Controversial US Commentator Candace Owens has been granted a visa to work in New Zealand.
This comes as Owens initial visa denial was overturned by Associate Minister Chris Penk. Her visa was denied last month after the cancellation of her Australian work visa.
Owens began her career as a conservative activist.
Author and expert on far-right and alt-right extremism Byron Clark joins Ryan Bridge to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Controversial US commentator Candice Owens has been granted a visa
to work in New Zealand. It comes as a u
turn from the government, which had earlier rejected her application
that was immigrated in New Zealand that did that. The
minister has come in and overruled that author and expert
on the far right and alt right extremism, as Byron Clark.
He's with me tonight Byron good evening to you think
you're Kyonda? So obviously she is coming here. Are you
(00:22):
going to go watch you?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm not going to go watch you. No.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Do you have any interest in knowing what how she thinks?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well? I do yes, because obviously, as you mentioned, I've
been studying the far right, and while I've mostly focused
on people in this country are aware of American influencers
like Owen, So I have some familiarity with the sorts
that she's promoting. But I wouldn't want to go to
one of her speaking events to the buyer buying a
ticket and allowing her to drive income from spreading these
(00:55):
ideas in this country.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What exactly has she said that you think has accept.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well. She's made a number of comments on various issues
she's promoted conspiracy theories around COVID nineteen and around members
of the LGBT community, such as alleging that a mass
shooter in the US was a transgender when it was
not a transender person who carried that out. Probably the
most egregious they were some of the comments that she's
made around Jewish people and the Holocaust, such as suggesting
(01:25):
that the Holocaust was an ethnic cleansing that almost happened.
Wasn't an eastic cleansing that almost happened, it was an
ethic cleinting that did happen and resulted in the mass
murder of six million Jewish people and millions of others.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, and I'm not defending her, but did she you
know when she she said almost happened, as in, it
wasn't completely successful, It didn't achieve all the objectives that
wanted to what I'm saying, is there is there enough
riggle room? Are these issues so fraught and controversial?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And then argued back and forth on Twitter a thousand
times to the point where they become they have no
resemblance to what was originally intended. Is it one of
those instances or do you think this is genuinely, you know,
inciting hatred stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think it's genuinely Holocaust denial. If you look at
the laws around Holocaust denial in Germany and in other
European countries that experienced occupation during the Second World War,
this would meet the criteria for Holocaust denial. It's also
notable that she was a conservative commentator with the American
publication The Daily Wire, but after these comments and other
(02:37):
comments she's made about Jewish people, she departed from that.
And the co founder of the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro,
who is, you know, certainly no liberal or leftist, but
as himself Jewish, called these these comments of reprehensible. So
I don't think it's really that controversial to say that.
I think she has said amount to anti Semitism and
(02:59):
Holocaust and ile.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's interesting you bring up Germany because in Germany it's
also illegal to save from the river to the sea.
On that basis, Chloe Swabur could be in trouble.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Hm, yes, And I mean you can debate whether that
should be the case or whether it shouldn't. I think
that's perhaps a little different from the Holocaust denial law
as they have there, being that this is the country
that has that legacy of the Holocaust.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah. I think that's why they have the River to
the Sea law as well. It's obviously quite a related issue,
is related Yeah, yeah, Byron, interesting one. Obviously's obviously whether
we like it or not. She's coming and people will,
I guess make up their own minds about whether they go.
But great to have you on the show for your
perspective tonight, Byron. Thank you, Thank you Byron Clark, author
and expert on the far right and alt right extremism.
(03:47):
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Controversial US commentator Candice Owens has been granted a visa
to work in New Zealand. It comes as a u
turn from the government, which had earlier rejected her application
that was immigrated in New Zealand that did that. The
minister has come in and overruled that author and expert
on the far right and alt right extremism, as Byron Clark.
He's with me tonight Byron good evening to you think
you're Kyonda? So obviously she is coming here. Are you
(00:22):
going to go watch you?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm not going to go watch you. No.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Do you have any interest in knowing what how she thinks?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Well? I do yes, because obviously, as you mentioned, I've
been studying the far right, and while I've mostly focused
on people in this country are aware of American influencers
like Owen, So I have some familiarity with the sorts
that she's promoting. But I wouldn't want to go to
one of her speaking events to the buyer buying a
ticket and allowing her to drive income from spreading these
(00:55):
ideas in this country.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
What exactly has she said that you think has accept.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well. She's made a number of comments on various issues
she's promoted conspiracy theories around COVID nineteen and around members
of the LGBT community, such as alleging that a mass
shooter in the US was a transgender when it was
not a transender person who carried that out. Probably the
most egregious they were some of the comments that she's
made around Jewish people and the Holocaust, such as suggesting
(01:25):
that the Holocaust was an ethnic cleansing that almost happened.
Wasn't an eastic cleansing that almost happened, it was an
ethic cleinting that did happen and resulted in the mass
murder of six million Jewish people and millions of others.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, and I'm not defending her, but did she you
know when she she said almost happened, as in, it
wasn't completely successful, It didn't achieve all the objectives that
wanted to what I'm saying, is there is there enough
riggle room? Are these issues so fraught and controversial?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And then argued back and forth on Twitter a thousand
times to the point where they become they have no
resemblance to what was originally intended. Is it one of
those instances or do you think this is genuinely, you know,
inciting hatred stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think it's genuinely Holocaust denial. If you look at
the laws around Holocaust denial in Germany and in other
European countries that experienced occupation during the Second World War,
this would meet the criteria for Holocaust denial. It's also
notable that she was a conservative commentator with the American
publication The Daily Wire, but after these comments and other
(02:37):
comments she's made about Jewish people, she departed from that.
And the co founder of the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro,
who is, you know, certainly no liberal or leftist, but
as himself Jewish, called these these comments of reprehensible. So
I don't think it's really that controversial to say that.
I think she has said amount to anti Semitism and
(02:59):
Holocaust and ile.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's interesting you bring up Germany because in Germany it's
also illegal to save from the river to the sea.
On that basis, Chloe Swabur could be in trouble.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Hm, yes, And I mean you can debate whether that
should be the case or whether it shouldn't. I think
that's perhaps a little different from the Holocaust denial law
as they have there, being that this is the country
that has that legacy of the Holocaust.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah. I think that's why they have the River to
the Sea law as well. It's obviously quite a related issue,
is related Yeah, yeah, Byron, interesting one. Obviously's obviously whether
we like it or not. She's coming and people will,
I guess make up their own minds about whether they go.
But great to have you on the show for your
perspective tonight, Byron. Thank you, Thank you Byron Clark, author
and expert on the far right and alt right extremism.
(03:47):
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