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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Another Questions, answers, facts analysis, The Drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Dupicylan Drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Afternoon.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Nicko Lewillis on
her tight budget, meyoral candidate Ray Chung on Tory Faro
dropping out of the Wellington race, and we're going to
get you the latest from Canada as their results roll in.

Speaker 5 (00:29):
Heather dup c Allen.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
If nick and Lewillis can pull this budget off, I'll
tell you what, it's going to be impressive because she's
written a budget by the looks of things that are
so tight. There is basically no new money.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Now.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
If you haven't caught up on this, Nikola Willis gave
a speech this morning in which she announced that she
was going to cut back her new spending in this
budget hugely.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
So.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Her original plan was to give herself two point four
billion dollars extra this is new money to be able
to spend this budget. Now she has just announced today
she's basically going to cut that in half. It's going
to go from two point four billion down to one
point three billion. Now, the last time a finance minister
had that little to play with was all the vay
back in twenty fifteen, when Bill English only gave himself
one billion dollars in new spending that year, but gets

(01:10):
even tighter than that because all of that money is
already spoken for last year's budget. I don't know if
you remember this, but last year's budget promised that this
year's budget would spend an extra one point four billion
dollars on health, which basically means that her one point
three billion dollars in new spending is already gone on
that one point four billion dollar health promise. And then

(01:32):
on top of that, she still has to find one
hundred million dollars an extra spending just to make up
the difference, right, But not only that, she also has
to find another one hundred and fifty million dollars because
do you remember, middleway through last year, they announced twenty
six new cancer drugs amongst various other drugs, and they
had to find the money for it and would come
in this budget. So that's another one hundred and fifty
million dollars. So what that means is she's actually got

(01:53):
no new spending, there is no extra money. In fact,
she is in the deficit. Add those two together. She's
got to go and find two hundred and fifty million
dollars just to square things up. And you know where
she's going to find that, don't you. She is going
to find that by cutting public spending and other places,
which I'm stoked about, because you do not need me
to tell you that the public service has got bloated

(02:14):
and that the spending of tax payer money by central
government happens way too easily, especially after Grant Robertson's free
for all for years. And basically what I think is
going through spending with a fine toothcomb and cutting what
isn't necessary or what isn't good is actually not a
bad thing. It is just good for school discipline. To
do that from time to time in the country will
be better off for it. So I, for one and
pleased that we will not for once be going to

(02:36):
this year's budget wondering what we're all going to get
out of the lolly scramble. Instead, we're going to be
wondering how much has been cut and from where? Which
is a good thing?

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Together? Do for ce ellens welcome to.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Give me your thoughts on that. Nicholas with us after five,
it's nine two ninety two. It's the text number and
standard text fees apply. Now, Mayor's it turns out, and
not loving the fact that David Seymour has asked them
to help him get school attendance up. So you'll be
aware that yesterday he publicly asked the country's mayors to
keep an eye on his new school attendance dashboard and
then lead a conversation in their communities about how to

(03:09):
get the kids attending school a little bit more and
so on. Anita Baker is put it to his man
is with us? Now, Hey, Anita, Hello, So I see
there are quite a few mayors who've said they're not
stoked about this. Are you one of them?

Speaker 6 (03:20):
I'm not stoked about it. We do a lot with
our schools already. We're on top of working with our
schools and our young children. And the Prime Minister and
the local government form minister told us to stick to
our knitting, do our course course services. So if he
wants to play us a formal role, I think he
needs to look at funding us. Did he came is it?

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Because I had a look at what he said, it
was pretty nebulous. So it was a bit vague. It's
not it doesn't seem like it's there's no actual request there.
He's just asking you to sort of just keep an
eye on the kids going to school.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
It made it sound like he didn't know what we
actually did already, and that we'd already work with the
schools and we have programs with them. So I just
thought it was a bit iffy on from his side.
He could have picked the phone up and spoken to
a few of us, worked out what was going in
the region.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
What do you do with the schools, how do you.

Speaker 6 (04:08):
Well, we have a school bus that goes to the
lobberdcol schools that's funded. We have a ma hearing, a
taching program which starts, and we have twelve kids that
come into council for ten weeks one day a week
and we do training with them. This month, there is
a try challenge that they're running, the Careers Expo, the
Pacific Symposium. All our services work together around our children

(04:31):
and party of us. So I just don't think he
realizes what we actually do.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
So Anita, you can tell me if I'm wrong. But
the vibe I got from his as I say, pretty
wooly and vague request. Was It felt to me like
he was basically just saying, hey, listen, if you guys
see and not just you as the mayor, but leading
but the communities led by the mayors. You guys see
kids wandering around during school hours, tell them to get
back to school. Let's all start being adults keeping an

(04:55):
eye on each other's kids and telling everybody's kids to
go back to school. Was that the vibe you?

Speaker 7 (05:01):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (05:01):
It was?

Speaker 6 (05:01):
And it was looking at those numbers every day, and
I thought, I haven't got time to look at the numbers.
We've already got truancy offices that go around, especially in
our colleges, that take them back. I don't see many
kids wandering around in our community. We have wardens down
at the train stations so that we don't have any
issues after school. So I haven't seen it is a
huge issue that he's talking about.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Yeah, okay, what is your what's your attendance rate? Like
in Portador?

Speaker 6 (05:24):
I haven't looked it up. To be fair, I've been
homesick all day and I haven't even loved.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
I'll so you yourself are truant.

Speaker 6 (05:32):
As it turns out, I I've slept the fifteen.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Now, sorry, wrong with you?

Speaker 8 (05:36):
Have you got COVID?

Speaker 6 (05:37):
I think no, I tested. I'm sure it's a touch
of the flu and I'll be back tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Oh jeez, no, the flu takes you out for longer
than that. Listen, Anita, thanks very much, really appreciate your time.
Anita Baker Portado is mayor christ Wish mayor. Film Major
seems to be one of the ones leading the opposition
to this in a big way. He said, it's a
bit rich of the government to make a request like
this after they've previously told counsels to go back to basics.
And Nick MiNet he's going to be the one cooking
the school lunches and he's not keen on that. Thirteen

(06:01):
past four, it's the.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
by News Talk Zepp.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Quarter Past Darcy Watergrave sports talk hosters with me Darcy.

Speaker 9 (06:14):
Hello, Hello, Heather.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
So what's the problem that we have eighteen yellow cards
in the last round of the NRL.

Speaker 10 (06:20):
They're saying that the NRL are cracking down at the
higher level and telling the referees you've got to watch
the head contact because this is not good for our sport.
He can't have guys dribbling into a cup at the
age of forty, so let's start policing it. And then
I said no, not no, not no, it's just like normal.

(06:40):
We always do this. Yeah, Bill Harrigan's going to join us.
Do you remember Bill Harrigan from back in the days,
the health syen days of rugby league where they'd take
heads off freely without even thinking about it.

Speaker 9 (06:51):
What does Bell reckon one of the best?

Speaker 10 (06:52):
Well you find out after seven o'clock tonight when he
joins us to talk.

Speaker 9 (06:55):
About it, is a lot of cards.

Speaker 10 (06:57):
It's a really interesting debate around the fine balance between
keeping the punters entertained, the people that pay for the tickets,
and the people that pay for their subscription, and then
also duty of care for the players too, because Lee's
rapidly going on the line that rugby used to go
along where you spend most of your time with you know,

(07:18):
your finger up your nose picking waiting for something to
actually happen. Because they're going through replay after replay after
replay after re to the bunker that the dead. Then
they seem players and it they bring them back. It's
a bit messy. So Bill's going to join us talk
about is there actually a solution to this, because we
need to look after the players' heads, no doubt. But

(07:39):
it is a high speed contact sport and you make.

Speaker 9 (07:43):
Omelooks, what do you do? You break eggs.

Speaker 10 (07:45):
It's going to happen from time to time. So are
they going over the top as far as their policing
of head high cost?

Speaker 4 (07:52):
The problem is, though what happened with rugby. What's frustrating
as a viewer with rugby is that what the penalizing
is often just a mistake. Right, So I'm totally fine
if you penalize somebody who has quite deliberately gone for
a head high or something like that.

Speaker 10 (08:06):
But if it's just well, they players sliding into tackles
and then they get on report, they get marks for a.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
Yelling and hold NRL. Is it the same thing that's happening.

Speaker 10 (08:14):
Yeah, So they want to have a situation where the
referee has that control increasing and thinking, well, if it's
obvious to them, go for it. If it may have
been a slip or I know, and it might have
to go, and it might have to go, well, just
let them deal with it after the game and of course
the argument there as well. If somebody transgresses and they

(08:34):
don't get binned and it gets put on report, that
means the team they transgress against doesn't get the advantage.
But I think if players and teams know that's the
way things roll, they'll live with it. Everybody's going to
win and anyone's going to lose. So it's a lot though,
what do they have, like eighteen sending holes over the weekend.
That's a lot of bin time. Und I don't want

(08:57):
to do this, although most of them have pleaded guilty.

Speaker 9 (09:00):
Right now, I did it? Give me the fount.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Have you seen this? This combat sport run it?

Speaker 9 (09:04):
Yes, it's not really a combat.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
This is them just literally running at each other.

Speaker 11 (09:09):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (09:10):
The Herald have got a really interesting video where there's
an amateur version of it and a guy got cleaned
out and he's lying on the ground convulsion.

Speaker 9 (09:18):
It's really horrible to watch.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
What do they hit each other with? Which part of
the body, their.

Speaker 10 (09:22):
Bodies, their heads, they're not bison.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
So it's two vertical people running run at each other,
trying to get an advantage and tackle you back over again.

Speaker 10 (09:32):
Now there's a pro version of it that I believe
is coming to New Zealand where they've got professional athletes
involved in.

Speaker 4 (09:38):
Point of the sport is to run at each other
without breaking speed full speed.

Speaker 10 (09:43):
Run out each other, I mean, get the advantage and
push the other guy back.

Speaker 9 (09:46):
And I don't know.

Speaker 10 (09:49):
I don't know because people are always looking for something
to people. Well, you remember power slack, Yes, powerslap, the
you go guys can kind of defend each other.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Broke you, I broke you. You were midst what you're saying.
There's some professionals doing this.

Speaker 10 (10:09):
While it's coming to town. It's in Australia. I think
it's coming to New Zealand as well. But you've got
some former NRL athletes loaned up who know all about
running harder people.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Problem as they does death. I'll tell you what, the
brain injury. Life is too easy for us. We don't
get taken out by wars for the most part anymore.
In the in the modern world, we don't really die
of hunger or starvation or that many diseases.

Speaker 10 (10:33):
Very first world of you here, there's a lot of
people suffer all of that.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
There's not enough there's not enough risk in life. So
we're going to find it both running into each other.

Speaker 10 (10:42):
Promoters. It's promoters. How can I make some money? I
reckon guys running at each other will be all I
don't know what's going to happen next.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's a bull rush. Somebody just text and said it's
bull rush.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Bull rush.

Speaker 10 (10:52):
Though you won't remember the healthy end days of bull rush,
whereas I went to primary school in the seventeen out
by the time I used to live on but I
love bull rush, to play piggyback bull rush, and the
biggest kid in school was my best mate, and I
was the smallest kid in school. So we're impossible to
bring down because he was so huge and I was
so light. We just went straight over people. But the
regular ball, it's a group running at one person, they

(11:13):
get tackled. Then it's a group running at three people,
then they get tacked. This is just one on one.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Oh man, Okay, Darcy listen, thank you. I'm constantly surprised.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
How can be?

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Darcy water Grave sports talkhost, will be back at seven
o'clock here on News Talks ATB for twenty.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
One, getting the facts discarding the fluff. It's Heather Duplicy
Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
News talks b Heather on this business. This is the
runner thing. I watched a round of run at last night.
The dude with the ball got Oh, they have a ball,
so at least there's some skill involved the holding a ball.
The dude with the ball got hit so hard he
was out cold, shaking in a seizure on the ground,
throwing out sign language. Plus, the wife's boss used to
play NRL and at thirty two can't remember a thing
before the age of twelve. Jesuit's rofe, Ryan, thank you

(11:58):
for that. It's twenty five, all past four. Listen, Murray
Olds is going to be us shortly. Do you remember
the mushroom chef? It's day one of her trial today
and I for one cannot wait to hear that. This
was scintillating, bizarre, wasn't it. So Murray Old's will talk
us through it when he's with us in about ten
minutes time now. Tory Tory Farno has decided she's quitting

(12:19):
the mayoral race in Wellington. She's announced she's not going
to be running and she went on on the radio
as she has done in the past with Nick Mills
down in Wellington today and nick Asta, how do you
reckon you've done as mayor? And this is what she said.

Speaker 12 (12:33):
I'd give myself a nine out of ten.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
Just take a moment just to yep absolute that. Now
I don't know what planet she's living on, but delusion
is a hell of a drug, isn't it? And speaking
of delusion, it doesn't end there. You wait to hear
what she's doing next. So first of all, she's going
to be running in the Maldi ward for counsel. Now
probably there's a bunch of like we can we can
spend hours talking about the political, strategic, green reasons why

(13:00):
she's doing this, and there will be a lot going
on there. But also it will be because we mate
who was in there before, he with the awesome outfits.
What was his name, Niko Weinerra. He's standing down, so
it's basically I'm contested, isn't it. So she's going to
take his spot. So it's probably the first reason why
she's picked it because she's like, got Nico standing down,
so I can probably take that one. So she says

(13:20):
she wants to do two more terms in council in
that seat, and then she wants to go to parliament.

Speaker 12 (13:27):
I'm a politician. I love legislation and policy and events,
so it makes sense that later on I would make
a move to parliament, but I have absolutely no plan
to do that anytime soon.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
But wait, it's not just parliament. She also said, I
love people, so it's a natural pathway for me to
go to Parliament and become a minister. So we're going
straight to being a minister, are we We're just we're
just going to go into parliament. It's going to become
a minister, hopefully not ever. And just FYI, before you
become a minister, your party, the Greens, actually have to
be in government with ministerial positions, and that doesn't happen

(13:59):
a lot to the Greens for obvious reasons anyway. So
the trouble for Wellington is that while Tory is gone,
her bad ideas are not gone. Andrew Little, who is
most likely going to be the next mayor of Wellington,
has said that he will honor any contracts for the
Golden Mile that are already signed. So what is she
going to do. She is going to sign as many

(14:20):
contracts as she possibly can before her time is up.

Speaker 12 (14:23):
I have a duty as mayor to do what I
was elected to do and what I said I would.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
And Andrew Little might not like that, but who cares
what he thinks.

Speaker 13 (14:33):
I'm committed to this.

Speaker 12 (14:34):
And Andrew isn't on counsel yet, so if he's going
to make any demands, he'll just have to wait.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Wow. Just there's a lot going on. I mean there's
a lot going on there anyway, So we're not going
to talk. Well, we asked Tory, We said, Tory, do
you want to come on the show? Tory was like
absolutely not. And to be honest, that's a good strategic
decision from her because I'm not a fan and she
will know that. Anyway, We're going to talk to Ray Young.
He's also running for mayor or for mayor in Wellings's.

(15:03):
Here'll be with us after five o'clock. Hither Nikola Willis
needs to go back to the Reserve Bank and cut more,
only peering them back to one fifty. Excuse me, she
boosted them to one fifty million a year. I'm not
I did not come down with the last shower. I'm
not buying the pr She boosted them to one fifty,
only cutting them back to one fifty, which is where
they were a year ago. Is hopeless, Yes, exactly, and
just by by way of making my point for me right,

(15:26):
there is a lot of wasteful spending a government that
needs to be trimmed back, and the Reserve Bank appears
to be a prime example of it. What do you think?
Headline's next?

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected the news talks.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
That'd be normal, funny.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I'm the DEVI shide WI the downtown. Yes, there's a
party downtown.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Everybody find you.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
If you think Chifney was having a go at you
in the news, I've got quite a few texts saying this.
I don't know. So we're going to go and have
a listening. We're going to go and absolute, We're absolutely
going to sort of like go through it word by
word and then we'll come back to you. And whether
he was having a crack at me, I doubt it
very much. I don't think she thinks about me all
the time. I think about him all the time. Obviously,
much of it is because I'm still triggered by what

(16:22):
he did. But anyway, hither, I think Tory Farno needs
to add another zero to that ten figure from her
mayoralty rating, so it goes to nine out of one hundred,
which I think we would all agree is more accurate.
Now I don't know if you realize this, but the
person who broke the story that she's pulling out is
our very own Thomas Coglan, who will bear thus in
ten minutes out of the beehive, out of Parliament anyway,
the press Galery, so we have a chat to him
shortly about that. And Murray Old standing by out of

(16:45):
Australia twenty four away from five.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
It's the world wires on youth Talks, Eddy Drive.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Canadian media have called a Liberal Party victory in the
country's election. Mark Carney is said to become the Prime
ministau or remain the prime minister actually, but we do
don't yet know whether he'll be leading a minority or
a majority government. Leslie Church of the Liberal Party spoke
to the CBC after she managed to win the seat
of Toronto Saint Paul's off the Conservatives.

Speaker 14 (17:09):
Donald Trump I think has really set the stakes for
the selection in a way that people understood at the
doors and the change of leadership.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Mark Harney came in as a fresh, new, experienced leader
for the Liberal Party and I think people.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
Were looking for that too.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
However, to Europe, power has largely been restored in Spain
and Portugal after tens of millions were left in the
dark earlier. Here's the moment the power came back on
in Madrid. The Spanish Prime Minister says the cause of
the outage is still being investigated, and the Portuguese Prime
Minister said there was no indication it was a cyber attack.
Now to Australia, Ozzie is also firmly in the grip

(17:47):
of election season. Of course, today the Prime Minister Albow
and a few of his cabinet ministers have donned their
Hiver's vests and their hard hats to talk about all
the houses that they're building in Brisbane, and the Treasurer
Jim Chalmers has had a go at the opposition.

Speaker 15 (17:58):
To they've made it about sixty two billion dollars in commitments.

Speaker 9 (18:03):
That's before you get to the six.

Speaker 15 (18:05):
Hundred billion dollars of nuclear reactors. Peter Dutton needs to
come clean on his secret costs and his savage cuts
which will make Australians worse off.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
And finally, a speedboat in Arizona has gone airborne and
done an uncontrolled black backflip through the air at a
speed of get this, three hundred and twenty one k's
an hour.

Speaker 16 (18:26):
Now.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
The boat was competing in a high speed event where
the goal was to post the highest top speed possible. Miraculously,
both of the boat's drivers survived the backflip and the
crash landing, and the boat did cross the finish line,
so they also won the event.

Speaker 17 (18:39):
I also want to give a shout out to the
fire Department, the sheriff, the dive team and the Desert
Storm crew for acting quickly. We heard that they had
divers in the water within twenty seconds on the boat
so got the.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Driver's out safely. We really appreciate that.

Speaker 17 (18:54):
I can't thank those guys in the bottom line, as
we still won the race.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
International correspondence with ends an eye insurance peace of mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Murray Old's Ossie correspondents. But that's now, hey Mars, very
good afternoon. Haven't so this coppers shot the attacker at
Bondi Junction.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
What they say, well, it's pretty extraordinary stuff, to be honest.
The inquest opened yesterday. We heard in the opening address
basically the man who carried out this attack, a forty
year old guy called Joel Cauchi, hadn't been treated for
acute schizophrena for five years. The Queensland authorities basically told

(19:31):
him to self determine if he needed any medication, and
he just went off the radar for five years, living
rough in Sydney and looking up dreadful stuff on the
Internet about stabbing attacks and mass murder and the like. Anyway,
on that Saturday afternoon, those who know Sydney, the Eastern
Suburbs Westfield Bondai Junction, very very big center, and it

(19:51):
was packed and Joel Couchi's arrived, pulled out a knife
and just gone crazy for three minutes. Six people dead,
ten others very badly injured. Anyway, Amy Scott is a
New South Wales police inspector. She was nearby when she
had this. All the units, all the units, Eastern Suburbs.

(20:12):
Any car, we're getting multiple calls about multiple stabbings. Get
to Bondai Junction. She's gone straight there, see only a
few minutes away in the patrol car anyway out the front.
There's everyone's pouring out of a center because this guy's
going crazy. On the fifth level, she's pulled over by
two French guys and a third fellow and they say
we know where he is. She says, right, follow me.

(20:33):
Out comes the weapon. They go roaring inside up the escalators,
and within a moment or two she's face to face
with his Joel catchy fellow. Now she's looking at him,
he's looking at her. Behind him, she can see a
baby's pram and a couple of women, one of whom's
hiding behind a pot plat. She mouths to one of

(20:54):
the women, run, run, run, and this guy turns around,
looks at the police. She's an inspector, pretty experienced. He
just decides I'm going to charge right at her at
the police inspector. Well, bang bang, bang, three shots and
he's down. He's fatally injured. So all of this in
a matter of minutes. And if I'm not just telling

(21:15):
you this, it's like a movie hitter, or it's like
something on television, but it's real. This guy was not treated.
Acute mental illness on the streets spun out and there
all these people died all these people very very badly wounded.
Now he's dead. And this woman her self, she acknowledged
when she began she began giving evidence, acknowledged the pain

(21:36):
and the trauma, all the hurt that the people involved
had suffered. And she actually said, you know what I'm
suffering as well. She's got something like PTSD or something
along those lines, apparently, so as you would expect, I guess.
So that looked much more evidence to come. But it's
it's pretty harrowing stuff, it must be said.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, And then you've also got the trial, Day one
of the trial of the mushroom chef.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
That's right, Aaron Pattison, and she's fifty years old. Everyone
knows they are. Nearly two years ago, four people turn
up at her place for lunch, her ex in laws
and the sister of one and that the sister's husband.
Four people sitting down for a beef Wellington lunch and
three of them die from it. Now she's accused of
three counts of murder. She's denied it, of course, And

(22:21):
in all this time, the prosecution getting itself ready for
this case. Five to six weeks they say it's going
to run today. Procedure or really heather. Around one hundred
and twenty locals. The trials being held out in East Gippsland,
east of Melbourne. Around one hundred and twenty locals were
summoned for jury duty. A large pool was whittled down

(22:41):
via a random ballot. Now fifteen jurors. You've got the
twelve and the jury plus three alternates and the jury
panel will get some instructions we understand from Justice Bale
in about twenty minutes from now. So this represents the
start of the trial. And I can tell you there's
global interest in this in this case right around the
people are just fascinated by it.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Have they got international news crews there as far?

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Look, I heard that this morning. I've not been down there.
I don't know. I heard it on one of the
news bullets that you know, BBC parenties down there. You've got,
I mean everything in Australia is represented, but I understand
the BBC's there as well.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah, that's fascinating. Okay, Hey listen, does it sound to
you like the NRL is standing by these welcome to
country ceremonies one hundred.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
If you look at the playing roster you've got, you've
got Maldi. You've got Polynesians, You've got you know, every
shade of of of of color under the sun. You're
not going to drop. That's part of the DNA of
the of the National Rugby League. And it was last
Friday when Peter Dutton was asked about this idiot who booed,
this right wing neo nazi who booed the welcome to
country at the ANZAC dawn service in Melbourne. He said,

(23:50):
that's disgraceful. Of course that welcome the Country should take place,
but it flip flopped on Monday said no, no, no, I
think it's it's well overdone. It's well overdone. And look,
I don't think any of the service people, servicemen and
women like it very much either. Well, hello, this morning
I come out and said, well, yes we do, Peter,
thanks very much. And the NRL with the Magic Round

(24:11):
that's coming up this weekend up in Brisbane. The NRL says, listen,
of course it's part of our program, but it's always
going to be part of our program. So many of
our players are indigenous, so many of our players it
means a lot to them. Is it such a big deal?
They're simply saying welcome to Indigenous country. We've been here
for sixty five thousand years. And that's been the problem
with Peter Dutton's campaign. He gets sidetracked on these kind

(24:33):
of cultural war issues about being woke and all the
rest of that nonsense. If he'd stuck to cost a
living from the start, he might be able to have
a bit of chance for success on Saturday that he's
currently looking at.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah, interesting stuff, Murray, thank you very much, really appreciate
it's Murray Old's our Australia correspondents. Hither buggerbe Nichola willis
bloody tough job. I hope One News aren't going to
crucify her. That's from us now. I don't know are
One News in particular going to crucify her or is
she just going to have hard time from absolutely all
the media because let me tell you this now, I
make this prediction right. It's going to be painted as

(25:06):
an austerity budget and then she's going to be the
mean guy for cutting all the money. And you just
hundred percent this is a narrative that's going to take hold.
This is the very thing that we need to do
as a country's pair back our spending. But she'll be
the mean guy for doing it, and she'll be austerity anyway.
Thomas Coglan out of press galleries with us.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Next, it's quarter two politics with centrics. Credit, check your
customers and get payments certainty.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political editors with us. Thomas Hallo here,
good afternoon. Nicola can pull this off. It's impressive, right.

Speaker 18 (25:35):
Yeah, this is this is really consequential. I think. I
mean this this operating allowance, that's the name we give
to the new discretionary spending reduced from two point four
billion dollars to just one point three billion dollars. It's
the smallest amount of new spending in a decade, So
you'd have to go back to the bill English budget
to get one the small And basically what that means

(25:55):
is that in order to get the books back into
surplus to start paying down the debt, Nicola Willis has
decided to make the departments basically metabolize their own spending.
If you need extra money in your department, if you're
a chief executive, you're going to have to sort of
have a one in one out policy cutting something somewhere
in order to pay for something. Somewhere else. It's quite
it's quite big, and I think I took a lot

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a lot of people, including myself by surprise.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Well, what it says to us is that, I mean,
is it possible because it feels like the cuts that
this will require will run deeper than the cuts that
we saw last budget.

Speaker 18 (26:29):
Yes. I think when you think about the cuts last budget,
you know that the government got its feet under the
desk and December twenty three and they basically said to
the public service, look fine, six and a half percent
to seven and a half percent of your baseline and
then get rid of it. And it was pretty quick,
pretty pretty blunt. I guess this time around, I think
they've done a deeper look into departmental spending and they've

(26:52):
actually been I think from what I'm sort of hearing it,
they've been quite sort of specific. They've locked to a
line of spending and said right rid of that or
maybe you know, tweak it like this to save some money.
And I think because of that, what you'll probably see
on budget Day twenty second of May is you'll see
larger line items that that are that are freeing up funding.

(27:14):
So you might see two hundred million dollars freed up
from here, three hundred million dollars freed up from from there.
That that that sort of feels like we might be
heading in that direction rather than just reducing services.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
Yeah, and so are you hearing a new rumors about
what is being cut?

Speaker 18 (27:30):
Well, I did. I did have a discussion with with
my colleague Gena Timsarini, who comes on your show a
bit with Nikola Willison December last year. Now, now she
was talking in the hypothetical, so just you know, putting
that out there. But but there we had a discussion
about means testing certain things. The Best Art Payment, that's
the payment to new parents that goes to every every
new parent. Ian Rennie has also spoken. The Treasury Secretary

(27:54):
has mentioned things like the key we save a subsidies.
I think it's up to five hundred and twenty dollars
a year that with the cup it s means a
billion dollars a year on that, So you could means
test that as well. Again, obviously these are all hypotheticals
that haven't been confirmed. And the other one I suppose
would be the Winter Energy payment. I think that's about
half a billion dollars is spent on that again, Hold on.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Take okake. Here's the argument that the argument has always been
mounted is that that the admin that it takes to
means test is so expensive that you actually end up
saving very little.

Speaker 18 (28:24):
Yes, yeah, do you put the.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Onus on the person to prove that they actually qualify
for it?

Speaker 18 (28:30):
Oh gosh, you're getting you.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
Know what I mean? Like, if you the government have
to prove that they don't qualify, then the costers on you.
But if you now say you have to prove to me,
look what the government has just done with this the
rebate that they've given to the child test stuff.

Speaker 18 (28:43):
Right to repeat that cake No.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
But you know, like Thomas, they have made it so
difficult to get that money back because you've got to
collect your invoices for three months and then you've got
to do all the paper because it's so hard that
heaps people just don't do it right. So you could
do the same thing with the best start payments. You
could do the same thing with with the winter energy payments,
couldn't you?

Speaker 3 (29:02):
You see?

Speaker 18 (29:02):
I think I think in the cases of I mean,
you're quite right, and I think I think the government
would never again look to do a rebate style thing
like best start based on the experience. I mean, this
is speculation what they've had this year. I think if
you're looking on the key we save a key, we
save a winter energy payment and and the and and
ab start payment, you could probably means test that by

(29:24):
income testing it. And that would be much easier because
the ID he has all of our incomes, and it
would be an easier thing to to do this.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
And I need to talk to you about Toy now.
Tory has been an abys objectively has been an abysmal
failure as the Wellington mayor. Are the Greens really going
to let her come in on their list?

Speaker 18 (29:43):
Look, I'm going to give you a controversial take to
to give give people something to text in about. I
I actually think Tory. I think the future will probably
treat her more kindly than the present. I think certainly
the rates increases have been I think probably excessive. I

(30:04):
personally I think the airport's say a idea wasn't a
terrible idea, but I think that I think the water investment,
which has been undermined by Wellington waters bungling, is actually
you know, a pretty positive thing.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
You have to be drag kicking and screaming to that carry.

Speaker 18 (30:17):
On, and I think I mean that. I think a
large part of the negative sentiment is probably to do
with the town Hall and the Central Library blowing a
hole in central Wellington, and i'll.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Do with her being a boozer in public.

Speaker 18 (30:32):
Well I would I think that that is that. I mean, yes,
I think that is that is that is certainly not
helping the pro Tory case thromas when.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
You stop talking right now, and we're going to call
your colleagues and we're going to ask them to take
your temperature and just just make sure that you're not sick,
because I.

Speaker 18 (30:52):
Look, it's not a it's not a ten out of
team mirror too, or even perhaps a nine out of team,
which is what she's saying on the rail.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Anyway, Listen, they're listening. Tell them to come.

Speaker 18 (31:01):
Immediately, all right, I'll.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Panadole and just lay you down because we think they
were not well.

Speaker 18 (31:07):
I'll get Jason to bring up them back.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Most okay, Thomas listens, thank you, go have a lie down.
I appreciate it. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's Political edit. So
I don't know what's happened to him. Seven away from
five putting.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

Speaker 19 (31:20):
Breakfast, what are difference government makes? Say under labor Literally
nobody got tossed out of a caying or a house,
no matter how bad the behavior got. Under the current government,
we're up to two hundred and ninety nine tenancies terminate
a litigation. Lawyer Deana thorns with us on this.

Speaker 20 (31:32):
It's a significant improvement.

Speaker 14 (31:33):
I had a lot of people contacting me affected by.

Speaker 20 (31:36):
Them, and I did some rough calculations.

Speaker 12 (31:38):
I thought the figure that needed to be a victis
with their thousand.

Speaker 20 (31:41):
Let's be clear. The media like to call this anti social.

Speaker 19 (31:43):
It's a good political word.

Speaker 11 (31:44):
I'm talking about people doing really.

Speaker 12 (31:46):
Agregous violence, stuff that is threatening.

Speaker 20 (31:49):
To their names.

Speaker 12 (31:50):
And I spoke to a lovely old lady who said
to me, I can't have my grandchildren do the thing.

Speaker 20 (31:53):
We're talking the worst of the worst.

Speaker 19 (31:55):
Back tomorrow at six am, the mic hosking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the laugh News.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Talk zaid, be here the what has Thomas been smoking?
Can I get some hither? Thomas needs to grow up?
Herether Thomas has got COVID. Hither that wasn't Thomas that
was in fact Chloe Swarbrick with a man's voice, and
he needs to go into zombie hour, and so it
goes on. Thomas is on his own on this one. Look,
I don't know. I appreciate that he was playing the
devil's advocate just to get us to think about it.

(32:19):
And maybe he's right. Maybe as time goes by and
the kind of shock of having to deal with Tory,
you know, sort of washes away from us, maybe we
will be less harsh on her in years to come.
But at the moment, it's very hard to believe that. Anyway. Listen,
the Canadian results are coming in. Mark Carney has won
the Canadian election. Unclear at the stage, as I said earlier,
as to whether he's got a minority or a majority.

(32:41):
So we're going to go to Canada in about twenty
minutes time. Get the lads. This is stunning. I mean,
this guy, Look, this guy is not new to politics
and not new to the global stage. He used to
be was the Central Banker of Canada, and then he
went to be the Central Banker of England, so he
knows his way around this stuff. But to come in
and take over like this is pretty impressive. Yeah, So,
as I said, we'll have a chat over in Canada.
But straight after the news, Nikola Willis on how on

(33:04):
earth she's going to make this budget work? Newstalks EDB.

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Digging through the spin to find the real story story.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's Heather Dup the drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected News Talks EDB.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Afternoon. The Finance Minister has set quite the task for
herself with the upcoming budget, today announcing she will cut
her new spending allowance virtually in half, from two point
four billion dollars to just one point three billion dollars. Now,
to find out how she's going to do it, let's
seak to Nichola Willis hig Nichola, Hello, Am I right
in thinking you've actually got no money because you've set
aside one point three billion for operating allowance, but you've

(33:54):
you've already spent most of that on health with the
one point four billion promise last year, plus with the
iMac money for the new medicine. So you actually already
in deficit, aren't you.

Speaker 21 (34:04):
No, we've got plenty of money for the things we need,
which include health, which include education, which include defense, because
we've gone through the other tens of billions of dollars
of government spending that just goes on and on, and
we've reviewed it to say, what is no longer the
highest priority are the areas where we can make savings,
where we can shave things off, things that haven't delivered

(34:25):
what they said they would, so that we can take
those dollars and then invest them in today's priorities. Actually,
that's what should happen at every budget. Last budget we
did that. We found twenty three billion dollars worth of savings.
This budget, we've done that such that we're going to
be able to make the investments New Zealanders need to
see by reprioritizing from elsewhere. And that's going to stop

(34:46):
the borrowing getting out of control. And that's really important
right now, Heather.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
How much money have you managed to save.

Speaker 21 (34:54):
Well, I'm not going to give you that figure today,
but we've saved enough that we now don't need to
spend as much extra cash and do as much extra
borrowing as would have been the case. And that means
that we're still on track to get the books back
in balance. Now after all of the Trump staff and
the global events that have been occurring. Treasury said to me,

(35:14):
if you stick to the old allowance, you won't get
the books back in balance within the forecast period. You'll
keep accumulating debt. And I don't think that would have
been responsible because that is the kind of conditions that
makes New Zealand very economically unstable. It drives up inflation,
interest rates, and ultimately it's debt that our kids need
to repay. So we've stuck to the strategy and been responsible.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
You haven't saved enough to get us into surplus, have you.

Speaker 21 (35:40):
We are forecasting at this point a very small surplus
in twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Are you managing to cut some of the spending by
doing means testing of things like best start payments, winter
energy payments, key we saber contributions.

Speaker 21 (35:56):
Well, we've stuck to our coalition commitments and those are
built out clearly. So, for example, the Prime Minister confirmed
that he wouldn't be doing anything with the winter energy payment.
So there have been some guardrails around what we've looked at,
and we've asked ourselves these two questions. One is this
worth borrowing to pay for?

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Two?

Speaker 21 (36:19):
Are we absolutely certain these dollars couldn't be invested for
more impact in our health service and our schools, and
supporting businesses to grow and targeted cost of living relief.
So those questions have informed our savings decisions.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Any means testing at all being introduced.

Speaker 21 (36:36):
Well, you'll have to wait and see at the budget
what savings we're delivering. We've been really careful to make
sure that the proposals we're putting forward are fair and
are affordable, and they'll all meet that test.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
But that's a yes, isn't it. There will be leans
testing well.

Speaker 21 (36:51):
Of course, we have means testing across government right now,
which is basically that people on much higher and comes
often don't need as much support as people on lower incomes,
and people on hiring comes of course aren't eligible for
all of the same supports as lower income New Zealand
as are.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Is there any tweaks to the emissions trading scheme at all?

Speaker 21 (37:15):
That is not something that is in.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
The budget night, Okay, Nicholas, thank you.

Speaker 21 (37:20):
Now we're playing the rule and rollout game well.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
And I will stop it immediately. Thank you, Thank you
very much for your time. Appreciate it.

Speaker 21 (37:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Nicholaulli's Finance Minister eleven past five.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Heatherdoper Cela So, Wellington man.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
Tory Farno, has announced that she's pulling out of the
Wellington meryoral race. She will instead run in the Maori Ward. Seed.
Ray Chung is a Wellington City councilor who's also running
for me, and he's with us.

Speaker 22 (37:42):
Now, Hey, Ray, Hey, Heather, how are you going?

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Very well?

Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's cheers, you're coming in hot. Let's take you by surprise.

Speaker 18 (37:50):
Not really.

Speaker 22 (37:51):
I'm actually having a good chat with were Torri over
enz weekend at the commemoration and she's we were talking
about and threw little coming in and what that actually
meant to her and what what what would they actually
mean to anyone else opposing them? So so I think
there's something that's going to happen, but you know, it
surprised me that it happens so quickly.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Yeah, and how are you feeling about it? Because you
do sound pippy. Do you feel like this gives you
a better chance?

Speaker 22 (38:16):
I think I don't think it changes things much because
I reckon that there's actually not much daylight between Tory's
policies and Andrew's policies and so so it's pretty much
keeping the same strategy. I mean, my strategy is completely
different from theirs, and so I don't think it needs
to change it all just because it's Andrew, that Andrew
and Tory team, and and you know, anyone else that

(38:39):
comes up.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
When you say Andrew and Tory team, are you referring
to the fact that she's already put herself out there
as a possible deputy for him.

Speaker 22 (38:46):
Yes, yes, I think so. And she's she's going for
the easiest seat in council that the mary Ward Council,
because you know what a Niel get what's these how
many votes did he actually get to get in what
six hundred and seven hundred or something? Everyone else needed
three and half the five and a half thousand votes,
so that that is the easiest seat to win.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Do you think that Do you think that she will
be Andrew Little's deputy?

Speaker 22 (39:10):
I think that there's a little chance of it, yes,
because there they are points of because I think that
I think that they actually had came to a deal
where she would actually step back, so she was their
their natural their natural competitors.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Mm hmm. And do you have proof of this?

Speaker 20 (39:29):
I don't have.

Speaker 22 (39:30):
Proof it, but last night I went to the vision
for Wellington meeting and people will approach me and talk
to me about this. Now, I said that I thought
this was meant to be embargoed until five am this morning.
But but people last night knew all about it, and
so there was a hypothesis. There were there two scenarios
that came up, and this is the more credible of them.
And so I think that because they both agree on

(39:52):
the same thing, they're both you know, want the same policies,
I think, why wouldn't they work together? I mean, I
think I think that I probably would if you know,
if there was candidate who had the same policies that
I did in the same situation.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
She gives herself a nine out of ten? What do
you give.

Speaker 22 (40:06):
A half out of ten?

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Only a half?

Speaker 16 (40:10):
Ray?

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Thank you appreciate, I appreciate your time, and even that's
probably given begrudgingly. Rage young merl.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
Candidate Heather Duplessy Allen.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Did you see how much coal Huntley has stockpiled for
this upcoming winter? Because you know, like me, last winter
was a bit with the old touch and go with
the old electricity, wasn't it. So they're a bit worried.
They have got one point two million tons stockpiled at Huntley. Now,
I'm going to give you some context. That is more
than triple what they normally have at Huntley. Normally at

(40:42):
Huntley they have a little pile sitting there about three
hundred and fifty thousand tons this time around one point
two million, three times as more than three times as
much last year. It outstrips last year. Last year they
were carrying a lot. Last year they were carrying eight
hundred tons in the little piles over there. It's more
than that now, I'm I'm just telling you this because
we all know, just because we all know, we all

(41:03):
know that the whole thing is a joke that's going
on here, right. So I'm telling you this because if
you know somebody in your family or in your friendship
group who's really worried about the climate, and you know
how badges you about it, and is they you're going
to do any thing for the climate, you make sure
that this winter they're turning their lights and heater is off,
because if they're not, they're burning coal and they're complicit
in it, aren't they. Quarter past Now, you don't need

(41:26):
me to tell you that it's a tough time to
be doing business at the moment right now, and the buzzword,
of course everywhere is efficiency. Now. In chatting to One
New Zealand, they reckon the business is making the biggest
strides are doubling down on mobility.

Speaker 16 (41:38):
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Speaker 4 (41:38):
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Speaker 5 (42:20):
Together do for clan A nineteen past five.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Here then, Nicholas is doing what households have to do
when businesses when times are tough and make hard choices
and that's exactly what's going on. I think we can
all see that now. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation has called
the Canadian election for Prime Minister Mark Carney's Liberal Party.
Kat Tunney is a senior reporter at CBC's Parliamentary Bureau.

Speaker 7 (42:40):
Hey Kat, good morning.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Now, this is stunning, isn't it for somebody who's just
arrived in politics to be able to pull it off
like this?

Speaker 7 (42:48):
Yeah, this is what we're seeing tonight.

Speaker 14 (42:50):
You could not be even ballabled just a few months ago,
back when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was leaving the party,
Canadians had really soured on him after a decade. They
were upset about the carbon tax, and it was looking,
you know, as much as you know polls, if you
can trust them, it was looking like he was going
to be a clear slam dunk win for the Conservative

(43:11):
Party here in this country to get a majority government. Well,
fast forward today and fast forward to tomorrow, County kind
of having this whirlwind twitch rone and five where he
took over the party and then then led his party
to it to a victory tonight. It is quite quite
a stunning, stutning thing.

Speaker 7 (43:27):
That we've watched. We have not yet heard from him tonight.
I think he's about to speak in a few minutes.
There's only a.

Speaker 14 (43:33):
Little bit of I guess a tempered, uh you know,
mood here because it's not actually clear yet if you'll
have a majority or minority government.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
We're kind of waiting to see that.

Speaker 14 (43:44):
You know, I think he, like like any leader, he was,
he was hoping for a strong mandate and a majority
to you know, be able to do what he would
like to do and have some comment. So now he
might have to figure out who his dance partners are
and perhaps reach across the aisle and not something that
he perhaps one wants to do, but it and you know,
taking that aside, yeah, you know, it is quite a
stunning win.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
How much of this has got to do with his
own personal attributes and how much of it has got
to do with Trump giving him the opportunity.

Speaker 14 (44:13):
Well, I think there's there's a mix here, and part
of it clearly Trump has shaped this election, not just
his re election become November, but you know, the trade,
the global trade war that that he's kicked off. And
then on top of that these kind of thought were
first jokes about making Canada the fifty first state which
have become you know, persistent and grown and really kind

(44:33):
of rejuvenated kind of Canadian patriotism in face of those comments.
So clearly that has shaped the election. There's also how
Mark Carney was able to pitch himself to voters to to.

Speaker 7 (44:46):
Respond to that.

Speaker 14 (44:46):
You know, he Canadians would know him as, you know,
the former governor of the Bank of Canada here then
he left to lead the Bank of England, so he
has those credentials, you know, and he made the pitch,
you know, I'm an outsider, but I'm a mature, steady
hand will be able to take on Trump in this
kind of global uncertainty as we hadn't economic uncertainty at

(45:09):
the same time.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
So it's a bit a bit of both. He was
able to use.

Speaker 14 (45:12):
His kind of resume, if you will, to address Canadians'
real fears about you know, Donald Trump's being reelected just
south of US.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey, thanks very much, Kat, really appreciate
a Cat Tunny, senior reporter at CBC's Parliamentary Bureau five
twenty two, checking.

Speaker 5 (45:28):
The point of the story.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one new Zealand. Let's
get connected and news talk sa'd.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
B twenty four past five. Now, look, I have to
be honest with you. There is a part of me
that has a grudging respect for Torri Thano because she
has this amazing ability to be able to talk absolute
crap with a straight face. Do you know what I mean?
According to her, her reason for giving up the mayoral
race is that she wants to give Andrew Little a
clear runway to win. I mean, come on, doesn't need
you to step aside, lady, She was gonna lose. That's

(45:58):
probably why she quit because Andrew Little, whether you like
as politics or not, is a serious and credible and
smart person and Torri Fano is none of the above. Now, also,
please do not start with this nonsense like some commentators
I've noticed in politicians today have done, saying that Torri
Fano is quitting because it got too personal and people
have been illogically hateful towards her. Tory was the one

(46:19):
who made it personal. She made this whole thing about
her person and her character. She made on numerous occasions,
she made this about her being a young wahi ne mari.
I mean, she was the one who said out loud
virtually every single thing that popped into her head. She
blamed her bad behavior on her ADHD. She blamed her
bad behavior on her alcoholism. She told Paul Keys about

(46:41):
needing to sell her car to pay her mortgage. She
told us about her personal problems as an excuse for
being bad at her job. She told us and reminded
us that she was young, and was mari and was
a woman as an excuse for us being mean to her. Right,
she is the one who did this. The truth is
that being a leader is about what you achieve, absolutely,

(47:04):
but it is also about your character. And frankly, on
both those things, do you think she did well? No,
Tory Faro has been a disappointment, and that is no
one else's fault.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
But Tory's ever duper see Ellen.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
And speaking of which he is Chris Hopkins.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Women in politics in New Zealand, particularly women from different ethnicities,
certainly seem to be subjected to far more personal denigration
and abuse than others are.

Speaker 23 (47:25):
And it's not okay.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
I don't know who he's talking about, but maybe he's
talking about Goalris. I feel like that might have been
Goalrus's fault. He could be talking about Darlene, But I
also feel like that could be Darlene's fault. Maybe he's
talking about Tory once again, you know my feeling. Maybe
he's talking about Julia and Genter her fault. Maybe he's
talking about Jasinda her fault. I'm just saying. The list
of ladies who've copped it is probably a list of

(47:52):
ladies who I don't know brought it upon themselves. Anyway,
speaking of men who copped it, because we're fair on
this show, we give a crack to ladies and the men.
And Scott Simpson has been wearing it on this show,
hasn't he the last few days. So I saw Scott
put on an email today supporting FinTechs to boost competition.
I said, I thought, well, Scott's working. So I sent

(48:13):
it to the German and I said, Scott working. She
said yes. I said, you want to ask him if
he wants to come on the show. She suck, welcome,
why not? So guess who said he's coming on the show.
Scott And he's with us after the headlines news talks.
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
After making the news. The newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather duplessy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
They'd be and then that I've gone.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Was standing by, They're going to be with us very shortly.
Mark Carney over in Canada has just declared.

Speaker 24 (49:00):
Who's ready, who's ready, who's ready to stand up for
Canada with me? And who's ready who's ready to build
Canada strong?

Speaker 9 (49:17):
Heather?

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Do the ce Ellen?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Now?

Speaker 4 (49:19):
The government's found itself caught up in another race based
targeting controversy in the last few days. This time, of course,
it featured ACC and so far we haven't heard from
the minister at the center of it, but Scott Simpson
is with us now.

Speaker 13 (49:29):
Scott, Hello, Hello Heather, thank you for being so patient.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Thank you for thank you for turning up. I appreciate it.
Now tell me what happened. Why did you support this
and then reverse your position on it?

Speaker 13 (49:41):
Well, look, this is ACC's tender and we do have
an issue with under reporting and overexposure to manufacturing workplace
incidents relating to MARI and Pacifica. But that said, our
government's very clear that services, public services need to be
on the basis of need, not race. So ACC I

(50:04):
think now understand that I've made it very clear to
the Chief Executive and to the Chairman of the Board
that any future initiatives of this sort need to be
in conformance with the Cabinet memo on service delivery.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Yeah, so what happened? Did you just not see the
cabinet memo?

Speaker 16 (50:23):
No?

Speaker 13 (50:24):
No, I certainly saw the cabinet memo. I got some
advice from ACC. They gave me advice that in their view,
it met the cabinet memo. I had a chance to
reflect on that Thursday evening and decided that in my view,
it did not come on.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Tell me how on earth you thought that that was
the case, because this was clearly race based targeting, right,
It had a There was a target for Maori and
a target for Pacifica, and that is not allowed. So
how on earth did you look at that and go
that's not race based?

Speaker 13 (50:55):
I looked at the statistics related to Mari and Pacifica
manufacturing workplace injuries and accidents. That is a real problem.
But it's ACC's tender. They got it wrong, and I've
reflected on it, and so I got ACC's chief executive
to change her position. She's pulled the tender, and I

(51:16):
think that you will find that when that tender goes
back out for public consultation, that it won't have these
aspects in it.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Okay, look, I don't want to be insulting to you, Scott,
but if it's not obvious to you that that is
actually in breach, are you not a smart man? It's
obvious that it's in breach of the memo.

Speaker 13 (51:37):
Well, as I said, I received advice from ACC that
in their view, it met the memo. Now I had
a chance to reflect on that, and I don't agree
with him. That's why I asked the chief executive to
be about.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
This, Scott. It's not you only reflected on it after
you defended them publicly.

Speaker 13 (51:56):
Well, I defended it in one media comment and then
had a chance to reflect on it, as I said,
So I didn't agree ultimately with the advice.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
It was.

Speaker 13 (52:08):
A mistake, I guess now, with the benefit of hindsight,
to have done that in the first place, and I've
learned a valuable lesson.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Now can you guarantee because that paused it and they're
reflecting on it. But does that necessarily mean they're going
to abandon it?

Speaker 13 (52:23):
No, I think they will still go ahead with the tender.
But they will take out the ethnic and race based
provisions that they put in it. So that's the request
that I've made to them. I've made that position very
clear to them because we still do have an issue
with manufacturing accidents. Look, there are huge issues with ACC, Heather.

(52:45):
I'm very focused on getting those right. ACC needs a
big turnaround project. Rehabilitation rates are slipping and have done
the last several years. We've got huge financial implications for ACC.
There are much much bigger issues at ACC that I
need to be focused on addressed with. I get the

(53:05):
point that you make.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Now, Listen, is it possible because from my understanding, what's
going on here is that there are certain parts of
the manufacturing sector that are particularly dangerous, right and those
are predominantly, that is, predominantly where you have Mary and
Pacifica working. So they are at the highest risk because
of where they work. Is it not possible to simply
target those areas for everybody who works there and then

(53:26):
clean up the stats.

Speaker 13 (53:28):
Yeah, Look, that makes sense to me, and that's what
I've asked ACC officials to do.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Okay, Scot, listen, thank you. I really do appreciate your time,
and I know you're busy. That's got Simson, Minister for
acc twenty away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
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Speaker 4 (53:46):
On the huddle of this evening we have Connor English,
director at Wellington government relations firm, Silverye and Mike Munroe,
former chief of Staff to just Sinda.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Hello you too, good eight.

Speaker 7 (53:56):
How are you very well?

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Is that you Connor? That's you?

Speaker 7 (53:59):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (53:59):
My Ken, Mike, you muted yourself again, Lord these boomers Ah,
Mike now still muted Mike. Okay, We're going to let
Mike just take a minute and figure out the phone. Connor,
I wanted to talk to you first anyway. What do
you make of Nicholas budget and the tiny, tiny spending allowance?

Speaker 25 (54:19):
Well, it just shows how tough and how tight the
situation is for the government. But I think you've got
a bear in mind that the government has never spent
more in the history of having governments in New Zealand.
So whilst there's not much extra, there's still a lot
of government spina taking place, and I think the ministers
now looking to focus on value for money and you know,

(54:40):
be portrayed as a careful manager of the of the
government's books. And you know, they talk a lot about
focusing on growth to get more revenue in so you
can spend more after you've got the revenue in.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
I agree with you on this, Connor, But what would
you suggest like and she's cut her spending allowance, her
operating allowance from two point four billion one point three billion,
would you have paired it back even further?

Speaker 25 (55:05):
Well, I'm not the Minister of Finance and I don't
have all the facts available to me that she would have.
But I think the notion that we should be looking
for more value for money if you just focus on
one of the inputs, which is cash, and not on
the outcomes or even the outputs. You know, if everyone

(55:25):
says there's a problem, we just need to have more cash,
you don't look for innovative ways. You're not looking for productivity,
you're not looking for other ways of sol solving the problem.
And I think what her challenge is to the public
sector is how can you solve these problems or provide
these services in a smarter way. And there's an enormous
number of smart people in the public sector are very

(55:45):
capable of doing that, and I think she's just setting
up the framework that's going to put a little bit
of pressure on to enable them to put a bit
more thought into there.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Mikey you with us now?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (55:58):
It's not stay with us, Mike. What do you make
of what Nicholas done? Reading about it.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Feels like.

Speaker 26 (56:07):
Austerity head?

Speaker 3 (56:08):
It probably is.

Speaker 26 (56:09):
You know, a couple of months ago the message from
Luxon for this year was growth, growth, growth. Well from
today it is cuts cuts, cuts, And as Thomas Cogden
wrote in The Herald, today willis is going to in
order to fund the growing cost of existing services. And

(56:31):
you start to wonder what's going to be sacrif child
poverty measures, Will it be the climate stuff, peers, public transport.
Something has to give. As the Brits showed.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
The under.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
No no, I pulpin, I pulpin, I can't. I tried,
I tried, Did you try? We all tried, didn't we
What we're going to do is we're going to take
a break and we're just going to help the situation
out by calling Mike back. So just bearwith Seve away
from six.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty the ones
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Speaker 4 (57:09):
Right, we're back with the huddle. Mike is back on
the phone. Mike, please carry on, because I actually wanted
to hear what you had to say.

Speaker 11 (57:14):
Oh look, I'm not quite sure how much you heard
of me previously, but I was just making the point
that that Luxlan talked about growth, growth, growth, back in
Febrary this year. Right now, it's going to be cut, cut, cuts,
as Cogan Thomas Cogman wrote about in the Herald today.
Now Willison is going to have to cut a hell
of a lot billions of dollars of spending across the
government to fund the growing cost of existing services that

(57:37):
you talked about today. And you start to wonder what's
going to be sacrificed to pay for them. Is it
going to be police, child poverty, climate score repairs, public transport.
Something has to give because you know, reprioritizing, it's one
of those weasel words the government's use that means we
have take the money from here and put it over there,
and nothing much is going to change, and you don't
address their qualities and health by reprioritizing a good point.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
You make a good point.

Speaker 11 (58:01):
Fixed up schools reprioritizing, you.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Make a very good point. But I think we can
all accept that there is some bloating where there's a
lot of bloating. Actually that happens in any part of
the public sector, and that's sometimes just going over it
and starting to cut a few things that are not
needed anymore. Is not a bad thing, right, This is
just a bit of fiscal discipline.

Speaker 11 (58:19):
Yeah, But it tends to be around the margins, I find.
I mean, governments over the years have talked about razor
cans and making these sorts of cuts, and when they
get down to it, it's stuff around the margins that goes,
and it's not billions of dollars as well as it's
talking about today.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Yeah, okay, So what.

Speaker 11 (58:34):
She's got in mind is something a lot more substantive.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Yeah, I suspect it's going to have to be big stuff. Now, Connor,
what did you think of Tory pulling out of the race.
Did Tory pull out of the race because we were
too mean to her? Or was it because she was
actually just stinking, stinking she was going to get beaten
by Andrew Little.

Speaker 25 (58:48):
Ah, well, I mean Tory as the only one that
knows that, but I suspect that she saw the riding
on the on the wall, and I'm not sure what
the local poles have said about it. But also with
Andrew Little standing in the race, you know you saw
back in twenty sixteen when Joe Codlin it has to

(59:08):
be my gorgeous wife stood for here, and so did
Nicola Young and Nick Legott and that split that vote
sort of because Joe was an independent, it's scene as
sort of center center right a little bit, and that
split that vote. And so I guess the Greens and
Labor didn't want to split that vote and want to
consolidate it around one one candidate. So now they've sort

(59:29):
of done that, and I wouldn't be at all surprised
if Tory comes back as deputy mayor.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Now, Mike, well, jeez, hang on at tech, I well,
hold on, Connor, Connor, are you is this just fear
among coming from the right.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
There's no free lunch.

Speaker 27 (59:44):
There's no free lunch, is there?

Speaker 25 (59:45):
So if you're going to stand down, you're going to
want something and return for that, Well.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
What about just saving your own dignity.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Well, as I say, I mean, Tory.

Speaker 25 (59:58):
Has her own reasons, but if you look at it,
you know, from a strategic perspective, that makes sense that
you only have one candidate on the on the left.

Speaker 8 (01:00:06):
Not too okay.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Now here's the thing, Mike, we've gone to. We've gone
to Andrew Little because we didn't want to ruin things
for him, you know, with with conspiracy theories and stuff.
And we've asked him, is Tory going to be your deputy?
And he's come back and said he's not given any
thoughts to who's going to be the deputy, and he's
focused on winning the election and so on. So what
do you think is he going to make Tory his deputy?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I would very.

Speaker 11 (01:00:26):
Much doubt it. Look Tory's Toy's personal brand has been
very badly damaged by numerous incidents over the last three years,
and I don't think Little would want to associate that
with his mayoralty. She went against the Greens and Labor
and voted in favored the council selling its airport cheers,
which is which I thought was a good decision, but

(01:00:47):
of course, you know it incurred the wrath of the
Greens and labor, and I just think Andrew Little won't
want that sort of stuff to resurface during his campaign,
so I'd be very surprised the entertained thoughts of having
Toy anywhere near his ticket.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
What do you think, Mike, of what Chippy's been saying,
which is that we're just mean to her because she's
a lady.

Speaker 11 (01:01:13):
No, I don't really agree with that, Heather. I think
Tori's brought a lot of these problems upon herself. The
funny thing is funny, The sensible thing is is that
Tory's actually got a story to tell. Despite all the
Tory hazes out there, She's actually had some pretty solid
accomplishments during her term. You know, the district plans and
how to point with, there's a lot more housing going up,

(01:01:34):
The library and town Hall refits are almost finished, connect
and he's going to get to cut the ribbon on them.
Cycleways have been rolled out around the city, the Golden
Mill project underwear. So it did a story to tell,
but it's all been overshadowed. I think by this the
personal misdemeanors that Toy experienced over the last three years,
and so you know, it's not mean that it's just
she went into a lot of trouble.

Speaker 27 (01:01:56):
Connor, I think there's there's sure she's done a lot
of good things, and I'm sure she's very well meaning,
as probably everyone in stance for counsel is.

Speaker 25 (01:02:07):
But there is a pretty harsh reality is that Wellington
isn't actually in that good of shape and a lot
of the things and initiatives that you've mentioned have ended
up not working well for the community.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
They've been implementing things that they haven't.

Speaker 25 (01:02:21):
Listened to the community on and we've ended up with
a lot of expenditure and.

Speaker 27 (01:02:28):
Not much value for money.

Speaker 25 (01:02:29):
Wellington Water where they talked about a culture of learned hopelessness,
you know, and now we're getting these massive rape bills.
So it's a legacy that I'm sure there's some very
good positives in it, but there's also some challenges for
whoever comes in next that have been the result of
some very poor decision making by by the council over

(01:02:50):
the last several years.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Guys, it's been lovely to talk to you. Thank you
so much, and Mike, thank you for It wasn't Mike's fault.
I just feel like I need to careify this wasn't
Mike's fault that the phone did the funny robot voice. Okay,
that was just electronics. That's just life that happens. But
Jesus frustrating, isn't it. Mike, Thank you for tolerating us
and making fun of you as a boomer. That's Mike Munroe,
former chief of staff to justindadun and Connor English, director

(01:03:14):
at Wellington government relations firm Silver I Ate Away from six.

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Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
By the way back to Canada, the opposition leader has
conceded the election Canadians.

Speaker 28 (01:03:31):
Canadians have opted for a razor thin minority government, a
virtual tie in the vote count. So I would like
to congratulate Prime Minister Carney on leading this minority government. No, no, Well,
we'll have plenty of opportunity to debate and disagree, but

(01:03:55):
tonight we come together as Canadians. We will do our job. Yes,
we will do our job to hold the government to account.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Heather do for c Ellen's that's five away from six.
Sime and Brown, the Health Minister is going to be
with us after the news because he's launched this new
initiative where new rural doctor training will take place in
topul which is kind of weird because I thought Topor
Hospital didn't have enough senior doctors to even be able
to run the hospital, let alone train people. But he'll
be able to explain it to us when he's with us.
And also, one of the questions about what Nikola Willis

(01:04:23):
is doing is obviously, and this is the question we've
been asking, is what is she gonna cut?

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Cameron Baggriy, the economist, has been thinking about this long
and hard. He's got some ideas. He's with us after
half past six. Here's a question for you, because we've
wondered about this in the newsroom. Here in this show,
we wonder about weird things. Have you ever wondered what
why Saint Pierre's has a French name but then sells sushi?
Have you ever wondered that I can answer?

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
I can.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Actually, if you haven't, never mind, now you are. I
can answer the question for you. It's because and the
reason I can answer it is because they've done this
amazing piece on Business Desk about it. It turns out
they weren't all Where's a sushi chain at all. They
used to be just a fishmonger in Wellington up at
Willis Street. Actually I think they started on Cuba Street
and then they then opened a second place. Will move

(01:05:09):
to Willi Street to we have a number one Willi Street.
And Saint Pierre's is the French name for John Dory
and back in the day they used to sell things
like frogs, legs and Russian caviat and stuff, and so
they called themselves Saint Pierre's. But and it was run
by a chap called George, and then his sons followed
him into business, and one of the sons in the
early nineteen nineties decided to try something out, something crazy sushi,

(01:05:32):
went to Japan, chatted to some people about getting the
ingredients and stuff like, and the rest, as they say,
is history. And now Saint Pier's not only do you
know their jingle, but they also have eighty Sint Pier's
sushi shops, thirty five bento bowls, and two K ten
sushi train restaurants and apparently get this, this houses for
a number. Apparently in a week they feed over one

(01:05:53):
hundred thousand of us ho go in and buy their sushi.
And I mean talk about hitting on something that took
off a like sushi. How often do you eat sushi?
I would eat sushi on the regular. It was after
I gave birth. It was the first thing my friend
brought into me. It was two gigantic boxes of sushi
because you can't have it when you're pregnant. And so yeah,

(01:06:13):
well done. It was a great idea, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
In the end?

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
Sime and Brown?

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Next keeping track of where the money is flowing. The
Business Hour with Heather Duplessyl and Mass Insurance and investments,

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Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
News talks that'd be.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
Evening coming up in the next hour. We've got Nick
BRUNSDLL of Infimetrics with positive signs in the latest employment data.
Jamie McKay with us obviously, and Cameron Baggery is going
to have a look at what the Finance Minister could
possibly cut to save enough money. Seven past six. Now
good news for Topel. It's the first North Island hospital
being given a credit to train rural doctors in the
Health Minister. Simmy and Brown is with us. Now, hey,

(01:07:03):
some men, I we are having bad luck with the phones,
aren't we? Anyway? Simmy and Brod will try and get
him up, or everybody's just turned into Burma's today. We'll
try and get Simmy and Brown up and he'll bear
with us. Shortly, Can I just say, actually, this gives
me the opportunity to talk about something I should have
talked about much earlier, which is means testing. Now, if

(01:07:24):
you were listening to Nikola Willis earlier, you will have
heard that she's not ruling out means testing as a
means to try and save the money that she needs
in this budget. Right, because it's so tight, she needs
to save shed loads of money. Means testing is apparently
an option now. Apparently now I think you and I
will agree on this. Right, means testing is necessary, isn't it?

(01:07:44):
Because if you think about, for example, and we could
talk about the winter energy payment, we could talk about
whole bunch of other things, but just look at the
best start payment. The best start payment is a payment
that is given to parents of newborns. Right, you get
seventy three dollars a week the minute that your baby arrives,
and you get it for a full year. It's only
after the baby's been around for a year, years two
and three that you get means tested for it. I'm
going to be honest with you. I've been getting seventy

(01:08:06):
three dollars a week and I do not need it.
It's money I don't need to have coming in. It
is a waste of money for the government. So I
should be means tested for it. If we can means
test in the second year and means test in the
third year, why not means test in the first year.
Seems to me like a good idea. Run it, roll
it out, roll it out for winter energy payment, roll
it out for whole bunch of other things, save a
lot of money, and redirect it to where it should go.
It's an idea that is completely overdue. Probably time that

(01:08:29):
it arrives.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
Heather do for see Alan.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
I think we may have some of and Brown with
us right now. So many are there?

Speaker 20 (01:08:35):
Yes, I'm here, Sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
That's okay. It's happened a lot today.

Speaker 20 (01:08:39):
I'm just driving back from road.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Will Are you doing awayne Brown? Or are you your
hands free?

Speaker 16 (01:08:45):
Oh?

Speaker 20 (01:08:46):
No, I'm being driven.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Oh I see much better even now, listen, why have
you picked topel?

Speaker 20 (01:08:52):
Look, this is a process that the hospital has gone
through to get accredited. That's quite a rigorous process to
be accredited for this training pathway and what it means
for that hospital now is that they are able to
attract specialists who were special generalists who work in rural
medicine to that hospital as part of the Australian College

(01:09:14):
of Rural and Remote Medicine and that opens up a
whole another pool of potential doctors who can go and
work in that hospital. And so this is the first
hospital in the North Island which has achieved that accreditation.
My hope is that Health News Animal will continue and
expectations they'll continue for further hospitals in our rural settings
to be able to get this accreditation so that we

(01:09:35):
can get the workforce we need into those rural hospitals,
which is really important.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
How have they I mean, how do you do this
at toepl if Topal doesn't even have it has about
a third of the senior doctor's positions filled at the moment,
How can they possibly train these doctors coming in or
is it not the senior doctors doing the training.

Speaker 20 (01:09:51):
Well, it's part of the Australian College of Rural Remote Medicine.
It's about making sure they've they've got the ability to
be accredited, means they're able to then train and yes,
of course there is challenges there at the hospital at
the moment, but this opens up a new workforce to
them that they are able to bring it and bring
into access to come to New Zealand, whether that's trainees

(01:10:12):
or whether that's fellows, and that means they're able to
then stabilize that workforce and actually attract it's.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
It's not just about bringing the trainees and it also
attracts the people who will do the training that's right.

Speaker 20 (01:10:25):
So it opens the ability up for that hospital to
be used as that that site in the North Island.
This model is used in the South Island at gray
Hospital and Greymouth very effectively. It's meant they've been able
to attract and retain these doctors into that area and
actually see a reduction of locoms, which ultimately means a
more stable workforce, a more continuous care for that community

(01:10:50):
and to be able to retain those doctors really important
to provide that level of service. So this is a
really important step forward for this hospital and it's really
important we use these types of models to be able
to attract and retain these doctors into these communities which
are hard to staff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
So I mean, is the strike still on for Thursday?

Speaker 20 (01:11:08):
Well, unfortunately it is. I've been very clear in my
views on this. Our senior doctors play a really important
and critical role in our hospitals. But this is going
to have a significant impact on the care of thousands
of patients who have been waiting too long for care.
HAP operations, neo operations, character operations is going to be

(01:11:28):
a delayed about four and a half thousand of them.
Health New Zealand did put a new offer on the
table on Thursday which addressed a number of the key
concerns that the union raised, including twenty five thousand dollars
bonding payments for senior doctors taking up positions in hard
to staff rural hospitals. The union has decided not to

(01:11:50):
put that offer back to its members to let them
decide whether to accept it, rather than strike. I would
have thought that would have been the right approach in
order to allow the unions to the members to make
that decision. Are the unions decided not to and that
means the care of thousands of patients is going to
be delayed unfortunately.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
I mean, you're a very good politician. So you're doing
a very good job of selling of certainly you know,
fighting this in public, but ultimately are you're not just
going to have to pony up the cash because otherwise
we're just not going to have enough doctors.

Speaker 20 (01:12:19):
Well, we have more doctors working in New Zealand and
Health New Zealand now than when we came to government,
more nurses now now when we came to government. And yes,
and we've put a new offer on table on Thursday
last week and the union had the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
The way for you to solve this other than to
just pony up cash and pay these people more.

Speaker 20 (01:12:38):
Well, and it was an improved offer. It was an
improved offer and it addressed the number of the key
concerns such as as they're bonding for senior doctors in
hard to staff hospitals. It's twenty five thousand payment to
bond those doctors there for two years, and included removing
the bottom three rungs of the pay for senior doctors
that don't get a pay cut when they become a

(01:13:00):
senior doctor from a junior doctor. It addressed a number
of their key concerns and the right thing for the
union to do should have been to put the offer
back to its members to let them decide whether to
accept it or not, rather than for them to unilaterally
decide to continue with strike action, which is going to
see thousands of patients who have been waiting too long

(01:13:21):
have their key cans. Let's be waiting for help operations,
knee operations, charact operations, or just their first special assessments.
They are now going to have that care further delayed,
which I find frankly unacceptable.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Listen, Samon, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.
Some men brownd the Minister of Health Heather roll out
the means testing for super to save some real dot.
That's going too far. I'm happy to means test the
key we Saver. I'm happy to means test the winter
energy payment. I'm having a means test the baby money.
But I don't want to means test the pension because

(01:13:53):
I deserve that at the end of my life. Do
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Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
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percent in March and primary industries lead the growth up
zero point four percent. Nick Brunsden is Infametrics principle economist
and with us Heynik your name. I mean, it's pretty small.
Is it enough to get excited about?

Speaker 23 (01:15:30):
Normally it wouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
No.

Speaker 29 (01:15:32):
I think the reason why we are getting a tiny
bit excited about it is that it comes after a
year of declines for a month on months, so it's
the greenest of green shoots, and that's sort of to
be celebrated after a fair period of decline.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
And primary industries, why is it doing so well?

Speaker 7 (01:15:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:15:51):
Well, I was thinking about the expert data out last week.
We'll got some really good returns coming through for the
primary sect or horticulture is doing really well. Jerry prices
up and so that's supported areas to hire a little
bit more.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
And this is why the South Island's doing better.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Definitely. Yeah.

Speaker 29 (01:16:07):
A curious result out of the data today was the
South Island is growing slightly faster than the North, again
underpinned by the primary sector and the north, less primary exposed,
more exposed to services and construction, and those areas aren't
doing quite so well at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
Nick, is it I mean, it's really too early to
see a trend here and take too much heart from it.

Speaker 8 (01:16:25):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 29 (01:16:28):
Yeah, No, it is a little bit too early. It
is a good sign. It is broadly consistent with other
measures though. So we did see an uptick in job
adds again, a one month uptick in February, so it does.
It does show that we are starting to come up
off the bottom, and all the other indicators lead us
to the conclusion that we are essentially at the bottom.
So it is a question of when we do start

(01:16:48):
coming up off the bottom.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
Brilliant stuff. Hey, Nick, thanks very much, really appreciated. Nick Brunson.
Informatrix principle economists Heather due for Sea Allen, Heather means testing.
Can we say that, how do you see that working?
Best to use the inside voice sometimes, Well, hold on,
I take care. Isn't there a government contribution to your
Kiwi saver? Or am I just imagined? Did I dream that?

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Or do that?

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Put money in?

Speaker 7 (01:17:11):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
That's right, they do put money in, don't they. Yeah,
so I don't know. I mean, do you want me
to explain how that would work? Let me explain with
my outside voice how that would work. So what would
happen is if you have a certain amount of money
going into your kei We Savior, the government wouldn't give
you any, but if you didn't have that certain amount,
then it would give you some. And that is how
your means test ke We Saver. Honestly, do I have

(01:17:33):
to explain absolutely everything on this show. I'm taking the
mickey out of you. I hope you realize that. Now listen,
I've got to talk about Wayne Brown. What's happened to
Wayne Brown is that Wayne Brown has decided he doesn't
want to talk to us. I would say Wayne Brown
has got a case of being scared potentially about something.
So yesterday, if you were listening to the show, we
had Nikola Willis on, and Nikola Willis we're talking to

(01:17:55):
her about the White Targety Co governance debate situation, and
she said, look, this is not not a central government issue.
This is a council issue. And maybe what you want
to do is talk to somebody more.

Speaker 21 (01:18:04):
At the heart of it, you need to get Auckland
Council on your show to ask them that question where
we went brown and all of this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Okay, that's a very good point. We'll talk to the mayor.
So anyway, we asked the mayor. Mayor said no through
the mayor spokesperson, and so then I text the mayor
personally on his personal phone and said can you come on?
And he said no, thank you, And I think he
probably thinks it's going to go away. Now it's not
going to go away. The reason it's not going to
go away is number one because he voted for it

(01:18:32):
and I'd like to know why. And number two because
it's an election year. So he's definitely going to be
on the show at some stage. And when he's on
the show, this is going to be raised. So just
stand by for that. Might be a little while, but
we'll be standing by for that.

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Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
Jamie McKai hosted the Countries with Us. Jamie, welcome back.

Speaker 16 (01:18:57):
Good to be back here.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Th where have you been?

Speaker 16 (01:19:01):
I was up in Towonga for the break between Easter
and anzac The long the short week. Should I say
a new grandchild the first time i'd met her.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
Oh how old, Jamie.

Speaker 16 (01:19:15):
Well, i'd they're too embarrassed to tell you my wife
on humorous visits.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
Hey, not your age? How old? Oh? How old is she?
Is like a scandal that you haven't been to see her.

Speaker 16 (01:19:26):
You bough, it's a family scandal. But let's just move
on to things. I'm more comfortable, and no, it's not
a scandal at all. I've just been busy. So four
months old, Oh no.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
That's okay. I think that's okay. And they're cute at
four months, aren't they? They just gorgeous.

Speaker 16 (01:19:39):
Well but before that, Heather as well, you'll know with
ween mackay honestly, and I'll get in trouble for saying this,
but I've started. There's no stopping now. In the early
days and months, they just poo themselves and react with you.
They're boring. Yeah, they are boring, let's be honest about it.
Not politically correct, but that's true. When they can react
with you and laugh, or you can make the that's

(01:20:01):
when they get interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
Yeah, four months, four months they're doing the little giggle
at you and stuff. So no, I think your timing
is bang on. I don't blame it all. Plus you
get you get a little bit more concession as a man,
so you know, just just own it. Now, what is
going on here with Fonterira deciding it's going to close
its planning and pack it's canning and packaging facility.

Speaker 16 (01:20:19):
Well, I guess Fontira is ultimately answerable to its ten
thousand farmers, shareholders and supplies and this is just a continuation.
This is my take on it anyhow, on their decision
to ditch the consumer brands for the ingredients business. So
it's sad, really, it's sad. In these tough economic times.
Have seen the bad news from Nikola Willis this morning.

(01:20:41):
Well here's another one hundred and twenty jobs on the
chopping block. I know they're going to go through the
consultation process, but we all know how that ends. So
they're going to lose their jobs in Hamilton. They currently
or the site currently packs up to four thousand metric
tons of powder per year. And while that's a lot, Heather,
it's not really It's less than one percent of the

(01:21:03):
co ops total product volume. So what they're saying is
they're going to get out of these blends and packaged
milk powders doing it, and they're going to focus on
the higher value ingredients such as the advanced proteins, you know,
the sports stuff and the medical nutrition, and that's the
way it is heading. And they believe this is the

(01:21:25):
best way to focus on farmer returns because I guess
at the end of the day with Fonterra, it is
a co op and unless the farmers get a meaningful return,
they might take their business elsewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Jamie listen, I am glad that you've raised this with
me as something you want to talk about, because I
meant to talk about this earlier in the week. But
Thomas Cogland did a great piece, didn't he about the
climate debate within the National Party and how much trouble
Simon Watts got himself into.

Speaker 16 (01:21:49):
Well, it was a rare treat for me, Heather, as
someone who's based in Dunedin, to physically grab a weekend Herold.
I always read it online, but to physically grab a
weekend Herold and read this, I thought he did a
fantastic job. The story was inside the climate debate that
quietly rocked the National Party. It's all about Simon Watson.

(01:22:10):
These new emissions targets and he's stuck. This is Simon
Watts really between a rock and a hard place, because
the right think he's gone, he's been excessively ambitious. In reality,
he hardly increased it at all. But the original argument
is the fifty percent reduction by twenty thirty was never

(01:22:30):
realistic and those on the left suggested New Zealand would
be doing next to nothing to reduce itsubmissions between twenty
thirty and thirty five, which is probably true. And you know,
you've got all these factions at play, as he pointed out,
there's the National Party who perhaps are a bit more
socially enlightened than act in New Zealand. First, is that

(01:22:52):
a nice way of saying.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
You've said it.

Speaker 16 (01:22:54):
They're perhaps a little bit more woke than National and
New Zealand first, I don't know. But you've got Winston
who's coming out and he's saying we're going to get
out of We're pulling out of Paris. And David Seymour
made a really interesting comment on this. He said, look, eventually,
the cost of staying in Paris could eventually outweigh the
penalty for leaving, so he's thinking that way as well.

(01:23:16):
And you've got to remember the other dynamic play here.
Final shot from me, Heather. This is New Zealand First,
an act who are both actively campaigning for the farmer
vote from national and certainly anecdotally I would say they're
being reasonably successful at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:23:32):
Jamie, Thank you, Jamie McKay, Host of the Country. I'm
going to come back to this in just a take
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Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
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Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
D rady is with us out of the UK very shortly,
and Simon Watts and this business. I was fascinated reading
this piece by Thomas Coglan of The Weekend. Actually this
business about sending money off shore for the climate agreement.
Stand by because there are some good news in this
that I actually should have told you earlier in the week.
It's twenty three away from seven now. Finance Minister Nichola
Willis has certainly raised eyebrows today announcing that she's going
to slash her own operating allowance for this year's budget

(01:24:25):
to a ten year low. Of just one point three
billion dollars. She's virtually halved what she's given herself to
play with. And the last time it was this low
was in twenty fifteen, when Bill English only gave himself
a billion dollars. Now, independent economist Cameron Baggery has been
looking at this and he's with us. Hey, Cam evening,
hither did it raise your eyebrows?

Speaker 17 (01:24:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:24:44):
Yes, yeah, in my mind, the real number is not
one point three. The real number.

Speaker 16 (01:24:50):
Looks to be close to zerra.

Speaker 30 (01:24:51):
Yeah, because out of the two point four that was
the initial allocation, there was pre commitments within last year's
budget of about one point five billion. Yeah, so they
had about yeaho point seven point eight Bill, you're left
to allocate. Yeah, so what we're effectively looking at in
the twenty and twenty five budget by the time you take, yeah,
the dedication to health, which I'll have to follow through on,

(01:25:13):
it's a zero number.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Yeah. Well, I mean if she's pretty allocated one point
five and she's given herself one point three, then she's
in deficit to the tune of about zero point two. Right,
So this would say that there are enormous cuts in
this budget, right.

Speaker 30 (01:25:27):
Well, reallocations but you know, to be fair, what we
saw in the twenty and twenty four budget was a
bit of the same. So if you actually have a
look at the gross cost of the twenty twenty four
budget package was an average of nine point one billion
dollars per year, but what they offered up was savings
revue raising initiatives of five point nine, so the net

(01:25:47):
number was three point two. You know, what we're going
to see again is that there'll be a pretty sizable
budget twenty twenty five package in regard to who gets what,
but it's going to be funded differently. It's going to
be funded by spinning cuts, reallocations, productivity, and there'll be
some revenue initiatives, and there it's just a question who's
giving what and who's getting what.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Okay, So it sounds like means testing is at least possible.
What would she means test?

Speaker 30 (01:26:16):
Well, I guess the big, the big five hundred pound
gorilla out there in New Zealand that we need to
get a head around is the explosion we're already seeing
or we're going to continue to see in New Zeon superannuation. Now,
if you go back to twenty twenty New zeal superannuation
was fifteen point five billion, which is a pretty big

(01:26:36):
chunk of cash. It's predicted to be twenty eight point
eight billion by twenty twenty nine. We've got the New
Zealan's superannuation is indexed to wages. All the other benefits
are indexed the consumer price inflation. Why is the difference
between the two. I can't get my head around that.
But we're starting to see the very strong effects of

(01:26:58):
the movement of the FASCAL cost of aging population yah,
and current fiscal settings are just not sustainable. So the
question is it, how are we going to change?

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
What are we going to change? Okay, now what she
should do, to your mind, is different to what she
is going to do. Do you really think she's going
to means test the pension.

Speaker 3 (01:27:15):
No, it's been murdered.

Speaker 30 (01:27:17):
As well about whether the retirement age goes up. There's
very others mechanisms you could bring in. But yeah, that
that that portion of the population tends to be a
little bit more national party centric. It's one of the
sort of hot potatoes.

Speaker 16 (01:27:32):
I'd like to see.

Speaker 30 (01:27:33):
Them take it on because I think it's pretty obvious
what the numbers are saying.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
It's not sustainable.

Speaker 30 (01:27:39):
You know, if we're pouring a lot more money into
health than New Zealand superannulation is a share of the economy,
then other parts of the economy have got to miss out.
And then it becomes a simple gain regardable who's going
to miss out. And what we know is that the
minister you've got on to today she identified the obvious priorities,
which is health, education, defense.

Speaker 9 (01:27:58):
Law and order.

Speaker 30 (01:27:59):
But yeah, just to keep some of those them staff
as a shear of GDP is going to require a
pretty big uplift and spending. And if that is a
ser of GDP, but government's spending is going to be
overall going down as a sheer of GDP, then you're
taken from Peter to pay Paul. There's got to be
some cuts on the other side. And the issue is
that where are those cuts on the other side coming from.

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Yeah, that's a fair point. Hey can thanks very much,
really appreciate your exercise. That's cam Bagri. Independent economists ever
do see else. I mean, this is why the pension
doesn't get touched right text like this from Mary, But
we've paid the bills for nothing. A growing number of
losers chowing down on our taxes and hard work, and ultimately,
I mean, look, I've got to be honest, I feel

(01:28:39):
the same. This is why I don't think they can
touch the pension, because I'd means test just about everything.
But I don't want to means test the pension because
I feel like that's my reward at the end of
paying taxes and watching everybody else blow my money for
my whole working life. And I suspect I'm not the
only one feeling like that now, Simon Watts. Kay, So,
Simon Wats when I was on maternity leave, I couldn't
believe it. It's got my blood pressure up a little bit,

(01:28:59):
didn't he when he basically said that he was increasing
increasing what we were doing read the Paris commitment, because
I think we should pull out. I know, I think
we should pull out because if the US is pulling out,
then the whole thing is a joke. Then what are
we doing. We're wasting our time. If the US isn't
doing it, why would we do it with this tiny, tiny,
little emission that we've got coming out of the country. Anyway,

(01:29:19):
So Simon Watt's got my blood pressure up, and apparently
he also got as Jamie was saying, before the National
Party's blood pressure up, and so then he had to
go around basically meeting farmers and hearing their concerns and
assuring them that this whole thing is not going to
just blow out on them. Quoting Thomas Coglin's piece. Later
in February, Wat's told a meeting of Wycuttle Federated Farmers

(01:29:42):
he would not be sending any money off shore to
meet the twenty thirty NDC. He said, some countries meet them,
some won't just because of national circumstances. You have to
have the intent to meet it, and if you don't
meet it, no one sends you an invoice. And that
was the best thing that I read all weekend, because
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but because

(01:30:02):
of this what we've signed up to with Paris Climate
Court and blah blah blah, we stand we have a
bill coming at us of about twenty three to twenty
eight or they're about billion dollars that we have to
send overseas to pay some other country to plant trees
for us, so that we're not fullcoming foul of the
Paris agreement. Right, So here we are having a discussion

(01:30:25):
about how little money we've got in this country. But
apparently we're going to send about twenty eight billion dollars
off to god knows where which third world country, to
plant trees for us. Very happy to hear that as
long as we intend to do it, we don't actually
have to do it. And apparently we're not going to
do it, And I think we can all rest a
little bit easy now knowing that. I don't know how
the Greens are going to feel about. They're probably not

(01:30:46):
very happy. Sixteen away from seven, whether it's.

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Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
Hither who counts the trees they plant? Lord probably have
to pay somebody to do that, but actually you struggle.
It's a bit of an honesty box system. So it
also that's quite problematic, isn't it. Thirteen away from seven,
Indo Brady, UK correspondent with us, Heyinda.

Speaker 23 (01:31:15):
Hey, Heather, great, speak to you him.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
Have they got the power back on?

Speaker 23 (01:31:19):
So they have, but the question marks persist about just
what went wrong so badly in Spain and Portugal yesterday.
The whole Iberian peninsula wiped out no power for hours yesterday,
disrupting everything from schools, shopping, the Madrid Open tennis flights
coming in and out with airports. It was chaos for hours.

(01:31:40):
So yes, the power back on today. Scientists are telling
us that it was a rare atmospheric phenomenon with a
huge temperature differential several kilometers up that was affecting the
power cables on the ground. I've never heard of this before.
My suspicion is that it just might have been a
cyber attack we haven't been told about. But look, it'll
all come out in the wash.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
There is some kind of speculation going on online and
we've been warned about the speculation, but there is speculation
online that Zero is to blame because of the reliance,
especially at Spain, on renewables. Is there anything to that?

Speaker 23 (01:32:12):
So there is a point on that. Actually, so the
backup supply was powered by renewables, and a lot of
the scientific community are saying that, you know, renewables were
never meant to be the backup, that there should have
been other factors in there as well. And yes, so
when they went from Plan A to Plan B. Plan
B was not working, so there is something to that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:31):
Yes, okay, interesting, Now what is going on here with
Kostama trying to get Trump the Open again?

Speaker 23 (01:32:38):
Golf diplomacy? So everyone's been watching the Prime Minister of Finland,
Alexander Stubb, who studied at an American university and is
a very seriously good golfer. So this guy flew the
other week to Florida, popped up at Mari Lago and
said the fancy around and played with Trump against some
other guys and they won. Trump and Stubb won, and

(01:32:59):
Trump was heard saying what an incredible golfer he was.
Everyone in the UK has been watching the Finnish leader
get close to Trump through golf. And now the papers
here this morning have it that kir Starmer has instructed
officials to start looking at how the Open Championship can
be given to Trump Turnberry in Ayrshire in Scotland. So

(01:33:20):
that is he owns two golf courses, one in Aberdeenshire
in Scotland and one in Ayrshire which is Trump Turnbury.
They haven't had the Open at Turnberrey since two thousand
and nine. Trump did not own it then he spent
about eighty million dollars buying it in twenty fourteen. It's
his and apparently Trump has been making regular phone calls

(01:33:40):
to Starmer and the only thing he's interested in is
getting the Open Championship back to Turnberry.

Speaker 4 (01:33:46):
Inda, does do you think kiss Dama feels even slightly
embarrassed at doing this on Trump's Behalfn't everybody watching him
just be such a lepdog.

Speaker 23 (01:33:56):
I think they're all doing it. Every single country in
the world, yours included. Everyone is making him. You know,
he is a transactional president. He's out for as much
as he can get and I'm sure it sticks in
the craw of people like Kier Starmer, who modeled themselves
as public servants and decent, honest, right minded people. But
Britain's look at our economic figures here flatlining, nothing's happening, tumbleweed.

(01:34:20):
So they want the trade deal. They're trying to remedy
all the detrimental effects of brigsit. And if allowing one
man to have a golf tournament over four days in
Scotland fixes the UK economy, I think most people would
say good luck.

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
To you, Inda, thank you so much. Really, appreciate about
as always. It's Inde Brady, a UK correspondent. Hither come on,
James Shaw knew the game was up when he came
back from COP twenty four. I suspect James Shaw may
have been the one who signed on this off this
ridiculous thing. I'm not in Dayli Shure and I'm stand
to be corrected, but I think it was James Shaw
who signed off on this ridiculous thing. We were going
to see billions of dollars. We're going to pretend that

(01:34:55):
we're going to see billions of dollars off short of
plane trees. Look, here's the thing. Everybody knows. It's not
going to happen, is it. Everybody knows? Well, I think
at the cop at Cop whatever, when they decided that
this was how it was going to work. And New
Zealand went, oh, oh are we signing a thing? Oh
are we signed anything where we don't meet that we're
going to send billions of dollars to Brazil, billions of

(01:35:16):
I just make sure, just billions of dollars to Brazil.
We're going to sign that. Yeah, they knew, didn't they
They knew because it's all airy, very nonsense for all,
just playing the game as the old emperor's clothes. Anyway, Hey,
did you know this? It matters which you get your
vaccine and you know when you go to the nurse
and they're going to give you the covid jab and
whatever jab and they say to you and which time

(01:35:38):
would you like it in? You know, and you go, oh,
you know, this doesn't really matter. Well it does. Actually
you've got to get it in the same one that
you always get it in. Now this is specifically read
the COVID jab. I'm assuming it's the same for the
flu jab and stuff, because the flu jab is my
go to jab. I love that little jab. I'm not
so keen on the covid jab anymore because it's just,
I don't know, made me feel a bit yucklass, So
I didn't it anyway, so I get the flu jab.

(01:35:59):
So apparently how it works is that when you get
the jab, this is Australian research, When you get the jab,
your body has little immune cells that go all over
your body to protect you from this particular thing that's
been introduced to you and therefore keep you safe.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
But what they've also discovered is that in the area
around where you got sick first, which will now obviously
be your jab site. There is an extra layer of
immune defense, and these little cells are extra primed more
so than the others that extra primed to be on
the lookout for this particular thing. So if you get
jabbed there and then a year later you get jabbed
in the same place, you want to get jabbed in
the same place because those little cells there are extra

(01:36:34):
extra primed, so it's more likely to work.

Speaker 31 (01:36:38):
But Heather, what if I don't remember what arm I
got jabbed in a year ago? A year ago, did
you not draw it on with permanent market?

Speaker 18 (01:36:44):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 31 (01:36:44):
I didn't think at the time it would be really
important that I would need.

Speaker 4 (01:36:47):
The same hand. I'm going to solve this for you
because I'm on a solving mission today. What you want
to do is get the tattoo. Just get a X
well a circle round it, and when they go where
would you like it, you just pull it up and
you go there every time.

Speaker 31 (01:37:00):
Right, Vaccinata can probably just have a tattooing. Then ready
next door and just ready.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
I feel like there's a business. I feel like we
have struck. I feel like when you stop talking about
it immediately, because otherwise everybody's going to get onto our
business and they're going to do it before we do it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Away from seven, it's the Heather Toople s Allen Drive
Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZBB five.

Speaker 4 (01:37:23):
Away from seven. Now, Lilybit, Princess Lily Bit has an
American accent. This is obviously Princess Lily Bit has an
American accent because she and her mum and her dad
and the brother live in Malibu, don't they, which is
in the States It is Mount No anyway, whatever, They
live in California. I don't really care anyway. So what
happened is is Meghan Markle put up an Instagram story

(01:37:46):
at the weekend and it's of her and Princess Lilybet
making jam. And this is what everybody's noticed, is that
she has an American accent. Have a listen.

Speaker 8 (01:37:56):
I think it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
I mean, like that is cute, though, isn't it. I
think it's beautiful. She has an American accent, which is
flipping people out because obviously the British family normally have
a British accent, don't they. But then let's be honest
about it. She's not really a princess, is she. She's
not really a print? Why is that shocking to you?
And negotiate to get her that.

Speaker 31 (01:38:21):
I was going to say, she didn't used to be,
but now she's closed. She's far enough off the succession.
I mean, she only needs like, what like twelve people
to die before she's queen. I think that's princess enough.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
Oh mate, they had to negotiate for her to get
the title, and she sounds like an American and she
makes jams.

Speaker 31 (01:38:35):
I mean, you know, this is the thing with the Monica.
If they decide someone's a princess, I mean, they just
get to decide that. We don't get to vote on it.
That's how it works. Okay, what have you got for us?
A metal by the Best to play us out tonight.
This is the newest song. It's their first song since
twenty twenty three when they did that re release of
Expert in a Dying Field. They're on the move too.
They've signed with a different label. They've announced North American
two a dates, so lots of hints that they may

(01:38:56):
well have an album coming out.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
In the Senate, I've got one for you for tomorrow.

Speaker 16 (01:39:00):
This is cool.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
I've got one for you tomorrow. Did you know that
Toto made it big? I read about it last night.
Did you know because I said.

Speaker 31 (01:39:06):
Oh, I was gonna say, we almost got with the
whole show without mentioning Toto almost.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
Did you know that Toto made it big again in
maybe the like two thousands because Weezer did a cover
of Africa, which reintroduced Africa to everybody.

Speaker 31 (01:39:20):
Oh, so we're going to play the Weezer.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
You need to find there some person to it. All right,
that's good.

Speaker 31 (01:39:24):
Tune again at six fifty five tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
Yep, we'll be here for Toto tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (01:39:27):
So yeah bye.

Speaker 1 (01:39:59):
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