April 22, 2025 • 8 mins
Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute and Child Fund CEO Josie Pagani joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Pope Francis has passed away at the age of 88. He sparked plenty of discussion and debate in his time in the role - what did we think of him?
MetService copped some backlash over their use of the Emergency Management alerts over the weekend. Should we be able to expect better forecasts and weather warnings from our forecasters?
New research shows over half of Kiwis are feeling overwhelmed by phone notifications. What do we make of this?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones
with worldwide connections that perform not a promise on the Huddle.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute and Josephcganney, CEO of
Child Fund. Hi, you guys, Hello, Hey there, Tim you
are Yeah, I reckon you're the most prominent Catholic on
our show. So tell me what did you think of
the Pope? Did you think he was a fun time
or a bit disappointing.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Look, I'm pretty sure that he was a very devout
and humble man. You know, he used to they used
to have to prize his shoes off him because they're
full of holes. So no question he was put himself.
Actually stayed in the Vatican guest house. He didn't want
to stay in the swanky apartments. So in that sense,
very very devout and humble. I was interested in your
discussion with Sir David Moxton talking about you know, it
(00:46):
was all based on the assumption that changes God, whereas
I'm not sure, you know, if you've got a message
of love and forgiveness, why do you want to change that?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And I think you know, well I'll push back on that,
Tim because you can have a message of love, but
if you exclude women from the clergy, if you don't
want to deal with divorce people, and if you don't
want to embrace gay people, then there's not a lot
of love.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Well love, love has shown all kinds of different ways.
But love is also expressed through truth. And so if
this is what you believe to be the truth, then
then that's I think that's that's fine. And I'm just
I'm just saying that, you know, the love for tradition
and the immutability of the church. What was it last
Easter Sunday, the St. Patrick's in Auckland City baptized three
(01:27):
hundred and fifty people. The Angler I'm not don't want
to play, you know, teams against teams, but the Anglicans
got that in one year. So there's there's there's an
attraction here that's actually happening.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You do it, you're shameless.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Well, you're going to have comparisons. You've got to have
a comparison here.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
They come up.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Josie. I found him disappointing because I come from a
much more liberal perspective and so I wanted it what
he did was he did just a lot of talking
about it, right, and never actually changed anything about the
way that the Catholic Church approached these people.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Well, my family is is a classic microcosm of the
Catholic Church. So my other, who was a very naughty
boy in his twenties, is a very very orthodox Catholic
now and I'm a much more obviously liberal, not obviously,
but I'm very liberal Catholic. And he would call me
a cafe Catholic. You know, I picked the best is
that like a Catholic, Yes, Champagne Champagne, but well I'm
(02:18):
a Champagne socialist in it and a cafe Catholics. So yeah,
basically very nutritious around. But look, I do think I
know what you mean, Heather, because a lot of people
have said this that he didn't change enough. But I
think you have to understand. And both Tim and I Catholics,
and you know, and we and we share a faith,
but the church is so divided and Francis, Pope Francis
(02:39):
didn't want a civil war, so he set about to
try and avoid that, to avoid the culture wars. So
what he did was go and he's got a lovely
phrase where he said to the bishops and priests, go
and smell the sheep, which you know has something means
something likely different in New Zealand. But what he meant
by that was stay close to the people that the
church serves, you know. And that's Tim was just saying that,
(03:01):
And that was something where he just wanted to say
the church is open to everybody. Now he did. You're right, Heather.
He didn't change the doctrine on gay marriage, he didn't
change woman priests, all of the things that sort of
liberal Catholics like me would go, well, we're ready for that.
But his main his main goal was to change the
tone and the style of the Catholic Church and then
(03:22):
to have the conversation at least, but not to start
a civil war. And people like my brother, who I
adore and love dearly, was itching for a fight, so
he was trying to avoid that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, that's fair enough.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I appreciate it all the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's
international realty achieve extraordinary results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Right back of the huddle, Tim Wilson, Joe SPEGANI, Josie,
what are we going to do with met service?
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Well, there is some personal responsibility here, there isn't it?
Like if I think of my family, my son who
shall remain nameless. Carlo decided to go tramping this weekend, right,
And I found out about this afterwards, and I was like, well,
when a bloody idiot you went tramping when there was
a cyclone and a storm predicted a met service, so
(04:10):
that there's something about you know, Dulwini.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And no, no, no, no, no, Josey, don't be unfair.
He looked at it and he was like, no, he.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Looked at it and he said, this is the perfect
perfect time for me to go out.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, because he was like, the meat services, the weather's
going to be bad, therefore it's probably going to be
good because they suck at their jobs. This is what
happens when you suck at your job when you're at
the met service staffer.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Isn't it also also McDonald's burger?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
But yeah, yeah, exactly. That's all that. We can summarize
this in one word, testosterone. Get used to it, guys.
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And though there is something there is a problem here
right where we've got we don't get the warnings when
we should get the warnings and then we get the
warnings when there's actually nothing to be warned about.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, and as as I think you pointed out, the
more this happens, the more we discounted, we go, oh
is this a real warning? You know? I got I
got one what was a two o three on Saturday
and and it said this is up till twoint fifteen,
and it's like, oh, come on, are you kidding me?
And nothing was happening, and so and so. I guess
the bigger question here is what do we expect from government?
Do we actually expect the government to tell it? We
(05:12):
can search out the weather ourselves on the Internet and
determine our behavior on that basis. I don't need some
Clackson in the supermarket telling me that China may or
may not be bombing on Oh it's just a fake thunderstorm.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well that's the point is that you do have some
personal response. But I mean I checked the weather and
I wasn't going tramping. I was flying in a little plane.
But I checked the weather and couldn't see that there
was a whole bunch of rain coming. So you know
you are able to actually check the weather yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, okay, all right, Yeah, I like this. Yeah, I
like you guys are going with this in which.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, he don't expect the state to feed you, to
drip feed you everything.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, I mean, don't give me anything. Don't tell me
that we're either in this or we're not right. We're
either going to ignore them or we're going to listen
to their warnings. And if they're going to give us warnings,
and they're better be good at it. Otherwise I suppose
we're back to exactly where we started. Listen, Tim, tell me,
do the notifications on your phone overwhelming?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well they don't look they're from limit service. No, No,
I mean I thought what was really interesting about this
is we defined it in terms of anxiety, and actually
anxiety is not a bad thing because you know, you
think about your work. Anxiety that's sort of meaningful. It
actually helps you get stuff done. So you need to
actually have you know, you need to have this unmeaningful
(06:31):
anxiety or this sort of needless anxiety. Just as your
guest said, select your notifications and if you if you
guess them all, you can actually pretend to ignore people
and actually ghost them. And it's not your fault. Sorry,
I turned off my notifications.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
That's any once again, it is personal responsibility. So you
can actually go through and get rid of the risko's
notifications because in the reto no fail.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You'll miss out point.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You're missing an important point, which is the kids. Well,
everybody wants the note. We want the notifications there because
then we can get that little dopamine head and people
love us blah blah blah. But then the counter of
that is that the constant, that constant thing makes us
makes us feel bad in the long term.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Oh and a bottle of wis skin and McDonald's and
you know yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Back and given there and given given also personal responsibility.
I understand there's an unbaptized child in your house, Heather.
I could actually have a Jesuit Special Ops team around
there in twenty minutes and we could take care of
that too.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Do you want because you have been trying the longest
time out like I was. I was leaning towards the
Anglicans for a minute and you freaked out. And now
you're trying to get me to become a Catholic, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
The waters come on, the waters of the Tiber are
warm and rising, Heather, Come on, come on close me.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
And Tim so look, you've got exactly have it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
If I can be there, if I can be a
Josie type of Catholic, I well, guys, thank you very much,
really appreciated. Tim Wilson, Joseph GANI.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen to news Talks.
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones
with worldwide connections that perform not a promise on the Huddle.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute and Josephcganney, CEO of
Child Fund. Hi, you guys, Hello, Hey there, Tim you
are Yeah, I reckon you're the most prominent Catholic on
our show. So tell me what did you think of
the Pope? Did you think he was a fun time
or a bit disappointing.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I thought it was.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Look, I'm pretty sure that he was a very devout
and humble man. You know, he used to they used
to have to prize his shoes off him because they're
full of holes. So no question he was put himself.
Actually stayed in the Vatican guest house. He didn't want
to stay in the swanky apartments. So in that sense,
very very devout and humble. I was interested in your
discussion with Sir David Moxton talking about you know, it
(00:46):
was all based on the assumption that changes God, whereas
I'm not sure, you know, if you've got a message
of love and forgiveness, why do you want to change that?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And I think you know, well I'll push back on that,
Tim because you can have a message of love, but
if you exclude women from the clergy, if you don't
want to deal with divorce people, and if you don't
want to embrace gay people, then there's not a lot
of love.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Well love, love has shown all kinds of different ways.
But love is also expressed through truth. And so if
this is what you believe to be the truth, then
then that's I think that's that's fine. And I'm just
I'm just saying that, you know, the love for tradition
and the immutability of the church. What was it last
Easter Sunday, the St. Patrick's in Auckland City baptized three
(01:27):
hundred and fifty people. The Angler I'm not don't want
to play, you know, teams against teams, but the Anglicans
got that in one year. So there's there's there's an
attraction here that's actually happening.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You do it, you're shameless.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Well, you're going to have comparisons. You've got to have
a comparison here.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
They come up.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Josie. I found him disappointing because I come from a
much more liberal perspective and so I wanted it what
he did was he did just a lot of talking
about it, right, and never actually changed anything about the
way that the Catholic Church approached these people.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Well, my family is is a classic microcosm of the
Catholic Church. So my other, who was a very naughty
boy in his twenties, is a very very orthodox Catholic
now and I'm a much more obviously liberal, not obviously,
but I'm very liberal Catholic. And he would call me
a cafe Catholic. You know, I picked the best is
that like a Catholic, Yes, Champagne Champagne, but well I'm
(02:18):
a Champagne socialist in it and a cafe Catholics. So yeah,
basically very nutritious around. But look, I do think I
know what you mean, Heather, because a lot of people
have said this that he didn't change enough. But I
think you have to understand. And both Tim and I Catholics,
and you know, and we and we share a faith,
but the church is so divided and Francis, Pope Francis
(02:39):
didn't want a civil war, so he set about to
try and avoid that, to avoid the culture wars. So
what he did was go and he's got a lovely
phrase where he said to the bishops and priests, go
and smell the sheep, which you know has something means
something likely different in New Zealand. But what he meant
by that was stay close to the people that the
church serves, you know. And that's Tim was just saying that,
(03:01):
And that was something where he just wanted to say
the church is open to everybody. Now he did. You're right, Heather.
He didn't change the doctrine on gay marriage, he didn't
change woman priests, all of the things that sort of
liberal Catholics like me would go, well, we're ready for that.
But his main his main goal was to change the
tone and the style of the Catholic Church and then
(03:22):
to have the conversation at least, but not to start
a civil war. And people like my brother, who I
adore and love dearly, was itching for a fight, so
he was trying to avoid that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, that's fair enough.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I appreciate it all the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's
international realty achieve extraordinary results with unparallel reach.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Right back of the huddle, Tim Wilson, Joe SPEGANI, Josie,
what are we going to do with met service?
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Well, there is some personal responsibility here, there isn't it?
Like if I think of my family, my son who
shall remain nameless. Carlo decided to go tramping this weekend, right,
And I found out about this afterwards, and I was like, well,
when a bloody idiot you went tramping when there was
a cyclone and a storm predicted a met service, so
(04:10):
that there's something about you know, Dulwini.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And no, no, no, no, no, Josey, don't be unfair.
He looked at it and he was like, no, he.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Looked at it and he said, this is the perfect
perfect time for me to go out.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, because he was like, the meat services, the weather's
going to be bad, therefore it's probably going to be
good because they suck at their jobs. This is what
happens when you suck at your job when you're at
the met service staffer.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Isn't it also also McDonald's burger?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
But yeah, yeah, exactly. That's all that. We can summarize
this in one word, testosterone. Get used to it, guys.
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
And though there is something there is a problem here
right where we've got we don't get the warnings when
we should get the warnings and then we get the
warnings when there's actually nothing to be warned about.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, and as as I think you pointed out, the
more this happens, the more we discounted, we go, oh
is this a real warning? You know? I got I
got one what was a two o three on Saturday
and and it said this is up till twoint fifteen,
and it's like, oh, come on, are you kidding me?
And nothing was happening, and so and so. I guess
the bigger question here is what do we expect from government?
Do we actually expect the government to tell it? We
(05:12):
can search out the weather ourselves on the Internet and
determine our behavior on that basis. I don't need some
Clackson in the supermarket telling me that China may or
may not be bombing on Oh it's just a fake thunderstorm.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Well that's the point is that you do have some
personal response. But I mean I checked the weather and
I wasn't going tramping. I was flying in a little plane.
But I checked the weather and couldn't see that there
was a whole bunch of rain coming. So you know
you are able to actually check the weather yourself.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, okay, all right, Yeah, I like this. Yeah, I
like you guys are going with this in which.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Well, he don't expect the state to feed you, to
drip feed you everything.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Well, I mean, don't give me anything. Don't tell me
that we're either in this or we're not right. We're
either going to ignore them or we're going to listen
to their warnings. And if they're going to give us warnings,
and they're better be good at it. Otherwise I suppose
we're back to exactly where we started. Listen, Tim, tell me,
do the notifications on your phone overwhelming?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well they don't look they're from limit service. No, No,
I mean I thought what was really interesting about this
is we defined it in terms of anxiety, and actually
anxiety is not a bad thing because you know, you
think about your work. Anxiety that's sort of meaningful. It
actually helps you get stuff done. So you need to
actually have you know, you need to have this unmeaningful
(06:31):
anxiety or this sort of needless anxiety. Just as your
guest said, select your notifications and if you if you
guess them all, you can actually pretend to ignore people
and actually ghost them. And it's not your fault. Sorry,
I turned off my notifications.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
That's any once again, it is personal responsibility. So you
can actually go through and get rid of the risko's
notifications because in the reto no fail.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
You'll miss out point.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You're missing an important point, which is the kids. Well,
everybody wants the note. We want the notifications there because
then we can get that little dopamine head and people
love us blah blah blah. But then the counter of
that is that the constant, that constant thing makes us
makes us feel bad in the long term.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Oh and a bottle of wis skin and McDonald's and
you know yourself.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Back and given there and given given also personal responsibility.
I understand there's an unbaptized child in your house, Heather.
I could actually have a Jesuit Special Ops team around
there in twenty minutes and we could take care of
that too.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Do you want because you have been trying the longest
time out like I was. I was leaning towards the
Anglicans for a minute and you freaked out. And now
you're trying to get me to become a Catholic, aren't you.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
The waters come on, the waters of the Tiber are
warm and rising, Heather, Come on, come on close me.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
And Tim so look, you've got exactly have it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
If I can be there, if I can be a
Josie type of Catholic, I well, guys, thank you very much,
really appreciated. Tim Wilson, Joseph GANI.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen to news Talks.
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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