Full Show Podcast: 10 December 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Pressing the newsweakers to get the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's Ryan Bridge on Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand, let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
New Stalk said, be good afternoon. At a seven after four,
the government is shutting down a one hundred and fifty
million dollar industry. Greyhound racing gone. Winston Peters made the call,
he's with us. After five. Supermarkets could be facing criminal
charges over pricing, but will they actually care? Plus eighty
four percent of us want physical cash to stay put,

(00:32):
to stay in circulation for privacy reasons. So what on
earth are we buying? We asked the Reserve Bank after.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Six, Ryan Bridge?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Why do we in this country, Ryan Bridge, keep kidding
ourselves that we can take on the big corporates and win.
Why do we keep doing this? Big banks, big supermarkets,
big petrol, big tech, big insert anything you hate paying
for here. We're a small country. Let's be real, the
size of Sydney at the bottom of the world. Stuff
is more to get here, and in revenue terms, we're

(01:02):
a blip on the radar to multinationals. We're an afterthought.
I'm not opposed to beefing up kibibank and accepting the
ComCom recommendations. But can we stop kidding ourselves that this
will make a significant or even material difference to our
day to day lives. What did the retail fuel crackdown
get us? The supermarkets that report reckoned we were being

(01:23):
overcharged a million bucks a day, a million bucks a
day in excess profits. They said, whatever that means, So
even if we had perfect competition in the market, we
would still only get a dollar forty extra per week
per person. Sure it all adds up, but come on,
if that's everything they reckon going well in an ideal world?

(01:44):
Is it going to make a difference? Plus? Our response
is often does the opposite. It's more tax and regulation.
Is meta Facebook's parent company going to stomach paying a
media tax without cutting services or a digital services tax
like Labour wanted before the last. Could we whack social
media with that and not face retaliatory action. No, we're small,

(02:08):
they're big. It's David and Goliath. But we keep kidding ourselves,
and our politicians keep giving us this false hope that
we can punch above our weight and win. No, we
can't and we won't, And when politicians tell us we can,
it's retail politics. It's basically nothing. It makes us feel
like we have control over something that we don't. Maybe
it's time we stop the policies of false hope and

(02:29):
the politics of false hope, and the politics of bashing
big business and started cutting red tape and taxes for
them instead. Now here's a radical idea, roll out the
red carpet. That's what Ireland did. And now they have
so much tax revenue pouring into their coffers they literally
don't know what to do with it. They are drowning
in tax cash. It's a low tax haven and they're

(02:49):
quite happy with that. They even went to the EU's
highest court a couple of months ago. Apple was going
to have to pay them twenty three billion dollars in
unpaid taxes. The Irish didn't want it. Imagine having that problem,
not wanting twenty three billion dollars in tax revenue. That
is a nice problem to have. Meanwhile, so they're drowning

(03:11):
and tax cash. Meanwhile we're squabbling over, you know, five
cents on a tomato down at the supermarket.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Bryan Bridge, this.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Gone ten after four News Talk, said b There are
calls for the government to step in after the bn
z's been given permission to close Gloria Vale's bank accounts.
Gloria Vale's lawyer said last month that the loss of
banking services will effectively end the community. Benz has made
the call after the Employment Court found a number of
former Gloria Ail members had worked since the age of

(03:38):
six and were subject to physical punishment. Brian Henry was
the lawyer who represented those former members and he's with
me this afternoon. Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Ryan, Brian. You
want the government to step in here, What exactly do
you want them to do?

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Well.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
Gloriavale is a group of people. There's a leadership who
I consider to be part of the dark arts of
the world, and then there's the people in there who
are the victims and the followers, and they're just innocent followers.
Gloriavale's assets are their life's work. It is their superannuation scheme,

(04:16):
it is their asset. It's hidden trust by the leadership
and they lose everything.

Speaker 6 (04:24):
Now.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Gloriavale needs to have a statutory manager appointed who takes
over control. They need a plan similar to Lake Elis,
where they look at all the families help them in
this system. There's plenty money there there's forty five to
sixty five million, and it's something that would sell fun.
Then you look after the victims at the moment. The

(04:45):
victims are not just those who have left, but a
lot of people inside there still are victims of these perpetrators.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So you were saying that the people on the outside
have actually escaped, they are going to miss out on
money that is owed to them through this organization. It's
not just.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
That there are people inside there who need to be
freed from the tyranny of what's going on there and
reset up in society where they get a decent education
for their children and they have the opportunity to live
life as free people, not as people with free will
crust out of them before they're three months old. And

(05:25):
it's a double edged sort here. There are people inside
and there's people outside whose money is at stake, thesesets
are at stake.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
What about those who might say, well, the people who
are still there, that's their choice. Their adults, No, there's
no choice.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
They can't leave. They have practices on them from birth
to break their free will. They and I've got evens
just recently of girls practicing a dance and the dance
is an interpretation of the Bible. If you go to Hell,
if you leave Gloriolal. This is a community that is
very controlled. They do not have free will in there

(06:01):
at all. In fact, free will is driven out of them.
They have to be in what's called unity and in
submission to the overseeing shepherd, full stop. They have no
choice to leave.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Okay? Can we so that aside? The BE and Z
has given a three month notice period, so by March
next year they could be without a bank. Their lawyers
say this could end the community as we know it.
Can we rule out another bank coming into you give
them the services they need? I guess yes we can.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
The BE and Z hasn't acted in a capricious manner
on this. The B and Z, like all financial institutions
around the world, raise money from various funding lines. The
international law is quite clear you do not have child labor,
you do not have forced child labor in banking arrangements.
That is well understood international law. But in New Zealand

(06:51):
we have the Labor Inspectorate and apparently Crown Law signing
off saying six year old boys who if they don't work,
dn't eat and if they don't where Carden beaten with
shovel handles are volunteers. Now New Zealands is out of
kilter with the world. This is recognized worldwide and something
that should not be happening in a first world country,

(07:13):
and here it is still going on today, nothing done
about it. It's time someone stood up and became accountable
in government.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Brian, thank you very much for your time this afternoon,
Really appreciate it. That's Brian Henry. He's the lawyer who
represented those former members of Gloria Vail. Of course there
are many still there, hundreds of children still there as well.
Nineteen nineteen is the number to text. Lots of feedback
coming in on greyhound racing. The industry has been canceled.
We're also going to talk to Darcy Watergrave next. He
has information on how the industry is reacting to this.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
All ahead, who will take the White House results and
analysis of the US election? On Heather Duplessy Alan Drive
with one New Zealand, Let's get connected News Talk, said
B Sport with TB get your bed one bit responsibly.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Seventeen after four News Talk ZBB. This is a texta
has come in excellent about the people are celebrating around
the country. Excellent news about the greyhound racing industry being
shut down. Now to do the same with the rodeo
and the reintroduction of live animal exports. Darcy Watergrave is
with US sports talk host seven pm tonight on News
Talk ZIB Darcy, Good afternoon.

Speaker 7 (08:20):
And good after baboon to you as well. Look, I'm
broadcasting with Ryan Bridge. The things that happen in this industry.
A great to have you on board, the depth you
are having to don't say that.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Don't rip on yourself for a lot. It's a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
A lot of people are going to be and are.
They're coming in the text are coming and thick and
us very happy with us. How's the industry responding to it?

Speaker 7 (08:40):
Well, we'll find out more about that. Ebl R Now,
the CEO of Greyhound Racing, Enz joins the show stub
after seven o'clock tonight to talk about Look, it struck
them out of nowhere.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
It was a slap in the fact they didn't know.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
They found out one o'clock this afternoon when everyone else
found out, Like I'm sorry, you what you got? Twenty
months and we're gone. But they have been investigated now
for quite some time, and the push has been toward
depowering the industry at least make it safer for the
livestock involved. And I've looked at the report and it

(09:14):
said it's not safe enough. You're working really hard to
do it, but simply it's not working. So you've got
twenty months. There are nearly three thousand dogs out there.
They've got to be rehomed. They're going to try and
help them twenty months to rehome them. They can't be euthanized.
There's a quick law, and that's saying you cannot shoot
your dogs. And there's about one thousand people involved.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
In many of them part time apparently, but that's by
the by. It's still a thousand people in their jobs.

Speaker 8 (09:40):
Do you.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Here's my thing about all of this. It's happened so quickly,
you know. They literally Winston Peter's announced it at one
o'clock and the legislation has been introduced into the House
this afternoon. The idea was that it would stop these
dog owners from euthanizing their own dogs.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
You'd think they wouldn't want to.

Speaker 7 (10:02):
And every greyhound person you talk to says, we love
the industry because we love our dogs. We love breeding
our dogs. It's all about our dogs. So from that side, know,
why would they wouldn't do it. You've got twenty nine
hundred dogs fighting around out there. What do you do
with them? Or where do they go? How do they
re home? Twenty nine hundred greyhound I don't know how
it operates, but they've got twenty months to do it.

(10:24):
And I'd say you're devastating for a lot of people,
but falling very much in line with the glibal expectations
around greyhound racing. There are only five countries left that's
say it's.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Try to do it, so we're real out in Australia
one of them.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Yeah, of interest, So there's I suppose then you look
at the death toll, if you will, and then you
look to the bloodstock industry, and I wonder in horse
racing how many horses also and whether that expand to that?
Now would you see on some peters there's a friend
of the industry's turning around and going, you know what,

(11:01):
no more horse racing.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
I don't see that happens competers on the program, So
we'll put that to him. Do you all blacks have
unveiled their scheduled for next year. Any big surprises, We're
not really a surprise.

Speaker 7 (11:12):
More probably the most keenly anticipated test on his zeland soiling.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Quite some time. New Zealand. Don't get beaten at Eden Park.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
Okay, it's a fortress and it has a moat with
a dragon and there's no way they're going to beat
fifty tests now and so what are we going to
do when the South Africans come over. The Springboks are
the best team in world rugby and have been for
the last few years. Who we've lost over the last
four consecutive matches. They're hosting them at Eden Park for
the first of two tests for the Freedom Go now
this to me, Cony's they're getting it out and going, okay,

(11:40):
we're fine. Scott Robinson, I hope you prepped for this
because they're coming to get us. So this is this
is huge and I think that people will beat down
the box office doors to get tickets to this one.
This would be massive. The last time the spring Box
won on Eton Park was in nineteen thirty seven.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Wow, they could well be making history. I shouldn't say that.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Well, if the All Blacks lose, I'll make your own history.
There's been fifty Test matches in a row.

Speaker 7 (12:06):
So this is going to be it's sixth of September.
All eyes on Eden Park.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
This is after the three Test series versus the French
at home.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Brilliant Darcy, thank you very much, looking forward to seeing
your show tonight, Darcy Waldegrave Sports Talk. I'm not on
Telly yet listening to listening to your.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Shame to pretty even television.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Can't you tell Darcy's with you? After seven on News Talk,
said b it is twenty one after four.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Hard questions, strong opinion, Ryan Bridge on Heather do for
see Alan Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
News Talk zed B across.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
The testsmen, the Reserve Banks making a call on their
ocr and the next well actually right now as we speak,
so we're going to talk to Murray Olds out of
Australia about that after the news at half past. Also
greyhounds after five with Winston Peters and then with the
industry after six lots of your texts on this, Ryan,
excellent that the greyhound racing industry has been shut down.

(12:58):
Let's continue with the of them. Ryan, This is from
Louise's best decisive step taken by the government. My ten
year old daughter researched and gave a speech about the
horrors of greyhound racing at school. I thoroughly researched his
findings and was sickond by the practices that we will
most certainly be taking a dog and rehoming it if
need be, and contrast that with this from Ray. It's

(13:23):
a really good text from Ray, and I've just misplaced it.
Ray says, Ray, where are you down the very bottom?
One second? It's worth waiting for. Ask Winston what he
thinks about Bobby carves being killed each year to support
the dairy industry. If he thinks that's different, ask him
how or pigs. I'm no animal activist and I love

(13:45):
my cheese, but I see hypocrisy if he's worried about
greyhounds but not other animals who also suffer. It's a
really good point, Ray, and one we will talk to
Winston Peters about, and we will revisit at five point
twenty five, Comparing the death and injury Ray when it
comes to greyhounds versus horses, and should you actually be

(14:05):
making comparisons between the two different animals. We'll look at
that at five twenty five this afternoon. Right now it's
twenty six after four. I'll tell you what's happening. Drugs
are coming into New Zealand, methan fittamine in particular, coming
in not via South America or I don't know, a
flight from Columbia or Chile or something, but coming from Canada.

(14:25):
And today they've found well actually it was earlier this month,
but today it's been through the courts. They've found about
ten kilograms coming in from Vancouver, wrapped in Christmas wrappings,
Christmas gifts. Not something you'd probably want to receive initially,
were that way inclined, I suppose, but just a cursory
Google third case to come in from Canada to Auckland

(14:49):
Airport from Vancouver. So Sunday eighth December you had ten kilograms,
you had ten kilograms in October, and you had a
Canadian national in August with nine point nine telegram three
point five million dollars worth. Apparently they for exactly that
reason that you wouldn't necessarily suspect it coming from a
safe place like Canada. That is why they are sending

(15:10):
it through North America, and obviously our border staff are
onto it. Twenty seven after four news talks.

Speaker 9 (15:16):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Day, Oh aren't you I need you?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Old girl?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Uh need It's beautiful, says it Oh.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge on
Heather dup se Ellan Drive with one New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Let's get connected and use talks.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
The'd be no, it ain't like ducking bankers can that's
sign by myself.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Don't back that help me?

Speaker 10 (15:49):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
It's great to have you come me. Barry Slope is
going to be with us shortly. Who could forget this
moment out of parliament? So Jerry Brownlee has just done

(16:11):
a big crackdown in parliament against the MPs from Tapati
Malori who instigated that hacker. We'll find out exactly what
that means for them. Very sloping with us shortly. Right now.
It is just gone twenty five away from five.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
It's the world wires on newstalgs Eddy Drive.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
The NYPD is talking tough after the arrest of a
man suspected to have killed the health insurance CEO in Manhattan.
His name is Luigi Manguoni. He's been arrested and charged
after he was identified by McDonald's employee in Pennsylvania. He's
the NYPD Deputy commissioner there.

Speaker 11 (16:45):
Here's a message to the criminal element that think that
they want to commit a crime in New York City
and cross state lines county lines.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
The message is very clear.

Speaker 11 (16:57):
Police Commissioner test his police department will find you and
bring into justice.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Israel's going on the attack inside Syria. The Israeli Defense
Force has advanced into the country's southwest, attracting criticism from
Saudi Arabia, Kuta, and Iraq. The Israeli Prime Minister Netanyah,
who says Israel is ensuring its own.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Security in light of the new developments in Syria.

Speaker 12 (17:18):
I don't think it's set our interest to go through details,
but we are taking more steps that you will learn
more about in the future.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Finally, this afternoon, the oldest known wild bird in the
world has proven that you're never too old to hit
the dating scene. Wisdom the albatross is seventy four. Its
experts think she might be a widow who breeding partner
for life. Hasn't been seen for four years, but Wisdom
has recently been hanging out with a new male albatross,

(17:49):
and this week she's landed a laden egg in a
sanctuary at Midway Atoll. Congratulations to the happy couple.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Australian correspondent to Marry Olds's with us this afternoon, Murray,
the Reserve Bank, I've held steady, Yes.

Speaker 9 (18:09):
Indeed they have very good afternoon, Ryan. The Reserve Bank
over here, last meeting for the year, and this is
the bank of course, it sets official interest rates, and
lots of hope obviously yet dashed. If there was any hope.
Most economists were saying, there's nowhere known. They're going to
go today and they haven't, and now we're looking at

(18:29):
maybe before the end of the financial year, which in
Australia is the end of June. So there's no hope.
For Anthony Alberanezi Somen was saying he was hoping for
an interest rate cut because you know before the election
whenever that's going to be held, must be held by May,
so is there going to.

Speaker 13 (18:47):
Be one before then?

Speaker 9 (18:47):
Because cost of living is going to be the single
biggest issue in the election over here, and so if
he was waiting for one, sorry, no good and indeed
it's it's going to be an election. Notwithstanding whatever Peter
Dutton has to say about all the peripheral stuff, it's
going to be about cost of living first and foremost,

(19:10):
no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Any and poor old elbow hasn't had a good time
in the polls of late has he and Dunton. You
mentioned Dutton. He's he's announced he's not going to stand
in front of the Aboriginal flag if he becomes Prime minister.

Speaker 9 (19:24):
Yeah, that's right. I mean, that's about all he's got
really to offer. Peter Dutton, he's in charge of the
no ALII says labor.

Speaker 13 (19:31):
Now.

Speaker 9 (19:32):
What Dutton's done here is has appealed purely to the
you know, the Conservatives over in Australia. Absolutely, you know,
the right wing. We go, oh you beauty Pete. He
won't stand in front of the Aboriginal flag. Well you know,
I mean there's a lot of people have been saying, well,
it's he says it's all about unity, but it's clearly
just another another I suppose a bit of meat thrown

(19:56):
to the right wing. Who hates who hates Alvin Easy?
They like Dutton. They say it's time, you know, elbows
stuffed up with labor as soon as Albanzi got in.
He stood before the Australian flag, the Aboriginal flag and
the Torres Straight Island flag. Well, Dutton says, forget that.
He's given that a big backhander. He's also given that,

(20:16):
you know, an example of the way that Dutton is
operating over here now, as you say, riding high on
the poles. He's given Albanezi your backhand. If for not
slapping Woolworths in a pub group, for saying that we're
going to celebrate Australia Australia Day, He's ever it's Albanize.
He's rolled to go out and give Wilworths a bloody,
bloody nose. They're saying, well, you got to sell Australia
Day merchandise. Well, no, it's not what the Prime Minister does.

(20:37):
But it doesn't matter. Dutton's making hay and he's doing
very well on the poles, which you.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Say, yeah, feeling confident by the looks and sounds of
it too. Yeah, poor old Rupert Murdoch are not getting
his way in court.

Speaker 9 (20:49):
I wouldn't be saying poor old Rupert Murdoch. I've never
heard those words in the same sentence. But I'd love
to be a flying the wall of the Murdock Christmas
Party because they are all here. We understand they're all
Some may have left on the back of this ruling
in Nevada. It's a New York Times story that's been
reported that Rupert Murdoch, the long story short Murdoch, after

(21:13):
a second divorce, he set up what was called an
irrevocable family trust that would share all the voting rights
about the future of News Corporation and any other news
corp entities. Those four adult children, Prudence from his first marriage,
then Lachlan, Elizabeth, and James. Those four would share all
the voting rights going forward. All children that Murdoch has,

(21:35):
he has the two with Wendy Den, for example, all
would share the money, and there's plenty of it. It's
about he's word about fifty billion US dollars. But he
wanted to change that irrevocable trust because he wanted to
make sure Lochlan, his oldest son, going forward after Rupert's death,
that Lochlan would have control of the empire. Lochlan is conservative.

(21:56):
The other three much more progressive, muctual liberal in our
liberal sense of the word than Lachlan. Anyway, Dad failed.
He failed to convince the court in Nevada that would
be in the best entries of all involved. His argument was,
if my conservative sons in charge going forward, the business
would be a hell of a lot better and provide

(22:18):
better financial dividends to all the children than if the
other three can vote them down on different things. Anyway,
the court said, where's the quotes here? That Murdoch had
acted in bad faith quote and had carefully crafted a
charade to try and win over the court. So he's failed.
There's going to be an appeal that would be fascinating.

(22:39):
But like I say, mate, wouldn't it be fun to
be a fly on the wall at the Murdoch Christmas
party here in Sydney?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
I certainly would be. I bet the food would be good. Murray,
thank you for that, Murray. Old see Australia Correspondent with
us at eighteen minutes away from five and bread bread
Really interesting. What's happening in Europe as a result of
what's happening in Syria. So obviously in Syria, the Assad
regime has fallen, and every one who fled Syria and
fled the regime now living in places like Germany and Austria.

(23:06):
What happens to them? The place that they've fled is
now a very different landscape. Germany and Austria have paused
their asylum applications for Syrians. Isn't that fascinating? And to
different degrees, the Austrians have gone a lot harder on
this than the Germans have at the moment anyway, So
the Interior Minister for Austria says, I have instructed the

(23:26):
ministry to prepare an orderly repatriation and deportation program to Syria.
Family reunions have been suspended because obviously you've got the
far right taking over it in some corners of these countries.
Right The problem is much greater in Germany, much bigger
in Germany. Roughly ninety five thousand Syrians in Austria, but
remember Anglo Merkle took a million Syrians, so the problems

(23:49):
much bigger there, and they are going a little bit
softer on it, saying we'll wait and see. But in
Austria they're already talking about kicking people out. Some right
wing politicians in Germany are talking about cash payments to
get Syrians out of Germany back to Syria. So a
lot happening. There are seventeen minutes away from five news talks, heib.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Barry Soper next politics was Centrics credit, check your customers
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Speaker 3 (24:14):
Heb it is fourteen away from five. And in parliament
that hacker that went around the world many many times.
Those who took part now being disciplined. Barry Soper, senior
political correspondent with us this afternoon, Burry good get.

Speaker 14 (24:26):
A and rightly so right, good afternoon. I said at
the time that I thought it was the most disgraceful
performance I've ever seen in a parliament in my more
than forty years of covering it. It was totally totally disorderly.
Parliament should never be reduced to that, and the Parliament

(24:47):
has to have some sort of sanctity and they just
blew it out of the water. And don't be surprised
if you see them doing it again because they're being
very defined even though they are going before the privileges
come out. So parliament began today with the Speaker Jerry
Browne rightly saying that the behavior of Labour's PENNI henare

(25:10):
now henare didn't go up and remonstrate right in the
front of the desk of David Seymour. But he got
out into the the corps of Parliament, which he shouldn't be.
He should remain in a seat. Debbie Naiwa Packer, who
looked as though she was firing a pistol at David Seymour.

(25:31):
She denied that, of course, but that's what it certainly
looked like. Rawai Waye Tea. He's going to the Privilege
Privileges Committee. Hannah Raffiti, myp Clark. She's the one that
started it all, although apparently she wasn't meant to begin it.
She was handed the legislation and then took it upon

(25:54):
herself to do the haka. And look, it was disgraceful
and I think they should be dealt with firmly by
the Privileges Committee, but as we know, it'll be a
slap on the wrist of the old proverbial wet bust ticket.

Speaker 15 (26:09):
Well.

Speaker 14 (26:10):
Jerry Brownie, of course, he stood frustrated while they're up
to their antics. He had no choice essentially to take
the action as he did. As Parliament resumed today.

Speaker 16 (26:20):
The issues of members leaving their seats to participate in
an activity that was disorderly and disruptive to the procedure
of the House is something that should be considered further.
And I have determined that the actions of the Penna
hannare Debi were packer rowery and Hannah Rafitti might be
clark and participating in a disruptive activity on the floor

(26:40):
of the House on the fourteenth of November gave rise
to a question of privilege, which stands referred to the
Privileg's Committee.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh there you go, is going Have they spoken yet
about changing the upping the fines the penalties.

Speaker 14 (26:53):
They in fact they will be talking about They're having
a meeting today enough, but that's really more to see
whether the huka can be used in the future under
the Tea Kunger of right.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Okay, and look at it.

Speaker 14 (27:06):
It can be used now, but it's got to be
a arrangement with this.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Got to be planned, be a ferry decision now. Nicola
Willis told us yesterday that Winston's a man of his word,
and Winston said it would happen by wednesday. So do
we get something by tomorrow.

Speaker 14 (27:19):
Well, we're getting it this week. Let's say that. And
if Winston is amount of us, then we will see
it tomorrow, so it's imminent. The you know, the boats
that we were buying were far too big, and I
think most people accept that because the infrastructure on either
side of the Strait couldn't handle these big roll on

(27:40):
roll off rail ferries. So I would think you'll see
smaller fairies. But it blew out from seven hundred odd
million to over three billion dollars and the government was
presented with it immediately on taking the Treasury benches. It's
been suggested the break fee with the South Ends, because

(28:00):
they had started building them, will be in the order
of three hundred million dollars, So that's virtually money down
the gurgler, which is bloody terrible, but essentially Willis told
Parliament today the government had to act, as I said,
very quickly on becoming the government because the commitment labor
had just made it.

Speaker 17 (28:21):
It would not have been a good deal for New
Zealanders to have shoveled more cash at a failing project
which had blown out to more than three billion dollars
in cost, and I would say was destined to blow
out even further where there were still questions about whether
the ships could pass through the Tory Channel. It was
a failed project, and the member's defense of it tells

(28:45):
me that she does not take value for taxpayers money.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Seriously, three billion dollars, Barry, I would expect a bridge
across the cook That's right, hed greyhound racing. We've got
about a minute left. But this is fascinating from Winston
Peter's one hundred and fifty million dollar industry gone.

Speaker 14 (29:00):
Yeah, well here he is giving your leg up to
the tab given the exclusive gambling rights yesterday, and then
announcing that greyhound racing is for the chop. It's interesting
that greyhound racing. It started in my home province of
Southland in eighteen seventy six, so it's almost one hundred
and fifty years old. I was going to play some audio,

(29:21):
but I won't. I know, we're running out of time yet,
not of that exactly, but look, I find it really
interesting that I tried to find out the figures when
it came to greyhound racing that the dog deaths are
very very low though a percentage of the dogs that
do race point zero three six percent, so it's a

(29:44):
very low number. But I tried to find out then
the horse racing deaths, they would appear to me to
be much higher, although the percentages are not there. They
have cardiac arrest, they have a lot of broken limbs.
So anyway, Winston is an infinite wisdom has decided over
the next twenty months, though, debating a legislation in the

(30:04):
House today to say that greyhound owners aren't going to
be able to euthanize the greyhounds without reason. If they're
not sick, they'll be re homed. There's about two thy
nine hundred of them. I've got a friend, Old Ellen Bollard,
the former Government of the Reserve Bank. He's got a greyhound.
He parades it beautifully along Oriental Bay in Wellington with

(30:29):
a nice little dotted cover. I'm not raising it.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
He will rehomed, yes, exactly. Oh that's lovely. Well, there'd
be twoenty nine hundred more where that came from.

Speaker 14 (30:39):
Yes, there will be. So if you want one, right
there you go.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
You can be honest with you. I don't think they're
particularly pretty beautiful.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
We've got really high.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Archers, skinny and ugly. Barry Soper, thank you very much
for that, Senior political correspondent for News Talks, he'd b
it is eight away from five after five Winston Peters
on exactly this and after six reaction from the industry, putting.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
The tough questions to the newspeakers the mic Hosking Breakfast,
it's a.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
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Speaker 3 (31:11):
The man in charge, Greg four in us with us
now listen.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
The thing that is getting the goes of your customers.

Speaker 18 (31:14):
It's the pricing obviously, but I reckon it might actually
be the on time performance.

Speaker 19 (31:18):
Do you reckon you can fix that.

Speaker 20 (31:19):
I can tell you we are doing everything we can,
and I'd go a step further and say to you, actually,
cancelations is a thing that gives me greatest concern at
the moment. A fair amount of it is just simply
getting the part. We often have to wait for an
aircraft to be what they call on ground before the
supply will release a part to us. Yes, now we're
working hard on those things. We've got to do better,

(31:41):
and I do apologize because it's not where we want
it to be either.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Duplessy on the mic Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow at six
am with the Jaguar f Pace on News Talks.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
V great to have your company just gone four minutes
away from five o'clock now we're getting loads of feedback
on the gray hounds, the greyhound racing. These are the
numbers for euthanasia due to race injury or sudden death
after a race for the twenty three to twenty four
season thirteen greyhounds. The year before that, seven greyhounds. The
year before that seven greyhounds. Actually twenty twenty one it

(32:15):
was twenty seven greyhounds, so they have brought that number
down dramatically. Harness racing, this is horses fatalities twenty three,
twenty four to five, twenty two to twenty three two. Now,
obviously the important thing here is how much of what
proportion is that of overall racing that's going on, and
how does that compare between the different types of racing.

(32:36):
We'll look at this after five. Also, we'll ask Winston
Peters about it. These supermarkets also, we're going to talk
about this story after five because they're being taken to
court facing potentially facing criminal charges over their pricing. One
will they care? And two will it make a difference
to your life? We'll ask those questions ahead on Newstalks in.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Drama.

Speaker 8 (33:05):
Drama.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Drama the only drive show you can trust to ask
the questions get the answers, find the facts and give
the analysis.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Ryan Bridgjohn here the Duplessy Allen Drive.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
With one New Zealand let's get connected news talk as they'd.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Be good eating Nega seven after five and a huge
shop for the racing industry. The government has announced a
ban on greyhound racing this afternoon. The racing will be
phased out over the next twenty months. But they have
moved quickly from announcement to parliament and urgent laws are
being passed right now in our Parliament and Wellington to
prevent the unnecessary killing of racing dog dogs. Winston Peters

(33:56):
is the Racing Minister. Minister welcome to the program. The
industry says they've been basically blindsided by this.

Speaker 21 (34:03):
Was that the intention, No, it wasn't the intention, and
they shouldn't have been blindsided given that there have been
three reviews two thousand and thirteen, two seventeen, twenty twenty
one which all pointed to the need to act in
the interests of the dogs.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
How many of them are dying or being injured?

Speaker 21 (34:21):
Well, the percentage is far too high. It's about sixteen
and a half percent higher than would be any acceptable rate,
and those are the most recent findings comparative over the
last few years, and as a consequence, we've how to
do the responsible and the right thing.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
How does that compare to say, horse racing.

Speaker 21 (34:41):
Well, they're totally different animals, that's the point, and you
know they're not the same. There are injuries always in
all sorts of racing, so to speak, as they will
be in any leisurely or recreational use of animals in
that context. But these levels of injury and things going wrong,
we're just too high, too unacceptable. And the hands in

(35:05):
report in particular is spelled out what had to be
done and that wasn't done.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
So just to be clear that the death and injury
rates in greyhounds is higher, much higher than it is
for horse racing.

Speaker 21 (35:18):
It is in this context, so they're definite animals entirely,
But we also had animals being unaccounted for paper. We're
not being done and we were alluded to that and
we asked that this will be fixed up. And there
were two too many things that weren't done properly.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Eight and a half percent of economic output for the
racing industry generally. Do you know what that is in
dollar terms? What it's going to cost, well, it's about.

Speaker 21 (35:41):
One fifty million, but that'll be spread over the rest
of the industry over the next ten years, where we
hope to be bringing more than a billion dollar extra
into the racing industry. And I't forget, when we're talking
about dogs, we're talking about serious injuries here some days,
so that they've got to be put down, and that
sort of record was just too high.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
When you talk about the money, what about the people,
the thousand people who are employed in this area.

Speaker 21 (36:07):
Well, don't forget, that's about three per dog, so rather
one per three dogs. And as a consequence, many of
those are casuals. But we've given them twenty months to
reposition themselves. The rest of the season will continue. Then
one last season mid twenty five to twenty six to
the middle twenty six, and it'll be over and they'll

(36:29):
have time to relocate. Two new forms have been working,
including some of the existing industry and fracing that still survives.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
You've announced this and your rushing legislation through the House
this afternoon very quickly. Why is that To.

Speaker 21 (36:44):
Ensure that dogs are not euthanized by people at home,
they're going to be required to do that by bet
in the future all the safety messages, who the dog's
welfare has looked after? And we've got one hundred and
twenty two votes in Parliament cross pays bought for that
to happen.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Is your confidence in this industry so low that you
don't trust them even if you left it a week
that they wouldn't euthanize their own dogs at home?

Speaker 21 (37:08):
There are, of course people you can trust, and then
there are some people that don't war on trust. That's
the record, and our job is to ensure that the
over or welfare of their industry is treated as a
collective not just individual cases.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Minister, thank you very much, you try and really appreciate it.
That's Winston Peters. The Racing Minister will look at the
proportion of deaths in dog racing, particularly greyhound racing versus
horse racing and just staff to twenty past five this evening,
Ryan Bridge, the Commerce Commission is going to file criminal
charges against Woolworst New Zealand and two individual Pack and
Save supermarkets. The ComCom has accused the supermarkets of having

(37:44):
inaccurate pricing and misleading specials. John Duffy is the CEO
of Consumer and z John, Welcome to the show. Do
we know exactly what the supermarkets are alleged to have
done here?

Speaker 22 (37:57):
The commers quission's media release is a little bit they
but based on the complaint that Consumer n Z put
in that kicked this whole thing off, it looks like
there's a range of conduct involved.

Speaker 13 (38:09):
So it could be.

Speaker 22 (38:10):
From something as simple as the shelf an item on
the shelf at the supermarket, the shelf price not matching
what you're charged at the till, through to sight more
complicated potential offending around misleading promotions. So examples where the
on special price is actually more expensive than it was

(38:33):
the item was originally, or where you know two for
one deals, when you buy the twin pack, it's actually
more expensive than buying each item individually.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Is it fair to say this is minor stuff in
terms of a shopper's bill.

Speaker 22 (38:49):
Well, for each individual shopper who turns up and I
know it's charged fifty cents extra for their tin of
baked beans, it might appear minor in isolation. But if
you expand that out across all shoppers nationwide every day,
if every shoppers you know, going to one of the
other supermarkets has been charged fifty cents extra that they
shouldn't have been charged for their baked beans. Actually that

(39:11):
really adds up, and there's potentially millions of dollars.

Speaker 13 (39:14):
But over the course of a year.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Except that these charges and Will put Will Worse to
assigned for a second, but Pack and say it is
named specific stores because you know, obviously they are franchises.
So you've got Silverdale and you've got one in Hamilton.
So that's only two stores that they've managed to come
up with from that entire business.

Speaker 22 (39:32):
Well, the Commission's media release also notes that there's more
to come, so that they're saying their investigations are ongoing.
So based on what we've seen, we would expect more
food stuffs, brands, supermarkets.

Speaker 13 (39:43):
So that's Pack and.

Speaker 22 (39:44):
Save for Square and a New World to be involved
in this enforcement action.

Speaker 13 (39:50):
Enough have to wait and see.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
It's will Worse because Will Worst has come out and said, look,
obviously we will cooperate. We don't know what's happening yet.
We're waiting to find out ourselves. But sometimes errors happen.
We're updating our technology, we have a refund policy. We're
a big business. We make mistakes.

Speaker 22 (40:05):
What are you saying, well, to be frank, the supermarkets
have been running that line for years, but nothing has improved,
so you know, this isn't new news. People have been
being overpared to the supermarkets for years and rather than
investing in technology that could improve this. I mean, it's

(40:25):
twenty twenty four. Getting the price on the shelf the
same as the price in your database. It's not rocket science.
It's it's actually one of the fundamentals have been a grosser.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Is there enough getting this wrong?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
I guess for people who are listening to this, it's
not going to make a huge I mean, this is
going to be in the district court. Cases like this
are usually settled. It might be a million bucks for them,
you know, whack on the back of the hand with
a wet bus ticket. But for most consumers it's annoying
when they do it. But it's not going to save
the bank, is it?

Speaker 13 (40:58):
At an individual level?

Speaker 22 (40:59):
You're right, although actually, you know, thirty percent of consumers
we've surveyed tell us that they notice pricing discrepancies, but
they move on. That means, you know, seventy percent of
consumers are not noticing these discrepancies, So we don't actually
know what the cost of the economy, or cost to
New Zealand consumers of overcharging is when you extrapolate that

(41:22):
out across everybody who's shopping every day. Anything that we
can do that actually reduces the amount, the excessive amounts
that the supermarkets are profiting and actually leaves money and
consumers back pockets is a good thing. Ultimately, we shouldn't
be sitting aside and letting major businesses consistently mislead consumers

(41:43):
about the price of their goods.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
John, thank you very much for joining me. John Duffy,
the CEO of Consumer in ZET if you're just joining us.
The Commerce Commission is going to file criminal charges against
Woolworst New Zealand and two Pack and Safe supermarkets over
their pricing. We don't exactly know what they have done
wrong at this point, but we will find out in
due course. Coming up next, if you have kids going
to a summer music festival and you're worried about them
taking drugs, or perhaps you yourself are going to a

(42:06):
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Rewards and Airpoints Bryan Bridge drug testing at summer festivals
has had a bit of a snag. The testing agency

(43:14):
Know your Stuff says it doesn't have enough equipment to
provide a number of New Year's festivals with drug checks.
One of them is Rhythm and ELTs. The general manager
there is Harry Gorrin. She's with me this evening, Harry,
good evening, Harry. Have I got you there?

Speaker 9 (43:30):
Yeah? You do?

Speaker 23 (43:31):
Tell me?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah, I've got you. Tell me. Why haven't you got
the testing kits?

Speaker 23 (43:37):
It's not so much a kit as it is quite
an expensive piece of equipment called a spectrometer. We don't
have one, or we're not allowed the use of one
because there are not enough left in this area of
the country during the New Year's area New Year's time periods.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Basically, there's too much demand. And know your stuff's a charity,
they've only got so much resource, right. I think there's
one in Nelson that's going to get it over New Years.
How many people do you have coming to your festival.

Speaker 23 (44:05):
Ten thousand to day?

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Do you have a health and safety requirement? What if
somebody overdosed on your watch?

Speaker 23 (44:13):
A health and safety requirement doesn't stretch as far as
as drug testing per se. Our drug management plan is
very detailed, and I think if you wanted to use
an analogy it might be that you're adding sort of layers.

Speaker 15 (44:26):
Of protection.

Speaker 23 (44:29):
For our patrons and those are present with a sort
of communication strategy as well as Saint John being on
site and our Angels tent as well as a detox tent.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
So we do keep a.

Speaker 23 (44:39):
Very good eye on our customers, but another layer of
protection and a safe place for people to check drugs
would go a long way for sure.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Is there anywhere to check drugs around where the festival
is being held over that period?

Speaker 23 (44:53):
Yes, certainly we've got testing stations courtesy of all your
stuff on the twenty eighth and twenty ninth of Deceit
in one Acare and in Queenstown.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
So somebody was to know in God forbid this whatever happen.
But if something was bad was to happen involving drugs
in one of your festival goers, would you know, have
you had legal advice? What is the potential repercussions for you?

Speaker 23 (45:16):
Look, we do everything we can to eliminate drugs from
entering our festival site. Obviously, is that there is a
limit to resources and how much we can sort of
prevent from entering. And it as a music festival, we
know it happens we have medical staff, security staff, police
on site to sort of maintain and watch the intox
level of patients of patrons. We're keeping a very close

(45:40):
eye on everyone at all times, and we like to
stop things from becoming problems before their problems. So it's
not so much it's a treatment, not so much treatment,
it's prevention.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
How much does a spectrometer cost? Do you know?

Speaker 24 (45:54):
Ah?

Speaker 23 (45:55):
Look, by no means an authority on science equipment. On
a music promoter, I've been told brand new that they're
about quarter of a million dollars.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Oh wow, okay, so there's a not cheap at piece
is a kit? Harry good, Harry good to know. Thank
you very much and good luck with your festival this summer,
by pleasure, thank you so much. Harry gorrins with us.
Who's the general manager at Rhythman else in the South Island.
Ten thousand young people Redlers will head there for their
New Year's celebrations this year. Twenty two minutes after five
news Talks, he'd be.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
The day's newsmakers talk to Ryan First, Ryan Bridge, John
Heather Duper c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected at news talk, as they'd be.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Today is a perfect example at twenty five after five way.
Winston Peters is just a great politician because you never
really can predict what he will do, and you don't
expect the Minister of Racing, and he's been the Minister
of Racing in various capacities since two thousand and five,
on and off. You never really expect someone like that
who champions the industry, to come out and shut down

(46:58):
a one hundred and fifty million dollar tap of cash overnight.
They are passing the legislation in parliament. They're having their
first reading in parliament today. It's going to be phased
in over twenty months. But it's bye bye to greyhound
racing in New Zealand. And that begs the question, doesn't it.
How does greyhound racing compare because this is about safety,

(47:19):
this is about animal welfare, it's about deaths and it's
about injuries. How do they compare to other parts of
the racing industry, thoroughbred racing, harness racing, you know, dogs
versus horses. We have some numbers for you. This is
the from the greyhound racing industry. So euthanasia due to
race injury or sudden death after a race in the

(47:41):
last financial year thirteen greyhounds thoroughbred racing. This is according
to the Coalition Against Horse Racing. Thoroughbred racing for the
last financial year twenty one deaths. Harness racing five deaths
for the same period. So and obviously we're not talking
portions there of overall numbers. But if your concern is

(48:04):
animal welfare, do you not have to be concerned about
all animals equally. The minister who was on the show
after five said, actually no, they are different animals and
you have to treat them as separate cases. Do you
agree with that? You know, how serious are we about
animal welfare? Are dogs lives worth more to humans than horses?
I guess it depends on whether you're a harsey person

(48:24):
or whether you're a dog person perhaps, but you know,
should we be making a distinction? Nine ninety two is
the numbered textill we're going to have the reaction from
industry after six on news Talk set b Ray and Bridge.
Lots of your feedback coming in on that. Also lots
coming in on supermarkets and I love the examples people
are sending them through.

Speaker 9 (48:45):
Run.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
I shop at Pack and Save most days. I always
check the prices my mom does that too. Often the
mistake is in the favor of the shopper. For example,
today the special price for Ingham's Butterfly chicken was nine
dollars ninety five. The price at the checkout seven ninety five.
We are always ready to cry cheat. Often it's just
human error. Interesting that is thank you for that text.

(49:07):
That is exactly what Wilwas has said. It's often just
human era and we're a big business and we can't
control everything. Ninety is the number of text coming up.
After six. We've got the Reserve Bank on. Apparently we're
very worried about keeping cash in circulation and our privacy
the big concern. I'll tell you why.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
The name you trust to get the answers you need,
Ryan Bridge on, Heather Dupers Ellen Dry with one New
Zealand let's get connected and news talk as that'd be.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Getting twenty four away from six. After six, we're going
to talk to the Reserve Bank about cash and why
we should keep it. Many of you think we should.
You know that it is physical cash in our wallets.
If you're still one of those people over in the
United States, this is the planned attack on the healthcare
boss over in Manhattan. The guy who was killed murdered,
gunned down just before seven in the morning by the

(50:12):
Hilton Hotel in New York City. I know it's a
wild story. And now we know more about Luigi Mangioni.
He's the guy who has been arrested and charged with
murdering the Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. So his former flatmate's
been talking to CNN. He said that the alleged murderer
had chronic back pain.

Speaker 24 (50:30):
I was interviewed him before he moved in. I remember
he said he had a back issue and he was
hoping to get stronger in Hawaii.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
So he's always Yeah, so he lived in Hawaii.

Speaker 24 (50:38):
When he first came, he went on a surf lesson
with other members and unfortunately just a basic surf lesson.
He was in bed for about a week.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
We had to get a different.

Speaker 24 (50:48):
Bed for him that was more firm, and I know
it was really traumatic and difficult.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, he lived in Hawaii for a little while, and
some interesting stuff about him. You know, you ask why.
Apparently they found on him a manifesto, according to CNN,
including words like these parasites had it coming. I do
apologize for the strife and trauma, but it had to
be done. He had a problem with corporate America. But
then he was rich. According to the CNN reports, he

(51:15):
went to an Ivy League school, he got a master's degree.
He lived in multiple different states. His dad was a
property developer. His mum was a philanthropist. She died last year.
And also the how is interesting? A ghost gun? Have
you heard of one of these? A ghost gun? He
was found with one apparently that's what was used in
the shooting as well. A largely untraceable firearm that can

(51:36):
be assembled at home using kits, largely manufactured on a
three D printer. And in America, because they're so good
with guns and regulations in America, anyone, it's called a
privately made firearm. Anyone can get a ghost gun. Two
to six. Back here in New Zealand, the Education Minister
has announced a refresh of the sex ed curriculum in school.

(52:00):
The existing curriculum was designed in two thousand and seven
and a recent era report found that there are lots
of problems with the way it's implemented. A draft of
the new topic areas will be available to be taught
in Term one next year. Debbie Tohill is from the
Rape Prevention Education and she joins me, Now, Debbie, good evening. Sure,
thank you for being with me. What needs I were surprised,

(52:22):
as I think the minister was, to hear that consent
wasn't in the curriculum. It's not compulsory to be taught
in all schools to all students. Were you surprised to
hear that?

Speaker 5 (52:32):
No?

Speaker 18 (52:33):
I wasn't surprised. It's an area that we work in.
We educate a lot of schools in the Auckland area.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
And what do you think needs to be in this curriculum?

Speaker 18 (52:45):
Absolutely, we need to ensure, particularly the work that I do,
as in high schools, we need to make sure that
young people have really got understanding of what a healthy
relationship looks like and have already got understanding of what
consent mean.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
What age should we be teaching kids about this stuff?
Do you do you think, oh.

Speaker 18 (53:05):
Look, we can't begin early enough. I don't think to
be talking to our children about consent. But as I say,
we work particularly with high school students in years nineteen
and thirteen.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Right because some parents I imagine and I don't know.
I'm not a parent myself, so I don't know, but
I imagine some parents would have would be uncomfortable with
talking with their kids that young talking about sexual stuff.

Speaker 18 (53:31):
That may be true, but the reality is that all
of our almost of our young people are going to
become sexually active at some stage, and probably in their teens.
So it's really good that they have the knowledge and
skills and know what it is that they're getting themselves into. Basically,
I think it's really important to have those conversations.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
And if you don't want your kid to have them,
then you basically have to take your kid out of school.

Speaker 18 (53:59):
You can have them removed from that class if that's
what you choose.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Should we be including things like sexuality and gender identity
in this.

Speaker 18 (54:07):
Oh yes, absolutely, yeah. I think you know, young people
at that age are exploring what the thoughts and feelings
are around gender and sexuality. It's something that they see
more and more on social media, and the better inform
they are, the better decisions they're going to be able
to make.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Debbi, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.
Debbie Toehill is from Rape Prevention Education and it is
nineteen away from six.

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Speaker 3 (54:40):
Joining the Huddle tonight David Farah, the Kiwi Blog and
Curry Opolster. David, good evening to you. Great to have
you on the show, and Allie Jones read pr IS
with us too. Hey, Allie, Hi Ryan, Great to have
you here. So David will start with you. You've been
doing polling for Hobson's Pledge, looking into support fore and
against the Treaty principles builders is David's Animals Bill. Are

(55:00):
you surprised by what you found?

Speaker 13 (55:03):
Not entirely.

Speaker 19 (55:04):
It wasn't so much on the bill itself, but what
we asked was, if there's a disagreement between bodies about
what the principles of the treaty are, who should have
the final say? Should it be Parliament, a referendum, the
judiciary or the Waitingi Tribunal. And a clear majority said
it should be the people, either Parliament or a referendum.

(55:26):
So it wasn't about the detail of the bill, but
very clearly people were saying it is appropriate for Parliament
to have a role here. It's not just something ly.
The other thing that was very interesting was we asked
the question and ask people to agree. You want to
honor the treaty, but only if you can do it
so it doesn't breach fundamental human rights like quality of suffrage.

(55:50):
And that's actually the issue that's getting under all this.
In the last three years before the change of government,
a lot of stuff happened under the name of the treaty.
You had the co governance of water.

Speaker 20 (56:03):
You head.

Speaker 19 (56:05):
Wrotea a district council there we're going to have like
a voter on the general role with thy nine percent
of the vota Marol, and people didn't like that. So
what you've now got is people saying, well, you know,
we want to honor the treaty, but we want to
find out what the limits are. Is the treaty supreme
law or are there other things more important?

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Do you think Ellie that particularly the taxpayers in your
curer pole that came out yesterday that had Seymour taking
four and a half points off the National Party. Is
this proof that Seymour's strategy is working, I mean, not
just in terms of having the debate but actually getting
support for his party in the process.

Speaker 21 (56:41):
No, not at all.

Speaker 25 (56:42):
I think what's really important actually is what David didn't say,
and I think you know, when you talked about the
question around what bodies should determine the principles of the treaty.
I'm not great with maths, but when I looked at
the figures there, David, of the people who responded, there
appears to be around sixty nine percent missing. So you've
got twenty five percent to agreed that there should be

(57:03):
a referendum, twenty one percent that said it should be parliament,
sixteen percent, why tonguey tribunal?

Speaker 15 (57:10):
You did?

Speaker 25 (57:10):
Judiciary seven percent? Where's the other sixty nine percent?

Speaker 19 (57:14):
Well, not sixty nine, I'm sorry, it's thirty one.

Speaker 25 (57:17):
It's thirty one. That's sixty nine percent there, So there's
thirty one percent missing?

Speaker 14 (57:22):
Where are they?

Speaker 13 (57:23):
They're called undecides.

Speaker 19 (57:24):
They're probably the ones who just don't really understand the soul.
I understand there's a treaty, but they're not actually in
the day today just they probably don't even understand what
just talk about the prince.

Speaker 25 (57:36):
So so that's the key. And I think that you're
really simplifying this and that that thirty one percent of
undecided is actually the story, and that's what's important. And
I also think when you talk about upholding fundamental human rights.
You know, sixty two percent you said support honoring the
Treaty of White Tongy provided it upholds fundamental human rights,
with only two twelve percent disagreeing. What do people think

(57:59):
fundament intil human rights are? Is it an example of freedom, expression, liberty,
conscious religion? I mean, I think the problem here, David
is with respect. I think you're cherry picking. And when
you do surveys like this, you are wanting a certain outcome.
And when you've got a really large percentage, like you know,
thirty one percent of undecideds, that's really bloody important. I

(58:22):
think you have to explore that.

Speaker 19 (58:23):
Under mental human rights. That example was given the quality
of suffrage.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
It's the idea.

Speaker 19 (58:28):
Katherine Mansfield didn't campaign for a woman's vote to be
half a man's vote. She campaigned for votes to be equal,
and that is a fundamental human rights and international treaties
re signed up to. It's in the Build Rights Act.
But you've got people saying the treaty means that New
Zealand should be govern fifty percent by MARI, fifty percent

(58:49):
by non MARI, which means sixteen percent of the population
has fifty percent of the voting power. Now you can
believe that, but also means that you be breaching international
human rights treat and that's what's actually the debate ultimately
is about.

Speaker 25 (59:04):
And where does that come under the fundamental human rights
part of the survey that you asked though, I mean,
what do people understand what they were actually voting?

Speaker 3 (59:12):
That man just one man, one voteesn't I mean, I
think that's what you're getting at. But have an example?
Do you have an example for us, David of you know,
I mean you mentioned co governance, but actually where there
would be a fifty to fifty you would elect and
they would fifty to fifty be able to vote on
something that would you know, have an actual effect on
an individual.

Speaker 19 (59:32):
The last Labor government's review of local government recommended that
all local government go to fifty to fifty co governments.

Speaker 13 (59:42):
You had a build.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
But that it wasn't happening, was it. I mean it.

Speaker 19 (59:45):
Was but the fact that, yeah, this was recommended by
a body set up by the other They introduced a
billn to Parliament to bring that in for Rocha Rua.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
They backed down because there.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Was enough noise.

Speaker 19 (59:57):
But I meant, there's NPC you who who don't believe
in the collige of So all right, we have.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
To go to a break. I'm about to be in
big trouble apparently, so I'll quickly go to a break
and we'll come back with David Farah and Ellie Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
It is eleven away from six News Talks. He'd be
David Farah, Kiemi Blogg and carry Upholster with me on
the show, and Ellie Jones read pr welcome back to
both of you. Let's move to greyhound racing. Look, I'm surprised,
to be honest, to see Winston Peters the Racing Minutes
to stand up and say I am canceling an industry
with one hundred and fifty million dollars greyhound racing. It's
going to be phased in over twenty months. What did

(01:00:39):
you make of that, David.

Speaker 19 (01:00:41):
I'm amazingly good and very surprising because Winston has been
seeing very much as yo, this is what we want
how high? He is clearly the most pro racing MP
in Parliament. He always asks me racing minute, we might.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Have dropped to David off there, Ellie, are you there
with them?

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Here?

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
And there we go? Do you agree with David because
I mean you see him as the czar of racing, really,
don't you? And here he is, yes, taking the boot
to part of his of the own industry.

Speaker 10 (01:01:12):
Well.

Speaker 25 (01:01:13):
To be honest, I'm a huge greyhound fan and so
I don't care whether this is surprising or something that
people weren't expecting from Winston and I heard were your
comments earlier? Ryan, I think you are barking up the
wrong tree. You see what I did there. I don't
think this is about what happens on the track, both
with the greyhounds and the horses. I've heard your comparisons.

(01:01:34):
I think there, it's what happens off the track. You know,
there are dogs that are disappearing. You can't make fifty
horses disappear. There are some owners that have got hundreds
and hundreds of dogs and if they don't run, then
they cull them. So I think I did hear Peters
refer to that. I think that's the difference here between
greyhound racing and horse racing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Did you say you're into greyhound racing?

Speaker 21 (01:01:57):
Oh?

Speaker 25 (01:01:58):
No, into greyhounds. Oh you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've
had I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Not this is a one eighty. This is not what
I expected from you, Ellie.

Speaker 25 (01:02:09):
No, no, we adopt them. So our last one, Billy,
died in February at the age of ten.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
No, it was really really Ellie. Honestly, I had you
down at the tab, I had the track racing on.

Speaker 25 (01:02:22):
I don't even go to cap Dave Ryan, No, it's
not it's not me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Hey, just before we go cash, I think we've got
David fairback with us. David the cash thing. So the
Reserve banksy is they're going to bring in and they
the most feedback the Reserve Bank has ever had on
anything they've taken to the public. Eighty four percent of
us want to keep physical cash because safety a security
rather privacy. We don't want people knowing what we're spending

(01:02:48):
our money on. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 19 (01:02:51):
Yeah, as a security blanket, I think most people will
be like me. I pay cash once or twice a
year only if I have to. But people like the
idea that if there's a problem they can pull the
cash out of a bank, they can stick it under
their bed etce the thought of like all your wealth
is tied up a digital currency which might be could

(01:03:13):
be hacked, etc. I think is definitely a factor.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Ellie, what about you, I suppose you need your cash
for your tab bets?

Speaker 25 (01:03:23):
No, No, it's all done online, right, and all done online.
I do actually carry cash around with me, and the
reason I do, and I use it maybe two to
three times a week, is that I will not I
refuse to pay the surcharge on payWave cards to access
my own money. So you know, when I got to
pay for something and they say that's an extra dollar fifty, gosh,
that makes me sound really petty, But I refuse to

(01:03:44):
hand more money to the banks who are already making
huge profits from us. So I will use my cash
if there's a surcharge on something for my card. So
that's the reason I do it. Do people really still
stick money under their mattresses datement? Do you think that's
a thing?

Speaker 19 (01:03:59):
I not that mean, but there are definitely still people
who don't trust the banks.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Ye know and day but with them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Oh totally. And if eighty four percent of the people
who submitted on this set actually privacy knowing no one
else knowing what I'm doing with my money, is the
most important factor. Guys thinking what are they spending it on?

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
There?

Speaker 25 (01:04:19):
That makes me really curious?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Terrorism, you know, prostitute and drugs. I don't know. Ellie,
thank you for their Ellie Jones, red PR, David farrykiv
blog and carry Opolster. It is seven away from six.
The Reserve Bank talks to us after six about exactly
this about cash and what are we spending our money on?
And if we go to a digital currency, will the
Reserve Bank be able to see what you're spending? We

(01:04:44):
asked that question after six.

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In Syria, the United States is bombing ISIS targets right now.
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face of the map. Apparently there's ten thousand fighters still
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(01:05:44):
ISIS fighters equals bad. Hence, you have America in there
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Israel involved in bombing as far in as Damascus at
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Everybody seems to have an interest in Syria, don't they,
And that is on display for the world to see

(01:06:05):
right now. Three away from six when we come back
after the news, we're talking to the boss of the industry.
That's just being wiped off the face of New Zealand
and that's Greyhound racing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
B seven after six welcome to the show. Great to
have your company this evening, and boy is this a
big story in business, but also for the people who
are involved. Greyhound racing will be phased out over the
next twenty months. It's an industry worth one hundred and
fifty million dollars a year. The racing minister Winston Peters
was on the show earlier. He told me this shouldn't
come as a surprise to the industry.

Speaker 21 (01:06:55):
They shouldn't have been blindsided, given that there have been
three reviews two and thirteen twenty one which all pointed
to the need to act in the interest of the dogs.
And I forget when we're talking about dogs, we're talking
about serious injuries here. Some need so that they've got
to be put down and that sort of record was
just too high.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Edward Reynolds, the CEO of greyhound Racing in z he's
with me this evening. Edward. Good evening to you.

Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
Yeah, good evening, Ryan, good evening, listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
You sound a bit upset.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
Oh, look, we're clearly we'd never stayed and very disappointed
with the decision, but you know it has come as
a surprise to us. But we're just looking to process.
But clearly, our concerns are with putting the right support
programs around the twenty fifty four people that derive their

(01:07:48):
income and loverhood from the industry say yeah, that that's
our immediate concern is for people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
You say you didn't see it coming. But there have
been three reviews over ten years and they've all been
highly critical. They've made significant recommendations and the Minister says
you haven't followed through.

Speaker 6 (01:08:07):
Yeah, that's not right. So there have been three reviews,
they have identified areas of concern and if we look
at the progress over the last three years, it's been significant.
The last significant review on twenty twenty Robertson reviewed raised
concerns around the youth in Asia of dogs after their

(01:08:29):
careers were finished. Also raised concern around the traceability of
dogs after their careers, the rehoming and the level of
race day ethan Asians. So in the last two years
significant steps have been taken. And if we look at
the last independent report on from the Racy Integrity Board,

(01:08:49):
who have been appointed by the government to independently monitor
our performance, the last report that went in noted that
the progress was very good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
The twenty seventeen report by the High Court judge that
found there were high numbers of unaccounted for dogs. Where
were these dogs going?

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
Well, this was at that time, you know that there
was probably dogs when their careers were finished that the
people a number of dogs we're being.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Euthanized at that point, hundreds of dogs.

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
Yeah, so we now had a hundreds of dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Were being euthanized because they just weren't good at racing
anymore of that child.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
Yeah, So we now have a euthan age policy rhyme
where a dog cannot be euthanized for any other reason
apart from welfare.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Do you see how that's a bit of a problem?

Speaker 6 (01:09:38):
Home six hundred last year we rehumed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
Yeah, I understand that in the last year or two
you've done something to turn it around. But prior to that,
and it's not that long ago, is that? Do you
think you've dug your own grave?

Speaker 9 (01:09:51):
Here?

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
Look, hindsight's great and at the end of the day,
we can only you know, we've got to live in
the present and I can look him in the iron
So that we now in many areas, lead the racing
industry of New Zealand in terms of animal welfare. We're
the only racing code where the animal has a committed
commitment that has a life once it's racing career is finished.

(01:10:13):
So every dog that's raced goes into where rehoming program
and is rehomed. And say, last year we re home
six hundred and seventy three dogs and we brewd it
just over five hundred. So you know, it was a
significant achievement and it highlights our commitment too welfare in
the interest of the dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
And now you've got twenty months to re home twenty
nine hundred do you think that's possible?

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
And twenty months?

Speaker 20 (01:10:38):
Now how long?

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
How long would it take?

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
Issue? That's the issues that need to be where throughs.
So this decisions has been announced today. We just have
to process that and consider the implications. But from our perspective,
this will where are change to the racing industry at
so we clearly will be looking to outline through the
slect committey process what we believe is that there is

(01:11:02):
a future for grayhound racing that we have taken.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
You are you going to lawyer up?

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
I think we will certainly go through a sleek committee
process and outline and why we believe there is a
place for grayhand racing and why we believe it should
continue is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
If you don't get your way. If you don't get
your way, do you think we'll have black market racing?

Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
I don't know. I don't believe that's a risk. But no,
I don't believe that's a risk, and certainly it's something
we wouldn't condain. We believe as a legitimate place for
grayhand racing. It's certainly where if its will be around
in terms of talking to politicians and correcting some of
the misinformation that's out there, in terms of what we're
doing to try and ensure that the interest of the

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dogs a paramount. Last year we had nine youth in
Asias from racing incidents.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Yeah, I've seen that four years ago at level was
sixty but to put out in respective, we'red thirty six
thousand start it's now.

Speaker 6 (01:12:03):
Level was half what the Thoroughbary code was, So you know,
unfortunately there are some instances and racing where that will
happen that we have certainly worked hard to try and
get that level down right, and our jury levels from
a benchmark perspective of lower than Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
All right, would we have to leave it there? But
I thank you very much for your time and best
of luck with that Select Committee process Edward Reynold, the
Greyhound Racing New Zealand CEO. It is thirteen minutes after
six that bill passing its first reading in the House
this afternoon. You're a newstalk, said b and coming up
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Bad news for alb and Easy, bad news for homeowners.
In Australia, the Reserve Bank over there is kept the
OCR steady. We'll talk to our correspondent over in Sydney
about that. Just after the News at six thirty this evening.
Right now, the Reserve Bank says most of us are
still keen on using physical cash. It recently asked for
feedback on making cash available in a digital form, and
the bank says it drew the highest number of responses

(01:13:30):
it has ever received on anything it is asked for.
Eighty four percent of us we're worried about losing access
to physical cash, with big concerns around the privacy of
how we spend our money. The Reserve Banks Director of
Money and Cash is Ian Wilfred and thanks for being
on the show. Why do people want the secrecy of cash?

Speaker 15 (01:13:52):
I think there are good reasons why people worry about
their privacy, and it's you know, it's a personal choice.
Is is quite a personal thing, and you know, I
think it's quite natural for people to have concerns about
people monitoring their use.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Is that what would happen with a digital currency?

Speaker 15 (01:14:14):
No, No, not at all. In fact, you know, we've
been very clear that privacy is is really important to us.
We put out a big paper on it when we
did our consultation. This is why we call it digital cash.
It's to replicate cash. You know, it's private, it's quick,
you know you can it's fast direct, you can use

(01:14:36):
it offline. That's why we call it digital cash.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
And what what am I what am I holding or
how do how do I pay with it?

Speaker 15 (01:14:45):
Well, just as you you use different ways of paying
using your private bank account. Now you might use a
digital wallet, you might use a card, you might just
plug it into the internet. It would be the same
with digital cash, right so might just be a choice that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
You have my debit card right now? You know I
have cash in my bank account. Well I don't. I mean,
that's the thing. Really, I don't do I had There's
a number on a screen. I mean, how is it?
How is it different? I guess? How is digital cash
different to what I do with my debit card right now?

Speaker 15 (01:15:20):
Well, there are a few differences. One is you could
use it person to person, So rather than transferring money
from your bank to another person's bank and then eventually
they get it, you could just do it direct. So
you've got your digital wallet on your phone, someone else
has got a phone. That's what we call peer to peer.
It's direct. You could do it offline, so when the

(01:15:41):
power is out, internet's down, you'd still have that functionality.
You can't do that at the moment. You can do
it with cash, but you can't do that with your
private flack of bank accounts.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
What about then, I think I get my head around that.
What about the privacy issue people have with digital cash?
Then how do you a we no one will know
even though it's digital, no one will know what you're
spending your money on.

Speaker 15 (01:16:07):
So at the moment, you know, when you do any
form of digital transaction, it leads, it leads a trail. Right,
there's a footprint there. But what we've said is the
reserve bank who will issue the digital cash, won't see
any of the transactions because the way you'll do the
transactions is using a digital wallet, So the reserve bank

(01:16:29):
won't see the details of.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
That, right.

Speaker 15 (01:16:31):
So that's the point that we're making.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Right, So you won't, but someone will, which I guess
is what people are worried about, which is why they
like physical cash, because you know you have complets at all. Right,
So will you ever take physical cash away from us?
Absolutely not.

Speaker 15 (01:16:46):
In fact, the two things that really matter to people
are privacy and we care about that as well, and
keeping physical cash and we care about that as well.
We're doing a lot of work on cash trials and
rural community. We're looking at how do we make the
cash system continue to be there for people? So digital
cash is not an attempt to replace physical cash. It's

(01:17:12):
to give people choice of do you want digital or
physical or do you just want to use your bank
account money.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Currently in New Zealand you only have to accept cash
as a business for debt. That's my understanding of it.
In Norway, because of the risk of Russia and cyber attacks, etc.
They're actually moving back towards cash and they're changing the
law to make it compulsory for food outlets like a
supermarket or a petrol station to accept cash in order

(01:17:39):
that they encourage cash and society. You know, should they
need it, should the power goo art, et cetera. Would
we look at something similar here. Not that Russia is
a concern, but we have frequent weather events.

Speaker 15 (01:17:52):
We are looking at all of those issues right at
the moment. So we did a big consultation a few
years ago saying, you know, there's a whole lot of
issues in the cash system at the moment. We need
to look at things like cash acceptance and cash availability.
So we're looking at all of those issues and in fact,
a lot of countries around the world are getting more serious.

(01:18:13):
Australia has just made announcements about retailers having to accept cash.
So we're definitely looking at all of that because we
care about the cash system.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:18:23):
Ian.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
That's in Wolford with me, the Reserve Bank Director of
Money and Cash, talking about well the latter cash. The
thing is I went down to Napier right after cycling
Gabrielle and anyone who was there will be able to
tell you you can't do anything without cash, and who
has cash on them these days? That's why in Sweden
right now the government has issued a booklet, a war

(01:18:47):
booklet that says you should keep cash on your person,
cash in your home, different denominations, and we're forcing you
if you're a business that sells basics necessities, we're forcing
you to accept cash if someone wants to pay with it,
because we needed in circulation. So it's interesting to hear
that they are actually looking at that because at the moment,
the only thing in New Zealand that is required to

(01:19:08):
take your cash is debt. Everything else it's up to them.
Twenty two after six News Talk said be coming up next,
Farmers Feeling Good, Jamie mckaye's life.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
The Rural Report on hither d for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Drive twenty four after six news talks, there'd be I'm
Ryan Bridgin for Heather today. Great to have your company,
and joining us is Jamie mckaye, host of the Country, Jamie.
Good evening to you.

Speaker 9 (01:19:33):
Hi's the chat.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Great to have you on. And farmers are feeling good.
Confidence is up, in fact, highest since mid twenty seventeen.

Speaker 10 (01:19:41):
Yeah, and I don't know whether it's a coincidence or not. Ryan,
the guess who was in power and mid twenty seventeen. Yeah,
so it's a bit of a tale of the tape really,
like farmer confidence has taken a bit of a battering.
Obviously COVID happened during labour six year in power, but
it'll be fair say that they didn't really have the
back of farmers. So this is the latest Rabobank rural

(01:20:06):
confidence survey, best since mid twenty seventeen. Reasons for optimism
higher commodity prices and they've even got higher Ryan, By
the way, since this survey has been completed, we've had
that ten dollars announcement from Fonterra and obviously falling interest rates,
so the other big one. But they're still the major

(01:20:26):
concern in terms of farmer confidence and would be the
same for anyone in business or owning a house. I
guess is rising input costs. No surprise. When it came
to a differing farming sectors, it was the dairy farmers
who were the most confident. And why wouldn't you be
with ten dollar milk price? Sheep farmers, the red meat

(01:20:47):
farmers are more confident because they're coming off a real
low water culture perhaps other than key we fruit just
sort of treading water.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
At the moment.

Speaker 10 (01:20:55):
And the other positive to come out of this, unless
you're in the market to buy a farm, of course,
is that farmers are expecting land values to rise in
the coming year.

Speaker 8 (01:21:05):
And I bet.

Speaker 10 (01:21:06):
That is pretty much what a lot of homeowners are
thinking as well.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yeah, a bit of confidence there. Farmers not so happy
with their banks though.

Speaker 10 (01:21:16):
No, what did Nikola Willis call it a cozy pillow fight? Yeah,
so this is Federated farmers who are on the warpath.
And my understanding, Ryan, and you heard it first on
your Higher Rating show, there is some big announcement from
Federated Farmers on this one tomorrow. They've come out today.
They've surveyed more than six hundred farmers, only fifty three

(01:21:37):
percent of respondents are currently satisfied with their banking relationship.
That's a huge drop from the eighty percent in twenty seventeen.
Sheer milkers are the most concerns. They've got more at
risk and they've got less security. Thirty five percent of
them are feeling undue pressure from their bank. Alarmingly, almost

(01:21:59):
a quarter of us feel their bank doesn't allow them
to structure their death efficiently. I making them use overdraft
facilities at very high in punitive rates to farm the
capital projects. And Richard McIntyre from Federated Farmers is saying
this doesn't just drive up interest rates for farmers and

(01:22:19):
costs for farmers, it also unjustifiably drives up the profit
for the banks. Now, it's not all bad news. If
you're banking with Rabobank, well, you're probably doing okay or
better than the average bear. Because I've got twenty three
percent of the rural market. They've slowly climbed. They do
nothing else but finance rural and farming. Are their satisfaction

(01:22:41):
rates are at seventy point one percent, and that's well
ahead of the four Burgussi banks.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Well that says at all, doesn't it Jamie, Thank you
very much for that. Jamie mckaye, host of the Country
with US. Can I just say what a little bit
starstruck there, Jamie McKay A big fan of his. Nice
to have them on the program and nice to have
you listening as well. Coming up after the News at
six thirty, we've got a lot more to get to,
including that RBA decision out of Australia.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan Bridge
with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the HR
solution for busy sms on News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Good evening, it is twenty four away from seven your
News Talk ZB. I'm Ryan Bridge. Trade chip war is
going on between Washington and Beijing in case you weren't
aware of this, and it's affecting in video now. In
video you will notice the world's most valuable company in
terms of market capitalization, and I'll tell you about that
in just a second. But basically what happened last week

(01:23:55):
was the US did this crackdown on Chinese conductor companies.
Washington puts some restrictions on about one hundred and forty companies,
including chip equipment makers out of China. Some tariffs are
basically been getting stuck into them a little bit, and
so China has now hit back and it has imposed

(01:24:17):
what it says is a well, it's accused in video
of violating anti monopoly laws in the move that's widely
been seen as retaliation for what Washington did last week.
Right in Video's value and it's just wild to think
about how valuable the market capitalization on this company three

(01:24:38):
point four trillion US dollars. It is worth more than Meta,
which owns Facebook, Tesla, Netflix, Intel, IBM combined. Incredibly incredibly
valuable company and all of that, basically all that value
basically coming in the last four years. It's known for
its AI and its gaming chips. And here's the interesting

(01:24:58):
thing about what's going on between and America rein video,
China about seventeen percent of in Vidia's revenue, so it's
not insignificant. And for China, Invidia supplies about ninety percent
of its AI chips, so they're obviously trying to get
their domestic production of this stuff going and encourage a

(01:25:18):
local industry. It is twenty two to seven. Brian Bridge,
the Australian Reserve Bank has ended the year where it
began with a cash rate of four point three five percent,
disappointing many, no more so than Albanesi, who wants to
get re elected. The bank softened its language a little bit,
saying the board had gained some confidence that inflation was
heading back to target. Paul Bloxham is the HSBC Chief

(01:25:40):
executive in Sydney. Paul, good evening, Thanks for being with me,
good day, Great to have you on the show. Let's
start with what the bank was saying. What was the message, Well.

Speaker 8 (01:25:51):
The message was that where they're making progress, inflation is
heading towards their target, albeit very slowly. It's a very
slow grind for getting care inflation, the underlying measures that
the RBA focuses on back to the RBA's target. And
so because it's a slow grind, they didn't cut interest
rates today. They didn't feel that they could do that.
But they are starting to hint that they're getting closer

(01:26:13):
and closer and just a bit more confident that inflation
will get back to where they need it to be,
and so the next move is more likely to be
down than up. Now, keep in mind, not long ago
the RBA was still talking about having options in both directions.
They were talking about not ruling in anything or ruling
out anything, and they've dropped that line line of phrasing,

(01:26:33):
and they're starting to talk more about the idea that
rates are likely to come down but not quite yet.
And then in terms of when, well it's likely to
be in twenty twenty five. Obviously they haven't got another
meeting this year. But the question then is sort of
what is the timing in twenty twenty five And that
bit is a bit harder because there's so much yet
to happen, and there's so much data flow to happen
even before the next RBA meeting, which is now ten

(01:26:56):
We still ten ten weeks away in late February.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
To be fair to the RBA our perspective, I mean,
we went much higher and earlier than they did.

Speaker 8 (01:27:04):
Right, Yes, So the approach that was taken to dealing
with the high inflation challenge that both New Zealand and
Australia based both countries faced the same challenge, the approach
was very different across both sides of the Tasman. So
as you say the ENZ had lifted interest rates early,
they lifted them a lot more. Five hundred and twenty
five basis points went hard, pushed the economy into a downturn.

(01:27:26):
You've been in a downturn for two years, and that
got inflation down quite quickly, or quicker at least. And
so because inflation came down enough after being in a
downturn for two years, the RBNZ has been able to
start cutting rates. And they've done it, you know, quite
a substantial amountment cut one hundred and twenty five basis
points already. The RBA took the slow road. They lifted

(01:27:46):
rates by left. They intentionally prioritized trying to stay close
to full employment and to deliver a soft economic landing
and not have a recession. And in doing that, of course,
the trade off was always going to be that inflation
would fall more slowly, and so it has. Inflation hasn't
yet gotten down to where the RBA is comfortable, and
we're sitting here and the RBA still hasn't had interest

(01:28:07):
rates and so, yeah, very different pathways to sort of
achieving their mandates from both the RBNZ and the RBA.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
Whose was the better approach or is it too early?
Is it too early to tell? Because I mean, you
look over here, and yes, we are dropping our rates
and we're dropping them quicker than you can you know,
your neckers after a night out going home side. But
you know, but over here it's like trying to revive
a corpse. I mean, the economy feels so beaten and

(01:28:38):
downtrodden that no matter how low they drop the rates
at the moment, we're going to take a while to
dig our way out of this.

Speaker 8 (01:28:45):
So two things. I think it's hard to like determining
which one's a better approach is really it really depends
on how much weight you put on how much preference
you've got to keeping full employment everyone in a job,
versus keeping getting inflation down. So you know, the RBNZ
decided the priority was getting to get inflation down and
to get it down quickly, and that was the way

(01:29:06):
they approached it. But the cost has been that the
unemployment rate has gone up a lot more. It's gone
from three point two to four point six percent. The
RBA their choice was, well, actually, know, we want to
keep the unemployment fairly low, and so it's gone from
three and a half to four point one. But of
course that has meant that inflation has come down more slowly,
so we've had more inflation for more persistent inflation for longer.

(01:29:26):
In New Zealand you've gone the other direction. So it
really depends on where which you prioritize. I'm a bit
more confident about New Zealand than you're describing. I think
the primary thing that's been constraining the economy really getting
the slow down, has been the high interest rates. And
now that they're going quickly in that, you know, down
in that direction, I think it's going to turn around
quite quickly. I think twenty twenty five you're going to

(01:29:48):
get quite a recovery in growth in New Zealand as
interest rates come down and households respond and the having
market responds and so on. So we'll see. But that's
my forecast in New Zealand, all.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Right, Paul Brilliant. And for Australia, the swaps are saying
it's a split chance of a drop in February.

Speaker 8 (01:30:04):
Well, that's right about that for February. Our central cases
they won't cut till the second quarter of next year,
sor April or May. But well there's a lot of
data yet to come between now and then, and so
we'll move towards it and see what happens. But Ray
cuts in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
CEM likely brilliant.

Speaker 19 (01:30:21):
Paul.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Great to have you on the show as always, Paul
Blocks and Ahspecies, chief economist out of Sydney. It is
seventeen minutes away from seven News Talk CB. We're going
to go to our UK correspondent coming up just before
seven o'clock as well. What's going on in the stay
with us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
It's all on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and
my HR the HR solution for busy SMEs News TALKSB.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Fourteen away from seven. What is Donald Trump saying about
Prince William. I'll tell you that in just a second
right now, though in the Brady is with us, our
UK correspondent, and thank you so much for being with
me this evening. Britain wants to negotiat the Brecks deal.

Speaker 13 (01:31:02):
Here we go again, Ryan, Yeah, this will be fun.
So they finally realized that well, they're seeing the impact
in the economy. Breggsit has been an absolute disaster for
the UK. So Rachel Reeves is now the Finance Minister,
or Chancellor of the Exchequer as they call her. She
has been to Europe the last couple of days she's
been to a meeting of the Euro's own finance ministers.

(01:31:23):
That in itself is significant because no British cabinet finance
minister has done this since the bregsit deal previously was agreed.
And she has turned up and she's been made welcome
and she has called for a renegotiation. So what Britain
wants is less paperwork, less of the checks on British
goods going into the European Union. What the Europeans will

(01:31:44):
want is more access to the UK fishing waters and
a youth mobility scheme so young people across Europe can
come to the UK easier, more easily to study and
to work and to have a life here. So there
is a deal to be done. The last one was
done by Boris Johnson in twenty twenty. It was not
a good one. It was done very very quickly and hastily.

(01:32:06):
He described it as oven ready. Well, in the end,
nobody wanted to eat what came out with that oven,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
No, Hey, let's talk about what Donald Trump's been saying
after his meeting with Prince William, and I'm going to
get to what he said about Prince William a little
later on, but what does he said about the king
in Paris?

Speaker 13 (01:32:25):
So we're always under the impression that private audiences with
senior members of the royal family behind closed doors should
remain private. Not so when Donald Trump is involved. He
has blabbed pretty much everything that was said. He had
a half hour sit down with William in private in
Paris at the opening of the Notre Dame Cathedral, and

(01:32:45):
he said that he asked questions about Charles's health and
the Princess of Wales's health, and with relation to the king.
Apparently William said the Trump that his dad is fighting hard. Now,
William said, this is a positive. Trump then blabbed it
off to reporters in New York the other day. It
is absolutely everywhere now in the media. Buckingham Palace have

(01:33:07):
had to come out and just kind of clarify and
say when William said his dad is fighting hard, he's
staying active, he's working, he's getting out there, that's what
he meant by fighting hard. It's not as if he's in,
you know, the last throws of cancer treatment that he's
doing his absolute utmost to stay active, keep busy and
fulfill his duty. So I would imagine people in the

(01:33:29):
Palace behind closed doors are not massively pleased with Trump.
My only kind of curiosity about this is, at what
point does someone high profile realize that everything you say
to Trump will get repeated for his own benefits. Sometime
in front of a microphone and somebody tells him a huge,
big whopper that just makes him look like an idiot.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Well, that's a good point, actually, it must be. I mean,
the Palace must have known the risk when you talk
to someone like Donald Trump, but the risk that that
would be spread around the world because yeah, he has
formed for it, right, Yeah, but what about.

Speaker 13 (01:34:05):
This real I do think one thing, one thing, right,
I do think that it's good that William sat down
with him and not Harry. William has half a brain.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
That you can say that the top Premier League referee
that's been set what's going on here?

Speaker 13 (01:34:22):
Yes, so this is really interesting. A very strange video
came out a couple of weeks ago. The guy called
David Coot, a forty two year old Premier League referee,
so on the top soccer referees in Europe, and he
was on a video with some men and they were
asking him questions It was all filmed on someone's mobile phone.
By the way, these are not journalists or broadcasters. This
was hanging out with some very kind of odd guys,

(01:34:46):
and I would say and suggest a very strict lesson
in choose your friends better or choose better friends. He
made very disparaging remarks about Jurgen Klopp, who at the
time was the Liverpool manager. I can't rep on the
family radio station what was said, but it was really
really awful to hear these words out of the mouth
of a referee who referees Liverpool matches. Then if that

(01:35:09):
wasn't bad enough, a couple of weeks later, a video
came out showing this guy Coot in Germany snorting through
a US dollar bill note what appeared to be a
white substance off a table during the Euro twenty twenty
four Championships and then the Capitol Off. A series of
text messages with a so called friend came out in
the papers the other day where he discussed in advance

(01:35:31):
of a match about a certain lead United player getting
a yellow card. The match was played the next day
and the named player in the text conversation guess what
he got a yellow card and the referee was David
coot So it's the end of his career. The Premier
League have sacked him and it's an absolute shame and
the guy is the author of his own misfortune. It

(01:35:52):
wasn't just one incident, it was several and these are
just the ones we know about. And a great shame
for him because what a privilege to be a top
class referee at that level.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
Goodness me, what that is three stripes? You're out, doesn't it?
And thank you very much for your trying this evening.
That is our UK correspondent, Ender Brady. It is now
nine minutes away from seven on news. Talks have been
and I tell you what we're going to do now,
is Donald Trump? More of Trump talking about Prince William.
So he obviously spilled the beans on what on what

(01:36:22):
his father is going through, the King's going through. But
he also said this about Prince William. I'll just read
you the story because you don't need me to embalance anything.
It's that of speaks for itself. Donald Trump has described
the Prince of Wales as quote a good looking guy
after meeting with him in Paris at the weekend. He
looked really very handsome. Last night people seem to look

(01:36:43):
better in person. He looked great, He looked really nice.
And I told him that. Seriously, can you imagine any
other president saying that, or just any other politician. It
sounds so weird. But Donald Trump has formed for this.
And get me wrong, I find Trump hilarious. I find
him so entertaining. But he's he's got formed for this.

(01:37:06):
Where he meets guys normally the sort of big military
guys that he would sort of look up to, and
he tells them that they're good looking.

Speaker 7 (01:37:15):
I've seen a lot of people over the years, big people.
I have a friend, big guy, one of the biggest
in the world, this big strong friend of money wed
like two fifty then which two fifty then is big?

Speaker 14 (01:37:25):
That's like three ten now right, this was a long
time ago.

Speaker 4 (01:37:28):
A lot of big people. I'm standing next.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
That's some big people behind.

Speaker 3 (01:37:32):
Me, big strong man. Eight to seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
His talks it b getting ready for a new administration
in the US. What will be the impact?

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
It's the Business Hour with Hither Duplessy Allen and my HR.
The HR solution for busy SMS news talks.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
It be news talks. It be just gone five minutes away.
From seven, and I can tell you that Cabinet has agreed.
This is according to a Stuff report tonight, Cabinet has
agreed to set aside nine hundred million dollars to buy
the new cook straight fairies. This is an announcement that
we're expecting, according to Winston, to come tomorrow. But guess
what once Peters gets out of this, because remember he
wants the rail enabled feries and for nine hundred million dollars,

(01:38:11):
are you going to get drive on drive off rail?
I highly doubt it. Winston is going to become the
new Minister for Rail. He's going to get a cushy
new job. He wants Minister a responsibility for Rail, and
Stuff says that the Prime Minister, Christopher Luxon, has agreed
to give it to him. So there you go. The ships,
the smaller will be a lot smaller than the five

(01:38:33):
hundred and fifty million dollar ships that were previously planned.
But remember that the costs blew out because of the
land side infrastructure, which went north of three billion dollars,
and that we don't know yet quite how much the
landside development cost is going to be, and that's the
crucial question. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. What's our
song Tonight.

Speaker 12 (01:38:51):
A's Dilemma by Nelly and Kelly Rowland to play us
out tonight. News out today that Nelly will be coming
back to New Zealand to play a show. Was just
one show unfortunately you have to get all to Spark Arena.
But the Where the Party Act tour will be March
twenty first and next year.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
Sounds good. Might just be here. Enjoy everyone, I'm running Bridge.
Great to be with you. See you tomorrow. We will
hopefully have news on our new series School Sunday.

Speaker 26 (01:39:18):
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