Full Show Podcast: 12 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather duper Cy Ellen, Drive with One
New Zealand Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today.
Education Minister Erica Stanford on the new funding for Matt's Help.
New Zealand Opened, Boss Michael Glading on Ryan Fox's Big When,
Wayne Brown on Auckland's manifesto and the woman of the
Moment herself, Nikola Willis After.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Six Heather duper Cy Ellen, there are.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
A lot of remarkable things about that sea word column yesterday,
and one of them is that it is still up
online and apparently no one is sorry for this.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
If you haven't seen this column, let me get you
up to speed on this. Yesterday Sunday Star Times columnist
Andrea Vance did something that I would venture no other
mainstream columnist has ever done in this country. She called
a minister of the Crown a sea word in the newspaper.
I shouldn't write the sea word out, she wrote, see

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dot dot dot. The subject of it was the gender
pay equity revamp. The minister was Nikola Willison. Andrea wrote,
turns out you can have it all so long as
you're prepared to be a c dot dot dot. Now
I don't even know how to start explaining to you
how wild it is that that happened yesterday, that Andrea
dropped the sea bomb in the Sunday Star Times. That

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word is the second most banned word on radio. We
are not allowed to say it, like, if we say it,
go to town on us complain because somebody is going
to get in a huge amount of trouble and we
will be saying sorry. But at least on the radio,
to some extent, I think we have the defense of
being able to say, hey, look, it was the heat
of the moment and the words slipped out of my mouth.

(01:44):
That is not what happens in newspapers, right. Words don't
just slip out onto the paper. You write it down,
you consider it, you rewrite it, you reread it. You
make sure that every single word is exactly what you
mean to say. It is nothing about that is in
the heat of the moment. And then you send it
to your editors, and your editors read it and they
look at it and they go, yep, that's okay. They
can go in the newspaper and that is what happened.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I'm not a prude. I am not offended by swearing.
I swear myself, and I have also done exactly what
Andrew has done. I have said things about ministers that
I shouldn't have said, and I've regretted and I've apologized
for it. But this is out of hand what has
happened here. There has to be some decorum. I mean,
we can hardly complain about anonymous trolls on social media

(02:26):
attacking our female politicians when our very own columnists do
it in print with their names attached to it. And
reverse this, by the way, if you're not offended by
if you're like now, she had a coming to her,
reverse it, reverse it. Imagine it was Jacinda. Imagine that
a columnist had written this about Jinda. How much outrage
that would have caused, How canceled that person would have been.

(02:46):
There were other sea words we weren't allowed to say
about you, Cinda, Cindy was one of them. Communist was
another one. And if you said either of the people
would flip out. Well, imagine how people would have flipped
out if we'd said the sea word. It is very
hard to respect an argument about how Nicola Willis isn't
a real feminist in a column that attacks her in
the most unfeminist way. Right, it uses the most gendered

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put down that you can think of. It uses terms
like girl math to basically suggest that she can't balance
the country's books because she's a woman. Now, for the record,
I think Andrea Vants is a fantastic journalist and an
incredibly incisive opinion writer, and I think that her editor,
Tracy Watkins, is the best at what she does. But
this was a mistake and it lets everyone down when

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we drag the tone down that badly.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
Ever dupers the alaw.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Nine two is the text number, standard text fees supply. Obviously,
a woman of the moment is going to be with
us in a couple of hours time, so we'll get
her take on it. In fact, I can give you
her take before that, but we will also speak to her.
We'll come back to this now. On another subject, was
announced yesterday that police are going to get more powers
to crack down on boy races, including the ability to
destroy more vehicles. A new government bill includes a presumptive
sentence for vehicle destruction or forfeiture for drivers who flee police.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Bernie Wandon is the haat of fen A District mayor
and he's with us. Hey, Bernie, good afternoon. Hear you
pleased to see this?

Speaker 7 (04:05):
Definitely? Yes, can't come soon enough.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Is it still happening in your part of town?

Speaker 7 (04:11):
Look, it hasn't happened since our major event. We've had
a couple of smaller events, but it's nearly a year
ago since our major event, and we certainly don't want
to see it back again. And hopefully this sort of
you know, implementation of this sort of policy will be
a deterrent for them all.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
The major event was that the ones where they were
encroaching on the cops and the cops were having bottles
thrown at them and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (04:37):
That's right, the police were underprepared basically for what was
going to happen. I think police have made great strides
since then ensuring that they've got resources and you know,
ability to be able to defend themselves and make sure
and disperse these people.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
How do you think this is going to work, Bernie?
Are they gonna Are the cops going to rock up
right down license plates and chase these people? After which
do they have to actually seize the vehicle on the spot.

Speaker 7 (05:04):
What I like about a lot of this sort of
policy is the fact that they will try and stop
things from happening right from the start. So I would
imagine that there will be if they're aware of convoys
coming into different towns, they'll be able to stop them.
So hopefully the prevention will actually be a big part

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of the whole policy.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, but the bit that I'm interested in is crushing
the cars on the first warning. Now do you think
that would be enough to deter me from doing boy
racy stuff? But do you think it will determ them?
Because I mean, this must be their hobby.

Speaker 7 (05:38):
Well, it is their hobby and unfortunately, look the car enthusias. Yes,
it will deter them. It's the if you like, the
idiots that still want to challenge police, challenge social norms
and do what you know is against the you know
the policy, And that's the worrying bit that it may

(06:00):
stop those, But I think once it's done once, hopefully
that'll send the strong message that it won't happen again.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Brilliant stuff, Hey, Bernie, thank you very much appreciated as
Bernie Wondon Judefen, who was mayor so the Police Deputy Commissioner,
Jevin mcskimming has resigned with immediate effect. Now this is
quite a remarkable little turn of events because it wasn't
long ago that Jevin mcskimming was in the running to
be the police commissioner. He was up against rich Chambers,
who's actually got the position, and then all of a sudden,

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Richard got the position and Gevin's been under investigation. He's
been on suspension since December. They've been looking into his
conduct towards a former female staffer who was a lot
younger than him, and apparently what happened was they just
got to the bit where they were basically going to
fire him. They gave him the allegations and he was
invited to response, which is, you know, when they present

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you with the allegations and you were invited to respond,
that's the end really, and so he thought, rather than respond,
he just quit right there and he's gone, we're gonna
have a chat about that later on. We'll have a
chat to our political correspondent, political editor Jason Wools where
he's with us in about half an hour's time and
see what's going on there, because that all looks very interesting,
doesn't it? Quarter past.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
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Speaker 2 (07:16):
Zeb seventeen pass four in Jason Pine Sports Talk Hoosters
with me right now, hat pony, Helloheather. How big a
day is this for Ryan Fox?

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Like?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
How booz does he? Right now?

Speaker 8 (07:27):
I get the feeling that and well deserved too, that
he's going to have a hangover tomorrow as he drives
to a place he wasn't expecting to go, and that's
the PGA Championship, the second major of the year. That's
the first part of this Winning this tournament this morning
earns him well a start at the PGA Championship. It
also gives him a two year exemption exemption sorry on

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the PGA Tour, so he can play any event he
wants to for the next two years on the PGA Tour.
And the small matter of one point two million New
Zealand dollars in prize money.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
So I'd say that's.

Speaker 8 (08:00):
A fairly good four days work, Heather for Ryan Fox?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
What do you think it does to his head? Because
you know, one, it's one of those things for some
people that it becomes a cyclical thing like if you
feel like a loser, then you play like a loser.
But if you feel like a winner, all of a sudden,
you just start winning, do you Reckon, He's got that.

Speaker 9 (08:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (08:15):
I can only go with the first of those two things,
feeling like a loser. That's right exactly, particularly on the
golf course, but other parts of my life too. But
I think for Ryan Fox, I mean they say golf's
a confidence game. He actually said after the you know,
the final, the final hole, that he has had a
tough couple of years and he was starting to think,
you know, where might I go from here? But he
always thought he had the game if he could put

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it together to keep up with the top guys, and
he did today. So yeah, let's hope that it is
one of those where you win one and then you
win another one and your confidence is high. But the
freedom of the exemption is the thing, Heather, you know,
he can pick and choose his events without having to
try and get into the big ones through qualifying. I
just think it's a terrific day for him, and well
deserved for a guy who has always struck me as
just being a very good kick.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Honey. If you don't have to get into the big
events by qualifying. Does that mean your workload significantly decreases?

Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
I think so.

Speaker 8 (09:03):
And also it means you don't have to go to
every event. You can pick the ones that have the
biggest prize money.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Right.

Speaker 8 (09:10):
You can say, how I'll go there, there, there, and
there because he gets exemption. Well, he gets entry into
every event for two years, so you know, first you say, Okay,
those are the ones I want to go to because
they've got the most money. And then I might go there,
I might not go there. I'll go there, there, and there.
You work at your travel schedule. So much better for
Ryan Fox.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Brilliant, good for him. Okay, the Chiefs talk me about it.

Speaker 8 (09:29):
I think they'll win a day. I think they'll win
Super Rugby. I was watching them play the Crusaders the
other night because of dead, isn't it? I was watching
them play the Crusaders, and the Crusaders nineteen three ahead,
then thirty two unanswered points. That is championship winning staff
Damien McKenzie. He always makes the Chiefs look a whole
lot better. Wallace a Titi is back like he's never
been away. From front to back, they just look the

(09:50):
best team. I think the Crusaders will still also be
there or thereabouts, but having made the Grand Final the
last two years, I think the Chiefs will do it again,
the difference being I think they'll win this one.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Okay, So how good as Demo playing.

Speaker 8 (10:01):
I just well, I think he's the best number ten.
Body's playing well. He's had a bit of an injury,
but so has d Mac. I think if Scott Robertson's
picking as All Blacks team today, I think Damien McKenzie
is the.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Number Speaking of the head game, right, is this not
another example of the head game? Is d mac plays
so well when he's in the Chiefs and then when
he puts on the black jersey, it's just like he
hasn't got it well.

Speaker 8 (10:21):
He had it at times last year, probably more often
than he has in the past. You know, a fascinating
discussion topic. You know, Boden Barrett and Damian mackenzie Richard
Wong are coming back next year, so three high quality
first fires for Razer to have a look at. I
like to say I think Damien's playing well. If he
guides the Chiefs to a Super Rugby title, then that
confidence will be sky high. He'll be Ryan Fox like.

(10:44):
He'll be Ryan Fox like.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Heather, Thank you. Piney has always appreciated. That's Jason Pine'
sports store, Coost seven o'clock this evening. Did I see
that there's a third party who's come in for the
Liberals as a who's stuck the hand up to be
the Liberals leader over Tralia. We'll have a chat to
Oliver Peterson about that in about twenty minutes. Oh it's
less than twenty minutes of countdown. Notice about twenty minutes
time to have a chat to him. If you're bored

(11:08):
and in Auckland, have I got the show for you?
Head along to the Auckland Town Hall because the hearing
is on. Yeah, the hearing that is obsessed. The Herald
is on. It says to whether Ali Williams and Anna
Moobray from Zuru should be allowed to have a helicopter
at the house in Westmere. So it's on for five days.
You missed the first day of it, unfortunately, but never mind.

(11:28):
Eighty percent of it is still there and you might
have missed their lawyer today, which you know would have
been the highlight. But you know there are at least
twenty other people in the public galleries. You can go along.
You can hear about the bird feeding. They're only going
to fly the chopper when the birds are eating, you know,
to try and do the right thing. You can hear
about what everybody's everybody's views on what they should be

(11:49):
doing with their properties. Just absolutely scintillating Auckland politics going
on there, I say, with so much sarcasm. Five to
twenty one.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Moving the big stories of the day forward, it's heather
duplicl and drive with one New Zealand let's get connected
the news talks.

Speaker 10 (12:06):
That'd be yea.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
The by quitting Jevin mcskimming has preserved his significant retirement benefits,
including gold plated super which he would lose if he
was fired. That's a very good point, Scott, thank you.
I don't know if it's true or not, but it
certainly does add a bit of something to that. Right now,
it's four twenty four, okay, so the Prime Minister is
just holding his post cabinet press conference. They've just had cabinets.
They're having a press conference after it, as they always

(12:27):
do on a Monday when they do this, and he's
been asked what he makes of the sea bomb being
dropped in the Sunday Star Times. Here's what he said.

Speaker 11 (12:34):
I saw a senior media journalist talk about the sea
word and associate that with a minister. That is utterly
unacceptable to me. We in this place often talk about,
and I'm often asked questions about gendered abuse and what's
going on in Parliament for our female in piece. And
yet we have that conversation, the same people that raise
those issues ultimately end up continuing to prosecute the gendered

(12:56):
abuse that we're seeing.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
So yeah, it's a fair point. Now, look, I know
that the editor Tracy Watkins is backing the journalists today
and using this language because I'm aware of somebody who
has tried to cancel their Sunday Star Times or has
canceled their Sunday Star Times subscription as a result of this.
They were got a hold of the email and they
basically say, listen, we wanted to support the Sunday Star

(13:17):
Times financially because we really want to financially support good journalism,
but so disappointed, so insulted, so we're canceling. The editor
writes back. While I agree that the column used robust language,
this is the subject which has caused some heated debate,
and in that context, I am comfortable that its use
is not inappropriate. I'm also comfortable that our politicians are

(13:38):
seasoned enough to deal with a bit of robust language
now and then, particularly on issues on which they have
the power to affect lives and livelihood. Now, first problem is,
that's not robust, that's just a really that'swear word. That's different.
And also, like I say, do not run another story
about how women copp abuse and female politicians, especially copp abuse,

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and then just wave that one through and go, yeah, No,
she's Nicholas seasoned enough. She can handle. She can handle,
she can handle. But it doesn't mean it's okay anyway.
Nichola Willis, the publication for it, you know, to its credit,
has also written has published the Right of Reply from
Nikola Willis, in which she says having the seaword directed
at me by a journalist in a mainstream publication wasn't

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on my bingo list for Mother's Day twenty twenty five,
nor was being accused of girl math. But there you
have it. That's what's thrown at me by my female
at me and my female colleagues colleagues in a recent
newspaper column as hopelessly devoid of facts as it was
on heavy as it was heavy on sexist slurs. And
I will say, bang on with that one. Anyway, She's
going to be with us after six o'clock and give

(14:43):
us her take on what's happened there. Also listen to
some really good news. Okay, So Erica Stanford has announced
just at this press conference as well, that there's extra
maths help coming for keddies who are not doing so
great at maths. So what they're going to do is
in the first two years of schooling, they're going to
do what's called a math check. Just see you know
where you're sitting, How are you going with the maths?

(15:03):
Are ye any good? Can you do it by yourself
or do you need some assistance? And if the kids
need some assistance, there is one hundred million dollars that's
being set aside across four years for that. They're gonna
have some tutors, they're gonna have all kinds of resources
and stuff help the kids get their mass up to scratch.
And you would have to say that's brilliant. And she's
with us half the five News talks. They'd be.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines. It's
hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
News talks.

Speaker 12 (15:38):
They'd be if this world.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
May ramen seven day.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
If there's row as a Mine, I take you, James
and Mesa. If there's row as Mine.

Speaker 13 (15:50):
I take you.

Speaker 14 (15:52):
Hither.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think the teachers should be second on the list
for that tutor and given how useless they are. That's
from Allen. We're gonna have chat to Erica Stanford as
I see Education Minister at the five o'clock on that
business with the new founding for mats Hither, I'm canceling
my Herald subscription.

Speaker 12 (16:06):
Lord.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Honestly, if you're canceling a Herald subscription, you're canceling the
wrong subscription. So just listen, pay attention to the words.
It's not the Herald that's done at this time. This
town there off the hook, twenty four away from five, it's.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
The world wires. On news talks, they'd been drive.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Russian President Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump have called for
a Ukraine Russia peace summit in Turkey. Ukrainian President Zelenski
has responded, yep, nights.

Speaker 15 (16:32):
I will be in Turkey this Thursday, May fifteenth, and
I will be waiting for Putin there personally, and I
hope that this time Putin will not look for reasons
why he cannot do something. We are ready to talk
to end the war Thursday, Turkey.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Now, he and his European backers have called for a
thirty day cease fire, but President Putin has not responded
directly to that demand. Over in the US, US officials
say that a deal has been struck with China. The
American Treasury Secretary and trade representative have been meeting with
their Chinese counterparts in Switzerland, and here's what they told
the media. After the talk wrapped up.

Speaker 13 (17:03):
The President declared a national emergency and imposed terraff And
we're confident that the deal was struck with our Chinese
partners will help us to resolve work towards resolving our
national emergency.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And finally, three men have been arrested after trying to
smuggle thousands of hermit crabs out of Japan. So what
happened is that hotel store staff called the coppers because
they saw the men's suitcases started making rustling noises and
when the police arrived and had a look inside, Yeah,
one hundred and fifty kg's of live hermit crabs stuffed

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into the bags. According to The Japan Times, a single
hermit crab can go for two hundred and thirty New
Zealand dollars on the black market.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
International correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of mind
for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Business, give you an update on our black market. And
just to tick with me right now though we've got
out of Australia, Olipedison six PR Perth Life presenter Hayoli, Hey, Heather, Okay,
So how many people have put their hands up for
the Liberal Party lead readership? Now?

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Well two and a half.

Speaker 12 (18:02):
So you've got Susan Lee, You've got obviously Angus Taylor,
and now Tim Wilson is flirting with the idea he
won Goldstein from Zoey Daniel. He's flirting with the idea
of trying to perhaps potentially wrestle the leadership away from
probably Angus Talley.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
You'd imagine he's the front runner there.

Speaker 12 (18:18):
Tomorrow when the Liberal Party meets, Wilson is considered one
of the moderates. There's not many moderates left in the
Liberal Party. At the moment, it would probably be unlikely
he'd have enough support from his colleagues.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
But I'll tell you what fresh face. He looks good.

Speaker 12 (18:31):
Put him on the ticket as leader or deputy, give
them a fresh start. How old is angers Angus Taylors
I reckon he's in his fifties.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
He might haven't been a bit older.

Speaker 12 (18:41):
He might have been closer to sixty, To be honest,
I think he's there fifty eight.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I read a really interesting piece on this which was
that neither Angus Taylor nor Susan Lee will ever become
the Prime Minister because both of them are too old really,
and that placeholders because by the time the next election
rolls round is probably going to be a generational change.
What do you think.

Speaker 12 (18:57):
Probably, I think the difficulty most Australians don't really know
either Angus Taylor or Susan Leeve. Tim Wilson's forty five,
so I think you probably need him on the ticket.
I think you need him is either the leader or
the deputy. Look, the big victory that the government had
at the polls last weekend sets it up for not
just this term, but the following term. So maybe the

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next leader of the Liberal Party isn't even you know us,
the next leader, next Prime Minister from that side of
the fence isn't even in the parliament yet.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, maybe, and so talk me through the Nationals.

Speaker 12 (19:29):
So Matt Canavan, he's putting up his hand to take
on David Little Proud. He will not win the leadership
of the National Party, but Matt is a hardcore right
member of the party. He argued on the Today Show
this morning that they were told to tone things down
in the lead up to the election because the Liberals
were getting a bit nervous. The relationship between the Nats
and the Libs is quite soad as we speak, Hetter

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and Justiner Price has defected from the National Party room
to the Liberal Party room. She's even a potential candidate
for deputy leader tomorrow in the Liberal Party. That has
really soured those relations between the coalition partners.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
And the fact that the Nats only now have.

Speaker 12 (20:06):
Five senators, with just Enterprise going to the Libs, that
makes it four in the upper house of the Australian Parliament.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
They're not actually qualifying now as.

Speaker 12 (20:15):
A party, so they don't get all the resources and
the backroom staff to be able to do the work
that the coalition's junior partner's already had, So there is
some talk within the Nats they might just tell the
Libs to get stuffed and go and sit by themselves independently,
which is funnily enough, what happens on this side of
the country.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
The Lives and the NATS in Western Australia are not
in coalition.

Speaker 12 (20:35):
They're in an alliance and they always stress to us
in WA that they are very much their own parties
but will come together to support supply or they come
together with commonalities.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
And what did you make of the cabinet lineup?

Speaker 12 (20:48):
Well, I think it's really interesting that Tanya Plivsik has
been moved from Environment to Social Services because obviously Anthony
Abernezi doesn't like her and she doesn't like him, so
he's been able to move probably his biggest rival and threat,
Mark Butler, who's the Health Minister. He also takes on
the challenge of National Disability Insurance Scheme. That's a mammoth portfolio,
so good luck to Mark Butler. And I note Michelle
Rolins new Attorney General because Mark Drayfuson ed Hughsick were

(21:10):
dumped over the weekend. Ed Hughsick described the Deputy Prime
Minister Richard Marles as a factional assassin. So they may
have had a big victory last week here the heather,
and you think, oh, it's all hunky dory here, because
you've got so many backbenches and so many divisional divides
amongst the factions and the unions. There is a hell
of a lot of infighting going on in the Prime
Minister didn't come to the aid of two of his

(21:31):
most senior cabinet ministers. He said, up, that's up to
the factions, that's up to the caucus tos aside who
they put forward. So it's a big test already of
his leadership and it shows that Albo runs the roost
and he's maybe not prepared to fight for anybody or
save anybody at this stage.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Interesting. Now, what's going on with this Ozzie who's in
the Jalen Iraq.

Speaker 12 (21:50):
Well, he's about to die, they reckon because he's got
lung cancer. This is a terrible story. This man has
been behind bars in Iraq now for four years. Robert Peether,
he was put behind bars. The family claims over some
odd links between his company and the Iraqi governments. He
had to sign in Arabic a confession which he didn't understand.

(22:10):
They say four years ago. So the charges they argue
are trumped up. But he's been in bag that hospital.
They reckon he's got lung cancer while he has been
in prison, but he's not even being given now basic
help or assistance if he is battling lung cancer. His
family obviously raising the alarm. There hasn't been much from
the Australian government, to be honest. There's been a little
bit from the Irish government because they live in Ireland

(22:32):
as well, but not much from the Australian government. I've
got to say it's a bit of an unfortunately sleeper
issue in Australia at the moment, the plight of poor
Robert Peter. But when you dig into the story and
what he is going through, and the lack of representation
and the allegations here of what might have gone on
in the Iraqi justice system, you'd think that the Australian
government might want to intervene.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
They are calling for his release.

Speaker 12 (22:53):
Guard the Australian government calling for his release, but you
haven't Penny Wong on the front pages.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
You haven't seen on the television screaming that from the rooftop.

Speaker 12 (23:00):
So let's hope you get some help in the government's
able to provide some consular assistance at least to the
poor bloke.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, totally, Hey, Ollie, thank you. Has always appreciated. Oliver Peterson,
six PR Perth Live presenter out of Australia. Okay, here's
the details on the old black market. So the World
Bank has taken a look at everybody's economies and made
an estimation on what proportion of our economy is a
black market and informal market. Informal market is a very
very nice way of saying cash is that's what we're

(23:30):
talking about there, right, feel like they need to just
strengthen up that language. Probably not as much as the
Sunday Star Times have strengthened up their language, but still
somewhere in the middle informal just doesn't quite tell you
what we're talking about anyway, So they reckon our black
market and informal economy is about fifty one billion dollars
a year and if we were to tax it, we
would be making thirteen billion dollars off that probably wouldn't

(23:52):
have to cancel the equity stuff, would we anyway? So
that's not that bad. That sounds massive, but it's not
that bad. It represents about eleven percent of our economy.
We're only ninth. Well, we're ninth best in the world,
the best of Switzerland. It's eight percent of their economy
that's informal, So eleven percent of ours doesn't sound that
bad at all. The worst is no surprise at all.

(24:12):
Zimbabwe at sixty percent, sixteen away from five.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Pot politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get
payments certainty.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Jason Wool's political edi is with us now. Hi, Jason,
good afternoon, Heather. Okay, So Jevin mcskimming has he resigned
about the initial allegation or is there a second allegation?

Speaker 16 (24:30):
Listen, it's it's actually quite unclear. We were trying to
get to the bottom of that at the post cabinet
press conference just a few moments ago, and the Prime
Minister was really not giving us much information at all.
For those that aren't caught up, Police Minister Mark Mitchell
today confirmed virus statement that mix Skimmings has resigned with
immediate effects. So he was on leave after being investigated,
but the nature of those investigations we can't report now.

(24:53):
Police Minister Mark Mark Mitchell also said the Mcskimmings had
resigned before he could be dismissed, and actually revealed that
the Prime Minister had been about to consider recommending to
the Governor General that Mcskimmings should be removed. So very
very serious. You don't hear about this happening all that
often within the halls of power. We tried to get
Chris Luxon on this in a myriad of other issues

(25:15):
to do with mc Skimmings, and this is essentially all
we could get from him.

Speaker 11 (25:19):
Look, I'm aware of the resignation. I'm not actually going
to go into that given the ongoing police investigation that's
in place, as you would expect, and I've got no
further comment to say about.

Speaker 16 (25:29):
That, right and try as we might, it was no
further comment to everything.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
But I'll tell you what.

Speaker 16 (25:32):
I'll tell you what he did have comment on and
he came absolutely ready to talk about this, which was
the way that Nicola Willis had been talked about in
the Post newspaper over the weekend. That's where Nicola Willis
was accused of quote girl math around the pay equity moves,
and within the story written by post Andrew Advance, it says,

(25:53):
turns out you can have it all so long as
you're prepared to be act dot dot and I'm sure
listeners can fill in the blanks there to women who
birth your kids, school your offspring, and wipe the quote
ass of your elderly patients while you stand on the
shoulders and earn your sixth figure taxpayer funded pay packet,

(26:13):
wrote Vance. And here's what Luckson had to say straight
out of the gate this afternoon.

Speaker 11 (26:17):
I think it's been incredibly disappointing to see gender based
abuse over the course of the weekend. I saw again
a Labor Party promotion of a minister being portrayed as
a Nazi. I saw a senior media journalist talk about
the sea word and associate that with a minister. That
is utterly unacceptable to me. We in this place often

(26:37):
talk about, and I'm often asked questions about gendered abuse
and what's going on in Parliament for our female in piece,
and yet we have that conversation, the same people that
raise those issues ultimately end up continuing to prosecute the
gendered abuse that we're seeing.

Speaker 16 (26:50):
So the Nazi comment was made in relation to a
Labor Facebook page that posted a photoshopped image of Brooke
van Velden in a Nazi uniform. And I think, you know,
it's absolutely fair and for the PM to make these comments,
and good and good on him for doing so. Attack
the policy, sure, but some of the attacks that have
been leveled against some of the women in government have
been frankly quite disgraceful.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah. To be fair to Labor, they have deleted this post,
haven't they, And they have said it was inappropriate, and
it seems like it was just some random branch up
north that did it.

Speaker 16 (27:19):
It does, but I mean, if if she was on
the other foot, right, imagine if the Nats were in
opposition or something like this happened, you know, it would
be wall to wall coverage. So it's fair to points.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I just I think that the difference here is that
Labor has portrayed Brook van Velden as a Nazi, realized
they shouldn't have done it, taken it down and apologized,
whereas the Sunday Start Time has called a minister the
sea word, which is like, surely unprecedented, and then has
decided that that's all good.

Speaker 16 (27:47):
Well, I mean, it was so unprecedented that Nicola Willis
got an entire five six hundred word right of which
it's been running all day.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Isn't this the interesting thing, right that it actually gave her,
First of all, for the first time, you actually sorry
for Nichola will This is not a person you feel
sorry for because she clearly is so capable, right, but
now you're actually like, Asia, I've got a bit of
sympathy and empathy for you and this this feels really harsh.
But also she gets to lay out the government's argument
for everybody to read, which is the very thing they
haven't been able to do properly. It gave her the

(28:15):
opportunity to actually explain why they're doing it.

Speaker 16 (28:18):
And it's almost like in the House. You know, she
gave this speech the other day in the third Reading
that was essentially laying out the government's case for these changes,
which really fell upon deaf ears in terms of the
coverage when it was made. And then she has this
big article today and then you got the Prime Minister
coming out, So yeah, I think you're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, Hey, now listen what's going on between Act and
national Why are they're fighting in public again?

Speaker 16 (28:39):
Ah, well, you know there's two elements here. Agreed to
disagree clause when it comes over to the firearms registry.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
That is fine.

Speaker 16 (28:46):
That is absolutely how M and P works. That's exactly
what they should be doing, and there's a clause in
the agreement for a reason. What is really interesting is
what's happening around this social media ban in terms of
the ACT party still saying listen, I don't think this
is very well conceived law. But Luxon's still saying that
Actor coming around to changing their views on this, and
that postcab it was really brushing this off.

Speaker 11 (29:08):
I thought, I mean ex supportive of a deeper look
into the subject, and that's a good thing.

Speaker 16 (29:12):
We kept asking him questions about this, more specifically about
Seymour saying that ACT hasn't shifted its position on the
social media policy, but Luxon kept doubling down.

Speaker 13 (29:21):
Look ex supportive of a deeper look into the issue.

Speaker 11 (29:24):
That's a positive step.

Speaker 16 (29:25):
So he's spinning it saying it's just them wanting to
have a deeper look into the issue. So we'll see
where they get to on this one. I mean, the
government seems to be Isa. The government NATS seem to
be looking to court some support from either Labor or
the Greens on this one. So Chris Hopkins is actually
just speaking to media now, so we'll have an update
on this one very soon.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Good stuff. Hey, Jason, thanks very much appreciated. Jason Wool's
political editor. Do you want me to explain to you?
Should I explain? I think I might. I'll explain to
you why I think we had that weird, weird announcement
from the government on social media last week, and then
another announcement from the governm and on social media at
the weekend. Let's get to that eight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 17 (30:07):
Christopher Luckxon, Prime ministers with US ree China and the US.
If they cut some sort of deal and the US
and the UK have cut some sort of deal and
the UK gets some products into America, terraf free, we
have been lumped with ten percent universal, Would we change
our mind on trying to do something about that? Because
we're materially then worse off than we were.

Speaker 11 (30:27):
Yeah, we don't want to be any worse off than
anybody else. I mean, the reality is the Brett's actually
had tariffs that were above ten percent on cars, as
you know, and stealing.

Speaker 17 (30:35):
But they can get Rolls Royce in there for zero.
So if they're getting other stuff in for zero and
we're not getting stuff in for zero, we're losing, aren't we?
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
a Vida News Talk z B.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Hither I canceled my Sunday Star Time subscription this morning
after being a customer for many years. I found Andrew
of vns's column disturbing. Janet, thank you. We're going to
talk to the person that was called the sea bomb
after six o'clock. That's Nicola Wullis. Now, this is what's
happened with the social media thing, right, because you may
be like, why did this happen twice in one week?
Do I have deja vu? No, you don't. What happened

(31:08):
is what was it Wednesday or whatever? The government announced
that pathetic Members Bill was going to that we're going
to ban social media, but we're anything wrong Member's Bill
not really going to do anything about it, and then
come Sunday, all of a sudden, they're like, oh yeahna Erica,
the absolute queen of all the ministers is going to
be the we like, we're now we're going hard Like,
how did from Wednesday's pathetic little announcement to Erica's involved

(31:30):
on Sunday? How did that happen? So I think I
can answer the question for you. On Sunday, what happened
and what the government were at was the launch of
a charity called Before sixteen, which has some significant girl
bosses in it. To borrow some phrases out of Andrea
of Arnswer's column, some girl bosses are involved with this,
Cecilia Robinson from My Food Bag, Anna Mobra. You don't

(31:53):
need me to tell you who she is. And these
women like they have got money and they have got influence, right,
so they really want to see social media banned for
kids under sixteen, and they were going to make the
government's life difficult. Now, the government doesn't want to be
seen to be doing to be pushed to something, right,
charity launches and then sudden they're like, oh fine, okay,
we'll ban social media. So they made the announcement on Wednesday,

(32:15):
this pathetic, little half hearted announcement to look like they
were doing something. Before the charity was launched, and they
knew that they were going to that the charity was
launching because it had kind of got a little bit
of public a little bit of media time in the
weeks in advance and stuff. So that's what's going on.
But they're basically being pushed to it by this particular charity.
And thank god for women who actually care about children

(32:35):
doing this anyway. The woman behind this, Eric Stanford, is
with us next on what she's doing for the Maths,
and I'm going to talk to her a little bit
about the social media stuff as well, just to see
if we can get to the bottom of it. And
then David Seymour on why on Earth he and Chris
lux And keep on fighting in public news talks.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
EB digging through the spen spence to find the real

(33:19):
story story. It's Heather Dup the on drive with One
New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
That'd be good afternoon. The government is putting money into Maths,
almost one hundred million dollars over four years to help
kids who are falling behind education. Minister Erica Stanford is
with me. Hey, Erica, Hello, okay, so what's the money
actually for? What's it going to buy.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
Well, there's three things and it's really closely aligned to
what we do in literacy, but it has never been
done in maths. The first thing is to make sure
that we are doing a light touch, low stakes check
in year two in terms of a skills maths skills
check for our very youngest learners to make sure that
they're on track, and when we see that they are not,
we're going to invest fifty six million dollars into what

(34:04):
we call Tier two. But that's just our lingo for
a maths intervention teacher who takes small groups to catch
them up with their learning. We do exactly the same
instructured literacy, now we're doing it in maths. So that's
the second part, that's all the way up to year six,
identifying those learners as early as we can to catch
them up, make them feel confident. And then the last
thing is we did a trial this year of our

(34:25):
year seven and eights who haven't had the benefit of
all of the resource and the new curriculum and all
the fancy structured maths, and we did a twelve week
trial of intensive four times a week tutoring to catch
them up with her learning. Early findings are really positive.
We're going to roll that out to thirty four thousand
students at start up next year.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, so this was the pilot that you guys announced earlier.
What is it actually found.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
We haven't got the final results back yet, but the
early findings are showing that just after twenty hours worth
of tutoring, we're already seeing that they accelerating their learning.
We're seeing that they are getting confident, that they love it,
that they want to be there, that the teachers are
saying that it's translating into the classroom where they can

(35:09):
now be involved in the whole class teaching because they
understand the concept. So it's been massively positive across the board.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Do the teachers feel like they were able to teach
it though, because this has been one of the complaints
that teachers don't feel up to teaching.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
The maths, Well, what we're doing is exactly what we
did with structured literacy. We will be providing kits and
we do the same for structured literacy in the form
of a small group TEA two kit, and we'll do
exactly the same for mass will provide professional learning and
development for those intervention teachers, same as we do for literacy,
and we'll be providing them with a kit so that
they can sit in front of the students and they

(35:44):
have all of the resource that they need to catch
them up with their learning. That's the quite a bit
of the funding is for these kits and the professional
learning and development, not just the teachers themselves.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Erica, listen, it's weird that you guys made two social
media announcements in one week, right, did you make the
in our last Wednesday whenever it was midweek in order
to get ahead of the launch of that charity.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
No, Catherine, we had has been working on that members
bill for a long time. She's done a really good
job to get our caucus across the line and to
get the bill together. She's been working on it for
a really long time. It just happened that she had
it really had just been through caucus. She was excited
to get it out. She did a whole lot of
work and since then we have had overwhelming feedback, positive
feedback about it and the government. The Prime Minister feels

(36:29):
very strongly about this and always intended that, you know,
we'd love to take this on as government worker. Now
we are.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Okay, good stuff, Hey, Erica, thank you was always appreciated.
Erica Stanford Education Minister Heather Duplessy Ellen Actor National squabbling
in public again. This time they're fighting over the planned
ban on social media for under sixteens. What's happened is
actors rejected the NAT's members bill, calling it unworkable. But
this morning Chris Luxe and said David Seymour was coming
around to the idea.

Speaker 11 (36:53):
I've sort of started to shift their position a little
bit on the weekend, which is good.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
So let's just see where we get to with them.

Speaker 11 (36:58):
There might still be a pathway through.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
And then David Seymore said no, they're not shifting their position,
and he's with me. Now, Hello, David, Hey, Heather, Okay,
run me through it. What's your argument?

Speaker 18 (37:11):
Well, first of all, I think it's a little unfair
to say with squabbling, we have two parties that have
different positions, and I actually think that's healthy. I think
it shows a political system is maturing. So far as
the substance of the policy. I just make the point
that you can believe that there's a very real problem
and that the internet is a place that is having

(37:34):
very bad effects on young people in New Zealand, and
yet be skeptical that something as simple as the band
that was proposed just last week is actually going to work.
And I think in a way, the fact that the
bill came out last Wednesday and by Sunday christ was saying, well, actually,

(37:54):
we need to do more work kind of proves the
point I'd be making for my money. I think one
of the most helpful things that could happen is that
the Education and Workforce Select Committee could open up a full, open,
transparent inquiry. Get all the technologists, the principles, the parents,

(38:15):
the young people themselves, the technologists, the child psychiatrists, actually
the people in other countries that are trying to do this,
and by the end of it, you might actually find
that you look at the whole thing quite differently and
have a much better solution with a lot more political consensus.
That would be the way to take the problem seriously.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
If it is possible to technologically ban kids from social media,
do you support it?

Speaker 18 (38:42):
If it's technologically possible to withdraw kids from the harms,
I'd certainly support that. But I think what we're going
to be clear about there's basically three types of harms.
There's inappropriate content, there's inappropriate contact, bullying, predatory behavior, and
so on. And then there's the nature of some platforms

(39:03):
that are purposely made to be addictive because just like
any other media or a radio show, for example, they're
competing for eyeballs and ears and as a result, they
make it very addictive. Well, what you're really asking, and
I don't want to sound like I'm avoiding the question,
but the question is can you ban them from certain platforms?
The question is can you create a solution that prevents

(39:27):
the various harms coming to your own things.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's not what I'm asking as I'm quite deliberately asking
you this question. If it was possible to ban under sixteens,
like if it was technologically possible to ban them, would
you support that?

Speaker 18 (39:40):
But I'm sorry, I'm not trying to avoid the question.
I just believe that you've got to ask yourself what
are you banning them from? From the entire internet, from
certain specific platforms from okay, so from specific platforms. Then
this is why the question I want answer to is
what haves next? Is this going to drive young people

(40:03):
into the dark web where they're going to do stuff
that's actually made even worse? Can you imagine and no
longer be prepared to talk to their parents about it
because they've been told that what they're doing is illegal.
So I just asked the question, what practically works and
what are the outcomes. I think that's the kind of
quality discussion we need if you, if indeed you believe
it's an important issue, which I do.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Okay, David listen, thank you very much, appreciate your time.
That's David Seymore, the act Party leader also Associate Education Minister.
I'm very happy to tell you Wayne Brown's going to
be on the show with us now. If you don't
recall what happened, is that particularly a bit of a
bugbear for some people, the co governance thing, And particular
part of this that's got on people's boobs is the

(40:46):
fact that they told us that they were coming into
government they were going to do the co governance thing
and then oh, look there's co governance happening in the
white targeted ranges. So anyway, apparently, according to Nikola Willis,
it's an Auckland council problem. So we said, ok, we'll
get the mayor on. I was like, nah, not coming
on the show, but he is coming on today because
he's coming on for a different reason. He's going to

(41:06):
talk to us about his new manifesto where he wants
to make Auckland the city that drags the whole country
out of recession. And also he wants the visitor bed tax.
Rarely wants that. Even though everybody said to him he's
not allowed to have it, he's still going on about it.
So anyway, we'll ask him about that. But we are
going to ask him about the co governance thing, aren't we.
So stand by for that because he's with us. In
fifteen minutes or thereabouts, quarter past.

Speaker 19 (41:26):
Stim had a Ryan Ryan Fox fantastic Hello, Ernie been
the first playoff hole.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, it's eighteen past five, and you know what that is.
Ryan Fox has become the ninth New Zealander to win
a PGA to a golf tournament. He won a three
way playoff to decide the Myrtle Beach Classic this morning
and the result of this is he now gets to
go to the PGA Championship next week and one point
two million dollars and that's New Zealand in prize money.
Michael Glading is the New Zealand Open Tournament director and
with us Hey Michael Hey, Heather, Heather, how are you?

(41:57):
How very well? How big is this?

Speaker 14 (42:00):
It's massive, It's massive. It really is a game changer
for him. You know, since he's been on an the
American Tour, he's talked about how he's got to get
a win, and he's done that, and you know, he's
it's just fantastic for him. I mean, he was in
a position, I think a couple of years ago where
he could have gone and joined the Live. He was
certainly approached by Live, and he chose to go on

(42:23):
the PGA Tour because ever since he was a kid,
he wanted to play the PGA Tour and then wanted
to win on the PGA Tour and he's achieved that.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
So it's very exciting. Michael, how about this? Did he
actually did he only catch up to first when he
was on the fifteenth.

Speaker 14 (42:37):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. He was always one or
two behind, but he just never made a mistake the whole.
I mean, to have a round like he had today
where he didn't drop a shot in eighteen holes was fantastic,
And the day before he only had two pass the
day before because the round was full of drop shots
or birdies.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
Or eagles.

Speaker 14 (42:56):
So that was a phenomenal round. But today's round was
just a out of steady icye and when you need it,
get the birdies. That was pretty exciting.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
So what's your your feeling Michael? Has he got the
break that he deserves and he will now be able
to absolutely, you know, dominate or is this just a
lucky break? How do you think he's going to go
in the PGA.

Speaker 14 (43:16):
Oh, he's he's just got He's got noodles of talent.
I mean, you know, he's not what got what you'd
call the classic perfect golf swing, but he's just got
talent from head to toe, and he's got the attitude
that goes with it.

Speaker 20 (43:27):
You know.

Speaker 14 (43:27):
There he isn't a playoff for his biggest tournament of
his life and he's walking down the fairway chat chat chat,
and that's just so Ryan. He's just got a he's
got a unique and wonderful personality which allows him to
relax between shots. It allows he's just got the mental
and this game, at this level, it's really about being
mentally tough, and he's he's Whilst he's got a lexa

(43:50):
lexadaisical look about him, he's actually mentally incredibly tough, and
he's proven that again today. It's a I think it's
a it's a well deserved and something that. Look, he's been,
I have been. I keep in touch with them, and
over the last few weeks you've been saying, my game's closed,
my games closed, my game's close. So you know he's
now it's more than close and he got through the door.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
How good, Hey, Michael, thank you appreciate it. Michael Glading,
New Zealand Open Tournament Director. My game is not close.
I tell you that. I tell you something for nothing. Heather.
David Seymour sounded exactly like Mark Robinson last Friday. Your
question was too hard, so we tried to flip it
around and ask his own questions. Ugh, Heather, David Seymour
can't make any call or comment without having a child.
He lives in the utopian world that every adult has

(44:32):
pre children. Listen, I really hate doing that. I hate
doing that thing where you go you don't get excale
on this, or you don't understand because you don't have children.
But there is a little bit of truth in that.
In there, there is a little bit of truth in
that when you want, once you've had the kids, then
you're like, oh, your perspective on things changes massively, doesn't it.
And it's no longer about principle with the children. It's

(44:53):
just about how I've got to keep these little dudes
safe as much as possible. Heather David Seamore weasel words.
This is a subject where goods okay, we don't have
to wait for perfect on the social media ban. Here
that David Seymour has totally misread the room by serving
up a stubborn, pure politicing over the social media policy move.
I've got a lot of time for David, I really do.
I think he's a very, very, very bright guy, but

(45:14):
I think that he has misread the room on this one. Anyway,
we'll come back to it shortly. A five twenty two.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
There'd be five twenty four best three words I've heard
anyone in government say about banning kids from using the
social media. It is possible, That's what Erica Stanford said
this morning. It is possible. Of course, it's possible. Look,
I respect the arguments and I respect the questions about weather.
It's technically possible. It's a valid concern, and it's probably
going to be the hardest thing about this to nail

(45:51):
down if we're going to go ahead with the ban.
But Erica is right, it is possible. I mean, you
want to tell me that Facebook and Instagram can figure
out that I am a forty year old mum of
kids living in Auckland and target ads at me. You
want to tell me that they can figure out that
I've just been talking about wanting to buy a ute
and all of a sudden, I've just got these ute
ads coming at me. You want to tell me that

(46:11):
they can do that. But they cannot figure out that
the person using social media on that device as a
sixteen year old. Of course they can. They know they
know exactly how old that person is based on what
they're doing on the internet. They just don't want to
They don't want to tell you that they know how
to do that because they want to be able to
target these kids, and they do target these kids directly

(46:32):
for their age and it makes the money. But they
want you to believe that they cannot target these kids
and they cannot figure out how old these kids are
just read a little bit about it. It doesn't take
you a very long time. There are multiple ways that
you can figure out that. They can figure out how
old the kids are. They can require that we provide ID,
and then they can hold our ID. Now that's not

(46:53):
actually the perfect out None of this is going to
be perfect. It's not the perfect out thing outcome because
I don't trust Facebook with my ID, right, But maybe
that's what we have to do. Maybe we have to
sacrifice a little bit of our privacy for the sake
of the kids. Or maybe what we can do is
we can verify ID through a third party, a completely
different outfit who goes yep, actually, heatherre is old enough

(47:13):
to be on the social media Facebook, you're allowed to
let her on. You can do that. You can set
up a system like that if you want to trade off.
Of course, this is going to be costs involved in
all kinds of other things. There will be trade offs everywhere.
But there are multiple ways that we can do this.
I can tell you though, got a bit of argument
for got a bit of time for that argument. I
can tell you the argument I have no time for,
which is the one where they go, oh, it's the

(47:33):
advocation of parental responsibility. Yeah, it's up to the parents,
not the government to ban it. No no, no, no,
hang on a tick. Think of social media like cigis
or alcohol. Sigis and alcohol are damaging to our bodies,
but social media is equally damaging to your brain.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
We don't leave the cities in alcohol up to the parents.
We require the people peddling the cigis and alcohol to
actually check that the kids are old enough, and the
onus is on them, and we need to do the
same thing with the social media. We must require the
people peddling social media, which is harmful to our children,
to check that our children are old enough to be
using it, just like we do with boos and siggi's.
It is possible. It is possible if we think it

(48:09):
is important enough.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
And I do ever do for c Ellen.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Right after the party, very sad to say, after the
party has lost at the baftis, I was very excited.
I was very excited for them at the baft Oh,
there's a chance. But then I was informed there was
no chance at all because they were up against Showgun. Now, Showgun,
if you are to wear, absolutely won every single Emmy
that there was available to Showgun when the Emmys were
on the other day, so it was after the party.

(48:35):
Was always up against it. If you don't know what
I am talking about, let me tell you. I know
what you're doing tonight. You're gonna go after seven o'clock
and the show is finished. You're gonna go on TV
and Z Plus and you're gonna watch after the party.
You will not regret it. It is amazing Robin Malcolm
and actually, did you know that the bloken after the
party is Scottish guys your boyfriend in real life. So

(48:55):
there's that, So enjoy it. They didn't. It wasn't good
enough to take out Showgun, but jeez, it was good
to make you proud of Kiwi Productions. News is next.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Zie on the iHeart app and in your car on
your drive home, it's Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected News talk sa'd be.

Speaker 8 (49:22):
I can't remember everything we said.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
We said Nichola Willis is going to be with us
after six o'clock. Oh, very interesting. Turns out there's a
I might run you actually, we'll run you through this
before six o'clock, but Nicola before Adrian I'm obsessed with
Adrian quitting, by the way, because until i know why
Adrian ll quit, I feel like I'm never gonna let
it go. But I'll have to at some point it
will just become tedious. But anyway, so it turns out

(49:45):
that Nicola asked him for multiple meetings about the bank's
capital requirements and then anyway, it's all getting very suspicious.
Let me run you through it. We're going to talk
to her later. It's twenty four away from six now
to Auckland. Auckland's Mayor Wayne Brown reckon a supercharged Auckland
city can lead New Zealand out of recession. He's updated
his manifesto for the city and he's still calling for

(50:06):
a bed tax. This's have a chat to him. Hey Wayne, Hello, Heather,
You're not going to get a bed tax, so are you?

Speaker 9 (50:15):
Just wait and see what hasn't it been ruled out.
It's been ruled out, just immediately, but just roll time
forward in the event, which is not absolutely sure that
I've become the mirror again. It will then be one
year before they have to get re elected. And we've
just had six two thirds of the organisms thinking it's

(50:37):
a hell of a good idea so it can get
some funds to watch big events. And the hotel he
is up here think it's a good idea, and they
might just have to thinking, dear, have a good idea
if we got re elected as well. So who knows
what are you going to spend? It ain't over till
it's over.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
What do you spend the bed tax money on? Is
it about drawing attracting events here?

Speaker 9 (50:58):
Yeah? And also it's a events. The only three places
that really want it desperately are here, Queenstown and Roda.
And Queenstown needs it to put up some cheap accommodation
because the people who work on low wages can't afford
to live there. And rot probably needs it for toilets
and security. And we need it for big events because

(51:20):
this is probably the only place that gets big events.
But you know, when some of those big events are
real big stars, they want three or four million just
to show up. Well we are and we will do.
And Eron says, why don't you do like Sydney will
in those other places, Well, they all got a bed tax.

(51:42):
It's called a bed night levy. Because if you say
that we're tax act, fly into a rage of disembellment.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Hey listen, why do you support this co governance business
in the White Targeting Ranges?

Speaker 9 (51:57):
Well, I don't necessarily. It's actually a local board issue.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
How old didn't you vote for it?

Speaker 9 (52:03):
No, they didn't come before the council. We have local
boards for doing a local board things. So I stay
out of time.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Before the Transport committee. And aren't you on that?

Speaker 9 (52:14):
I'm on most of them. Maybe I didn't go to that,
but it's not something else personally voted at.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Okay, So Wayne, and tell me what is your position
on this plan for the White targeting ranges? Do you
support it or will you oppose it?

Speaker 9 (52:28):
Well, I don't know enough about it to have a
strong view on that, to be honest at the moment.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
So I've got really.

Speaker 9 (52:34):
Strong views on fixing the transport, fixing the chair, temporary
traffic management, changing the transit visa for Chinese people that
come here can walk in chew gum.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
You're a smart guy. I've got strong views and all
this stuff. And I've read about this as well. How
can I know more about this than you? That's not on?

Speaker 9 (52:52):
Well, you're probably more interested in than about that. We've
got a parking formed a Parks committee and put Ken
Turner on it as the chair, and he's deeply involved
in why to arranges things, and so I leave it
up for him. Really, so it's called, you know, letting
people below him make some decisions.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Okay, So you're okay, okay, So let's just get this straight.
If it was to go to a co governance model,
which Richard Hill says can at some stage become actual voting,
which is completely delegated to this co governance set up,
this committee, if it goes to that, and then you know,
thirty five percent of the park is shut down and
a whole bunch of walks a shut down. You're okay
with that? As the mayor, are you?

Speaker 10 (53:32):
Well?

Speaker 9 (53:32):
Not okay with thirty five percent of the park shut down.
But I don't know if that's exactly what's.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Involved, well or not, isn't it?

Speaker 9 (53:38):
I mean maybe right about it? Well some much, just
fire people up. I've got tomorrow and on Wednesday night,
I'm risking my going to the Saint Mary's Bay Association,
who are hot under the color about planning change seventy
fate and it's effect on character buildings. I live there,

(54:00):
So I'm going to go to that, and it's my
I don't expect Ken Turners to know anything about that
because he lives out in the wit Tackeries, and so
I let him worry about those things. There's a lot
of needs to worry about in Orgland. I mean, Wayne, more,
I would say more important. My big thing here, for instance,
is with I'm having a big push on lifting the

(54:21):
economic performance of here, particularly with tech Week coming up,
and I'm hoping that you want to interview me during
tech Week because I'm going to do a lot about
lifting the innovation income out for Aukrands because it's not
as haigh as it should be. And that's a massive,
multi billion dollar thing rather than something or other. It's
Ken Turner's all over and he lives in the y Tackery,

(54:41):
So why would I bother interfering with what he's doing
on that one?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Maybe because you're the mayor. Anyway, Wayne, listen, thank you.
I appreciate it. Wayne Brown, Auckland's mayor.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your
what of a kind?

Speaker 19 (54:55):
Laura?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Can you get Ken Turner on? Please?

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Who's Ken Turner? Is he a counselor. Is he okay, Ken,
you're coming on the show mate, You've just you've been
dumped in it by the mayor. The huddles with me
right now. We've got Trish Shurson Shirson, Willis Power and
Joseph Gani, CEO of child Fun. Hello you too, Cureder?

Speaker 18 (55:14):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Well what a time? Have you ever heard of Ken Turner?

Speaker 15 (55:18):
There?

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Trish?

Speaker 21 (55:19):
I just think Ken has just booked a one way
ticket to Brisbane.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Last heard of Ken? Ken, They're very important. Now he's
going to hide.

Speaker 11 (55:27):
We got him.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
He's got a bit on apparently by the sounds of things. Jeez.
But the mayor's busy, Trish, because he's going to the
Saint Mary's Bay meeting. Did you I did? I did
hear that?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I did hear that?

Speaker 22 (55:39):
Because it wasn't the most energized interview I've heard with
the mayor.

Speaker 21 (55:43):
He does always sound like he's about to get really
grumpy with you and tell you to go and do
the dishes.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I don't fee It's not very often will you have
somebody in public office sort of, you know, making making
a big deal about the fact that they don't know something.

Speaker 13 (55:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Normally they you know, well.

Speaker 21 (55:57):
That's his appeal actually is that he kind of, you know,
honestly says, oh, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
Was that thing happening in Auckland? Don't care? Okay, well
this is novel. I really appreciate that. Okay, Josie, what
did you make of Andrea Vance calling nikolauillis the sea word?

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (56:12):
I mean, Andrea Vance is one of our best columnists
in the country. In fact, I think I came a
runner up to her as best columnists of the year
one time and announced that to Keir Starmer and the
Prime Minister of Norway when I was doing a column
with them where I had to introduce myself and I said,
I'm New Zealand's second best columnist. So yeah, she's bloody good.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
This is weird.

Speaker 21 (56:32):
I mean, look, the principle of using gender based language
as not a good thing has to apply both to
women and the left and women of the right right.
So it's not okay when Mark Richardson suddenly asked new
Prime Minister Disindra a Durn that you can take time
off for a baby, when you don't ask a man
of a similar age if he's going to take time
off for a baby, right, So if it's not okay

(56:54):
for that, it's also not okay for this. And I
think it's a weird thing that Andrew has done because
I think she's making a really important point, the point
she's trying to make.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
No, don't tell me the point she's trying to make,
because I didn't make the point she's trying to make
because I got to the sea woe.

Speaker 21 (57:07):
That's the whole point, right, is that now we're talking
about the sea word and whether spreading someone girl Boss
and girl mass is a bit anti woman. But what
I don't I'm not going to rehearse the argument that
because I think she is making a good point about
the getting rid of the gender pay legislation. But she's trying.
What she was trying to do, I think was to
say that when when high paid woman, I woman politicians

(57:30):
attack low paid woman in low paid jobs, it's nastier
than if men did it. I'm not sure that stacks
up as an argument. I think when whensogynistic, I think
it's just a woman hating a war. That's why she
was trying to position it like that, to say, oh,
these high paid female politicians are attacking low paid woman

(57:51):
pay equity. I get the point she's making. I actually
agree with her, but I don't think you get away
with making that and saying, oh, that's not gender based.
So it's difficult.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
All right, Listen, Tricia, I want you to take but
we'll get it. After the breakout sixteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
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Speaker 2 (58:12):
Tricius and Josephganni are hudle this evening, right, Trish, what
do you think?

Speaker 22 (58:16):
Well, I've go ahead to look back. The only other
example I can find in mainstream media that comes close
to this was way back in twenty eleven where there
was an incident and it was actually an emails between
columnist then for the Sunday Star Time, Steve Braunius, and
he was corresponding over email to a female police prosecutor
who had emailed him about his column, and in his

(58:39):
response he used the C word and that led ultimately
to the termination of his column in the Sunday Star Times. Now,
I'm not at all suggesting that in this case. I'm
just saying this is how far I had to look
back to find something similar. I agree with all the
points you've made, and in particular, I think it's just

(59:01):
that the shock value outweighs and dilutes the message that
was you know that Andrea was trying to put forward
in the article. So it is it is unprecedented in
my view, to have been put in this way, and
I think what it does also do is call into
question really where the bar is shifting between you know,

(59:24):
what you might expect an online comment which is pretty loose,
and what you would expect in the mainstream media, and
I would expect them to uphold higher standards. I think
the other thing that I had a look at that's
just interesting. On Saturday I read the column on this
from Thomas Coglin in The Herald and it was a

(59:46):
very useful piece in my view of political analysis on this.
It was un a motive and essentially it pulled out
a couple of interesting points, one of which was the
fact that a male prime minister had left the House
on Wednesday, didn't take questions on this in the House,
and in fact had left his female deputy leader, and

(01:00:07):
Nikola Willis not only to front on this, but then
Willis popped up in a surprise move and gave a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Speech on the bill.

Speaker 22 (01:00:16):
During I think it's third reading, and his analysis on
that was about the fact that this has been very
difficult for National Party backbenches. It was landed on them
under urgency and they're the ones facing their heat in
the electrics.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
So when I weigh up the two as.

Speaker 22 (01:00:32):
An interested, perfect person interested in politics, I got more
out of Thomas's piece than I did out of Andrews,
because when I read the sea word, and I have
to admit I don't live a life of blameless excellence.
I do use the sea word from time to time,
but that stopped me from really getting to that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I did, which is that my eyes did those little
emoji circle things and then I just kind of went cross.

Speaker 21 (01:00:56):
When it's quagling about the issue, you know, which is
that you're you right, Trish. The problem here is that
it's been rushed through an urgency without any kind of
consultation or regulatory analysis because they've got to get the
billions of dollars out of the budget before Budget Day
next week. That's what's really happened. And so you know,
Andrew is making absolutely the right point, but we're all

(01:01:17):
talking about girl boss and girl maths and you know
which is patronizing?

Speaker 15 (01:01:21):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Oh look, do you know what I think the worst
bit about it is that we all complain about how
social media is just so icky. It's just not nice
to see our newspapers go into the same place, right,
I just want us to be a little bit more
grown up, really quickly. What did you think, Josie of
the social media thing? Did that launched that charity on Sunday?
Did that go some way to explaining why National had

(01:01:43):
had announced that really weird little members bill earlier in
the week.

Speaker 22 (01:01:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:01:46):
And I heard Erica Stamford say, no, no, we've got it.
We had an emotion, and it probably did because you
think about it, they went into the election campaign.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
And then they announced it because they knew this thing
was coming.

Speaker 21 (01:01:58):
Yeah, I think that. I think banning stuff is easy.
And we used to say that about labor government banning
things that don't like, and I think the same is
true here. It feels like a quick fix, and you go, yep,
I'm a parent, I want to ban it. But actually
the bigger problem is social media generally, right, and there's
a lot of things you can do about social media.
You can remove anonymity for a start. You have to

(01:02:19):
be a real person to register. Then you can be
you know, you know, have a handle of girl Boss
if you want, but you but you've got to prove.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
You're a real person.

Speaker 21 (01:02:28):
And I think that that's regardless of age. Actually, So
there's a whole bunch of things that we can do
for everyone to make it better for everybody. Yeah, I
mean I just think you know, if you're trying to
go ban it, you're going to ban Spotify.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Do you have a problem with the ban on kids
under eighteen smoking Sigi?

Speaker 21 (01:02:44):
So smoking cigarettes?

Speaker 10 (01:02:46):
Yes?

Speaker 21 (01:02:46):
But that but are you going to say, then, Heather
that YouTube Spotify where kids are sharing playlists, YouTube, weather
actually learning a lot of stuff, and YouTube manages not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
To do the all of these social media You have
to be clear about what'scial media.

Speaker 21 (01:03:00):
Per So that's what you've got to do. Enough cigarettes, right,
that's the number of it. Yeah, because if you're if
you're defining social.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Media, define social media. Jonathan Hate has defined social media
in his book yep.

Speaker 21 (01:03:12):
But but does it also include Spotify? Does it good YouTube?

Speaker 9 (01:03:15):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
I don't think it includes YouTube.

Speaker 21 (01:03:17):
Yes, So that's what you have to clarify first, that's
I think the point David Seymour was trying to make.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Thank God for interpreting that robot to me. OK.

Speaker 22 (01:03:26):
I think that if you look at political bands, often
they are thrown up as great headlines, as Josie said
to think of the oil and gas band, think of
the foreign home by a band. They're thrown up as
great headlines. But in this instance, I do think that
Seymour has a point about legislation that is not properly

(01:03:49):
where their problem statement is not properly defined, and that
means that the solution is not probably members bill.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
The members bill is crappy, but that doesn't mean that
the idea is crappy, does it tru No, No, And.

Speaker 22 (01:04:01):
That's exactly my point. So I think, you know, when
the members bill popped up on Wednesday, I actually thought
that it was a little bit disingenuous of Luxen and
the government making a big deal of it because it's
a member's bill.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
It was in the hat.

Speaker 22 (01:04:14):
Who knew if anything was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
If they are.

Speaker 22 (01:04:17):
Really serious about this, there is a huge amount of
work to get this done and make sure it's effective.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
You have to be so fast I know.

Speaker 21 (01:04:26):
Can I make one real quick Yes, social media is
protected by a thing called Section two thirty protection. Banks
are protected by the same thing. I they're not responsible
for how the money was acquired. That's in their bank vaults.
Same with social media. They're not legally responsible if you
do harmful contents. On the point is maybe we need
to remove that protection.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I love that. Thank you guys, appreciate it. That's our
heart all this evening. Seven away from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Six, it's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast
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Speaker 23 (01:04:56):
That'd be.

Speaker 18 (01:05:00):
The time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
It's four away from six, Heather, Thank you to Wayne
very much for putting that in perspective. Wayne did put
that in perspective as to how much he cares. Don't
go to Wayne and complain if if your beach is
being flooded by Pope. By the way, Wayne will be like, oh, nah,
don't care. That's his approach.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Nah, not more important.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Thing's got to go to my Saint Mary's Bay meeting anyway.
So it appears that this came up, this particular thing.
Can somebody please write this down and pass us to Wayne.
If you're listening, Ken, if you're listening, can you write
this down and pass us to Wayne? On the tenth
of December last year at ten o'clock the Policy and
Planning at ten sorry, ten oh two am, let's be specific,

(01:05:37):
the Policy and Planning Committee, which was meeting in the
reception lounge at the Auckland Town Hall, had a meeting
about this and they passed this and he was there
well the meeting. The meeting convened at ten oh two.
It appears that he came into the meeting at one
forty eight and he was there when it was passed
and there was no disagreement, therefore he supported it. So anyway,

(01:05:59):
don't worry. Have we got the bit in with Ken.
We're already called Ken. We're on to Ken. We've sent
an email to Ken. So anyway, maybe Ken will come
on at some stage because he's got the delegated power. Listen,
you know the little green bins that you find all
you've got the green bins. You know you've gotta put
all your organically pearly carrots into the green bin. Don't
put the plastic in. You know, I love them, don't we. Anyway,

(01:06:21):
somebody's done the numbers on how much though you are.
It is going to blow your mind what a waste
of money they are. I'm going to run you through
it shortly. But Nikola willis woman of the moment with
us next Newstalks there.

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Speaker 12 (01:06:50):
News talks that be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Even in coming up for the next hour, Shane Soley
is going to talk us through how we think the
China US trade talks went. ABC Business Sales on whether
small businesses actually can repay those COVID loans which are
coming to you. And Gavin Gray is with us out
of the UK seven par six and Nikola Willis Finance
Ministers with US. Now, Hi, Nikola, Hi, So did you
read the Sunday Star Times first or did somebody tell

(01:07:14):
you what was in there?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
I read it first. I read all my news alerts
diligently on a Sunday morning. That one was surprising. I
hadn't expected that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
No, And how do you feel about it?

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Well, you know, water off a duck's back. Really, the
unfortunate reality of political life, as people call your names
and say mean things. But I always think about other
young women who I want to go into politics, and
I don't want them to think that it's okay to
have their agenda weaponized against them. And I don't want
any young woman to think there's a difference between girl

(01:07:48):
maths and boy maths. It's called maths.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, that's the thing that's surprised I think. I mean,
apart from the gendered put down, which was pretty remarkable
to read in print. But apart from that, that was
the thing that really surprised me is that we had
a woman saying that another woman cannot do maths because
she is a woman. That's bizarre, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Yeah, it has been bizarre, and it's not what you'd
expect to see in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Tell me, tell me what you know from this, Nikola.
Do you want this column taken back? Do you want
an apology? What do you want?

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
I don't want it to be about me. I want
it to be about getting the truth out there, because
the thing that has irritated me and my female colleagues,
who are also insulted terribly in that column is a
lot of half truth smiths leading information, lack of facts,
and the facts on what we've done on pay equity
are quite different from many of the claims being made publicly,
and I want that information out there. So I hope

(01:08:39):
that a few people click on my response to the
Weekend Star Tribe and read those facts. That's what's important.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Don't worry nobody read any of the misfacts because nobody
got past that word.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
That was family shock.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Yeah we got there and went, oh, okay, that's the
end of that column.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Hey, you know that is a nice side of it.
Though heither, there's been some real solidarity. I've had messages
from women I haven't seen in years, just saying, you know,
I might not even be a NAT, but you should
not have to tolerate that someone sent me flowers. I've
had a real outpouring of suppress. Actually, a former MP.
I'll keep her name private because you know, I haven't

(01:09:18):
been disclosed to bring her into the public domain. But
a former MP, she just said, there are no words,
so I'm sending you flowers instead.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
That's a very nice thing to do. Now, listen, how
much did you save by revamping the pay equity scheme?

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Looks significant money billions, and it is the case that
Without that money, we would have far fewer positive initiatives
in our budget that we think are necessary and a
priority for New Zealand right now. But the most important
thing for me always as we've been looking at this
issue for some months, has been we've got to get
it right in principle, because I believe in the idea

(01:09:55):
of pay equity. I know not everyone does, but I do.
That is the idea that some women have been semically
undervalued and underpaid because they are women, and I think
there should be correction for that in law. So I
wanted to be sure that any regime we put up
to replace the existing regime would uphold that principle before
we then move to make changes. Having satisfied ourselves of that,

(01:10:17):
I was happy to go through with it. And it
is the case that if we hadn't done it, labor
scheme was in such a mess that it was exploding
in costs, it was going to cost billions more in
the future, it was going to lead to borrowing extra
taxes or massive spending cuts. And so the decision we've
come to is the right one. It's the financially sound one,
and it's the principled one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Have you saved seventeen billion.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
I'm not going to give you the number today either,
because that's what all now she's what she's done is
looked at how much money was in contingency and the budget.
That contingency number covers more than pay equity.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Okay, so is it more than ten billion.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
It's a really big number. I'm going to reveal it
on budget day, the only but that's a bit subtle
about it, as we have retained funding for future pay
equities settlements, so we've kept money and contingency. Yep. That
number I can't disclose because obviously it's a sensitive figure
for commercial negotiations for employment bargaining that will occur. So

(01:11:16):
there's some complexity in what I can reveal about how
big the costs had got, how much we'd saved, and
how much we've kept in reserve. But I'm going to
be as candid as I can within those bounds on budget.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I'll tell you what I did. What I don't understand
is why you're being honest with us today and saying, yep,
we've saved a whole bunch of money for the budget.
But then Chris lux In last week was like, no,
it's not about the budget. It clearly is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
Well, look, right on day one I said, look, this
is going to deliver bit billiance. I was absolutely up today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
And as to going out and saying it's not about
the budget, well, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
He was probably reflecting the point I made to you earlier,
which is that actually, this is still a principal change.
It's not as if we were prepared to do absolutely
anything to fund the budget, which was how some were
characterizing it. We first needed to satisfy ourselves that we
could do this in a way that was fair and just,
and then having determined that, then the savings flow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I don't believe that. Do you know why I don't
believe that, because if you, guys, if this wasn't about
the budget, you wouldn't have done it last week in
the space of a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Like well, ago, Yeah, we'll just be clear about that.
We were thinking about it ages ago. I first brought
a paper on pay equity to cabinet in April last year.
We first started discussing legislative change in December, having made
cabinet decisions in March. We didn't need to get the
legislation passed in order for those savings to be realized.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Why didn't I talk about this publicly so you could
bring people with.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
You, Because our concern was that we would create a
limbo land for many months in which people would not
know whether their current claims were going to be progressed,
the basis on which they were going to be assessed,
and we'd create a situation in which you'd have a
group of people thinking, should I be rushing in my
claim or should I be changing the nature of my claim.

(01:13:00):
This way, we've provided certainty, clarity. The new regime is
now in place that's very nanimous, clean inside how they
want to submit their terne.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
But it's magnanimous of you, but you've ended up shocking
people to such an extent that it's backfired on you. Guys,
I would say, don't you think well?

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
I think the truth will out. I trust New Zealanders
to see through the heat and the noise and to
get their heads around this. To reject the ridiculous claims
by labor and others that we've somehow got rid of
equal pay, which remains as protected in law as it
always has been. To reject the idea that we're actually
cutting women's pay. No all those nurses, all those social

(01:13:34):
workers who've got pay equity settlements, They're still going to
be paid. And to reject the idea that we're somehow
getting rid of the pay equity. Actually there will be
future settlements, so that information, once people have it in
their heads, I trust that they'll see this was a
sensible decision.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
I was reading about Adrian Orr's last meeting with you
and US and Christian Hawksby was at the Select Committee
and say, I can't remember what it was about. He
doesn't remember, do you?

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:59):
There was three topics we discussed. We discussed capital adequacy ratios,
We discussed the Reserve Banks funding agreement, and we discussed
the Reserve Bank's progress on the banking competition issues, which
I had written expectations to them about earlier in the year.

Speaker 20 (01:14:15):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
So I think this is quite suspicious, Nikola, that it
feels to me like this bust up has been potentially
about the capital adequacy ratios, right, because you asked for
multiple meetings with him about the capital requirements and he
said I can't do it. He can't do it. Februy seven,
can't do it, February ten, can't do it. Whatever, whatever,
and then while you are getting that locked into the diary,
you ask Treasury whether it's possible for you to actually

(01:14:38):
override him and force him to do what you want.
So was that what it was really about?

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
No, As I said, there were three topics up for discussion,
the Reserve Banks funding agreement and its progress on banking.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
No, I mean that, Why is that why he quit?

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
I know, I don't think that that is why he quit.
As I've said, his reasons for resigning are his own.
There for him to expect press, not for me. But actually,
the relationship I have with the Reserve Bank is also
with its board, who actually were very involved in the
decision to do their own review of capital adequacy, reflecting
the views of the board members that that was an

(01:15:15):
appropriate thing to do, reflecting what has been widespread public
discussion and critique of their position, and their desire to
check it and to defend it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
So he didn't quit because you try to force him
to change the capital requirements.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
You don't think that's the case.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
As I say, his reasons for his resignation are his own.
He worked through his employment relationship with the Reserve Bank
Board not me. I'm not his employer. I was advised
of his resignation. I was told that there was personal
reasons for it. Yeah, and actually that's where it's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Ats okay, But so if you don't think that's the case,
it means it is also possible that it is the case.
Like it's possible, you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Know, if you want the answers to these questions, the
person to speak with as Adrian or himself. I can't
tell you what went through his mind and what fact
did into his decision. I suspect, like most people who
decide to end a job, there was all sorts of
things going on to the houses.

Speaker 9 (01:16:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Not for the first time. You've suggested that we interview
somebody else, and it's not a bad idea. Actually we will,
thank you very much.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
I've got a future as a radio producer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Well know, when Andrea is done with you, you might
need it. That's Nickola Willis's finance minister. Obviously that Andrea
is not going to have any impact on it. Well,
who knows. Hey, listen, got some information on what's going
on with Jevin mcskimming. Turns out this is the deputy
police commissioner. It turns out he's resigned because they found
some pawn on his work computer. That's no no, So

(01:16:44):
what happened in fact, I'll give you the details shortly,
but basically they had a look into the first allegation
found the pawn during that when to him said you
got paorn on your computer, and he said, right, I quit.
We'll talk about it later. Seventeen past six, it's the.

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Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Heither most of us couldn't give a stuff why Adrian
or resigned. We just celebrate the fact that he has
gone good ridden. So I'm starting to think it's pot
by the I just rain you through this really quickly,
starting to think it has got something to do with
Nikola wanting to basically override him on the capital requirements,
you know that thing how much capital the banks hold
and stuff. So it turns out she was very keen
to meet up with him, and she said can you
can we have a meeting in February seven and he

(01:17:24):
was like, Noah, February five, No, no, Februy twenty four, yes, okay,
So they're locked in the meeting for February twenty four.
It's all about and all. The subject of the meeting
is capital requirements. Meantime, she also asked Treasury listen, is
it possible if I just tell him what to do
and he has to do it? Can I do that?
And they were like, yeah, well technically it's the nuclear option,
but blah blah blah whatever, you know, it used to

(01:17:44):
be the case anyway, never mind. Then they had the meeting.
Then he the meeting about capital requirements, after she took
advice on whether she could force him. Then they had
the meeting about that. Then he quit, and then the
bank decided, oh, Adrian's not here. Yeah, look, well A
considered changing our minds. So it's a bit suspicious, isn't
It must be about that six twenty one now Shane

(01:18:05):
solely harbor Asset Management is with us. Hey, Shane, Hi, okay,
so we've got the trade talks. What's the latest?

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
Yeah, Look, so the US and Chinese governments have both
reported substantial progress. They spending two days in Switzerland having talks,
say but de escalating the trade war. They haven't released
any specifics, but the Chinese Vice Premier he left thing.
He said that two biggest economies have agreed to create
a nechanism for further talks now tonight CMPU in New

(01:18:32):
Zealand time, US Treasurer Scott said he's going to do
a briefing on the China talk. So it's notice pending
either notice pending.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
How are the capital markets reacting?

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Look going into the weekend, there was actually pretty low
expectations market. It's pretty much of the view that the
sisters the starter, there's the icebreaker. But if these statements
from the two governments are actually correct about the talks
being sustainded, it's a better outcome. You know, the truthers
will still left arras and they will still lead to
slower activity and unfortunately a little bit high inflation, but

(01:19:04):
it'll be less bad. So what we're seeing in New
Zealand's trading time, as the US dollar has gone up,
the US SHAR market's actually the futures, this is the
forward market that gets traded outside normal time, is up
about one and a half percent plus And locally we
saw a slightly better day in the New Zealand shre
market up half a percent. Main FRAT that was the
big leader on the day, up five percent to sixty

(01:19:26):
six dollars. It is potentially a benefit of beneficiary of
this storing and trade between China and US, but really,
until we sort of see the details, it's just words
suiting that Swiss chocolate might have hit the spot in
terms of sweeting things up there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Now with the market surprised by Donald Trump's announcement on pharmaceuticals.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Yeah, so we've sort of got when there was something
due to be announced late last week and so what
has come out on as social media platform and said
we're going to cut prescription drug costs in the US
by thirty between thirty and eighty percent, bringing them into
line with other countries using what's called the most Favored
Nations price in model. I won't bore you with the details,
but it's something that's been used before and what this

(01:20:06):
has done, unfortunately, it's seen healthcare stops in the Asia
Pacific markets go down today on worries that their profits
will take a hit if they have to reduce prices
in the US and they need locally efficient pipe with
healthy issue price was down two percent to thirty five
dollars twenty perhaps impacted by that news.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Shane, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate
your time mate, that we're talking in next week Shane
Solly Harbor Asset Management. Listen, do you remember those COVID
loans for small businesses, the ones where they I think
paid no interest at all for two years and then
a little bit for out there after. Anyway, they are
coming up to you pretty much from this month, so
we're going to talk talk shortly about whether that's actually
even going to get paid back at all. Heabes Outstanding
six twenty four.

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Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
MB six twenty six. So do you have a MX skimming?
This is what it says. The Herald has been told
by multiple sources that detectives investigating the original complaint against
MC Skimming allegedly discovered pornographic material on one of his
electronic work devices. The alleged pawn was not relevant to
the original complaint, but sources believed it was evidence to
start a new separate employment case against the Deputy Commissioner

(01:21:18):
and then he resigned. I don't know, I'll tell you
what if I was, I'd feel like they were out
to get me. That's a bit one of those ones
where they go, oh, we're investigating. Oh look we've found
something else. We're gonna have another one at Yeah, anyway,
we'll see where that goes. He's got a lawyer, it's
Linda Clark, so that says a lot. Now, the bins
in Auckland. There is a publication called The Centrist which

(01:21:40):
has done a bit of back of the envelope maths
about what's going on with the bins in Auckland. You
know those little food bins. Yeah, don't use them. If
you care about finances or the planet, you probably don't
want to be putting your scraps in them, because it
turns out they are hugely expensive. So once you do
all the maths and you have a look at how
much it costs and how much we're saving with it,

(01:22:01):
it turns out they have every carbon, every unit of carbon.
It's all about the climate. Every unit of carbon that
you save, it's costing Auckland one thousand, four hundred and
forty dollars. Now you can save the carbon if you
want to by putting your stuff in the bin and
trucking it down to Rotu and dumping it over there
and spending fourteen fourteen hundred dollars on it. Or simpler,

(01:22:25):
we could plant you a tree to offset that carbon
that'll cost one hundred and twenty dollars per unit, or
even cheaper, we could just buy you one of the
units of the carbon auction that will cost fifty dollars
a unit. So it doesn't seem like the smartest study.
And now they'll go, oh, well, the economies of scale.
Even if they get to their target of saving fifty
thousand tons, which is what they're trying to do at

(01:22:45):
Auckland Council, the cost per unit will still be seven
hundred and twenty dollars per unit. There's somebody there's some
girl maths going on there a, isn't it. I'll be
just the boy doing it as well. Anyway, Headline's next home.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
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Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
News talks that'd be did you've taken me?

Speaker 23 (01:23:22):
Na ay?

Speaker 8 (01:23:24):
Game?

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Pray is going to be at us and ten minutes
someone tell you what. The government of there is really
cracking down on migration in quite a significant way, requiring
all kinds of English language competency which they didn't require
beforehand before people can actually live there permanently. So we'll
talk to them about that. Just thoughts and prayers to Wellington,
because the tough days of Wellington hospitality are by no

(01:23:45):
means over news today, just in just today that two
institutions are closing, one like completely different ends of the scale,
by the way. One is our Veda which is on
Featherston Street, and that will be well known to people
who you know, leave the office and head out for
a little after after work tipple like they used to
do back in the day. Many will have gone there.
And the other one is Ekem Burgher's which is across

(01:24:07):
the road from the Southern cross over there on Cuba Street.
Brilliant burgers, probably the I reckon, probably the best burgers
you would get in Wellington. Ekem incidentally is Mike spelt backwards.
I know because I went there and I said that's
a weird name and then they told me anyway, both
of those things are closing, and it is a sad
day for the capital to see so many of the
outfits closing twenty three away from seven they do. Now,

(01:24:27):
speaking of businesses, do you remember those small business loans
that Grant and just Sinder handed out at the heights
of the pandemic in twenty twenty, Well, they were all
supposed to be paid back within five years, which means
they're coming up. Do you write about now? But there's
still about nine hundred million outstanding. Chris Small is managing
director at ABC Business Sales and with US. Now, hey, Chris, hey, here,
here are you going? I'm very well, thank you. Now,

(01:24:49):
if nine hundred million is still paid back, and it
was also is still outstanding, and it was all supposed
to be paid back within five years, I would say
a lot of that is not coming in, is it?

Speaker 10 (01:24:58):
You spot on? Yeah? Very unlikely And given the security
position that the government had, it was actually an unsecured loan,
so they're not walking on particularly strong footing when it
comes to trying to receive it either.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Okay, So what's gone on here? Have the businesses folded?
Have they just decided they're not going to pay it back?

Speaker 10 (01:25:16):
What? Well, when you think about it, when it was
first off, it it was interest free for a year,
and then it moved to three percent after that for
the next four years. Generally, an unsecured business loan would
be anywhere from sort of goodness eight to twelve percent,
So of course everyone was going to take it if
you're a sensible business person. And then I suspect that
they've just really put their heads in the sand and

(01:25:36):
just pretend it's not there, because you know, three percent,
there's not a lot to be paying back on an
interest only basis. And there's probably also a few of
them that are probably not no longer around because a
high proportion of these businesses were sold traders, and businesses
were fewer than six full time staff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
It's not as if we've left things for five years,
is it. It's not like we said here's your money
in twenty twenty and then we're going to leave it.
There has been some contact with these people, hasn't that?

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:26:04):
But minimal I think, you know, really they put the
government put there, especially the previous can't put their head
in the sand through this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Money possible, Chris, if there's been minimal contact, is it
possible that some of these people just forgot and all
of a sudden Oh jeez, yeah, I've got to pay
the money back here it is I.

Speaker 10 (01:26:19):
Suspect will strongly suspect that's a very small proportion. I
suspect they will struggle to get the majority of this
money back because either they can't afford it be what
you remember as a business owner is more than like
you're going to have a home loan mortgage, so that'll
take priority because if he doesn't pay that, the bank
will come in and take his house. Yeah, the government
doesn't have the ability to do that. They don't have

(01:26:40):
a personal guarantee. They don't have a mortgage on his
business or his house. So they're going to be a
lot lower in the pecking order when it comes to
who a business owner decides to pay back. And that's
if they're still around.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
I mean, I can't believe that I'm actually saying this.
But we've learned a lesson, haven't we, As if we
did as if we learned needed to learn this lesson,
we have learned a lesson here We've.

Speaker 10 (01:27:00):
Bleuned the hard way. That's nine hundred million that potentially
could go towards hospitals, education, lots of other good stuff.
But in the end, we we basically gave it away.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Does it surprise? I mean, Chris, this is one oh
one about lending money. You make sure it's secured, you know,
you lend it reasonable rate. So this is this has
got to be one of the dumbest things that you've
seen happened.

Speaker 10 (01:27:21):
Surely, well, absolutely, I mean, who wouldn't take the money
interest free for the first year and then moves to
three percent and it's unsecured. I mean I would have.
We didn't take any because we were I guess we've
got to act with ethics and integrity. But I think
a lot of New Zealanders would have taken that. And
who knows what a what they did with the money
and who knows where they are now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Yeah, pretty remarkable. Chris, thank you very much, really appreciated.
Chris Small, Managing Director, ABC Business Sales.

Speaker 10 (01:27:47):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
The next question about Jim mc skinner mc skimming is
is the paorn illegal now? And here's the thing. Okay, no,
porn obviously is not. Well, the vast majority of porn
will not be illegal. It will just be some a
moral judgment. But but and here's the thing. If you
go have a look at your employment, you know your

(01:28:07):
use of technology, you know, devices and stuff like that.
Your business, like our business, has an we'll have an
employment policy on it and it will quite clearly say
unless your employer is a complete numpty, it will quite
clearly say employees are not to access pornographic material on
their work supplied devices. And if it's his work computer,

(01:28:30):
then it was work supplied. And if it was his
works was it his laptop or was it his desktop?
Because if it was his laptop then you know, whatever
time of day. But if it was his desktop, is
he doing entering work hours? There's a whole bunch of
things that you can ask questions about there eighteen away
from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
News talks that'd be priichi here that we should be
bloody chasing that money. We paid our loan back, bloody mugs,
aren't we. We don't need that money yet quite right.
We'll talk about that probably tomorrow, I think a little
bit more quarter to seven and with me now as
Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, Hey, Gevin, hi, there had that
what are the chances Putin turns up to this meeting.

Speaker 23 (01:29:17):
Yeah, it's going to be I think, a very very
interesting forty eight hours or so before we reach the
Thursday meeting that's deadline now between Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelenski,
which we now know to be in hosted by Turkey
Regick Tybird. When the President says he's happy to host it.
It's interesting. I think that since President Trump's intervention that

(01:29:42):
he wanted this to take place, that it appears Ukraine
has dropped its demand for a cease fire before agreeing
to talks, because we're now hearing on x anyway, President
Zelenski has said that there is no point in prolonging
the killing. And I will be waiting for Putin in

(01:30:02):
Turkey on Thursday personally, and it is therefore the first
time we're going to see these face to face talks
between the pair. After all, we suspect that President Putin
will turn up. He's the one that's demanded the face
to face talks. But this talk of a thirty day
pause in fighting, which was due to start now has
gone very quiet with talk. We just don't know if

(01:30:24):
Russia is going to respect that or whether that's not
going to happen at all.

Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
So perhaps now.

Speaker 23 (01:30:29):
Ukraine feeling that it has to soften its stance demanding
the ceasefire before the talks, to first of all appease
President Trump, I guess, but also to get these talks underway.
So plenty riding on this after so many deaths and
so long at the country being ripped apart by Russian aggression.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Gevin, talk to me about the charge that you know
this chap who is the prime suspect of Metal and
McCann's diappearance. What's the extra charge that he's facing now.

Speaker 23 (01:30:57):
Yes, so, Christian Brukner is his name, and he was
due to be released from jail in September for existing
offenses that he was behind bars for. The forty eight
year old was imprisoned in Germany for raping a seventy
two year old American tourist in Portugal back in two
thousand and five. You'll remember that three year old Madeline

(01:31:19):
McCann vanished for her holiday apartment in Portugal in two
thousand and seven. It's become obviously one of the highest
profile unsolved missing person cases in the world. So every
single move that Bruckner because he's not being identified as
a suspect in her disappearance until twenty twenty. But every
single move that comes around about this man gains international attraction,

(01:31:42):
of course, and we're being told that he's due in
court shortly in the next few days, accused of insulting
a member of prison staff. Now the precise details of
this allegation have not been made public. It doesn't sound
terribly serious, but there is this sort of underplayer thought
that they're very keen to keep him in prison while

(01:32:03):
they continue to justify or continue to try to link
him to Madeline McCann's disappearance. Now we don't know that
for sure. The German authorities have not said that that.
That's certainly come out by lots of experts believing that
it'll be a big fear that when he releas is
release from prison as a freeman, he would then skip
Germany and disappear altogether.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Kevin, the stuff that your Prime Minister is announcing, this
crackdown of migration, is this proving popular?

Speaker 23 (01:32:32):
I think it will do, and the reason is quite
simply the figures Heather. So obviously, now in the UK
we've had a surge for Reform UK in the polls,
something that they have taken voters or support from both
the party of government Labor and the previous party of
government the Conservatives. And one of the key things that

(01:32:53):
Reform says it would do is get net migration down
to zero. Well, last year net migration was seven hundred
and twenty eight thousand, the year before it was nine
hundred and three thousand, So just in two years more
than one point six million net migration into the UK.
It's obviously very very sore and sensitive subject and it's

(01:33:16):
not just illegal migration that people want to crack down on. Hey,
it's legal migration as well. This government to outline in
just under an hour's time what new contribution it's going
to make to this debate. It is going to apparently
extend the amount of time that somebody has to be
resident here before they can apply from citizenship from five

(01:33:39):
to ten years. It's going to reduce the reliance on foreign.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
Workers, particularly in the care sector.

Speaker 23 (01:33:46):
And there'll be new English language requirements for every visa route,
including adult dependence. That bit is completely new that you
also not just the main applicant, but the family members
as well should have a working level of English. So
these things the government promises will get tightening up of
net migration, but others are saying these are just tinkering

(01:34:09):
around the edges, and frankly we should leave the European
Court of the Human Rights in order to prevent people
from putting out spurious appeals.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Gavin, it's always good to talk to you, mate. Thank
you so much, Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. By the way,
talk of the trade deal this is between the US
and China, that the trade warll coming to some sort
of a resolution. Has actually done fantastic things for our market,
has Shane Sally was saying earlier main freight's gone up
five percent, just like that's the ego. I am not

(01:34:37):
loving what Ikea is doing in this country and this
is not ye. I mean, obviously the flat pack stuff's
fine by me, but it's opening the shops and stuff.
I've been given jobs, that's all fine by me. What
it is is that it's the tree planting it's going on.
Ikea is planting a hell of a lot of trees
in this country. So they've had three OIO applications. Business Desk,
by the way, has just done the numbers today. I

(01:35:00):
applications just this year and when you and that brings
the total number of applications that have been granted by
the OO now to twenty nine. So Ika has gone
to the OEO and said, hey, I want to buy
a farm and am I allowed? And they've gone yes,
twenty nine times, twenty nine pieces of land total land

(01:35:21):
acquisation acquisitions and our twenty seven thousand hectares. Now, to
just put that into some perspective for you, the average
farm in this country is about two hundred and eighty hectares.
They've got twenty seven thousand hectares. That is enormous valued
it close to three hundred and seventy million dollars. And
what they do. And the two most recent applications, by
the way, granted in February March this year, one in Cluther,

(01:35:43):
one in Taranaki. They say, look, don't worry about it.
We're not just planting trees for the carbon. We're planting
trees so that we can you know, chop the trees
down and make some you know, supply our wood for
all the stuff that we're doing. And that's Look, that
does make it somewhat better. It's much better. To actually
have the trees being planted, chopped down, planted, chopped down, planted,

(01:36:03):
choped downs. You've got a bit of something going on there, right,
and a little bit of work being created, and we're
earning some money offered and stuff like that. That's a
hell of a lot better than just a tree that
stands there for god knows how long. But they are
still planting sheep and beef farms into trees. Not I
don't know about you, but I feel deeply uncomfortable. That's
a hell of a lot of land to just be
turning into trees, isn't it. Eight away from seven it's

(01:36:25):
the Heather.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
By the way, a six away from seven, a cool
thing happened over the weekend which most of us were
completely unaware of, which is that I've got to name
this thing properly. I've got to do it properly for you.
Cosmos four eight two might have re entered the Earth's atmosphere. Now,
if you're like, what's that, well, let me tell you.
Cosmos four eight two is a spacecraft that was launched

(01:36:54):
in the Soviet era that was by the Soviet Union
that was supposed to do a sol landing on Venus,
but never got to Venus. It just instead. What happened does?
It just got trapped in Earth's orbit since about nineteen
seventy two, so it's been going round. I think a
bit of it fell on New Zealand, like maybe some
years ago. I don't really know. I think that's what
happened anyway, since she's been going around since nineteen seventy two,

(01:37:16):
just in a circle, round and round and round. And
then sometime over the weekend it came down somewhere on
our planet. And I don't know where, but they'll find it,
no doubt.

Speaker 19 (01:37:25):
Its yeah, by Usher to play us out tonight.

Speaker 11 (01:37:28):
Here.

Speaker 19 (01:37:28):
The Usher's on tour at the moment, going around the world,
and he's doing a little thing at his concerts where
and this is probably a good reason to buy tickets
if you're a fan of Usher. He will grab a
fan out of the lap dance. Well not quite that,
but he will pull you out of the crowd up
on stage and he'll feed you a cherry, like he'll
take a cherry out of his pocket, out of a
bunch of cherries and he'll dangle it by the stem
and let you kind of, you know, eat the cherry.

(01:37:50):
It was a bit awkward for him at the last.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Describe to me where he's standing when he does this.

Speaker 19 (01:37:54):
He's standing over you. Either he's standing very very close.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
To you, very close. He's being a late dance, isn't it,
And he's.

Speaker 19 (01:37:59):
Raised his arm above you and he's dangling the cherry
in your face.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
How long has the cherry been in his pocket?

Speaker 19 (01:38:04):
Well, well, he's holding like a basket of them in
the clip I've seen, so I hope presumably like there's
an assistant who runs in from off stage to hand
them to him. But the awkward part was at the
London concert. Then the lady made it clear she wasn't
keen on the cherry, and she try about three times
to say no, no, no, I don't want the cherry,
And then finally he worked out. He informed the crowd
that she's allergic to cherries to hear what she was saying,
and he thought she was just being coy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Did she ask him to swap something else out the well?

Speaker 19 (01:38:28):
He gave her a hug and steer and stuff, so
she still still got money's worth it. Anyway. Yeah, so
I think he's playing Melbourne towards the end of the
Arn and one other show in Australia as well, could
be in New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
One.

Speaker 19 (01:38:37):
So if you're a fan of cherries and the ushers,
you know, Mike, Mike, maybe keep an eye out for
that one.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
You reckon it's a warm cherry if it's come out
of his pocket.

Speaker 19 (01:38:44):
Like I said, it didn't come out of his pocket.
It came out of a basket like he had a
basket of cherries that I did.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
I just make that a whole lot more exciting than
it actually was.

Speaker 19 (01:38:52):
What he rea saltily into his pocket and then pulls
out a shell. Oh right, well, maybe something to think
about us or if you're listening to change out the
act of it, you want to make.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Something to think about.

Speaker 20 (01:39:03):
See you tomorrow, Yes, yes, take that the rewinded back.

(01:39:32):
Little John got to beat them, make your booty go,
take that rewind it back. Erth Sir got the voice
to make your booty go, Take that rewinded back. Ludacris
got the flow to make your booty go. Take that
rewind it back. Little John got to beat them, make
your booty go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
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