Labour has clarified it does not support Te Pāti Māori’s policy for Māori to receive New Zealand Superannuation seven to 10 years before everyone else.
Labour’s finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds declined the opportunity to shoot down the idea when first asked to share her view - but the party has since confirmed their stance.
NZ Herald political editor Thomas Coughlan says Labour's initial hesitancy in clarifying their stance here doesn't paint a good picture of the party's future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Thomas Coblin, the Herald's political editors with us. Hey,
Thomas Godhead. So Labour's done what they should have done
yesterday and they finally shot down this ridiculous idea from
the Marty Party.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yea, yes, they have this. So yeah, you recall yesterday
there was the speaking the Marti Party has a policy
of giving the superinnuation payment to Maori seven to ten
years earlier to account for the fact that mary life
expectancy is about seven years less than everyone else. Labor
wasn't ruling it out yesterday. They've subsequently done so today.
(00:29):
And I mean yeah, like we said yesterday, Labor was
never going to have a read of this policy. It's
about four billion dollars a year. Brad Olsen reckons there
was no chance in hell that that was ever going
to happen. But for whatever reason yesterday Labor wasn't ruling
it out. And I think they've seen the reaction to
the policy and subsequently done so today. I think it
probably bodes ill for the next few few well a
(00:51):
couple of years leading up to the election, that they're
not able to move fast on stuff like this. They
really need to get their get their act together and
just sort of kill these these sort of negative policies faster, Thomas.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Isn't it quite simple like that their default default position
on anything that comes from the Maori Party should be
to poop poo it? Because when was the last time
you heard an idea from the Maru Party there was
a good idea?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I mean, yeah, gosh, you got me straight scratchical head there.
I mean the last one I was, I was, I
think you you did on the show last year are
the two hundred billion dollar capital gains tax over six years? Right?
It's stuff like that that the Maori Party's weakness is
really in that policy area. I mean, on the on
the election campaign, Taker to Theist was talking about having
separate Maori trade deals and you know how that would work.
(01:36):
Would you have separate border agents customs agents for goods
that were being imported and exported by Marti. It's just
that the policy space is really not and then you've
got this Treaty Commissioner idea, which even the Malori Party
doesn't seem seem to be on the same page on.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Soon maybe the Labor Party just needs to adopt a
line like, look, the Mary Party means well, but probably
that's not how it's going to work. And then stick
to something like that, just like gently shoe should down
right instead of even being seen to entertain it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I mean, the gently you've hit upon the gently issue
is the is the issue because on current polling, like
Labor's looking pretty competitive for twenty twenty six and obviously
that the key component of that though is the Maori
Party and the Malorti Party is going to be in
Parliament in twenty thwenty six. They're going to win a
lot of those Malori seats. Yeah, and so there's really
no there's no, there's no question about it. If laborants
(02:24):
to form a government, they have to have a good
relationship with the Maori Party, and you've seen them in
the House. They can get pretty volatile and obviously the
President John tammerhead a good relationship with Willie Jackson, but
a lot of beef with the Labor Party.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
What do you make of this business? Labour talking up
the chances of a snap election is nonsense, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah? I think it's I think it's I mean, I
don't begrudge Karen mcinnulty for for for talking it up.
You've got to you know, you've got to stir the
pot a wee bit and certainly, certainly at the moment,
whenever you have a wee bit of a bust up
occurring within the coalition, and it happens from time to time,
Labour's got to get in there and fan the flames
a little bit. That's what an oppersition does. But I
(03:01):
don't I don't think it is likely that was going
to see us anap election. Happy to have you egg
on my face in a few months time if it occurs,
but it doesn't sound like it's happening now, I.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Don't think so. Okay, Now, So Nicola Willis is still
having a crack at the Reserve Bank, is she?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, she is so. So she came out today and
obviously you had on your show yesterday trying to get
to the bottom of this two hundred billion dollar budget
for twenty twenty five. Now, the Reserve Bank got to
me yesterday evening and said that the two hundred billion
dollars that is budgeted for this year that is actually
them spending or being forecast to spend, fifty million dollars
(03:35):
that they had saved over the last couple of years,
five years Now, obviously Nichola Willis would probably have preferred
them if they'd saved that fifty million dollars to actually
return it to the government so that we don't have
to borrow it in the first place. But instead the
Reserve Bank plans to spend it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And how did you just find fifty million dollars worth
of stuff to spend money on?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That is a very good question. It looks like it
has gone to a bit of a staff higher up,
and yeah, I mean it it is.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, no wonder they needed to increase their budget, because
it's not like your higher staff for one year, is it.
If you blow fifty million on staff this year, you're
going to need the same amount of staff next year.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, and yes, I mean precisely. And to put that
in perspective, in twenty nineteen, the last year of the
Bill English Funding Agreement, fifty million dollars was enough for
the whole Reserve Bank's budget. That was they used to
run the whole bank and now it's just a sort
of bolt on the side.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It's a lot of money. Thomas, jeez I okay, mate, listen,
thank you very much. You go and have yourself a
lovely Easter holiday. That's Thomas Collin, the Herald's political editor.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
And Thomas Coblin, the Herald's political editors with us. Hey,
Thomas Godhead. So Labour's done what they should have done
yesterday and they finally shot down this ridiculous idea from
the Marty Party.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yea, yes, they have this. So yeah, you recall yesterday
there was the speaking the Marti Party has a policy
of giving the superinnuation payment to Maori seven to ten
years earlier to account for the fact that mary life
expectancy is about seven years less than everyone else. Labor
wasn't ruling it out yesterday. They've subsequently done so today.
(00:29):
And I mean yeah, like we said yesterday, Labor was
never going to have a read of this policy. It's
about four billion dollars a year. Brad Olsen reckons there
was no chance in hell that that was ever going
to happen. But for whatever reason yesterday Labor wasn't ruling
it out. And I think they've seen the reaction to
the policy and subsequently done so today. I think it
probably bodes ill for the next few few well a
(00:51):
couple of years leading up to the election, that they're
not able to move fast on stuff like this. They
really need to get their get their act together and
just sort of kill these these sort of negative policies faster, Thomas.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Isn't it quite simple like that their default default position
on anything that comes from the Maori Party should be
to poop poo it? Because when was the last time
you heard an idea from the Maru Party there was
a good idea?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I mean, yeah, gosh, you got me straight scratchical head there.
I mean the last one I was, I was, I
think you you did on the show last year are
the two hundred billion dollar capital gains tax over six years? Right?
It's stuff like that that the Maori Party's weakness is
really in that policy area. I mean, on the on
the election campaign, Taker to Theist was talking about having
separate Maori trade deals and you know how that would work.
(01:36):
Would you have separate border agents customs agents for goods
that were being imported and exported by Marti. It's just
that the policy space is really not and then you've
got this Treaty Commissioner idea, which even the Malori Party
doesn't seem seem to be on the same page on.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Soon maybe the Labor Party just needs to adopt a
line like, look, the Mary Party means well, but probably
that's not how it's going to work. And then stick
to something like that, just like gently shoe should down
right instead of even being seen to entertain it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I mean, the gently you've hit upon the gently issue
is the is the issue because on current polling, like
Labor's looking pretty competitive for twenty twenty six and obviously
that the key component of that though is the Maori
Party and the Malorti Party is going to be in
Parliament in twenty thwenty six. They're going to win a
lot of those Malori seats. Yeah, and so there's really
no there's no, there's no question about it. If laborants
(02:24):
to form a government, they have to have a good
relationship with the Maori Party, and you've seen them in
the House. They can get pretty volatile and obviously the
President John tammerhead a good relationship with Willie Jackson, but
a lot of beef with the Labor Party.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
What do you make of this business? Labour talking up
the chances of a snap election is nonsense, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah? I think it's I think it's I mean, I
don't begrudge Karen mcinnulty for for for talking it up.
You've got to you know, you've got to stir the
pot a wee bit and certainly, certainly at the moment,
whenever you have a wee bit of a bust up
occurring within the coalition, and it happens from time to time,
Labour's got to get in there and fan the flames
a little bit. That's what an oppersition does. But I
(03:01):
don't I don't think it is likely that was going
to see us anap election. Happy to have you egg
on my face in a few months time if it occurs,
but it doesn't sound like it's happening now, I.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Don't think so. Okay, Now, So Nicola Willis is still
having a crack at the Reserve Bank, is she?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, she is so. So she came out today and
obviously you had on your show yesterday trying to get
to the bottom of this two hundred billion dollar budget
for twenty twenty five. Now, the Reserve Bank got to
me yesterday evening and said that the two hundred billion
dollars that is budgeted for this year that is actually
them spending or being forecast to spend, fifty million dollars
(03:35):
that they had saved over the last couple of years,
five years Now, obviously Nichola Willis would probably have preferred
them if they'd saved that fifty million dollars to actually
return it to the government so that we don't have
to borrow it in the first place. But instead the
Reserve Bank plans to spend it.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And how did you just find fifty million dollars worth
of stuff to spend money on?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That is a very good question. It looks like it
has gone to a bit of a staff higher up,
and yeah, I mean it it is.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Well, no wonder they needed to increase their budget, because
it's not like your higher staff for one year, is it.
If you blow fifty million on staff this year, you're
going to need the same amount of staff next year.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, and yes, I mean precisely. And to put that
in perspective, in twenty nineteen, the last year of the
Bill English Funding Agreement, fifty million dollars was enough for
the whole Reserve Bank's budget. That was they used to
run the whole bank and now it's just a sort
of bolt on the side.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It's a lot of money. Thomas, jeez I okay, mate, listen,
thank you very much. You go and have yourself a
lovely Easter holiday. That's Thomas Collin, the Herald's political editor.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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