April 15, 2025 • 9 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, former Labour Minister Stuart Nash and Phil O'Reilly from Iron Duke Partners joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Associate Health Minister Casey Costello has directed Health NZ to refer to pregnant women rather than pregnant people. Do we agree with this move?
The Government is set to introduce tougher fines for people who chain up their dogs for long periods of time, but is the problem not wider than that?
Just over half of employees think their chances for a promotion are better if they work in the office. Is this not obvious?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones
with worldwide connections that perform not a promise.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Huddle with us this evening for Low Raley and Stuart Nash. Lads, Hello, hey,
are you going?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Welcome back here?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Thank you Phil, Thank you Stewart.
Speaker 5 (00:14):
You there, welcome back here? That were you a pregnant person?
I was a pregnant Did you enjoy doing a pregnant person?
Speaker 6 (00:19):
I was a person with the service? I was a
person with the service. I proved that obviously, So that's good.
I think it's wonderful that we've got two lads talking
about women's issues today, just to really fire up the websters.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yeah, Peel, what anything I mean?
Speaker 6 (00:33):
Do you think Casey's done the right thing here directing
Health New Zealand to use the term pregnant women?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
That she is absolutely right to do so. And in
fact I spoke to a very liberal female colleague of mine,
the st Afthternoon, knowing there was going to be two
blokes on the show, and said what do you make
of this? And she absolutely agreed with that Casey Costello
was doing for the same reason. And it is that
that you can take these things too far. I mean,
I'm all for inclusion. It's a very important thing, and
you know, I'm a champion of all of that. But
(00:58):
if you take it too far, you get a reaction
and it turns against itself. And I agree with I
think Karen Sure from Active this afternoon, by doing the
sort of thing, you're actually canceling women. You're you're you're
actually ignoring women, And I think that's absolutely right. So
I'm all for inclusion. I think it's an important thing,
but in this case, I think case you your stale
is absolutely right. It's about women. We should be focusing
there because they hopefully will turn up feeling included in
(01:21):
the health system.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, what do you reckonsume?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Oh look, I celebrate people's different sexuality. If you're straight, bisexual, gray, trans, fantastic,
go hard and live, you live your best life. But
in my very simple world, Heather, if you've got a penis,
you're a man. If you've got a vagina, you're a woman.
I mean, is that terribly Is that terribly difficult to
get hit around?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:39):
When you said that, I am, for the first time
utterly convinced that you're going to run for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
First, you were in the Labor Party, would you?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Well, I probably would have. And it's well no longer there. See.
The thing is is that I think ninety six ninety
six point five percent of New Zealanders agree with that.
Now there's always a small friends day the ms, et cetera.
And like I said, I celebrate people's sexuality. Those battles
have been fought, and one a long long time ago.
You know, we had a gay deputy prime minister for
three years. He did a fantastic job. No one cared
about his sexuality. They cared about his character and this competency.
(02:13):
But but you know, pregnant THEMS, I don't quite get that.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I'm still gone. Then, yeah, are you going to run
for New Zealand?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
First, I'm not denying anything. I mean, I've got him
an immense amount of protect for Winston. And isn't he
doing a great job? In America? We are very lucky.
We are very lucky. We have the best politician in
this country, the most seasoned politician in America, representing us
in these most troubled times.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I mean, Wiman central and vocal.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Phil was that a confirmation or what. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
But do you know what, Stu, Because I sent you
a text about it when I read it in the papers.
I know you didn't text me back rude. But as
I said in the text, you're too good at politics
to be out at the such a young age, so
we'd be lucky to have you back, I think, don't
you think, Oh.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
That's a very close thing to say if I'm enjoying
having a beer with mates and not even to worry
about some clam with a taking a photo and putting
up on SoCal worry about it in.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
A minute, though.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Hey, all you're a dog owner, do you think your dogs,
the kind of dogs that you love, the sausage dogs,
are not really much of a threat to us? So
I expect that you would you'll agree with me that
we're not doing enough to crack down on the bad
dog owners.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yet I would, I agree, But I looked at that.
I looked at the background to that story. Actually, so
this is what's been announced by Andrew Hogart is penalties
for those who don't look after the dogs, you know,
excessive tying them up and not cleaning up after them.
And it's one of the saddest and most tragic things
I see as a dog lover, and many people out
there like me. You'll see me walking down town he
Hey Street and my little dash and in the morning.
So I get really upset about that. It hits me
(03:38):
in the heart when I see dogs being abused by that.
That's a different thing to dogs abusing other humans. Because
I checked that this afternoon, and actually is already quite
a lot of penalties available on those matters. If your
dog bites someone else, your dog bite someone else, you
are liable, You can be fined, Your dog can be
taken away from me un destroyed. So already in those circumstances,
there's already quite a few pen already, ease and so on.
(04:00):
It's this issue that's missing of when I abuse a dog,
And I think that's I think Andrew Howg has done
exactly the right. Think you should we strengthen up the
other ones. Maybe, but I you know, I don't see
those as being the major issues. Yeah, I think dog
owners will agree. The major issue is, you know, dogs
themselves being abused by by loser owners.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
I'm going to come back to you on that. Ste
Just hold you, hold your thought and they will get it.
After the break, it's call to two.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty achieve extraordinary
results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right, you're back of the huddle, Ste, What do you think?
Ste Nash and Philo? Really? What do you think about
the dog's issue?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Stew couldn't agree more with Phil. You know, we've got
a fox red lab. He's a He's a boisterous fellow,
sleeps at the base of the bed, sit when I'm there.
I agree with you. You know who would treat dogs badly?
I mean, just something that the vast majority of keys
and all your listeners I think agree with. I think
how has done the right thing. Phil and I on
the on the same page in this one.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
I guess the problem that I have with it, Phil
as I don't think that they're going ho on all
of these issues with dogs.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
If you've got a dog that has been tethered up
to a kennel for so long that they have abrasions
on their neck, and that they've worn the ground down
and they're sitting in their own poop, then I don't
think a fine is sufficient. I think you take that
dog away. That's quite significant abuse.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Well, I think that's right. I mean, as a dog lover,
and there's the same issues, right, there's plenty of people
on listening to this, so he'll be dog lovers. I'd
put them in jail. But I mean, at the end
of the day, I think that's you've got to be
a bit proportionate about this, because we don't put people
in jail except for very re sale.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Take the dog and put a dog down.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean, if you're leaving your dog in that state,
you don't deserve a dog.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I quite quite agree with that. You definitely take the
person and you'd also ban them from owning a dog
for for a long time, although that's also quite difficult
to kind of enforce. But I think I definitely agree
with that that that should be quite a serious matter
if you abuse not just a dog, but an animal
more generally, because you know, as Stuart says, that we
don't deserve dogs, and they're faithful, faithful companions and they're
(05:58):
basically defenseless, so we should Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Fair enough, Now, Stu, do you think that the government
can claim the credit for that crime stat win today?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Oh? Well, they claim credit when the stets are good
and they keep quiet when the stets aren't. They're still
talking about well over one hundred and fifty thousand victims
of crime here, so there's still a lot of work
to do. I mean, thank goodness. The last government when
I was Minister of Police, put eighteen hundred more officers
on the beat. They're struggling to fund the current ones
they want to put in place. But look, I've had
a ment amount of respect for the men and woman
in blue out there keeping our community safe. Any thought
(06:28):
of defunding the police is an aenephema to me. Go
hard and congratulations to the to the young police service
and the wonderful job they're doing.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Yeah, Phil, I mean Stew's right right, it's politics. Are
you going to claim the win for it if you
if you have an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
That's course. It's a bit like inflation when it's gone
down to the government. His ey, it's great. I saw a
couple of bobbies on the beat, so that I was
up by Sky's City and there's a couple of bobies
on the beat. I literally felt like walking up from
saying thank you. I feel safer that you're here because
you know around that area around Sky City that walk
on City can be a bit egy from time, so
(07:02):
she felt like I felt like she's given them a bit.
Wouldn't give them pad on the shod because they might
arrest me, But you know, to talk to them to say, actually,
as a citizen, can I just say how much I
appreciate you being on the beat and that that makes
me feel better and I know what will make other
people feel better as well. Of course with these with
these kind of the challenge with the government owning those
numbers is they'll bounce around, and of course it gives
(07:22):
an opportunity for the opposition to say, look at that,
bounces that, Oh, look at that. You've got that wrong,
you know that. So it's a risky political strategy, but
I can understand they want to own the good news,
particularly when Tamoth has been raving on about decounting the police.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Lord Tamitha stu.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Now listen, you're you're in recruitment and you this is
your wheelhouse, right is it just mean? Doesn't seem obvious
that you are more likely to get a promotion if
you're in the office and not at home and you're
dressing gown.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
It kind of seems obvious. Keep in mind, though, that
these figures are those involved in finance and it and
so yeah, if you, if you are involved in those years,
you kind of do have to be in the office
to you know, to answer the tricky questions of the
of the big cheeses. But but you are right, I'm
a little old fashioned in this. I mean, I struggle
with the concept of working from home more than sort
of one day a week because I just don't think
(08:08):
people are as productive. Some are desperately, I suppose, But
but be back in the office, it's you know, there
was human socialization and the exchange of ideas around the
around the water cooler, I think is a really valuable
part of being a high performing team.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Totally, phil You just if you're not, If you can't
put your clothes on and catch the bus and come
to work, you're just lazy, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Actually A lot of a lot of young people come
to me for career advice for reasons that escape me,
but they do anyway, And one of the things I
say to them is turn up, turn up at the office,
be there before your boss, and be there under. Now
that may sound old fashioned, but actually it's not because
the boss is going to look around one day and
it's going to say, I need someone to do this
interesting project, or or I've got a question I've got
to ask, or I've got a task we've got to give,
(08:52):
and I look around and I see Dave or Mary
sitting there and I say, great, why don't you do that?
And you get an opportunity to shine. So it's not
about being old fashioned. It's about being in the right
place at the right time and actually having the capacity
to shine when the opportunity presents itself, because that's actually how,
particularly he's a young person, you get ahead. I think
there's less of an issue for middle aged and order
people very job dependent to Stet's point, and also a
(09:14):
bit of flexibility is appreciated. But for young people are
turning up and being there for that very reason is
really important. That's the advice I give to all young
people who.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Asked, have a shave eron your shirt, make sure you
look smart, and do the job right.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, rockets, and be up for a big opportunity for
the rises. And that's about being there, Jaez.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That was such good advice for I can see why
the young ones come to you guys, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, it's not that bad.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
At all, fellow Riley I and you partners and Stuart Nash,
former Labor Party minister and New Zealand First candidates and
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Huddle with us this evening for Low Raley and Stuart Nash. Lads, Hello, hey,
are you going?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Welcome back here?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Thank you Phil, Thank you Stewart.
Speaker 5 (00:14):
You there, welcome back here? That were you a pregnant person?
I was a pregnant Did you enjoy doing a pregnant person?
Speaker 6 (00:19):
I was a person with the service? I was a
person with the service. I proved that obviously, So that's good.
I think it's wonderful that we've got two lads talking
about women's issues today, just to really fire up the websters.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Yeah, Peel, what anything I mean?
Speaker 6 (00:33):
Do you think Casey's done the right thing here directing
Health New Zealand to use the term pregnant women?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
That she is absolutely right to do so. And in
fact I spoke to a very liberal female colleague of mine,
the st Afthternoon, knowing there was going to be two
blokes on the show, and said what do you make
of this? And she absolutely agreed with that Casey Costello
was doing for the same reason. And it is that
that you can take these things too far. I mean,
I'm all for inclusion. It's a very important thing, and
you know, I'm a champion of all of that. But
(00:58):
if you take it too far, you get a reaction
and it turns against itself. And I agree with I
think Karen Sure from Active this afternoon, by doing the
sort of thing, you're actually canceling women. You're you're you're
actually ignoring women, And I think that's absolutely right. So
I'm all for inclusion. I think it's an important thing,
but in this case, I think case you your stale
is absolutely right. It's about women. We should be focusing
there because they hopefully will turn up feeling included in
(01:21):
the health system.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, what do you reckonsume?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Oh look, I celebrate people's different sexuality. If you're straight, bisexual, gray, trans, fantastic,
go hard and live, you live your best life. But
in my very simple world, Heather, if you've got a penis,
you're a man. If you've got a vagina, you're a woman.
I mean, is that terribly Is that terribly difficult to
get hit around?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:39):
When you said that, I am, for the first time
utterly convinced that you're going to run for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
First, you were in the Labor Party, would you?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Well, I probably would have. And it's well no longer there. See.
The thing is is that I think ninety six ninety
six point five percent of New Zealanders agree with that.
Now there's always a small friends day the ms, et cetera.
And like I said, I celebrate people's sexuality. Those battles
have been fought, and one a long long time ago.
You know, we had a gay deputy prime minister for
three years. He did a fantastic job. No one cared
about his sexuality. They cared about his character and this competency.
(02:13):
But but you know, pregnant THEMS, I don't quite get that.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I'm still gone. Then, yeah, are you going to run
for New Zealand?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
First, I'm not denying anything. I mean, I've got him
an immense amount of protect for Winston. And isn't he
doing a great job? In America? We are very lucky.
We are very lucky. We have the best politician in
this country, the most seasoned politician in America, representing us
in these most troubled times.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I mean, Wiman central and vocal.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Phil was that a confirmation or what. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
But do you know what, Stu, Because I sent you
a text about it when I read it in the papers.
I know you didn't text me back rude. But as
I said in the text, you're too good at politics
to be out at the such a young age, so
we'd be lucky to have you back, I think, don't
you think, Oh.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
That's a very close thing to say if I'm enjoying
having a beer with mates and not even to worry
about some clam with a taking a photo and putting
up on SoCal worry about it in.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
A minute, though.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Hey, all you're a dog owner, do you think your dogs,
the kind of dogs that you love, the sausage dogs,
are not really much of a threat to us? So
I expect that you would you'll agree with me that
we're not doing enough to crack down on the bad
dog owners.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yet I would, I agree, But I looked at that.
I looked at the background to that story. Actually, so
this is what's been announced by Andrew Hogart is penalties
for those who don't look after the dogs, you know,
excessive tying them up and not cleaning up after them.
And it's one of the saddest and most tragic things
I see as a dog lover, and many people out
there like me. You'll see me walking down town he
Hey Street and my little dash and in the morning.
So I get really upset about that. It hits me
(03:38):
in the heart when I see dogs being abused by that.
That's a different thing to dogs abusing other humans. Because
I checked that this afternoon, and actually is already quite
a lot of penalties available on those matters. If your
dog bites someone else, your dog bite someone else, you
are liable, You can be fined, Your dog can be
taken away from me un destroyed. So already in those circumstances,
there's already quite a few pen already, ease and so on.
(04:00):
It's this issue that's missing of when I abuse a dog,
And I think that's I think Andrew Howg has done
exactly the right. Think you should we strengthen up the
other ones. Maybe, but I you know, I don't see
those as being the major issues. Yeah, I think dog
owners will agree. The major issue is, you know, dogs
themselves being abused by by loser owners.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
I'm going to come back to you on that. Ste
Just hold you, hold your thought and they will get it.
After the break, it's call to two.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty achieve extraordinary
results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Right, you're back of the huddle, Ste, What do you think?
Ste Nash and Philo? Really? What do you think about
the dog's issue?
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Stew couldn't agree more with Phil. You know, we've got
a fox red lab. He's a He's a boisterous fellow,
sleeps at the base of the bed, sit when I'm there.
I agree with you. You know who would treat dogs badly?
I mean, just something that the vast majority of keys
and all your listeners I think agree with. I think
how has done the right thing. Phil and I on
the on the same page in this one.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
I guess the problem that I have with it, Phil
as I don't think that they're going ho on all
of these issues with dogs.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Right.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
If you've got a dog that has been tethered up
to a kennel for so long that they have abrasions
on their neck, and that they've worn the ground down
and they're sitting in their own poop, then I don't
think a fine is sufficient. I think you take that
dog away. That's quite significant abuse.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Well, I think that's right. I mean, as a dog lover,
and there's the same issues, right, there's plenty of people
on listening to this, so he'll be dog lovers. I'd
put them in jail. But I mean, at the end
of the day, I think that's you've got to be
a bit proportionate about this, because we don't put people
in jail except for very re sale.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Take the dog and put a dog down.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean, if you're leaving your dog in that state,
you don't deserve a dog.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I quite quite agree with that. You definitely take the
person and you'd also ban them from owning a dog
for for a long time, although that's also quite difficult
to kind of enforce. But I think I definitely agree
with that that that should be quite a serious matter
if you abuse not just a dog, but an animal
more generally, because you know, as Stuart says, that we
don't deserve dogs, and they're faithful, faithful companions and they're
(05:58):
basically defenseless, so we should Yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Fair enough, Now, Stu, do you think that the government
can claim the credit for that crime stat win today?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Oh? Well, they claim credit when the stets are good
and they keep quiet when the stets aren't. They're still
talking about well over one hundred and fifty thousand victims
of crime here, so there's still a lot of work
to do. I mean, thank goodness. The last government when
I was Minister of Police, put eighteen hundred more officers
on the beat. They're struggling to fund the current ones
they want to put in place. But look, I've had
a ment amount of respect for the men and woman
in blue out there keeping our community safe. Any thought
(06:28):
of defunding the police is an aenephema to me. Go
hard and congratulations to the to the young police service
and the wonderful job they're doing.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
Yeah, Phil, I mean Stew's right right, it's politics. Are
you going to claim the win for it if you
if you have an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
That's course. It's a bit like inflation when it's gone
down to the government. His ey, it's great. I saw a
couple of bobbies on the beat, so that I was
up by Sky's City and there's a couple of bobies
on the beat. I literally felt like walking up from
saying thank you. I feel safer that you're here because
you know around that area around Sky City that walk
on City can be a bit egy from time, so
(07:02):
she felt like I felt like she's given them a bit.
Wouldn't give them pad on the shod because they might
arrest me, But you know, to talk to them to say, actually,
as a citizen, can I just say how much I
appreciate you being on the beat and that that makes
me feel better and I know what will make other
people feel better as well. Of course with these with
these kind of the challenge with the government owning those
numbers is they'll bounce around, and of course it gives
(07:22):
an opportunity for the opposition to say, look at that,
bounces that, Oh, look at that. You've got that wrong,
you know that. So it's a risky political strategy, but
I can understand they want to own the good news,
particularly when Tamoth has been raving on about decounting the police.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Lord Tamitha stu.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Now listen, you're you're in recruitment and you this is
your wheelhouse, right is it just mean? Doesn't seem obvious
that you are more likely to get a promotion if
you're in the office and not at home and you're
dressing gown.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
It kind of seems obvious. Keep in mind, though, that
these figures are those involved in finance and it and
so yeah, if you, if you are involved in those years,
you kind of do have to be in the office
to you know, to answer the tricky questions of the
of the big cheeses. But but you are right, I'm
a little old fashioned in this. I mean, I struggle
with the concept of working from home more than sort
of one day a week because I just don't think
(08:08):
people are as productive. Some are desperately, I suppose, But
but be back in the office, it's you know, there
was human socialization and the exchange of ideas around the
around the water cooler, I think is a really valuable
part of being a high performing team.
Speaker 6 (08:23):
Totally, phil You just if you're not, If you can't
put your clothes on and catch the bus and come
to work, you're just lazy, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Actually A lot of a lot of young people come
to me for career advice for reasons that escape me,
but they do anyway, And one of the things I
say to them is turn up, turn up at the office,
be there before your boss, and be there under. Now
that may sound old fashioned, but actually it's not because
the boss is going to look around one day and
it's going to say, I need someone to do this
interesting project, or or I've got a question I've got
to ask, or I've got a task we've got to give,
(08:52):
and I look around and I see Dave or Mary
sitting there and I say, great, why don't you do that?
And you get an opportunity to shine. So it's not
about being old fashioned. It's about being in the right
place at the right time and actually having the capacity
to shine when the opportunity presents itself, because that's actually how,
particularly he's a young person, you get ahead. I think
there's less of an issue for middle aged and order
people very job dependent to Stet's point, and also a
(09:14):
bit of flexibility is appreciated. But for young people are
turning up and being there for that very reason is
really important. That's the advice I give to all young
people who.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Asked, have a shave eron your shirt, make sure you
look smart, and do the job right.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Yeah, rockets, and be up for a big opportunity for
the rises. And that's about being there, Jaez.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That was such good advice for I can see why
the young ones come to you guys, thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, it's not that bad.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
At all, fellow Riley I and you partners and Stuart Nash,
former Labor Party minister and New Zealand First candidates and
waiting isn't he?
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