper and
Andrew Gordy. Coops, what do you think of loosening up
the old eligibility rules for the all Blacks?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, I think something does need to change. I mean
I'm still a purist and I think that you know,
on the whole, you know, the Super Rugby competition and
keeping our here, you know, benefiting the game, you know
at a domestic level does need to be protected in
some ways, but I do think it's pretty archaic having
a one size fits all category. You know, at the
moment you need to play around seventy tests before you're
(05:13):
considered for a sabbatical. But I think these kinds of
decisions to actually be made on a case by case basis.
You know, some common sense assess you know what lies ahead,
and a richie wrong his case. You know, he could
have had a case where he's obviously nowhere near seventy
tests yet, but to be able to head away and
be in far less of a messy situation, not just
for him, but forty's on a rugby and where they
(05:35):
are now. But I actually think they need to do
all they can to get him back. It was a
mistake letting him go. They're going to have to break
some of their own rules to get him back, and
it could well set a precedent.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
But you know, hopefully if.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
They are bringing him back, they learn from this and
they do tweak some of these rules because it is
not moving in the right direction. I think for any
parties that the sport of rugby, all the players themselves.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Goodie, now let me get this right o case. So
you think the rules should change, but not for Richie?
Is that right?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Not for Richie because he's playing in Japan. What I'd
like to see change is players allowed to move freely
within the Super Rugby right and so the example I'll
give you is that Ardie Savi can go and play
for the New South Wales Warritors and he can pick
up massive endorsements over in Sydney. Like the players who
are contracted to Rugby Australia are far better able to
(06:22):
leverage their commercial sort of well leverage liverage the commercial
opportunities that are available over in Australia than New Zealand
players are. And I think that's something that New Zealand
Rugby needs to get their head around. Allow that freedom
of movement. Players who are playing and Super Rugby can
represent the All Blacks, but they can earn a lot
more money by representing.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Allow them to go off and play if they want
to play in Ireland, will play in Japan and come
back and represent the All Blacks. It hasn't gone half
badly Fantina or South Africa, has it.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, it's going to weaken the weaken our domestic competitions
massively like Super Rugby will will suffer very badly in NPC.
I'd argue might just die. So it's all about protecting
the domestic competition, which is a factor that absolutely needs
to be considered.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yes, but the reality is that the floodgates.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Or that we opened the door to this when Dan
Carter went on sabbatical way back and what was it
about two thousand and eight. Yeah, and now it's like
the Oprah Winfrey mean, you know, you get a sabbatical,
You get a sabbatical.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Everyone gets a sabbatical.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
And so now it's taken about fifteen or so years
for us to reach this point where the sabbatical doesn't
mean anything like it used to. And so now we're
talking about this because one prominent player and a very
important player to the All Blacks setup has decided, do
you know what, I'm going to take the money. And
he's played to Rugby World Cups. He hasn't had success obviously,
but he's decided, I've had my time in the All Blacks.
(07:40):
I've got to go and earn my money.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, fair enough. Listen, really quick take from you on this, please, coops.
Do you think that the next time someone who leads
the Hucker for the All Blacks goes to the rugby
management and says I want to do something political, they'll say.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Yes, Ah, They're going to have to delve into it
a lot more, I think, and you know, to a
few more, few more checks and balance. Yeah, it's certainly
gonna I think. You know, the management are the biggest
losers of all this. You know, it's blown up to
a point where a lot more than I think, you know,
they they wanted it, they expected it too, and was
(08:14):
probably just yeah, just to sended up a far worse situation.
So I expect a lot more scrutiny around around where
this goes, probably some more guidelines set up and maybe
some rules in place with those that are leading it.
But you know, I think we talked on Monday here
the four days on. It's kind of gone away now
it was ten seconds of the start of it.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
You wait until you see the text machine after you've
finished talking mat and they're still angry about it. What
do you reckon?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Goodie?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
What I'll say is this here that people like Adam
Cooper and I have sat in front of so many
athletes over the years who don't say anything, and I
sit there sometimes begging them to say something, do something
that is going to be half interesting. So if you
think that I'm going to come on your program this
afternoon and crucify TJ. Pett something different, you can think.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
You know, that's a fair point.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's lovely to talk to you. Enjoy your cricket and
all the sport this weekend. That's Adam Cooper, host to
All Sport Breakfasts and Wellington and Andrew Gordy enzb key,
we head of Communications.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to
News Talk zed B from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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