Full Show Podcast: 17 March 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Digging through the Smiths to find the real story. Or
it's Ryan Bridge on Heather dupers Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Let's get connected and news talks'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Good afternoon seven after four, great to have your company
this Monday afternoon. India. The FDA is a deal worth
it without dairy, No dairy. We'll ask that question after five.
Rates on your Airbnb if you own one, is it
fair or is it a council rip off? David Seymour
on his wall with the Rahliti White stt Well here
to Australia. The unions are getting particularly fair all over there.

(00:36):
We'll tell you why and what's being done about it.
Students are partying in Dunedin. Is that news? And Nikola
willis after six Bridge for the first time at the weekend,
I wandered on down to the viaduct here in Auckland
and checked out Wayne Brown's pool. It's everyone been down
to see Wayne Brown's pool. You must go and have

(00:56):
a look. And when I say Paul, I mean it's
the ocean, but he's shaped it as such that it
appears to be a swimming pool. My parents in all
they were visiting for the weekend, so we took them
down there and went down in the car very hot.
It was a Saturday evening, Saturday afternoon, so we went
down there. Absolutely brilliant idea. I mean, it's not rocket sciences.

(01:19):
It's a couple of old floating docks from the wharf
nearby that apparently old mate Wayne Brown went and asked
if he could borrow or buy or commandeer or whatever,
put a bit of a barrier around it, a gate
for your diving board. A couple of we changing sheds
half a million bucks. I think it costs a ratepayer.

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Bob's your uncle. There were adults there, there were kids there.
They were doing bombs off the wharf. One old guy
was doing laps with his goggles on and the lap pool.
Everybody having a great time. Everybody having a fantastic time.
And I thought, well, you don't need a big, fancy,
purpose built aquatic center head We've got the ocean, aren't

(02:02):
we lucky? And you know all those kids they could
afford to go there because there was nothing to pay.
There was no eighteen dollar entry fee with extra for
the diving board because it's in the ocean, so it's free.
Our councils get funding requests every day and every week
up and down the country. We talk about this absurd

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funding requests that they get. Last Friday, we were talking
about how to house the homeless, like it's the council's job.
They get these ridiculous requests every day for funding and
some of the most outrageous white elephant projects. They've asked
to fund everything under the sun these days, and to
make everything safe for all of the vulnerable people. Have

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you noticed that? But what we really need to do
is just readjust our expectations. I reckon. Not everything can
be new and perfect and sparkly and spankly. Not every
road can be run by pedestrians that are called footpaths,
and not every footpath needs a separate cycle way, and

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not every cycle way needs to be gold plated. Not
every road crossing needs to be a raised one. What's
up with that? Honestly, the number popping up around my house.
I want to drive myself off the side of a cliff.
And why can't a pool be the ocean. Plenty of
kids could have hurt themselves at Wayne Brown's pool, probably

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many have, some will get injuries, some may get bad ones.
But most will learn how to keep themselves safe. That's
called life. It can be risky, but very exciting, and
it need not be very expensive. Bridge and after four
news talks they'd be nineteen nine two the number de text.

(03:51):
So one in four school principles claim to see harmful
behavior every day, and the Children's Commissioner now wants to
see this change. This is to do with bullying. The
Commissioner wants schools to regularly report and publicly share data
on bullying at school. In other words, keep a logbook
and then publish it. Secondary School's Principal Association President Vaughan

(04:14):
Quo is with me, Hi, Vaughn.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Jord, how are you yeah, good?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Thank you? Good idea? Bad idea? Or is this just
a pen pusher with a dumb idea? It sounds sort
of sounds like that.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Well, the good part of it is nobody wants to
see anyone bullied or hurt at school, right, So we've
got an obligation to make sure we get that right.
What challenging about it is it's not quite as easily
quantified as you might think. Sort of like when you
were when you were talking about the Mayor's pool a
minute ago. It's not quite as easy as just judging
a money coming off the off that pontoon there. You

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could apply some fairly simple rules and how high the
splash is, for example. But when it comes to when
it comes to behavior management and defining what bullying is,
there's lots of gray space. Every little conflict of book
is born different stuff. And of course when you look
at say the bully Free New Zealand website, there's clear
definitions of what bullying is. But it's it's deliberate and

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there's a power and balance, it happens more than once.
It's a it's a repetitive behavior that's designed to cause harm.
And we often confuse bullying with just people not liking
each other and having a conflict that's relatively short lived
or one off acts of people being mean or rude.
And so if we were going to have a national
data base, that's that's reporting on that data in a

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public way or a way of reporting that through our
existing systems, you have to you'd have to have consistency
across everybody, every teacher, every data entry point.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Too hard basket, Yeah, okay, all right, well we won't
do it then, I mean, why do we so why
do we bother with these Thanks job done.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
We have these.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Reports, then we have the Children's Commissioner coming out and
calling for regular reporting, and then we have the PPG
come out and joining them. I mean, why don't we
just go back to teaching.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
There's that is an argument, right, but part of the
teaching is, yes, there's literacy and numeracy, but we're actually
we're actually there is social engineers and trying to teach
people correct behavior as well. So it's a bit cliche,
but it does take everyone to raise a child, and
I think the the Children's Commissioner raising the issue and
causing a conversation to happen will sharpen people's focus up

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around that, so that side of it is not so bad.
But you're not going to necessarily get anywhere publicly reporting
that my school has the worst bullying in the country,
because all it will happen is everyone will flood away
from my school and you've got a massive Crown asset
that's sitting empty on my campus.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Do you think people might actually some of the schools
might actually under report because they don't want to look
at the bullies school.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
There's a significant disincentive to it, right, So you want
to make sure that you're first doing no harm. Very hypocratic, right,
and so you want to make sure that whatever solution
you put in place, actually the pointer is to stop
the bullying from here, not expose this, that or the
other thing.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
What about there's lots of people messaging and saying bullying
is actually I mean, obviously someone's getting beaten till within
into their life. No one wants to see that. But
a little bit of bullying is a good thing. It
orders kids, you know, well.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
A little bit of a little bit of a little
bit of banter is a good thing. There's quite a
difference between banter that you and I might have as
friends when we meet on Friday and hassle each other
over our working weeks and bullying. So remember, bullying is
about an imbalance of power and repetitive and so where
there's an imbalance of parents, not even I'm feeling subordinate

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to you, and it doesn't I don't have a sense
of social justice or fineness around that. And so if
we're talking about bullying, a little bit of bullying is
not okay. Banter between mates is probably the thing that
they're referring to them. If they think it might be Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Okay, all right, Vawn, thank you very much, so that
really appreciate your time as always. Thorn Creer with us
just gone fourteen minutes after four here on news Talks.
You'd be once on these secondary principles. Association, by the way, says,
don't worry about your logbook for bullying, because what is
bullying anyway? Nine two is the number to text. I
don't know. I do think not bullying, but a little

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bit of teasing and ribbing is just part of life,
especially when you're growing up, when you're that age. Nineteen
ninety two, quarter past four. Sport next, shame about Liam
Lawson on the weekend, but I went to the Warriors,
didn't they do well.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's the Heather to Bussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 3 (08:32):
It is seventeen minutes after four. Great to have your company.
Lots of feedback. We'll get to your text in just second,
but very quickly. Interesting watching the stock market over in
the US first half of March. Individual investors, this is
not your managed funds, but your individuals. They've been taking
out their four oh one case. That's their retirement funds
out of the stock market and the US at more

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than four times the normal level. And other words, people
are fleeing. And this is because of the uncertainty on
the markets because of Trump and the going to the Euro.
Stocks up some of these indices up ten percent this
year already. And there's an eighty two year old man
they talk about in the Wall Street Journal. He has
taken half of his retirement funds out of the stock

(09:13):
market in the US and plumped it into gold. Gold's
obviously been up as well around three thousand and nunced.
It's thirteen point six percent this year, it's eighteen after.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Four Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Jason pineas with us. Hey Jason, Hello, Ryan, Now Liam
Lawson on yesterday wasn't very great, No no.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
But didn't go the way he would have planned. He
had a pretty tough weekend all things considered. Ryan, even
from practice where you know, it started to go a
little bit of rye for him. Then after qualifying he
was on the back foot there and qualified way at
the back of the grid. Then they changed the car
so he had to start from pitt Lane under F
one regulations and on a very very challenging day, in

(09:58):
Melbourne yesterday without goodness only knows how they can go
at three hundred k with that rain lashing against the cars.
But nonetheless, he wasn't able to finish a DNF in
his first full time drive for red Ball. Look, it's
a long season. There are twenty four events. This is
number one of twenty four. But look, I'm sure he
would have much rather had a better day yesterday. It'll

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be a very good test of his resilience. That's one
of the reasons they put him in that car. They
had a lot of options in the two seat for
red Ball. They decided on Liam Lawson not only because
he's a good driver, but because he's got good mental fortitude.
He's going to need it because it is a harsh
glare on these twenty drivers and it hasn't started that
well for Liam Lawson.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
It has been as you say, long season to go
and as I understand it, if you finish outside the
top ten, you don't get any points anyway, right, So
either you crash or you come eleventh, it's the same outcome, really,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (10:53):
That is the positive way we should be looking at
these things, right. That is one of the many things
I've always admired about is finding the positives.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Speaking of your Hurricanes did it at the weekend. It
might have taken them ahead high tackle, but they did.

Speaker 6 (11:10):
We can put that off to one side. Surely is
a little bit of you know, just something that happened
along the way. You're right, it was missed by the ref.
Well they have kicked the penalty of the Highlanders they might have.
Who knows, they probably could have won the game with
that drop goal at the end. But yeah, for Hurricanes fans,
it was a much more palatable weekend.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
And the Crusaders are their back.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
Well they could be.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
They could well be with the son on their backs
down in christ Church when that Saturday fifty five points
nine tries, macka Springer with five, severies with three. Well,
this time last year they were zero and five. Now
they've won four and only lost one of their first
five this season. So are they back well they I
guess that remains to be seen, but it's certainly a

(11:50):
heck of a lot better than twenty twenty four for
fans of the Crusaders.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Fascinating stuff, Jason, thank you very much for that. Jason Pine,
Sports talk host to be with you tonight seven o'clock
on News Talks MB twenty one minutes after four. Now
the Aussies are changing their banknotes. They're having a huge
debate about what they should put on the new banknotes
because they've decided to take the king off the banknotes.
The question is who the hell uses banknotes these days? Anyway,
we'll talk to our Ossie Corry after the news at half.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Pass informed inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on
hither dupericy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get
connected news Talk sa'd be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Welcome to your Monday afternoon, twenty four minutes after four.
Now do you think if you run an Airbnb out
of your house that you should have to pay commercial
rates at the moment? Presumably if you're particularly if you're
in Wellington, you'll be paying residential rates on that property.
But if you're earning regular income from airbmbing that short

(12:48):
term leasing that property, should you have to pay rates?
As a woman Julie Wilson who's really hit the roof
in Wellington, she owns an airbit. In fact, she owns
a couple two small airbnbs. She's on the show after five.
So I want to ask a bunch of questions, including
how small are they all on one property? Are they separate?
She earns she reckons after expenses eighteen grand a year

(13:11):
off one of them and twenty four grand a year
off the other. So not a bad little money spinner.
Whether that includes your cleaning or whether she does it herself.
We'll have to ask her all about her business. So
Julie's on the show after five o'clock. The council says
she should have to pay commercial rates, which are three
point seven times more expensive. She's saying, no, I don't.

(13:32):
If you think about it, if I was to rent
my house out, it will airbnb my house out and
not live there. It would be the same number of
people using the roads and the pipes and everything that
would come with that. But if you're cramming twenty people
onto one property and using the council resources, then I
can maybe see an argument for it. Nine two nine

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two is numbers text. She's on the show after five
twenty five after four now Rayenbridge. I found this an
interesting number because everyone said a few years ago, oh,
the Nissan leaf, and I you know this is going
to be the car of the future, and I took
it one look at it and I said, if that
is the car of the future, I want no part
of the future. Hideous thinks anyway, So everyone said these

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tiny little evs, you know, you preus your little Honda
jazz E version, that these would be the future of cars.
And you said, well, around the world really, and some
really interesting numbers have come out today. Fifty four percent
of cars on the road in twenty twenty four are SUVs.

(14:38):
That number has gone up three percent on last year,
five percent on the year before that, and ninety five
percent of them are fossil fuel burning. No one really,
I mean, people say they care about climate change, but
they don't really when it comes down to it. When
it comes down to it, and they make their own
little decisions at home. They don't bother recycling and they

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don't bother with an EV either. It's just the truth,
isn't it. N nineteen is the number to text plus.
People need big cars, You've got kids, you've got a dog,
you've got places to be, can't fit in a shopping cart?
Can you get those numbers out? Today? More than half
of us all around the world on an sub twenty

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seven after four, we're off to Australia.

Speaker 7 (15:22):
Next where.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
On the iHeart app and in your car on your
drive home it's Ryan Bridge on Hither duplessy Alan drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
They'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Nice good after that twenty five away from five news tools.
It'd be great to have your company, Ryan. We're old pensioners.
We've just upsided from a Toyota Corolla to a seven
seat of four wheel driveniss and extrail. Congratulations and petrol,

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she says, love it much more room for my dodgy knee.
That is a consideration when you get to a certain age,
isn't it your knees? How low the car is to
the ground. A lot of people get SUVs just because
they're easier to step into once you get to a
certain age. Tracy says, Hi, Tracy, thanks for texting him. Ryan.
It's basically a choice between a little car or an

(16:37):
suv if you're buying a modern car these days. I
don't think you can buy station wagons really at all. Well,
you definitely can buy station wagons. I have a station wagon,
but maybe you just mean the range isn't what it
was as well as the kids and the pets. A
lot of New Zealanders are on the larger size.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I E.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
We are ob so we Isn't that sad? We all
be driving around in vans soon, Tracy, thank you. Twenty
five minutes away from.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Five, it's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Fifty Nine people a club goers have died in a
pyrotechnic nightclub fire in North Macedonia. This woman got out,
but his sister didn't.

Speaker 8 (17:17):
There was only one exit. Then everyone started pushing each other,
so I headed for the exit. I don't know how,
but I ended up on the ground. I couldn't get up,
and at that moment people started stomping on me. I
don't know how, but somehow I managed to get out.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Thank goodness, some good news out of the International Space
Station Houstin.

Speaker 9 (17:36):
Thank you for tuning in this early morning. It was
a wonderful day. Great to see our friends arrived.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
A SpaceX crew cap sut safely docking with the station.
The two stranded astronauts will be able to go home,
hopefully shortly after being stuck up there for about eight months.
Very very happy to see the new crew turn up indeed,
and finally this afternoon. You might remember a couple of

(18:04):
months ago, maybe it was a couple of weeks ago actually,
that we told you about this Michigan judge their plan
to force Shoplister's lot shoplifters to wash the cars as
part of their sentence. Well, that's been shut down. The
judge was going to get the shoplifters to return to
the walmart that they had stolen from and wash cars
in the car park in order to repay their debt

(18:25):
to society. Unfortunately, the local chief judge has vetoed the idea,
saying the punishment quote deviates from the usual and accepted methods.
The shoplifters will just have to do standard community service instead.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Olli Peters was with US six PR per Live presenter Oli.
Good afternoon, Good evening, Good afternoon, Ryan. Hey, this cyclone
Alfred has blown a pretty big hole in the federal budget.

Speaker 9 (18:57):
What do you know, Yeah, one point two billion dollars.

Speaker 10 (19:00):
The Treasurer Jim Chalmers is forecasting is he has to
hand down the budget next week. He wasn't going to
be doing this Sinceil Alfred hit and we would be
going towards a federal election. But they've had to do
a lot of work in the meantime to get this
budget up and ready for next Tuesday. But what is
still a blowing that hole in the budget is the

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fact that there are still eligible one off payments for
a thousand dollars per adults are four hundred dollars per
child for those people who live in the flood affected
areas after Alfred, and the Treasure is saying that a
lot of money also has.

Speaker 9 (19:33):
To be put towards rebuilding these communities.

Speaker 10 (19:34):
So we'll see what he hands down next Tuesday. Looks
like he's softening us all up for perhaps not the
greatest set of numbers or books that he wanted to
reveal to the Australian public before going to that federal election.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Now, good luck to you if this happens. But the Greens,
if they hold the balance of power, will be considering
at least introducing a four day work week for a.

Speaker 9 (19:56):
Set jam exactly.

Speaker 10 (19:58):
And they think that this, I mean some trials done
I believe in the UK and Germany, Spain and Canada,
and they think it works well so they're not saying
that you need to work. Let's say you have a
forty hour work week. They're not saying that you work
those forty hours in four days. No, no, no, you
work only thirty two hours in the four days and
you'll just be more productive because Australians haven't had a

(20:19):
pay rise.

Speaker 9 (20:19):
According to the Greens. And how's this they want to establish.

Speaker 10 (20:23):
A national Institute for the four day work week at
a cost of ten million dollars per year. I don't
know what they would do, Ryan, apart from say, hey,
you now work four days a week.

Speaker 9 (20:34):
What a job that would be? And I wonder if
you'd still have to turn up.

Speaker 10 (20:36):
Four days a week for that particular job, Like why
would you need the red tape of a national institute
for the four day work week? But the thing is
everything the Greens say at the moment we have to
take seriously in this country because another poll out today
highlights the fact that we are looking at as though
we're heading towards minority government with at the Anthony Alberanezi
La government return to office. The poles are changing rapidly,

(20:59):
to be honest, Ryan, but the Greens themselves are also
looking like they're going to go backwards in the number
of seats, but they might hold the balance of power,
so they're going to throw everything at this at the moment,
and every policy needs to be properly scrutinized because Adam
Bank could have been the Deputy Prime Minister and therefore
anything that Green says could it not becoming national policy?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Goodness me, do you have a date yet still, Mark.

Speaker 9 (21:19):
No, we don't. It has to be before May seventeen.

Speaker 10 (21:21):
I'd the PM here on my show last week in
the studios, and I reckon, he's going full term because
we've got we've got Magic Crown in the Rugby League,
we've got gather Aud in the AFL. You don't want
to interrupt that stuff for a federal election, right, and
we've got Easter, So May seventeen, I reckon, all.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Right, we'll put it in a pencil in the calendar. Ollie, Hey,
this wom bat, this influenzer who grabbed the wombat was
going to go on the project apparently, but that's all
fallen through. What's happened here?

Speaker 10 (21:48):
Yeah, Well, Sam Jones pulled out at the last minute
yesterday because she's drawn a lot of criticism for stealing
that baby warm back from its mother, but she said
on her Instagram account over the weekend she only picked
up the animal because she was afraid it would be
hit by a car.

Speaker 9 (22:01):
This is what she's had to say.

Speaker 11 (22:02):
What I did was an incredible mistake and there hasn't
been a moment I haven't regretted it. However, there's something
much bigger at play here and it would be a
disservice to ignoance. If this situation has proven anything, it's
proven that Australians care deeply about their wildlife, and that
is something I intensely admire.

Speaker 12 (22:23):
Every year.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
However, the Australian government issues.

Speaker 11 (22:26):
Permits for the killing of thousands and thousands of wombats
across Australia, along with millions of kangaroos.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
She's on team one bat.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Now come off, God, oh dear, do they presumably that's
that's peace control? Almost as the forty.

Speaker 9 (22:45):
Much exactly right.

Speaker 10 (22:47):
Look, you know what, though, I will say to her defense,
like to carry on in this country over the last
couple of weeks actually should have been reported.

Speaker 9 (22:53):
We shouldn't have a here like you know, if we
turn the you know, not turn a blind eye.

Speaker 10 (22:57):
But you know the other instances in this country of
things that are happening right in terms of rapes and
murders and criminals, and this is obviously the issue which
is really raised the eye of about politicians like come on.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Only you've been too serious. Honestly, it's a crazy woman
with a wam with a wombat that's far more interesting
to talk about.

Speaker 10 (23:16):
Well, and she's got a fifteen minutes of fame plus
plus right, Imagine all the DM she's getting from all
the product endorsements as an influencer.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
That's what we got to do. Ryan should be selling
fur coats soon. Hey oly thank Olli Peterston six PR
PERS Life presenter out of Australia. It's eighteen minutes away
from five o'clock. David Seymour was on the show after
five point thirty. This whole thing about honestly, so David Seymour.
There's a post by at rbity YTT where he implies

(23:46):
I don't know that David Seymour is the grass and
he's going to get be weed whacked. Clearly it was
a joke, wasn't it. I mean clearly it was a joke.
Same when David Seymour joked about, you know, using five
works on the Ministry of Pacific. People's it's a joke.
Don't people know everything's a joke. Can't we all just

(24:06):
calm down? Even David Seymour has got his knickers in
a twist, so he's on the show after five thirty two,
try and untangle them.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I suppose politics with Centric Crey to check your customers
and get payment certainty, accord it to.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Five years talks. There'd be lots of texts coming in
about the David sea mourrissue. We will deal with that
after five thirty. Right now, Barry's here, Hey, Barry, get
right now. This free trade deal with India, it's not
a deal yet, it's a discussion and the discussion hasn't
started yet. But we've announced discussions will start.

Speaker 13 (24:35):
Yes, And.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
It was obviously pre rehearsed totally right down to the
Indians within an hour of Chris Lucksen's plane landing in
India announcing that negotiations will begin on a comprehensive free
trade agreement and that'll never come to be. I can
tell you that now. I mean, I've been to India

(24:59):
with so many Prime minists I've been with David Longie,
I've been with Helen Clark, I've been with John Key.
They all talked about trade agreements, but nothing came of them.
And I was going back to have a look at
what John Key was saying at the end of the
trip that he did there in two thousand and eleven,

(25:20):
and it was a statement that made at the end
they said the two prime ministers that's of New Zealand
and India reiterated the commitment to an early conclusion of
the three trade agreement negotiations, noting that the ongoing negotiations
were proceeding well. So they talked then about you know,
it was imminent, the ink was about to dry on

(25:43):
the paper and we would have been away laughing. Well,
the only one's laughing, of course, of the Indians, because
they won't do any trade agreement that involves certainly red
meat when it comes to cattle, because they respect their
cows in India to the extent that they are wandering
all over the place and causing traffic great problems. So

(26:06):
I know you're going to have Nathan guy on. I've
been on trade missions with Nathan in the past as well,
and he's from the red meat sector. Now he will
no doubt talk about sheep meat, but they won't be
talking about dairy.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
By that time we went with Nathan Guy and had
we stopped off on was it Christmas Islands? Yes, indeed,
And remember we all got terribly sick on the plane.
Do you remember that well? I think many eight subway
I brought it on the plane.

Speaker 7 (26:34):
Was a fit of generosity to my colleague.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
He subway in Mexico. You don't buy Western food in Mexico.
And they had to quarantine one of the toilets. That
was that.

Speaker 7 (26:45):
And I remember Nathan Guy were at Christmas Island looking
at the statues and I said, Nathan, your family has
obviously been here before. Now I have a straight face,
do a straight face. I'm going to take a photo.
I showed it to our producer law today and I
pulled back from the face of the east Ardent statue.
It was Nathan Guy to a team.

Speaker 14 (27:07):
It was yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
So it was good fun apart from when you made
e un sick.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Very well, I know anyway, and total generosity. But look
the free trade agreement with India. When I think about
David Longee now in the mid eighties. In nineteen eighty five,
the year after they were voted into offers rubbed you.
Gandhy it might have been eighty six, came here, came

(27:33):
to New Zealand and he was a great mate of
David Longie's.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
They signed a free trade agreement you're kidningmade.

Speaker 15 (27:40):
Where is it now?

Speaker 3 (27:41):
What's happened to it? I don't know.

Speaker 7 (27:43):
It's obviously got lost in the annals of history somewhere.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
But yeah, so well, well let's hope Luxon can can
only do what Gandhi couldn't.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
Well, you know, I think look any growing of trade
with India's importance to It's a massive country, like we
said last week.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Now, so it's worth going there. Peters is in Washington,
d C. It is a big test of his diplomatic
skill set, which is considerable.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
Yeah, well, you know when you consider it's almost twenty
years to the day that twins and Peters became Foreign Minister,
and that was under Helen Clark. So he's had plenty
of experience strutting the stage. But he's going to use
or need all those diplomatic skills in Washington this week
because I'm sure there will be meetings that he does
go to where he would like to probably say a

(28:31):
bit more that he knows he's got to keep mum
and keep on side with the Americans. And like tonight
in Washington, I've had dinner at the High Commissioner's resident, oh, sorry,
the Ambassador's residence, Rosemary Banks. Now she was brought out
of retirement to become our ambassador there because she had

(28:53):
been our ambassador there when Donald Trump was in last time.
And the head of Foreigner has also arrived in the country,
so they're really seeing this series of meetings that piece
of will begin tomorrow as being extraordinarily important. He doesn't
meet Rubio, the Secretary of State until Wednesday. In the meantime,

(29:16):
he's having some fairly high powered meetings. And interestingly, where
he went to dinner just a few hours ago, the
residents in Washington is right next door to the American
Vice President's residence, so jd. Vance is just over the
fence in Washington.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And JD.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
Vance was at a concert in Washington again last night
in the capital city, and he was booed round that
by people in the audience.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Tiny little bit of the Vice President's house is a
tiny little I think it's a former navyman's compared to Ford. Yes, exactly,
very quickly. David soon was on the show after five.

Speaker 7 (29:59):
Well it should be very quick as well.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Right, it doesn't need to be long, does it. I mean,
it's just one of those little things between these two,
isn't it.

Speaker 16 (30:05):
Well it is.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
And you remember a while ago, I think it was
last year or something, or a couple of years ago,
Rowery White Tea was threatening to put some poisonous seed
and a David Seymour glass in Parliament. And of course
it is lighthearted and you know, I mean you can
play the race thing. And I mean the thing that

(30:28):
disturbed me most about the post that was made on
Instagram was the way that Rawori White Tea.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Cuts us lawns.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
He had a weed easy, for God's sake cutting lawns
on you know, I mean it's going to take him
for bloody ever to cut his lawns with a weed
in to get out and get a mower like everybody else.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Not very efficient. Was exactly very Soper, Thank you very
much for that. Eight minutes away from five News Talks,
there'd been Nichola Willis here after six o'clock as well
David Seymour after five point thirty and after the News
at five. We're looking at the story of the day
to day, which is, of course is free trade deal
with India.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Digging into the issues that affect you. The Mike Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 17 (31:06):
What is our side of the story, And I mean,
how far down the track of our relationship do you
go in one single meeting with a guy like Rubio.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Well, with a go like.

Speaker 18 (31:13):
Rubio, we've gover there well prepared because we've had probably
now over a year getting ready well before US selections
in November.

Speaker 17 (31:22):
Crystal the Bell was speaking at the investment conference on Friday,
and he's got experience with Trump.

Speaker 15 (31:26):
Of course he.

Speaker 17 (31:27):
Said keep your head down, not used personally, but New
Zealand keep your head down. Back tomorrow at six am
the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Maybe's Real Estate News Talk zebby.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
It's coming up to five minutes away from five on
News Talk ZBB to Need University students. I was reading
about them just in the last couple of minutes. Great
to see the young ones out having a good time.
So they've been celebrating Saint Patrick's Day. They've had fireworks,
they've had binge drinking, and they've had couch fires all
over the weekend. Saturday morning, apparently they play a game

(32:02):
called six before six, which is six beers before six am.
And initially I thought that's easy, come on, but it's
from when you wake up, so they must wake up
at like five am. You're gonna have six beers before
six am, or you can do nine before nine. I
think it's nine wines before nine if you want to

(32:23):
do it that way, or agon before noon. Either way,
you're having a great time, aren't you. Anyway, I was
pleased to see this because I think of young people
now is sitting on their own in the corner of
a room with an iPad or a phone, rocking, you know,
debating internally which gender they are. You know, That's how
I picture young people these days, all depressed and horribly angry.

(32:48):
They're out there drinking, lighting couches on fire, running around
the street and having fun like the good old days.
So I'm pleased. News Talk z B it is coming
up to five o'clock. Nathan Guy on an FDA with
the Indians next.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yea yea Love, questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show

(33:43):
You Trust for the full picture.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Brian Bridge on hither do for Sea?

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Alan drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected news
talks at B.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Seven after five years talks did people do rates on yu?
Ear BnB? In just a second? Right now? The Prime
Minister's trip to India off to a flying art today
free trade deal negotiations are officially underway. Lux And is
set to meet with Nerandramodi later today. Export industries are
holding their breath. They're very hopeful about this, but is
it going to be comprehensive? Should we even get our

(34:13):
hopes up export industries? Sorry, our Meat Industry Association chair,
former Primary Industries Minister Nathan Guys with me from Delhi
minister a former minister. Good evening, Oh, good evening, Ryan,
how are you? Yeah? Good? Thanks, good to have you
back on the show. When you were last doing negotiations
or you were you were involved in those negotiations with

(34:34):
the Indians under the Key government was what was it?
Was it just dairy that was the sticking point? What
were the issues?

Speaker 19 (34:43):
Our dere's always been in a little bit problematic up here.
But this is a comprehensive agreement that the negotiation that started.
So the word comprehensive is critical. Australia got a side
deal a few years ago, but we're hoping that we
can get something across the line. For Derry, I guess

(35:03):
the challenge will be to do with Indians who want
to come down to our fantastic country and how the
government chooses to manage that. But if I put my
red meat hat on, in particular in the sheep market, Ryan,
this is a significant day for our sheep farmers and
our processes because we're at the start line. Yes, we've
been here before, but it feels different. We've got a

(35:25):
massive delegation up here about eighty and the business delegation,
and that's significant. The Prime Minister has got some great
FaceTime with Prime Minister Modi, so the feeling is different.
And of course right now the world is crazy, so
we need to keep diversifying and looking at new market opportunities.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Is that what's making it different? You know, the Trump
the way the rest of the world is behaving right now.
Do you think that might actually help our chances? Is
that what's contributing to that different feeling.

Speaker 19 (36:00):
I don't think it is. And India is also negotiating
with EU, UK and US so there's a lot going
on in this space. We're smaller, you know, if you
look at what's happening up here with sheep meat at
the moment, we're facing a thirty percent tariff and that's
a massive headwind. So there's not a lot going on here.
There's one company, Quality and Z who's been pushing against

(36:23):
strong headwinds in this market with New Zealand cricketers helping
them to get access. So that's quite a success story,
but certainly at low levels. So it just feels different
because a we hear big business delegation. Todd McLay has
been working tirelessly on this. I think he's up to
about a seventh visit.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
He had a.

Speaker 19 (36:44):
Fantastic meeting yesterday with his equivalent, Minister Gal So it
feels like we've got momentum. Ryan, we're at the start line.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Very good, exciting. Yeah, good luck with that. Nathan guy
who's the Meat Industry Association share of course, former Minister
of Primary Industries had done a few trips himself. They
need to give McLay an Indian passport at this point.
He's done that much travel between New Zealand and there
over the last couple of months. Ten minutes after five
News Talk set b Brian. Wellington councils on the hunt

(37:15):
for more cash because obviously they bug of their books
and they need revenue. It's got owners of airbnb properties
in sight. Currently anyone who runs an airbnb pays residential rates,
but the council is considering whether to charge them commercial
rates instead. Now that is three point seven times the bill.
This would mean rates for those properties could treble. Airbnb

(37:38):
hosts are worried they'll soon be without a business and
one example something this woman says she would be out
of business. Judy Wilson owns an Airbnb. She's also the
Airbnb Volunteer Community leader for Wellington.

Speaker 15 (37:50):
Hi, Julie Suorder, how are you?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah? Good? Thank you, thanks for coming on the show.
How many for most people do they airbnb their own
house and do they are they therefore not living there
when the airbnb is staying.

Speaker 16 (38:05):
Most actually airbnb their houses when they're away, so it's
primarily their family home and if they go on holiday
or if they're away, they'll airbnb their space. We also
have some hosts that works. They work out of Wellington
a few days a week or work in Wellington either way,
and they've got a home in Wellington and they will

(38:26):
rent out in Airbnb for that portion of the time
when they're away.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Right, what's your rate? What would your rates bill changed
to if this went ahead?

Speaker 16 (38:35):
Oh, it's something around the forty thousand dollar mark. So
it would just mean we wouldn't it would you know,
it's well over what would even earn anything like that.
So myself and many hosts like me would just stop hosting.
We had just incorporate the Airbnb that's in the bow
of our house back into being our house, which I

(38:56):
mean it's used by my family when it's not being
used by an Airbnb, So that would kind of be
lost to the Wellington market. You know, all that money
that comes in from you know, having hosts, sorry, guests
come and stay with us.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Right, what's your what's your rates at the moment?

Speaker 16 (39:15):
Just over eleven thousand, right, So I mean because they've
gone up, they've gone up, Wellington has gone up so
much recently, we've actually had more hosts coming on just
to be able to pay you know, pay their rates.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Yeah, and potentially get stung by this. Okay, So here's
the argument. If you're what you're doing is a commercial
activity and you're you know, presumably your guests would be
using the roads and using the sewage and using the pipes,
et cetera. That the councils so justify why it shouldn't.

Speaker 16 (39:46):
Be Well, they're not using it for any more than
what a normal house is intended. It's not like we're
you know, squeezing fifteen people into a two bedroom. It
would the same amount, you know. I think they keep
talking about the goal is to slice the rates pie fairly,
but charging sort of small part time hosts for commercial

(40:08):
rates is not really fair. Its success us, like many
of us kind of rate rent occasionally, not as a
full time business. But they're going to be treating us
the same as a hotel with hundreds of rooms kind
of overkills.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I think it's I think it's what they might call
extortion actually, Julie.

Speaker 16 (40:26):
Yeah, and you know Wellington we need airbnbs like we
need them, like this weekend we had Homegrown and we
had the week fix triathlon. Hotels just won't meet the demand.
So there's certain times packs for world yeah, you know,
World of Wearable Arts, rugby games.

Speaker 15 (40:45):
But I also look, I've.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Got family in Wellington. I know exactly what you're talking about.
You need you don't need somewhere else, You don't need options. Julie,
what do you think just because I've got you on
the line and you're from Wellington, what do you think
is going to happen with Is anyone going to vote
for Tori Finales?

Speaker 16 (40:58):
She gone, well, I think she's probably gone.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah. Okay, good to know, Good to check him on
the pulse. Julie, thank you for that. Take care, good
luck with your fight. Julie Wilson, Airbnb owner. If the
council gets its way, their rates would go from about
eleven thousand to forty thousand a year. Fourteen minutes after
five News talk ZIB. Remember the Warriors game and remember

(41:21):
the deputy coach that got himself into trouble grabbing the throat,
allegedly grabbing the throat of a journalist. Well, his punishment
has been handed down. We'll tell you what it is
next News Talk zb It is seventeen minutes after five
loads of texts coming in on Airbnb's Ryan. The airbnb
owners shouldn't have to pay anything other than residential if

(41:44):
they are releasing out or short term renting. The same
number of beds in their house that they would otherwise occupy.
I tend to agree with that position. In terms of
the students down in a University of Otago who were
burning the couches and drinking the booze. Ryan, are my
two grandkids who are at Canterbury represented. So Ryan, my

(42:05):
two grandkids who are at Canterbury have gone down and
joined the two grandkids at Dunedin. Great. They are having
such a good time. Everything is just so negative at
the moment. What a lovely grandmother, Janed, go and burn
the couches, kids, I've got no problems. Eighteen after five
grayam Bridge. The NRL has issued a breach notice.

Speaker 15 (42:26):
Sorry.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
The NRL has issued a breach notice to Warriors assistant
coach Richard Agar after an altercation with a journalist during
the first NRL round in Las Vegas. You'll remember this.
It was in the news. The Big League podcast host
Nathan Limmers with us, good afternoon, Hey Ryan, how are
you good? Thank you? So he grabbed him by the throat,
didn't he Yeah?

Speaker 20 (42:45):
So basically at halftime between the Warriors and the Raiders,
Richard Ago and the other coaches were descending down to
see the place from the coach's box, and it's alleged
that Richard Agar got into a verbal altercation with an
Australian journalist from the Guardian which resulted in him grabbing
him by the throat and pushing him. So the NRAL
have launched an investigation into this. The Warriors of Coach

(43:08):
and CEO both backed Agar after this sort of came out,
and so they've issued this breach notice suspending him for
three games ten thousand dollars fine, and he has to
undergo I guess some education of some sort of education
course around this sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Not grabbing throat. Not grabbing throats would be the lesson
that he needs to learn. So this has come from
the NRL because I found it interesting that Warrior said
we're going to do our own investigation. What does that
mean nothing?

Speaker 20 (43:38):
Well, I mean I guess that means they'll they talk
to Agar and get his side of the storm.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
They didn't do anything, did they.

Speaker 20 (43:44):
Well we don't know exactly what has gone on behind
the scenes, but the effectively what this band means is
the suspension means that he can't perform assistant coaching duties
on match days, so we can still be with the
team during the week, and he can't travel to the
team for their array games within this three game period.
So there are two away games coming up against this
Tigers and the Storm, he won't be able to make

(44:05):
the trip over right.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
What's the Warrior saying about it? You've checked them?

Speaker 20 (44:09):
Yeah, So I've just reached out to the Warriors and
have just got back to me saying that they have
no response to this breach. Notice, they have five days
to respond. They're not going to respond, which effectively means
they accept it and they're not going to appeal it.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Okay, interesting, Thanks so much for that, Nathan. Good to
see Nathan them. Who's with the Big Lead podcast here
at news Talks AB It has just gone twenty minutes
after five. Ryan. The airbnb we're talking about here, the
story is bizarre driven by greed just pay or get
out regards. Dennis, What do you mean, Dennis? Are you
saying that they should pay the higher rates? People don't

(44:43):
rent necessarily rent their Airbnb's out just because they're agreed there.
It might just be they want to try and cover
their exorbitant rates that they've got in the first place,
or you know, I don't know, make enough money to
go on a holiday once a year. It doesn't mean
you're a greedy person just because you rent out your
house for any does it? Twenty after five News Talks,
said be David Seymour here after the news at five

(45:05):
point thirty, him and Larwity whyett at it again.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
It's Ryan Bridge on hither Duplice Ellen drive with one
New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Let's get connected news Talks.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
They'd be twenty three minutes after five. Great to have
your company this evening. I'm getting just a little bit
sick and tired off the David Seymour Lbwity Whytetti show,
aren't you. It goes back and forth and back and
forth and back and forth, and each time it gets
sillier and sillier, and this time it is lwity Whytty
obviously joking. I don't think he's I don't think anybody

(45:39):
would watch that video and think I think Rahardy's serious
there he wants to go and chop David Seymour up
into tiny pieces like grass, you know, as he's as
he's weed whacking his lawn. I don't think anyone thinks that,
So why are we making a big deal out of it? Equally,
why did anyone make a big deal out of day

(46:00):
David Seymour saying he wanted to put fireworks under the
Ministry of Pacific Peoples or whatever. I mean, it's just dumb.
It's dumb on both sides. And I'm sorry, but David Seymour,
I was with you before when you said this is absurd.
Why they're making a big deal out of this? It
was just a joke that I made. Well, then why
are you making a big deal out of this? If

(46:23):
you each keep making big deals out of each other's nonsense,
then a bigger deal will be made every time. I
think we just can we not? We'll just see something
for what it is, no matter what side of politics
you're on, have a laugh and move on. Rayan Bridge
twenty four after five David Seymour on the show after
five point thirty, after the News at five thirty, so

(46:43):
we'll ask him lots more to come as well. After
six o'clock we're going to look at this building issue.
You know, everyone says it's too stuffy and hot inside
their homes because the government overinsulated. The regulations up the wazoos,
so now no one can breathe. Everyone's suffocating inside. Apparently
not so. The Building Research Association has some numbers. They'll

(47:06):
bring them to myself to fire. We've got Tim Wilson
and Mark Sainsbury on the huddle. They will debate the
airbnb business as she lots of your texts on that.
Got time for a couple here, Ryan Auckland. Council makes
me pay business rates for a one bedroom apartment I airbnb.
I use the apartment half the month for commuting for work,

(47:27):
and then I rented out when I'm not there no
allowance for my private use. It is extortion as the
person in the apartment utilizes the same services that I do,
says Dan Dan, I tend to agree with you. What
difference does it make to the council whether it's you
use flushing the toilet or whether it's Barbara staying from Wonaica.

(47:49):
It makes no difference to them, So that does annoy me.
I The only question I have is why did you
tell them? I mean, in all seriousness, I'm curious how
would the council know that it was Barbara from Wanaka's
stay in the night there and not you do they
come knocking.

Speaker 21 (48:08):
The probably look on Airbnb to be fair on that one, right,
I suppose people they well, you don't have an address
on Airbnb?

Speaker 3 (48:14):
That's the thing, Oh do you not? Only once you
make a booking will they tell you what the address is.
The rest is all a bit aloof So.

Speaker 21 (48:21):
What we're saying is what the Falkland Council wants to
crack down on this. What they need to do is
a sign an investigator to basically stay in every Airbnb
in the city and work out where.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
They are pretty much or they rely on the honesty
of good people like Dan Dan who's paying commercial I mean,
I'd hate to think what that would be. It's three
point seven times residential in Wellington. Mentionine what it would
be in Auckland. You're on news talks. There'd be great
to have your company. Nikola Willis after six, David Seymour.

Speaker 22 (48:50):
Next ill lucky to you even how much you are.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
According the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story, it's Ryan Bridge on hither duplessy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks
they'd be.

Speaker 9 (49:20):
Are you having to have value?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
They're away to.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
A little bit crab good evening. It is twenty five
away from sex news talks. They'd been Nichola willis here
after six o'clock news this evening right now, Ryan Airbnb,
we've been debating whether they should pay rates or not
after this letter was received by Welling Tony and whose
the airbnb's their placed. The permanent one next door drives

(49:49):
me crazy, says this texter, after five years of misbehavior.
Guests are much better. The constant comings and goings and unnerving,
including those necessary for the business. But the owner works
hard to make it a business and it's open to
other neighbors, staying in touch if needed. It's probably nimbiism
of me, but I'd rather a stable renter or owner

(50:11):
on my desk doorstep. It sounds like a very reasonable
response from you, because if you have a genuinely horrific
Airbnb next to your house, it can be an absolute nightmare.
You just don't get any sleep. I know that because
I've been I've been in one of the people in
the horrific Airbnb business kept the neighbors awake one night.

(50:31):
That yeah, probably not a good thing. I'll be going
to help that twenty four minutes away from.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Six Ryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Okay, David Seymour and Darby Y two TI, it's all
on again. He's with us now, David, good afternoon, good evening.

Speaker 13 (50:45):
Well, good evening, And actually it's not all on. One
person has made an objectionable comment. That's it. Okay, So
what's to imply that most parties are somehow guilty of
totally misleading?

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Okay, all right, well I'm sorry for misleading everybody. David,
what's what's what's your problem with this?

Speaker 13 (51:09):
Well, look, I just make the point that if you
go out on social media and say that you know
you're mowing your lawns and you think that you're going
to treat the lawns like David Seymour and they need
a good hiding, or any other political figure or any person,
I just think if we all know, if I was

(51:30):
to say that about another politician, I'm sure it'd be
leading the news for three or four nights. But the
sad reality is that we now have a political party
in New Zealand that is race based, that preaches violence.
This is not the first time that preaches racial supremacy,
and unfortunately we've all been giving them an easy pass

(51:53):
because we hold them to lower standards because the Maori.
And it's it's horrible to say all that, but I
don't know how else you've describe the situation.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Can you not just sit there and have a laugh
and think, oh, he's just having a joke, you know,
like you did with the Ministry Pacific people's I mean
I looked at that and I thought, he's just having
a joke. That's kind of funny. I don't think David
Seymour was a terrorist. Do you think they already white
white to he's a murderer. No, so let's just have
a laugh. Move on.

Speaker 13 (52:17):
Well, there's a bit of a plausibility question. If your
argument is that I was going to disinter a guy
from four hundred years ago who had a failed plots,
you know, there were many layers of irony in that,
and I disowned it as soon as I said it.
On the other hand, you know you've got someone who's saying, well,
I think a person should get a good hiding. That

(52:40):
actually is plausible. There's people out there that probably think
that they should attack people that they disagree with physically,
so that there is actually a big difference in plausibility.
One is so obviously ridiculous, so the other ones not.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Okay, all right, let's move on very quickly. I want
to ask you, David, sorry, Christopher Luxen was asked over
in India overnight about the coalition if they're willing to
do with Ukraine. I'm interested to know would you, as
the act party. I know that you have been the
party in particular has been big in supporting Ukraine, support
New Zealand troops being on the ground, and in any
way that they can be supportive to some sort of

(53:14):
peace resolution.

Speaker 13 (53:17):
Well, a couple of things. First of all, there actually
has to be a post conflict situation and then there
has to be a coalition at the moment. Neither of
those things are true. However, the New Zealand government has
been participating in discussions with a number of other militaries
twenty or thirty other militaries in Europe about what that

(53:38):
might look like. Once there's a proposition on the table,
then I think we as a government could start to
make a decision about what that looks like. I think,
on balance, you know, this is not the government policy.
We haven't discussed this, but I think New Zealand is
a country that cannot defend itself alone. We must rely

(53:59):
on to of security, defending ourselves in line with other
countries who share our values, and that of course means
that as we have in the past and two World
Wars and many other conflicts, it means that sometimes we
must join such coalitions. I just hate that there isn't
one yet, but that's been traditionally our stances as a country.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
David, thank you very much for your time, the party leader,
David C.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Twinning away from six the.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Find your one of a kind on the heart of tonight.
Tim Wilson from the Maximum Institute, Hey Tim.

Speaker 15 (54:35):
Hey Ryan, how's it going?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah? Good? Thank you? Mark Sainsbury's here broadcaster in Wellington.
Hey Mark, how you Ryan? Look, I've got a lot
of respect for David Seymour, but I just find it
a little exasperating when you're going tip the tattle on
something so stupid. Tim, What do you think? Yeah?

Speaker 23 (54:53):
I can you know I was I was sexually affecting
as you did your editorial. There is sort of like
a bit of a dysfunctional relationship between two party, my
and act.

Speaker 15 (55:01):
You sort of wonder who needs the other more I do.

Speaker 23 (55:03):
I do take David's point though, that it was quite
it was personal, and if something did happen to David Seymour,
I think we'd backtrack. The one thing that I want
to land on here is that I noticed that Waits
in his Instagram story he used an adjective beginning with
F that was misspelled, And I have to say, this
is probably why many charter schools, because people just aren't

(55:24):
spelling things properly.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I think it was misspelled on purpose, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Mark?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
What about you? What do you reckon earth to Mark?
Are you there? Mark? You've muted yourself with check bones?

Speaker 15 (55:43):
It always helps?

Speaker 3 (55:44):
There, you go, Yeah, he's canceled.

Speaker 15 (55:47):
He's canceled himself.

Speaker 24 (55:49):
No, my big problems have got a bony year, which
sort of when I first looked at this, I must
say I did sort of think, look, if someone.

Speaker 15 (55:57):
Else had said this or suggested that, people would be
up in arms.

Speaker 24 (55:59):
But I was really in disciplined your editorial, same as Tim,
because it did sort of clarify the thinking. I mean,
you look at it and you go, oh, look for
God's sake and they're talking about giving the grass a hiding,
like David Seymour, and we know that they don't mean that,
I mean, boy boy, instead of everyone's sort of so
trigger happy on anything. You can't say a thing without
it being so Look, I think, yeah, I think there's

(56:20):
a bit of sort of give and take.

Speaker 15 (56:22):
Was it the smartest thing to do?

Speaker 1 (56:24):
No?

Speaker 24 (56:25):
No, not necessarily, but yeah, I just think we're getting
all sort of wound up over something.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I can understand why. I can understand why though, because
David Seymour is always the target, right, so when he
says something, their immediate response is of David Seymour's a racist. Now,
I imagine that after a while that must get incredibly frustrating.
You'd start to feel down about it. And after a
while you probably do lose a bit of your sense

(56:52):
of humor too, and everything becomes quite reactive, you know, tim, Yeah, and.

Speaker 23 (56:57):
That's a Look, that's the danger with the whole extreme
and polarized. That's why polarization sort of mode that we're in.
And unfortunately MMP does tend to reward that, particularly for
you know, plus five percent parties. The way I'm going
to look at this is it's just two blokes who
don't know how to show affection. Showing affection.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
You should.

Speaker 15 (57:17):
You could form little support groups of them maybe, but.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Me and Ryan will do it.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
There's a lot of love and support for David Seyma
on the text machine. David is absolutely right Ryan, he
is absolutely spot on as always, so a lot of
people backing him and supporting him, which is good, good
for him. I suppose seventeen minutes away from six News
Talks he be Tim Wilson and Mark Sainsbury will get
into the big topics of today's uddle.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Next the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the
ones with local and global reach.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Tim Wilson and Mark Sansbury on the huddle tonight. Mark,
You're soon going to be the mayor of Wellington, so
you can decide on this. You can decide for us
about the ed BMB debarcle. This woman who might have
to pay commercial rates on an Airbnb at home, what
do you say, Oh.

Speaker 15 (58:06):
Look, it's just nuts.

Speaker 24 (58:07):
I mean you look, it's going to go to the
You know that they are going to have a look
at this, and that's one of the options that people
pay full commercial rates.

Speaker 15 (58:14):
But you know the rates in the city. You're just crazy.
I had some sympathy listening to.

Speaker 24 (58:20):
Your guest on before is at Duly because our rates
went up I think, you know, like from about six
to nine grand and then they drop the value of
our properties by twenty percent.

Speaker 15 (58:31):
So there's a lot of people that have to look
at sort of spreading it out.

Speaker 24 (58:35):
And the thing I don't get is if I buy
a house and then rent it out, you know, to
a bunch of students or whatever, is that a commercial enterprise.
I'm not paying commercial rates on that. If I have someone,
you know, if I get in a flatmate or a
border you're not paying commercial rates.

Speaker 15 (58:49):
But if you're doing you know, one of your rooms
for and that's where it's silly.

Speaker 24 (58:52):
If you're only doing a couple of rooms for Airbnb
or just doing it occasionally, it just makes them do
an absolute nonsense. So a lot of sympathy, a lot
a lot of sympathy for Emma read she did a
found out if you saw the video, she did a
fantastic video to the council with lots of props I think,
which is always useful.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, I saw that because you make a good point
about renters. This is this just REGs because there's not
extra any extra drain on resources for the council. This
is just they need some more money, so they're going
into fishing.

Speaker 15 (59:25):
Yeah, it seems like that. And you sort of think
the with airbnb.

Speaker 23 (59:28):
I mean, if it's if it's a commercial I understand
commercial building. Oh okay, so they use the toilet a
lot more, use the shower a lot more, whatever it
is the infrastructure. But airbnbs aren't always occupied, so it
seems manifestly unfair to increase, you know, increase the rates
by four times because you're operating in airbnb, so you know,

(59:49):
and look at if it's a business. If you do
a home office, you get a tax rebate. You say, oh,
this is a business area, and the tax goes back.
So it just seems upside down.

Speaker 24 (59:58):
See, there's big problems, right I'm sane Queenstown where a
lot of people converted their places to airb and b's
and it cut out the available rentals for people working
there and all that sort of cause major issues. And
you can see them having they have a look at that.
This is this is this is a different scenario. It's
not the same sort of numbers in Wellington or same
proportion of properties converting.

Speaker 15 (01:00:18):
To AIRB and B.

Speaker 24 (01:00:18):
So yeah, it does look like that they're desperate for
Doe and they're gonna they're going to screw it out
of anyone they can find.

Speaker 15 (01:00:26):
There you go vote vote for saying so.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Run it's going to say, can you please confirm that
that will be item number one on your campaign? Hey,
people are deciding against going on holiday in the United
States because of Donald Trump. Apparently Apparently people saying they'll
leave the country because you know, in terms of emigrate

(01:00:51):
because they are sick of them. But would you avoid
going on a holiday? If anything, it would make things
more interesting? I would have thought, tim.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Yeah, well exactly.

Speaker 23 (01:01:01):
And if they're going because they think Trump's unaccepted, or
where are they going to go? I mean, I hear
Russia is nice at this time of year, the Kimchi
and North Korea is quite good. And they're saying they're saying,
actually that the Chinese visitors is down. So wait, so
they're coming from a country that has concentration camps for
wigas and they're assuing America because of Donald Trump.

Speaker 15 (01:01:20):
Oh boy, go and check your compass.

Speaker 24 (01:01:23):
Well, the Germans have got a bit of a different
view in it because there's a couple of German terrorists
were detained after trying to enter the United States legally
and they were detained for weeks and it's caused a
big stink in Europe. So and a lot of Germans
are now reconsidering what to do. Would it stop me
from going on holiday and doing something in the Star?

(01:01:45):
I mean, I love going to the States. I think
the States so it's a bit like India, you know,
you go to a different state every time, it's like
visiting a different country. But look, they had this when
George w got in. There were people saying, you know,
in the States, same thing, We're going to leave.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
Here and going to come back for four years and
all that sort of stuff never happened, never happened like
everyone sort of thought was going to And I think
it's just although the numbers are seen to be showing
that people are that are crying off going there, but
mainly from people who feel as.

Speaker 15 (01:02:13):
Though they could be targeted.

Speaker 24 (01:02:14):
And with this whole sort of immigration sweeps, like these
poor whole German tourists, you wouldn't want to get caught
up in it.

Speaker 15 (01:02:20):
But would that stop me?

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
No, no, since you were the US correspond In fact,
were both of you US correspondents.

Speaker 15 (01:02:29):
I was the europe one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Ah, that's right. It's interesting. I was thinking about the
United States. Why don't they just not be the United States?
They get so divided to be better on this, they
get so divided, why not just break up? I mean,
for goodness sake, misery.

Speaker 23 (01:02:46):
There is actually a guy called political thinker called Samuel
Huntington that says that this is the way that America
stops political decay, the sort of there's a productive friction
in this disunity and you know the whole Oh, you know,
all the polarization is terrible. I don't know if Americans
always think it's a terrible thing. I think they've got

(01:03:06):
a different disposition to us down here in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
It's interesting because by now, I mean if they were
if they were a married couple, it'd be that bad
for the children. Someone would be asking for a divorce.

Speaker 23 (01:03:18):
You know what I mean, no nonsense, but have eighteen children.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
Friction producers love Brian, Oh god.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Tim thank you. Timinson with the maximums deject and Mark
Sainsbury broadcast out of Wellington for US tonight, nine minutes
away from six year on News Talks, he'd be now
the recession. Don't worry, we won't be in one, hopefully
if the economists aren't to be believed. But we've got
a GDP figure coming out on Thursday. RB and z's
expecting point three. A and z's expecting point four. Westpac

(01:03:49):
expecting point five, although they reckon'll actually be more like zero.
So there's this weird disconnect between what wes PAC believes
the number will be and what will be announced on
Thursday and what the number actually will be. You might
notice the last time we got a number it was
months later revised down and then down again. So how

(01:04:11):
accurate will the number be on Thursday? A question for
Nikola Willis who's here after six?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
News Talks HERB. It is five away from six now.
Also for Nicola Willis is coming up after the news
at six here on News Talks HEIRB The services sector
index fell today. This is for February. It's the B
and Z businesses out on Performance Services Index down one
point three points to forty nine point one. Positive territory
is anything above fifty, So that's not good for us. Now. Importantly,

(01:04:47):
two thirds of our economy, including all of our tourism,
all of our retail, and all of our hospitality are
measured in this index. So for us to finally get
back to a positive number only to then dip to
a negative again is not a good Nicola willis on
that after.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
Six Bryan Bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
The submarine cable that we have. Did you know we
have a cable that goes for our telecommunications that goes
between here Australia Sydney basically, then it goes up through
the Pacific and all the way across the Pacific to
the western coast of the United States. Four thousand kilometers
of this giant undersea cable are going to be lit

(01:05:27):
up with the lasers to try and help detect any
tsunami or earthquake movement under the ocean. It's pretty incredible stuff.
What's going to happen so masses streets of it four
thousand kilometers and any when they shine this laser through
the I don't know exactly how I'm being honest with you.

(01:05:47):
I'm going to pretend I know, but they fire a
laser through the cable and they are able to measure
if there's any movement, and that movement might indicate either
an earthquake or a tsunami. And what I can tell
you it is earthquakes and tsunamis. I'm bad things, and
the more we know about them, the bitter off will be.
He's talksy beat Nichola Willis, she knows a thing or

(01:06:11):
two about finances with us. After six That.

Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
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We could break it in if you know what I mean,
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Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
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If you know what I mean, push some, we do
brig it in. If you know what I mean, push some,
we do brig it in.

Speaker 22 (01:06:54):
If you know what I mean, push some miles on it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
It has just gone seven minutes up and six year
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Business Our Shane Soli. We'll look at changes that Chinese
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We've got new research on insulation, how warm it makes
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us right now, Nickola, what this is the finance minister, Minister,
good evening, Good evening, Ron What do you make of

(01:07:34):
the services sector? This is down again after what it's
down after going up. We thought we were getting a
bit of relief there. It was positive territory. Now it's
down again and what do you think that says about
our prospects for growth?

Speaker 12 (01:07:47):
Well, as you say, it was expanding the months before
and then has come back a little bit. And I
think this is just what happens during a recovery. Things
do bounce around a little bit. What you want to
see is a trend of things getting better. So you've
got a look month to month and I hope that
it will be expanding in the next month. It's good
to see manufacturing was up again and that is expanding again.
That's really positive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
There's been a lot of forecasts about global growth being
hit by Trump's trade teriffs. Have you had any advice
on the potential effect on New Zealand's economy.

Speaker 12 (01:08:16):
Yet, Yes, I have. Look, there are a couple of effects.
The first is what you've seen in international debt and
bond markets is that the price of borrowing has gone up,
so there's no escaping that. For New Zealand. We're having
to borrow funds to service the debt we built up
during COVID, and so the interest fee on that is
likely to increase. The second thing that's harder to predict

(01:08:38):
is if we see a slow down in global growth,
how does that slow down effect New Zealand. Well, it
depends which markets it effects and whether our exports get
lower prices as a result, and that's very hard to know.
So our forecasters are looking into all of the detail
and I won't get their final assumptions on that after
a little while.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Yet, what have they told you is top line potential
figures between what and what.

Speaker 12 (01:09:03):
They haven't given me those figures yet, Ryan, because they
are the first to say there are really dynamic effects here.
On the one hand, we might get some positive upside
in some markets where we might be getting higher prices. Perversely,
inflation can have a positive impact for some exports and
for some markets. On the other hand, if we see
decline in global growth, that could affect our trade position

(01:09:25):
as well.

Speaker 9 (01:09:26):
So they are very.

Speaker 12 (01:09:28):
Careful to say to me, there's things on one side
of the ledger, there's things on the other side of
the ledger. We'll tell you how we think it's all
going to pan out later on, when we're closer to
the budget for casts being put to bed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Speaking of which, this is really putting the squeeze on you,
isn't it. You've got your debt servicing costs going up,
thank you Trump, and potentially your revenue via export revenue
taxes being cut at the same time. How do you
put a budget together?

Speaker 12 (01:09:56):
Well, it's a challenging time to put a budget together
because we are still in a mode of having to
consolidate our financial position after years of spending much more
than we earned, so we are in a tight environment.
We're also having to meet some really significant commitments. We
do need to increase our investment and defense and foreign
affairs capability. We do need to provide for some redress

(01:10:17):
for those survivors of abuse and state care, whom the
Royal Commission reported on last year. We need a big
uplift and funding for our health system. Our schools need
an uplift and funding. Our police need an uplift and funding.
So our challenge is to meet all of those costs
within a tide operating environment. The only way we will
do that is by finding savings and areas where we're

(01:10:38):
not getting maximum impact for the public dollar. We've been
working on that for months, so we're in a good
position right now. I'm confident we'll deliver it to New
Zealander's priorities.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Can you give us can you set us an expectation
of what exactly your cut.

Speaker 12 (01:10:52):
Look, what we've done is we've looked across government, both
at an individual department or agency level and at a
cross government as a whole. We've said, not just so
much what are the areas that are completely wasteful, but
where are the areas where there was a good intention
But actually, when we measure it up in the cold
light of day, these dollars are not delivering as much
as they could elsewhere. So there's a number of areas

(01:11:14):
we've looked at will make them all clear on budget day.
But one thing is a theme of the budget, which
is that the public service isn't going to get more
funding for doing the same thing. There is only more
funding if New Zealanders are going to benefit from additional
services or improved impact from those services.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Will you do away with entire departments or agencies.

Speaker 12 (01:11:35):
That's not on the agenda for this budget because the
judgment that we've made at the stage is that could
end up costing us more in the short term than
we would deliverance savings.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Okay, so you've got basically got to make a whole
bunch of cuts, which I think a lot of people
will completely understand at a time like this. What about
revenue measures? Can you rule out new revenue measures that
will hit people sneakily in the back pocket?

Speaker 12 (01:12:00):
Well, I have already been very open that we are
currently consulting on changes to the charities system, the way
that charities are taxed. We want to keep the charity
system strong, but there are a few integrity issues that
are popped up there. So that is on our revenue agenda.
But look, I'm acutely conscious that the cost of living
is the number one concern for most key we so

(01:12:20):
we're working very hard to make sure this is a
budget that helps their back pocket, doesn't harm it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
So no extra levy increases, you know, no tourist visitor
levy increases, no congestion charging in this one. No bed
tax is coming for the councils, no motor vehicle charge increases,
nothing like that.

Speaker 12 (01:12:42):
Well, there's no bed tax or anything novel like that.
I think what I would say is that across government
there's always work being done on where levees are set
in various areas. So that's not a specific budget initiative
that I've taken, but that work goes on throughout the
year under any government.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
The bid text oneions in particular, you mean, no.

Speaker 12 (01:13:03):
I'm not. I'm not I'm ruling that out at this point.
That's not going to be in my budget. But what
I mean is in terms of levies across government, So
the charges that government agencies fund for their services, those
are constantly being reviewed. They're not specific to a budget process.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Right, so at the budget none of them will go up.

Speaker 12 (01:13:23):
The budget will make very clear what we are doing,
and I'm not.

Speaker 8 (01:13:28):
Going to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
This is what you're going to have to do, isn't it?
Because as you said, your borrowing costs are going up.
You were lumped with the debt by the last lot,
and we're not going to have as much tax revenue
because Trump's coming to gobble some of our profits.

Speaker 12 (01:13:42):
Look, as I say, Ryan, I'm very clear that the
goal on the budget is to make it easier for
everyday Kiwi's not harder, and so I am very allergic
to costs that fall on everyday kiwis and my budget
will reflect that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Hey, the defense spending, we know that you want to
get to two percent of GDP. We've had Duti Collins
on saying that they want to get Obviously it's a
matter of time. Much of that I'm assuming will be
capital spending. Does that mean that it won't come out
of your operating How does that work?

Speaker 12 (01:14:11):
Well, it's a combination of both. So on the one hand,
we do need to make sure that the Defense Force
has the funding it needs day to day to pay
for its increasing costs and everything from ammunition to sending
soldiers over on deployment, to the pay for soldiers and
recruiting people in specialist roles. So we do expect to
continue to increase the operating funding for the defense forces.

(01:14:34):
It's also capital funding. As you know, we've got a
lot of kit we need to replace, from planes to ships,
to drones and everything in between. So that will be
a big part of the capability plan that we're putting
together is what pieces of kit do we need in
what order and how does it all come together? Well,
not in one budget. Our plan is about what do
we need to do over successive budgets to increase our

(01:14:57):
investment over time and make sure we have fully capable
defense force.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
The average salary public servants the Public Service Commission, the
average salary one hundred and fifty five thousand a year
at the Social Investment Agency, one hundred and forty nine thousand,
the Ministry for Regulation. Ironically one hundred and forty eight
thousand dollars corrections is the lowest salary eighty six thousand
for your average. Are we getting value for money here?

(01:15:24):
And why does this keep going up? Why is there
more money going to public servants under using ground Robertson well.

Speaker 12 (01:15:31):
Across the public service as a whole, the median income
is eighty eight thousand, nine hundred. Now that compares to
what I'm advised is the average pay for a frontline
nurse once you include their overtime, they get paid around
one hundred and twenty five thousand, and there are more
than twenty nine thousand nurses employed within our public service.

(01:15:52):
So yes, there are some policy analysts and some agencies
getting paid a bit more than that. But our view
is that ensuring that you have a really great frontline
public service is where the focus should be. And you
will have seen that overall the numbers and the public
service have reduced on our watch, and that reflects the
fact that we want more resources going to those frontline

(01:16:14):
roles teachers, nurses and the like and less bound up
in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Would you be announcing like a twenty percent saving target
target for this budget for some agencies that sort of
you know, that sort of thing you did the first
time round.

Speaker 12 (01:16:27):
That's not an announcement I'm going to make. But we've
made it really clear to every agency that if they
want to do new things, and they all have lots
of bright ideas well, the first thing they should do
is go and find out what's not working, stop doing
it and use those savings to fund the bright new ideas.
That's the way businesses work, That's the way households work.
We expect the public service to be acting the same way.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
All right, Nichola Willis really appreciate your time receiving Thanks
so much for being with me. Thank you, Finance mister Nicola,
Finance minister, I should say Nicola Willis with us. Sixteen
after Shane Solely on the Market's Next.

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Solis here Harbor Rest Management, Shane. Good evening today, Ryan,
let's have a look at the market share we how
are we looking well?

Speaker 14 (01:17:20):
We saw a little bit of a recovery in the
US market on Friday, a little bit about the government,
the US government managing to avoid a debt ceiling problem
and actually open make sure the government doesn't shut down.
And also mister Trump managed to stop making too many announcements.
But we actually saw some weaker economic data and so
we saw some consumer confidence surveys come out, weaker inflation expectations.

(01:17:45):
All behind. This is all about this US government reset
that's going on, trying to get the spending down the
US government and obviously the uncertainty trade tariffs. So quite
an interesting friday here in Zeland. We were a little
bit better today, but still we're not exactly all on
the way but soon. I think some of that volatility
was in the last few weeks just toning down a

(01:18:06):
little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Yeah, okay, Hey, over to China, the regulators there seem
to be really putting their foot down to try and
support the Chinese economy. I know they had their January
February figures for import export imports were down eight percent.

Speaker 14 (01:18:20):
Yeah, so it's a great point, Ryan, They're starting from
a low start point, so that they have seen the
need to increase stimulation. Last week they had what's called
the Chinese National People's Conference, the NPC, and it really
had a bunch of policies and lifting this economy. One
of the really notable things was that if more aggressively
targeted consumed consumption, really trying to get Chinese consumers given

(01:18:42):
the confidence to get out there. They've gone out with
a thirty point plan over the weekend. One thing that
we noticed though for New Zealm was that they're targeting
and lifting birth rates. Things like increased maturity, patunitary childcare,
health care policies, and some of the cities are actually
really throwing subsidies basically giving you ten thousand, which is
quite a lot of you in a second or field
or forth tier city to have babies, to have children.

(01:19:06):
That's pretty good for China's demand for New Zealand andant
milk formula. And so we've seen a to milk, the
milk formula producer up ten percent over the week on
the back of that news. So yep, plenty of plenty
of similars going on there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
And just finding back here. Shares in smart pace spiking
high today. This is several takeover offers that we've been
hearing about.

Speaker 14 (01:19:28):
Yeah, interesting times. So smart pay e literronic prepaid solutions
that it had a bed from Australian as the company Tyro,
and also an international strategic party. We don't know who
that is. Tyro has been effectively the same as a dollar.
It's some shares and some cash. It's about a dollar.
And the boards basically said, hey, look, just wait, We're
going to let these companies undertake their due diligence and

(01:19:49):
then we'll go from there. But I think it's really
telling us that it's the time we may see more
of this version acquisition activity. It's the right time to
ACQUI bolt on businesses for some businesses. So we may
said it more of.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Than all right, Shane, thanks so much for that. Great
to have you on. Shane Solid Harbor asset management with
us tonight. Just go on. Twenty two minutes after six, Ryan,
I love how clear and delect and direct Nikola Willis
was definitely prime Minister materials is this text and under,
says Ryan Nicholas, fiddling at the margins? Can we return
to Helen Clark levels of bureaucracy? At least? Never thought

(01:20:22):
I'd say that in a sentence, Ryan, Do you ever
praise Nikola Willis? She's on top of her finance portfolio,
intelligent and positive in a tough situation that in coombetant
predecessor has left her regards Peter, Peter, I don't think
she needs me praising her. To be honest with you,
I mean, one, it's not my job, but I too,
I just don't think she needs it. Redly. I agree,

(01:20:44):
she's very confident. I don't think she needs anyone blowing anything.
Twenty three minutes after six, News talks EP.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Something strange happened in Wellington last night. This is in Mirama,
which is out by the airport for those who know
the area. Twenty five after six Darlington Road and Miramar.
Police were called there because there was a guy in
his house wakes up and there's an intruder. It starts
fighting him anyway, homeowner gets hurt in the process. Guy

(01:21:24):
intruder runs out onto the road, but you know, police
turn up. This guy's taken off and then police get
the dogs involved, search for the guy, lose the sense.
Intruder goes missing. Half an hour later they find a
thirty minutes later find a person unconscious on the road

(01:21:44):
a different road in a critical condition. They don't know
if these two incidents are linked, or what the story
might have been, how one might have affected the other,
whether they are one and the same, but they want
your help to figure it out. This is police in Wellington.
This is around Darlington Road in Miramar. If you do
know what happened there last night, then do get in

(01:22:04):
touch with police. They'd like to hear from you in
twenty six after six rich so much more to get
to the after six thirty, after the news, we're going
to deal with this insulation issue because a couple of
months ago there was this, Oh, the government's changed the regulations.
They're making us stuff too many pink bats into our walls,
and our homes are overheating and you know now my

(01:22:26):
children can't breathe at night. Well apparently it's not and
this is according to one group. So I want to
make that clear. But we'll have the group on. It's
not so much the insulation that's the problem. In fact,
it's not the insulation that's the problem. It's the design
of the homes. But the question then becomes, well, if

(01:22:46):
the homes were the same design but with less insulation,
we do you still have the problems, you see? So anyway,
we'll talk to the authors of this report after news
and still beat.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
You for again.

Speaker 12 (01:23:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
If it's to do with money, it matters to you
your business hour with Ryan Rich and Mayre's insurance and investments,
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Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
News Talks, ed b twenty five evolvenscious was love corgeous
was twenty five way from seven on News Talk SETB.
Lots of your text will get to them in a second,
just very quickly. This is one on housing, Ryan, I

(01:23:39):
have a fifties house in the White Cuts own In
the winter, it's fine without insulation in the ceiling and
the walls. The secret is in the design of the house. Apparently, Well,
I'd love to hear who designed your house, what sort
of design it is we're working with here nineteen nineteen
the numbers text. A study from the Building Research Association
is found that indoor summer temperatures have gone up six

(01:24:03):
to ten percent in the last twenty years. That's inside
during summer tempts up six to twenty It's two ten
percent in the last twenty years, and the new insulation
standards that came in force in twenty twenty three aren't
to blame for this. The study found that homes of
all ages are overheating. Doctor Chris Listen is a Building

(01:24:25):
Research Association General manager of Research. Welcome to the show, Chris, Hi, Ryan,
how are you? Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:24:30):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Thank you. First of all, I asked Laura, who's our
producer here? I wanted to find out whether you've got
any skin in the game. Here are you? You know
you've got shares and insulation companies anything like this, But
you know you're quite independent. I've found out, Yeah, we're
completely independent.

Speaker 18 (01:24:47):
I am Brains is all about providing some ex independent
advice into the system. So that's what we're about.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Brilliant. Okay, So two things. One, it's getting hotter inside.
What's the temperature? I mean, how hot are we talking.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
In some.

Speaker 18 (01:25:02):
Some people are saying that somewhere between twenty five and
thirty degrees and that's for some people that feels really hot.
And I think one of the really interesting things from
the study shows that Wellingtonians are likely to say it's
two women they're homes despite them actually being colder than
the people in Auckland who are saying it's quite comfortable.
So it's really about perception about what people are actually

(01:25:22):
feeling like they're in their homes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
What do people feel like is a good temperature?

Speaker 18 (01:25:27):
Again, that really comes down to personal preference. I'm in Wellington.
I think if my home was twenty five degrees, I'd
feel it's pretty warm. But you know that would be
quite different to someone else than from Auckland or from
christ Church but I think at the end of the day,
there's actually no agreed definition of when it's too hot.
The World Health Organization see something between over forty degrees

(01:25:48):
is probably not good, which is probably right. It's not
actually a real measure of saying when it's when hot
is too hot.

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
Now, one of the things you looked at was the
new insulation standards that came into force, and three you've
said that they're not to blame for our houses getting warmer.
That doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 18 (01:26:07):
There's two parts of the Actually. First of all, none
of the houses in the survey actually had that new
insulation levels in them, so we can certainly say that
didn't make any difference. But I think the other thing
that we have shown in this work of insulation also
keeps the heat out, so no one is it keeping
you warm in winter, which is a really great thing,
but also keeps the heat out in summer. I think

(01:26:28):
what we're really seeing is that homes are really complex,
complex constructions. There's a lot that you need to think about.
There's insulation, there's the amount of windows you've got, how
much sun's coming in, how much shade you haven't haven't
got they facing north or south. It's really complex, and
that's what we're really trying to trying to get across

(01:26:50):
to everybody really right. They're to design things right and
to build them properly. They need to actually if you're living,
then you need to open the window and ventilate them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
So none of the homes you looked at actually had
the new standard of insulation.

Speaker 18 (01:27:03):
So that's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
So therefore you can say, well, they're still getting hot,
but how do you know that they wouldn't have gotten
even hotter had they had that level.

Speaker 18 (01:27:13):
Well, again, it comes back to that complex relationship between
everything that's in the in the house. Is that there's
a lot there's a lot of people who don't have
any shaving at all, coming into really large open windows
and onto concrete flour. So insulation is one part of it,
but it's not that it's not the only thing that's
contributing to things getting warmer.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Okay, is there anything you want changed, you know, whether
it's to do with insulation or anything else with the
building code, anything you want change to cool our houses down?

Speaker 18 (01:27:43):
I think that the building code has always been updated
and people are always thinking about That's not our job.
We provide advice to the government that does do that.
But at the end of the day, people need to
think again, it's the whole the whole building code, the
whole system is holistic. Things are complex. Change one thing
and something else will change. You need to consider that
in the whole process of designing and building your homes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Okay, does everyone get will we all need air conditioning
at some point? And if so, when do you think
that might be.

Speaker 18 (01:28:14):
I don't know about that. I think there's always some
way to operate your home better. It doesn't have to
be with air conditioning. You could INTELLCT properly. You can
close the windows that you know, close your blinds at
the right time. You can put some shaving, plant a
big tree outside your window. There's lots of ways to
cool things down when you actually need to put a

(01:28:36):
calling pump and the air conditioning and I don't know
that can be very gay, very much for people how
they feel that they're perception of living in their homers.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Interesting, Chris, thank you for that. Appreciate your time. Welcome
doctor Chris Litton, Building Research Association, General manager of Research.
Very independent man, it is nineteen minutes away from seven.
You're on news talk said back in just a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
It's Ryan Bridge with the business hour and mass insurance
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Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
News talks 'b You've been.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Planning away from seven on news talks 'b Ryan, do
you think having much more We've just been discussing insulation
and what makes a house too hot? Temperatures up six
to ten percent over twenty years, Brian. Do you think
that's in summer? Do you think having too much technology, computers,
et cetera in our home contribute to the heating. I
know my son's room is much hotter than the rest

(01:29:32):
of our house, says Karen. I think you're probably onto something, Karen.
I you know, if you think about your phone, when
you hold your phone in your hand and you're lying
in bed at night, which you shouldn't be doing, but
it is warmer, it is hotter. So I would say
that stands to reason, Karen.

Speaker 21 (01:29:47):
And if we look at so our work building, right,
and if between a studio I'm sitting in the studio
you're sitting in, if you think about the amount of
hot air that's produced in these two studios cost the
course of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
You know, it's probably particularly in the morning circus six
to nine am. Glass. Some of my friends have new
houses with high glass walls, and bugger Mese has been
they are hot in the summer. I mean that stands
to reason too. Some comes straight through, doesn't it, Ryan.
Not many new houses, says Carolyn, have eaves on them.

(01:30:17):
The sun just beams right and all good points, all
well made. Quarter to seven, Ryan Bridge Kevin Gray are
UK correspondent with us given good evening. Hi, that now
tell us about this nightclub fire in North Macedonia. That
many people have died.

Speaker 26 (01:30:33):
Ryan, it's a terrible, terrible incident and at least fifty
nine have died, Eighteen people are in hospital critical and
many others were left injured. It was thought that nearly
five hundred people gathered for a concert by a group
called DNK. They're a popular hip hop dura in the country,
and during this fire in the North Macedonian club, which

(01:30:58):
was roughly a couple of one hundred kilometers east of
the capitol, they set off some pyrotechnics during the concert.
The pyrotechnics produced sparks, One of them hit the ceiling
and it turned out the ceiling was made of a
highly flammable substance and it spread really really quickly and
many of those crushed trying to get out, And it

(01:31:19):
now appears that we've had up to fifteen people detained overnight.
And this is all about the fact that there are
some suspicions the venue did not have a legal license
to operate, that it only had one sort of exit
for people to get out of. The venue's back door
was locked and could not be used. It was described
as an improvised nightclub, having previously been a carpet warehouse.

(01:31:43):
So lots of things now being revealed about, quite simply
the lack of facilities that are being alleged at this
place and the lack of safety standards that were in place,
and that's led to huge question marks now for the
government about how many of these entertainment and areas in
North Macedonia are being used that simply aren't suitable for

(01:32:04):
large gathering. So questions being asked, arrests being made, and
plenty of people grieving the loss of their loved ones. Incidently,
the age range of those who died is fourteen to
twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
That's terrible, Kevin, that's really terrible. Thank you for updating
us on that. Let's go to the UK some asylum seekers,
in fact, tens of thousands of them, they've had their
initial claims rejected, but now they're going back for more.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Is that right?

Speaker 15 (01:32:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 26 (01:32:33):
And the people who have had their asylum claims refused
are appealing. And it's the number of appealance or appllance
I guess who are those that we're talking about, And
it's gone to forty two thousand, with almost forty thousand
housed in hotels waiting, and of course that hotel bill

(01:32:54):
is massive, and people that aren't able to get a
home or on a waiting list for a home are
far as you can understand that this is happening. The
Refugee Council says the number now is a fivefold increase
in the last two years, and they say the government
simply risks moving the asylum crisis from one part of
the system to another. In other words, this government has

(01:33:16):
pledged to hear the cases sooner and then determine whether
somebody can stay and then repatriate them if they can't.
But what's happening is they aren't quickening up the system
for those appeal hearings. So we're stuck in this system
where millions of pounds a day is being spent. It
was estimated incidentally, the cost of hotels could be roughly

(01:33:39):
three and a half billion New Zealand dollars this year
for housing assylum seekers. And as you can imagine, that
is a bill at the moment where many people are
struggling to put food on the table and heat their homes.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
That is not good figure, Absolutely not. Now the PTS
Harry business that all of US files, as immigration files,
are we going to get to have a little peak of.

Speaker 26 (01:33:59):
The well, we're going to have a look I think
at redacted versions. So all this relates to the fact
that in America, if you apply for citizenship or for
basically living there, you have to answer a series of
questions and some of them relate to drug taking and
in the past people have been barred from entering if

(01:34:21):
they've taken drugs. Well, in his book Spare, Prince Harry
said that he quote, cocaine didn't do anything for me.
Marijuana is different.

Speaker 15 (01:34:30):
That actually really did help me.

Speaker 26 (01:34:33):
So a group which is a conservative US think tank
called the Heritage Foundation said that they thought this should
mean if it's true in the book that he was
disqualified from obtaining a US visa, and they have won
the latest round in ordering the release of the application form.
But as I said, I think what we see is

(01:34:54):
quite heavily redacted, that this could be bad news for
Prince Harry. In the past, various judges said no, it's
of no public interest at all, so we're not going
to release it. But finally they found a judge that said, yes, actually,
this is important and we do need it to be
a level playing field for those that come to live
in this country. And so although President Trump ruled out

(01:35:16):
deporting Harry from the US back in February, he actually
said to the New York Post, I'll leave Malone. He's
got enough problems with his wife. She's terrible. We will
wait to see what happens next.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Goodness name. One must be careful when speaking one's truth.
Thank you very much, Kevin Kevin Gray. Yeah, UK correspondent.
It's just gone ten minutes away from seven here on
lin Ryan Bridge. Now I'm loving these ticks about the Eves.
This is on your house because he's sort of like
a pigd cat for your house, aren't they? They keep
your your house cool, and they keep your house dry.

(01:35:51):
You can open your doors and windows if you've got
an eve hanging over the side of it, Ryan, the
biggest problem with new builds is they don't have eves anymore.
The eaves provide shading in the summer months, which keeps
the house cooler. Developers got rid of the e's to
have a bigger footprint, to make the houses bigger, at
the cost of the occupants comforts. As Mike, I'm assuming

(01:36:12):
because if does that make it non permeable ground, because
you know, a certain percentage of your site must be
non permeable or permeable or whatever. So presumably an eve
would count as just house. Ryan. If the relatively new
houses the glass will be triple or at least double glazed,
shouldn't be too hot in the sun. I don't know.
I still find it quite hot next to a window.

(01:36:34):
I don't know about you. And it's a new window too.
Nine minutes away from seven here on Newstalks MB it's
the heather too.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
News TALKSB seven minutes away from seven and an interesting
number I came across my desk today, and this is
to do with the economy, and everybody's worried about Donald
Trump and what might happen over there. Ye, but there's
the stocks. The stock exchange obviously taken a massive hit
over the last couple of months, taken absolute hammering the
S and P five hundred and correction territory. Everyone's sort

(01:37:10):
of freaking out about what the implications of the terriffs
might be. So it's been hitting the value of these businesses,
which is the value of people's you know, savings, the
value of their retirement funds, all those sorts of things.
So the number that's interesting is how much the American
economy is reliant on wealthy people spending. So rich people

(01:37:34):
spending actually turns out quite important for the American economy
and has been over particularly over the last period during COVID.
So the top ten percent of American earners now account
for roughly half of all spending. I'll just say that again.
The top ten percent of American earners now account for
roughly half of all spending. That number is up from

(01:37:55):
thirty five percent three decades ago. And of them, thirty
two percent of their wealth are in stocks. So if
you think about the wealth of the wealthy and how
much of that is tied up in the stock market,
and then you look at what's happening to the stock
market and you see that they might start to get jittery,
they might start to pull back on their spending, and

(01:38:16):
that has a wider flow on effect into the real economy.
Doesn't it a bit like us with housing. I suppose
news Talk ZIDB five away from seven for your Monday night.
What are we going out to tonight?

Speaker 21 (01:38:27):
And Zombie by the Cranberries, Ryan, I had to be
something irish today. Happy Saint Patrick's Day to you. I
know the students in Dunedan are all getting into it already,
so there's no reason we and the listeners can't get
into it as well. ZIDBY does not endorse burning any couches,
and certainly not if it breeches the local fire regulations.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Where you are, very good point to make and thank you,
see you tomorrow.

Speaker 25 (01:39:00):
It's tags over causes signs. We must be staggain.

Speaker 23 (01:39:15):
It's the same, oh ten since nineteen sixteen, any yard,
any yardhead, there's still fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
With thircake and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Their bombs and their bombs.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
And they're gone.

Speaker 27 (01:39:33):
Ay A yard the diet, any eye yard beyond.

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