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December 20, 2024 • 12 mins

Tonight on the Huddle, Newstalk ZB Sports News Director Clay Wilson and Sports Journalist Jim Kayes discuss all things sport of the week. 

The Huddle agrees Liam Lawson bagging a spot on Red Bull's team is an example of perseverance and talent. 

ESports are disappointed because they have missed out on funding this week. The Huddle discusses. 

How do we feel about sport on Christmas day? 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Busy wee week of sports. So the sports huddleways in
Clay Wilson's with US newstalk ZMB sports news director. Hey,
Clay A right, welcome to the show. And Jim Cases
with US sports journalists. Hey Jim, good to talk to you.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, great to talk to you, mate.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I hope you will very well and hoping that you're
well too. And let's start with Liam Lawson. What an
awesome end to what has been a protracted suspicion of
a story but now a confirmed one.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Jim, that's pretty fantastic, isn't it. I think a lot
of New Zealanders won't really understand or appreciate perhaps the
gravitas of what's happened, but formerly one, It's just massive,
isn't it. It's the elite of motorsport and to have
a New Zealander driving and that is quite incredible. Really,

(00:46):
you know where it sits in the pecking order of
all those sorts of things which we all always to do.
I don't really know, but you just have to take
your head off to him. It's an example of perseverance
and talent and opportunity, and good on him, you know.
I hope I hope he really succeeds. It's it's great
and we get sort of that reflected glory from it, Ryan,

(01:06):
don't we were it's so cool seeing a Kiwi succeed
on such an international stage. And I think it's fantastic.
It's a it's a it's a wonderful, wonderful story.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
It is And what's cool about it, Clay is to
a couple of the sort of industry guys about it
today that the reason he was packed over the Japanese
driver because the Japanese driver has more experience than but
he's got way more potential. He's basically driving as fast
as this other guy who's been on the track for years,
so they're they're buying his potential.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, and I think that's what's by a lot of
people that have been kind of promoting Yuki Snoda and
he had more experience and he beat Liam in a
lot of their matchups in the last six races that
Liam raced in is that Liam has eleven Grand Prix
experience to his name. Yuki has at that point almost
four seasons and Liam was matching him, if not beating him,
on in a lot of metrics. So you know, in

(01:59):
terms of where the ceiling is. That's what Red Bull
are clearly looking at is he's a twenty two year
old kid who's come and he hasn't been afraid to
mix it with the with some of the big names,
some of the veterans in the sport, and a car
that's not a superior, and now they're putting him in
and that's the big thing about this. They're putting him
in a car that's capable of winning Grand Prixs, winning
a World Championship, alongside Max for Step and the most

(02:20):
you know, the best driver of this generation. It's a huge,
huge moment for a kid from Pukakoe to make it
from our little country and get across and be in
that seat.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Red Bull finishes the year third place, seventy seven behind
points behind McLaren and a largely that's because of Sugio
Perez not so great and the seat.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's a brutal, but this is Formula one. It's bread's
brutal and its right place, right time. And you know
last year Liam got a shot as an injury replacement,
but he didn't get a seat for the start of
the season that's just finished. So you've got to be
in the right place, right time, performing and Liam has
and now it's just about going through that door and
making the most of it, and you know, and securing

(03:02):
a long term future in the sport.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Jim. The sports people have been quite upset. We had
them on the show this week and quite upset, quite
exercise because they're they're missing out on Sport New Zealand
high performance funding this week.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
What do you reckon, oh, Ryan, Like, I don't know,
maybe I'm showing my generation. I just I struggle with it.
You know, is is chess? Is scrabble? Are they sports?
Is esport a sport? What what constitutes a sport? Should

(03:37):
it be physical activity? You know, if you're sitting on
a horse or sitting in the car? Is that it? Yeah?
I don't think that esports should be getting funded in.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
The way that around the bush.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I know it.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Saying it, I just I just don't.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I'm just not sure that the sports deserve to be
considered in the same funding bracket as kayaking, you know, rowing, cycling,
trifle on those. I'm not saying they don't deserve funding.
Maybe they do, but I wouldn't put them in the
same bracket as some of those other sports when it

(04:17):
comes to funding. So I don't think I don't think
that they are unlucky to have missed out in this
In this instance, maybe there's another category that New Zealand
government wants to fund them for. But I don't think
that sitting in front of a computer is a sport.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, it's interesting one, isn't it, Because then you look
at actual sports that did miss out in this round
and you think, well, I mean, surely you go for
them before you go through them.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
We've had this discussion about this topic this week, and
I think the thing is you can you don't want
to downplay what these people are doing. They're incredibly skillful
at what they what they do, They're very passionate about it.
No one can deny that you can do any number
of things and be that kind of way. But to me,
just because you have sport in the name also doesn't qualify.

(05:09):
And this is that opinion thing, right, Like Jim said,
like what is sport? Everyone has a different definition really
in the way I look at it, I tend to
side with Jim. To me, it's not sport. It's more
of a game. It's a hobby. But you can still
be great at it, and you know, and if you
can get funding somewhere.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Else to you. And plus it's the cost involved. I mean,
to swim from a you know, if you're doing esport,
swimming from the couch, it's very different to having to
build a pool, you know what I mean. The cost
of these things is quite different. Anyway, the Breakers are
playing on Christmas Day, Jim, will you be watching? And
how do you feel more generally about sport on Christmas Day.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, that's a really interesting topic, is and I probably
won't look not even probably I won't be watching the
Breakers on Christmas Christmas Day. But that's not to say
that I'm a post to sport on Christmas Day, because
you know, the perfect day to watch sport as your
day of leisure, isn't it so? And we all get
excited about the Boxing Day, Cricket Test and those sorts
of things. So having some sport to watch on Christmas

(06:09):
on Christmas Day from a consumer, from a from a
spectator customer perspective is fantastic. From an athletic perspective is
probably a pain in the backside. But I'm not morally
opposed to watching sport on Christmas Day at all, you know,
sporters entertainment. It's no different really to watching a movie.

(06:30):
But I'm not going to be watching the Breakers.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
That's probably partly to do with how the Breakers have
been going well. But I think the thing is, you know,
I think this has been a big part of the
American sport landscape for a while now. The NBA basketball
have sort of pioneered in this. In this department, I
sort of think about for me and my family, Christmas
is Christmas Morning, and then the day kind of you know,
evolves from there, and if there's a game on later

(06:56):
that day, then then I would watch it, I think,
you know, also in terms of the players and if
they should be playing on Christmas Day. Lots of people
work on Christmas Day, right, I don't know, And I
was actually wondering about this, how it works with remuneration
for the players or bonuses or you know, extra time
or is it just is it just part of their contract? Yeah,
I don't know. You would hope that because especially the

(07:18):
break is they're going to be in Tasmania, they're going
to be in Hobart, they have to be away for Christmas,
So how does that all work? I'm not really sure,
but I'm not generally opposed to it, and I think
probably a lot of people at the end of a
Christmas Day are quite happy to flick on Itali and
watch something like that.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
And Ryan, let's not dodge the fact that for a
lot of people, and increasing majority of people, there's no
religious attachment to Christmas Day. It's a day off and
a day where we exchange gifts and for a lot
of people you have a big barbecue and get on
the booze. So having sport alongside it seems to be

(07:57):
a bit of an actual fit. I mean, you know,
if you wear back to the fifty sixties seventies, yeah,
it was a very religious occasion in New Zealand, but
for a lot of people now the religious side of
it has got no bearing whatsoever, and it's really just
a relaxing day.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
And also if you've got the sport on, then you
don't have to listen to your family talking. That's around
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Speaker 1 (08:27):
I'm Ryan Bridge, Clay Wilson News talksb Sports News director
on the Huddle with Jim Kay's sports journalist. Guys, let's
wrap up with your look back at twenty twenty four.
Jim will start with you your sporting highlight and low light
for the year.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, it's hard to pick one, Ryan, you know, as
a born and bred Auckland, I loved watching the Blues
win Super Rugby. I loved watching the White Ferns win
their World Cup and Black Caps beating India in a series.
But if I really had to nail it down and
chisel it down to just one person, it would have

(09:06):
to be Lesser Carington, Dame Lisa Carrington. I'm a big
lover of the of the canoe racing winning three Olympic
gold medals, was simply quite outstanding in Paris or in France,
the K one, the K two, the K four, and
you know, there was something quite special about watching her
perform and then by herself, and then in the K two,

(09:29):
and then and then I guess captaining the K four
to their gold medals. So if you really forced me
to pick one, it would be her achievements in France
at the Olympics. I thought that was something quite special
and I think she's, you know, would have to be
probably the greatest Olympian that New Zealand's produced. People will

(09:50):
argue that there's more Blue ribbon events like Peter Snow
with running and that sort of thing, but in terms
of share, number of gold medals and the dominance of
her sport over a long period of time, now, you'd
struggled to find a more complete Olympian than Dame Lisa Carington.
I thought what she did in France was simply outstanding.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, Clay, who would be your well, what would be
your highlight?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah? I wracked my brain on this one. And the
one I always keep coming back to is the Paris Olympics.
But lydia co and for a number of reasons. You know,
here's a player who was a teenage prodigy, had so
much success, fell off, came back, fell off again, but
then had just such a brilliant twenty twenty four and
went into that Olympics with bronze and silver medal and

(10:36):
so much hype around can she win the goal? Can
she complete the set? And it's one of those things
you almost talk it out of existence, and especially in
a sport like golf where it's so hard to win,
when even when you were one of the top players,
for her to do that, and even the final day
had so much drama, and the sort of the icing
on the cake of that moment for me was seeing
how emotional lydia Co was receiving that gold medal. And

(10:58):
not to say she is not an emotional person or
she you know, she hasn't felt you know, pride and
a lot of the success she's had, but you just
don't often see someone like her like that, and she
was so she was clearly so moved by it being
up being able to be up there and we're in
New Zealand, fern and that kind of thing. Lowlights, Yeah,
I don't know if there was, There was heaps. Here
was probably a few bits and PC ones the one

(11:20):
that sort of I'll look back on and wish it didn't.
Everyone was sort of the Warriors falling off, you know,
because that's for me these days, Like you know, I've
really I've always been a Warriors fan, but you know,
in terms of their success recently, you get right in
behind them. Had such a great twenty twenty three and
then this year has sort of kind of been disappointing.
We've lost a few players, Shawn Johnson getting injured and

(11:42):
then retiring in that kind of thing. And I guess
that you look back at the all black start to
the year, I remember at the time thinking, wow, this
is like hasn't started well at all for Scott Robertson
has it? But obviously things improved there. So I think
in terms of highlights versus lowlights, much more of a
positive year for Kiwi sport than a negative.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Jim, we have about thirty seconds for your lowlight if
you've got one.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Look, I agree with play New Zealand All Blecks losing
to Argentina not a great performance and the Warriors fantastic
home ground support just not able to match it. So
you know, in a year of huge success for New
Zealand sport, I think we should celebrate those because the
lowlights don't really matter. Amazing Olympics and an All Blecks

(12:25):
team on the rise and some great cricket results.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
So been a good year, right, more ups than downs.
The other lowlight? The only other lowlight I would mention
would be the River sin that was disgusting seven minutes
away from sex. Jim Kay's on with Clay Wilson here
from News Talk SEDB.

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