Full Show Podcast: 09 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture, Heather duper Clan Drive with one
New Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be hey, good afternoon for the show. Well, good
afternoon rather and welcome to the show. Let's run that
two separate sentences. Government's announced that that review of the
White Tonguey Tribunal is going to get cap started. The
Minister Thummer Portucker on that we're going to get the
New Zealand Catholic Church's reaction to Pope Leo and ird
has found one hundred and fifty million dollars in unpaid

(00:36):
property taxes, will get their take.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
On that, Heather dup c Alos.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Pope hasn't even been pope for a day and already
Leo has become political because the Maga Crown are melting
down at the moment over some of his past social
media posts in which he criticized Donald Trump and Donald
Trump's administration. And look, these social media posts are not
ancient history. They are from this year. There was one
from February in which he reposted an article that criticized

(01:00):
JD Vance's position on migrants and then as recently as April.
Only last month, he reposted a comment asking Donald Trump
if his conscience is not disturbed by the suffering caused
by sending suspected gang members to Al Salvador jails. Now,
to be fair to the Pope, what he did was
pretty tame in the social media world. I mean, he
didn't say it himself, he only reposted what others said,

(01:20):
and it wasn't particularly nasty, and you know that says
a lot, given how nasty social media can be. But
as a result of this, it is now no secret
how he feels about Trump's politics, especially when it comes
to migrants. Now, normally, I'm of the opinion that if
you're not actually involved in politics, you better stay out
of it. You know what I'm talking about sports teams
and sports leagues and businesses and stuff, because getting involved

(01:43):
in politics invariably means choosing sides, and choosing sides means
upsetting the other side, and so you just basically lose
with half the people, right. But I do not have
the same opinion when it comes to the Pope. I
think it is the job of the Pope and every
other Christian leader out there to actually advocate on behalf
of people like my raagrants, the poorest and the most downtrodden.
And I might not agree with everything the Pope says

(02:05):
or his general stance on this, but I think it
is absolutely his job to share his opinion on the
suffering of others as he perceives it. In fact, I'm
happy to see him do it because for too long,
Christian leaders and especially the Catholic Church, have got way
too distracted by opulence and personal wealth, when actually the
true roots of the religion are a complete opposite. It's
about living with and looking after the people who need

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you most. Now, I bet this is going to burst
Donald Trump's balloon, though in it because, as you can imagine,
he was pretty stoked this morning to have America's first
pope so early in his term, and obviously a reflection
on him. I don't think it's going to be as
much fun when America's first pope is not such a
huge fan of America's President.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Heather Duplessy Ellen.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'll tell you, actually, this guy turns out to be fascinating.
We give you so many more Pope facts, more Pope facts,
and you know what to do with over drinkies. This
evening standard text fees apply.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
By the way.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Now on dogs, the issue of dog attacks is backfront
and center. After a vicious attack on a child at
a West Auckland sports field, Auckland Council is again putting
the warning out. They say the rise of off leash
dogs at sports fields is a disturbing trend. The issue
was wider than that. Last year in Auckland alone there
were five hundred and ninety two dog attacks. There were
only six hundred six. Euthanasia. Euthanasia. I don't even know

(03:24):
what the word is. Euthanizations, euthanizations, mercy dogs, lord, honestly,
mercy killings. Rob Irvine is Auckland Council's General Manager of
Licensing and Compliance and with me, now, Rob, I'm off
to a good start. How about you, Hi?

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Hi?

Speaker 6 (03:39):
Topic to follow? After listening to stuff about the Pope, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
You go to pope and then you go to dead dogs. Okay,
now listen, what is the situation here? Have we got
people walking into parks that there are no full well
of parks that are not supposed to have dogs in
them off the leash and then they're letting the dogs
off the leash.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's just generally that I think,
you know, largely getting a lot of people out in
about taking the dogs for a walk, and they're just
using I guess sports fields is a great opportunity to
get their dog off the leash and you know, throw
a stick and let their dog roam, aren't you?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
And so what happens if you find out that this
has happened? What can you do?

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:14):
So, look, you know, we are doing proactive patrols across
areas where we know there's you know, the higher risk spots.
But in terms of if you're a member of the public,
you know, what we do recommend is just calling us
on er one hundred four six two six eight five
if you're seeing a dog that's roaming and well, will
come in and dress that.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
How fast will you come?

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Well, when we see a dog of LEAs or roamings,
particularly in an era like a sports field where that's
a high risk, we classify that as a peer one,
which is effectively within sixty minutes an hour.

Speaker 7 (04:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's not fast enough because that dog, I mean,
because because by the time I've called you on eight
hundred whatever that number was, and then the dog, the
dog is wandering around you tune up in our were
laying so that dog's already gone on somewhere else or attack.

Speaker 6 (05:02):
Or yeah, I mean the dogs. We recognized dogs move
so quickly. And that's why I always keep on coming
back to actually the cause of problems if a dog, Yeah,
if these areas that are hirisk when a dog shouldn't
be all fleesh, you know, that is the problem with it.
You know, we've got to be educating out the owners
themselves to actually be keeping the dog on leash when

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when in these sort of guess highrist areas.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, I do. I do sympathize with the Allkland's a
big place, right and so getting anywhere it takes a
long time. Now, Okay, Robert, if we had five hundred
and ninety two dog attacks but we only put down
six dogs, can you explain that to me.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yeah, I'm not so sure where you got those figures,
but yeah, we had, you know, sadly, sadly, we had
a lot more.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Those figures from Auckland Council.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
Okay, Yeah, because last year around we're fourteen hundred dog
attacks on people per random and we last year we
put you know, sadly, we powdered about eight thousand dogs,
of which, sadly, we euthanize about half of those fourths ounds.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
But how much how many of those dogs are dogs
that are directly related to the attacks rather than just
abandoned dogs? Do you know what I mean? Like, how
many dogs that attacks people did you put down?

Speaker 6 (06:17):
Yeah? So I think it would be I don't have
exact figures, but it would be roughly about. We have
about one hundred and fifty investigations on the go at
the moment around attacks. And you know, if we go
through to prosecution those end up you.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Know how many of them would go to prosecution?

Speaker 6 (06:36):
Well, we changed to mostly we'll take them through to.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Prosecution, okay, and then most of the dogs end up
being deaded.

Speaker 6 (06:44):
Yeah that's yeah, Judge agree that the dog is actually
euthanasal thought.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh there's a lot of f here, Robert, there's a
lot of Listen. Okay, tell me something, Okay, tell me
what happens if I let's say that I get a
video of somebody's dog running off the leash at the
local park and I give it to you. What are
the chances what are you going to do about that?
If I can identify where the dog lives and give
you all the information.

Speaker 6 (07:08):
What will you do, Yes, we'll go and investigate that,
and they will the likeily then end up being an infringement.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
And what is an infringements punishment?

Speaker 6 (07:16):
Fine?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, So, Robert, what I'm starting to come the view
that I'm starting to come around to is that we
need to stop playing silly buggers here and we need
to give people three strikes, and if they do things
three times, we just kill the dog. What do you think.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
You know, that's that's a quote.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah, it's hard out own.

Speaker 8 (07:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Do you know what's more hard out though, Robert, is
when a dog kills a kid or scars a kid,
like just happened the other day. So what do you think?

Speaker 6 (07:42):
Yeah, so I think you know, at the end of
the day, the key thing for us, and I keep
on coming back to it, is the key thing for
us is actually making sure dog owners themselves are taking that.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Response, and not are they.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
I mean many dog owners are actual numpties.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
Yeah, a lot of the times. You know, again, this
is a part of a big process that we've got
in a way around educating and making sure yet that
those dog owners know the rules understand they keep the dogs.
Like you said earlier, it happens so quickly. A dog
can be out of a property within seconds and attack
someone in the road, and we can't always be there.

(08:19):
And that's why we do need those dog owners.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I have to wrap this up, but I want to
know that dog that attacked that little girl on Tuesday.
What's happened to the dog?

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Look, that will be kind of investigation at the moment.
So again, like I said earlier, we go through the
process of us we'll investigate that fully.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
And I don't get it, Robert, Why do we need
to investigate it the dog but a girl kill it?

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Yeah, yeah, there's process.

Speaker 9 (08:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (08:44):
And again, like everything you know in the normal any
other situation like this where these you know, serious things happen,
we do have to go through investigation.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Sympathy, isn't it Robert? Thank you? I appreciate it. Robert Irvine,
who was obviously you know, with the dog dogs and
stuff at Auckland Council tee. What happened to that dog?
I don't know if you've caught up on the story,
but what happened was this little girl was watching and
we don't know the age, but She was a young
girl watching football training with her family members at Crumpark
and Sitarany in West Aalkland and she was attacked by
a dog that was off a leash. The dog was seized.

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It has since been released on strict conditions pending potential prosecution.
It was a mongrel of no discernible breed. You wouldn't
I tell you what if five was in charge of
those dogs at dog wouldn't be released, dog be taken
out the back. You wouldn't see the dog again because
if they've bit the child, they're going to bite another child.
And I just think until we take a really, really
tough approach like this with dogs, this nonsense will continue.

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Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
It's the Heather d Pussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 10 (09:48):
Heather.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I've often wondered why there's such a big dog problem
in parts of Auckland. Now I understand why. Quiet angus,
Thank you. Nineteen past four Jason Pye Weekend Sport Hosters
with me right now, Hey Piny.

Speaker 11 (09:58):
Hello Heather.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Now, hold on, I that the A League Grand Final
was going to be at Mount Smart. Are you telling
me that's not true.

Speaker 11 (10:04):
No, it is going to be at Mount Smart.

Speaker 12 (10:05):
There was there was talk that it might be moved
to Eden Park because of a bigger capacity. Auckland FC
don't get to make the decision. It gets made by
the powers that be at the A League who I'm
sure looked at a forty five thousand capacity stadium. I
thought we can get a lot more ticket revenue there
than we would at a twenty seven twenty eight thousand
capacity Mount Smart. So somebody at Auckland FC has the

(10:28):
powers of negotiation to have convinced them that note we
should have it at Mount Smart. So if Auckland FC
make the A League Grand Final, it'll be at Mount Smart.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I mean that's the right thing to do, isn't it, Paine?

Speaker 11 (10:40):
Absolutely all.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Everybody's got used to going there and it's the place
that they've played it, then he may as well just
continue there.

Speaker 12 (10:45):
Yeah, Manna and home advantage. Yeah, home advantage is called
home advantage for a reason. If they would have played
at Eden Park, it'd be unfamiliar to the Auckland FC players,
you know. So, and it's the best place to watch it,
you know what Eden Park's like watching a game on
a rectangular field, you're miles away Mounts Mark. Great decision
will done.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Guess So the Crusaders are going to play the Chiefs
tomorrow and out And now do you think that this
is basically what the Grand Final is going to look like?

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (11:10):
Could well be.

Speaker 12 (11:11):
They're the two teams at the top by quite some distance,
with the best records, They've played the best all year.
I think it could well be a precursor to what
we see in the Grand Final in a month and
a half or so. Crusaders I see a favorites because
probably because they're playing at home. The Chiefs beat the
Crusaders forty nine to twenty four in round two and
the Crusader's about to make a change at first five rivers.
Rayhann has come in. The Chiefs have got Damien McKenzie back.

(11:33):
I kind of like the Chiefs in this, if I'm honest, Heather,
I quite like them to win this, and I think
they will probably if they do win tomorrow, finish top
of the table and get hosting rights through they've lost
the last two Grand Finals. Maybe twenty twenty five is
the year of the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I like this prediction. I'm going to remember this Piney
because you know, I know your prediction. I know you
will Jason Pines. We can sport host. He'll be back
tomorrow at three well at Middale Way through to three
o'clock in the same on Sunday. Hither the dog that
attacked the child? So the dog was apprehended and then
let go. Now the dog's out on bail, will it
get home to take detention with an ankle Bracelet you
know what to be fair? To be fair to the dog.

(12:13):
Maybe we are just doing to the dog what we
do to humans. Right, Maybe the justice system is just
the same for everybody. Do you know what I mean?
Maybe we need to take into account that the job
the dog had a difficult upbringing and had a culture
report probably four twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Getting the facts, discarding the fluff. It's Heather duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news. Dogs
that'd be.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Heather, really Eden Park would be unfamiliar A parks of
parks still kick the ball the same. I think, look,
if you if you're if Sean, if you're having a
crack of what I was saying. What I was meaning
is as a fan, sometimes I feel like if you've
got into a little habit of going to a place
like it is just such a do you not find
this just as such a fath if suddenly you've got

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to change your routine, Like if you've been going to
my it's smart. You know the easiest way to get there,
and you know where you park your car, and then
you get the kids out of the car, and then
you walk to the end of that hot dog stand
and then you notice something. You know, like you've got
a little routine there, you do the thing. But if
you're now told you've got to somehow get to Eden Park,
oh no, I can't be bothered with the mental load.
They just got to keep it in the same place.
That's mummy talking. Okay, So I don't know what daddy thinks.

(13:20):
I don't know what you people think, because you know,
it's a different world when you're the dad. Anyway, It's
Mother's Day on Sunday, by the way, so happy Happy
Mother's Day to all the mum's out there for all
of the hard work that you're doing raising the next
generation of kiwi's. Here's ten facts about the Pope that
you didn't know here, well, you did know. He's the
first American pope. Here's the first American pope, which is
pretty amazing. Also though, he's the first pope from an

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English speaking country since Adrian the Fourth of England in
eleven fifty four, So it's been a long time between
drinks for the you know, most commonly spoken language on
the planet. Right, grew up in Chicago. He was a
priest there, but then he was posted to Peru, where
he became the bishop. He was actually only made a
cardinal two years ago. He's only sixty nine years old.

(14:02):
Now sixty nine is you know, for many of us,
it's a fair way through your life. But as far
as popes go, Spring Chicken way younger than the previous pope.
So he's going to be like the Elizabeth of popees.
I'm gonna be hanging around forever. I'm gonna get used
to Leo because you're gonna see, unless something really terrible happens,
we're gonna have Leo around for a long time. He
speaks English, Spanish, Italian, French, Portuguese, can also read German

(14:25):
and Latin. He worked as a maths teacher because he
studied mathematics. He was head of the influential Vatican decastroy ants. No,
it's another one of those Catholic words for bishops, which
advises the Pope on bishop appointments globally. He is an
Augustinian Friar and was Prior General of the Worldwide Order,
and his father was a US Navy veteran of World

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War Two. I tried to find out something about the Augustinians,
because it mean it does seem to have some sort
of an impact on how he approaches things. But it
just seems the Augustinians, the thing that they are into
is just harmony in the world, which frankly, actually makes
him a great choice at the moment. Right Hither, the
problem with killing the dogs is that dog destruction must
be ordered by a judge and not the council. Now

(15:06):
there's your problem.

Speaker 13 (15:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
We have been trying for the longest time to get
down to down into the weeds of the story and
figure out what the hell is going wrong with all
these dog attacks. We spoke to the Minister a while ago.
Minister was like, Oh, it's a council problem. It's got
nothing to do with me. Now I'm going to go
back to the Minister and be like, maybe you need
to change the loss of the councils can kill the
dogs and we don't need to go to a judge,
because don't you think that seems like a good idea.

(15:28):
Seems like it to me anyway, heaps to get through
Whitngui tribune all review shortly as well, news Talk.

Speaker 14 (15:34):
Said, be.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Putting the challenging questions to the people at the heart
of the story. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news dogs, he'd be.

Speaker 15 (15:51):
He said, Hi, nice to meet your two.

Speaker 9 (15:55):
Hi.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Maybe you eat you does get up a fee?

Speaker 9 (16:02):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (16:02):
So for White Tonguey Tribunal reviews. So we've been waiting
for this. It's just been announced today. It's going to
start midyear. The thing is completely overdue because the White
Tonguy Tribunal was definitely sort of like getting to the
end of what it was originally set up for, right,
which was to deal with White Tounguy settlements treaty settlements.
So the end of it, of its original job was approaching,

(16:25):
and as a result that it started to create itself,
some new work, started to just you know, conduct reports
just off its own bat on government policy. Like the
Treaty Principles Bill, and you know, doing a report into
government changes to the Marine and Coastal Areas Act and
stuff like that. That has has caused it to be
labeled activist, I think fairly because it is obviously taking

(16:45):
a position on government policy. We'll have a speak a
chat to the minister about that after five. I'm I'm
sort of it. I'm of two minds on this. I
think a review is necessary, but the review, to me,
is not the thing that we should be getting excited
about because a review is just a review. I mean,
I do a review on anything and then just put
it in the bottom drawer and never think about it
ever again. Right, it's what comes after the review that matters.

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But I guess this is the first step, so we'll
be happy about that in the first place. Tama Pawtucker
with us after five on that, and Jason Walls out
of the press gallery on ten minutes on that as well.
It's twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
It's the World Wires on Newstogs Eddy Drive.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
So, Chicago born Robert Prevost has become the first North
American pope. Pope Leo the fourteenth is his name, He's
led a prayer in St. Peter Square after his selection
by the conclave, and a religious journalist says the new
pope will following the footsteps of his predecessor.

Speaker 16 (17:35):
I think Pope Leo the fourteenth well pursue Pope Francis says,
ratical reforms with Becker and Presentssias, but I think there's
also a traditional person there at heart. We'll say, someone
who is at his heart a missionary.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
What a load of tosh. There were no reforms to continue.
The US and the UK have signed a trade deal.
Tariffs for UK carp exports to the US will we
cut from twenty seven percent to ten percent. And Donald
Trump is stoked.

Speaker 17 (18:03):
This is our turning out. I think really could be
a great deal for both countries because it'll be really
great for the UK also, so they're opening up the country.
Their country is a little closed, and we appreciate that.
There won't be any red tape.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Things are going to move very quickly.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Both wars and finally, Boston Celtic's legend and basketball commentator
Paul Pierce has done his morning commute to work on
foot after losing a bit, and it's a fair walk.
He said he'd walk thirty two k's from his house
to the Fox Sports studios in La if his old
team lost their second playoff match against the New York Knicks.
The Celtics did indeed lose the game, so as a

(18:40):
man of his word, Paul made the trip barefoot and
in a bathrobe and documented the whole thing on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Swell, look at me, DRIs, how many have so I'll
do this? Okay, believe I did.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
He's delirious. He's delirious already, says he's never placing a
bit like that again.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
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Speaker 2 (19:05):
Dan missin Soon Now. US correspondence with US Hello Dan,
Hello Heather, Oh mate? Are you feeling even more holy
today than you were yesterday?

Speaker 18 (19:13):
Are you being facetious?

Speaker 5 (19:15):
No?

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yes? Oh no, I don't know any.

Speaker 18 (19:18):
Motal I am, and I don't think you are to
answer that, but yes I am a little bit to
tell you the truth, because I don't think you have
to be religious. I don't think you have to be
Catholic to be emotional. And I was surprised that I
found myself being emotional for the first time watching one
of these things.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Today, I think it's.

Speaker 18 (19:38):
Very exciting that we got the first American pope.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I mean, look, it's a long We get asked this
question all the time when somebody comes out of New Zealand.
But do you know him?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I personally don't.

Speaker 18 (19:51):
My best friend, who is a vice principal of a
Catholic high school, Sant Augustine in San Diego, has spent
some time with the Pope.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Pope Leo is well.

Speaker 18 (20:04):
I should say that go back to The school is
owned and operated by the Order Uh that the Pope
belongs to right now, so he has made several appearances there.
My friend, who's the vice principal the school, said they
they've had a chance several times to sit down, eat lunch,
a chat. He is a very polite person. He loves

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his his baseball, his Chicago White Sox. So my my
friend was able to talk to him about that and
he says he's very humble and it's a very good
choice he feels. And he's been involved with the Catholic
Church for you know, decades. He thinks this is a
good a good move for the.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Catholics church.

Speaker 18 (20:43):
Because he thinks that whether or not. You agree that
Pope Francis did move things forward, that he thinks it
will make the church a little bit more progressive. I
think there was a concern that the church might take
a couple of steps back, like Pope France's predecessor beforehand.
But we were pleasantly surprised. And you look at this
man up there, and you're thinking, he has got to

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be so nervous. Did he want this? Was this thrust
upon him. He's got a brother that's been talking to
the media over here, mostly about baseball, but says that
he believes that his brother, who is a dual citizen
both of the US and Peru, will make a very
good pope here, and that he is a very humble man.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well, I'm pleased for you guys. I mean, is do
you realize that it is the first time that you, oh,
you obviously realized the first time you've had a North
American pope, but also the first time the pope has
come from the English speaking world in something close it's
actually close to about gosh, I think it was nine
hundred years.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Wow, I mean it is. It's yeah, it is a
little bit of history that's been made.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Today right now, what do we make of this US
UK trade deal.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
It's very vague.

Speaker 18 (21:50):
I mean you heard the comments around the world wires
from the president too, although I got to tell you
the market's over here like it. I mean, they've they
closed up once the President made this announcement today. It's
going to be a good weekend. I think there'll be
more trade talks between the US and China. I think
things may drag out with the UK. It was very
vague again on what he did, but again they said
they're going to drop it down to about ten percent

(22:11):
on the import. So we'll hope that, especially in time
for the holidays at a lot of prices down a
little bit here in the stores.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I thought it's seen a lot that Kirstama wasn't in
country for it, right. It was either that was awkward, yeah,
So it was either something that was rushed, it was
a last minute thing and he couldn't get over, or
it was something that he did not consider important enough
to come over for.

Speaker 18 (22:31):
I think it's both of those things. And I think
it's the fact that we've seen so many times these
leaders come into a meeting or an announcement with President
Trump over here and he puts them in a somewhat
awkward position. Yeah, And if I were the Prime Minister
of the UK right now and I'm still getting my bearings,
I think that was probably the right move for him

(22:52):
for this agreement, And you're right, I think it was
very hastily put together.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Now, what's going on with Trump's polling numbers.

Speaker 18 (22:59):
You know what you're going to If you're Trumpster, you're
going to say, this is just fake media. If you're
a Democrat, you're going to say, well, this is a
sign right now. But there is a new poll out
showing that his approval rating with conservative voters fell from
seventy seven to seventy two percent over a matter of
weeks from late last month early this month. And I think,
really this shows maybe a few cracks in his base.
And some are going to say maybe this is his

(23:21):
ability to try to unify the Republican base, but I
think a lot of this has to do in a
shift with what we're seeing with the Republican Party right now.
You know, you've got the old conservative Republicans that believed
in free trade that they're going away. Trump is remaking
the party, and I think that's maybe a tiny bit
of why we're seeing some of these numbers.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Drop brilliant sof Dan, it's always good to talk to you,
really appreciated. It's Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent. Yeah, it really
is hard to know whether this is such a good
deal for the UK. I mean, the UK has dropped
tariffs on US goods from five point one percent this
is like average five point one percent down to one
point eight percent, So that's fine the USA for the UA, yes,

(24:01):
but the Brits are still paying ten percent. The Brits
are still going to be subject to ten percent tariff
going into the US. So, I mean, why didn't Kiir
Starma go? I guess is the question was it just
not that exciting or was it just so fast that
he couldn't get there. We'll have a chat to Gavin Gray,
our UK correspondent, who will be with us just before
seven o'clock this evening. Now we've finally had the long

(24:22):
awaited announcement from the government on how they're going to
pay compo to the victims of state abuse while in care.
We were expecting a new compo scheme to be established.
That was certainly the government's indication, but they've decided not
to go with that. They're instead just going to top
up the current system. Now, I don't know that there
is enough money. I think it's quite clear that there
is not enough money. Right, they've topped it up by

(24:42):
seven hundred and seventy four million dollars. Today they say
the average payment is going to be thirty thousand dollars. Well,
if you work it out, that's only going to cover
maybe about twenty six thousand people if everybody and not
everybody will but if everybody gets the average payment, it's
only going to cover twenty six thousand people. According to
that report, more than two hundred thousand people were abused
in state cares. So surely there's going to we're going

(25:05):
to need to put more money into the site way anyway.
The Minister Erica Stanford is with us after five o'clock
Politics is next sixteen away from.

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Speaker 2 (25:16):
Jason Wool's usog ZIB's political editors with us now, Hey.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Jason, Oh, good afternoon.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Okay, so why are they announcing today that the review
kicks off?

Speaker 19 (25:24):
Madear?

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah, it's an interesting one, isn't it. I mean, the
cynical among You could say that it was an attempt
to distract from all the all the bad press that
they've been getting this week about the pay equity situation.
But you know, looking at this on balance, nobody should
really be that surprised that this has happened. I mean,
every time Chris Luxon has talked about the White Pungy Tribunal,
he essentially says that it has been sort of is

(25:48):
removed from its brief somewhat, and it's been happening quite
a bit over the last couple of years. And then
of course it was in the New Zealand First National
Coalition agreement that this would be a review would be undertaken,
and of course it was Shane Jones of New Zealand
First that was happy as larry when the news came
out this afternoon. He says the time has come for

(26:09):
the White Punge Tribunal to take a statutory haircut. For
a Shane Jones esque of him. He says, after fifty years,
the Tribunal has gone off script, pursuing ideological fantasy instead
of what it was created to do. And that is
of course considered claims relating to breaches of the Treaty
of why Pungy Now. David Seymour is also pleased with
this one. He says that the tribunal had become increasingly

(26:32):
activist and had gone well beyond its brief, and he
said it's time to be put in its place. So
they're all arguing essentially that it's not what it's not
doing what it's supposed to be doing in law. And
there's a number of examples that Seymour's office have actually
given me when I said, well, hang on, what give
me some examples of when this happened. For example, do
you remember when they attempt to summon and question Karen

(26:54):
Shaw about the repealing of section seven a A They
said that was not within the White Tangi Tribunals brief.
They talk about requiring the government to provide confidential documents
to the Treaty Principal's Bill, and then those documents being
leaked pretty quickly depressed before even Cabinet had seeing them,
and then things like urgent inquiries that they have in

(27:15):
terms of things like the Regulatory Standards Bill. So obviously,
heather O comes no surprise that this is going to
get a lot of backlash from the opposition.

Speaker 13 (27:24):
Parties.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
The Green said that this is about making it easier
to trample over the treaty and punch down on pangat
Fenawa and Labour said it's extremely bad faith to Conductor
of Review right when the White Tangi Tribunal is conducting
urgent inquiries into the action of this government, to which
I would say, you'd be pretty hard pressed to find
her time with the tribunal was not conducting an urgent

(27:44):
inquiry into something this government's doing.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Right, that's actually a fair point. Listen, what's been the
reaction to the government redress and compost scheme.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah, so the opposition parties are not a fan of
this either. I mean, this is of course the government
investing or spending rather seven hundred seventy four million dollars
in the budget for the scheme. The average rejest payment
for new claims will go from nineteen thousand to about
thirty thousand, and a fifty percent top up will be

(28:11):
provided to survivors who have already settled claims to ensure
a bit of consistency with the increased payments for the
new claimants. So immediate pushback from Labor and the Greens.
Labor said putting more money into an existing redress system
that so many of the survivors have already said they
have no confidence in is just not good enough. And
the Greens say an apology is empty without action. The

(28:34):
government has failed survivors by repeating the mistakes of old
that resulted in abuse and trauma that sparked the whole
commission in the first place. And this has kind of
come down to the fact that, and to be fair
to the opposition parties, the government did say when they
gave the apology that they would be creating a new
entity in charge of facilitating this redress, but they're actually

(28:56):
keeping what they've already done. Here's what Chris Luxon said
today as to why they doing this. Sorry, this clip
is a bit hard to hear. He was standing somewhere
in a in a warehouse with a lot of rain.
But have a listen. It takes time to put a
new readdresses from in place.

Speaker 13 (29:09):
It costs a lot of.

Speaker 20 (29:10):
Money and you can't guarante You've got to go to
guarantee it.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
You can get a better.

Speaker 21 (29:13):
Result from what you're doing right.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
So his argument is essentially, listen, we want to do
this at speed. There's a lot of survivors that actually
want to see this done quickly and we don't want
to leave them in limbo.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Good stuff. Hey, thanks very much, Jason appreciated. Jason Wools,
our political editor, nine away from five, putting.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
The tough questions to the newspeakers, The mic Asking Breakfast.

Speaker 21 (29:33):
The third year in a row. The New Zealand Rugby
Union's lost money.

Speaker 22 (29:35):
What's the plan? Mark Robinson is the inz our boss.
When do you stop losing money?

Speaker 23 (29:40):
Well?

Speaker 3 (29:40):
The other question could be, you know we we said.

Speaker 21 (29:42):
Out, how about we do my question? When do you
stop losing money?

Speaker 5 (29:45):
Well?

Speaker 22 (29:45):
I'm working to as a break even or better positions.

Speaker 21 (29:48):
To an up replacement for any awesome terms of dolls. Look,
the properties are different, aren't mate. We actually have anybody
that you can announce this year? Well that's what we're
working on, and we're working on so you don't.

Speaker 22 (29:58):
I'm just trying to work out I like to get
an international name to get on the front of an
all black jersey and whether or not it's slim pickings.

Speaker 20 (30:04):
Out there and is really strong.

Speaker 22 (30:06):
Back tomorrow at six am The Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the rain drove of a lame news talk zby.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Six away from five. Sorry the new pope in your
remarks a lot of tosh, methinks you're showing signs of ignorance.
Here in a nutshell, Francis was a modern liberal, which
is a split from the traditional conservative group, and this
is seen as a watering down to the true Catholic faith.
Thank you, Terry. What I meant by a load of
tosh is that old mate who was on before in
the world wires were saying, now Francis has done all
this reform and Leo's going to continue it.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Nah.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
First of all, Francis did no reform. What reform did
Francis dom What reform did Francis donne Well, I got
the ladies in a little bit at the lower who cares?
That doesn't make a difference. And Leo's not going to
continue that. Leo actually, by the way, does not love
the ladies. Leo thinks that ladies know their place and
that's not to be priests. So anyway, I think that

(30:56):
we'll find I think I think Leo strikes me as
the pope that you can project your own desires on two.
Do you know what I mean? So if you think
if you want the Pope to be because he's so
down the middle right. If you want him to be
a liberal, then he's a liberal to you. And if
you want him to be a conservative, he's a conservative
to ye. What he's going to do is absolutely bloody nothing, frankly,
so you know we'll all end up happy. I suppose

(31:17):
Listen Bremworth, Gee wiz, this is embarrassing. Do you remember
a few years ago, it was about twenty twenty bremw
the carpet people, they were called Cavalier back in the day.
They did this massive ad campaign where they just absolutely
ran down synthetic carpets. They were like, synthetic carpets are
so bad for you. Synthetic carpets have negative impacts on

(31:39):
people's health and the planet. And they were like, synthetic
carpet is the equivalent in one house, is the equivalent
to two twenty two thousand single use plastic bags. And
they're like, ah, they hate it. And so they announced
they were going to absolutely go one hundred percent wool
and they were just going to do only the natural fibers.
Guess what they've just announced they're doing synthetic carpets again.

(32:00):
That's embarrassing, isn't it. And basically why they're doing synthetic
carpets again is because major carpet retailers have asked them to.
They said they wanted to return to producing both wool
and synthetic carpets, and so they will. And what that
is is what people want to buy. The problem. And this,
by the way, brings us around to that or wool
thing that the government did.

Speaker 10 (32:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
I love the idea of wool everything. I love it
so much, right, but it is so expensive and in
the end, in the end, we're all going to be
dictated by everything is dictated by how much it costs.
So unfortunately, and I suppose they found this out. It's
money speaks, money talks, doesn't it. Pope Leo, as I

(32:39):
told you, I have got more Leo facts than you're
going to know what to do with by the end
of this program. Before Leo went into the conclave, what
was he doing? He was playing word games online with
his cousin Joan. Joan and he were playing Words with friends,
which is similar to scrabble. And she thought, because Joan thought,
there's a chance that Leo becomes like one of us, thought,

(33:00):
there's a chance he becomes the pope.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
She did.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
She thought there's a Chancelly overcomes the pope, so she
tried to lose the game that she was playing with
him to start another game so she could try and win,
just in case, so she could have bragging rights and say,
I beat him last time I played with him before
he became the pope. I beat him. But unfortunately I
don't think that this how it worked out, and I
think he beat her in the end. But anyway, there
you go. Loves the word game. Next up, we're talking

(33:22):
to Tamma Paul Tucker about that review into the White
Tonguey Tribunal. News talks.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
That'd be.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Digging through the spin spence to find the real story story.
It's the either dupasy on drive with one New Zealand
Let's get connected.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
News talks.

Speaker 23 (33:47):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Afternoon. The government has announced its review into the White
Tonguey Tribunal will kick off mid year. Advice will be
given to the government by September and any law changes
will be introduced before the end of the year. The
Minister for Mari Development Portucker joins us.

Speaker 10 (34:00):
Now, hey, Comma, hey Kidy here they haven't heard.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
From you lately, I've been on maternity leave.

Speaker 10 (34:06):
Oh important, tuchypt.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
You're tuned into the news, Tamma, What exactly is this
review going to look into?

Speaker 10 (34:16):
This review timely fifty years since the tribunal was established.
We're going to look into reviewing the act that gives
rise for the tribune. It's called the Treaty of Whiting
Act nineteen seventy five. The jurisdiction, classification of claims, inquiry practice,
and a couple of other things.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, but what actually is it going to look into?
So what part of what the tribunal is doing is
it looking at?

Speaker 10 (34:35):
Well, give you an example. It runs inquiries according to
very very old legislation nineteen oh eight. Legislation in the
way it conduct in South needs to be we think,
you know, modernized. The jurisdiction. It's finishing off the historical claims,
but it's got a range of contemporary claims that it
looks like looks at and any mardy can take a

(34:55):
claim based on the criteria set out in the act.
So that's something that needs to be reviewed.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
So do you foresee the White Tangi Tribunal existing beyond
those historical claims? Once they're all settled.

Speaker 10 (35:07):
Well, when the White Tangy Tribunal set up is actually
set up to look at contemporary claims, that's what it
was set up to do. But we want to ensure
that it is reviewed, there's some clarity and the recommendations
about what it continues to do. We're not talking about
the tribunal's existence. We're talking about how it will be
fit for purpose in the future.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Once it's done all the Treaty settlements. Right, once that
is all done, what does it do then.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
It actually inquires into claims. The Treaty settlements are negotiated
between the Crown and ewgroups, so it doesn't do the
settlements itself. It just inquires into claims.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Are you going to look at what it's doing in
terms of government policy like the Treaty Principal's Bill and
all of that stuff.

Speaker 10 (35:45):
Well, we're looking at the function of the Tribunal and
other matters will be left up to the Technical Advisory
Group to take a look at and responsez and recommend
to Cabinet. We will make decisions and go to Parliament.
Parliament has the final say do you.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I mean some of your coalition partners obviously have some
concerns about the way that the Tribunal conducts itself, involving.

Speaker 10 (36:06):
Itself in politics, very strong views.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Do you have any concerns?

Speaker 10 (36:11):
Well, I think that we've got to make sure it's
fit for purpose and that it's effective. We're seeing the
Tribunal has become very, very busy, and sometimes that affects
other things like the Mighty Land Court judges are also
on the tribunal, so when it is ensconced in tribunal work,
a lot of the Mardi landwork court work sort of
falls behind as well. So in terms of the resource
and whatnot. There are some issues there, but we want

(36:33):
to make sure that it continues but in a very clear,
coherent and transparent way about what it's looking at and
how it's conducting itself. As I said, this is not
about legacy, this is about function.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Okay, Toma, thanks very much, appreciate it. Tum with Paultuck
and the Minister for Marti Vegitmentge do to see alt right.
We've finally had the long awaited announcement from the government
on how they'll pay compo to victims of state abuse
while and care. There will be no new compo scheme. Instead,
the government will top up the current system. Now, eric
And is the lead coordination Minister for the government's response
to the abuse in state care reporters with us. Now, Hey, Erica, Hi,

(37:06):
So what is the maximum that anyone can get under
the scheme?

Speaker 24 (37:10):
Look, there isn't a cap the previous or the scheme
that's in place at the moment that the top band
is over fifty thousand. Now, of course that will be
upped by about fifty percents. That top band will likely
be about seventy five thousand plus. However, we don't put
a cap in place because we acknowledge that there are
always individual, relatively egregious cases of serious abuse and care

(37:34):
that we you know, we don't want to put a
cap on.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Could you foresee somebody potentially getting.

Speaker 24 (37:39):
Millions A Look, not under this scheme, if we're being honest,
Not under this scheme. It is a scheme that acknowledges
that people some terrible things happened to people. But we
also acknowledge that there is nothing that we can pay
that will ever take their pain away from what happened
to them. But this is an acknowledgment and read dress

(38:00):
of what happened to them.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Several hundred thousands.

Speaker 24 (38:04):
I'm not going to be the person who says what
that number might be because I don't know, you know,
who might come into the scheme with a type of
case that they might have, and it's really hard to
tell how.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Much of you actually set aside for it. What's the
total package?

Speaker 24 (38:20):
The total package today announced was seven hundred and seventy
four million, so over three quarters of a billion dollars.
But of that, around five hundred million is towards the
redress scheme, so paying out redress for people who come
forward in the future, and also topping up those who
have already put their claim in, so we'll be upping
their payments by half again, but also aligning some of

(38:42):
the payments. So in the past, for example, if you've
been had your redress through the Ministry of Health, the
payments weren't at the same level as NESD, for example,
so we'll firstly align those, there will be a lift
for some people, and then fifty percent on top of that.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Okay, So if you've set around set aside around half
a million bucks or sorry five is it? It's five
hundred million, isn't it?

Speaker 10 (39:04):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Half a billion, ok a half a billion bucks and
people are getting thirty thousand on average per person, then
it's only going to cover about seventeen thousand people. And
we're talking about you know, two hundred thousand people who
were potentially abused here. So it's not really going to
be enough.

Speaker 20 (39:16):
Is it.

Speaker 24 (39:18):
Well, firstly, the Royal Commission, I really don't didn't acknowledge
they didn't know how many people are going to come forward,
because there are estimations were anywhere between thirty thousand and
two hundred and fifty thousand, which is an acknowledgement of fact.
They really don't know what we've put forward is for
the next few years, and we will acknowledge that we
were likely have to come you know back in future
budgets once we have a better idea of how many
people are coming forward, and to have a review in

(39:39):
twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, Okay, how's it going on the pay equity thing?
It looks like it's bad for the NATS.

Speaker 10 (39:48):
Oh no, I wouldn't.

Speaker 24 (39:48):
I wouldn't say that. I mean I stood up in
the house when this bell was read and you know,
the original bell under labor, and I said that, you know,
the future was bright for my ChIL and grandchildren, and
it still is. There is still a pay equity scheme.
There will still be you know, claims that are bought
for that will be successful, which is why we get money.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I understand, I understand orders, but I'm looking at the
Instagram pack posts and stuff like that, and there's a
hell of a lot of explaining going on by the
National Party which makes me think you guys are getting
huge backlash.

Speaker 24 (40:21):
Look, it was always going to be a difficult topic
and it does require us to have really good communications
and say, hey, look, all we're doing is going back
to the scheme that was put in place under the
previous National government that had criteria that was reasonable around
making sure that when you were looking at comparators, you
were looking within the same industry, you know. And I
think that you know, most people could accept that, you know,

(40:43):
under the Labor government, with some of the changes they
made around you know, the fact that we're looking at
librarians compared to fisheries offices. It's just it's there's there's
too much room in that case and for subjective decisions.
And I think we just need to bring the scheme
back to what it was originally intended to do, which
is to make sure that we're addressing sex based discrimination

(41:04):
in the workplace, and that is exactly what we're going
to be doing.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
All right, Erica, thanks very much appreciated, Erica Stanford League
Coordination Minister Government response to abuse in state.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Care together dul By the way, there.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Have been protests about the gender equity, the pay equity
thing all around the country. Today we're going to talk.
We'll rap the political week that was obviously with Jason
Walls after six o'clock and just get his take on
how bad this thing is for the government. I think
it is reasonably bad. Tensions between Pakistan and India at
the moment at disrupting the cricket Now. We've got a
lot of cricketers obviously in that part of the world

(41:34):
playing in the various leagues. So the Pakistan Super League
is probably going to be moved to Dubai. But in
advance of that we are flying It sounds like the
cricket guys over here are flying all of the New
Zealand cricket players from Pakistan to Dubai tonight to get
them to safety in advance of this league potentially relocating
all together and then we've got five new Zealand cricketers

(41:55):
in India for the IPL, and they will also presumably
be moved because the IPL may well be moved to
South Africa for its safety, so they may end up
going over there. Anyway, the sports Huddler is with us.
Before the end of the hour, it's quught a past, right.
We all realize by now we've said goodbye to summer,
don't we. But we don't have to say goodbye to
the refreshing flavors that we get with summer. Because Bunderberg,

(42:17):
the legendary brewers of the iconic Bunderburg ginger beer, are
coming out with a brand new low sugar range sparkling
drink range. It's called Refreshingly Light.

Speaker 10 (42:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
This comes in three flavor combos, Raspberry and pomegranate, apple
and light chy lemon and watermelon. All sound delicious, All
are low on sugar, no artificial sweetness flavors or colors,
and they're made from real fruit. They've only got twenty calories,
get that, twenty calories per can. That's nothing. And what's
interesting is that they've all been craft brewed for three days. Now,
that sounds like a long time. But actually makes sense

(42:47):
because it's three days to lock on all those incredible flavors. Now, honestly,
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Speaker 3 (43:02):
Now, ever, do for see Allen now.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
As I said at the start of nineteen past five.
By the way, as I said at the start of
the program, Pope Leo the fourteenth is already getting a
few headlines for his criticism of the Trump administration's immigration policy.
Now the Catholic Bishop of Auckland, Steve Lowe, is with us.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Hey Steve, good evening, Heather.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
How are you.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
I'm very well, thank you, very pleased We've got to
a pope this early in the in the business. Were
you surprised by this?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah? I was.

Speaker 19 (43:28):
The New Zealand bishops were meeting in Palmerston North this
week and we were speculating how long it had take
and I was one of the ones that said, I
don't think it's going to be anytime fast.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
And it was a big were you placing bets.

Speaker 19 (43:44):
No, we weren't placing bets. No one was willing to
predict her it was going to be. It was more
about when was the announcement going to be.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
But Steve, if you were going to place bets and
predict her it was going to be, nobody would have
predicted Bob from America, would we.

Speaker 19 (44:01):
Well, that's right, it's though some did. I was just
talking to my sister a little while ago and she said, oh,
his name has been out there right from the beginning.
But he's a cardinal that we haven't had much contact
with in New Zealand. That he was the prefect of
the Dicastri for bishops, but they don't oversee the church

(44:22):
in New Zealand, so it's we're under a different dicastray.
So he's a bit of a he's a bit of
a mystery man for us.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Right, How do you feel about him weighing into politics?

Speaker 10 (44:34):
Well, I think.

Speaker 19 (44:37):
I don't know if he's weighing into politics so much
is that you know, though, you know, as the leader
of the Catholic Church, he's got to uphold the teachings
of Jesus Christ, and sometimes that might come into conflict
with some political leaders around the world.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
And do you see his election as vindication of Francis
because the church hasn't lurched radically to the other side.

Speaker 19 (45:06):
I think I think, just going on the words he
said this morning and that the tone also his background,
that it is a sign that the cardinals were looking
for a pope who would continue in the direction of
Pope Francis is going to be different. He's going to
bring his own gifts and talents, and he brings his

(45:31):
own experience, so it will be different. But I think
basically that direction of a church that engages with society.
You know, he talked about encounter and dialogue and that
synodal journeying together as being key components, but also seeking

(45:51):
a path of peace and unity.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah, brilliant, Thank you so much. Steve really appreciated. Bishop
Steve Low, who is the Bishop of Auckland. Now we've
just had a missing We dropped a line to Cardinal
John Due, who's our man in Vatican City, and he
was in the conclave. Dun, dun, dun. Just I just
wouldn't you love a drink with John Due just to
find out what happened in the conclave and how much
it was like the movie Conclave. Anyway, he's been in

(46:14):
the concave. We dropped him a line and we said, listen,
what are the chances you could just have a little
bit of a bit of a chin wag with us.
He said absolutely, I'll be with you in about an hour.
So about an hour from now, we're going to have
a he wants to It's about seven twenty in the
morning there, so he's going to talk to us about it.
I think he wants to get his brecky in first,
by the looks of things. Chat to him shortly in
an hour five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Checking the point of the story, it's Heather Duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and use dogs.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
That'd be twenty five past five. Now listen. If you
are at all interested in understanding what's going wrong at
Rugby headquarters in Wellington, can I recommend that you read
Gregor Paul's piece in the Herald today. It's an excellent
sormation here because the suggestion, I mean, the question that
we had yesterday when we were looking at the financials
which was released, was how on earth is it that
New Zealand Rugby pulls in more money than it ever

(47:04):
has in one financial year and still managers to not
make a profit, Like, how do you do that? And
the answer is it seems going by Gregor's piece, just
wasteful spending and spending in the wrong places. For example,
New Zealand Rugby spent more than seven and a half
million dollars last year on paying board members and executives.
Now that is more seven and a half. That is

(47:24):
more than the seven million dollars it's spent on Heartland
rugby teams last year, and it is more than a
five and a half million dollars it's spent on its
five super rugby clubs. No organization should spend more on
the people running the thing than on the thing itself.
That's nuts. New Zealand Rugby flew two board members Patsy
Ready and Bailey Mackey to the UK last year when
they were leaving the organization the following month. What's the

(47:45):
point if you know that people are leaving, or if
they know they're leaving, stop flying them places. They're now redundant,
they're useless. When the All Blacks played in Tokyo, they
took players and coaches and management. Fair enough, but then
they also took administrative staff and executive stuff seventy five
people for a rugby game. Honestly, this way too much.
Do you know how much they were paying at the

(48:06):
hotel they were staying nine hundred dollars a night. Now,
that is an organization spending like it's in the gold
mining game, not like it's an organization making more annual
losses than profits in recent memory. Now, Greg will Paul
suggests some people are going to lose their jobs, and
I think that's probably fair to be fair though to
inzt Are, because you know, we all understand what's going
on here. Not all of this is inzet Oar's fault.
The biggest problem I think that they've actually got is

(48:28):
that rugby is boring, and that's because the rules suck,
and inzet Are only has only has so much control
over the rules. Right, that's really a world rugby problem.
But they know and we know, and it has been
obvious for ages that the problems that they face with
participation in viewership and attendance and money are not going
yet solved anytime soon. Now, if you know, things are
tough and they're not improving? Do you not put the

(48:50):
credit card away? Do you not cut the spending? You
and I might, but not inzet Are apparently, and that's
their fault, Heather do for c Ellen okay, not sports title.
Will talk about that shortly. So I'm looking at my
TVs and I'm saying to the boys in the because
Laura of the Germans, not happy birthday, Laura of the
German she's not here today. I'm saying to the boys,

(49:13):
what's going on with the TV? It says service not available? Well,
apparently that's Sky. Now, oh one came just one just
came on. Unfortunately it's Fox. I'm not gonna lie. That's
a disappointment to me anyway. So no, it's not working anyway.
So the satellite's not going well, is it for for
Sky TV or the other one just came on? It's
been like that for ages. It's all it takes is
you to just say it out loud and then the

(49:35):
TV's come on again, like AI anyway, How is it, though, seriously,
how is it that in twenty twenty five the boys
said to me, oh, it's raining outside here, they have
a look. How is it that in twenty twenty five.
When it rains, you can't watch tally Like if there's
a heady good work that I did, me saying it enough,
making it come on.

Speaker 11 (49:54):
Good work.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Listen, just call if you need me to come around
to your house and just talk to your TV like that.
Just oh wait at eighty ten eighty, I'll be booked
up from here to Monday. I think sports Huddle is next.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
We can go forever.

Speaker 11 (50:07):
You lost it out.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather duplicy Eland drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected news talk sad b.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Hither.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
You're right about nz R being a bunch of spendthrift wallies,
but you're wrong about Rugby being balling, boring. But you
have to understand the game first. Cheers, Frank, Thanks Frank,
Thanks for that. Nobody understands rugby though, Frank, nobody understands Rugby,
not even the refs. A's part of the problem. It's
so complicated. Hey, listen, this is kind of good news
and bad news at the same time. The good news

(50:59):
is Ird has found about one hundred and fifty million
dollars in taxes that wasn't being paid by the property sector,
like nonsense like not paying their GST, not paying the
bright line properly, you know when the capital gains and
you get with that, you know, all that kind of
stuff like land transfer charges all that they weren't They
weren't paying that. The good news is that we found it.
The bad news is that we found it. It wasn't happening.

(51:21):
What's going on here? Is this an honesty box system
or something. We have to go look at it and
find out whether it's happening. Anyway. We'll have a chat
to the Idea about that after six o'clock and just
see how much more what a surprise that a developer
was doing that. It was the developers were the worst, obviously.
Twenty three away from six.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Friday Sports l with New Zealand Souburby's International Realty Find
your one of a kind.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
There's nothing new in what Silver Lake have brought to
the table.

Speaker 13 (51:54):
They haven't changed anything.

Speaker 17 (51:55):
They don't bring capability, they're.

Speaker 13 (51:58):
Not rugby people. They don't have a magic warned.

Speaker 16 (52:02):
But New Zealand need to have a you know, a
good strong look at that rule because you know, without
grace we lose.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
So much after the Olympic COMMTA.

Speaker 16 (52:12):
We wanted to show that we were a great team
and to us that was bring it, winning the league
and winning a series. And we did it, and obviously
I was excited about it.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
The old word sports title this evening Adam Cooper, host
of the All Sports Breakfast in Wellington, and Levin, a
good sports journalist, tell her you too, yep good.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
I promise I will not swear tonight.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Thank you, Levina. I appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
I promise, thanks, because I.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Mean, we do not have dump. This is a supprise.
We do not have dump on this show.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
So don't have a sixth you don't have that seven
second delay. I know, mate, don't worry, it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Probably shouldn't have said that. I want to come back
to the rugby. Actually he's plenty to talk about in
the rugby. But on the cricket. I see that the
Pakistan League has been moved to the UAE. But do
you know yet, Coops, whether the IPL is being moved.

Speaker 25 (52:58):
No word on that yet. But it's just it's just
a messy, sad situation, isn't it. And you know you
can't help but feel sorry. For you know, people in
these countries that that you know do have these security
issues and I'm you know, usually you know, my takers
that you are on the side of caution and if
there is a minor risk, you move like has been
done here. But you've got to feel so sorry for

(53:19):
the fans that the sponsors, the you know, just all
the all the stakeholders in the game in these countries
where you know, you get so close to getting things right,
you get a few you know, good things go your way,
some opportunities, and then it all all falls apart. And
you know, we get the Pakistan cricket team coming here
to New Zealand quite often, we had them in the
summer just gone and they always, you know, such a competitive,

(53:40):
passionate team. Fans are so passionate to get through the gates.
And it's just a sad, a sad indictment on on
you know, the world that people that want to play
sport and get involved in sport and support sport can't
do that.

Speaker 13 (53:52):
And it doesn't seem to be any end in sight. Mind.

Speaker 25 (53:54):
You there are countries in the world, you know where
twenty years ago you might not have played any sport
there for for similar reason. So you do hope that
sort of politically things get sorted out and at some
point down the track they can go back to having
regular matches on home soil.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Tell you what Levina I was surprised was confused by rather,
is that it seems that New Zealand Cricket are the
ones who are flying the New Zealand cricket contingent from
Pakistan to UAU.

Speaker 13 (54:17):
Why is that?

Speaker 9 (54:18):
Yeah, I think there's a hidden message there somewhere, I
would assume. But going back on what Adam said, are
you feel sorry for what's going on in each country,
but you feel sorry also for the sports fans Heather
because it's a world class rivalry India versus Pakistan. And
we look forward obviously to the Olympics LA twenty eight
where cricket is returning and the top six teams in
the world and Pakistan at the moment as seventh, they

(54:40):
could jump into six. There could be an opportunity there
for India versus Pakistan. But not to have that on
the menu on the table for cricket fans, it's quite
traumatic for some fans.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
I think it's some of the best.

Speaker 9 (54:50):
Rivalry we've seen in all sport and to think that
that won't happen, it's quite tragic.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, totally, now, Levina, Okay, tell me what you are
taking from this business with the rugby the finances that
came up yesterday. Gregor Paul's article suggested that there will
be job losses and it didn't feel like it would
be too far fitched to suggest that Mark Robinson could
be one of those.

Speaker 17 (55:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (55:11):
Mark Robinson's name has been touted a lot. And why
wouldn't it be nineteen and a half million dollars in
the red? I mean it sounds bad, and I know
New Zealand Rugby try and push it a different way
of saying that we've made recording come more than two
hundred and eighty million and we've got one hundred and
seventy four million in reserve, so it's not like they're
going to topple over. But for the third year in
a row to be in the red, there's an area

(55:33):
of concern, And an even bigger area of concern is
the fact that so many young rugby players turned to
fourteen and fifteen years of age and they're only retaining
what's thirty percent if they're lucky of those players. So
the money and the investment, I know, it's all about
we need to get out of the red. We need
to make it look really financially viable and it has
to look healthy.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
But you also have.

Speaker 9 (55:53):
To go back to grassroots rugby. And to do that,
they have to invest money in grassroots rugby. And there's
no money at the moment, Twins, because they're twenty million
bucks in the room.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
No, no, no, Levina, there's no money to invest in grassroots
rugby because they're paying their directors and their executives seven and.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
A half money, Like that's ridiculous. There's a lot of money. Yeah,
it doesn't seem right, does it.

Speaker 9 (56:12):
But on the back of that, they say they're trying
to throw money at a presence in the digital space.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
And we know lots of money from rugby.

Speaker 9 (56:18):
In fact, sport all over New Zealand goes to the
broadcast costs and what they want to do is own
those broadcast costs. They want to make sure that they
broadcast it themselves and don't have to pull the money
out to the organizations that televise it.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
So long term, strategically it might.

Speaker 9 (56:32):
Sound good, but right now, twenty million in the red
third year in a row, not making money out of that.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
It looks a little bit precarious.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I think, coops, do you think the silver Lake deal
is Can we look at it now and say it's
not bearing any fruit it was a mistake.

Speaker 25 (56:46):
Well, it certainly hasn't had the impact that that, you know,
we've been promised. And I think you know, I went
along and spoke to to Mark Robinson yesterday. I'm pretty
sure I went to the same thing last year, and
you know, even the year before, and he was saying
exactly the same things about this Insidar commercial, saying, hey,
we're pumping into it now. If you had another sort
of ten million go into it this year, which is
contributed to that loss, it's going to come right. It's
going to come right. You could almost copy and paste

(57:07):
those sayings from a year ago. Same with the silver
Lake deal. I mean, we are paying money back to
silver Lake. It's effectively alone at the moment. They can
turn it to equity next year, but they still have
to pay even a higher sort of interest rate back
to silver Lake on this. And there's been absolutely no
benefit to the sport, apart from maybe a little bit
of a boost for some of the sort of grassroots

(57:28):
unions at the very start when they got sort of
the cash to help sort of get the deal across
the line. But there's been nothing that you look at
Rugby now and think, oh, this is this is so
much better thanks to the Silverlake deal.

Speaker 13 (57:38):
And I think the problem that Rugby has.

Speaker 25 (57:40):
You know that this has shed a light on here
that is New Zealander's connection to the game. It is
completely lost at the moment from the grassroots game right.

Speaker 13 (57:49):
Up to sort of the top level.

Speaker 25 (57:50):
You know, we know that there were two all black
tests last year that didn't sell out. We know that
player numbers are not where they used to be, and
I think if you're trying to draw people back into
the game, we heard Mark Robinson several times in interviews
over the last twenty four hours speak in this corporate
jargon speak, you know, duck and dive around sort of
straight up questions that should have a relatively simple answer
from the CEO. And I don't know if I have

(58:12):
much confidence that him at the top is the man
that can reconnect Rugby back to New Zealanders.

Speaker 13 (58:18):
I just don't have that feeling.

Speaker 25 (58:19):
And I was there yesterday when he was speaking at
the agem just didn't get that confidence, in that feeling
that he can restore rugby to where it needs to be.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
It's right pair assessment. I'd say, Okay, guys, will take
a quick break. Come back to you shortly sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Six the Friday sports title with New Zealand Southby's international realty,
the ones with local and global reach.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Right, you're back with a sports title, Adam Cooper. Levina. Good, Levina,
I'm confuseder, do you know what's going on with netball?
It seems like, so what do the players have to
play one hundred test caps in order to be eligible
to play for the Silver firms of the play overseas?
Is that the rule?

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Okay?

Speaker 9 (58:52):
So what I'm saying, Levina, don't swear, don't swear, don't swear.
What a bloom and stupid rule. Heather, I'm that like,
I don't think there is the rule. I don't think
it's in writing that you have to play one hundred
tests actually for the Silver Ferns. And if that's the case,
it's only like seven players that have ever done it.
But imagine if half of the Kiwi Rugby League team
or the Kiwi Ferns rugby league team were not allowed

(59:14):
to represent their country because of their overseas domestic commitments.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
Well, let's look at cricket. Let's look at the black Caps.

Speaker 9 (59:20):
What if we said every player that played for the
IPL were not allowed to play for the black Caps.
I would love to send a message out to the
CE Jenny Wiley and say, stand up, show some.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
Courage, drop the rule completely.

Speaker 9 (59:32):
There's no one hundred rule anyway, but get your board
to come out and say this is not right and
why isn't it right?

Speaker 5 (59:39):
Because here's the question.

Speaker 9 (59:40):
Do you want one of the best shooters and one
of the finest shooters in the world donning a silver
fern or not. She might marry anousy, she might wear canary.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
Who knows. It's a silly rule. Get rid of it.
Playing Australia in October.

Speaker 9 (59:53):
I'm sure they would be happy if this board wasn't
brave enough to change the rules because they do not
want Grace for this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I could not agree with you more.

Speaker 13 (01:00:02):
What do you say, coops, Absolutely get it done.

Speaker 25 (01:00:05):
You know these administrators are task of making us the
most competitive netball nation as we can be, and a
player of Grace's caliber, it is someone that either should
trigger a rule change or.

Speaker 13 (01:00:16):
Should have a special case for dispensation.

Speaker 25 (01:00:18):
There's been so much confusion around it and really fascinating
seeing a lot of players almost break rank from what
they're usually allowed to do and usually sort of feel
comfortable to do and actually come out really strongly. A
number of senior players in the A and Z Premiership
have come out saying, come on, guys, we need this,
We need Grace Wiki playing for the Silver Ferns, and
goodness me, you hope they get their act together because
as just mentioned, you know, three years time she stays

(01:00:40):
playing in Australia, she could be, you know, wanting to
stay over there and play for the Diamonds and that
would be absolutely disastrous. And the thing is with a
netball it's not like rugby where players have lists of options,
you know, Japan, Prance allywhere else around the world. Netball
in New Zealand is one of the premier competitions in
the world. They're not going to get much more money
going to England's Australia. They're ready the only options. So

(01:01:02):
we just have to look at this and say make
it happen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Lavina, who is this Braxton that you want to talk about.

Speaker 9 (01:01:09):
So we realize that there's a very important rugby match
coming up and ed is the Ferns up against the
Australia's in Newcastle. And we often beat the Australians all
the time, all the time. But Branson Sorenson McKee is
eighteen years of age. She is about to make her
debut for the national side, and she comes from amazing pedigree,

(01:01:34):
which is the Sorenson Boys curtain, Dane Sorenson Rugby League.
I've watched her throughout the All Picky competition in the
Blues and she's managed to slot her place into that side,
ahead of Puschal Woodman who was not selected push Woodman, Wicklim,
ahead of Stacy Walker, ahead of Georgia Miller as well.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
And this kid is someone to watch.

Speaker 9 (01:01:52):
And I think as a country, we don't just have
to wait until our national side plays in a World
Cup where.

Speaker 5 (01:01:58):
We go, oh, let's watch the trick, Let's watch the women.
This will be fun. Oh my gosh, so world champions,
Oh my god. I love women's rugby.

Speaker 9 (01:02:05):
Keep an eye out for this kid eighteen making her
debut against Australia in Newcastle.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
She can light up that rugby field mate. She is
she the one out Levina?

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Is she the one that Darcy Waldgraves is calling the
ghost runner?

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
You've got it, You've got the one, You've got the one.

Speaker 10 (01:02:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:22):
She is phenomenal.

Speaker 9 (01:02:23):
She is fast, and she is elusive, and she's as
good as any rugby fullback I have seen in the
last decade.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
She is outstanding, male or female.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Do you know about her?

Speaker 11 (01:02:32):
Coops?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Did you just also get a lesson like me?

Speaker 17 (01:02:36):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:02:36):
I got to meet her last week.

Speaker 25 (01:02:37):
Actually they were training here a welling set and the
team was announced and and there she was very emotional
after being named in her first squad last week, and
you could see what it meant to her face to face.
She seems incredibly passionate, incredibly excited to make an impact.
She's obviously worked it, worked really hard, and yeah, really
excited to see what what she can offer and World Cup. Yeah,

(01:02:57):
and keeping those senior players out, those World Cup winners
that Levina mentioned in World Cup year this early stages
is pretty impressive.

Speaker 13 (01:03:05):
So you watch the space I photo confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah, listen, guys, thank you so much, go and enjoy
your weeknd A sport. That's Adam Cooper, host of the
All Sport Breakfasts in Wellington and Levin a good sports journo.
Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast
on my Art Radio powered by News Talk zeb.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Heather, I'm seeing a pattern here. Netball New Zealand and
New Zealand Rugby need to pull their heads out of
their asses. Being your bang on. You know what the pattern,
I'll tell you what the pattern here is is that
in both cases, like think about it, right, both of
them are stuffing their local competitions, aren't they. I mean,
how many, how many times, how many years in a
row do I need to tell you that? I don't
watch Super rugby anymore? And I'm just I'm just one punter,

(01:03:46):
but there are heaps like me and I don't watch
netball anymore because why would I watch netball. It's a
crap competition. Like when we had the Trans Tasmin competition.
Now we were talking like that that was a good competition.
The New Zealand competition really sucks. So both of them
have in a really weird way like that, they've introduced
all these really weird rules to basically stuff their own
local competitions and then they wonder why nobody wants to

(01:04:07):
play the game anymore or watch very very similar vibes,
very similar vibes here the qmu's rugby the car park
has a lot of potholes and loose metal and need seiling.
Could New Zealand Rugby Union cough up the cash? No,
they can't because they need to fly seventy five thousand
people to Japan for the next rugby test, so they're
going to be spending their money on that. Actually, hey,

(01:04:27):
I'm very happy to tell you that the woman that
this show is now officially endorsing as the next leader
of the Liberals in Australia has officially put her hat
in the ring for the leader of the Liberals in Australia.
I know, we're getting involved in weird parts of politics
that nobody knew that we were in.

Speaker 11 (01:04:43):
Hopefully Jeff Bezos isn't listening.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
What's Jeff Bezos?

Speaker 11 (01:04:46):
Remember he didn't let his paper do an endorse That's right,
Maybe too much of a callback.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
No, yeah, well, well totally. Hopefully he isn't listening, and
then he will hear that I'm doing an endorsement of
the opposition party in Australian politics and freaked out by
Susan The reason we're excited by Susan Lee, whose name
should be pronounced Sussan Lay, is because if she does
in fact become the next leader of the Liberals, she's

(01:05:12):
got to beat what's his name, Angus Taylor. No, I
didn't know who he was either. Anyway, she's got to
beat him. But if she does win, she will become
presumably the first leader of a major party in Australian
politics who has some sort of expertise in numerology. Because
remember she put the S in her name. We were
telling you yesterday she put the S in her name
so she could have an exciting life according to numerology.

(01:05:33):
I am sorry to tell you never become the Prime
Minister of Australia because she's sixty three at the moment,
and the next time they got a vote, she'll be
sixty six. And that's getting a bit old, do you
know what I mean for Australasian politics. So she's probably
a placeholder, you know, like Assimon Bridges, that kind of
a vibe. Yeah, that's okay. They're good for her. All
power to her. Little in Friday, now, little and Friday.

(01:05:55):
I'm very sad to tell you I've got two bits
of sad news in a row. Obviously, Little and Friday
has closed all of its stores now if you live
in Auckland, and I feel bad for people who don't
live in Auckland because you will never experience what we
have experienced in Auckland. But Little and Friday were famous
for their donuts. They had these donuts that you'd bite
into them and all this cream would come out. But

(01:06:16):
it wasn't like you know how some donuts you eat
the cream and you're like, oh too much lemon or
you know, it's just like intensely sweet. These guys nailed it,
absolutely nailed it. Famous for their donuts, but not famous enough. Unfortunately,
they shut down the new Market store, then they shut
down their Takapoona store, and now they've shut down their
pons and Bee store. It's just basically what's happened to hospitality.
It's that's not a name that will be like super

(01:06:39):
famous around the country. Do you like an SBQR? But
it's famous in Ponsomby and Takapoona and new Market and
it's just another one. Another one bites the dust. In
this recession caused by Adrian Or talking to the IID
next about all the money it's found, newstalks'd by Skill.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
What's up? What's down?

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
One with the major calls and how will it affect
the economy, the big business questions on the Business Hour
with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mares insurance and investments, Grow
your wealth, protect your future US talk.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Said be.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Even than coming up in the next hour. We'll speak
to KIWI Cardinal John Due, who'll be calling us from
the Vatican in about twenty minutes. Peter Lewis out of
Asia on how much hope we should have that China
and the US can settle this trade war. Next week
in Gavin Gray out of the UK on the trade
deal with the US. At seven past six. Now the
IID has uncovered more than one hundred and fifty million
dollars of undeclared tax tax should say in the property sector,

(01:07:49):
developers and rental property owners haven't been paying the correct
GST income tax and brightline test taxes. Tony Morris is
an Inland Revenue senior manager and with us now, Hey Tony.

Speaker 14 (01:08:00):
Oh, Heather, thanks for inviting me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, thanks for talking to us. Is it accidental or deliberate.

Speaker 14 (01:08:05):
It's a mixture of both actually, because there's a range
of things we do with property and we've been investing
in our sort of compliance activity over the last couple
of years and not last year with extra money from
the government. So it's a range of mistakes that we
try to help people with an educate and then there
is some stuff that's deliberate.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Oh what proportioned you reckon? Is deliberate?

Speaker 14 (01:08:28):
Had to say an actual proportion, because you could talk
about either money or the number of different tax payers
who do that. But probably what we see sometimes, especially
in the GST area and the property developers with the GST,
people can quite often get refunds up front for the
expenses they pay on developing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Or on.

Speaker 14 (01:08:50):
On buying a property and then selling it. So sometimes
people claim the refund and when they go to sell
it not always return that amount that they should do
when they sell. And some people actually tend to use
IR as a bit of a finance opportunity to get
to get the refund and then a lot to use
that to buy the next section rather than patch pay
the tax. And one thing with GST we should remember

(01:09:13):
is that's actually sort of the people that bought the
proper originally giving the GST to the property developer or
such like in there, then meant to pass it onto
ID because it was never their money. So we see,
we see a little bit of that. But we've got
so much better data and intelligence tools now, we've been
really investing in that, so we we do know now

(01:09:34):
every time someone sells property in New Zealand, and our
system can match quite quickly to see where do we
think that's when a property is sold, that they should
retain some tax on that in the next return. So
we actually advise them as soon as we know that that, hey,
we see you sold the property, well done, but amrik
looking forward to seeing that in the next return or

(01:09:55):
at payment and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
I love it, well pay up okay.

Speaker 14 (01:10:00):
So we try to start with a nice message.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah, fair enough, I love it.

Speaker 11 (01:10:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
So are you telling me now? Like back in the
old days you could pretend you could probably be like,
oh nah, I'm just not going to declare it like
it was like an honesty box system with the bright
line test. That's no longer the case you're going to
it's going to ping with you. It's going to flag
with you, and you're going to know when people need
to be paying you up automatically.

Speaker 14 (01:10:21):
Yeah, well we're going to We're going to know that
you sold a property and our system will tell us
whether there's a good chance that you might have to
pay text on it, which won't get it one hundred
percent right, but we will notify you to see that
you may be liable and let us know if you're
not work with us if you want to, or we
expect to see them the next return. And if people

(01:10:41):
don't file it and we think they should have paid
or that, then we can get onto them straight away
and even raise an assessment against them, so we can
start sort of collecting the text as well, really early,
rather than waite quite a few months. And what we
find is when we are contacting people who do need
to pass the text, they caught us and do what
we call a voluntary disclosure and sort of disclosure, I

(01:11:03):
should return it and then we work with them to
sudden everything up. Then.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yeah, brilliant stuff. Hey listen, thanks very much, Tony. I
appreciate it and well done, as you say, good message
up front. Well done on getting all the money in
Tony Morris Inland Revenue Senior manager Heather Do for Seela
Now yesterday on the program, do you remember, we're having
a chat to the USUA meher Tanya Tapsule, And what
we were discussing is an article that question whether or
to is tourism industry was dying and she didn't believe

(01:11:28):
it was dying. She's talking about tourism, but they haven't
actually asked anyone in tourisms.

Speaker 8 (01:11:33):
A couple of cafes or rather dodgy looking accommodation provider.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Well, we decided to call the dodgy looking accommodation provider
because it was named in the article, and we googled
it and we looked at it. We saw that's not
that dodgy looking, so we called her and the owner
is Sue, and Sue, well, she was not impressed.

Speaker 8 (01:11:50):
I think it's completely unfounded. I think she shouldn't be
calling us a dodgy motel when she hasn't actually been
down to see our motel and see the clones that
we have. I don't think our clientele would be very
happy with her comments. I would have thought that she'd
been trying to support businesses and rotaru and not bagging them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Now Sue took it. Sue's not impressed, you can tell
just from her tone. Sue, Sue's probably had to deal
with a lot of this kind of nonsense. Actually in
the last wee while disparaging comments about motels and Rotroua,
she didn't need Tanya to be throwing the shade at her.
She told us she only took over the motel in August,
and she's put in plenty of work to renovate the place.
She's painted some new paint, new beds, new cutlery, and

(01:12:31):
all the rooms. And the situation gets worse for Tanya
because Sue has invited Tanya down to the dodgy looking accommodation.
So Tanya is going to have to go. If Tanya
is good to her, if Tanya wants that vote right there,
she's going to have to walk herself down to Roua
Motel and see it for herself and correct the record.

(01:12:52):
Got herself got herself in hot water there, didn't she?
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Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
John Due out of Vatican City with us very very
shortly right now at sixteen PAS six and Jason wolves Is,
our political editor, are wrapping the political week that was
welcome back.

Speaker 11 (01:14:08):
Jason, Oh, thank you very much. Good to be back.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
Scale of one to ten. How bad has this gender
equity pay thing been for the government?

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
Oh, you'd have to say it would be up there right.
I mean, you can understand why the government has gone
ahead and done this. They're talking about that there's still
the equity issue that is in question here, that's still
something that they're tackling, but they're talking more about the
sort of the leakages from the side in terms of
how much extra money that this is costing, and it
has gone far beyond the brief but in terms of

(01:14:36):
the backlash, I mean there were people outside minister's officers today.
It's been front and center of every headline. And I
think just also the money aspect of this, doing it
just before the budget and then just saying oh, it
has nothing to do with the money. You'd have to
say this is looking like about an eight out of
ten in terms of bad for the government when it
comes to that to this sort of how it looks

(01:14:57):
for the government I would say, but okay, So the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Thing about this is is that actually, when it has
explained properly, it's not the world's worst thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Obviously the Opposition are going to have a crack at it,
but it feels to me like the way that they've
rolled this out has been largely and tried to explain
it has been largely the problem. What's wrong with them?

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
Well, explaining is losing a lot of the time in politics.
And I did see something on Facebook just before where
it said that National is not scrapping pay equity and
then they had this whole paragraph on why not Yes.
That to me is that you haven't sold this correctly.
I mean, if you look at it, as you say,
the nuts and the bolts of this, it is it
seems is very far removed from what the Opposition and
the unions saying this is. But they just haven't been

(01:15:38):
able to sell it very well. And it hasn't helped
that the Prime Minister hasn't been here for this. I
mean he was he chose to go and do a
tourism announcement, you know, and he when he could have
been in Parliament talking about this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
I hardly think he's the Communicator of the Year, So
what was he going to do to help the situation?

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
You know, putting the Prime minister's face to it, I mean,
and in fairness to him, he has been answering questions
when he has been out in region on New Zealand.
But you know, it's not looking good for them at
the stage and this is something that will play on.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
We'll tell you what, Jason, tell me what you think
of this. They should have been upfront right from the
get go about what this was about. It always was
about saving money, because if Audrey's numbers are correct, and
we're talking seventeen billion dollars, that's a huge amount of
money and clearly money that needed to be saved. And
clearly there was something going on that the system was
not working properly. So should they not just have come
out and said, listen, this thing is broken, it's doing

(01:16:29):
weird stuff, it's costing way too much. We have to
save this money and do this properly. This is about
saving money for the country. Don't you think if they'd
just been upfront, we could all understand why they were
doing it and actually get on board with it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
I do, and I think the sort of the smoke
and Dagger's routine about oh no, this isn't about the
budget and sort of this back and forth between Nikola
Willis and David Seymour are out and Brooks saving the
budget and Nicholas saying oh you know he was speaking
in his capacity as act leader rather than Associate Finance
Minister hasn't helped them at all. It makes it look
like they're all on different pages. Had frankly a little

(01:17:01):
bit mischievous about it. So I think that this is
sort of like one for the political commentators to write
about years to come about bad announcement management.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Would Yea's totally how not to Now how much of
a fight has the government got on its hands with
this review of the White Tongy Tribunal.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Well, I mean I would say that you know, there
will be a lot of people out there that would
agree with where they're going with this. And again this
shouldn't come as a surprise. You know, we know that
they were going to review the White Tongy Tribunal because
all three government parties have been very aligned in what
they've been saying is that the White Tongy Tribunal has
really divorced itself from its initial brief in terms of

(01:17:37):
becoming as David Seymour said, increasingly activists. So everybody should
have seen this coming, but I would. I mean, you've
already had Labor, the Greens, Tea Party Marti coming out
quite strongly and saying just how bad this is for
New Zealand and how bad it is for Mardi the
Crown relations. But well, you know it's not going away.
They're reviewing it and effectively taking it back to make

(01:17:59):
it quote unquote according to Palmer Potaka more fit for purpose.
So we'll have to see how this goes. But the
Opposition is not going to take this one lying down,
and I'd expect a lot of protests around this one too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah, this review that Act wants to do of how
social media is affecting young people and stuff. What's going
on here.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Well, so the Issue Act had and you'll remember that
earlier this week the Nats came out with this members
bill where they said that they wanted to ban social
media rather than a government bill, which is where a
government can essentially just put it through because they're the government.
A members bill has to be drawn from the biscuitin
Act didn't agree with it. Because they said it was
bad lawmaking, the process was off. They looked at the
Australian example, how they're struggling with things. So doing it

(01:18:38):
through a select committee review like this, we'd give it
a little bit more scope to have more people come
in and actually look into it. I mean, you know,
Catherine wad she blessed her. She might be a sorry
bless her sounds really condescending, but she's probably a very
smart person. But with a bill like this, you need
the weight of the public service behind you to get
involved and deal with those sort of intricacies of the law.

(01:19:00):
And going through a select committee process like this I
think would help bring a little bit more weight to
a bill.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Jason, thanks very much. Appreciate that. It's Jason Wall's political editor,
wrapping the political week that was. By the way, I'm
going to talk to Gavin Gray. He'll be with us
before this program is finished for the evening, our UK correspondent.
He'll be with us shortly. I'm going to talk to
him about this UK US trade deal. Immediate reactions on
the share markets, as you would expect to that. The
share price of Rolls Royce immediately went up, and then
and then you know, decreased slightly but ended up about

(01:19:27):
four percent up for the day. Boeing's share price also
went up by around about the same four percent because
there was you know, it was it was basically revealed
that a UK company unnamed would poach at purchase Boeing
planes worth about ten billion US dollars. So fair, fair
amount of reaction already to what's been announced six twenty two.

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Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Six twenty four. I mean, how how's this for timing?
So I started the program. I don't know if you recall,
but if you were listening at the start of the program,
one of the in fact, the very first interview that
we had was with Auckland Council about dog attacks. Well,
I'm sorry to tell you there has been another dog attack,
not this not today, but this week and it's just
been revealed today happened in South Auckland and manga are Bridge.
Happened on Monday. It involved in eleven year old boy.

(01:20:22):
What happened is he left his house on his bike.
As as you know, many mums will see off there
a eleven year old boy. Off you go, you know,
you ride around town. It's not a big deal. Rode off.
Two minutes later, mum gets a call attacked by a dog.
Stitches six twenty five. Hever du Now, it didn't take
cardinals long to choose Leo the fourteenth as the new pope.
One of the cardinals was our very own John Due,

(01:20:43):
who is with us now?

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Hey?

Speaker 20 (01:20:45):
John, Hello, Heather, how are you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
I'm very well and very good to talk to you.
Did you vote for Leo?

Speaker 20 (01:20:51):
Thank you? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Did you vote for Leo?

Speaker 20 (01:20:57):
I can tell you who I voted for. That's writing
is highly secretive.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Yeah, forever. Well, that makes sense. They burn all the
votes at the end, don't they. Have you met him yet?

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:21:10):
I have, yes, And after after his after his election,
we all I had met him once a few months ago,
but after his election we all had the opportunity to
go and have a few words with him. And then
after he had appeared on the balcony to the thousands
of people in the Saint Peter's Square, he had a

(01:21:32):
dinner at the place where the cardinals are all staying
so and he wandered around speaking to I mean, there
was a couple of hundred people there, but he spoke
to many of the people. He's a lovely, lovely man.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
What did you talk to him about? Sorry, what did
you talk to him about?

Speaker 20 (01:21:52):
Well, it was just a moment like when we when
we all met him. I just reminded him who I
was and said that I'd had the practice of every
day praying and support for pro Francis and I would
continue doing it for him. And he said, thank you
very much. You know, I certainly need that. So just
that kind of thing. But then he just wandered around

(01:22:14):
the tables for a little while last night at the
meal we had and just ask everyone how they were.
We have a mess with him later this morning, so
no doubt he will speak to us a bit more
seriously about what he's expecting of us in the church
and what he hopes to do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
John, how what do you think about him as the
pope replace? You know, following on from Francis?

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Do you think an endorsement of Francis? Because we haven't
swung wildly from a liberal to a conservative, but we've
gone from a liberal to a moderate.

Speaker 20 (01:22:51):
I do believe that he will continue some of the
initiatives that initiated. He will be his own person, of course,
and he will have his own things to think about
and try and steer the church in a particular way.

(01:23:13):
But very much the meetings that we had for ten
days were very much about what's needed in the church
and in the world today. And everyone was saying, we
can't have a copy of post Francis, but we would
like to make sure that many of his initiatives do continue,

(01:23:34):
and I'm sure that he will look to do I'm
sure he will.

Speaker 6 (01:23:38):
Look to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
John, have you watched the movie Conclave?

Speaker 20 (01:23:43):
I have, yep, not long before I came over.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
How similar was it to the movie?

Speaker 20 (01:23:51):
There were some parts that are similar in the sense
that the capitals are all together in this place called
Sant de Marta, just for the last for the time
of the conclave, the entrance into the Sistine Chapel, for
the beginning of the voting, you know, being near the saints,

(01:24:12):
prayed for the gift of the Holy Spirit to guide us,
those sort of things. The way the voting was done
is sort of similar to what we saw in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
The marbled rooms, marvel I.

Speaker 20 (01:24:26):
Mean when you go into places like the Sistine Chapel
and the resounds the surrounding chapels and always marveled and
beautiful architecture and art work, et cetera. So it's a
privilege to be in a place like that and to
be able to be part of the voting for a

(01:24:48):
new Come.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
John, thank you so much. I really appreciate and enjoy
your mass. I really appreciate your time. That's John. Do
you Cardinal from New Zealand? Do you know what I
would have talked to them about? As I would have
I don't know how much time they do get to
do a bit of research before they meet the new Pope.
But the White Sox so to put this in your
list of things in case you ever meet the fat
the Pope. White Sox big fan, tennis fan. Considers himself

(01:25:10):
an amateur tennis player. But that's what all good tennis
players say, because I'm just an amateur. But then you
play against them and they just whip your butts. And
he's he's a whippit of a man. Have you seen him.
He's sprightly, so he would I think he'd be good
with the racket. Actually Asian next news talks, he'd be.

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Speaker 18 (01:25:41):
That'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Machine if you're aware of it. But there's a little
bit of a spying row that's been going on involving
the US and Denmark. There is concerns that Washington's spy
agencies have been fox have been told to focus on
Greenland because you know, he wants he wants Greenland, and
it's hard to know whether that is a juggle for

(01:26:06):
real anyway. As a result of that, Denmark's foreign minister
is going to summon in the US ambassador and that's
a bit you know like that in the diplomatic world.
That's a big deal. Going to get a telling off.
So Gavin Gray is going to talk us through that
when he's with us very shortly. Right now, it's twenty
two away from seven and Peter lewis our Asia business
correspondents with US.

Speaker 26 (01:26:22):
Hey, Peter, good evening, Heather.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Now, Peter, obviously Trump's tariffs are going to come down
on China. But is it because he's said as much,
But will it happen after this weekend?

Speaker 26 (01:26:33):
It's hard to know. I think we've got to sort
of temper our expectations a bit about this weekend because
these aren't really negotiations about trade. Their talks about having
talks and whether or not the right circumstances can exist
whereby they can start having some substantive discussions about trade.

(01:26:53):
And the sticking point at the moment is that China
has been insisting all along that before there can be
those disc Ushians Trump needs to remove his tariffs on
Chinese goods. Now, it's hard to imagine that Donald Trump
is going to remove them in their entirety. Maybe he
might partially reduce them and say come down. Instead of

(01:27:14):
imposing one hundred and twenty five percent tariffs, maybe impost
fifty percent or something like that. So the question is
is that going to be enough to get China to
the negotiating table. And I think this is what we're
going to hear. A lot of the discussion will be
about over the weekend to try and create those conditions

(01:27:35):
where they can talk. But even if they do get
to the point, we now have a template for what
Donald Trump thinks a trade deal ought to look like,
and that's the US trade deal that was announced yesterday.
Now that is not, in any way, shape or form
a trade deal as you would imagine it. What it

(01:27:57):
is is a tariff reduction agreement. In other words, I've
put one hundred and twenty five percent tariffs on you,
or whatever they are in the UK's case, and I'll
reduce some of them across certain sectors. But at the
end of it, tarotts are still much higher than when
Donald Trump came to office in January. Now, is that
going to be workable with China? I think not, because,

(01:28:20):
first of all, those types of deals where you sort
of swap tariff arrangements on certain limited sectors only really
work where you have balanced trade or maybe a trade surplus.
But the US has a huge deficit with China, so
that isn't going to be the right templates in any way,
It's not going to be of any interest to China whatsoever.

(01:28:40):
They want to have tarifts removed and they want to
have a much more encompassing broad trade agreement, which will
take many, many months to get to pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
So at the same time, and obviously amidst the trade worries.
China Central Bank is doing a whole bunch of things
to try and stimulate the economy. Now, are they doing
it to stimulate what they are already seeing happen, like
the impact they're already seeing, or are they doing this
to prepare for the impact of these tariffs actually staying
in place for a long time.

Speaker 26 (01:29:09):
I think both. I mean, at the moment, they are
suffering an impact of this. It's hitting the economy because
trade between the world's two largest economies has just completely
ground to a halt, and you look at you see
that in things like the shipping numbers. If you look
at the port of Los Angeles, for example, where most
Chinese ships go through to bring their products to the US,

(01:29:32):
trade is down about thirty percent compared to this time
last year. So it's hitting Chinese exports, which is a
big part of the Chinese economy. So it is absolutely
hurting the Chinese economy at the moment. So this is
partly to deal with what it's already seeing. But I
think it does fear that this can only get worse

(01:29:52):
because the longer this goes on, where the two countries
are not doing any trade with each other, it's going
to hurt both economies. It's going to hurt the US consumer,
and it's going to hurt the Chinese exporter and particularly
small manufacturers who provide lots of the goods and components
that US firms need to put together products for their

(01:30:14):
consumer base. So China is assuming this is going to
get worse, but I think it's digging in for the
long term here. It's assuming the worst at the moment,
and in the meantime it's looking for other markets. And
if you look at Chinese trade, for example, with Southeast
Asian nations, it's holding up reasonably well. So they are

(01:30:35):
looking for other areas where they can try and find
replacement markets for what they're assuming is going to be
a permanent loss of the US market. The problem is
these measures that they've announced, which is a twenty five
bass point interest rate cut and also cut in the
reserve requirement ratio, which is the amount of money banks
have to put aside to guarantee loans and things. It's

(01:30:59):
not going to be enough, So China is going to
have to do a lot more if it wants to,
in particular stimulate his domestic economy to try and make
up for the loss of exports.

Speaker 11 (01:31:08):
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Peter, it was always good to talk to you. Thank
you so much for We'll chat to you again next week.
That's Peter Lewis, our Asia Business correspondent, seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Might have to give you a little update on Milania.
Trump in just a minute fourteen away from seven. Gavin
gray Ow UK correspondents with US Hey, Kevin Hither. So
this trade deal, who's it bitter for the US or
the UK?

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Very good questions.

Speaker 23 (01:31:43):
That's been something that's been debated, but the Prime Minister
says this is a great deal, fantastic historic deal and
is very keen. So what the US and UK have
agreed to do is that Donald Trump is to remove
the twenty five percent tariff on steel and aluminium coming
out of the UK and into the US.

Speaker 10 (01:32:04):
He will also.

Speaker 23 (01:32:04):
Cut the rate on exports from twenty seven and a
half percent to ten percent, and that actually is pretty
crucial because companies like Jaguar landro have actually put a
temporary pause on production and export, waiting for an announcement
like this. It covers the first hundred thousand cars, but
last year I think we sold one hundred and one

(01:32:25):
thousand across the Atlantic, so it is going to be
pretty good. In return, the UK government says it's removing
the tariff on ethanol for US goods and agrees reciprocal
market access on beef. It's going to be very interesting.
Farmers rather worried about that last bit. Now, I suppose
the question is having announced a deal with India and

(01:32:45):
America this week, two huge company, big trading partners, of course,
we now turn the focus on the EU, and already
we're hearing now from the Governor of the Bank of
England saying Britain needs to rebuild its trade relationship with
the European in it is the UK's largest trading partner
and there are calls for a reset in relations.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Kevin, why was Kirs Starman not at the White House
for the announcement?

Speaker 23 (01:33:10):
Yeah, he interested in this. He's had a rather busy
diary lately and it would appear that he was enjoying
certain hospitality. There was a report of with Arsenal playing,
but also he has now got to go to Norway
today as well, So I think it's just one of
those things. It was seen a long way. They thought

(01:33:32):
they'd leave it in the hands of Lord Peter Mandelson,
former very senior minister within Tony Blair's government and seen
as a very smooth operator. So he was the one
that was on the shoulder of Donald Trump as the
signing went ahead.

Speaker 13 (01:33:48):
And yeah, I think.

Speaker 23 (01:33:49):
An interesting thing that sort of Sir kis starmer didn't
think the need to go.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
I think so too. Hey, so what's gonna happen. What's
the UK going to do with these Russian oil tankers?

Speaker 23 (01:33:59):
Well, since the invasion of Ukraine, many Western countries of
course have impost sanctions are Russian energy, that is, by
limiting imports and capping the price of its oil. These
are of course trying to prevent that money going into
Russia in order then to be used to fund the war.
But to get around these penalties, Russia has built up

(01:34:22):
what's been referred to as a shadow fleet of tankers.
The ownerships and movements are obscured. They aren't a sort
of officially on the register of Russian boats, but they
are being used, it's believe, to export oil around the world.
The government thinks they are decrepit, often in a very
dangerous state, and responsible for what they've described as reckless seafaring.

(01:34:45):
Now it's not just one or two boats, it's up
to one hundred vessels carrying more than thirty eight billion
New Zealand dollars worth of cargo since the start of
twenty twenty four. And so Sekir starmers I mentioned that
he's with North European leaders at the Joint Expeditionary Force
in Oslo today and he is announcing that there are
going to be sanctions on those one hundred vessels, and

(01:35:09):
I think he's hoping that other leaders there would take
note and maybe do the same, because at the moment,
all those sanctions are are going to be banning them
from British ports and also potentially detaining them if they
come into UK waters. If that now is expanded by
other nations and the JEF as it's known, consisting of
ten nations, including Denmark, Norway in the Netherlands, then this

(01:35:31):
could be a much bigger step.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Okay, now, listen, is this Denmark situation serious?

Speaker 23 (01:35:37):
Yes, it is so the Wall Street Journal in America
leaked a story saying that the spy agencies in Washington
in America have been told by the Trump administration to
focus their minds on Greenland amid that threat of Donald
Trump to take over the island. Now, according to the newspaper,

(01:35:58):
US spy agencies told to focus efforts on the semi
autonomous countries independence movement and America's goals, of course, to
extract minimal resources there. So the Director of National Intelligence
has reacted furiously to this league, saying that it is
an attempt to undermine President Trump by politicizing and leaking
classified information, accusing the Wall Street Journal of breaking the

(01:36:21):
law and undermining our nations security and democracy. But the
Danes are saying, well, hang on a minute now, are
you spying on an ally here? So they're summoning the
US ambassador to effectively address these reports, and as you
can imagine, are not happy with Denmark the overarching country
when it comes to Greenland, but Greenland remaining semi autonomous.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Heykevin, thanks very much, enjoy your week in and we'll
talk to you again next week. That's Kevin grat Are,
UK correspondent. So Millennia. Millennia. Now, I think we knew
this was. Anybody who's been watching what's going on with Trump,
mister and missus Trump probably gives that this was going
to happen. But Millennia has disappeared from view, hasn't she?
And the question is where is Millennia? So apparently what
it's about one hundred days or thereabouts, more than one

(01:37:07):
hundred days since Donald Trump was inaugurated into the White House.
But apparently Millenia has only been at the White House
for about fourteen days all up, and even that, according
to some insiders who've spoken to The New York Times,
is an overestimation of how much she's actually been there.
The lights are never on, the shutters are the shutters
are shut. She's clearly not there. She's either in Florida

(01:37:29):
or she's in New York and nobody knows where. And
the question, and like the people at the White House, apparently,
I don't think this will come as a surprise to
anyone who's watched them in public, you know, with their
their strained marriage, Given everything that's that's come out, I
would have thought that everybody would understand that there's something
we had going on, but apparently the people in the

(01:37:50):
White House are quite touchy about it, and when she's
when they're asked about it, they say, oh, no, she's
here much more than you think, but they can't say
how much longer anyway, So it's pretty clear that she's
not moving into the White House in any kind of
a significant way. And here is probably the best indication
of what's going on. She went with Donald Trump apparently
to Pope France's funeral, obviously, and then they land back

(01:38:10):
apparently on a Saturday afternoon in New Jersey, and it's
her fifty fifth birthday, so you would expect that they
would spend the birthday day together. No, she gets into
a car, she goes in her direction, he climbs into
Marine one heads off, and that's how it's going at
the moment. Seven away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
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on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zebbi.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Hey five away from seven. As I told you, Leo
Leo the fourteenth brother back when he was still known
as Bob from Chicago. His brother is just John from Chicago.
And John's been speaking to the media and he's been
telling them all about what Leo is like.

Speaker 15 (01:38:49):
Growing up as kids, I think we were just a
regular kids and didn't really think about that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
The interesting thing.

Speaker 15 (01:38:57):
I don't know how many people find it interesting. Bird
When he was in first grade, a woman across the
street that we used to play with the kids and
a woman down the street said he would be the
first American pope in first grade.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
They said that first grade.

Speaker 15 (01:39:09):
Uh huh, a random woman knew them he would be
the pope. Well, they were neighbors, we knew them. But yes,
he knew. He knew at that age he was going
to be a priest.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Uh huh, uh huh. Apparently the ironing board was the altar.
So there you go. If your kid is showing some
sort of like shoot for the stars, if they're showing
that they want to be a priest, why not be
the pope? If they were playing coppers at Candy, why
not be the police commissioner at.

Speaker 16 (01:39:35):
Lord?

Speaker 11 (01:39:35):
What was that? To play us out?

Speaker 27 (01:39:37):
Tonight, she has announced that she's going to be doing
a tour in support of the new album Virgin. The
tour is going to be called the Ultrasound World Tour
and set up producer Sam has pointed out something that
is annoying me because he's absolutely right and that Ultrasound
would have been a way, way better name for the
album than Virgin, and Virgin would actually, weirdly have just
been a better name for the tour.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Why well, he says, ilded I thought about ult It's.

Speaker 27 (01:40:00):
Like it's three syllables, it sounds unusual. It matches up
to the album art perfectly. I just think it has
cut through. I think it's a great name for an album.
And then the virgin to it as good as like
a kind of because Virgin ultrasound, it's two related words,
so you use the related word. But yeah, I just
think ultrasound should have been Believe Anyway, what do I know?
Laud's the one who's got the big successful career and
she's playing a bunch of North American shows, a bunch
of European shows of New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Lord yeah, ants from Auckland thinks you've marked it up.

Speaker 11 (01:40:26):
Actually, also, can you do a New Zealand show next year? Please?

Speaker 9 (01:40:28):
Don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
Hey just thinks if you could just change it again,
because he knows a.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
Lot about it.

Speaker 11 (01:40:33):
Available for all sorts of advice.

Speaker 28 (01:40:35):
Enjoying your weekend. See you on Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
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