Two teens are missing from the Government’s bootcamp, and one has died.
ANZMIN meeting took place in Auckland today between Australian and New Zealand foreign affairs and defence ministers.
Senior political correspondent Barry Soper is in studio discussing this and whether the bootcamps are working.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Barry So, senior political correspondence with US.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hey Barry, good afternoon, and welcome back here.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Though, Oh thank you so much, Barry. I'm just so
happy to be here. No, I actually am. I was
getting quite bored. Hey, okay, so the boot camps, Now,
what's the situation. What do we know about these dudes
who have run away?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well, it's incredible, isn't it. As soon as you see
something going wrong, no matter what it is, you've got
the calls for the boot camps to be closed down,
that they don't work, and it's wishful thinking, I think
from the opposition because they were tried in the past
they didn't work very well. But this one and they're
legislating for them. These will be for not the boot
(00:37):
camps themselves, but the procedure will take a year to
get these kids, hopefully back on the straight and narrow.
What happened here was it was tragic that one of
the participants in the camp died in a car crash
in terral last week. And there was a tonguey. And
(00:57):
the thing that I found interesting it wasn't really explain
one escape from the tonguey despite being supervised by to
a rung A tame Iriki staff and then another left
a funal that he was staying with later. The transition
from the youth justice facility, which is the boot camp,
(01:18):
to the community phase was always seen as going to
be the most difficult part of the twelve month program.
Now the second young person who had scondered, as I said,
was living with fun Ow, so he wasn't being supervised
by a rung Atamamuriki but a rung A tam Iriki's
Youth Justice boss Tusha Penny, spoke to the media after
(01:41):
appearing before a Select committee at Parliament today and said
the death was always likely to be a trigger that
would lead to something like this.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
These events may happen again. This is the transition phase.
We are dealing with complex, high risk youth offenders. We're
not going to give up. We've got to keep going.
There is no other option and we're dedicated to seeing
this through. We have already seen a degree of change
in some of these boys. That one is an employment.
(02:11):
We have one doing work experience, we have another who's
about to go employment, and we have several engage with education.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
See, I think that's great.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Without the boot camps.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Precisely, and you know they're being given the opportunity and
clearly the majority of them are taking it. And that's
what this should be all about, rather than people on
the outside criticizing these kids are the dregs when it
comes to offending, you know, like you said, they've got
to commit very serious offenses our age between fourteen and seventeen.
(02:45):
The recidivism rate from Youth Justice residents is between sixty
and eighty percent. That's what it has been and hopefully
these boot camps will rectify that.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yes, Hey, what did we get out of that meeting
with Australia today?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well not a lot really. It's a bit of a handshake,
way of the flag type meeting. But it's called ensman.
It's I don't know why, but it's a ministers. Yeah.
So you had Judith Collins and Winston Peters and the
Australian counterparts at the meeting. Questions were raised and would
(03:24):
be rather embarrassing for New Zealand about the sinking of
the marh and Anui and it was embarrassing, but Judith
Collins put on a pretty pray face set that they
were very upfront about it. Of course, they had no
choice other than being upfront. New Zealand wants to be
more interoperable with the Australian Defense forces and an agreement
(03:44):
to that end was signed. The Aussies were polite when
it came to defense spending. They've been critical of New
Zealand in the past, but their minister said that it's
not the amount that's spent, but what it's spent on.
New Zealand's spend is one point one eight percent of
GDP for defense, Australia's is just over two percent, so
(04:07):
it's not a hell of a lot. More on Orcas
Pillar two, they talked about the technology side. Again, New
Zealand was pretty silent on that, but look the two
ANZAC defense ministers, due to Collins and Richard Miles, they
were certainly on the same page when it came to
how they see the Pacific.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
At the moment, the strategic landscape is as complex as
it has been since the end of the Secondmore War.
We are seeing the rules based order, which is very
much in the interests of Australia but also of New
Zealand being placed under significant pressure in places like Eastern Europe,
but throughout the end of Pacific, as well.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
The world is not a happy place. Pacific is not
free of conflict, in tension and stress and strategic maneuvering,
and we have to play our part not only who
protect and look after ourselves, but also our Pacific neighbors
and the Southeast Asian area.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
See and that's where August two comes into being really Heather,
when it's stalled at the moment talkers, but look, I
think the United States will pick this up and run
with it when Donald Trump comes to power because it
clearly is seen as being anti chart Barry, Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We'll wrap the political week that was with you after
six Again, that's very super senior political correspond For
Speaker 5 (05:27):
More from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to News
Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
Barry So, senior political correspondence with US.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hey Barry, good afternoon, and welcome back here.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Though, Oh thank you so much, Barry. I'm just so
happy to be here. No, I actually am. I was
getting quite bored. Hey, okay, so the boot camps, Now,
what's the situation. What do we know about these dudes
who have run away?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Well, it's incredible, isn't it. As soon as you see
something going wrong, no matter what it is, you've got
the calls for the boot camps to be closed down,
that they don't work, and it's wishful thinking, I think
from the opposition because they were tried in the past
they didn't work very well. But this one and they're
legislating for them. These will be for not the boot
(00:37):
camps themselves, but the procedure will take a year to
get these kids, hopefully back on the straight and narrow.
What happened here was it was tragic that one of
the participants in the camp died in a car crash
in terral last week. And there was a tonguey. And
(00:57):
the thing that I found interesting it wasn't really explain
one escape from the tonguey despite being supervised by to
a rung A tame Iriki staff and then another left
a funal that he was staying with later. The transition
from the youth justice facility, which is the boot camp,
(01:18):
to the community phase was always seen as going to
be the most difficult part of the twelve month program.
Now the second young person who had scondered, as I said,
was living with fun Ow, so he wasn't being supervised
by a rung Atamamuriki but a rung A tam Iriki's
Youth Justice boss Tusha Penny, spoke to the media after
(01:41):
appearing before a Select committee at Parliament today and said
the death was always likely to be a trigger that
would lead to something like this.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
These events may happen again. This is the transition phase.
We are dealing with complex, high risk youth offenders. We're
not going to give up. We've got to keep going.
There is no other option and we're dedicated to seeing
this through. We have already seen a degree of change
in some of these boys. That one is an employment.
(02:11):
We have one doing work experience, we have another who's
about to go employment, and we have several engage with education.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
See, I think that's great.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Without the boot camps.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Precisely, and you know they're being given the opportunity and
clearly the majority of them are taking it. And that's
what this should be all about, rather than people on
the outside criticizing these kids are the dregs when it
comes to offending, you know, like you said, they've got
to commit very serious offenses our age between fourteen and seventeen.
(02:45):
The recidivism rate from Youth Justice residents is between sixty
and eighty percent. That's what it has been and hopefully
these boot camps will rectify that.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yes, Hey, what did we get out of that meeting
with Australia today?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Well not a lot really. It's a bit of a handshake,
way of the flag type meeting. But it's called ensman.
It's I don't know why, but it's a ministers. Yeah.
So you had Judith Collins and Winston Peters and the
Australian counterparts at the meeting. Questions were raised and would
(03:24):
be rather embarrassing for New Zealand about the sinking of
the marh and Anui and it was embarrassing, but Judith
Collins put on a pretty pray face set that they
were very upfront about it. Of course, they had no
choice other than being upfront. New Zealand wants to be
more interoperable with the Australian Defense forces and an agreement
(03:44):
to that end was signed. The Aussies were polite when
it came to defense spending. They've been critical of New
Zealand in the past, but their minister said that it's
not the amount that's spent, but what it's spent on.
New Zealand's spend is one point one eight percent of
GDP for defense, Australia's is just over two percent, so
(04:07):
it's not a hell of a lot. More on Orcas
Pillar two, they talked about the technology side. Again, New
Zealand was pretty silent on that, but look the two
ANZAC defense ministers, due to Collins and Richard Miles, they
were certainly on the same page when it came to
how they see the Pacific.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
At the moment, the strategic landscape is as complex as
it has been since the end of the Secondmore War.
We are seeing the rules based order, which is very
much in the interests of Australia but also of New
Zealand being placed under significant pressure in places like Eastern Europe,
but throughout the end of Pacific, as well.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
The world is not a happy place. Pacific is not
free of conflict, in tension and stress and strategic maneuvering,
and we have to play our part not only who
protect and look after ourselves, but also our Pacific neighbors
and the Southeast Asian area.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
See and that's where August two comes into being really Heather,
when it's stalled at the moment talkers, but look, I
think the United States will pick this up and run
with it when Donald Trump comes to power because it
clearly is seen as being anti chart Barry, Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
We'll wrap the political week that was with you after
six Again, that's very super senior political correspond For
Speaker 5 (05:27):
More from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to News
Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the
podcast on iHeartRadio
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