Full Show Podcast: 08 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One New Zealand,
Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. This advice
that we need to crack down on cash if we
want to crack down on organized crime. We're going to
get the Minister's sake on that talked to New Zealand
Rugby about its third straight loss and this is despite
record revenue, and we're going to speak to an offshop
about the problem of us taking our undies with holes
to charity shops for them to sort through.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Heather Duplessy, Ala, I get full disclosure.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
The reason that the boys who are on air just
before me decided to suddenly just start talking about Mark
Lundy without any notice that they were going to talk
about Mark Lundy was because I put them up to it.
So what happened is I bailed into the studio to
chat to them in the three o'clock news that I
wanted to know what they thought. And the reason I
wanted to know what they thought is because it has
divided our workplace out there and some of my col

(01:00):
leagues think that it's really gross that the Herald, who
we work with, have taken photos of Mark Lundy today
after he got out of jail yesterday. Now the photos
aren't anything particularly special. He's sitting in the passenger seat
of a car. All you can really see is his face,
very sad face, that funny little beard that he keeps
on rocking some sunglasses in his Latte colored hoodie. It

(01:20):
tells you nothing. It shows you almost nothing, And I
suspect the reason it shows you almost nothing is because
there are very heavy suppress suppression orders about where he
lives at the moment, So anything that identifies the town
outside of the car, I would imagine, cannot be published.
So they're a little bit limited on what they can
show you. But even though there's almost nothing to see
in these photos, boy, are we clicking on this particular story.

(01:42):
It was when I last checked, the most red and
most viewed story on the Herald. So people are interested,
and shouldn't the media be reporting and taking photos of
things that we're interested in? I would say yes. Now,
I can understand why people are grossed out by this.
I suspect a lot of that comes down to the
fact that there is significant doubt amongst some people as
to Lundy's gelt, just as there was doubt with David Baine,

(02:03):
just as there was doubt with Scott Watson. And so
the feeling is if you think you haven't he hasn't
done it, then you feel gross about the fact that
he keeps on being harrised after serving his time. But remember,
until he proves otherwise, he is a man who is
convicted of murdering his wife and daughter, and his trial
and his behavior around that gripped the nation and frankly
turned him to him into one of the most famous

(02:24):
or infamous people in the country. So he is a
legitimate news story. And it's not really a question actually
of whether the Herald should have taken those photos. It's
actually just a question of where you were going to
see that photo first, because you were going to see
it somewhere. If it wasn't on the Herald, it will
be on some other news outlet, or just someone popping
down to the local coffee shop seeing Mark Lundy there

(02:44):
taking a photo of him and putting it on social media,
because we all know what he looks like and clearly
we're all interested in him. And it was going to
happen sooner or later, wasn't it?

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Heather?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Two nine two text number and standard text fees apply,
of course. Now Labor to fight back against what it
says is the tobacco industry's influence over government. A member's
bill in the name of Labour's Eicheverral would ban government
support for the tobacco industry and require full transparency around
tobacco lobbying. Iicheverral is with me now, Heyisha.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Hey Heather, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's good to talk to you now. The headline of
your press release says Labor is launching a member's bill
to stop the government from putting tobacco industry interests ahead
of public health. How would you stop from putting that
ahead of public health?

Speaker 5 (03:29):
The bill says that the government isn't allowed to support
the tobacco industry, and it also has a number of
steps to require that any contact or interaction with the
tobacco industry is transparent. So it's reported, okay.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
And then what happens if it's reported? What do we
do with it?

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Well, a couple of things. Firstly, it means that journalists
like yourself can follow up on those links public size
them and ask questions New Zealanders should know if there's
been tobacco industry involvement between ministers and officials when particular
proposals are draft up. And that's what the bill does.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I can do you think a similar approach needs to
be taken with everybody who lobbies or just with the
tobacco guys.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
No, I don't. Tobacco is a uniquely harmful product. It
kills half the people that use it. We don't have
other products like that. So that's why we need this
specific focus on tobacco.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
What about though, the vaping industry.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Yeah. The other part of this is New Zealand over
ten years ago figned a framework Convention on tobacco control.
Because tobacco control around the world, the industry tries and
undermines it. So we haven't even brought into law those
obligations we have under that convention, and that's what this
bill is trying to do.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
But do you know what I mean? Like, I just
wonder if we are making these guys the big bad
guys and then ignoring other things that could be equally harmful,
like vaping for example.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Yeah, Look that as time goes on, we've learned more
and more about the harms to do with saping. That
tobacco is the most harmful product that's sold to consumers
in the world. So I think it does need its
own approach to stop our laws being changed for the
tobacco industry when actually we want them to support public health.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
How many people smoke in this country at the moment,
I should Oh, it's.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
I can't tell you the number, but it's six point
one percent. I think six point four percent.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
And do you know how many of us of us
suck on those USB sticks and call them vapes?

Speaker 5 (05:36):
Not so many, but a growing number, particularly amongst young people.
We saw the rate of use shaping a kick up
to about ten percent. Now it's coming down slightly, and
I hope it goes down further.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
You don't think is that's smaller. It's smaller than I
would have thought. More of us are vaping than smoking.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
It depends which age group you look at.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I believe, I believe it's something. It's still you'll know
more people who vape and smoke crime. That's right, Yeah,
me too, Okay, so do you The only point I'm
trying to make is I just feel like you guys
are weirdly fixated by the tobacco industry, and you are
ignoring things that are potentially more problematic and more widespread.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
I hope we don't ignore them, and when Labor launches
its health policy, we'll look at all of the opportunities
to prevent ill health. Tobacco and vaping another's okay, but
my thought tells more people than anything else, any other product.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well at the moment, because we've been smoking it for
donkeys years.

Speaker 6 (06:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
The reason I'm sort of saying this I share is
because I feel like this is a political move. Like
it's not to say that this is without merit, but
it just feels really weirdly political from you guys. You're
just having a crack at Casey Costello here on tobacco,
and so you're doing this when actually, if you really
cared about lobbying in people's health, you should be extending
it to all lobbying maybe or anything that people suck
into their lungs, not just tobacco.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
Yeah. Look, I think you're throw making valid a valid point.
We do need to keep it further improving our laws
on vaping. We supported the last bill that cac Costello
put up on vaping because we do think that's important. Yeah,
but just remember vaping is not yet linked to debt
in the way that tobacco.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Is not yet because we haven't been sucking it long in.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
Fa Well, the other day we saw one of the
first studies linking at to chronic lung disease, and I
think that does mean we need to take vaping more
seriously than we have.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Asha, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate it.
Thanks mate, look after yourself. As ashiverral Labour's health spokesperson. Hey,
it looks like the UK is going to be the
first country to strike a trade deal with the US.
Now this is being reported by multiple outlets on both
sides of the Atlantic. So you've got it coming out
of the US, got to come out of the UK.
It's going to be announced apparently Thursday morning, White House type,

(07:51):
Washington time. Donald Trump teased it just in the last
few hours on social media said, big news conference tomorrow
at ten am the Office concerning caplocks a major trade
deal with representatives of a big and highly respected country.
The first of many exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. Now if it
is the UK, that's a surprise, because up to now

(08:12):
they've been sort of telling us that the UK is
the third tier country in Phase three, not even not
even a priority. He was going to be Asian countries first.
And if it is the UK, it also goes some
way to answering a question which we've asked on the show,
which is the better approach to take with Trump or
the tariffs? Is it to fight him like Canada? Or
is it to kiss his butt like kissed armor. And

(08:33):
if it turns out that it's the UK, then the
answer is very much good idea to kisses butt. Quught
a past.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
It's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
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Speaker 3 (08:47):
Heather, I had to pull over and ask a crackdown
on cash. It's bad enough when you go to draw
your own money out of the banks and they want
to know what you were spending it on. What about
people like me who keep upwards of ten thousand dollars
under the mattress, so to speak. I smell a big
rat around us. We all smell a big rat around
when you just told us eighteen past four Darcy water
Grave Sports Talk coasters with me, Hey, Dars, is that.

Speaker 7 (09:08):
Like the Princess and the Pea. Can you feel that
twenty thousand?

Speaker 8 (09:12):
No?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think you lay it out in blocks, so it's flash.

Speaker 7 (09:14):
Well, maybe he bought several mattresses like the Princess in
the Pea.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Do you keep any cash in your house?

Speaker 9 (09:20):
No?

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Why not?

Speaker 7 (09:21):
I haven't got any?

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Oh okay, well, which you spent it all on your sneakers? Hey? No,
my daughter and your daughter? Hey, tell me about the
Blackfood squad. So that they've announced the squad they're going
to take on Australia.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Yes, Laura Railey, Trophy number one. It's part of the
Pack four, which is the tour between them and the
other nations on the Pacific Chiban, Canada and the USA.
That's part of their leader. Then they are playing the
second game for trophy against Australia later on the piece.
They've also got a possible's probables match I suppose you'd

(09:54):
say against the Black Fiend's fifteen, which may be one
of the matches before they go. Now, there's not a
lot of time between now and the World Cup, but
there's enough for lots of tests. But they're not having
lots of tests. They're only having a Cup Lee which
is not unlike the All Blacks in a World Cup year,
so you get that. But it's been named today the
new Girl. No surprise here is Braxton Sorenson McGee, the

(10:16):
ghost Runner. And I'll carry on banging that nickname in
until it stapstics, which it won't. U phenomenal player, wonderful
to watch, just through gaps like oh, I love that.
It's amazing. So she's in the side. So this is great,
but it all starts in earnest. The either depends on
how you look at it, the defense of the Rugby
World Cup or the chance to win it all over again.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Darcy. Yes, Perth's getting an NROL team.

Speaker 7 (10:41):
And it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Why is it ridiculous?

Speaker 7 (10:44):
What are they calling it?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
What are they calling it?

Speaker 7 (10:46):
The Bears after who? The North Sydney Bears, the famous
North Sydney Bears who actually comboed up with Manly and
it failed. This is back in two thousand. They wanted
to keep them going because North Bears with their red
and black white a famous club throughout the NRL for

(11:06):
years and years. So finally twenty twenty seven, Perth going
to get a club. They've been negotiating this for I
don't know how long. So long they had the Western
Reads but that was that was a fair The only
lasted a couple of years before I think the NRL
changed its its route and combo together, so the readmittance
after the Super League problem. So they're back and Western

(11:27):
Australia is very significant because it's a big part of Australia.
They're actually going to be playing before the Papa and
New Guineese plays, so there will be team number seventeen.
Why call it the Bears? Why call it.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
That's your big hay up? I want to know why
they got one before the South Island.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Well it took them at eighteen seventeen years of negotiations.
I think we just have to be patient.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Well we're not Australia.

Speaker 7 (11:51):
It's the National Rugby League, International rug Why would you
call it the Bears? Give it another name.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I don't even know why you were.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
Give it the Bear. But the Bears is a north
and the icon's got nothing to do with the Western
Australia Old Perth. It's a slap. Yeah, I'm over in
Western Australia and goring a lot of energy to this.
Don't want some second hand name from the past. Okay, sorry,
I just you know, they should call it the quaggas.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
It's always weird when people get upset about something you
actually don't care about at all.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
It should be the quagers.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Here it is, don't you reckon? Darcy? Thank you, Darcy
water Graves sports talk host. You'll be back at seven
this evening.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
It's four twenty two, moving the big stories of the
day forward. Aw it's Heather Duplicy on drive with One
New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd be Prime.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Ministers given a pre budget speech in Auckland today and
I read the coverage overn and I really don't know
what it was about. It was so boring. I'm not
going to lie to you. I thought maybe there's something,
maybe he's dropped some sort of hint about the budget
in here that I can sort of, you know, give
you some juice. Nothing at all anyway, So Jason Walls
has had a closer look at it. But this is

(13:00):
not unusual. Why I'm telling you this is not unusual
for a Chris Luxin speech. Often when Chris Luxen does
economic speeches, they are just kind of they dry your
tear ducts, do you know what I mean, because it's
just so dull and I think he's slipped back into
this today. So anyway, that's not unusual, that's not even newsworthy.
But Jason Walls is going through it's for us and
just seeing if there's anything that I have missed that

(13:21):
is worth bringing to your attention about the budget which
will be unveiled in a couple of weeks time. Heather,
this is the chat on the cash. I've got to
answer this question. What are we going to do about
the cash? The crackdown on cash is quite specific, right,
So organized crime, as you well know, these people run
around with bags and bags of cash and then they
go buy cars. And why that doesn't you know, flag

(13:44):
like raise the red flags immediately when somebody turns up
with a uffel bag of cash and want to buy
a Mercedes g Wagon, I feel like at that point
you should probably be not selling them the vehicle. I
don't know, exercising some due diligence, I don't know. Anyway,
what the organized crime experts have told the government is
that it would go a long way to kind of
helping us deal with organized crime if we crack down

(14:05):
on cash wages, in certain industries. There are some industries
that are high risk for organized crime and for laundering,
and they are construction and hospitality, And if we stop
paying these people in cash, then it might go somewhere
to fixing this solution. It feels like a very difficult
thing to do because surely you're entitled to ask for
your wages. I would have thought in cash. We'll talk

(14:25):
to the ministry about it. The minister responsible for this
is Casey Costello, and she'll be this after five. Also,
there is a problem with people dumping crappy clothes on
the op shops. Now the op shops have gone public
with this because I think it's actually starting to cost
them money. They I mean, one of them says. This
is one in Kaiko here said, you know, they would

(14:46):
only have to go to the tip every now and
again and get rid of all the stuff that you know,
you can't on sale. But now they're having to basically
have a skip bin emptied twice a month. That is
how much crappy clothing we're giving this particular place. And
it's stuff that you should know better about, right like
nobody once you're underwear with holes in it, if you

(15:08):
don't want your underwear with holes in it, Like you
clearly have a long tolerance for wearing like crappy undies.
But if you get to the point where even you think,
oh I'm gonna put this, don't give it to the
option what to get doing. Having said that, I wouldn't
mind a little bit, I feel like I'd probably been
at risk of giving them stuff that's just rubbish.

Speaker 9 (15:29):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (15:30):
I would like to know kind of like what the
cutoff point is? Do you know what I mean? Anyway,
the SPCA is going to be with us five fifteen.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Or so, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's hither duplicy, Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
That'd be.

Speaker 10 (15:57):
The better the things that I've gone.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Whether we are not all interested in Mark Lundy, so
called journalists like you continue to Harris and please give
a guy a break, as they say he's done the
crime and then he served the time. Surely this issue
is a first world issue when around the world people
are being killed, now discussion on that topic is of interest,
Thank you, Glenn.

Speaker 11 (16:24):
You're wrong.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Obviously people are interested. That's why it's the most read
story on the Herald. So there you go. By the way,
we've got a poll out from Curia, and we're going
to talk to Jason Wall's political editor about that. Curier
Taxpayers Union, Nationals in Front Labor is behind, but I'll
tell you what not that far behind now, I act
in New Zealand. First, the Green's all doing reasonably well

(16:45):
and so on, and the Marti Party is not doing
that well, but really who cares? All of that is
like as you would expect it. Two things of interest
in this poll. The first one is that the poll
was taken before this pay equity business kicked off, so
I would has it a bit that National will take
a dip after that, because I don't think this is
going to go down. That was which had been poorly handled.
That's all good idea poorly handled. Second thing is wrong track,

(17:06):
right track not good. So thirty three percent of us
think the country's going in the right direction, but way
more forty six percent say it's going in the wrong direction,
and that's never a good thing for a government when
it wants to be re elected. So we'll talk to
Jason will Was about that shortly. It's twenty three away
from five.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's the world wires on news Dogs Eddy Drive.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
India and Pakistani troops have exchanged artillery fire across the
line of control in Kashmir. The two countries' air forces
have also engaged in dog fights. And this man in
Indian administered Kashmir says his home has been destroyed.

Speaker 12 (17:42):
Me and my children had barely enough time to run
after two Pakistani shells landed in the middle of our home.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
You've seen our loss. We have nothing left us.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
President Donald Trump says he has a major trade deal
to announce tomorrow. According to CNN sources, it's with the UK.
Professor of economics at the University of Michigan says, at
least it is a good start.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
The United Kingdom, wonderful country, lovely people, love myself. Some
fish and chips, But there are eleventh largest trading partner.
They account for three percent of American trade. That leaves
ninety seven the cent of American trade. Are absolutely up.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
In the air.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
And finally, a woman in Michigan whose cat went missing
in twenty twenty two has been reunited with the cat.
Cat's same is Buddy. Buddy turned up outside of McDonald's
about fifteen k's from his home three years after he
went missing. The owners is she's still going to get
let Buddy roam around outside because he's a cat. That's
what cats do. But wisely she's got a microchip.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Well, I'll come back to the cat who shortly murray
Old's Ossie correspondents with us mars, why are you.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Laving our Buddy's turned up? And the brain box is saying, yeah,
he's fine to go outside.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, good on your What else is going to do
if it's not a dog?

Speaker 9 (19:03):
Leave him inside?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Have you ever owned a cat?

Speaker 9 (19:05):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, We've had plenty of cats.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Did you leave them inside? No, don't be a mentalist, geez,
you want to come home and the cats just weed?
What a nightmare?

Speaker 9 (19:16):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
So the caucus meeting, the first one is going to
be hell tomorrow, is it?

Speaker 9 (19:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
I understand it's on this afternoon. Need some of them
back to Canberra to day, but it might just be
a bit of enter team massaging with the full Cook
caucus tomorrow. But certainly labor MPs have gathered I understand
that all the entire Labor Caucus is in Canberra, and
you know there are still nine seats too close to call.

(19:41):
But Anthony Albanezi now has the task in his hands.
Are forming a new ministry and the way it works
with the Australian Labor Party heather that the factions will
nominate who they want to get up into the ministry
and then the ministry is allocated by the Prime Minister.
So you would imagine someone like Jim Charmers, who comes
from the Moderate faction, he's the Treasurer. He will stay

(20:03):
on that job. He's going to maintain. For example, Penny
Wong is another moderate, although some say she's a bit
of a lefty, and she's going to maintain her role
as Foreign Minister.

Speaker 9 (20:15):
And so it goes.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, all the talk coming out of the Labor camp.
We've got an embarrassment of riches, talent overflowing all this stuff.
They've also got what you believe, ninety one seats. They
went into this election with a one seat majority. They've
got Labour's got ninety one. The coalition is just limped
to forty today. Now they may get one or two more,
but that is a massive drubbing anyway you cut it,

(20:40):
you've got it's one hundred and fifty seat Parliament and
Labour's got over ninety seats. So certainly Albanezy, now buttressed
by a massive numerical advantage, is going to be being urged,
you know, to absolutely go hard on reform. And he's
already announced his first overseas trip will be once again
as he did in his first term as Prime minister.

(21:02):
He's going back up to Indonesia early next week after
the allocation of ministries. So he's making a very very
clear Asia is his horizon, that's his focus. And with
a massive market up there, what is it, two hundred
and eighty million people, They need to eat and they
need to have stuff that Australia makes and sell. So
that's where he's going first.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
So where are we, by the way, with replacing Dustan, Well.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
There's a leadership battle on. As you know, Angus Taylor
has got supporters. He's a hard right liberal, you know,
he is absolutely hard right. He being blamed by many
though for a dreadful election campaign performance. There was absolutely
no attempt to sell any coherent economic message and that
would have been politics one O one are you better

(21:48):
off now than you? There were three years ago that
didn't really resonate because of the Trump factor, But certainly
they could have pushed the economic narrative. That's where the
traditional bread and butter liberal values have been better economic manager.
None of that was seen. But many don't want Taylor
because they don't want the party to go further to
the right. You will not govern this country from the right.
You've got to be in the sensible center, and that's

(22:10):
why they're pushing. Others are pushing for a unity ticket
involving the moderate Susan Lee, who interestingly changed her name
from Susan with one S in the middle to a
double S when she was in her early twenties. I
think from memory because numerology said it was a good idea.
She's a parliamentary veteran, she's a moderist. Say, she's female,
and she is articulate, and these are things that clearly

(22:33):
the Buddy Bloken suits, you know, all the fellows and
Suits weren't. So they're pushing her with Dan Tean, who
is a former minister in a liberal government, are pushing
the lead Tea and ticket. There a lot of people
in the Liberal parties simply cannot imagine. They can't countenance
in a million years a female Liberal leader who can

(22:55):
actually unite the party and strike in a new direction.
You know, there will not be able to govern Heather
from the right of Australian politics. It's as smaller the
rump and it's dying off.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Mus I'm fascinated by this numerology thing, but I'm going
to consult Google rather than force you to explain it
to movies. Are you how are you? How are you
schooled up on numerology?

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Negative? Luke Skywalker? Negative?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Thank god, that's the right answer. Why is this mushroom
Chef trial not going to run as long as we thought?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I know it's fascinating viewing, right, but there's stuff happening
behind the scenes. Now the judge, that justice, mister Justice Bale,
did not spell out precisely what's happening, but the stuff
happening behind the scenes that he told the jury at
the start of this it was going to be a
six week trial, as you mentioned. Now he's told juris
today that it could be over much much shorter timeline.

(23:51):
And for example, he says, you know, there's no need
to come back on Monday. Maybe we'll see you on Tuesday,
So maybe there's some sort of plea bar behind the scenes.
Aaron Patterson, of course, has denied three counts of murders
and it was a tragic accident that she killed her
x in laws and an auntie. She says, it was
absolutely an accident. The prosecution begs to differ, so it's good. Look,

(24:16):
this is fascinated Australia. I suspect fascinated listeners and viewers
around the world. This matter. Goodness me, It's absolutely intriguing,
isn't it. But it could be over long before it
was supposed to be, and I think we'll all be
poorer for it.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Muz, I think so too. Thank you very much, really appreciated.
That's Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Right here we go. So
Susan Lee who added the extra S into her name.
She says, I read about this numerology theory that if
you add the numbers that match the letters in your name,
you can change your personality. I worked out that if
you added an extra and S, I would have an

(24:52):
incredibly exciting, interesting life and nothing would ever be boring.
It's that simple, and once I'd added the s it
was really hard to take away.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
If you think that sounds crazy, not so, according to
Australia's leading numerology Fong Shue and color expert Chris Brazil.
Brazil has been researching and practicing numerology for more than
twenty years, and this, by the way, was about ten
years ago, so it's now thirty years. She has seen
people transform their lives and companies transform their fortunes by

(25:19):
simply changing their names. When it comes to numerology and names,
what happens is the letters in your name and their
corresponding numbers must match your birth date, and when they
don't match up, it means you carry a birth emotion
which is projected on you by your mother and father
at the time of your birth. Yeah, she should be
the liberal letter.

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Speaker 3 (25:43):
It is thirteen away from five and Jason Wool's our
political editors with us.

Speaker 13 (25:46):
He Jason, good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Did you find anything in that pre budget speech that
was at all interesting?

Speaker 13 (25:53):
Not really, But I honestly think that that was probably
the point of it. It wasn't designed to set the
world on fire. It wasn't does designed to really make
everybody sit up and think, hang on a second, I've
really got to pay attention on May twenty second, because
there could be something big in there for me. In fact,
Chris Luxan took a bit of a page out of
Nikola Willis's book that Budget twenty twenty five won't be

(26:13):
a lolly scramble. So she said that last week. It's
not going to be a lolly scramble, and it's just
playing down expectations. The whole sort of ethos of the
government so far this year has been things are cooked.
The budget isn't going to be as good as we
thought it was going to be because of the mix
of the economy and the books not being as rosy
as they thought that they would be. So I don't

(26:34):
expect any major big ticket items. And that's exactly kind
of the message that Luxen was giving today. It's the
exact same message that Nicola Willis is being conveying as well.
There has been a little bit more you know, I
say there's not a lot of money in the budget.
We all know that there's a one point three billion
dollars operating allowance, I e. More money coming into it.
But there's a slightly more wiggle room now with the

(26:57):
pay equity changes. But we're gonna have to wait and
see how much that actually is.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
At the budget.

Speaker 14 (27:03):
It is the case that the number of new initiatives
and this budget would not have been possible without some
of the savings we are making.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Jason, it's more than ten billion, isn't it. Have you
managed to confirm that yet?

Speaker 9 (27:14):
Well?

Speaker 13 (27:14):
I read Audrey Young's piece this morning, and those are
the numbers that she was to.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Well, she was.

Speaker 13 (27:20):
Basically looking back into previous budgets and talking about how
much it costed in previous years in terms of what
was against sort of the p equity claims there, and
how much it would be going forward. I'm just looking
at the numbers now from Audrey, and she says that
the numbers going forward are in Just give me two

(27:41):
seconds here, Audrey.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
She says, libreak.

Speaker 13 (27:45):
She says that in last year's budget, the figure for
the current year was three point seven billion, followed by
four point six billion for the next year, four point
three for the following and then four point three That's
about seventeen billion dollars over four years. Is what she said.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I mean that is huge, isn't It's a lot to change.
I take your point about Luxon doing boring economic speeches
and that that it's designed to kind of, you know,
underwhelm and stuff. But surely, surely he wants to do
Surely today was an opportunity to say something to take
the headlines back from the pay equity thing, which continues
for day three and which is going to kick off

(28:23):
tomorrow with protests, right, wouldn't you Yeah?

Speaker 13 (28:25):
I mean, yeah you could. There could have been something
in there that would help shift the narrative. I think
that he thought that that was what was going to
happen with the social media ban, which was absolutely a
dead squab because obviously it was a members bill rather
than a government bill, which ultimately has got what a
one in forty five one and fifty chants have actually
been pulled from the ballot. So you know, he could

(28:45):
have done something big today to shift the narrative, but
he's obviously decided that he wants to sort of keep
things cool, calm and collected as it were for the budget.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Listen that right track wrong track thing in the Taxpayer's
Union Curier poll. Do we know what that's down.

Speaker 13 (28:59):
To the right track wrong track. We can it's it's
an interesting one because you know it focuses quite a
lot on the political party. But the right track wrong
track is something that has been in focus for a while.
So we'll get those that information to you as we
have it. I think my colleague Sophie Trigger has been
about that all day or since we got the numbers

(29:20):
coming out. But in terms of the numbers itself, I
mean the Labor Party is up quite substantially, seeing them
jump about three point four points to thirty three point
two percent. This hasn't come at a time when the
pay equity stuff has been in the news. This was
for covering April thirtieth to May fourth, So we're not
going that doesn't be it's not reflected in here. We're

(29:41):
gonna have to wait a little bit to see what
impact it's going to have. But if I was a polster,
I'd be out on the field now looking exactly at that.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, totally justin thanks very much, my appreciate it. That's
Jason Wall's news talks. There'd be political editor hither Mark Lundy.
I saw the headline in the Herald. I did not
open it and I'm disgusted with the Herald. Leave him be.
He's done his time. Cam You're a man of more
principles than the rest of us. As I clicked on
it happily eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers, The mic Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 15 (30:08):
Interesting Times in the Parliaments, Brook van Velden featured.

Speaker 13 (30:12):
However, I do agree with a difference journalist Mike Hoskin.

Speaker 11 (30:18):
Wait until the excitement settles down.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
There was excitement in the house over the mention of
my name.

Speaker 15 (30:23):
But Jerry had to settle the low renters down because
of course it's important when I'm quoted in the house
that things go well.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
This is why I.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Allude to this.

Speaker 15 (30:30):
The pay equity issue is never going to be sold.
But what's so disingenuous about the Labor Party is that
they can't work out what a rest home work is
really worth. So what we'll do is will compare you
to a mechanic, which of course literally makes no sense.
Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News talk z B.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Heather, what has the SPCA got to do with op shops? Well, actually,
very good question, because I did wonder that too, so
I double because I honestly, I can't remember the last
time I went to an opshop actually, and all the SpCas,
so I asked the producer about it. Producers said to me,
this is the Germans, she said, there is a fantastic SPCA.
They run off shops and then they take the proceeds

(31:10):
and then they look after the animals. And there is
a fantastic SPCA at Mount Roskell. So if you're thinking, oh,
I need to dip my toes into that, just go
straight to the Mount Roscale, say Laura sent you, and
they'll give you a discount code or something like. That'll
just eventually they'll be like, who is this person?

Speaker 13 (31:26):
Anyway?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Listen New Zealand Rugby. Now New Zealand Rugby unfortunately continues
to suffer financially. They have posted the third loss in
a row. Now, it's not that unusual for I mean,
basically Rugby works like this that they just post losses
all the time and then when they have Alliance Tour
they post a profit.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
But the problem with this is that this year, this
past financial year was a year where they brought in
a record income. Right, they have never had more money
coming into the place than last year and they still
couldn't post a profit. Now that tells you there is
something deeply wrong. Various theories as to what is going wrong.
Some people say they're investing too much in the women's games.

(32:04):
Some people say they're investing too much in their little
like internet channel nd z R plus or whatever it's called.
Some people say they're investing too much in the player salaries,
whatever it is, whatever it is, at some point they're
going to have to cut the fat on this, right
because you simply cannot continue like this, because just there
is if there is more spit like unless you're obviously
New Zealand as a country running a fiscal deficit, you

(32:27):
know you probably don't want to do it. Anyway, We're
going to talk to the boss about it when he's
with us as a boss of rugby. After half past five.
The cats, Okay, so apparently listen, there is a student
at Lincoln University who's done account on the cats, and
apparently we have one point two million pet cats and
we have about two hundred thousand stray cats. Right, so

(32:47):
that's the cat that jumped into the cart and pons
and me and ended up on the North shore, or
buddy the cat that ended up you know, disappeared for
three years or whatever. But we have twice as many
federal cats two point four million dollars, and it's renewed
calls to have some bylaws and kill the cats and
stuff like that. Now, I'm just bringing this to your
attention because we talked about the cat before, and all

(33:10):
I want to say about this is God loves a trier.
But I do not think in my life that we
will deal with these cats, do you. I just that
cats are a no go. We do not do it.
Leave the cats alone, don't worry about it. Count the cats.
That's the end of it. It's never gonna happen. But
God loves a trier absolutely. Casey Castello next.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story story.
It's either dupasy on drive with One New Zealand let's
get connected news talk.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Said, be good afternoon.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
The government's been advised to crack down on cash if
it wants to crack down on organized crime. This is
a huge problem organized crime. There's an estimated one point
six billion dollars in criminal offits and just four percent
is currently being seized by the police. Now Kesey Castalo
is the Customers Minister and also the Associate Minister of
Police and with us. Now, hey Casey, hi, Heather, how
are you well? Thank you. So what they're what they're

(34:12):
saying you should do is you should ban cash wages
and high risk industries. Can you do that? Yeah?

Speaker 16 (34:18):
So this is the and this is the part that
is it's about every mechanism that we can do to
target cash and if we can take away the money,
we can actually make them in roads. And so this
is a whole bunch of recommendations about what we can
do and pivot. So there are and this is an
area I was working in in terms of labor exploitation.
You know, the payment in cash is a right, but

(34:41):
the fact is that this is the sectors that are
most impacted by exploitation are the ones that we are
thinking that you should be able to look at some
exemptions to protect that because the legitimate nature of business
means that cash is an easy way to avoid detection.
And this is this stuff. It's a series of recommendations

(35:02):
which I think I've told them to be bold to
think of everything we can do to move faster and
stronger and more decisively to make an impact. And these
are the recommendations they've come up with, and I think
they're doing great well.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I mean, is that practical to actually say, hey, you
work in construction or you work in hospital, you can't
have your wages in cash?

Speaker 16 (35:23):
Well, I think this is the part where you start
looking at legitimately, where do people want to be paid cash?
Like this is you know, we're not talking about you know,
the majority when we used to start working, we've got
little branding bloats with cash in it. Most people are
operating in bank accounts. And so this is the stuff
that I'm really interested to look at in terms of

(35:43):
protection of workers and assuring that deductions are being done
properly and pay is being managed properly, and that they
are getting all the entitlements. The cash process makes it
very difficult to confirm those things, and I've done those investigations.
I know that that is a real issue in terms
of tracking that vulnerable people are getting what they should get.

(36:05):
And if this is leading into making illegimate businesses hired
accountability and hide cash and high profits, then I think
we should be looking at it.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Okay, interesting, should police have the ability to watch someone's
bank transactions for thirty days, for more than one day
at a time.

Speaker 16 (36:23):
The point point in that space is really looking at
at the moment we have the ability to take effectively
search warrants to search a bank account retrospectively. But that
account is now it's one that we're interested in, and
so each day the police are putting another warrant in
each day to look at it. And so therefore it's

(36:46):
just about these very strong grounds as to why you
are able to look at that bank account in the
first place. There's very strong search grounds that you are
able to get that warrant. What we're saying is, rather
than have that to establish the grounds, rather than have
a warrant every day to look at it, maybe that
we have some ability to say, look, we've now established

(37:08):
the grounds why this bank account is suspicious and to
be able to monitor that for a period of time.
Because the money moves so fast, by the time we
have this order in place, we've lost the money. It's
gone and it's generally leaving New Zealand. And that's what
we're trying to do is look at all of the
things that we can make it as hard as possible

(37:31):
for them to do business. And it's like, just as
we harden our borders, we're trying to harden our financial
borders as well. And that's whether it's scamming, whether it's drugs.
We've seen it in terms of how much money is
being circulated. So this is about all the things we
can do to make it as hard and as difficult

(37:53):
and as unattractive to do business in our shores.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, Caseie, thanks very much, appreciate Key Castello. Customers Minister
also associated Police Minister for Clan. Prime Minister is promising
he's going to use the budget to make our business
environment more attractive in a couple of weeks. He said,
initiatives to develop talent and promote competitive business settings will
feature prominently our Catherine Beard is Business New Zealand's advocacy
director and with us. Hey Catherine, Hey, good afternoon. Any

(38:18):
idea what he's talking about.

Speaker 17 (38:21):
Look, there was not a lot of detail. That was
just a flag, but what he did talk about, which
we were quite pleased about, was confirming support for the
R and D tax credit system that we've got. So
he confirmed that they'll be keeping that which we were
a bit worried about. So that's very good. We need
to be doing R and D and every country typically

(38:44):
has some sort of incentive for business to.

Speaker 18 (38:47):
Do R and D.

Speaker 17 (38:49):
In ours is it's in place. It's probably you know,
not as competitive as some other countries, but we absolutely
need it and he's confirmed that that's staying.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
So that's good.

Speaker 17 (39:01):
Refocusing the Crown Research Institutes into three or four entities
we think will work better, having a bigger focus on commercialization, etc.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Now, how is it possible for him to make it
easier for businesses both local and international to invest here.

Speaker 17 (39:20):
Look, I don't think it would be that hard, to
be honest, because we've been one of the worst places
or the hardest places to invest in the OECD. So
they will be having a look at the Act because
the Act needs fixing up. It's got a very narrow
definition of what is sensitive land, which is anything over
five hectares, So the Act needs changing. But the Investment

(39:43):
Office which they're setting up will be much more like
a confuge sort of treatment for investors and they will
have the door flung open and the welcome matt put
out and they will be connected and you know, it
will be much more of a hands on service, and
they'll be connected to opportunities and I think you know barriers.

(40:04):
If they're running into problems, you know it will be
taken to a high level and the problems will be resolved.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Okay, good stuff, Catherine, looking forward to it already. That's
Catherine Beard, advocacy director at Business New Zealand. As we know,
the conclave has started. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Go and
watch the movie, by the way, if you haven't, I'll
keep on saying that all the way through. Looks like
the bookies have the odds on this chap from Italy
becoming the next Pope Pietro Parilyn. He's the one who

(40:33):
was the Secretary of State under Pope Francis. Although will
say and we all need to be aware of this.
Just like in the movie, the one who goes in
as the favorite is often not the one who gets elected.
But anyway, the one from Italy is the favorite. And
here's the favorite. There's two big betting sites running the
odds predominantly internationally on this is Polymarket and Calshi and
Mate from Italy has a thirty one percent chance on

(40:55):
Polymarket and a thirty two percent chance on the other
one and the second favorite on both the site side.
It's just the same guy who is the one, the
cardinal from the Philippines who Tugle host Luis Tugle, who
is considered the Asian Francis. He's got twenty percent odds
on one and there's a twenty one percent chance on
the other one. And then you've got a bunch of
Italians after that, and then you've got a chat from Gharana,

(41:16):
and then you've got a chat from Hungary. But at
this stage it looks like a race between old mate
from Philippines and old mate from Italy. Quarter past. Hey,
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ut Heather do for sellen, Oh listen, Okay. I'm getting
a lot of texts about not wanting to crack down
on the cash and I'm alarmed by this, Heather, this

(42:40):
is rubbish. It's legal tender cash that are dictators in
a democracy. Heather step By step, leave our cash alone.
That's for a mitch screw that you cannot ban cash, Heather,
cash works because of the ediator policies. Blah alone and
just go anyway. Listen, here's the thing. You know, if
you are to be paid in cash, you look dodgya like.
I mean, I'm not going to make my chudgments about you,

(43:00):
but if you're coming to my house and you're doing
something and then you say, can you pay me in cash?
I'm making a judgment call on you right there. I
know what you're up to, and we all know what
you're up to. Is there ever a legitimate reason to
be asked to be paid in cash? Unless you're the babysitter,
You're welcome to tell me nine two nine two nineteen
past five. Now charity shops. Charity shops are facing massive bills,

(43:22):
they say, because of all the stuff that people are
donating that's having to go in the trash. There's one
in Kai Koi up North that's complained that it's getting
so many donations of stained underwear and wholly underwear gross
that their skippin is filling up every couple of weeks.

Speaker 9 (43:35):
Now.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Kathy Crichton is the SPCA General manager of retail and
with us. Now, Hey, Kathy, Hi, have you guys got
the same.

Speaker 8 (43:43):
Problem generally speaking, yes, I'd say that's part of the challenge.
But look, predominantly we get some very quality donations and
we're extremely grateful for them. The challenge is the dumping
piece and when we donated items that are not sellable,
and you know, I think in the process of assessing donations,

(44:04):
the thought process being you know, is it sellable, is
it safe? And is it hygienic? And your example just then?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Okay, so have you had the Holy mdies.

Speaker 8 (44:16):
Look that would come through time to time. I don't
think it's a regular and you wouldn't want that, you know,
primarily it would be unsellable clothing, so not of the
quality that you could on sell.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
This is the question that Kathy, I do. I am
confused by this, okay, because I have been clearing out
the closets and stuff lately. I've had a massive surge
of pulmones making me do that, and then I didn't
know I would take it to the charity bin things,
you know, but I didn't know what the standard was
for what you people want. How do you know?

Speaker 8 (44:48):
Yeah, I would say, you know, if you think that
someone else would benefit from that product or be happy
to pay for it, that's where it definitely is, you know,
a sellable donation and gratefully received. When you think, oh
it's kind of on the edge, maybe it's hold or
you know, needing mending, that's where I would suggest that

(45:10):
you know, some customers coming through aren't looking for that
type of product. The hygiene issues that you've highlighted, you know,
they're serious and definitely wouldn't make it to the shop floor,
but you'd think that people would consider that along the way.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
That's a slam dunkers and if the undies have pollen
it okay. Yeah, So what you're saying to me is
if it needs any mending, been it, don't put it
in the charity bin.

Speaker 8 (45:32):
Generally speaking, yes, there could always be a customer for that,
but what we find is those are the pieces that
aren't picked up by customers.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Is it true that you guys have had a two
hundred and fifty thousand dollar bill for the last year
across all your shops just to get rid of stuff
that people dump on you that you don't need.

Speaker 8 (45:50):
Yes, that's a combination of wastage as well as recycling,
because there is a conscious effort obviously to recycle in
the process. But if you think about things that you
might have seen outside op shops that are dumped overnight,
things like mattresses, you know, quite sizeable articles and quite
sizable cost of dumping that's assumed by a charity here,

(46:11):
and you know that in itself is eroding from the
good work that our volunteers and team members are doing
and building fundraising. And that's that's the challenge, the commercial challenge.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yeah. Interesting, Hey, thank you very much, Kathy appreciated. Kathy Crichton, SPCA,
General Manager of Retail five twenty.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Two informed Inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks
had been five twenty five.

Speaker 19 (46:38):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I wish we would stop being so petty that a
story about a government spending twenty thousand dollars to fly
Crystaldell back to New Zealand as a story at all.
So the story which popped up this morning is that
the government flew Chrysladdell to Auckland to speak at the
Prime Minister's Big Infrastructure Investment summit in March. They didn't
pay him a speaking fee, but they did pay for
his flights to and from New York. And the flights

(47:01):
turned out to be about twenty thousand dollars, which would
suggest that he flew up the front of the plane.
And the story is basically it costs twenty thousand dollars. Now,
why this isn't a story is because paying twenty thousand
dollars to get Chrys Ladell to speak at your conference
is an amazing deal. Because Chris Laddell has worked for
the current President of the United States, and someone like

(47:23):
Chris Laddell who's held a position like that, would command
normally huge amounts of money in speaking fees. I would
have thought. In fact, Chris Bishop, who organized the summit,
pretty much said that reckons it would be in the
tens of thousands that you would normally expect to play, okay,
and then you put the flights on top of that,
and Bishop would be right. I mean, John Key reportedly
gets forty thousand dollars every time he speaks, and he

(47:44):
wasn't working for the former or the current president of
the United States. Chrys Laddell appears to have dished out
pretty uncontroversial advice like that New Zealand should keep a
low profile at the moment, should maintain existing connections, shouldn't
push controversial topics, and so on and so forth. I
don't really know what the audience got from Chrys Laddell
that they didn't already know, but there is still even

(48:05):
if it was boring and completely uncontroversial, there is still
value in having him around because the Trump administration, as
we know, is all about relationships, and if Laddeal still
has a relationship with Trump, then it's not a bad
thing for our ministers and our Prime minister to have
a relationship with him and get to know him while
he's here. Now, look, I get why we're interested in
petty stuff like this, right. It's because twenty thousand dollars

(48:27):
is the some that we all understand. We all deal
with twenty thousand dollars at some stage, whether it's because
we're buying a house or getting paid to whatever it is.
And billions of dollars, you know, the real numbers that
matter are far too big for us to get our
head around. I mean, you know, one point three billion
dollars is not so tens of thousands of dollars is
more relatable. But there are numbers we should care more about,
like the crime of the millions and millions and millions

(48:50):
of dollars that we are paying every single day in
interest on our country's debt. And frankly, twenty thousand dollars
was a bargain for someone like chrys Ladell's time.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Would Heather do for see Ellen here that.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
You said watch Conclave and then you said watch out
because just like the movie, the favorite doesn't win. Spoiler alert, Ma,
that's what happens in literally every movie and the history
of the world. You think, oh, he's the favorite, You've
got it. Immediately you know he's not gonna win, right,
That's just called a twist, Heather. I like to be
paid in cash, so I don't pay bank fees. Oh,

(49:21):
b yes, you don't pay bank mate. If you have
a checking account, you don't pay bank fees. So you no,
You're gonna have to come up with a better argument
that you're probably doing something dodgy with it, aren't you.
Headlines next then Rugby.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
On the iHeart app, and in your car on your
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let's get connected news talk, said B.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Well, tell you what, I am surprised the level of
energy that people are bringing to this cash discussion. Like,
take a look at this heady, you're very judgmental. I'm
pretty much one hundred percent electronic person for transactions. But
that is my choice and right people that want to
use cash for one hundred and one reasons, let them.
It's legal tender. Blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway, I
can't quite get the handle of why people are so

(50:18):
hit up about the cash and I just wonder if
it's got anything to do with those conspiracy theories about cash.
You know, so all of these conspiracy theory is that
we're trying to get rid of cash and blah blah blah.
Is that what's going on here that we're feeling very
very strongly huddles with us. Shortly it's twenty four away
from six now New Zealand. Rugby has posted a new
nineteen point five million dollar loss for twenty twenty four.
This is the third loss in a row and it's

(50:40):
despite Rugby bringing in record income of two hundred and
eighty five million dollars was up seven percent. Now the
boss of New Zealand Rugby is Mark Robinson.

Speaker 20 (50:47):
Hey, Mark, afternoon, Heather.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
So what are you spending this money on.

Speaker 20 (50:52):
Well, we're investing in all levels of the game. We've
also also said that we've got an investment model that
has been in place for a long time that we
are working in the second half of this year to
step back and have a really good look at and
we spend a lot of time this afternoon with our
stakeholders talking about the sheared vision for the game and

(51:13):
the opportunity we have to reset that model. So you know,
we're really looking forward to that, to that opportunity. But
the investment has gone into record levels of investment in
the Women and Girls game to the work we're doing
in content and digital strategy game development. You know, we've
never had higher levels of investment in the community game.

(51:33):
But there's also some things with the model that we
need to spend some time working with everyone in the
game to try and improve.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Okay, so are you are you getting any returns from
this investment in the Women's game, Like, is it washing
its space or not yet?

Speaker 20 (51:47):
Well, when we say the Woman's game, it's a whole
a game strategy, isn't it. Well, over twenty million dollars
per year now into women and girls, and when we
see the increase in participation, we've had over fourteen percent
of participation at all levels of the game. That is
an incredibly positive return on investment. But we have been

(52:09):
very open that it will take time in terms of
the pure standalone commercial model to work for the women's game,
but we're happy to take that long term view and
continue to invest in it. If you look at what
we did last year at the Twickenham game, you know,
almost fifty thousand people turned up to watch that game
of Black Friens versus England. There's never been more tickets
being sold as we go into Rugby World Cup twenty
twenty five in England. So look, it's going to take

(52:31):
some time, but if you follow the trends around the
world as it relates to women's professional sport, we think
we'll get there in time.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Marg.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
I mean, I think it's admirable that you guys are
investing in areas that you see potential growth, like the
women's game, like even you ends at our Plus channel
and all that kind of stuff, But at some point
you can't keep doing this. You are going to have
to cut the fat. When is that point?

Speaker 20 (52:54):
Well, if you step back and look at the last
four years, we've raised over a billion dollars in revenue,
and if you put aside those big investments that we've
made that were always planned, you know, about forty million
dollars into stakeholders in twenty twenty two to recapitalize the
game and kickstart some really key initiatives with our stakeholders.

(53:15):
And then I think it's just over twenty million dollars
as it relates to content and digital ended our plus
they are by far the you know, the biggest representative
of the losses you refer to. If you put those aside,
the actual operational losses for the business has been around
it's been just under six million dollars for that time,
so as a business in terms of the way we're running.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
But even then, I mean business, I take your point, right,
you're putting all this investment until you can't. You know
that that might bear fruit at some point, but you
have just recorded the largest income that you've ever had
and you still can't break even. Even if you take
that story, well, well.

Speaker 20 (53:51):
That goes to a combination of things the choices we made.
You know, if you look at the loss, if you
put aside the investment in digital and content and basically
commercial growth and then and effects issue which are raised
immerged at the back end of last year, were basically
had a break even for this year. So and we've

(54:13):
been able to invest in all of those areas which
are starting to show if you look at the signing
an announcement of Toyota this week, they're definitely signaling that
that improved and growing digital reach that we have in
the ability to connect with fans and understand them more
right across New Zealand and the world for that matter,
is a big part of their involvement with us. So
we do think that we're starting to see real green

(54:36):
shoots in a few of these areas. We have had
second second year of consecutive growth in the community game.
But as you say, you know, the combination of the
ambition we have to invest in future growth at a
number of levels, combined with the I guess the historic
model we have in terms of our funding and funding
an investment framework means that we were struggling to meet

(54:59):
that break even year on you and this is why
the opportunity for the next six months is so exciting.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Hey, it's good to talk to you, Marke. I really
appreciate it. Mark Robinson, chief executive at New Zealand Rugby.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southurby's International Real d find
you are one of.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
The kind on the huddle we have this evening. Stuart Nash,
former Labor minister, and Mark Sainsbury broadcast highlights.

Speaker 21 (55:19):
Neither how are you mart?

Speaker 9 (55:21):
Good? Good?

Speaker 22 (55:22):
Now?

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Sains how do you feel about the heir all taking
photos of Mark Lundy today?

Speaker 9 (55:27):
Oh? You know, and some much others don't care, you know.

Speaker 12 (55:31):
I mean he's come out as he can't do media interviews,
so it's purely voyeuristic, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Yes, totally.

Speaker 12 (55:39):
But you know that's why we all complained about clickbait
and all this sort of stuff and we all look
at it.

Speaker 9 (55:43):
Yeah, then I did have a look. This is the thing.

Speaker 12 (55:45):
I looked at the photo, but at the same time thinking, well,
you know, it doesn't really you know, he's out, he's done,
he's done his time.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Here's a question for you, saints. How closely did you
look at the photo?

Speaker 2 (55:59):
What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (55:59):
How well like how much time did you spend looking
at me?

Speaker 9 (56:02):
I didn't spend an inordinate time.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
I spent a really long time, like I spent really Yeah.

Speaker 12 (56:08):
I concentrated on Yeah, he was that half beard, which
I think should be been for anyone.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
That's why I was because I was like, have you
you have you just got that weird little goatee or no,
now it's it's gone like full armish beard but without
the mustache. And then I was like really interrogating the
color of his hoodie and and You're like, what kind
of style are your glasses? I'm fascinated by him, are
you not?

Speaker 9 (56:30):
Look?

Speaker 12 (56:31):
There is something fascinating about about that, that whole thing.
I mean, because it's it's yeah, the whole case and
and the way it's gone through. But you know it's
it's he can't speak to the media.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I want to talk to him, don't you.

Speaker 9 (56:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (56:47):
I look, you know I remember when I think it
was Steve Braunius was fighting in this corner at one
stage he found him at quite an interesting and curious person.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
So, yeah, who does Steve Brownie has not find interesting
and curious? What do you think, Stuart? Did you did
you look at it? Did you did you.

Speaker 21 (57:05):
The guy look saying. Mark brought up a good point.
We sort of have this concept in New Zealand that
if you do the crime and you're convicted, you do
your time. And once you've done your time, society has
kind of said, you know, you you paid your penance
to get on and live your life. I know, it
doesn't matter what you think of the guy, or the
case or what you've read.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
Just let the guy be.

Speaker 21 (57:27):
He's done his time. If he wants to keep fighting
for his innocence, well then he himself is putting himself
out there. The terms of his parole are quite strict.
Just let him go. I mean, shit, we've got more
important things to deal with in this country than Mark
bloody Lunder.

Speaker 9 (57:41):
Haven't we like what?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just wondering what's top
of your mind? You pay equity Jesus day, how badly
have they stuffed this up?

Speaker 21 (57:55):
Really really badly? You know, if you're going to do
something like this, you have got to have an outstandingly
good comms program and strategy.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
That oh my gosh, do you hit ste Hey Stu?
Are you there?

Speaker 9 (58:11):
Mister Relibel? Still here?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Hey, oh, you know you are. You do it to
me most of the time too, as unusual to have
done it. Right, take a break and we'll see if
we can come back to him. Sixteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
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Speaker 3 (58:29):
All right, you're back of the huddle, Stuart Nash and
Mark Sainsbury. Now, ste you were saying that you need
a good COMMS plan if you're going to do something
like this pay equity thing.

Speaker 21 (58:36):
Yeah, you gotta have a great comm strategy because this
was always going to cause a little bit of trouble.
They've completely stuffed this up. You know, you're fifty percent
of the population of woman. You've basically said it doesn't
really matter if women aren't paid more than men, because
we've got other budget priorities, like you know, like defense,
like guns and ships and boats and tanks. But don't
worry about women's paid that. It's okay if they don't

(58:56):
get paid the same. And you know you're talking to people.
You know, I've got two daughters and a wife.

Speaker 9 (59:01):
You're a woman.

Speaker 21 (59:02):
Imagine finding out you know, your daughter's getting paid less
because she's a woman and a woman's profession. I just
think they have completely stuff And then to make it worse,
David Seymour yet again has put his footnote by coming
out and saying, oh, we've saved the government's budget by
saving them billions of dollars, so it's about the budget now,
about money And I think David Seymour shiffs if he's

(59:22):
going to be a deputy prime minister.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Well, isn't it better that he's telling the truth rather
than the others who are pretending that it's not the case?

Speaker 21 (59:30):
What is this the reason we're doing it? Are we
actually doing this because we want to save money so
we can spend another four billion dollars on defense?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Yes?

Speaker 21 (59:38):
Wow, If that is the priorze to the government, then
I think they've got and they've completely misjudged it.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
No was he?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
So can I come out yet with this right? I
don't think that what they've done is a bad thing.
I think that it's a good thing to do what
they're doing and redid the system which had got completely mad.
It's just the way that they've handled it and the
way they've communicated it and done it on a shifty
way that's the problem. So it looks underhand, right, and
they haven't sold the story. Is that fair?

Speaker 21 (01:00:01):
Yeah, that's completely fair. Big Well, the thing is here
that I don't know that's the case.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
And the reason I.

Speaker 21 (01:00:06):
Say that is if I had a really if I
had a really sound understanding of why they were doing this,
then I might take that stance and go, yeah, okay,
I kind of see why they haven't told you, why
they haven't told me, why they're doing this, what the
cost of this is, what the implications are, and how
we're actually going to ensure that that women employed in
industries that a woman dominated are actually going to be

(01:00:29):
paid a fair ways for a fair day's pay and
not undervalued compared to men.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Saying so what do you think, Oh, look.

Speaker 12 (01:00:36):
I think it's a bit of a disaster if you
really want to sort of ruin political chances piss.

Speaker 9 (01:00:40):
Off hundreds of thousands of women, which is what they've done.
And I think, look, if there are good reasons for
it here.

Speaker 12 (01:00:46):
That if they're saying, as the saying, oh we're doing
this for women, effort's collective laugh, then you've.

Speaker 9 (01:00:50):
Got to come up with the goods and show why
it's happened. I think, I think still it was right.
I was right on the money.

Speaker 12 (01:00:56):
To come out with something like this without a plan
of how to sell and explain to people why the
done it, it just looks like we're happy to give
tax cuts to you know, our mates. I'm happy to
give tax cuts to landlords, but the working women of
New Zealand they're going to pay for it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
So once again the landlord tax totally thing, totally tax break,
fair thing to do. Badly communicated, which seems to be
a common theme with these guys. Now listen saying so
I'm getting a lot of texts defending cash and taking
your wages in cash. But let's be honest about it
and tell me what you think if someone asks you
to be paid in cash. There is no not dodgy

(01:01:28):
reason is there.

Speaker 9 (01:01:30):
It's look, it used to be the old cashy jobs.

Speaker 12 (01:01:33):
You didn't pay tax, you didn't pay gest all that
sort of thing. But cash is just now. I mean,
you know, my wife's a lawyer. There anty money laundering.
Anyone spending more than ten thousand in cash, you've got
to explain where it came from.

Speaker 9 (01:01:47):
You know, because cash is dodge.

Speaker 12 (01:01:50):
You wonder what you wonder what's going to happen to
the illegal drugs industry if they get rid.

Speaker 9 (01:01:53):
Of case transactions.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Don't you think if somebody says to you that they
want to be paid in cash, you know that it's
up to no good to Look, I.

Speaker 21 (01:02:01):
Was a Minister of Revenue and this is a massive,
big problem. There were people getting paid cash and basically
that was you know, that was the word for we're
going to do this illegally. And yeah, this is a
whole lot of people. Look there, I doubt there's anyone
listening to to your program tonight that doesn't have a
cell phone. If you get a cell phone, you have
the ability to pay anything. With today's rather antiquated technology,

(01:02:22):
you really don't need cash unless you're going to do
something dodgy, or you've got it from doing something dodgy.

Speaker 12 (01:02:28):
The weird thing is, I've had cash in my pocket
which sits there for almost for weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah, well, I always assume that I've got cash that's
been sitting there for weeks, and I'm alway disappointed when
I opened the wallet and I found that I did,
in fact spend it weeks ago. No, no, no hold on it.
Text to you, I think you. I think you were
too you were too sweeping with that statement, because sometimes
it's a good thing to have cash to, for example,
pay the babysitter, right, or you know you've got to

(01:02:52):
have a bit of cash for we.

Speaker 9 (01:02:55):
Text don't go down there.

Speaker 21 (01:02:58):
And exactly, she's very cool much if you want to
talk about text and charities. The thing is is that
I'm like you. I mean, I like to have a
fifty dollars sitting around somewhere just in case I need it. Yeah,
and then I go to find it when the kids
need for some sort of social and I find one
of the other kids has taken it. But we're not
talking about this, right. We're talking about someone coming along
and saying, hey, look I can build your fence. It's

(01:03:19):
going to cost you twelve hundred bucks, but if you
pay me cash, I can do it for a thousand. Now,
I think in this day and age, that's acceptable. And
all the hones spills out there and the vast majority
are will go shit. Aus I'm paying text in this biggar, isn't.
I don't think there's any reason to not have to
pay it.

Speaker 9 (01:03:34):
And they're not doing it to avoid bank fees.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Are they?

Speaker 16 (01:03:36):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
Bank fees. Guys, thanks very much, appreciate. It's Stuart Nash,
former Labor Minister Mark Sainsbury broadcast I ate away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Hither I have cash that I can buy takeaways and
not have my wife give me a hard time. That's
actually a fair point. I have my own bank account
because I get such a hard time. I get such
a hard time for what I spend money on. But
now what I do is I spend money on him.
So I say, would you would you like some new
T shirts. He's like, yeah, I'll pay, And now I'll

(01:04:14):
pay for you. Then that gives me a free run.
So maybe you should try doing that. Buy her something
and then she won't mind if you buy yourself something. Listen,
there's a twist in Australian politics which has just happened
in the last thirty forty minutes or so. Senator just
Enter Price has defected to the Liberal Party from the Nationals.
The word is that she's defected in order to run
for the deputy leadership of the Liberals in replacing Dutton.

(01:04:36):
So she's going to support Angus Taylor's bid, by the
looks of things, and we'll end up being his deputy.
Gets five away from six hither. I'm a woman and
I'm not pissed off with pay equity being revisited. Look,
I am a woman too, and more am I and
I feel like both those boys. And in fact, a
lot of commentators on the show in the last few
days have made the same mistake of assuming all of

(01:04:57):
us women think the same. Shock we don't. That's why
we don't all love just thunder right, some of us
do and some of us don't because we don't think
the same. So I think when you hear a commentator go, oh,
half the country is women and they have just pissed
off half the country. No they haven't. They haven't, and
there'll be a lot of blokes will be upset on
behalf of women and women who'll be upset on. But

(01:05:17):
it's basically, if you know, make a mistake thinking that
we all think the same, we do not. Anyway, some
of us actually understand what happened and we don't mind.
Now we're going to go after six o'clock to or
Torua because there's this big tourism convention going on at
there at the moment. But no surprise to anyone who's
been watching the emergency housing situation in the UA, it
is absolutely gone to the dogs when it comes to tourism.

(01:05:38):
So we'll touch base with the mayor and find out
what's up now. I recommend just a bit of recommended
reading for you, Virginia Fallon's piece about Bob Jones and
the Post. I love reading Virginia Fallon stuff. She's a
great writer and she gives you a brilliant picture of
what Bob Jones was like. She writes this about ten
years ago. For about six months, so, Bob Jones used

(01:05:59):
to call me every few days. Back then, I was
a baby journalist. Community papers were still a thing, and
I'd written a story about kids going without school lunches.
Bob had read the piece, which is why he called
the newsroom and demanded be put through to the girl
who wrote it. I've decided I should help, he said,
not that their parents deserve it. Initially, Bob asked me,

(01:06:19):
called me to ask about the kids who were going
without lunches, what sort of parents they had, and why
they weren't being fed. And he usually called about eleven am,
and I blocked it out in my calendar as Bob's
bit and looked forward to our sparring sessions because he
made me laugh and laugh, and I wasn't laughing in
any sort of scoffing or defensive way, but because he
was really brutally funny. He was offensive and caustic, awful,
and unfortunately often right on. He was brilliantly, obnoxiously hilarious. Anyway,

(01:06:44):
she goes on to say they talked for six months,
basically every other day. He gave her lots of advice.
I told her to give up journalism, but also he
helped those kids who weren't getting fed. And she didn't
say why because he swore her to secrecy. But that's
exactly what Bob was like, secretly extremely generous. News Talks EB.

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Rotua is one of the North Island's biggest tourism destinations.
It's been playing host to a big tourism conference this week,
but unfortunately, local business owners say the city feels dead

(01:07:42):
with fewer visitors than pre COVID. Tanya Tapsle is the
mayor of Rotu and is with us. Now, Hey, Tanya Sulder,
what's going wrong?

Speaker 22 (01:07:50):
Well, I don't know what this journalist is up to
on because we have been absolutely smashing it intourism here
at to be.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Honest, okay, loving the energy you're bringing to it, I'm
not really that convinced when adjusted for inflation rough through
his visitor spender sitting at around eighty four percent of
what it was pre COVID.

Speaker 22 (01:08:13):
Yeah, you know, people say pre COVID, this pre COVID,
that was five years ago. And by the way, we
are smashing it with the statistics as well. So we're
pretty surprised when we saw this very negative media article.
We surprised people are picking attle to do. No, but
will we fight back?

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (01:08:30):
And actually, if you look at the numbers, we're averaging
nineteen thousand visitors a day. So if you think about
the stats that this journalist has chosen to look at,
spend data is only on the credit card. Now, how
often do we book things using online data? So you know,
it's what you choose to pick, and we choose to
pick the positive view.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
But what about all the people who are in little
truer who are talking to this journalist and saying this
is their experience.

Speaker 22 (01:08:56):
Well, the funny thing about that is she's talking about tourism,
but they haven't actually asked any one in tourism a
couple of cafes or rather dodgy looking accommodation provider. And
actually we're hosting the biggest tourism industry event in the
country at the moment called Trends, and we also are
sharing the love on all the great things we're doing.
And we've just launched a Northiland collaboration. So when we

(01:09:17):
go all the way around the world promoting at Ortudo,
are we saying, you know what, let's get people around
the North Island. So you know, I really pushed back
on people thinking and trying to say it Ortred is
not doing good. If you have been here anytime recently
you would have seen a significant investment that's gone and
the place is looking awesome. I even't had the Prime
Minister visit a Orchuda and say, hey, this place has

(01:09:39):
really cleaned itself up. It's looking awesome. It is really
going for gold.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Tanya, I understand why. I mean, look, if I was
your comms person as your media manager, I would say, Tanya,
you go out there and you dispel that notion immediately
and get the tourists back in, right, But why would
these cafe owners and the dodgy accommodation provided tell us
tell the journalists that there aren't as many tourists, Like,
what's in it for them to talk down your town

(01:10:04):
other than to tell the truth.

Speaker 22 (01:10:06):
Look, it's easy for people to dig their own hole.

Speaker 16 (01:10:08):
Right.

Speaker 22 (01:10:09):
I don't know what day of the week this lady
went to go ask us them, But the reality is
across our hotels we have seen year on year increases,
whether that's occupancy even the daily rate that they charge.
You know, we really are and always that you look
at at the statistics, we are doing really well and
actually even an international visitors, but also is outpacing the

(01:10:31):
rest of the country. These are stats. These are actually
you can find them online very easily, and over the
last two months we're actually up fifteen percent year on
year compared to six percent across New Zealand. So you know,
I'm not just out here promoting my destination because I'm
the mayor. I'm actually sticking up for what's correct, what's accurate,
and actually, like I said, we're smashing it and we

(01:10:53):
will continue to do so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Tanya, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Mate. It's Tanya
taps on the Mayor of true if we could all
have advocates like that. Hey, bad news, Well, it depends
on what you look at it. I guess this is
good news. The good news is that we're going to
have enough gas this winter to get us through winter.
The bad news is that we're buying it again from
methin x is this Contact Energy has announced that they're

(01:11:17):
going to buy this. It's about two point eight pedadules
of gas starting effective immediately, running for eight weeks, So
what would that take us through month and May month
of June. So basically then, well, I bet they're going
to have to buy some in July. If they're buying
it for the I would say they're saying eight weeks,
but I suspect it's going to carry on for longer anyway,
hopefully maybe they're waiting for the winter rains to come
in and fill up the hydrodrams. I don't really know anyway.

(01:11:40):
Why this is bad news is that it's expensive. Right,
This is what we did last time last winter, and
something I think meth and X made off us something
like one hundred and sixty seven million dollars selling US gas.

Speaker 9 (01:11:51):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
I don't know how that compares to what they would
have got if that actually just carried on with what
they were actually doing primarily as their business, rather than
shutting everything down and then selling us the gas. But
doesn't feel like a good way to be running an
electricity sector, do you know what I mean? You've got
this business that's supposed to be supposed to be earning
US export revenue, we shut it down, we redirect the gas,
and we pay them so we can keep the things going.

(01:12:12):
That doesn't feel like a good idea. But then again,
at least our lights are not going out this winter.
Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Now heller do for see Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Right, it's sixteen past six. Now we're two weeks away
from the budget, so the hints keep on dropping. The
Prime Minister said the government will increase total capital expenditure
it's allocated in its upcoming budget by four hundred million dollars.
That money goes into capital projects in health, education, defense, transport,
portfolios and so on. Liam dan Is, the Herald's business
editor at large, and with us Now.

Speaker 23 (01:13:38):
Hey, Liam, Hi, here's it go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
I'm very well, thank you. So why the significance of
the capital budget going up as what.

Speaker 23 (01:13:47):
Well, we had a little bit about we had from
Nikola Willis last week the operating budget and that was
a big cut to it, and that was that's the
money on hand to basically pay wages and keep the
keep the government functioning, and that that was pretty austere.
And so you know, Nicola Willis had called her speech
last week a growth budget and you're sort of scratching

(01:14:09):
our heads. Well, it doesn't look very growth orientated. So
the capital expenditure is a bit larger, but you know,
so that that's good, and there was talk about some significant,
significant investment in infrastructure projects, which you know would be great.
I mean, that's the sort of money that you can
you can spend. Of course a few you've got to

(01:14:29):
make the projects happen, as we've found out in the
last few years. But you know, that's a good thing.
Just I just think we probably have to remember there's
a big decisions that the government has to make about
how much of this bending on defense goes, you know,
in the next year or so and over the next
four years. So they've actually you know, said they're going

(01:14:50):
to up defense spending. I think it's something like six
point six point five billion or something like that on
top of what they're already doing. So that would be
from the capital allowance as well. So yeah, this, you know,
it's sort of like they're giving us little clues as
they go as to where this budget's going. It's it's
not going to be a big key as well, we

(01:15:14):
got this and that and this, but it's you know,
in terms of the jigsaw of how they navigate I
guess this difficult fiscal period and keep going for gross
it was a little bit more detail and it's kind
of interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Yeah, I suppose it is. I mean, so Chris Luxin's
done the speech today right where he's pumped up the
support for business. What are we expecting to see. Have
we got any idea at all what he's going to
do to make it easier for business to be able
to invest.

Speaker 23 (01:15:42):
Yeah, so he alluded to doing some some not not
huge things, but small things that would help businesses invest.
And I wonder whether it's this sort of the kind
of tax rebate on you know, that allows you to
depreciate or will take a tax rebeat on depreciation of assets,
because I know that's one that's the Employers and Manufacturers
Association has really lobbied hard for over the years. It

(01:16:04):
just means, you know, if to encourage businesses to invest
in new equipment and new technology. Obviously, you know, the
minute you take it out of the shop, it starts
to depreciate, and every year it depreciates and you can
claim back some tax on the depreciation. Now you can
set that at a different levels, so it may not
be a huge amount of money, but you know, that's

(01:16:26):
quite a positive thing because when we look at New
Zealand's productivity, we know that you know, the not investing
in the latest technology is one of the reasons that
we say that we're sort of behind on productivity if
you look at countries like Germany so on, where they
use all the latest technology that helps drive productivity. So
that's the kind of thing the government could do that

(01:16:46):
would sort of pay a dividend in the end, is
you know, in terms of boosting the economy and going
for growth, which is their mantra.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Obviously, Liam, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you, mate.
That's Liam Dan. The Herald's Business editor at large.

Speaker 4 (01:16:58):
Heather Duplessy Ellen just having a look at.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
The dodgy looking accommodation provider in the that. I don't
know how the mayor is gonna I don't know how
Motel is going to feel about that when they realize
what the maya just said. It's not that bad looking.
It's it's actually it's I mean, it's a motel, so
it's got some strong Motel vibes going on, you know.
But it's definitely got a kind of like it's got

(01:17:22):
an American desert feel about it, you know, like like
a bit Las Vegas. The sign out the side is
a bit Las Vegasy has done and corrugated iron. I
don't know, that's not particularly less. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 24 (01:17:36):
The pool actually looks quite now I'd stay there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Yeah, the pool, the pool looks nice. The pools I've
got to give.

Speaker 24 (01:17:41):
Them doesn't mean it's not dodgy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
If you see ants there, then she's right. And the pool,
I've can giving them points on their water clarity. It's
a it's a fresh looking pool. It is a little
bit small like it's a it's it's a family sized pool,
isn't it. It's not really like a result sized pool.
I would say, very nice photo gallery. They've got heat
the spars, so you can book yourself a room with
a spy. You can go as antsys to the pool.

(01:18:04):
There's a man with gray hair who will cook you
some snarlers. I'm guessing he's not a guest. I'm sold.
He looks like the motel's Butler's a butler. That's right,
he's standing there with Actually those are not snarlers. I
lie to you. You know when you go to the
supermarket and you buy like a styrofoam packet of meat

(01:18:25):
and you get like four bits of rump steak or
like four little surloins. He's got a packet of he's
whipped the old the glad rap back on it, and
he's busy tonguing one out onto the the as a
flat burner. So they haven't gone for the web, but
they've gone for the flat burner, but on the rusty side.
But that's okay because in the desert, these things do
you know, that perish? And there's a pot on the

(01:18:46):
barbecue as well, so I'm feeling like that, I'm not
sure why, like, what are you cooking a pot on
a barbecue? Lobsters? Yeah, crayfish, that's what you're getting here.
And also, by the way, for all of this, and
then and then there's the dessert has been laid out
for you. You've got toast. You've got two corn flakes,
You've got two jugs of milk which is generous, two

(01:19:07):
little muffins with lots of those littlee hundred and thousand
sprinkles on them, two little yogurts berries ones, and then
two orange juice is glad wrapped up, and two trays
of peaches glad wrapped up. So they've gone to the
food hygiene is out the gate on this place. And
for all of that, right, for everything that you get
your butler doing your meat, you're gonna get all of
that for your breakfast. You're gonna get your pool, You're
gonna get your spar You are only paying one hundred

(01:19:28):
and fifty dollars a night. That is a bargain. So
I feel like Tanya may need to apologize to this outfit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
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Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Cowcolar Jamie Mackay Hosts of the Countries with Me Now, Jamie, Hello, okay,
So what's this fight against the banking wokery that's going on?
How's it continuing?

Speaker 19 (01:19:51):
Well, you know, the the best ideas are often borrowed
ideas from other people. I was reading a piece in
the Rural News, one of our leading rural publictions in
this country, from their acervic sort of or even vitriolic
cartoon character the Hound. Now this was made up by
the late David Anderson, one of the leading rural journals

(01:20:12):
in this country, incidentally the brother of Miles Anderson, the
national MP for White Taki. But the Hound wrote in
the Rural News, and this is good and it follows
on from a chat I had earlier in the week
with Mark Cameron, The Good Fight against banking wokery continues
with a draft bell to scrap the red tape forcing
banks and financial institutions to make climate related disclosures. Then

(01:20:34):
the Hound went on to quote Mark Cameron, who's refreshingly
down to earth the ACT MP from Northland. He said,
farmers are already seeing discrimination creeping into interstrates based on
perceived emissions. They fair they'll be the next to be debanked,
not because of any financial risk, but because they don't
fit the agenda of the suit and ty Bigwicks. We've

(01:20:55):
already seen it happening to essential industries like mining and
service station. So Mark Cameron leading the charge for ACT,
joining Winston and Shane's war on wokery with the banks,
and I say all power to them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
You totally couldn't agree more. Now, what are these loopholes
around the carbon farming and the planting.

Speaker 19 (01:21:14):
Well beef and lamb New Zealand have urged the government
to close some of these carbon farming loopholes. They came
out well that they came out or the government came
out on the fourth of December last year. But Chair
Ackland is quite rightly saying when these limits were announced
the PEG in the sand was put in the ground
on the fourth of December last year. The government would

(01:21:36):
ensure that unless there was a clear intent for conversion
before that date, you couldn't do it. But people are
driving truck and trailer units through these loopholes at the moment.
What the MPI should I say. Came out with guidance
on what constitutes intent, but Kate Ackland saying these guidelines

(01:21:57):
are deeply flawed. She says the two key flaws and
the guidance relate to accepting receipts for ordering seedlings and
accepting third party assessments of farmland for a forestation, and
there are ways you can get around those, and she
quite rightly says, look, anyone can buy some seedlings. It's
not uncommon to purchase them and worry about where they'll

(01:22:18):
be planted later.

Speaker 9 (01:22:18):
In such cases, there is.

Speaker 19 (01:22:20):
No intent to enter any particular parcel of land into
the etes. So people are still getting are still dodging
this one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Heather.

Speaker 19 (01:22:28):
We'll come in to force the legislation in October of
this year, but some people, including federated farmers, are saying
why not do a pay equity rush it through the
house type legislation? They're not quite as keen on that
one as they are on the pay equity and too.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Right, Hey, thank you very much, Jammy, look after yourself.
It's Jammy Mackay, host of the country right. Weight Watchers
has filed for bankruptcy in the US. Apparently brand recognition
for the business has just fallen through the floor. And
you'd have to say, I mean, back in the day
when it was Oprah and weight Watches, everybody knew about it.
Right nowadays, do you actually talk about it? Do you
actually see it that much?

Speaker 22 (01:23:02):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Anyway, we'll get the details on what exactly went wrong
with the nutritionists shortly. News talks at.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
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It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Hellen
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Sug we get for our tepl bebil.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Inter Brady's with us in ten minutes time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
We're going to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
About this US UK FTA. Things seem to be going
well for Keir Starmer. If this turns out to be true.
We'll get the details from Ender shortly. Now Susan Lee. Uh,
this is the one who I was who Mars was
telling us about earlier. Who has She's in the running
to be the new the replacement for Peter Dutton, and

(01:23:56):
she changed her name and added an extra s for
the numerology and so on. Anyway, she gets even more interesting.
Like you, I've already found who I'm rooting for in
this particular contest, and it is definitely Susan with two s's,
because let me tell you about Susan. Okay, So, Susan
was a pilot. She was born in Nigeria. She grew
up in the Middle East. Her dad was a British

(01:24:18):
intelligence agent. So she's already fascinating at this point, right,
but never not even and then she grew up. Before
she became a pilot, she had a boring period where
she graduated with postgrad in like taxation and accounting and
boring stuff like that. But actually she wasn't a boring
person at all, despite the degree. She used to wear
spiky long hair and a dog collar when she was

(01:24:40):
studying at a Canberra high school. She was a little
punk rocker. Anyway, she then resigned. She's been in cabinet
before she resigned in cabinet from cabinet in twenty seventeen
in Australia because there was a bit of an expenses scandal.
She likes herself a charted plane. She doesn't like catching
the commercial flats like the rest of us. So she's like,
like Bob Jones, here thirteen thousand dollars to pilot charted

(01:25:02):
planes between capital cities, which is obviously more expensive than
commercial flights, and people didn't love it anyway. So then
twenty twenty three, fast forward to twenty twenty three, she
turns up to Parliament dressed as Tina Turner.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Oh, with some nervousness, I give the call to the
Leader of the Opposition.

Speaker 14 (01:25:18):
Thank you, mister speaker. And I know at least one
of the questions you're asking, And yes, this is for
a dare, a dare for a very worthwhile cause. First,
let me introduce my alter ego, Tina Lena Turner.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
She doesn't need an alter ego because her actual ego
is so interesting as it is. And she has turned
up in Parliament in a mini skirt that like the
full teen at Turner. You know, when Tina did her
skanky phases. She had the really short skirts and the
like all the leg she has this on, plus the wig.
The friday before she turned up. What had happened is
she'd promised to do the Tina stunt at this cancer

(01:25:55):
frendraiser if the donation total had one hundred thousand Australian dollars,
and it did so she was true to her word.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
Ever do for Cee Ellen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Now, weight Watchers is filing for bankruptcy in the US.
The weight loss service has run for more than sixty years,
but recently ran into a little bit of trouble. According
to brand tracking platform Tracksuit, awareness of the weight Watchers
brand in New Zealand has dropped by twenty two percent
in just the last two and a half years, which
is stunning. I would have thought Nicky Hart is a
nutritionist and with this now, Hey Nikki, Hey Helen, what

(01:26:23):
went wrong for them?

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:26:25):
Look, I think it's multifactorial. I mean, if you look
back sixty years ago, the messaging around weight loss was
really simple, eat less, do more. But we know it's
more complicated than that now. And I wonder if if
I look at maybe and it was predominantly women who
were using it, way back in the day. I think
we've matured. We're coming up the other end, going, actually,

(01:26:46):
I'm not buying into this now, and I need to
look after my nutrition. Are there other ways that I
can look after my health well being in my weight
And maybe it's not weightwatching, but.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Nicky, I thought it was always just I still think
it's about maths, isn't it. It's calor reason have to
be fewer than calories out Ah.

Speaker 18 (01:27:03):
I know, because when you look at all the environmental
factors and stuff at play now, and you've got to
look at genetics and other things as well. I think
there's more to it. I think there's also with the
advent of injectibles, the g alkaline antagonists, I think that's
playing a role in this as well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
So we found a shortcut, isn't that The truth, Nicky,
Is that we've found that you can give yourself a
little injection in the butt like ozen pic and it's
much easier than cutting down your calories.

Speaker 18 (01:27:31):
Yeah, but it's expensive, Heather, you know, like you're looking
at at least five hundred dollars a month to be
able to do this. So I don't actually think it's
about as simple as an injectible either. I think I
think there's the shift now that that whole input output
thing we now know that's say, for example, increasing your
protein gives you greater satiation, so you don't tend to

(01:27:53):
want as much food. So there's a lot of women
now who are doing a higher protein level in their diet,
realizing they don't need to restrict their calories and eat
rice cakes and bean sprouts and so feel that they
can lose weight without doings.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Niki, what what are you telling me that if I
eat myself a gigantic piece of sta what a satiation?
So that's satisfied.

Speaker 18 (01:28:14):
Yes, you can feel fuller on the type of food
that you're eating, but.

Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Though still calories and calories outgo. I feel like we're
getting distracted, but I'm loving it. Isn't it still the same?
Because if I eat a gigantic piece of steak that
maybe two hundred grams is four hundred calories, then I'm
not going to want to have all the chocolates and
the cakes and stuff, right, so it keeps me full
of for longer. Therefore, I still am taking in fewer calories.

Speaker 18 (01:28:37):
Yep, But the craving so That's what ozenpic and stuff
does is that they block you wanting sweet refined cover
hydrants especially, and so therefore you're not getting those refined
cal calories. But we still can't afford you to be malnourished.
We still can't afford you to become micronutrient deficient because

(01:28:57):
you're eating too low in total calories. We want the
calories you do consume.

Speaker 17 (01:29:04):
Yeah, totally, yeah, I hear.

Speaker 16 (01:29:06):
Okay, so is that for me?

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Okay? So, Nikki, what the planning to do at weight
watches now is to do Tellyhealth. Is that going to work?
Because it sounded to me like the Teally Health is
basically going to be a teallyhealth service that helps you
to get a prescription for the things like ozmpic, can
we go v and so on.

Speaker 18 (01:29:22):
Yeah, But I think we, I personally think that you
shouldn't you shouldn't need that either. I believe that if
you are under the guidance of your GP or healthcare professional.
I don't know where they're place is for weight watches,
but back in the day, like weight watches, we used
to have our lovely John Burtbeck, who was their medical
advisor here in New Zealand and it was based on

(01:29:43):
our food and nutrition guidelines, Heather, That's what it was originally,
and then it kind of morphed into this whole kind
of points system, and I think women were like saving
all their points up and eating pizza, you know, because
they could save their points up and do it that way,
and that wasn't good nutrition. Whereas I think worth the
advent of social media and all these g LP one things,

(01:30:04):
women especially are sourcing their information a little bit more
crudibly and going, well, actually, what do I need for
my health and well being, not just for weight loss
but for everything else and conjubidis.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Yeah, thank you, that's fascinating. I really appreciate it. Nikky
Hart nutritionist. I used to buy the way I mean,
you know it's calories and then calories out, don't you.
I used to save my calories up for a whiskey
soda times three. I don't do that one. But this
is the thing is everybody who's trying to lose but
what I'm only speaking about my friendship group and my

(01:30:36):
family and my mother when they're trying to lose weight.
I'm like, my first question is always do you drink
gin and tonic. Do you drink a beer? And I
was like, yeah, I love a Gin and Donnic. Like, okay,
well there you go, did you know right? And that's
the thing. You've got to cut that out immediately if
you want to lose weight. A beer has one hundred
and twenty calories in it, Okay, A Gin and Tonic

(01:30:57):
has one hundred and eighty calories. I think by memory
on hundred and fifty hundred and eight is massive. It's like,
if you drink a Gin and Tonic, you're eating three
pieces of vogels toast, Like everyone is three pieces of
vocals toast. Do you sit there at night and just
smash yourself nine pieces of vogels toast in your face? No,
so you shouldn't have three Gin and Tonics if you're trying.

Speaker 24 (01:31:16):
To lose weight, these vogals toast is pretty good. Yeah,
but please, I was gonna have nine pieces of toast.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Would you have nine pieces of toast or three Gin
and Tonics?

Speaker 9 (01:31:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
The gin and Toinic?

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Yeah, well we all would, right. So anyway, so this
is my tip always if I I mean, who cares
what I think, but I'm always like, cut out that
cut out. That's your alcohol. It's always you alcohol. It's
always you alcohol. Go for a gin and soda, gin
and soda, vodka, soda, whiskey soda, because then the only
calories you're taking in are your alcohol content, which is
like sixty calories and a nip. Right, let me tell
you those nips are not generous. Man. You're living it's

(01:31:47):
like it's rations. Man, it's rations when you're trying to
lose weight. Here the weight while watch has died because
fat housewives got access to the Internet and they're not idiots.
That's not rocket science, Thank you very much, John Helen.
You're going to have to work on your brand awareness
that I am. It is a pity sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:32:15):
Use talks env Here the used diet tonic with your gin.
You've only got fifty six calories per cap Well, no,
because you know it has that in diet anything has
that yucky, that fake sugar, this disgusting. I frankly would
rather have soda and actually soda with gin. I tell
you what it can taste all the notes. It's you're
not just eating your sugar are Yeah, you're not. I'm

(01:32:36):
not eighteen years old. I don't need to drink that
much soda thirteen away from seven. And when I say soda,
I do mean like like pop soda. Do you know
what I mean? Like soda? Water is fine. It's very classy.
Indo Brady UK corresponding with US. Now, Hey, Enda, hey,
he how are you? I'm very well, thank you. This
is a surprise, this UK FTA with the US, right,
because we thought you people were in the third phase.

Speaker 11 (01:32:58):
Yeah, so we find this out overnight via social media.
President Trump has been busy and there is a major
trade deal going to be announced at three pm UK time.
We're hearing he just teased that. Trump he said it's
with a major respected world nation. Downing Street is not
denying that it is the United Kingdom. So on the

(01:33:20):
face of it, this is a win for kir Starmer.
But let's have a look at the detail. And it's
interesting the word deal is being used, not agreement, and
I think there's a very big difference between a deal
which could be short term and may see tariff's reduced
as opposed to a long term free trade agreement. But
whatever happens, it's a win for Britain and I guess

(01:33:43):
Starmer will take it as a win too.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
Now does this make you feel less embarrassed at how
much of a butt kiss a Kiirstamer was?

Speaker 11 (01:33:51):
Look, I think what we're going to see in the
next couple of days. Here's my prediction, Turnbury Golf Course
in Scotland, which is owned by Donald Trump Hernburry Golf
Course in Ayrshire. I reckon they're getting the Open Championship
in twenty twenty eight, and I think that's as much
as is in this It's a transaction, so the tariffs
will go back down at the zero from the UK.
Trump gets to come here on a second state visit

(01:34:13):
with the royal family and all of that makes history.
And then secondly the golf course in Scotland will host
the Open Championship. So look, everyone's running around after this
guy the whole world. I mean, the smartest person in
Europe has actually been the President of Finland. Alexander Stubb.
Educated at an American university. He plays off scratch at golf,
flew himself to Florida, played around the golf for Trump

(01:34:36):
and suddenly Finland has the direct line to the White House.
You couldn't make it up all because of golf.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
It's all about relations, relationship since transactional as you say,
listen this Tierra plot. What building was the target?

Speaker 11 (01:34:50):
So there's been a lot of speculation. This week eight
men were arrested in various different parts of England, from
the Northwest to Swindon in Wiltshire to West London. Men arrested,
seven of them were Iranian. The sas were involved in
these arrests and elite police officers as well, so heavily
armed police officers took these guys into custody. We learned

(01:35:11):
today the newspapers say that the target was to be
the Israeli embassy in central London. Now that is a
heavily protected building, but clearly the intelligence made its way
to the police and that that was to be the
target of the attack. So Iran, on the face of
everything we're hearing today, Iran, with covert operatives on UK soil,

(01:35:35):
were going to attack Israeli people at their embassy in London.
This would have been a bloodbath. But it's been intercepted.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
Thank god, Inda, thank you so much. Appreciated into Brady UK,
corresponding you, so I've done the numbers. I had to
do the sums because I don't do these things automatically
and my brand, and it looks like that free trade
deal will be announced around about three in the morning
our time. Nine away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Hey, by the way, Seven away from seven. Do you
remember there was the meeting before Adrian Or quit as
the Reserve Bank governor. Do you remember there was that
meeting between Adrian Or and Nikola Willis And it was
two weeks beforehand, And there may have been some shouting
at the meeting, but there may also have not been
some shouting at the meeting, And the meeting may have

(01:36:39):
been the reason for Adrian Or quitting, but it may
also have not been the reason for Adrian Or quitting.
And we don't know what's going on. Well. The acting
Reserve Bank Governor, Christian Hawksby was at that meeting, and
so when he got to the Select Committee yesterday at
Parliament he was asked about it.

Speaker 25 (01:36:56):
Were you at that mason on the twenty fourth or
few briefs?

Speaker 4 (01:36:59):
So who was there with you?

Speaker 25 (01:37:01):
Yes, I was at the meeting with the previous governor
and the chair.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
So the person asking the question is Babs. That's Labour's
finance spokesperson, Barbara Edmonds, and then she asked, you know
a little bit more detail about the meeting, and then
Christian could remember that he was at the meeting, but
I can't remember anything else.

Speaker 8 (01:37:17):
Did the Minister of Finance ask you at that meeting
that it was her preference that there'd be a review
into the capital requirement rules.

Speaker 25 (01:37:27):
I can't recall all the details of the meeting and
it's not something that sort of generally get into.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
Okay, And then so I mean you might like, well,
that's not the smoking gun. I mean it's a pretty
big deal for the Reserve Bank, a pretty big deal
because Adrian was emphatic that he wanted to do it
and Nicola was emphatic that she didn't want to do
the capital things. And then after Adrian leaves, then they
do the review, so like it's a big deal, but
Christian can't remember it, and maybe, like to be fair
to him, there are lots of meetings that happened here

(01:37:57):
at work and I don't listen. They think I'm listening,
but I'm not listening, and tune We all tune out.
Maybe he just tuned out. Then Babs asked if the
meeting was about Adrian Or's resignation. Was this meeting two
weeks before he quits about the fact that he's going
to quit?

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
And before Christian can answer the question, he's all like
a going to answer the question, the chair of the committee,
Cameron Brewer, shuts it down and leaves us hanging. Now,
of course Cameron Brewer shut it down. He's a national
MP and Nicholas a national MP. So I see what
you're doing. They're running interference camera. But we want to know.
I want to know what happened, and one day we

(01:38:37):
will know, We will know, And what have you got?

Speaker 24 (01:38:40):
I really hope Laura is listening in those meetings here
because I don't retain everything that happens either. So at
one point the boss is going to quiz us, and
I think at least one person on the team needs
to be listeninger otherwise we're all in trouble. What's love
got to do with it? To play us out tonight?
By Tina Turner. This is in honor of our new
favorite Australian MP Susan Lee, who may or may not
be the new leader of the Opposition if she wins
the leadership content. I have learned so much more about

(01:39:01):
this politician today than I ever thought I would. And yeah,
she dressed up as Tina Turner. I think we'll go
out with some Tina Turner.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
You what Susan Lee's name? When you see it written down,
you just want to say Suzanne Lay, don't you.

Speaker 7 (01:39:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:39:14):
Well, I was pretty confident with Lee now because she's
a good way to remember, because Tina Lena Turner, that's
how you remember how to pronounce it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Oh, I just got there. I didn't get there.

Speaker 24 (01:39:24):
Yeah, yeah, maybe you did see it right down? Yes,
so Tina, and then like Lee Elie wise, Tina Lena Turner,
you go.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Thank you. I wondered why she went for Lina. I
thought that's weird anyway, I thought I just put it
down to weird new neurology. Again, thank you and see
you tomorrow dot do.

Speaker 10 (01:40:03):
What a queen old passive porst.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
What is the fun when.

Speaker 10 (01:40:14):
A post Brothers last dot dot do with this booting?

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
The fun when a.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
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