February 25, 2025 • 12 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, journalist Clare de Lore and Infrastrucuture New Zealand CEO Nick Leggett joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the week - and more!
British streaming platform DAZN are being courted by New Zealand Rugby to make an 11th hour bid for the rugby rights deal after the body got into a stalemate with Sky. What do we make of this?
The Police Minister is crediting officers for a significant drop in violent crime - the first dip in five years. Do we feel safter when we go out?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining the huddle tonight. Clear Delort journalist is with us.
High clear, great, thank you and good to have you
here in the studio with me. Nick leg gets here
as well, Infrastructure and Z chief executive. Hey Nick, Hello,
Hi Nick. Good to have you guys here. We'll start
with this. Do you to either of you clear, do
you have Sky? And if do you and do you
have it for the rugby or do you know people
(00:21):
who have it? Is it for sport? Well?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We do have Sky, and it is a bit of
a joke in my sort of friendship group hashtag sport
is my life.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Not really, but sport is the.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Very important part of that package for at least one
person in the household. And and I think if it
wasn't part of it, no, there would not there would
not be a need for it. So and I know
some people who only have it for the sport, So yeah,
I think what is Sky without rugby?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah? Exactly. The good thing about Sky, well apart from
just recently where they've had some migration issues to a
new satellite, but the good thing Nick about Sky is
that it's not streaming, so it does you know, there
are no glitches generally, it's satellite and it's good quality
when you're watching rugby or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, I think that's right, and it's it's a way
that people have come to expect that they can access
their rugby and other sport. And I mean, like Clare,
there is a Sky subscription in our house. It's actually
my father in laws and rugby is a big is
a big component of that. The other part, of course
is things like CNN and Fox, which are important part
(01:31):
of the of the package. But look, I mean I
think what people will be wanting to know here is
that is our access to rugby preserved and is it
going to be affordable? And that is what will be
important to most New Zealanders. So I guess getting it
sorted out is going to be quite critical just to
reassure people.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, and I think Maybean building that audience for rugby
is really important because there is competition nipping away. I
went to the Auckland FC match at the weekend to
the soccer.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I think, how was it called it rowdy?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It looks that, you know, it was fantastic. The atmosphere
was great, good started at five, out at seven, incredibly
well organized and I was very impressed. So you know,
if that takes off, they've got competition in our biggest city.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well they do, and it has, I mean it has
taken off. They've sold out what every single game or
nearly every single game.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, I mean maintaining that is always going to be
a challenge because the initial enthusiasm is there. But you know,
you hope, for example, if this does own gets involved,
that Tarlene Blavatnik is personally very invested in it because
he's worth about thirty two billion dollars. Wow, so you
want to hope he really likes rugby personally, certainly do.
That makes a hell of a difference to whether they
(02:42):
stick around.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
The Anios guy said he liked rugby and he was
worth plenty of billions too. Where's he gone?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
They're a bit flaky?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Hey, Let's move on to talk about the violent crime stats.
So the numbers down two percent, but the minister's sort
of plucking numbers from everywhere in his press release. He's
even taken some from Twitter. Nonetheless, there does seem to
be a feeling amongst people that violent crime and the
really really bad stuff it's not fixed, but it's coming
down a little bit neck Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well? I think it's a very good early indicator. I mean,
when you look at that within the context of pretty
dire economic circumstances, for the country to think that actions
the government has taken on crime, that people are more stressed,
yet violent crime is reducing, it does lead you to
(03:34):
have some hope that we might be on a trend
and that intervention is actually being successful. So I think that, Look,
I think we should be optimistic about this, but perhaps
not quite confident at this point. But as I can
tell you, Ryan, it's really nice to have some good news.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. It did feel good
reading that story today.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah. And if people are feeling safer, they're going to
want to go out a bit more, for example, be
on the streets a little bit more, go down to
their local cafe without worrying about, oh my god, it's
getting dark. I'm going to get bashed over the head.
It doesn't mean you can be complacent. But the other
thing the government has to be just a little bit
worry about is if these figures take a bit of
a blip at some stage. They've set themselves up for
owning this. Yeah, and they'll own any drop in good figures.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So you know they did say I did notice a
line at the very end of their two page press
release thing. You know these numbers will fluctuate.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes, always have your basis just an outclause.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We'll be back in just a moment with the huddle.
And where with the huddle? Tonight's clear delort journalists here
and Nick Leggett infrastructure and is in chief executive. Welcome
back guys, Nick, you're in Wellington. How is the news
going down that Tory Farno was pulling out of her month?
Was it monthly or fortnightly? I think it was only
monthly appearance with Nick Mills from News Talks, he'd be
(04:54):
a regular slot with him, and she said, no, I'm
going to diversify, you know, as they always do, diversify
my media offering. How's it going down in Wellington?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well? I think it obviously comes on the back of
a pole result which shows her personal rating I think
minus forty two and that's I think the first time
the polls taken that was at plus four, so it's
quite a drop. And look, people have been surprised. Wellington
(05:25):
Mornings with Nick Mills is a top rated show in Wellington.
Nick has done a great job of building the audience
over time, and people do listen. The other point about
Nick Mills is that he's not tough on the people
he brings in. He can ask hard questions, but he's
got a reputation I think is being very fair. So
it is surprising, and it does seem as though in
(05:46):
an election year it would be odd to want to
really deny yourself an audience of several thousand people of
a morning, and one that you'd be trying to win
over to, you know, as you come down the election straight.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I did think it an odd moode. In fact, when
I first heard the news that this was happening, I said, oh, wow,
she mustn't be running for marrying him then. And I
don't think we quite know yet whether she is or
not clear, but it is an odd thing to do
an election.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yet I think she has committed to standing again. Really Yeah,
Because I checked that.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Out too, I wondered, we'll be loving that.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, And I guess Look, it's up to each individual
to decide how they best communicate. Maybe in her case,
she's found the more she communicates through Nick Mills or whoever,
the greater her disapproval ratings, which means really her life
in local body politics, which is pretty people oriented. You know,
you've got to be able to reach out in the community,
(06:37):
not just your base, and her base is the Green Party,
and she's really sort of coming strongly back to the
Green support that she has and says it's a lonely job,
so she hangs out now with the Green Party caucus
at Parliament. You need to have a much wider sort
of base than that. You don't need to have loads
of friends within that base, but you need to be
able to talk across a whole range of peace people
(07:00):
and reach out and get above some of that sort
of party politically should really be above party politics. And unfortunately,
if you're going to immess yourself in one party more
and more and isolate yourself more from listening to your electors,
you're probably not going to end up being re elected.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
No, well, I mean I think we can all say
if we say she won't be re elected, it'd be
interesting to see who does put their hat in the
ring and who wins.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, yeah, I mean people want certainty on that. They
want certainty on to know who's running, and they want
to be able to either get behind it and come
or back a new candidate. And I think that it's
a lot Wellington is taking its time there. I mean,
this has been a council, not just in this term,
but over I think several terms. It's been quite perceivedous,
(07:48):
quite toxic at times. Actually they have come together and
made decisions. But I do just to pick up a lot.
Claire said, what I like about local government is that often,
irrespective your politics, you can work across the aisle. And
I've been a mayor obviously not of Wellington, but have
put it in and I really like the fact that
you can. I was able to work constructively and effectively
(08:10):
with people to my left and people to my right.
And party politics is the antithesis of that. It really
blocks and it says there's only one type of person
and that's the person that shares my political colors. And
I do think that limits the ability of local government
to be effective because you do have to work with
(08:32):
people that you might not agree with on everything. But
actually communities expect that. And so it'll be interesting to
see if thots this year reward or otherwise candidates that
are really identified as being party political.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Just finally, we're talking as soon as we're talking politics
and we're talking media, the way that the government is,
the language that the government's using, it is starting to annoy. Well, no,
it's not starting to It's been annoying people for a
very long time, and press sex are guilty of this
for time Memoriam. But in describing Andrew Bailey's discussion as
(09:05):
an animated discussion, you know, rather than I don't know,
a fight or whatever it might be, and then touching
the shoulder, and then you had the Prime Minister on
the mic hossing breakfast this morning's it pains to avoid
saying that he would have sacked the guy had he
not resigned. Clear, do you think they need to change
the way that they talk to us or do you
(09:26):
think we should just accept that this is how they operate.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, in regard to that particular issue with Andrew Bailey,
we haven't heard the other side and may never because
the other party may not want to have their name
sort of dragged into the public domain. So it's really
quite hard to say. So it has to be I
guess at the moment described in a very generic sort
of way. True, But I listened, I went I can
listen to Mike Costkings interview with the Prime Minister, and
(09:53):
I just cannot understand how somebody who has had media
training cannot give a one word answer. Yes, it was
very effective, just as as an interviewer asking why and
leaving a big silence, you know. I mean, it can
take the interviewee by a surprise and they're left scrambling
because they're waiting for a very verbose sort of a question.
(10:14):
So I think that it doesn't serve christ Rehluxing very
well to sort of be trying to pile all these
kind of factoids in all of the time. He's quite close.
I gather to John Key, who was actually a very
good communicator. He knew what to deliver. Someone's got to
say to him, you know, just answer the question in
a very straightforward way. And of course if he had
(10:38):
said yes, I would have sacked them. I don't think
Andrew Bailey was going to come out and seek a
fight over that and say no, you wouldn't have exactly,
so he didn't have anything to lose by looking very exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I wondered the same thing, why would it have hurt
to have said this in that situation? And it does?
It just it stopped the Prime minister's interview from being
able to cover things that actually most of us are
more interested in. Like I know the media wants to
know all the ins and outs, but actually most people
out in the public, we know that Andrew Bailey's gone,
(11:15):
He's resigned. Okay, made you know, did something silly, Let's
move on. But it sort of keeps it going. And
I do, like most of us do want to Actually
we're we're more interested in other things once the issue
has been dealt with. But I do think that not
answering a question directly gives it fuels the fire that
(11:38):
probably the government don't want to. It's a fire that
don't want fueled.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, and it'd be very interesting to see how long
this drags out politically, because I heard a journalist positing today, well,
we didn't have, technically speaking, a minister of acc over
the weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I heard that and I just thought.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That did us no harm.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
No, the country has not crumbled.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
No, and the Prime Minister can always step in in
the absence of a minister. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, totally agree. Clear, Thank you very much for that, Nick,
you too, Clear to lord journalist nickli Get Infrastructures in
Chief Executive on the Huddley
Speaker 2 (12:11):
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Joining the huddle tonight. Clear Delort journalist is with us.
High clear, great, thank you and good to have you
here in the studio with me. Nick leg gets here
as well, Infrastructure and Z chief executive. Hey Nick, Hello,
Hi Nick. Good to have you guys here. We'll start
with this. Do you to either of you clear, do
you have Sky? And if do you and do you
have it for the rugby or do you know people
(00:21):
who have it? Is it for sport? Well?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We do have Sky, and it is a bit of
a joke in my sort of friendship group hashtag sport
is my life.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Not really, but sport is the.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Very important part of that package for at least one
person in the household. And and I think if it
wasn't part of it, no, there would not there would
not be a need for it. So and I know
some people who only have it for the sport, So yeah,
I think what is Sky without rugby?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah? Exactly. The good thing about Sky, well apart from
just recently where they've had some migration issues to a
new satellite, but the good thing Nick about Sky is
that it's not streaming, so it does you know, there
are no glitches generally, it's satellite and it's good quality
when you're watching rugby or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, I think that's right, and it's it's a way
that people have come to expect that they can access
their rugby and other sport. And I mean, like Clare,
there is a Sky subscription in our house. It's actually
my father in laws and rugby is a big is
a big component of that. The other part, of course
is things like CNN and Fox, which are important part
(01:31):
of the of the package. But look, I mean I
think what people will be wanting to know here is
that is our access to rugby preserved and is it
going to be affordable? And that is what will be
important to most New Zealanders. So I guess getting it
sorted out is going to be quite critical just to
reassure people.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, and I think Maybean building that audience for rugby
is really important because there is competition nipping away. I
went to the Auckland FC match at the weekend to
the soccer.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I think, how was it called it rowdy?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It looks that, you know, it was fantastic. The atmosphere
was great, good started at five, out at seven, incredibly
well organized and I was very impressed. So you know,
if that takes off, they've got competition in our biggest city.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well they do, and it has, I mean it has
taken off. They've sold out what every single game or
nearly every single game.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, I mean maintaining that is always going to be
a challenge because the initial enthusiasm is there. But you know,
you hope, for example, if this does own gets involved,
that Tarlene Blavatnik is personally very invested in it because
he's worth about thirty two billion dollars. Wow, so you
want to hope he really likes rugby personally, certainly do.
That makes a hell of a difference to whether they
(02:42):
stick around.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
The Anios guy said he liked rugby and he was
worth plenty of billions too. Where's he gone?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
They're a bit flaky?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Hey, Let's move on to talk about the violent crime stats.
So the numbers down two percent, but the minister's sort
of plucking numbers from everywhere in his press release. He's
even taken some from Twitter. Nonetheless, there does seem to
be a feeling amongst people that violent crime and the
really really bad stuff it's not fixed, but it's coming
down a little bit neck Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well? I think it's a very good early indicator. I mean,
when you look at that within the context of pretty
dire economic circumstances, for the country to think that actions
the government has taken on crime, that people are more stressed,
yet violent crime is reducing, it does lead you to
(03:34):
have some hope that we might be on a trend
and that intervention is actually being successful. So I think that, Look,
I think we should be optimistic about this, but perhaps
not quite confident at this point. But as I can
tell you, Ryan, it's really nice to have some good news.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. It did feel good
reading that story today.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah. And if people are feeling safer, they're going to
want to go out a bit more, for example, be
on the streets a little bit more, go down to
their local cafe without worrying about, oh my god, it's
getting dark. I'm going to get bashed over the head.
It doesn't mean you can be complacent. But the other
thing the government has to be just a little bit
worry about is if these figures take a bit of
a blip at some stage. They've set themselves up for
owning this. Yeah, and they'll own any drop in good figures.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So you know they did say I did notice a
line at the very end of their two page press
release thing. You know these numbers will fluctuate.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yes, always have your basis just an outclause.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We'll be back in just a moment with the huddle.
And where with the huddle? Tonight's clear delort journalists here
and Nick Leggett infrastructure and is in chief executive. Welcome
back guys, Nick, you're in Wellington. How is the news
going down that Tory Farno was pulling out of her month?
Was it monthly or fortnightly? I think it was only
monthly appearance with Nick Mills from News Talks, he'd be
(04:54):
a regular slot with him, and she said, no, I'm
going to diversify, you know, as they always do, diversify
my media offering. How's it going down in Wellington?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well? I think it obviously comes on the back of
a pole result which shows her personal rating I think
minus forty two and that's I think the first time
the polls taken that was at plus four, so it's
quite a drop. And look, people have been surprised. Wellington
(05:25):
Mornings with Nick Mills is a top rated show in Wellington.
Nick has done a great job of building the audience
over time, and people do listen. The other point about
Nick Mills is that he's not tough on the people
he brings in. He can ask hard questions, but he's
got a reputation I think is being very fair. So
it is surprising, and it does seem as though in
(05:46):
an election year it would be odd to want to
really deny yourself an audience of several thousand people of
a morning, and one that you'd be trying to win
over to, you know, as you come down the election straight.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I did think it an odd moode. In fact, when
I first heard the news that this was happening, I said, oh, wow,
she mustn't be running for marrying him then. And I
don't think we quite know yet whether she is or
not clear, but it is an odd thing to do
an election.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yet I think she has committed to standing again. Really Yeah,
Because I checked that.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Out too, I wondered, we'll be loving that.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, And I guess Look, it's up to each individual
to decide how they best communicate. Maybe in her case,
she's found the more she communicates through Nick Mills or whoever,
the greater her disapproval ratings, which means really her life
in local body politics, which is pretty people oriented. You know,
you've got to be able to reach out in the community,
(06:37):
not just your base, and her base is the Green Party,
and she's really sort of coming strongly back to the
Green support that she has and says it's a lonely job,
so she hangs out now with the Green Party caucus
at Parliament. You need to have a much wider sort
of base than that. You don't need to have loads
of friends within that base, but you need to be
able to talk across a whole range of peace people
(07:00):
and reach out and get above some of that sort
of party politically should really be above party politics. And unfortunately,
if you're going to immess yourself in one party more
and more and isolate yourself more from listening to your electors,
you're probably not going to end up being re elected.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
No, well, I mean I think we can all say
if we say she won't be re elected, it'd be
interesting to see who does put their hat in the
ring and who wins.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, yeah, I mean people want certainty on that. They
want certainty on to know who's running, and they want
to be able to either get behind it and come
or back a new candidate. And I think that it's
a lot Wellington is taking its time there. I mean,
this has been a council, not just in this term,
but over I think several terms. It's been quite perceivedous,
(07:48):
quite toxic at times. Actually they have come together and
made decisions. But I do just to pick up a lot.
Claire said, what I like about local government is that often,
irrespective your politics, you can work across the aisle. And
I've been a mayor obviously not of Wellington, but have
put it in and I really like the fact that
you can. I was able to work constructively and effectively
(08:10):
with people to my left and people to my right.
And party politics is the antithesis of that. It really
blocks and it says there's only one type of person
and that's the person that shares my political colors. And
I do think that limits the ability of local government
to be effective because you do have to work with
(08:32):
people that you might not agree with on everything. But
actually communities expect that. And so it'll be interesting to
see if thots this year reward or otherwise candidates that
are really identified as being party political.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Just finally, we're talking as soon as we're talking politics
and we're talking media, the way that the government is,
the language that the government's using, it is starting to annoy. Well, no,
it's not starting to It's been annoying people for a
very long time, and press sex are guilty of this
for time Memoriam. But in describing Andrew Bailey's discussion as
(09:05):
an animated discussion, you know, rather than I don't know,
a fight or whatever it might be, and then touching
the shoulder, and then you had the Prime Minister on
the mic hossing breakfast this morning's it pains to avoid
saying that he would have sacked the guy had he
not resigned. Clear, do you think they need to change
the way that they talk to us or do you
(09:26):
think we should just accept that this is how they operate.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Well, in regard to that particular issue with Andrew Bailey,
we haven't heard the other side and may never because
the other party may not want to have their name
sort of dragged into the public domain. So it's really
quite hard to say. So it has to be I
guess at the moment described in a very generic sort
of way. True, But I listened, I went I can
listen to Mike Costkings interview with the Prime Minister, and
(09:53):
I just cannot understand how somebody who has had media
training cannot give a one word answer. Yes, it was
very effective, just as as an interviewer asking why and
leaving a big silence, you know. I mean, it can
take the interviewee by a surprise and they're left scrambling
because they're waiting for a very verbose sort of a question.
(10:14):
So I think that it doesn't serve christ Rehluxing very
well to sort of be trying to pile all these
kind of factoids in all of the time. He's quite close.
I gather to John Key, who was actually a very
good communicator. He knew what to deliver. Someone's got to
say to him, you know, just answer the question in
a very straightforward way. And of course if he had
(10:38):
said yes, I would have sacked them. I don't think
Andrew Bailey was going to come out and seek a
fight over that and say no, you wouldn't have exactly,
so he didn't have anything to lose by looking very exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I wondered the same thing, why would it have hurt
to have said this in that situation? And it does?
It just it stopped the Prime minister's interview from being
able to cover things that actually most of us are
more interested in. Like I know the media wants to
know all the ins and outs, but actually most people
out in the public, we know that Andrew Bailey's gone,
(11:15):
He's resigned. Okay, made you know, did something silly, Let's
move on. But it sort of keeps it going. And
I do, like most of us do want to Actually
we're we're more interested in other things once the issue
has been dealt with. But I do think that not
answering a question directly gives it fuels the fire that
(11:38):
probably the government don't want to. It's a fire that
don't want fueled.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, and it'd be very interesting to see how long
this drags out politically, because I heard a journalist positing today, well,
we didn't have, technically speaking, a minister of acc over
the weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I heard that and I just thought.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That did us no harm.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
No, the country has not crumbled.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
No, and the Prime Minister can always step in in
the absence of a minister. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, totally agree. Clear, Thank you very much for that, Nick,
you too, Clear to lord journalist nickli Get Infrastructures in
Chief Executive on the Huddley
Speaker 2 (12:11):
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