The head of the Public Service Sector says the Government needs to do better with Kiwis' data.
A report into claims Covid and Census data were misused during the 2023 election has been released today.
It highlights significant shortcomings at Stats NZ and Health NZ - and concluded the agencies failed to ensure data provided to third-party providers was kept confidential.
Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper says this isn't a good look for the wider public service sector.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fourteen to five, all the secrecy, all of the hiding
behind the diplomacy, and finally we have our hands on
this comprehensive strategic partnership between the Cooks and China. Barri Sopacy,
Hey Barry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And it has to be put into some perspective, doesn't
it really Ryan that the Corkhans has a population of
well under twenty thousand people. China has a population of
one point four billion people. The Cooks is about the
size population wise or smaller than Levin. So it's like
China doing a deal with live In. And why on
(00:34):
Earth Mark Brown, the Prime Minister of the Cooks has
kept this deal secret. Goodness only knows either it is
creating trouble because it is an insult in New Zealand.
We do have an agreement with the Cork Islands to
be open and frank with New Zealand about their dealings internationally.
They are part of a realm. Are their realm the
(00:55):
New Zealand realm, which basically means we both have there's
head of stake, King King Charles. So no big deal.
But I've read, I've skim read the deal. If they
if the Chinese are trying to win the hearts and
minds of the Cork Islanders. China has agreed to continue
to supply scholarship opportunities to the Cooks and they'll make
(01:19):
every endeavor to take them up. That's the Cork Island.
China will continue to promote the Chinese language by Cork Islanders,
and they're providing they'll provide teaching resources within the Corks
to teach them Chinese.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
See the thing is I mean you mentioned Levin. Levin
doesn't need a new port being built, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The infrastructure has been built by the Chinese in the
Cork Islands now for some considerable time.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, but this looks to me. I mean, the thing
that worries me. The only thing that worries me about
this agreement is the mention of one belt, one road,
which is you know, the old Silk the new road
Silk road they're looking at so, I mean, and they
wanted to put the Cooks on it.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The thing is you look at the Pacific was ignored
by the United States for quite a long time. The
Chinese influence in the court, not in mccox, in the
Pacific nationhood has been essentially taken up by the Chinese,
so they are much more influence influence in the Pacific
(02:22):
than they once were. But that's you'd have to look
at the reasons for that. New Zealand's doing its best
now to re establish itself, but doesn't have the money. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That China has a lot of big reports out today
which we've been you know, skimming our way through the
Public Service Commission report, and we've had a addis into
the vaccines and the census Dardo, and we've had the
state stats in z Boss fall on his sword.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yes, Sir Mark Soden, he's going at the end of marches,
which is when his contract ends. I'm not sure there
has been told to walk up. I suspect that is
the case. Brian Roach, who I know very well, probably
said from look, it's not a good look for the
public service. This too many gaps, not enough checks and balances,
(03:09):
and of course you've got the Maldi Party right at
the center of this. What this inquiry didn't do though,
and it's important to note that it didn't look at
the validity of the specific allegations that have been made
against the Maldi Party that's being locked at by the
Privacy Commissioner and by the police, and they are the
critical ones when it comes to politics and all of this.
(03:31):
But certainly the public service generally has been found wanting.
And I know you're going to be talking to Brian
Roach and you'll know how to repeat those comments.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
The Green's been a bit silly in parliament.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh honestly, Ryan, I thought, if you really want to
know how ridiculous of the Greens can come, it can
be when it comes to Parliament whether New Zealand should
be rugging up over winter or letting a leight's go off.
Here's Chloe Swarbrick answering asking Chris lux in a question
(04:06):
that obviously falls into the category of knowing the answer
before it's asked, but then later compounding it, in my view,
with just plain silliness.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Does extracting and burning coal make climate change better or worse?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, I just say having an oil and gas band
that that member signed up for, which has led us
to import in huge amounts of Indonesian coal to keep
our lights on, we would like it to be gas
because that's better than coal and we're not going to
have the situation we had last winter.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
The Honorable Change O Kin the Prime Minister confirm is
a consequence of the cancellation and the oil and gas industry,
over one million dollars worth of coal will be important
from Indonesia to enable people to actually enjoy energy security
this year.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Absolutely, and again it wouldn't need to be that way
if the previous government had a proper energy policy instead
of a bumper stigger.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Why does the Prime Minister think that? Rodka, former year
of the Climate Change Commission, and his final hearing before
this Parliament, said that those who promote the combustion of
fossil fuels are quote commissing crimes against humanity in.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Quote Godli to him.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I mean, this is an outrageous conversation we're actually having
here because this country needs to grow. We need to
have economic growth. The Greens not for economic growth.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Honestly, I mean, you know, I just thought it's worth
playing that just to show how silly this argument can become.
She actually even said us Chris likeson whether coal was
a mineral, and I don't think he knew actually it's
a fossil fuel. But if you look it up, if
you look up what coal consists of, there are minerals
(05:42):
and coals it's.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
On our minerals list. Now we can probably sneak it
in there. Surely fascinating, that isn't it. I mean it's
it's that sort of level of debate. We're either with
us or you know you're a nazi, can't.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, no, that's exactly. It's just nonsense.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And this is Chloe's using the electricity that's generated by col.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes flying from Auckland every week to go to Parliament,
burning carbon credits.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So every time she gets on a plane, it's a
crime against humanity, exactly. Very sot it, Very Soper, Senior
political correspondent, News Talks. It'd be seven to five.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Listen live to News Talks. He'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Fourteen to five, all the secrecy, all of the hiding
behind the diplomacy, and finally we have our hands on
this comprehensive strategic partnership between the Cooks and China. Barri Sopacy,
Hey Barry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And it has to be put into some perspective, doesn't
it really Ryan that the Corkhans has a population of
well under twenty thousand people. China has a population of
one point four billion people. The Cooks is about the
size population wise or smaller than Levin. So it's like
China doing a deal with live In. And why on
(00:34):
Earth Mark Brown, the Prime Minister of the Cooks has
kept this deal secret. Goodness only knows either it is
creating trouble because it is an insult in New Zealand.
We do have an agreement with the Cork Islands to
be open and frank with New Zealand about their dealings internationally.
They are part of a realm. Are their realm the
(00:55):
New Zealand realm, which basically means we both have there's
head of stake, King King Charles. So no big deal.
But I've read, I've skim read the deal. If they
if the Chinese are trying to win the hearts and
minds of the Cork Islanders. China has agreed to continue
to supply scholarship opportunities to the Cooks and they'll make
(01:19):
every endeavor to take them up. That's the Cork Island.
China will continue to promote the Chinese language by Cork Islanders,
and they're providing they'll provide teaching resources within the Corks
to teach them Chinese.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
See the thing is I mean you mentioned Levin. Levin
doesn't need a new port being built, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The infrastructure has been built by the Chinese in the
Cork Islands now for some considerable time.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yes, but this looks to me. I mean, the thing
that worries me. The only thing that worries me about
this agreement is the mention of one belt, one road,
which is you know, the old Silk the new road
Silk road they're looking at so, I mean, and they
wanted to put the Cooks on it.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The thing is you look at the Pacific was ignored
by the United States for quite a long time. The
Chinese influence in the court, not in mccox, in the
Pacific nationhood has been essentially taken up by the Chinese,
so they are much more influence influence in the Pacific
(02:22):
than they once were. But that's you'd have to look
at the reasons for that. New Zealand's doing its best
now to re establish itself, but doesn't have the money. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That China has a lot of big reports out today
which we've been you know, skimming our way through the
Public Service Commission report, and we've had a addis into
the vaccines and the census Dardo, and we've had the
state stats in z Boss fall on his sword.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yes, Sir Mark Soden, he's going at the end of marches,
which is when his contract ends. I'm not sure there
has been told to walk up. I suspect that is
the case. Brian Roach, who I know very well, probably
said from look, it's not a good look for the
public service. This too many gaps, not enough checks and balances,
(03:09):
and of course you've got the Maldi Party right at
the center of this. What this inquiry didn't do though,
and it's important to note that it didn't look at
the validity of the specific allegations that have been made
against the Maldi Party that's being locked at by the
Privacy Commissioner and by the police, and they are the
critical ones when it comes to politics and all of this.
(03:31):
But certainly the public service generally has been found wanting.
And I know you're going to be talking to Brian
Roach and you'll know how to repeat those comments.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
The Green's been a bit silly in parliament.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Oh honestly, Ryan, I thought, if you really want to
know how ridiculous of the Greens can come, it can
be when it comes to Parliament whether New Zealand should
be rugging up over winter or letting a leight's go off.
Here's Chloe Swarbrick answering asking Chris lux in a question
(04:06):
that obviously falls into the category of knowing the answer
before it's asked, but then later compounding it, in my view,
with just plain silliness.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Does extracting and burning coal make climate change better or worse?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Well, I just say having an oil and gas band
that that member signed up for, which has led us
to import in huge amounts of Indonesian coal to keep
our lights on, we would like it to be gas
because that's better than coal and we're not going to
have the situation we had last winter.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
The Honorable Change O Kin the Prime Minister confirm is
a consequence of the cancellation and the oil and gas industry,
over one million dollars worth of coal will be important
from Indonesia to enable people to actually enjoy energy security
this year.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Absolutely, and again it wouldn't need to be that way
if the previous government had a proper energy policy instead
of a bumper stigger.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Why does the Prime Minister think that? Rodka, former year
of the Climate Change Commission, and his final hearing before
this Parliament, said that those who promote the combustion of
fossil fuels are quote commissing crimes against humanity in.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Quote Godli to him.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
I mean, this is an outrageous conversation we're actually having
here because this country needs to grow. We need to
have economic growth. The Greens not for economic growth.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Honestly, I mean, you know, I just thought it's worth
playing that just to show how silly this argument can become.
She actually even said us Chris likeson whether coal was
a mineral, and I don't think he knew actually it's
a fossil fuel. But if you look it up, if
you look up what coal consists of, there are minerals
(05:42):
and coals it's.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
On our minerals list. Now we can probably sneak it
in there. Surely fascinating, that isn't it. I mean it's
it's that sort of level of debate. We're either with
us or you know you're a nazi, can't.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, no, that's exactly. It's just nonsense.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And this is Chloe's using the electricity that's generated by col.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yes flying from Auckland every week to go to Parliament,
burning carbon credits.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So every time she gets on a plane, it's a
crime against humanity, exactly. Very sot it, Very Soper, Senior
political correspondent, News Talks. It'd be seven to five.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Listen live to News Talks. He'd be from four pm weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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