December 10, 2024 • 10 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Ali Jones from Red PR and Kiwiblog writer and Curia pollster David Farrar joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
The Treaty Principles Bill - David's done polling for Hobson's Pledge looking into support for or against the bill. What did we make of the findings?
Greyhound racing - what do we think of the Government's ban on the sport? Is this the right call?
A Reserve Bank consultation has shown Kiwis are still keen on physical coins and banknotes. But do we like the idea more than the reality? Do we still carry cash?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, local
and global exposure like no other.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Joining the Huddle tonight David Farah, the Kievi Blog and
Curry Oppolster. David, good evening to you, good evening, Great
to have you on the show. And Ellie Jones read
PRS with us too. Hey Ellie, Hi Ryan, Great to
have you here. So David will start with you. You've
been doing polling for Hobson's Pledge, looking into support FOREI
and against the Treaty Principles Bill. This is David Siemill's bill.
(00:27):
Are you surprised by what you found?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Not entirely.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
It wasn't so much on the bill itself, but what
we asked was, if there's a disagreement between bodies about
what the principles of the treaty are, who should have
the final say? Should it be Parliament, a referendum, the
judiciary or the WAITINGI tribunal way And a clear majority
said it should be the people, either Parliament or a referendum.
(00:52):
So it wasn't about the detail of the bill, but
very clearly people are saying it is appropriate for Parliament
to have a role here. It's not just something late.
The other thing that was very interesting was we asked
the question and out of people to agree, you want
to honor the treaty, but only if you can do
it so it doesn't breach fundamental human rights like quality
(01:16):
of suffrage. And that's actually the issue that's getting under
all this. In the last three years before the change
of government, a lot of stuff happened under the name
of the treaty. You had the co governance of water.
You head wrote a district council there, we're going to
have like a voter on the general role worth youty
(01:36):
nine percent of a voter, Marol. And people didn't like that.
So what you've now got is people saying, well, we
you know, we want to honor the treaty, but we
want to find out what the limits are. Is the
treaty supreme law or are there other things more important?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Do you think, Ellie, that's particularly textpas in a career
pole that came out yesterday that had Seymour taking four
and a half points off the national Is this proof
that simol strategy is working. I mean not just in
terms of having the debate, but actually getting support for
his party in the process.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I think what's really important actually is what David didn't say,
And I think you know, when he talked about the
question around what bodies should determine the principles of the treaty.
I'm not great with maths, but when I looked at
the figures, they're David. Of the people who responded, there
appears to be around sixty nine percent missing. So you've
got twenty five percent who agreed that there should be
(02:30):
a referendum, twenty one percent that said it should be
parliament sixteen percent, why tonguey tribunal judiciary seven percent?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Where's the other sixty nine percent?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Well, not sixty nine, I'm sorry, it's thirty one.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's thirty one.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
That's sixty nine percent there, So there's thirty one percent missing.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Where are they?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
They're called undersides, They're who just don't really understand the soul.
I understand there's a treaty, but they're not actually in
the day to day just we don't even understand what
this talk about the.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Presce So that's the key.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And I think that you're really simplifying this and that
that thirty one percent of undecided is actually the story
and that's what's important. And I also think when you
talk about upholding fundamental human rights, you know, sixty two
percent you said support honoring the Treaty of White Tongue,
you provided it upholds fundamental human rights, with only two
twelve percent disagreeing. What do people think fundamental human rights are?
(03:27):
Is it an example of freedom, expression, liberty, conscious religion?
I mean, I think the problem here, David is with respect.
I think you're cherry picking. And when you do surveys
like this, you are wanting a certain outcome. And when
you've got a really large percentage, like you know, thirty
one percent of.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Undecideds, that's really bloody important. I think you have to
explore that.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Undermental human rights. That example was given the Colleague of Suffrage.
It's the idea Katherine Mansfield didn't campaign for a woman's
vote to be half a man's vote, campaign for vote
to be equal. And that is a fundamental human rights
and international treaties resigned up to. It's in the build
right sect. But you've got people saying the treaty means
(04:11):
that New Zealand should be governed fifty percent by MARI
fifty percent by non MARI, which means sixteen percent of
the population is fifty percent of the voting power. Now
you can believe that, but also means that you be
breaching international human rights treaties. And that's what's actually the
debate ultimately is about.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
And where does that come under the fundamental human rights
part of the survey that you ask though, I mean,
what do people understand what they were actually voting for?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The one man, one vote doesn't I mean, I think
that's what you're getting at. But yeah, you have an
example for do you have an example for us, David
of you know, I mean you mentioned co governance, but
actually where there would be a fifty to fifty you
would elect and they would fifty to fifty be able
to vote on something that would you know, have an
actual effect on an individual.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
The last life Government's Review of Local Government recommended that
all local government go to fifty to fifty co governments.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You had a billing, but.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
That it didn't wasn't happening, was it?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I mean, it was a very but the fact that, yeah,
this was recommended by a body set up by the
other They introduced the bill in to Parliament to bring
that in for Rocha Rua. They backed down because there
was enough noise, but it meant there's MPs there who
don't believe in the colleague of all.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right, we have to go to a break. I'm about
to be in big trouble apparently, so I'll quickly go
to a break and we'll come back with David Farah
and Ellie Jones the Huddle with.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
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Speaker 2 (05:43):
It is eleven away from six News Talks. Here'd be
David Farah, Keemi Blog and Cary Opolster with me on
the show, and Ellie Jones read pr Welcome back to
both of you. Let's move to the greyhound racing. Look,
I'm surprised, to be honest, to see Winston Peter's the
Racing Minister stand up and say I am canceling an
industry with one hundred and fifty million dollars greyhound racing.
It's going to be phased in over twenty months. What
(06:05):
did you make of that, David.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I'm amazingly good and very surprising because Winston has been
seeing very much as yo, this is what we want.
How high he is clearly the most pro racing MP
in Parliament.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
He always asks me racing minute.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
We might have dropped to David off there, Ellie, are
you there with him?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Here?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
There we go? I am, Do you agree with David?
Because I mean you see him as the czar of racing, really,
don't you? And here he is, ye taking the boot
to part of his of the own industry.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Well.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
To be honest, I'm a huge greyhound fan and so
I don't care whether this is surprising or something that
people weren't expecting from Winston and I.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Who were your comments earlier?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Ryan?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I think you are barking up the wrong tree. You
see what I did there.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
I don't think this is about what happens on the track,
both with the greyhounds and the horses. I've heard you're Harrison's.
I think there, it's what happens off the track. You know,
there are dogs that are disappearing. You can't make fifty
horses disappear. There are some owners that have got hundreds
and hundreds of dogs and if they don't run then
(07:15):
they call them.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
So I think I did hear Peters refer to that.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I think that's the difference here between greyhound racing and
horse racing.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Did you say you're into greyhound racing?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
No, into greyhounds? We yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've had
No I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Not this is this is not what I expected from No.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
No, we adopt them.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
So our last one, Billy, died in February at the
age of ten.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Sorry, no, I was really really early. Honestly, I had
you down at the tab, I had you track racing on.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I don't even go to cap Dave Ryan, No, it's
not it's not me.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Hey, just before we go cash, I think we've got
David fairback with us. David the cash thing. So the
Reserve banks is they're going to bring in and they
the most feedback the Reserve Bank has ever had on
anything they've taken to the public. Eighty four percent of
us want to keep physical cash because safety a security
rather privacy. We don't want people knowing what we're spending
(08:15):
our money on. Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, as a security blank out, I think most people
will be like me. I pay cash once or twice
a year only if I have to. But people like
the idea that if there's a problem they can pull
the cash out of a bank, they can stick it
under their bed. Etc. The thought of like all your
wealth is tied up in a digital currency which might
(08:40):
be could be hacked, etc. I think is definitely a factor.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Ellie, what about you. I suppose you need your cash
for your tab bets?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
No, No, it's all done online, right, and all done online.
I do actually carry cash around with me, and the
reason I do, and I use it maybe two to
three times a week, is that I will not I
refuse to pay the surcharge on payWave cards to access
my own money. So you know, when I got to
pay for something and they say that's an extra dollar fifty, Gosh,
that makes me sound really petty, but I refuse to
(09:11):
hand more money to the banks who are already making
huge profits from us.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So I will use my cash if there's a surcharge
on something for my card. So that's the reason I
do it. Do people really still stick money under their mattresses? Statement?
Do you think that's a thing? Are not that many?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
But there are definitely still people who don't trust the banks,
you know, and with.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Them, oh totally. And at eighty four percent of the
people who submitted on this set actually privacy knowing no
one else knowing what I'm doing with my money is
the most important factor.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Guys think, what are they spending it on?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
There?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That makes me really curious?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Terrorism, you know, prostitutes and drugs. I don't know, Ellie,
thank you for their Ellie Jones, red PR, David Farrakiev
blog and carry Apolster.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Joining the Huddle tonight David Farah, the Kievi Blog and
Curry Oppolster. David, good evening to you, good evening, Great
to have you on the show. And Ellie Jones read
PRS with us too. Hey Ellie, Hi Ryan, Great to
have you here. So David will start with you. You've
been doing polling for Hobson's Pledge, looking into support FOREI
and against the Treaty Principles Bill. This is David Siemill's bill.
(00:27):
Are you surprised by what you found?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Not entirely.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
It wasn't so much on the bill itself, but what
we asked was, if there's a disagreement between bodies about
what the principles of the treaty are, who should have
the final say? Should it be Parliament, a referendum, the
judiciary or the WAITINGI tribunal way And a clear majority
said it should be the people, either Parliament or a referendum.
(00:52):
So it wasn't about the detail of the bill, but
very clearly people are saying it is appropriate for Parliament
to have a role here. It's not just something late.
The other thing that was very interesting was we asked
the question and out of people to agree, you want
to honor the treaty, but only if you can do
it so it doesn't breach fundamental human rights like quality
(01:16):
of suffrage. And that's actually the issue that's getting under
all this. In the last three years before the change
of government, a lot of stuff happened under the name
of the treaty. You had the co governance of water.
You head wrote a district council there, we're going to
have like a voter on the general role worth youty
(01:36):
nine percent of a voter, Marol. And people didn't like that.
So what you've now got is people saying, well, we
you know, we want to honor the treaty, but we
want to find out what the limits are. Is the
treaty supreme law or are there other things more important?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Do you think, Ellie, that's particularly textpas in a career
pole that came out yesterday that had Seymour taking four
and a half points off the national Is this proof
that simol strategy is working. I mean not just in
terms of having the debate, but actually getting support for
his party in the process.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I think what's really important actually is what David didn't say,
And I think you know, when he talked about the
question around what bodies should determine the principles of the treaty.
I'm not great with maths, but when I looked at
the figures, they're David. Of the people who responded, there
appears to be around sixty nine percent missing. So you've
got twenty five percent who agreed that there should be
(02:30):
a referendum, twenty one percent that said it should be
parliament sixteen percent, why tonguey tribunal judiciary seven percent?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Where's the other sixty nine percent?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Well, not sixty nine, I'm sorry, it's thirty one.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's thirty one.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
That's sixty nine percent there, So there's thirty one percent missing.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Where are they?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
They're called undersides, They're who just don't really understand the soul.
I understand there's a treaty, but they're not actually in
the day to day just we don't even understand what
this talk about the.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Presce So that's the key.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And I think that you're really simplifying this and that
that thirty one percent of undecided is actually the story
and that's what's important. And I also think when you
talk about upholding fundamental human rights, you know, sixty two
percent you said support honoring the Treaty of White Tongue,
you provided it upholds fundamental human rights, with only two
twelve percent disagreeing. What do people think fundamental human rights are?
(03:27):
Is it an example of freedom, expression, liberty, conscious religion?
I mean, I think the problem here, David is with respect.
I think you're cherry picking. And when you do surveys
like this, you are wanting a certain outcome. And when
you've got a really large percentage, like you know, thirty
one percent of.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Undecideds, that's really bloody important. I think you have to
explore that.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Undermental human rights. That example was given the Colleague of Suffrage.
It's the idea Katherine Mansfield didn't campaign for a woman's
vote to be half a man's vote, campaign for vote
to be equal. And that is a fundamental human rights
and international treaties resigned up to. It's in the build
right sect. But you've got people saying the treaty means
(04:11):
that New Zealand should be governed fifty percent by MARI
fifty percent by non MARI, which means sixteen percent of
the population is fifty percent of the voting power. Now
you can believe that, but also means that you be
breaching international human rights treaties. And that's what's actually the
debate ultimately is about.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
And where does that come under the fundamental human rights
part of the survey that you ask though, I mean,
what do people understand what they were actually voting for?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The one man, one vote doesn't I mean, I think
that's what you're getting at. But yeah, you have an
example for do you have an example for us, David
of you know, I mean you mentioned co governance, but
actually where there would be a fifty to fifty you
would elect and they would fifty to fifty be able
to vote on something that would you know, have an
actual effect on an individual.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
The last life Government's Review of Local Government recommended that
all local government go to fifty to fifty co governments.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You had a billing, but.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
That it didn't wasn't happening, was it?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I mean, it was a very but the fact that, yeah,
this was recommended by a body set up by the
other They introduced the bill in to Parliament to bring
that in for Rocha Rua. They backed down because there
was enough noise, but it meant there's MPs there who
don't believe in the colleague of all.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Right, we have to go to a break. I'm about
to be in big trouble apparently, so I'll quickly go
to a break and we'll come back with David Farah
and Ellie Jones the Huddle with.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the marketing of your Home.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It is eleven away from six News Talks. Here'd be
David Farah, Keemi Blog and Cary Opolster with me on
the show, and Ellie Jones read pr Welcome back to
both of you. Let's move to the greyhound racing. Look,
I'm surprised, to be honest, to see Winston Peter's the
Racing Minister stand up and say I am canceling an
industry with one hundred and fifty million dollars greyhound racing.
It's going to be phased in over twenty months. What
(06:05):
did you make of that, David.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I'm amazingly good and very surprising because Winston has been
seeing very much as yo, this is what we want.
How high he is clearly the most pro racing MP
in Parliament.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
He always asks me racing minute.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
We might have dropped to David off there, Ellie, are
you there with him?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Here?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
There we go? I am, Do you agree with David?
Because I mean you see him as the czar of racing, really,
don't you? And here he is, ye taking the boot
to part of his of the own industry.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Well.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
To be honest, I'm a huge greyhound fan and so
I don't care whether this is surprising or something that
people weren't expecting from Winston and I.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Who were your comments earlier?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Ryan?
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I think you are barking up the wrong tree. You
see what I did there.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
I don't think this is about what happens on the track,
both with the greyhounds and the horses. I've heard you're Harrison's.
I think there, it's what happens off the track. You know,
there are dogs that are disappearing. You can't make fifty
horses disappear. There are some owners that have got hundreds
and hundreds of dogs and if they don't run then
(07:15):
they call them.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
So I think I did hear Peters refer to that.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I think that's the difference here between greyhound racing and
horse racing.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Did you say you're into greyhound racing?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
No, into greyhounds? We yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've had
No I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Not this is this is not what I expected from No.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
No, we adopt them.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
So our last one, Billy, died in February at the
age of ten.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Sorry, no, I was really really early. Honestly, I had
you down at the tab, I had you track racing on.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
I don't even go to cap Dave Ryan, No, it's
not it's not me.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Hey, just before we go cash, I think we've got
David fairback with us. David the cash thing. So the
Reserve banks is they're going to bring in and they
the most feedback the Reserve Bank has ever had on
anything they've taken to the public. Eighty four percent of
us want to keep physical cash because safety a security
rather privacy. We don't want people knowing what we're spending
(08:15):
our money on. Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yeah, as a security blank out, I think most people
will be like me. I pay cash once or twice
a year only if I have to. But people like
the idea that if there's a problem they can pull
the cash out of a bank, they can stick it
under their bed. Etc. The thought of like all your
wealth is tied up in a digital currency which might
(08:40):
be could be hacked, etc. I think is definitely a factor.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Ellie, what about you. I suppose you need your cash
for your tab bets?
Speaker 5 (08:49):
No, No, it's all done online, right, and all done online.
I do actually carry cash around with me, and the
reason I do, and I use it maybe two to
three times a week, is that I will not I
refuse to pay the surcharge on payWave cards to access
my own money. So you know, when I got to
pay for something and they say that's an extra dollar fifty, Gosh,
that makes me sound really petty, but I refuse to
(09:11):
hand more money to the banks who are already making
huge profits from us.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
So I will use my cash if there's a surcharge
on something for my card. So that's the reason I
do it. Do people really still stick money under their mattresses? Statement?
Do you think that's a thing? Are not that many?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
But there are definitely still people who don't trust the banks,
you know, and with.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Them, oh totally. And at eighty four percent of the
people who submitted on this set actually privacy knowing no
one else knowing what I'm doing with my money is
the most important factor.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Guys think, what are they spending it on?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
There?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
That makes me really curious?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Terrorism, you know, prostitutes and drugs. I don't know, Ellie,
thank you for their Ellie Jones, red PR, David Farrakiev
blog and carry Apolster.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
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