Politicians have descended on Ratana.
During several speeches, the fate of The Treaty's Principle Bill was called into question.
Meanwhile David Seymour has delivered his State of the Nation speech.
Newstalk ZB Political Editor Jason Walls joins the show to discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When we're joined by Jason Wall was how political editor
(00:02):
had Jason good after as, are you there? Good afternoon?
There we go very nice. Now politicians have descended on Ratina.
Is Chris Hipkins wearing shorts?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
No, he's I'm not there. My trusty Lieutenant Sophie Trigger
is there. But I have seen photos and he's actually
wearing the full suit and tie today, which is probably
the first time he's put it on since journing parliament
early or late last year, even though there was the
Labor Caucus. But of course he was wearing shorts and jandles.
There politicians dress aside. Listen that there will be a
(00:37):
lot of people telling you how important RATNA is because
it's usually the start of the political year. And though
you can't see my fingers, but I'm doing inverted commas
right now. But we've, of course, we've had such a
eventful week that they couldn't be further from the truth.
We've had reshuffles, we've had States of the Nations. That's plural,
because there's been a couple of them. We've also had
caucus retreats. So it's been an extremely involved political week,
(01:01):
which means that RATNA is not really the focus that
it usually is. Yes, they're going to be talking about
the Treaties Principles Bill, but I do get the sense
at this stage that nobody really cares that much anymore.
The Nats have said that they're not supporting it in
second reading. There is going to be a select committee process. Yes,
there's been a lot of submissions in US, but you
think about the wider public and the fact that this
(01:22):
isn't actually getting through. I wonder how many people are
actually thinking about this on a daily basis. It's an
interesting question, but it's going to come up, and it
has come up quite a lot at Ratina today, and
it's a bit of a precursor for Waitangi next week,
late late next month. Rather of course, we know Chris
Luxon's not going along, so he's not going to bear
the brunt of that, but it's still something that's going
(01:44):
to be front of mind.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You say you wonder how many or everyone wonders how
many people are interested. But I can tell you whenever
we mention anything about the Treaty of White Tagi and
the Principles Act, we get a deliage of feedback here.
So while maybe maybe just a few people who feel
very deeply there are still people that can't be ignored
and have a right to be heard.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh exactly, And that's what the select committee process is
going to it's going to show us over the next
six months or so. But it just comes back to
the fact that it's not a bill that's actually going
to be progressed any further Emparliament. It's going to have
its second reading and it's going to be voted down.
I think me people are more interested in things about
the cost of living, or law and order or of
various different things like that.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, I'll give you that, and so r to know.
We've got the Maori queen, and we've got Maori leaders,
and we've got across political leaders. Are they much talk?
Is there much talk at this one or do they
save it up for white honey?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh, there is always a lot of talk. There's speeches
from the pie from all the political leaders only act
David Seymour the only political leader that's not there. I
suppose this one's a little different in the sense that
all the MP's were welcomed at the same time with
the palverity. Usually they sort of do the government ones
than the opposition ones. So I guess that there's some
forms of significance in that, but yeah, a bit of
(03:00):
precursor to what we can expect at White Tangi next month.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah. You mentioned David seymo who did his State of
the Nation's speech today, which was very had a whole
lot of you blue sky thinking, and he asked a
lot of questions. Rather than stating this is what we'll do,
he said, how would you like it if we actually
privatized the health system and gave you six thousand dollars
so you could spin it where you'd like, And there
were a lot of questions that he betted over to us.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, well, I mean that's all you can really do
as an opposite, well not an opposition, but as a
non lead party in government. State of the Nation's speech.
It's a lot of sort of a what if this,
or wouldn't it be nice? Of that sort of questions
that opposed and David Seymour, you know, he can talk
about these things, but if they're not in the coalition agreement,
they're just not going to get through. And essentially what
(03:43):
he could tell his supporters is these are the sort
of things that we want to be campaigning when we're
looking to get in government the next time around. But ultimately,
at the end of the day, Chris Luxon isn't going
to watch this speech and think, you know what, he's
got some good ideas. I Am actually going to further
privatize the health system. That's just not going to happen.
But it's a good way for David Seymour to sort
of stand out from the rest of the political crowd.
(04:05):
As I said, they're all down there there in Ratina,
and it gives him a lot of opportunity to sort
of speak on a home turf where he's not going
to get I would say probably heckled and jeered if
he was at Ratana. We've seen that happen before. Obviously,
the crowd is usually very respectful, but there are a
couple of moments when there are a few eyes that
are rolled and that sort of thing. So he gets
(04:26):
to say these things on home turf to people that
are actually wanting to listen to what he says.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Absolutely, and of course David's speech was then the Prime
Minister was in asked questions after his without appearance, and
he just betted them away saying, well, it's not on
our radar, and we're not talking about that right now,
so you know it is it's blue sky thinking, it's
floating stuff up.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, exactly, and it was always going to be that.
And so it's just an our opportunity for David Seymour
to set out his vision of what he would like
things to be. I mean, I could do the same
thing right now. We probably got exactly the same amount
of chance for happening with my eye ideas than his.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Well said and I thank you so much. Now go
away and have a weekend, because I know that you've
been doing extra hours for us, and I think and
we're very appreciative of it, of that, and you worked
all summer on the talkback, So go have yourself a weekend.
Jason Walls, our political editor.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
When we're joined by Jason Wall was how political editor
(00:02):
had Jason good after as, are you there? Good afternoon?
There we go very nice. Now politicians have descended on Ratina.
Is Chris Hipkins wearing shorts?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
No, he's I'm not there. My trusty Lieutenant Sophie Trigger
is there. But I have seen photos and he's actually
wearing the full suit and tie today, which is probably
the first time he's put it on since journing parliament
early or late last year, even though there was the
Labor Caucus. But of course he was wearing shorts and jandles.
There politicians dress aside. Listen that there will be a
(00:37):
lot of people telling you how important RATNA is because
it's usually the start of the political year. And though
you can't see my fingers, but I'm doing inverted commas
right now. But we've, of course, we've had such a
eventful week that they couldn't be further from the truth.
We've had reshuffles, we've had States of the Nations. That's plural,
because there's been a couple of them. We've also had
caucus retreats. So it's been an extremely involved political week,
(01:01):
which means that RATNA is not really the focus that
it usually is. Yes, they're going to be talking about
the Treaties Principles Bill, but I do get the sense
at this stage that nobody really cares that much anymore.
The Nats have said that they're not supporting it in
second reading. There is going to be a select committee process. Yes,
there's been a lot of submissions in US, but you
think about the wider public and the fact that this
(01:22):
isn't actually getting through. I wonder how many people are
actually thinking about this on a daily basis. It's an
interesting question, but it's going to come up, and it
has come up quite a lot at Ratina today, and
it's a bit of a precursor for Waitangi next week,
late late next month. Rather of course, we know Chris
Luxon's not going along, so he's not going to bear
the brunt of that, but it's still something that's going
(01:44):
to be front of mind.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
You say you wonder how many or everyone wonders how
many people are interested. But I can tell you whenever
we mention anything about the Treaty of White Tagi and
the Principles Act, we get a deliage of feedback here.
So while maybe maybe just a few people who feel
very deeply there are still people that can't be ignored
and have a right to be heard.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh exactly, And that's what the select committee process is
going to it's going to show us over the next
six months or so. But it just comes back to
the fact that it's not a bill that's actually going
to be progressed any further Emparliament. It's going to have
its second reading and it's going to be voted down.
I think me people are more interested in things about
the cost of living, or law and order or of
various different things like that.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, I'll give you that, and so r to know.
We've got the Maori queen, and we've got Maori leaders,
and we've got across political leaders. Are they much talk?
Is there much talk at this one or do they
save it up for white honey?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh, there is always a lot of talk. There's speeches
from the pie from all the political leaders only act
David Seymour the only political leader that's not there. I
suppose this one's a little different in the sense that
all the MP's were welcomed at the same time with
the palverity. Usually they sort of do the government ones
than the opposition ones. So I guess that there's some
forms of significance in that, but yeah, a bit of
(03:00):
precursor to what we can expect at White Tangi next month.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah. You mentioned David seymo who did his State of
the Nation's speech today, which was very had a whole
lot of you blue sky thinking, and he asked a
lot of questions. Rather than stating this is what we'll do,
he said, how would you like it if we actually
privatized the health system and gave you six thousand dollars
so you could spin it where you'd like, And there
were a lot of questions that he betted over to us.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, well, I mean that's all you can really do
as an opposite, well not an opposition, but as a
non lead party in government. State of the Nation's speech.
It's a lot of sort of a what if this,
or wouldn't it be nice? Of that sort of questions
that opposed and David Seymour, you know, he can talk
about these things, but if they're not in the coalition agreement,
they're just not going to get through. And essentially what
(03:43):
he could tell his supporters is these are the sort
of things that we want to be campaigning when we're
looking to get in government the next time around. But ultimately,
at the end of the day, Chris Luxon isn't going
to watch this speech and think, you know what, he's
got some good ideas. I Am actually going to further
privatize the health system. That's just not going to happen.
But it's a good way for David Seymour to sort
of stand out from the rest of the political crowd.
(04:05):
As I said, they're all down there there in Ratina,
and it gives him a lot of opportunity to sort
of speak on a home turf where he's not going
to get I would say probably heckled and jeered if
he was at Ratana. We've seen that happen before. Obviously,
the crowd is usually very respectful, but there are a
couple of moments when there are a few eyes that
are rolled and that sort of thing. So he gets
(04:26):
to say these things on home turf to people that
are actually wanting to listen to what he says.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Absolutely, and of course David's speech was then the Prime
Minister was in asked questions after his without appearance, and
he just betted them away saying, well, it's not on
our radar, and we're not talking about that right now,
so you know it is it's blue sky thinking, it's
floating stuff up.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, exactly, and it was always going to be that.
And so it's just an our opportunity for David Seymour
to set out his vision of what he would like
things to be. I mean, I could do the same
thing right now. We probably got exactly the same amount
of chance for happening with my eye ideas than his.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Well said and I thank you so much. Now go
away and have a weekend, because I know that you've
been doing extra hours for us, and I think and
we're very appreciative of it, of that, and you worked
all summer on the talkback, So go have yourself a weekend.
Jason Walls, our political editor.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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