There's potential for some bi-partisanship as the Government reveals key features of a replacement Resource Management Act system.
Two replacement acts will include clearer environmental boundaries and prioritise property rights.
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop says it also has common sense ideas - like standardised zoning countrywide.
He says he'll reach out to Labour and the Greens to look for areas where they can work together.
Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper explains further.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Barry Sopa is here right now, Senior political correspondent, Barry.
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, right hey, just a text to
kick us off, Barry says, Hi, Ryan, we knew the
government we're going to replace the RMA, so today is
just an announcement of an announcement to say it's still
two years away. Is that that's from Lloyd? Is that right?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, well know, Lloyd, and fairness to the government today
and the Prime Minister and his cohorts have just got
off a stage as I walked into the studio here.
It's we did know that they were going to change
the RMA, but this was cabinet signing off the two
pieces of legislation that they'll have in place to do that.
(00:40):
So that's that's what they've decided today. But look, you're
right to an extent, we've heard so much about the RMA.
This is not to be confused with the fast track
legislation because that's already gone through and that's but essentially
in many cases by passing the ROMA anyway, And look,
this was written this act way back in nineteen ninety one.
(01:02):
I remember it as in Parliament at the time. Mold
Jeffrey Palmer. He was the Prime Minister and also the
Environment Minister when he wrote this piece of legislation, which
is now one thousand pages long. I found it interesting
some of the opening comments of the Prime Minister and
(01:23):
the people that were on stage with him. Essentially they
were talking about the changes. That was the Prime Minister,
the Infrastructure Minister, Chris Bishop, and the Under Secretary Act
Simon Court. Here they are in that order. Have a listen.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
RIMA has enabled a cottage industry of lawyers and consultants
drafting thousands of pages of papers and reports, all designed
to block new roads, new wind farms, new apartments in
our central cities, and farming in rural New Zealand. It's
the culture of no that I spoke about earlier in
the year brought to life. Keiwi's are sick of it.
I'm sick of it. We're all sick of it, and
now we're taking action right now.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Every individual count the New Zealand determines the technical rules
of each of their zones. Across New Zealand. There are
one thousand, one hundred and seventy five different kinds of zones.
In the entirety of Japan, which uses standardized zoning. There
are thirteen. These are one hundred and seventy five different
sets of technical zoning rules in a country the size
(02:22):
of New Zealand. Our view is that it's totally nuts.
There is really no legitimate justification for the maximum building
height in a residential zone to be eight meters in
Capiti and nine meters Indoneta.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
It's one point three billion annually spent on consenting, according
to the Infrastructure Commission. At a recent peak around forty
thousand consents we're demanded in a year. Most of the
stuff we've been doing for years. We know how to
do earthworks. We know how to install a culvert under
a road. We know how to build a wastewater treatment
plant while protecting the environment.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, those three statements to me summed up why
this Act is absolutely a dog's breakfast. How on earth
do you interpret one zone from another zone by bureaucrats,
which are the council officers sitting in there behind their desks.
You know, people demanding because they have to under the Act.
(03:18):
That many applications in a year over forty thousand. I mean,
you know, the country's gone mad. It's run by rules
and regulation. You can't get rid of some of them.
We're not going to progress at all.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, the problem they'll have, though it's already be able
to come out and say this, but the problem I'll
have is passing this legislation and then keeping the legislation
once they've gone.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, yes, well that's true. Labor did change make changes
to the RMA, and it was in fact old David
Parker that came up with the idea of the fast track.
So and he's been credited with it rather sarcastically in
the house day after day. But labor had started. But
this is I think the real reform. And unfortunately no
(04:00):
people go oh, for God's sake, And our listener said,
we don't see it until twenty twenty seven. Normally changed
like this takes more than two or even three years.
So they are moving pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Winston. Peter's in his State of the Nation at the weekend.
Few protesters as well. From I mean, it was taking back.
It was every man and his dog, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well he would have loved it, Winston. And it reminded
me just watching the meeting that he was speaking to
Rob Muldoon many many years ago, and some of your
listeners might remember. It was in the Dunedin Town Hall
and Rob was pointing at people in the audience, telling
(04:41):
the police get rid of them, get rid of them.
The cops would move and would be fighting. And I
remember there were three none standing the well. They were
at the front of the mezzanine floor and they all
of a sudden stood and beard their breasts.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
They weren't nuns, of course, they were making a point.
But look, Winston loves this like Muldoon loved it because
you can pick them out. And the thing is that
he had anticipated the disruption because in his speech notes
it was sort of written in you know, that's how communist, fascist,
anti democratic losers work, and that's how they look, you know.
(05:21):
I mean, it's all there. So it was lovely and
pre orchestrated for Winston. I think the protesters did him
a great favor.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, they looked nutty too, did they. We now very
quickly with the Dunedan cultural spend that's brought the attention
of the taxpayersing into it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It's a PR consultancy in the city and it's an
EWE owned consultancy firm. Over the past three years they've spent.
The council has one point three sixty five million dollars
on advice and it's the ratepayers of the Taxpayers Union
who have put it out. I'm sure the rate Payers
(05:58):
Union should be looking at it as well. But items
like more than one hundred thousand on the Harbor City
cycle Way cultural interpretation, so that's not even for the
building of it, it's giving them advice on the cultural
aspect to it. The George Street design work another one
hundred grand. The council basically told the consultancy firm gave
(06:22):
them seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for handouts to
clubs and groups. You know, if I was a rate
payer in that town spending another seventeen and a half
percent on our rates this year, got on the Taxpayers
Union for bringing it to the four.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Thanks very much, Barry. Barry Sopis Senior put a correspondent.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Listen live to news talks.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
Barry Sopa is here right now, Senior political correspondent, Barry.
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, right hey, just a text to
kick us off, Barry says, Hi, Ryan, we knew the
government we're going to replace the RMA, so today is
just an announcement of an announcement to say it's still
two years away. Is that that's from Lloyd? Is that right?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, well know, Lloyd, and fairness to the government today
and the Prime Minister and his cohorts have just got
off a stage as I walked into the studio here.
It's we did know that they were going to change
the RMA, but this was cabinet signing off the two
pieces of legislation that they'll have in place to do that.
(00:40):
So that's that's what they've decided today. But look, you're
right to an extent, we've heard so much about the RMA.
This is not to be confused with the fast track
legislation because that's already gone through and that's but essentially
in many cases by passing the ROMA anyway, And look,
this was written this act way back in nineteen ninety one.
(01:02):
I remember it as in Parliament at the time. Mold
Jeffrey Palmer. He was the Prime Minister and also the
Environment Minister when he wrote this piece of legislation, which
is now one thousand pages long. I found it interesting
some of the opening comments of the Prime Minister and
(01:23):
the people that were on stage with him. Essentially they
were talking about the changes. That was the Prime Minister,
the Infrastructure Minister, Chris Bishop, and the Under Secretary Act
Simon Court. Here they are in that order. Have a listen.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
RIMA has enabled a cottage industry of lawyers and consultants
drafting thousands of pages of papers and reports, all designed
to block new roads, new wind farms, new apartments in
our central cities, and farming in rural New Zealand. It's
the culture of no that I spoke about earlier in
the year brought to life. Keiwi's are sick of it.
I'm sick of it. We're all sick of it, and
now we're taking action right now.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Every individual count the New Zealand determines the technical rules
of each of their zones. Across New Zealand. There are
one thousand, one hundred and seventy five different kinds of zones.
In the entirety of Japan, which uses standardized zoning. There
are thirteen. These are one hundred and seventy five different
sets of technical zoning rules in a country the size
(02:22):
of New Zealand. Our view is that it's totally nuts.
There is really no legitimate justification for the maximum building
height in a residential zone to be eight meters in
Capiti and nine meters Indoneta.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
It's one point three billion annually spent on consenting, according
to the Infrastructure Commission. At a recent peak around forty
thousand consents we're demanded in a year. Most of the
stuff we've been doing for years. We know how to
do earthworks. We know how to install a culvert under
a road. We know how to build a wastewater treatment
plant while protecting the environment.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
You know, those three statements to me summed up why
this Act is absolutely a dog's breakfast. How on earth
do you interpret one zone from another zone by bureaucrats,
which are the council officers sitting in there behind their desks.
You know, people demanding because they have to under the Act.
(03:18):
That many applications in a year over forty thousand. I mean,
you know, the country's gone mad. It's run by rules
and regulation. You can't get rid of some of them.
We're not going to progress at all.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, the problem they'll have, though it's already be able
to come out and say this, but the problem I'll
have is passing this legislation and then keeping the legislation
once they've gone.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, yes, well that's true. Labor did change make changes
to the RMA, and it was in fact old David
Parker that came up with the idea of the fast track.
So and he's been credited with it rather sarcastically in
the house day after day. But labor had started. But
this is I think the real reform. And unfortunately no
(04:00):
people go oh, for God's sake, And our listener said,
we don't see it until twenty twenty seven. Normally changed
like this takes more than two or even three years.
So they are moving pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Winston. Peter's in his State of the Nation at the weekend.
Few protesters as well. From I mean, it was taking back.
It was every man and his dog, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well he would have loved it, Winston. And it reminded
me just watching the meeting that he was speaking to
Rob Muldoon many many years ago, and some of your
listeners might remember. It was in the Dunedin Town Hall
and Rob was pointing at people in the audience, telling
(04:41):
the police get rid of them, get rid of them.
The cops would move and would be fighting. And I
remember there were three none standing the well. They were
at the front of the mezzanine floor and they all
of a sudden stood and beard their breasts.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
They weren't nuns, of course, they were making a point.
But look, Winston loves this like Muldoon loved it because
you can pick them out. And the thing is that
he had anticipated the disruption because in his speech notes
it was sort of written in you know, that's how communist, fascist,
anti democratic losers work, and that's how they look, you know.
(05:21):
I mean, it's all there. So it was lovely and
pre orchestrated for Winston. I think the protesters did him
a great favor.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, they looked nutty too, did they. We now very
quickly with the Dunedan cultural spend that's brought the attention
of the taxpayersing into it.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
It's a PR consultancy in the city and it's an
EWE owned consultancy firm. Over the past three years they've spent.
The council has one point three sixty five million dollars
on advice and it's the ratepayers of the Taxpayers Union
who have put it out. I'm sure the rate Payers
(05:58):
Union should be looking at it as well. But items
like more than one hundred thousand on the Harbor City
cycle Way cultural interpretation, so that's not even for the
building of it, it's giving them advice on the cultural
aspect to it. The George Street design work another one
hundred grand. The council basically told the consultancy firm gave
(06:22):
them seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars for handouts to
clubs and groups. You know, if I was a rate
payer in that town spending another seventeen and a half
percent on our rates this year, got on the Taxpayers
Union for bringing it to the four.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Thanks very much, Barry. Barry Sopis Senior put a correspondent.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
For more from hither Duplessy Allen Drive.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Listen live to news talks.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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