Tenby Powell: Kiwi K.A.R.E founder on the concerns Ukraine will be left out of US-Russia negotiations

There's concerns the US and Russia are having peace talks without involving anyone else - including Ukraine.

Ukraine's European allies are set to gather in Paris for an emergency summit on the war tomorrow.

It comes as a US envoy is expected to meet Russian officials for the first time in Saudi Arabia later this month.

Kiwi K.A.R.E founder Tenby Powell says this is a stark example of geopolitical injustice.

"One would hope the Saudis, who are hosting this meeting, would have the presence of mind to invite Zelenskyy a some stage - but I think it's important to understand that this war hasn't just happened since February 2022."

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ukraine has been left out of peace talks over the
state and the fate of its own country. The US
and Russia are flying to Saudi Arabia to not out
a deal. I spoke to Jeffrey Price a short time ago.
He used to be negotiated with the Secretary of Defense
in the US. He has been at the table with
the Russians before, and he says there is no deal
to be done without Zelensky at the table at some point.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
The Ukrainians and the Russians are very far apart right now.
So it seems to me that unless we get more
pressure on Russia, it's going to be hard to get
to something which is acceptable to all sides.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Timbi Powell is the chairman of Kei week Care. That's
a charity that delivers aid and helps people evacuate from
Ukrainians with me this evening high Timbi get afternoon, Ryan,
what do you reckon no deal without Ukraine?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Say so, Well, that's a stark example of geopolitical injustice.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I guess it hasn't happened yet. We could see some
involvement from Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, one would hope, So one would hope. The Sadis
who are hosting this meeting would have the presence of
mind to invite Snansky at some stage. But I think
it's important to understand that, you know, this war hasn't
just happened since February twenty twenty two. It's been going
on since February twenty twenty four. And it's important to
remember that while Russia's illegal, full scale war did start

(01:24):
in twenty twenty two when Russia annexed Crimea and supported
separatist movements under flag operations in st Ukraine, since then,
the international community's response has been inconsistent and woefully inadequate,
and one would hope that now, at last, there's going
to be a change to that, which seems to be

(01:45):
the case with Keir Starmer and the French President leading
the charge to get European leaders together at last.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do they have enough troops though, And that's the question, right,
I mean, without an ATO, without the US, are they
enough on their own?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah? They are. Look, Ukraine has proved to the world
that they can win this war, and they did that
in the winter of twenty twenty two. In the spring
of twenty three, the counter offense of that Ukraine mounted
and really did push Russia right back with a momentum
that the likes of which we've never seen before, was
lightning and extraordinary. And then of course Mike Johnson was
appointed a speaker in the US Senate and the rest

(02:25):
is history. He stopped the flow of both aid money
and weapons systems to Ukraine, and that filibusting has got
us into the position we are today. And I say
that because the fortifications that Russia have mounted and developed
on that eastern Ukraine border are just phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
You have very close links with everyone and with people
in Ukraine, obviously through your charity, but also a whole
range of networks. If you say, too Ukrainian soldiers give
up a fifth of your territory and stop fighting, will that?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Well, look, I've said, we've been there since pretty much
May twenty twenty two, so three months after the war
started thereabouts, and I've made it my business as far
east as we've gone in Russia and Siberg pardon fortiencel
in Ukraine to ask those that live there whether they
consider themselves Russian or Ukrainian, and to a person they
have said, we are or I am Ukrainian. And we've

(03:22):
been to a place called a chance Ryn, which has
now fallen sadly, it was only about one where we
were about one kilometer from the Russian border. And even
though they all speak Russian, and you know, the vast
majority do speak Russian in those eastern parts of Ukraine,
they still consider themselves very much to be Ukrainian.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Thanks so much for your time, Timby, and you're input
timb power, Key, we care, that's key, We eight and
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