Te Pāti Māori has been granted a stay of execution from the Privileges Committee - at least until tomorrow.
Te Pāti Māori was referred to the Privileges Committee following a haka performed during the first reading of the Treaty Principles Bill in November of last year.
Newstalk ZB political editor Jason Walls says Committee Chair Judith Collins confirmed the decision on Te Pāti Māori's fate has been delayed until 8:30pm on Wednesday - after the next meeting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jason Wool's our political editors with us. Now, Hey, Jason, afternoon, Heather.
No decision on the Privileges Committee in the hakker.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
No, not yet.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
We were told by Committee Chair Judith Collins just moments ago,
or right about half an hour ago, that the committee's
decision has been delayed till eight thirty pm tomorrow. In fact,
that's when they're going to be meeting, So it's likely
going to be a lot after eight thirty tomorrow. A
lot of this is because you know, the House ran
a little bit long today, so the meeting was pushed back.
But just moments before the Privileges Committee was supposed to
(00:30):
meet Ti Party Marty, who the Privileges Committee is meeting
about about the hakka in the House. During the first
reading of the Treatise Principal's Bill, Tiparty Marty actually leaked
a recommendation from the Privileges Committee about what some of
the things that they're considering in terms of the punishment.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So is that what their poll is that they're running
on the Facebook page.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So they're doing it a bit tongue in cheek to say,
I wonder what it's going to be. So basically the
options are So the MP's before the committee are Hannah
Rapti Mighty Clock, and it says that her punishment that
the committee is looking into severely censuring her by the
House or suspending her from the House for seven days.
When it comes to Debbie Nadi Wapaka, the options are
(01:10):
the same, but the suspension for seven, fourteen or twenty
one days, and it's the same for Arawi way Tity,
So you're not allowed to do You're not allowed to
do this. The Privileges Committee is like Vegas. What happens
in Privileges Committee stays in Privileges Committee.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So they're not happy that this has been leaked.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
My colleague Azaria Howe spoke to Judith Collins before she
went in and specifically asked her about what Ti Party
Mardi had posted.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
This is not something we've seen before. I have just
seen a copy of that through to the Privileges Committee.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Somebody else that was there that was not happy is
one Winston Raymond Peters.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh just shows the contemporal parliamentary process, that's what that shows.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So I think that if they were kind of on
the fence as to the suspension between seven and fourteen
or twenty one days before. I think this has really
helped push them over the edge a little bit. So
hopefully we'll get something to tomorrow and you'll remember how
the tomorrow was supposed to be the day that Tea
Party Marty had its own sort of Privileges Committee adjacent hearing,
which is it has no legal binding and it doesn't
(02:10):
supersede what the Privileges Committee is supposed to do. I've
heard nothing about it. I've been trying to get in
contact with Tea Party Marty all day to get some
information on that one, but so far not a sausage.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So we'll see what happens tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Explain to me, though, why is why would Debby and
the Raweri be suspended for face it? Why are they
facing a harsher punishment than Hannah.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh, I think it would be the preceding and this
is I'm just speculating. And again I mean me even
commenting on this leak is it could be seen as
a breach of privilege here.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So this is just my punishment.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well clearly not, but essentially because of all the subsequent
breaches to their Privileges committee.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I mean, this isn't the first time that they've done
something that they're not supposed to.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So is it that that Hannah's getting in trouble for
the Hukker, But they're getting in trouble for the Hakker
and just their history.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
That's what That's what I would think. And technically they're
not in trouble for the Hakker. They're in trouble for
standing on the House floor and approaching David Seymour. But
there's a lot that we have to infer because Privileges
Committee are so secret secret, in hush.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Hush, jeez. People are getting themselves tied up and knots
of this pay equity thing, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I mean it's something that you would imagine that the
government would come under enormous scrutiny for. The unions were
out in force today as with the opposition. Have a
listened to what Chris Hopkins had to say in the
House today.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Why should women across New Zealand be the sacrificial lambs
in this year's budget being told they have to acceed
lower pay for the same value work compared to their
male counterparts.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And Carmel Sapaloni's deputy was also quite fired up in
the House.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think anyone should be mistaken. This is a war
on woman, Madam Speaker.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So essentially this is Brook van Velden announcing a major
overhaul of the pay equity regime once the legislation has passed,
and it's happening in the House right now under urgency.
It will make it tougher for people to take pay
equity claims that twenty twenty regime allowed in sectors with
large female workforces to argue that they were under paid
relative to similar work done in sectors dominated by men.
(04:04):
Now here's Luxon explaining why the government's doing this.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, what we're doing here is we're making sure that
we actually have a process that's more robust, workable and sustainable.
We're making the act and the practice has moved away
from what it was intended to deal with sex based
discrimination and to a much broader set of issues around
labor market conditions and other things.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So essentially it's not fit for purpose.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And listen, you could tell that the government was really
worried about this one today because Luxon actually fronted up
to what we call the bridge run on Tuesday, which
is we grab the ministers before they go into the House.
He isn't usually come to that one, but he came
today just to answer some questions. It was very helpful
of him. And meanwhile, Nicola Willis, Judith Collins, Louise Upston,
and Nicola Grigg along with Ericus Stamfit all turned up
(04:49):
together in as sort of a joint press conference to
say why it was that they were supporting this bill.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So they're very much feeling the pressure on this.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Without all the ladies. Hey, thank you for that, appreciated Jason.
That's Jason Walls, our political editor. For more from Heather
Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to news talks. It'd be
from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Jason Wool's our political editors with us. Now, Hey, Jason, afternoon, Heather.
No decision on the Privileges Committee in the hakker.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
No, not yet.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
We were told by Committee Chair Judith Collins just moments ago,
or right about half an hour ago, that the committee's
decision has been delayed till eight thirty pm tomorrow. In fact,
that's when they're going to be meeting, So it's likely
going to be a lot after eight thirty tomorrow. A
lot of this is because you know, the House ran
a little bit long today, so the meeting was pushed back.
But just moments before the Privileges Committee was supposed to
(00:30):
meet Ti Party Marty, who the Privileges Committee is meeting
about about the hakka in the House. During the first
reading of the Treatise Principal's Bill, Tiparty Marty actually leaked
a recommendation from the Privileges Committee about what some of
the things that they're considering in terms of the punishment.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So is that what their poll is that they're running
on the Facebook page.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So they're doing it a bit tongue in cheek to say,
I wonder what it's going to be. So basically the
options are So the MP's before the committee are Hannah
Rapti Mighty Clock, and it says that her punishment that
the committee is looking into severely censuring her by the
House or suspending her from the House for seven days.
When it comes to Debbie Nadi Wapaka, the options are
(01:10):
the same, but the suspension for seven, fourteen or twenty
one days, and it's the same for Arawi way Tity,
So you're not allowed to do You're not allowed to
do this. The Privileges Committee is like Vegas. What happens
in Privileges Committee stays in Privileges Committee.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So they're not happy that this has been leaked.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
My colleague Azaria Howe spoke to Judith Collins before she
went in and specifically asked her about what Ti Party
Mardi had posted.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
This is not something we've seen before. I have just
seen a copy of that through to the Privileges Committee.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Somebody else that was there that was not happy is
one Winston Raymond Peters.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh just shows the contemporal parliamentary process, that's what that shows.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So I think that if they were kind of on
the fence as to the suspension between seven and fourteen
or twenty one days before. I think this has really
helped push them over the edge a little bit. So
hopefully we'll get something to tomorrow and you'll remember how
the tomorrow was supposed to be the day that Tea
Party Marty had its own sort of Privileges Committee adjacent hearing,
which is it has no legal binding and it doesn't
(02:10):
supersede what the Privileges Committee is supposed to do. I've
heard nothing about it. I've been trying to get in
contact with Tea Party Marty all day to get some
information on that one, but so far not a sausage.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So we'll see what happens tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Explain to me, though, why is why would Debby and
the Raweri be suspended for face it? Why are they
facing a harsher punishment than Hannah.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Oh, I think it would be the preceding and this
is I'm just speculating. And again I mean me even
commenting on this leak is it could be seen as
a breach of privilege here.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So this is just my punishment.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well clearly not, but essentially because of all the subsequent
breaches to their Privileges committee.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I mean, this isn't the first time that they've done
something that they're not supposed to.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So is it that that Hannah's getting in trouble for
the Hukker, But they're getting in trouble for the Hakker
and just their history.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
That's what That's what I would think. And technically they're
not in trouble for the Hakker. They're in trouble for
standing on the House floor and approaching David Seymour. But
there's a lot that we have to infer because Privileges
Committee are so secret secret, in hush.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Hush, jeez. People are getting themselves tied up and knots
of this pay equity thing, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I mean it's something that you would imagine that the
government would come under enormous scrutiny for. The unions were
out in force today as with the opposition. Have a
listened to what Chris Hopkins had to say in the
House today.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Why should women across New Zealand be the sacrificial lambs
in this year's budget being told they have to acceed
lower pay for the same value work compared to their
male counterparts.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
And Carmel Sapaloni's deputy was also quite fired up in
the House.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I think anyone should be mistaken. This is a war
on woman, Madam Speaker.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
So essentially this is Brook van Velden announcing a major
overhaul of the pay equity regime once the legislation has passed,
and it's happening in the House right now under urgency.
It will make it tougher for people to take pay
equity claims that twenty twenty regime allowed in sectors with
large female workforces to argue that they were under paid
relative to similar work done in sectors dominated by men.
(04:04):
Now here's Luxon explaining why the government's doing this.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well, what we're doing here is we're making sure that
we actually have a process that's more robust, workable and sustainable.
We're making the act and the practice has moved away
from what it was intended to deal with sex based
discrimination and to a much broader set of issues around
labor market conditions and other things.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
So essentially it's not fit for purpose.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
And listen, you could tell that the government was really
worried about this one today because Luxon actually fronted up
to what we call the bridge run on Tuesday, which
is we grab the ministers before they go into the House.
He isn't usually come to that one, but he came
today just to answer some questions. It was very helpful
of him. And meanwhile, Nicola Willis, Judith Collins, Louise Upston,
and Nicola Grigg along with Ericus Stamfit all turned up
(04:49):
together in as sort of a joint press conference to
say why it was that they were supporting this bill.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So they're very much feeling the pressure on this.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Without all the ladies. Hey, thank you for that, appreciated Jason.
That's Jason Walls, our political editor. For more from Heather
Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to news talks. It'd be
from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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