Full Show Podcast: 14 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for
the full picture. Heather Do p seel Drive with one
New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, we're
going to speak to Green Party leader Chloe saw Brick
about that alternative budget, the Auckland Depity Mayor Disley Simpson
about the asbestos problem at Auckland Museum, and another organization
barred from going into the budget lock up. This time
it is Infrastructure New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
To Heather Do for c Alan jeez.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'd love to know what labor are saying behind closed
doors about the Green Party's alternative budget released today. I
mean that's sort of playing nice in public, but behind
closed doors they must be tearing their hair up because
this is next level crazy. I mean, none of it
is a surprise. It is full of exactly the kind
of utopian money grows on trees. When I grow up,

(00:56):
I want to be a unicorn kind of stuff that
we expect from the Greens. There is a wealth tax,
there is an increased companies tax. There is rather there
are two personal tax rates, two new personal tax rates.
There's a private jet tax, an inheritance tax, doubling the
brightline test to bring in more capital gains tax, and
a doubling of the minerals tax. They're also going to

(01:18):
save some money by cutting planned prisoner beds, but they
haven't quite explained how they're going to stop these bad
guys actually committing the crimes that land them in prison
in the first place. They're going to spend the money
on light rail in Auckland, an overnight train from Wellington
to Auckland, trains from Auckland to Totunger, trains from christ
Church and Eden, trains from Auckland to Hamilton, free GPS,

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free nursing services, free annual dental checkups, free basic dental care,
free prescriptions, free childcare from age six months, free income
in the form of a UBI for students and beneficiaries.
As I say, just the usual crazy stuff which ninety
percent of US voters seem to agree makes them completely

(02:01):
unfit to run the country's books. My reaction, obviously has
just been to laugh, because you know, I was five
years old too once, and I also had these kinds
of dreams. Labour's reaction must be to cry because this
kind of looney nonsense has paraded a serious policy just
makes it so much harder for labor to get back
into government. I mean, labor will need the Greens much

(02:22):
more than they have in the past. Right, we are
no longer dealing with the Greens sitting at five percent,
where their nutty ideas can be ignored because they will
not get as much out of coalition negotiations. We are
now dealing with the Green Party consistently sitting at ten
percent and above. A labour Green's government will be three
quarters labor, one quarter of the Greens. And that's not
even counting the other dollop of crazy that's going to

(02:42):
come from the Mardi Party, Jet tax, death tax, wealth
tax crims out on the street. Labor must be weeping
today together.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Duper c Lan nine two ninety.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Two is the text understandard text fees apply now. Associate
Minister of Education David Seymour has announced a one one
hundred and forty million dollar funding boost to tackle truancy
in schools. Seventeen million dollars will go towards frontline services,
while the bulk, which is one hundred and twenty three
million dollars, will go towards setting up a new attendance agency.
Now Pat Newman is the principal of Ho To Ho
To School and he is with me. Now hapat welcome

(03:16):
back here?

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Killer been a while.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Has been a while. Now do you like the look
of this or no?

Speaker 5 (03:22):
Well, I first he leaped up and down. I thought
mister Seymour was finally doing something really useful. And then
I looked at it, and one hundred and forty million
is great, even though we know where the money came from,
which is on what they say, from not paying woman.
But I then looked at where it's going. He's inventing

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another bureaucracy. That's where it's going. He's inventing a bureaucracy
that has not worked in the past. On that way,
we have told him time and time again that the
schools handle it. Give us the funding, give us the rest.
That we don't need big brothers sitting over us from

(04:02):
Wellington giving directives and telling us how to do the job.
We're actually more skilled than it. The one hundred and
forty million over two and a half thousand schools is
about sixty five thousand each. Give it to us and
we could do something with it. I could tell you
now how I could end up. I could tomorrow get
another twelve kids in the school every day, if I

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could get another thirty thousand bucks.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
How would you do?

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Well, We've already put aside twenty five thousand of our
own money this year out of our OPS grant, and
I'm now desperately out there trying to raise a difference
to buy a van, another van. We've got two running
already to bring kids to school.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, okay, so you reckon Evan solves the problem, which
suggests that the problem for the kids is not that
they don't want to go to school. They do want
to go to school, they just can't get to school.
Is that what you're experiencing?

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Yeah, And finally I noticed in this thing, he's noticed
that that socioeconomics might just have something to do with it,
which I thought was quite surprising to see. More, but
he does, he actually acknowledges that. Fine, so perhaps that
might Well, he's always seems to blame parents rather realizing

(05:14):
that there is a cause which is called socio economics,
which is not a blame on parents. It's the reality
of where the government has dropped them.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh, I see, okay, all right.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
So he actually sees that they'll give more money to
schools and or high socio economic or low socio economic areas.
So to me, it might. The question I've got is
would the money be better spent on putting another bureaucracy
with computers that are supposed they're going to solve it
by checking who's not there, or actually solving the real problem,

(05:45):
which is socio economics.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Hey, how much of a problem is kids wanting to
set on the PlayStation?

Speaker 5 (05:53):
It's not actually during school time, we're not having that problem.
But it's definitely a problem, definitely. But the problem starts
at birth, where the PlayStations or those sort of things
that are the automatic babysitters, and people get it very
Mums and dads get very excited because the two year

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old can sit on the tablet and they think it
shows that they're a genius. It doesn't. In fact, it's
the start of the rotten. In my opinion, I've got
to be careful. I'm seventy two, but suddenly might say
that because i'm meanders Thrill.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
It's not.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
It's actually from what I see with the experience.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
And I'm a lot younger than you, and I can
tell you you'll bang on and I think most parents
and grandparents will agree with you. Hey, listen, I just
want you to take on something here. So David Symour
got a bit of he got the mayor's backs up
the other day because he asked if the mayors could
help him out, you know, just getting the community to
be involved, and kind of.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
There was an ideos meaning what was he meaning? He
told them he actually said that it was their job
to get out. He changed as the as the responsors
came back. Mister Seymour did change his view to an agreement.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
What did he want the master to go walk the
street and get the kids?

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Well, that's what I was saying. Yeah, And then what
he was saying get out and do stuff and you've
got a responsibility there. That was basically what do you say?
I actually said on Breakfast Show quite directly, mister Seymour,
this is not their job. But I want to ask
you this was mister Semour's job.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I want to ask you about this though, because the vibe,
the impression I got was that he was just trying
to basically rally the community. But is the community doing enough? Pat?
Are we doing enough? When we see kids wandering around
during school? What should we do it?

Speaker 7 (07:35):
Not?

Speaker 5 (07:36):
I look, we ran it very successfully. Then we ran
out of money because the government grants came, but we
did work up here. What the government needs to be
doing is using the television and other forms of media
who sell the message that being in school is important,
that we're there to help you.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
But why can't we do it? We're parents, we're grandparents.
Why can't we If we see snotty little Johnny will
around a twelve, go what do you do? Get in school?

Speaker 8 (08:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (08:06):
It would be really nice, and we were getting that
we're saying is looking over the fence in the neighbors
with the kids at school, saying hey, listen, what can
I do to help to get the kids to school?
And that's the whole thing of what I was trying
to say, is that. But we need to have something
driving it so people actually think it's all right to
do that. A lot of people say, oh, we can't
reach over there. They might, it's not our business, you

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know what I mean? And what we've got to do
is to reinvent the community. Because we don't have communities
in town, we don't have communities in city. So we've
got to reinvent them.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
You are quite right, and it's actually incumbent. It is
incumbent on ourselves. I suppose I personally think it's incumbent
on us to just set that community up again. Pat,
always good to talk to you. Thank you, mate. Pat
Newman to hold a school principal. Sixteen past four.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
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Speaker 3 (08:58):
Darcy water Grave sports talk hoster's affair.

Speaker 9 (09:00):
Right now, Hey, does do we talk about sports today
as opposed to shoes, wonderpants everything else?

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Actually, I'll tell you what I'm hi, are we Joe?
I am fascinated by this Nathan our Forage. What do
we know about him?

Speaker 9 (09:11):
Well, he's successful, he's an Australian. He was with the
team last time around when they won or defended the
America's Cup, so he knows what's going on. He understands
the cut of the jib of Team New Zealand, so
that this is good. We've got Chris Draper. He's been
a bit of a well you call him and every man,

(09:32):
a bit of a journey man, a.

Speaker 10 (09:33):
Bit of a guy who's been.

Speaker 11 (09:34):
He's been.

Speaker 10 (09:35):
He's sailed with a number of teams in the America's Cups.
Who knows it.

Speaker 9 (09:38):
But he's an Englishman, right, So the big thing here,
and this is in my humble opinion, and people might
shout that down I thought, and the deed of gift
is not out or not the deed of gift. It
might go back to that. But the rules of engagement,
the protocol has not been set yet. It's coming out soon.
Around eligibility now, I believe that back for a while

(10:00):
there they were like, no, we want New Zealanders running
for Team New Zealand. Allow one or two other passport members,
but otherwise it needs to be a New Zealand representative team.
Now that hasn't been settled yet between the defender and
the challenger, and that's probably coming out soon where the
actual event's going.

Speaker 10 (10:17):
To be held.

Speaker 9 (10:18):
So I think they looked at in a bitter early
LINGI and they're like, we've got to do something about this.
Otherwise he's not going to sale. He's gone anyway now
because it's no one there.

Speaker 10 (10:28):
My big question.

Speaker 9 (10:30):
And we'll be joined by Peter Lester for America's Cup
Sailor Punder, a wonderful guy knows the sport inside out
around eligibility because to me, this says to the sailing
community of New Zealand, there's no one else good enough.
I don't like that. It's hard enough that the cup's
not being sailed for. It's difficult to.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Saying or are they just saying there is nobody in
New Zealand as good as Nathan Outerich.

Speaker 9 (10:58):
Well, this is the question though, do you go for
the absolute pure talent to win or do you look
at developing fresh talent coming through? Is there somebody who
sails that can be up to speed? We're not talking
of twenty twenty seven right and Burling young man he
came into the trade.

Speaker 10 (11:14):
He done pretty well. Just from a New Zealand point
of view that we know that here we go again,
the ships sailed.

Speaker 9 (11:20):
When it comes to the ability of the team to.

Speaker 10 (11:27):
Call themselves a New Zealand team, was it not right?

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Is this the first time we've had a not New
Zealand or as the skipper?

Speaker 9 (11:33):
No, because Glenn Ashby was involved a couple of years ago.

Speaker 10 (11:36):
And Nathan Outridge was kind.

Speaker 9 (11:38):
Of cohelming last time around, so we have had involvement.
But it was quite strong and you remember this right, going, hey,
we need to look at what they didn't want was
a Berturelli rolling over from the other side of the
world and handpicking all of our best sailors running away
and wanting the cup, which is happened before, so you
understand that. But it's not being defended here and people

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feel in the all adrift.

Speaker 10 (12:02):
I'm gonna stop this.

Speaker 9 (12:04):
That makes it difficult when suddenly the best news surely,
surely with the talent that we've got here in New
Zealand coming through all the difference.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I've got to tell you something, Darcy, you don't care.
It's not our team. It's called Team New Zealand. But
it's Grant's team. It's adults team.

Speaker 10 (12:22):
So it's Team Grant.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
It's Team Grant. And so there is no it's not
it's not incumbent on him to pick a key. He
could pick whoever he wants is his team.

Speaker 9 (12:29):
And we talked about that, people like us turning around
holding into account.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
He's such a carry and I'm not crying.

Speaker 9 (12:45):
Last night here we are we had such can talk
about this yesterday about the thirtieth anniversary of the amazing
America's Cup victory, and here we are the next day and.

Speaker 10 (12:55):
It's a multinational side.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
That's right. I look forward to it, Darcy, thanks for
telling me off. That's rights. As per Darcy Waldgrave's sports
talk host back at seven this evening for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Moving the big stories of the day forward, or when
it's Heather dupers on and Drive with One New Zealand
let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
That'd be Uh, Heather, do you have to refer to
this lefty principle regarding anything to do with primary schools?
Here is so biased? Why can't the parents get up
in the morning and get the children up, fed and
off to school with a lunch? Nothing to do with
socio economics? Well, look wicked, I mean here is right.
It actually does have something to do with socioeconomics. Unfortunately
it does. It's far too complicated to have that discussion

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right now. But suffice to say, as for the dereliction
of duty from the parents, you will find that I'm
in agreement with you. Just if you're going to have
a child, for God's sake, give them the best chance
at life. Why don't you otherwise? How about not having
a child anyway? For twenty six so the things just
happened in parliament, jan Tinetti asked this question, does she

(13:57):
of Brook van Belden does she agree with Andreavance who
said about the equal Pay Amendment Bill? It is a
curious feminist moment, isn't it? Six girl bosses, willis her
hype squad, Judith Qualins, Eric Stanford, Louise Upston, Nicola greg
and Brook van Velden all united in an historic act
of economic backhanding other women. If not, how is unilaterally
stopping thirty three pay equity claims not an historic act

(14:19):
of economic backhanding other women? And this is what she said.

Speaker 7 (14:23):
And I do not agree with the clearly gendered and
patronizing language that Andrea Vance used to reduce senior cabinet
ministers to girl bosses, hype squads, references to girl math
and the women of this government are hard working, dedicated
and strong.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yep, she said the word in parliament. I went back
and had a look. I've got my eyes of watering
at the thought of what's just happened. I went to handsard,
I put the words, I'll put the whole I wrote
it out on my work computer and I don't see
any reference of this ever happening in parliament before. Apparently
it was like the air was sucked out of the
room and Winston's head fell into his hands, and now

(15:06):
it is in handsard for evermore. Anyway, Brook is going
to be with the Brook makes a very good point,
by the way, which is, oh, how we are so
feminist on the left. Look at us in the Labor
Party and the Green Party, in the Marti Party were
loop we're feminists. But when it comes out to defending
a woman in blue, not a peep to be heard. Apparently, anyway,
Brook's going to be with us. Ten past five, we

(15:27):
are with Warner not to say that word. Ah have
we yep, she knows headlines. Next s over.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Again having the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.
It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's
get connected news talk.

Speaker 6 (15:46):
Sa'd be o dart.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Malca, aren't you fo darting American.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Said the name crazy.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
The moment Van Valvens saying the sea word and parlor
is the only way the mainstream media would actually cover
the story. Now, I didn't realize that that's the case.
It takes me by I'm surprised no one's covered it
because it seems like some silatious it's got to swear
word in. It's classical left versus right battle, classic hypocrisy,
feminists not actually being feminists. The whole thing is awesome.

(16:19):
Why wouldn't you cover it? Anyway? We'll see if once
they do it in the old Parliament, once they say
it out loud, it does generally tend to get on
the TV news. It's going to rip some nineties over
the dinner table, isn't it. So anyway, we'll see how
that goes tonight. I have to run you through by
the we're going to talk to Chloe after five, and
I have to run you through the numbers because you're
going to be fascinated by what the planning should they

(16:41):
ever get onto the government benches and the Treasury benches there,
you'll be fascinated by what they're planning to do to
your money, which is obviously plunder it. So i'll run
you through those numbers shortly. Jason Walls are standing by
to talk to us from Parliament in about ten minutes
twenty four away from five.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's the world wires on newstalks.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
They'd drive big announcement from Donald Trump.

Speaker 9 (17:00):
I will be.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Ordering the cessation of sanctions against Syria in order to
give them a chance at creators.

Speaker 10 (17:09):
The sanctions were.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
Brutal and crippling and served.

Speaker 9 (17:12):
As an important really an important function nevertheless at the time.

Speaker 10 (17:17):
But now it's their time to Shane. It's their time
to Shane. We're taking them all off.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Trump is currently in Saudi Arabia and some of the
applause you heard there was from old MBS himself. Over
in Australia, the City of Sydney has banned events in parks.
Sydney's Lord Mayors is that events are causing too much
damage to the grass and it's costing too much. Shari Turf.
New South Wales Premier Chris Mins has asked the Lord
mare to reconsider.

Speaker 12 (17:40):
Yeah. I think she's made a big mistake here, and these,
particularly closer to the city. Open spaces, night markets, noodle markets,
places for the community to come together are exactly what
big cities should be doing. I don't think this is reasonable.
The decision needs to be reversed.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
And finally the government of Saudi Arabia has just really
outdone itself. It's brought in a mobile that Donald's food
truck for Trump's visit. The Foo food truck has been
parked up near the media hub where the journalists covering
the trip of being hosted. And while we know the
President loves a little bit of meckers, he doesn't appear
to have made much use of it.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Just years International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace
of Mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Dan the Simson, US correspondence with US Now, Hello Dan, Hi, Heather? Yeah,
how much are you loving having him out of the country.
He's still making news.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
He's still making news.

Speaker 13 (18:35):
It doesn't matter and whatever he does, it focuses back
on him. I mean, you got to give the guy credit.
You know, it always comes back to making him look good.
And I had a feeling he was going to be
making news on this trip, and like you just said
on the world wires, he signed several new agreements with
Saudi Arabia today, which is interesting because I mean, they've
been listed as a terrorist regime since I think it
was nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighties, so you know, these

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senttions have been along time coming. And there's also concerns
here the other big stories this jet that they're proposing
to give that the president would use as a temporary
air force one right now, which people are saying, well,
that just comes out and shows that you can be
bought in this office publicly. I guess I should say,
because you know, I mean, we've been accusing politicians of

(19:20):
doing that for eons and eons, but this has really
gotten some pushback.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
And how has it gone down, this plan to lift
the sanctions on Syria.

Speaker 13 (19:30):
I think it's a little mixed. I mean, it's interesting
to hear the president say that that he doesn't like
permanent enemies, and then he thinks it's their time to shine.
But again, I think this is going to be something
that I don't think. I mean, it already is very
divisive down party lines at this point. And see will
anything come about of it? Maybe will his prayer, will

(19:53):
his successor reverse this? Possibly we'll have to see. You know,
who's who's in office in three and a half years.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Is he to go to that meeting with Zelenski and
Posian I don't know.

Speaker 13 (20:05):
There's been a lot of talk about that back and
forth at this point in time. It would certainly be
interesting to have the three of them in that same room,
But It's just really hard to see Putin getting together
with anybody, you know, besides Donald Trump at this point
in time. I mean, he might get together with Selenski,
but the three of them together, boy, now that would
be a that would be a story worth covering.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Hey, listen, So what are the chances that these Menindi's
brothers actually get outsoltely?

Speaker 13 (20:30):
You know what are They're in their late fifties, I think,
I mean, there's there's a chance. There has to be
a decision by next month, I believe to hold a
hearing on this. And a judge today basically resentenced them
to fifty years to life in prison, which automatically makes
them eligible to go before this parole board. And I
mean there's been a lot of back and forth. I mean,

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both apologize in court for their actions. Again, they talked
about their hopes. They said that we want to work
with sex abuse victims. We want to help those who
have been incarcerated that have been given a second chants
outside the prison system. But I mean there's still a
lot of people that hold grudges against them, you know,
murdering their their their parents. Despite them saying that they
were you know, sexually abused as kids, and this is

(21:11):
the reason why. But there are also other people that
are coming forward that we hadn't heard from before right
now saying, you know what these guys have done their time.
They deserve to be free.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Now talk to me about this book that has some
allegations about the attempts that were made to hide Biden
kind of slipping further and further away.

Speaker 14 (21:26):
What do we know?

Speaker 13 (21:28):
I mean, I got to I got to tell you
how the I mean, we've heard a lot of this
stuff before. What we haven't, or at least I haven't heard,
was the fact that they were they wanted him in
a wheelchair, which is I think one of the most
notable disclosures.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Was in the wheelchair? Was it because he kept fo.

Speaker 13 (21:45):
Yeah exactly, And they said.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
That's the opposite.

Speaker 13 (21:50):
I know, I know, and apparently I mean it's again
I think it goes back to that close circle, including
his wife. But but they said, well, we can't have
him in a wheel chair before the election, but we
do have a plan to have him in a wheelchair
after he got elected. If he got elected.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yes, Wow, why did he have to be in a wheelchair.

Speaker 13 (22:13):
Just because of his his well not just his cognitive
but his physical disabilities. I mean, they were saying that
the evidence of aging was just overwhelming right there. I mean,
he didn't even recognize George Clooney at a fundraiser that
Clooney was hosting for or allegendly didn't recognize him for
you know, for and he was one of his closest
Hollywood friends. And then they did this interview, the president

(22:36):
and his wife on the view a couple of weeks back,
pushing back on all these suggestions that he had this
cognitive decline but honestly had this. This has been one
of the worst political secrets in political circles for several years.
And I think Biden and his wife would go to
their graves denying that he wasn't up for the job
or should have been pulled out of the race sooner.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Well, it was clear, though, wasn't that?

Speaker 12 (22:56):
Hy Dan?

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Thank you? I really appreciated Dan Mitchinson US correspond well, hither,
I cannot wait to hear innovative ways the thieve and
Greens will spend other people's money. Will allow me first
to tell you how they're going to take your money.
So the first plan in their alternative bourget budget is
a two point five percent tax on wealth over two
million dollars. Now what that is basically, so that's net

(23:19):
net assets. So let's say you own a property and
this is not like a remarkable thing in Auckland and
Central Auckland. Let's say you own a property worth two
point five million and your mortgage is half a million.
Then your net assets obviously you know two million. They're
going to start taxing that two and a half percent.

(23:40):
It's two and a half percent per person. So well
it's two and a half. It's two million per person.
So if you're a couple, you get four million before
they start taxing. If you're a solo mum, that coming
for you two million before they start taxing you. The
thirty nine percent tax rate that we currently have will
now kick in much earlier. At one hundred and twenty
thousand dollars. There will be a forty five percent tax
rate which will now cack at one hundred and eighty

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thousand dollars. The company's tax rate will be lifted to
thirty three percent. There will be a private jet tax
of five percent per person. So you've got a jet
with twelve of your friends on at flying to Auckland.
That's a sixty thousand tax right there. They're going to
double the minerals royalty as well. There will also be
an inheritance tax of thirty three percent, which will apply
to significant gifts and inheritance received over an accumulated lifetime

(24:24):
threshold of one million dollars, similar to Ireland's capital acquisitions tax.
I feel like you know what I reckon. They had
a lot of fun putting this budget together, Like I
can just this is the kind of fun thing. It
it's kind of fun thing that you would have done
in politics one oh one when you're at university, you know,
go around to your Maiz's house, smoke a giant bong,

(24:44):
drink some RTDs and write your dream budget. Except most
of us at university would have just you know, thrown
it away when we grew up and moved out of
that flat. They published it at the Greens sixteen away
from five.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
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Speaker 3 (25:02):
Jason wolves up political editors with me.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Now, hey, Jason, hey, have are you going to trash
me for twenty minutes after I've finished my cross with
you today? Or is that only a yesterday thing.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Oh have you been have you been feeling sore about it?

Speaker 5 (25:13):
This whole saw?

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
I'm not even.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Finished with you. You wait until six thirty when I'm
going to rip into you again.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
I wait with baited breath, and I'm sure you're gonna
let me come back on to have my right reply.

Speaker 14 (25:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
No, absolutely not. You didn't you get your slot at
this time? And even then you should be lucky that
you've got it. Jason Thanky, Hey, tell me what happened
when she said the word, because it sounded like it
went completely silent.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
I'll tell you what. The air from the room just evaporated,
because it is the first time that we've heard any
MP in the house say the word. And that's the
sea word, and you know the word that I'm talking about.
The air just evaporated from the room. And I was
up in the house watching everybody just kind of pulled
back a little bit because they couldn't believe that it happened.
That was apart from the act MPs that obviously knew

(25:59):
that it was going to go how it was going
to go down. And I was told by my colleagues
down here who were in the corridor of the Press
Gallery offices, that you heard sort of the ripple throughout
the entire corridor of people that were watching on Parliament TV.
And it was almost like the air had been taken
away down here as well. But it was one heck
and sorry, one heck of an afternoon because it started

(26:22):
with jan Toinetti for god knows what reason decided to
ask about that Andrea Vance Sunday Star Times piece over
the weekend. Why I don't know, haven't listened to how
it went down in the house.

Speaker 15 (26:35):
Does she agree with Andrea Vance who said about the
Equal Pay Amendment bill quote, it is a curious feminist moment,
isn't it. Six skill bosses, Willis who hyped squad, Judith Collins,
Eric Stanford, Louise Uston, Nikola Gregg and Brook Van Velden
all united in a historic act of economic backhanding other women.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
Quote.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
So when you hear it like that, it's very and
you're wondering why Labor's dredging this back up because it's
going to backfire on them, And oh boy did it.
After some back and forth that was about whether or
not Brooke was allowed to answer the part of the
question she hit back with the speaker with this.

Speaker 7 (27:15):
Brooklyn, mister speaker, I'm a strong woman, and I can
speak for myself.

Speaker 12 (27:19):
Absolutely, that's good and you only get to do that,
and so.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
You can hear the applause in the background, and you
know what, good for brook So after some more back
and forth, she got the opportunity to respond, and hear
she did.

Speaker 7 (27:32):
And I do not agree with the clearly gendered and
patronizing language that Andrea Advance used to reduce senior cabinet
ministers to girl busses, height squads, references.

Speaker 14 (27:46):
To girl math and.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
Making sure I had the right clip there. That could
have been a disaster. But obviously, as I said, so fine.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
It's fine nowadays if the media use that word, don't you.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Know what apparently it is. But after question time here's
what she told reporters.

Speaker 7 (27:59):
We should not need to face misogynistic abuse. And I've
been standing up for myself and for other female senior members.

Speaker 14 (28:07):
Of this cabinet.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
Now, despite all of this going on, Labor Leader Chris
Hopkins has still yet to weigh in on the language
used on that column and say anything negative about.

Speaker 16 (28:16):
It at all.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
That I'm not going to criticize the editorial decisions of newspapers.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
They often newspapers often publish things I disagree with, and
that's the nature of democracy.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
We live in a free country.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
We live in a country of free speech.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
So I think the labor's absolutely butchered it today. I
can't believe how badly this is backfight on them.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
It's right as a shocker. Hey, and what about the Greens.
What's your favorite thing in their absolutely nutty unicorn budget?

Speaker 4 (28:42):
How much time do you have? Let me count the
reasons I reckon.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
The jet tax is the favorite.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
The jet tax is good, which is a five thousand tax,
five thousand per person tax here and then five thousand
per person when you leave as well. Listen, this is
not going to happen. Eighty eight billion dollars worth of
d taxes, as well as taking the government's debt fifty
three point eight percent of GDP currently around forty percent.
It's a lot of money.

Speaker 12 (29:04):
Now.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
I'll tell you what my favorite thing about today was
listening to the government parties react to this, because they
were clearly having quite a lot of fun. Have listened
to Seymour.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Look, this is just left wing trump Ism.

Speaker 17 (29:16):
It's South Pacific populism, which says your problems are caused
by this success. We're going to pull them down in
order to solve your problems.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Chris Luxon wasn't very happy either. Oh, it's actually clown
show economics is what it is.

Speaker 10 (29:28):
I mean, it's an absolute circus.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
And of course we had Winston Raymond Peters.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
Well, I got the manifesto by Clay Marx and Marama Ingles.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
And so at that point he pulled out a copy
of the Greens policy and on the front was replaced
with a big red page with a hammer and stickle
on the front of it. So he's had a fun
day as Winston.

Speaker 12 (29:48):
Oh we all.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Hey, by the way, quickly, do you want to tell
everybody what you text me last night?

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Ah? Yes I did, I said Heather. I am the
chair of the press gallery and if I so choose,
I can bar you from the budgets. Stop talking so
much trash about me and my opinion, and I stand
by it. Heather, who's really a charge here?

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, thank you for that, Jason, appreciate it.
Just you go and own that. See that's threatening behavior
coming out of Welling to buy everybody of late Jason
Wall's political editor here at Newstalk zbaight away from five.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast, is.

Speaker 18 (30:22):
This the coming of age of our super fund set
up to ultimately fund our superannuation requirements? Will be making
our first withdrawal in twenty twenty eight. Finance Minister Nikola Willis.

Speaker 19 (30:30):
We've all talked for several years about at a certain
point the cost of superannuation will get very high and
then we'll need super fun to help.

Speaker 16 (30:37):
When now, at that.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Point does it solve the problem long term?

Speaker 15 (30:40):
Well, it helps offset the costs of New Zealand superannuation.

Speaker 10 (30:43):
Yeah, but in what in its golden moments?

Speaker 18 (30:47):
What percentage will it offset?

Speaker 14 (30:48):
So it's only going to be about twenty percent of
the total.

Speaker 18 (30:51):
Cost jeez, So we haven't extinguished the debate as to
whether we need to retire older yet. Back tomorrow at
six am the mic hosking Breakfast with the rain drove
of news Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, poor with Jason Walls. He's taking this hardy Why
because now he said he's going to listen at six
thirty as well to find out how we're going to
trash him there. Why we're doing this again at six
thirty is that it now turns out that the taxpayer
union is threatening legal action if they're not let into
the budget lock up. They have written to Treasury they
say if they don't get let in for next Thursday,

(31:24):
they're going to be taking a judicial review. And we've
also discovered that there is another outfit who you would
expect would be allowed into the budget lockout because they're
so innocuous. Infrastructure New Zealand No not allowed in. So
we'll talk to Nick Legan about that after six thirty.
Also in Auckland, this business with the museum is turning
into quite a big problem with the asbestos. The Deputy
Mayor Desley Simpson is getting a briefing right now. She's

(31:45):
going to have a chat to us. At quarter past five.
Last night, the semi finals of Eurovision and the country
to beat is Sweden again. They've won it seven times,
but didn't they produce Abba at the Eurovision. Yeah, they're
gonna win it again. They've got a band called Kaj.

(32:05):
They've got a song called Barah Bada Busto play it
ants welly call me Sonar.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
I could get into that.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
It's kind of like that kind of Ace of Place
nineties five about it doesn't it anyway? So yeah, you
heard them say solna, because of course they're from Sweden.
That's what they do is walk around going, oh look
so na sona. It is a hymn to a sauna.
And it is three of them who are comedic trio,
and it looks like like they're taking the mickey. It's

(32:43):
got all the stuff in the video that you would
expect from Sweden. You have got the woods, you've got
the cabin, you've got the sauna. Anyway, Tauna, have you
got some more of an ants?

Speaker 6 (32:53):
Here?

Speaker 14 (32:53):
You go enjoy.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Digging through the spin spins to find the real story going.
It's Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New Zealand. Let's
get connected news talks.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
That'd be hey, good afternoon. The Greens have revealed their
alternative budget. It's full of new taxes. There's a wealth tax,
a jet tax and inheritance tax, to new income tax rates,
a higher companies tax, and it's full of freebies. Free
GP visits, free annual dental health checkups, free basic dental care,
free childcare for kids as young as six months. Chloe
Swarbrick is the Green Party co leader with us. Now, Hey, Chloe, Chloe,

(33:59):
why do you waste your time with crap like this
is not going to happen.

Speaker 19 (34:03):
The point here is to set the agenda and to
show New Zealander is the kind of country that we
actually can have if we want to fight for it,
and just actually on your point around taxes and what
we're deciding to spend them on, I think we should
just take a step back and reflect on the reality
that very few people individually have the resources to build
schools or hospitals, or actually even to pay for the
real cost of eighteen years worth of education or for

(34:25):
a loved one's cancer treatment.

Speaker 14 (34:26):
That is why we pull our.

Speaker 19 (34:27):
Resource resources together through this thing that we call tax
so that we can build and own things together, which
would be very difficult for almost any of us to
do alone. That's the point of being Zealand.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
In order to do what you want to do and
give freebes to everybody, you're going to be taxing nurses,
aren't you seenior nurses at thirty nine percent? Is that
a good idea?

Speaker 19 (34:46):
We are, through our tax changes, proposing that ninety one
percent of the population will pay lower income tax and
I'd encourage everybody to go on to our online calculator
to see how these tax changes would make them better off.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
But also so you can't tell me that senior nurse
is owning enough money as it is right now. Now
you want to whack greater tacks on them.

Speaker 19 (35:06):
The point that we're making here is that we can
have a fair attack system and in life care with you,
we can fund the services that all New Zealanders ultimately
rely on. Nurses, firefighters, regular New Zealanders all need to
go to the GP.

Speaker 14 (35:21):
The GP we are saying should be free.

Speaker 19 (35:24):
Families should be able to send their kids to high
quality early childhood education for free. We should be able
to have freed dentistry, and we should all be able
to have a stable climate that we are passing on
to future generations. These are the things that are possible
if we're grown ups about the issues that we are
facing as a country. And yes it is going to
take serious investment, Yes we are going to have to

(35:44):
pay for it, but this is the reality of the
situation and the Greens are the only party with the
backbone willing to confront it.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
You're wanting to impose a wealth tax of two and
a half percent on property on net assets of two million.
Right now, you realize that that is going to get
hatch families in Auckland because there will be people in
Auckland who have a house worth two million and no
mortgage on it.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (36:07):
So I want to be clear about us. This is
a tax on individual net wealth over two million at
a rate of two point five percent, So for a
couple that would be over four millions.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
And what you're doing, Chloe, listened to yourself? What are
you doing? Is you're saying, listen, as long as you
stay with your drop kick husband, you won't get taxed.
But the minute you become a solo mum and stay
in that house, we're coming for you.

Speaker 19 (36:30):
What I'm saying here, though, is that through it, I
have thought that through you Okay with that?

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Are you okay with a mum staying in a house
in Auckland as a solo mum suddenly gets pinged because
she decides to break up with her husband.

Speaker 19 (36:43):
I think that unfortunately, oftentimes what should be quite rational
and evidence based discussions about the tax system end up
being taken to these extremes and.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Money Chloe it's our hard earned money.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's emotional for us.

Speaker 19 (36:57):
I hear you on that, and that's precisely why we
need to have a rational debate about it. Absolutely, people
can talk about their lived experiences with these things, but
that also needs to reflect. These conversations also need to
reflect the fact that our health system is crumbling, our
infrastructure is falling apart, and all of that is as
a result of decades of under investment from successive government.
I tell you, all of us live in the society

(37:19):
and we can invest in it.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
The sooner that you guys realize that emotions are tied
up in politics, that the faster you'll actually start putting
out stuff that actually makes sense. You realize that, you
realize that when you put nonsense like this out, it
actually makes the chances of the left getting back into
government much lower because no one wants to elect a
labor party. That's bolden to you people.

Speaker 19 (37:40):
Us people being the people who are putting the solutions
on the table for the bigger But it's natty, it's naughty.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
We are now rational people who own assets don't want
to vote for this stuff. Therefore, you make chances of
left wing government lower if.

Speaker 19 (37:54):
I can bring you back down to earth on this.
So I stood on street corners in Auckland Central during
the twenty twenty election. Clinn CenTra, of course, is a suburb.
Is an electorate that has suburbs which contain multimillion dollar properties.
And I stood on street corners in those environments, in
Ponsomby and Saint Mary's Bay and otherwise, and I spoke
to people about the reality of what the wealth tax

(38:15):
would actually mean. And yes, it does mean that those
who hold that amount of wealth are going to be
captured by that wealth tax. But the trade off that
we get for that investment is that we have the
opportunity to end homelessness and poverty in this country. We
have the opportunity to cand food and security.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
That is never going to happen. And you know that
this is just nonsense, the idea that we can end
poverty and homelessness ebitt.

Speaker 19 (38:38):
We took the approach after the World Wars and the
Great Depression to invest in public education, public health care,
public housing, and the public safety net, all of which
produced the decades followings and were paid for, I might add,
by higher taxes on those who had profited handsomely during
a time of hardj it for many that created a
period by which even those who are having a hard

(38:59):
time were able to participate in society and get the
necessary social mobility so that they could live a good
life in the future. This is actually about ensuring that
all New Zealanders get a fair go, and I think
that's pretty common sense.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Chloe, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you,
Chloe Swarbrick. Green Party co leader.

Speaker 10 (39:16):
Heather do for Cee Ellen.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah to Brook van Valden, workplace minister who this afternoon
hit back at misogynistic attacks against her and other female ministers,
and I.

Speaker 7 (39:24):
Do not agree with the clearly gendered and patronizing language
that Andrea Advance used to reduce senior cabinet ministers to
girl bosses, height squads, references to girl math.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
And yep, sea word in the house after Labor's Jantinetti
asked her if she agreed with the now infamous Colin
Brook van Walden is with us? Now, Hey Brook, Hey ever,
you obviously wanted to say the sea word, isn't there?

Speaker 7 (39:53):
Well, Look, the main point that I was trying to
raise this afternoon is, you know, Labor intentionally brought what
is a very misogynous article to the debating chamber to
make pointed attacks at the government. And I wanted to
stand up for myself and stand up for all of
the other female cabinet ministers that it's not okay that
we have misogynistic abuse and it's not okay that it

(40:15):
was brought into the chamber. So I thought, let's hold
up a mirror here to Labor to show exactly what
they are actually bringing to the chamber.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Listen, I'll tell you what I found surprising in the
last few days is how quick Labor were to attack
people who had any the triol directed at just Cindadun
or any of their side, but how silent they are
on this. And this is the worst kind of thing
you can say about a woman. Are you surprised?

Speaker 7 (40:39):
I am surprised because I would hope that we're better
than this. You know, it doesn't matter who it is
in Parliament. I would never support them having, you know,
misogynistic slurs thrown around or intentionally try to bring that
into the debating chamber. You know, for me, we should
have basic respect and decorum for every member of Parliament. Also,

(41:01):
I think we have a role as leaders in our
country to set an example, and I'm really disappointed that
that doesn't go across all of Parliament. You think of
all of the young women who could have potentially been
reading that article and thinking, well, maybe I don't actually
want to stand for parliament, maybe I don't want to
be a senior woman if this is what it means.

(41:22):
And so I'm heading back and saying, look, it's not acceptable.
You know, we have strong women in our cabinet. They're
doing hard work and we shouldn't be subjected to the subuse.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Brook, thank you very much for talking to us. Appreciate
at Brook van Valden Workplace Relations Minister quarter past five. Hey,
now get ready to get yourself by the phone or
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(42:40):
tax could be so would be so easy to avoid.
Just distribute to the children. Early David the thought of
that too. There's an inheritance tax and it accumulates through
your life. So I'm going to tax that at thirty
three percent. Heather read the wealth tax proposal. What about
the situation of a widow in an expensive mortgage freehouse
and no income other than supers, you'll have to sell
up to pay the tax. Yeah, but it's the right
thing to do, and it's about fairness, isn't it. Nineteen

(43:03):
past five now Maris Beestos has been discovered in Auckland's
War Memorial Museum. The site has been shut since Saturday,
with staff working from home. Auckland Deputy Mayor Desley Simpson
has had a briefing this afternoon.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
Is with us.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Now, Hey, Desley, gid A, Heather, how are you? I'm
very well, thank you. Do we know when it's going
to open? Look, no, we don't.

Speaker 20 (43:22):
I think the museum and staff and the board are
doing the right thing keeping it closed, putting the health
and safety of both Aucklanders and visitors first. So I
think if we go back and look what happened, it
was first found when they were looking at preparatory work
around upgrading the Malorti Court.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
And then what.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Happens is the way you test.

Speaker 20 (43:47):
They found us bestos, and the way you test is
you take it from the point that it's found and
you move out, like an onion, further out. And then
they found it in the Pacific Galleries, which was adjacent
to the Maori Court. That wasn't too much of a
problem because I could close both those areas off and
still keep the museum open. But then they found it

(44:07):
in the Grand Foyer, which was next to the Pacific Galleries,
and the problem there was it was part of the
fire and emergency exit. So they managed to find a
fire engineer, thank you whoever that was, who worked all
over the weekend and signed off a secondary evacuation plan
because the backup to getting out from the Grand Foyer

(44:31):
was through the two courts that have been that had
been the Pacific Galleries of the Mai Court, right, so
you had to find another one. So that's one problem
they've got. The second problem they've got is getting rid
of it, and of course they're working under a licensed asbestos.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Assessor to actually get rid of it.

Speaker 20 (44:49):
And I want to just say really clearly, there is
no evidence of it being airborne. And I think that's
really important, Heather, because you know, the way the air
conditioning works at the museum is very complex. On one stage,
they've got to keep you know, air conditioning for people,
but actually they have to have humidity levels et cetera.
For the obviously the tongue and the exhibitions and the

(45:12):
really old artifacts that they have there. So it's really
good that it hasn't been found to be airborne based
on all their testing, but it has gathered on sort
of high shelves and mentals and stuff like that.

Speaker 10 (45:24):
Thanks.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Thanks for the detail, Disley. What did you support the
co governance and the White tarkeetys?

Speaker 20 (45:31):
I think I supported it going out for consultation asking
people what they thought.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Why did you just laugh about that? Is this getting awkward?

Speaker 6 (45:40):
Well?

Speaker 20 (45:40):
No, I thought we were talking about the museum. That's
also I was just trying to remember that what I've done.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Okay, Yeah, And also are you running for mayor?

Speaker 20 (45:48):
I will make a call on that at the end
of the month or.

Speaker 10 (45:51):
At least one weekend.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
You know already tell us no, I'm not going to
tell you. That's a yes, isn't it. I'm not going
to I'm not going to tell you. Thanks Dixley appreciated.
Disney Simpson, TV, Mayor of Auckland, read between the lines.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Informed inside into today's issues. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand, Let's get connected news talks, they'd.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Be whipango Trobunal is holding an urgent hearing today into
the Regulatory Standards Bill. We're going to talk about that
after the news. It's five twenty five.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Look, I can't believe that we've had two counselors on
the show in the last two days, both happy to
admit that they voted for something without actually knowing what
they voted for, and even worse, one of them didn't
even know that they'd voted for it. Now, what I'm
obviously talking about is what I just spoke to Disney
Simpson about, which is the co governance and the white
Targeted Rangers thing where Auckland Council wants to get Manafino
were involved in them. They make decisions together.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
Now.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Wayne Brown told us when we asked him that he
hadn't actually supported that, but we told him, well, no,
actually you did support you voted for it, and oh said,
oh well no. What happened was I left it to
Kin Turner to decide because I had more important things
to do, like a meeting in Saint Mary's base. And
then we got Ken Turner on the show yesterday and
Ken told us, yeah, he did vote for it, but

(47:08):
he didn't know what he was voting for, and now
he regrets voting for it now. To be honest with you,
I'm not entirely sure that I believe these two guys,
because there's a part of me that wonders if they
did actually know what they were voting for. But now
they're just making excuses because this has got national attention
and it's proven controversial. And the reason I'm not sure
I believe them is because I don't actually want to
believe that. We've got two elected officials, one of them

(47:31):
being the mayor, who cannot concentrate long enough to know
what they're voting for in council meetings. But either way,
whether it's true or not, would you admit that publicly?
Would you actually admit that publicly if you were in
their position. Voters already have so little regard for local
government they hardly even turn up to vote. This is
not going to help it. And this is a mayor
who is constantly telling us that he wants to be
taken seriously by central government because he's a mayor of

(47:52):
two million people, and yet he's almost proud of the
fact that he hasn't got a clue what's going on
in the city of two million people. Now, I'm sorry
to say this because actually I don't hate what Wayne
Brown does, and Ken Turner seems like an awfully nice bloke.
But this says a lot about the respect that these
two have for their jobs and the rate payers who
put them there. They clearly think we don't care if
they scive off and then admit to us that they've

(48:14):
been doing it. Heather do for see Allen Heither. Maybe Chloe,
when quoting post war facts, needs to know that back
then the whole population we're willing to work and contribute
to society, not like now. Very good point actually here
that those who work hard and pay higher attacks and
not charities for simple social problems. Chloe are simple in
her thinking here. The New Zealand has so few successful businesses.
Now the Green's policies will simply empty the place. It's

(48:36):
a fair point, actually, Wayne. But what they'll do is
they'll empty the place. But then they'll charge you that
jet tax on your way out, and you can pay
us some more money. Right, why tongue you tribuneal next
News took zb.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
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drive home. It's Heather U plus Ellen drive with one
New Zealand let's get connected news talks. It'd be if
you're feeling down.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
We're so un standing by Stephen Joyce, former National Party
Cabinet ministers with us after six. I'll explain why to
you shortly. Winston Peters has reacted to the sea bomb
being dropped in Parliament.

Speaker 10 (49:25):
But I've about you.

Speaker 8 (49:26):
But I mean, I've seen some bad times in this house,
but this is one of the lowest I've ever seen.
When you go to that sort of tandem language, nothing
is beneath you after that.

Speaker 9 (49:36):
Is it.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
It's not a surprise Winston doesn't like it. He's got
to call him about him. It's twenty four away from.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Six, Heather duplic Ellen.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
The White Hounguy Tribunal is holding an urgent inquiry today
on David Seymour's Regulatory Standards Bill. More than eighteen thousand
people have signed onto acclaim against the bill, saying that
if it has passed, it will sideline the Treaty of
White Tonguey.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
Helmut Modlick is NATI tour chief executive and he's with
us right now. Helmet, Yeah, very good. Thank you, Hetther
you submitted as well. What was your submission?

Speaker 11 (50:06):
Yeah, basically we express the same sentiment that's coming from
everybody else that this is a constitution, a change to
our constitution arrangements by stealth that will have impact on
our treaty settlement. And yeah, we would have appreciated being
asked about that before it was put into the process

(50:28):
for moving it into law.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Tell me if I've got this right. Predominantly, the problem
with this is that the Regulatory Standards Bill does not
mention the Treaty of white Tongey, but every piece of
legislation that has written after it has passed would have
to be assessed against it like we do with the
Bill of Rights and to see whether it complies with
the Regulatory Standards Act as it would then be. And

(50:50):
your guys problem with it, people who don't like it,
is because it doesn't mention the treaty. Therefore the treaty
becomes less important, is that right?

Speaker 11 (50:57):
Yeah, you've got to the heart of it.

Speaker 6 (50:59):
And I just read a little bit.

Speaker 11 (51:00):
So currently there are forty acts that contain references to
the principles of the Treaty and one hundred and ninety
two acts or pieces of legislation that also explicitly reference
the Treaty of White Tongue. Now, those laws are the
main mechanisms by which and i'll spe speak specifically about
an anti tour and the main mechanisms by which we

(51:22):
ensure that a range of rights that were actually specified
in our treaty settlement are actually able to be given
effect through those legislations. So if those if the Regulatory
Standards Board which will be established under this bill is
set up, it will have the power to actually remove

(51:43):
as many, some or all of those references to titidity
in those various acts, and so we will actually have
a significantly diminished capacity to ensure the meeting of our
treaty settlement on the first place and the second place
going forward is what you said. So that pretty much
captures the range of concerns.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Isn't this though, the kind of urgent hearing that is
causing people to get frustrated with the Whitepania Tribunal and
want to review into it because this it's set up
to investigate breaches of the treaty, But there is no
breach of the treaty because the bill hasn't been passed.

Speaker 11 (52:19):
Yes, so that's a bit of a circular argument there.
So the Tribunal is unable to it's not it has
no jurisdiction over any law once the government has actually
passed it. So, but what's happened here because the government
hasn't actually followed a process where the treaty partner hasn't

(52:40):
been engaged, but there's been no community information sharing, there
actually is no reasonable process for the Tribunal or EWE
first to actually get site on what's proposed and the
in form a view. Instead, what the Crown is doing
here is rushing it through and in fact, and they've
been a bit naughty big where they've actually truncated the

(53:01):
time frame, rushing it through so that it can quickly
get to the phase where the Tribunal has no jurisdiction.
It's exactly what they did around Jacko Failder and it's removal.
They changed the time frame so that the Tribunal was
actually unable to make a finding and so that that's
really why, that's really what's going on. It's not a
fault of the Tribunal, it's the government.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
All right, Hey, listen to helmet as always, thank you
very much for your time. Helmet modeling, chief executive at
NATI toy Ewe.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find You're
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Speaker 3 (53:34):
It's coming up twenty away from six and with us
on the huddle we have David Farreh of Kiwi Blog
and Curia and Jack Tame of Q and A and
host of Saturday mornings on Zbhi. Are you too, David?
Have you had a look at the Greens budget and
out of ten, how awesome is it?

Speaker 16 (53:49):
I'd probably say an eighty eight for that's how much
billions of tax that they're wanting to do a pose
on people for if you work, if you save a
few die So No, not a big fan.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Yeah now Jack? Now, Jack, I know that normally you are,
you know, a little bit more sympathetic to the Greens
than I perhaps am. So how you're feeling about this
alternative budget?

Speaker 21 (54:13):
Well, I mean if Davis chose an eighty eight outen
thirty three, which I think is the new tax rate
for inheritance of a million dollars, I can see going
down super Well. I mean, look it's look, I find
it interesting that in an economy where we all agree
I think that New Zealand's got this kind of long

(54:34):
lasting productivity problem. Why you don't want to incentivize work,
like why you don't want to incentivize people to work
really hard and sometimes to have two jobs if needs be,
so that they can get ahead. And I don't think
that our tax system is perfectly balanced at the moment.
But one of the things that I think isn't right
is that at the moment income is taxed pretty keenly,

(54:55):
but other forms of human well revenue ant necessarily.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Have you made this you haven't, no, no.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
No, this this this is to say that I don't.
I don't.

Speaker 21 (55:05):
When I look at the Greens budget, it's like tax
everywhere basically is going up.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
So it's a tax that you're.

Speaker 21 (55:11):
Earning from from from from income, from working a job,
POYE is going up like it's across the board. And
I would have thought that they to make it slightly
more politically palatable. There might be some other payoffs where
they might say, Okay, if we are going to picture
wealth tax, or pitch an inheritance tax, or yes, a
private jet tax, all of these things, then we're going

(55:32):
to try and reduce taxes more substantially in some of
these other areas.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
But yeah, no tax switch. Hey David, do you ever
when you do polling with Curia, do you ever look
at the drag that the Greens have on labor, like
how how how much the Greens make it harder for
people to vote for labor.

Speaker 16 (55:51):
Yeah, we do look at that. It's really interesting. What
what we tend to do is we ask people what
do you think of these party leaders? And on the
center right, interesting national voters for some time of like
David Seymour, but really interesting is they really like Winston now?
But on the left, labor voters really don't like Tiparty

(56:11):
Mari leaders, and they're not that keen on the Green
leaders either. People mistake labor activists with labor voters. They're
very different people. And I actually think the biggest challenge
labor has gained into the election will be the Greens
at Tiparty mariy.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yes, I would agree with that.

Speaker 14 (56:29):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
And this makes worse, doesn't it, Jake?

Speaker 21 (56:31):
Well, Yeah, I mean I suppose like it's relatively a
relatively easy play for labor if.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
They really wanted to. I mean, they're gonna they're gonna.

Speaker 21 (56:38):
Get stuck in the ruling and rulling it out game
in the eighteen months leading up to the election, no
matter whether they want or otherwise. But I mean, can
we think of a of a major economic policy that
they've had in the past in any sort of government
that they've adopted from the Greens.

Speaker 6 (56:53):
I can't think of one of The.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Greens have never been this big, and that's the that's
the most relevant thing.

Speaker 10 (56:59):
What happens on.

Speaker 21 (57:00):
Yeah, I mean, by the nature of the Greens and
the way the party works, it's not like they have
any alternatives if they want to be in government rather
than going with Labor right, because they effectively automatically rule
that going with National which means they have absolutely no
bargaining chips. So Labor, if it ever came to a negotiation,
could say, right, you can be with us, you can

(57:21):
accept all of our economic policy, or you can just
spend another.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Three the important and you're right. But the important thing
is that Labour needs to say that before the election,
and not to the Greens. They need to say to voters.
They need to say this Rainbow and Unicorn's budget that
we just got from the Greens is crap. None of
it's ever happening. Don't worry about it. That's what they
need to do.

Speaker 6 (57:39):
Yeah, sorry, David.

Speaker 16 (57:42):
I was going to say that works when you're really
big party of government, when you're at forty two, forty
three percent, they get two ministers outside kidnet. But when
it's a three way coalition and all the Poles say that's.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
You there?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Am I stuck with you?

Speaker 12 (58:01):
Jack?

Speaker 6 (58:02):
Yeah? Well I don't frame it like that, thank you.
I just wondered. I thought maybe David had had dropped
a certain word and that we'd all been cut off in.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
And was like, enough of that, Let's take this.

Speaker 9 (58:15):
David.

Speaker 21 (58:15):
Yeah, I mean to David's point, though, he's totally right,
like you definitely have like the only way at the
moment the Poles suggest that labor or that that Chris
Sipkins might be the next prime minister is with a
three party coalition, right, So which which does change those
coalitions or support negotiation dynamics once again.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yeah, listen, we need to take a really quick break.
We'll come back quarter too.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
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Speaker 3 (58:44):
Right, you're back with the Huddle, David, listen, is this
the first time? Do you think that the sea bomb's
been dropped in Parliament?

Speaker 19 (58:51):
First time?

Speaker 6 (58:51):
On pair pass?

Speaker 16 (58:52):
John Carter many years ago tried to accuse Labor of
attempting a cunning and he misspoke and at top round
five minutes of the house to resume order.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
I was very careful myself there, not to.

Speaker 16 (59:08):
Speak from you, but yes, it is the only time
outside that I can recall having said that, possibly the
only time where you can just five the biggest newspaper
chain in New Zealand is going to run an article
that actually calls female ministers the sea word. Then having

(59:29):
one of those ministers slurred that way respond I think
is appropriate and it would have lost the powerful impact
if she had just said the sea word, because you
knew what the stuff article was meaning.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
The thing is why she did it, Jack was basically
to underscore the hypocrisy amongst the feminists on the left
who will come to the defense of women on their
side but not on the other side. She's got a
fair point, hasn't she.

Speaker 21 (01:00:00):
Well, I certainly think from Labour's perspective, it's baffling to me,
like totally puzzling why they would have brought the subject
down to the house like it's low hanging fruit. You
would have thought for Brook van Belden to immediately leap
upon it and say, ah, yes, okay, yes. The keen
feminists who also diligently defended Prime Minister Decinder r Dern

(01:00:20):
and you know, said that she was subject to the
most appalling sexism now not being so fourth right in
their defense of me.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
Funny how the tide turns. Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:00:29):
So I was totally baffled why a label would bring
it up.

Speaker 21 (01:00:32):
I mean, you know, obviously the minister did have an
option to reference said word without saying said word. I
agree with David that it probably wouldn't have had the
same impact and wouldn't be leading all the news sites
around the country.

Speaker 6 (01:00:46):
It wouldn't be doing a.

Speaker 21 (01:00:48):
Million views on YouTube and TikTok by midnight tonight. That
being said, yeah, I think Brook van veld knew exactly
what she was doing. And I suppose the hypocrisy message
can cut all ways, right, So you can say, yes,
the left being hypocritical by not standing up for her,
But you could say, well, Brook van Walden's being hypocritical
if she says that it's such an offensive term, then
why is she using in the mouse?

Speaker 16 (01:01:09):
I am beyond huddled but staggered that Labor chose to
reference that column and a question. They have meetings where
they discuss their questions and how they possibly thought. Oh,
let's ask the minister if they agree with a column.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Is it possibly because they have gone into a little
echo chamber of a whole bunch of people who think
the same, who are sharing it and going. Isn't this
wonderful that Andrea Vance said this? That's probably an explanation.

Speaker 16 (01:01:38):
That can only be the explanation. And we all know
that if whenever some random troll on social media uses
the seaweed that gets a politician stuff, runs article after
article decrine it, and here they run it in their
own column. And where are the feminists? Where's the National

(01:02:00):
Council of Woman, Where's the Human Rights Commission? Where's all
the feminist MP's and Labor and Green? They don't have
to say they like brockawn color. They just have to
say we hate their policy. But no politician should be
called the C word.

Speaker 21 (01:02:14):
I mean, and when you look at it, we're sorry
here that when you look at it from a like
from a strategic perspective in the house. I mean, you know,
Jantinini might say that, oh, I didn't actually ask if
Brook van Velden agreed with the use of that term.
The truth is the moment that any parliamentary question reference
that column in any way, she could have said, does
the minister agree with the use of the full stop

(01:02:34):
at the end of that column? And you just know
that was immediately going to leap upon.

Speaker 14 (01:02:39):
It, like it's so obvious.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
So yeah, there's totally definitely to me super politics.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Hey guys, thank you, it's always wonderful to talk to you.
That is David Farret and Jack came a huddle this seven.
It's coming up eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Four or away from six. Heather the Minister used the
word because she has now managed to drive the narrative
further away from her bill, which probably is true. Actually, David,
it's given her something of a it's given them quite
the little thing that they can talk about instead she
talking about the pay equity. Hither areur kids of a startup?
It exports about four million dollars annually. It has won
multiple awards and exports to some of the world's most

(01:03:20):
famous companies. It's not yet making a profit, as it
has just focused on growth, just like zero and rocket
Lab have. If required to pay two point five percent
on an estimated value, they would be forced to leave
New Zealand for a more favorable tax regime or close
the business. Yep, with the jet tax on the way out.
Thank you, Rosie. That is how That is how it
works in rainbows and unicorns and smoke big bongs land. Now,

(01:03:43):
there is a report out today which recommends that we
roll out a campaign of free vaccinations to pensioners. So
we give them the flu jab, the shingles JAB and
the RSV JAB for free because there are economic benefits
from doing that. We're gonna have a chat to Steven
Joyce about because Stephen Joyce's linked his economic credibility to
backing up this report. He's going to be with us
after six o'clock. Did you know that there is a

(01:04:05):
Kiwi Anglican reverend who's been selected to help choose the
new Archbishop of Canterbury. There is only about twenty of
them worldwide who it's like a committee of twenty people,
and I think five of them are international appointments. And
our bloke is one of the international appointments. It is
Reverend Canon Isaac Beach from ted Tired Arter Tea. And

(01:04:29):
the interesting thing about Reverend Beach is that he runs
a hemp umb on the side. Ay, how cool is that?
Good luck mate, good luck pick in that person. Now
seems like everybody's picking heads of churches at the moment,
aren't they.

Speaker 14 (01:04:45):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
I want to talk about the dogs, okay, because you
know if you listen to the show regularly that I
am starting to get quite My nick is quite in
a twist about roaming dogs. There was a sentence that
was handed down today to the owner of two dogs
that attacked a two year old couple. I think it
was a couple of years ago, could have been last year,

(01:05:07):
but anyway, it was March. I think it might have
been March last year. Happened in Auckland. Toddler two years old,
playing in his front yard, not doing anything. He's not
out there. Is not his parents' fault. It's not his fault.
He didn't do anything. He was literally playing in his
front yard and two American bulldogs roamed onto his property
from a neighboring property and started mauling him. Mom sees
what's going on, gets out there, lifts the little boy

(01:05:29):
up as high as she can to try to get
him out of the way. The dogs dogs just keep
on attacking because they go in for it. Owners, relatives
or somebody else related to the owners had to come
and pull the dogs off the kid, and only at
that point did they stop mauling. This little boy has
been left with huge injuries, serious injuries to his neck
and his head, fractured shoulder blade, multiple surgeries, prolonged hospital

(01:05:51):
state like for a two year old and a two
year old's parents. That is horrific to have to go
through that kind of the thing. Fortunately the dogs were
killed as they should have been done on any day
of the week having done anything like that. But the
owner just got sentenced today one hundred and fifty hours
of community working a two thousand dollar fine. Didn't I

(01:06:14):
asking for a friend, obviously, because it seems to me
your dog's mate were roaming because you were crap at
being their owner, and now you've only got yourself a
little bit of a community sentence and just a little
bit of a fine. Good thing. The dogs are dead,
but I just don't know if that's enough to put
the owners off just being so delinquent. What do you think,
Stephen Joyce?

Speaker 7 (01:06:32):
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Speaker 22 (01:06:51):
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the budget lock up and Gavin Gray's with us out
of the UK at seven past six Now Former Finance
Minister Stephen Joyce is backing a call for a comprehensive
vaccination program for pensioners. A new report has found that
a publicly funded VAX program for the flu, shingles and

(01:07:33):
RSV for people over the age of sixty five would
create an economic benefit of over one billion dollars over
four years. And Stephen Joyce's with us now, hoy Stephen,
Hello Heather.

Speaker 5 (01:07:43):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
I prefer the term older New Zealanders to pensioners.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Have you got your gold card already?

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Have you?

Speaker 14 (01:07:48):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
No, not yet, but I know people that have.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Yeah, it does you know what it feels like? It's
kicking in nowadays it's too young to call the sixty
five year old pensioners. But such as the truth.

Speaker 22 (01:07:59):
Now, well, I tried to fix that a while ago,
but I didn't have the right number of votes from
the right number of older people.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yeah, I can imagine which one now listen on this,
I mean, this seems perfectly reasonable, that makes sense. But
should we be skeptical about a report that's been commissioned
by GSK given that they provide all of these jabs.

Speaker 22 (01:08:20):
Oh look, I mean, obviously they've got an interest in
they're upfront about it. But I think the idea is
very valid, and I've got a reputable economic consultancy to
actually do the numbers about what's saved and in a
way that you know that obviously that they couldn't come
up with themselves. And it impressed me because I thought, well, actually,
that is quite a clever move. We've got a health

(01:08:42):
system not just here but all over the world. It's
completely under pressure all the time. Every government ends up
dipping a lot more money into it never seems to
meet the demand. We need some I think fresh thinking
about it. And so what attracted me to this was that, well,
hang on, that's we know about the benefit of vaccinations
to to children, the huge increase in life expectancy that

(01:09:03):
occurred as a result of that, and then you look
at it this one. It's actually just about as much
as a no brainer because you've got all these common
preventable diseases that older people get caught up with, and
they can make their other ailments worse, can prevent them
from doing work in the community and clogs up the
health system. So it seems like good ideamy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
What does it cost to save a billion dollars?

Speaker 22 (01:09:29):
It's a very good question, and it's in the report.
My answer the lather it's a couple of hundred million
over four years, and it depends on uptake. I mean,
they did their initial work on a sixty percent uptake,
which is roughly what it is now for the flu vaccine,
and effectively what it is is RSV plus the flu

(01:09:51):
plus plus shingles vaccine, and it's the idea is that
it's sixty five you've become eligible for those all three
of them, and if you did a public health campaign
alongside that, which was able to lift it to eighty percent,
it's thousands of doctors' visits no longer needed, GP visits,

(01:10:13):
a huge number of hospital visits not needed, and then
leaves the hospitals to focus in on the frankly, what
is the more serious and intractable diseases like cancer and
heart disease. So it seems to make quite a bit
of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Do you watch Parliament today?

Speaker 22 (01:10:30):
No, I didn't see parliament today. I am to in
parliament now, which is quite a spooky experience for somebody
who was there for so long and so intensely.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
But there we are.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
So have you caught up on the sea bomb being
dropped in parliament?

Speaker 22 (01:10:42):
I haven't caught up on that, but I am familiar
with the issue with the sea bomb in the media.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
What do you make of it?

Speaker 22 (01:10:48):
By the way, I don't think we need to lower
media or parliamentary standards anymore, would be my view. Long
enough and some words should be left out of the
public discourse. And I'm disappointed actually that it's happened, putting
a media hat on which I may have to do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
I was about to ask that, because you're obviously everybody's
loving the idea of you being the chair of ENDS
in me, do you reckon you'll you'll be pretty confident
you've got the votes.

Speaker 22 (01:11:17):
Well, I think I think everybody sort of got together
and decided, well, this is a this is a slate
that can work at the meeting that's coming up in
a couple of weeks, and we now have the required
number of directors for the required number of spots.

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
So I think that's a good, good step forward.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Are you going to basically, you know, look after your
favorite children being radio at the expense of here, like,
don't worry about the herald Stephen nobody. They get way
too much attention.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
That sounds that sounds like a pitch here. But I
can say what is that?

Speaker 22 (01:11:51):
Of course that is And of course I also think
he said, getting back to the subject of the interview,
I also think that the politicians should look really closely
at this opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Hey, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.
Steven Joy's former finance minister, who, by the way, has
been mooted as the chair of this company Ends and
Yas obviously owns newstalk ZB it's twelve past six. Now
mediation over the government sending those public servants back to
the office has failed, So this is going to go
to the RA.

Speaker 12 (01:12:17):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
This is if you don't remember this, this is the
case where the government said, if you're working from home
but you're in the public service and it's not explicit
in your contract that you should be working from home,
we expect you to get back in. The PSA said
absolutely not. That's not going to happen. They've gone to mediation,
it's failed, and it's now going to.

Speaker 14 (01:12:37):
Go to the RA.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
I think that personally, I personally feel and look, I
am biased on this because I think people need to
get their asses into the office and actually do some work.
Because I did not come down with the last shower,
and I know that if you're working from home, you're
sitting under your duvet watching Netflix and putting on the
washing machine. I know what's going on because I also
run a house. I'm also the executive manager of a

(01:13:00):
and I know what your priorities are going to be. Anyway,
I feel like, so just outlining my bias sare I
feel like the PSA are being bits of dicks about
this because It's not as if the guidelines are that harsh,
right the guideline, it's just new guidelines. And the guidelines
specifically just say working from home needs to be clearly
agreed to and for specific reasons, and that any arrangements

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should not compromise the performance of employees and of agencies.
That feels fair enough to me, Like, you can work
from home if it's not bad for your business, and
if you need to work from home, and if you
have agreed, you can't just work from home because you
feel like it on a Friday, do you know what
I mean? The ps that was like, now, we don't
agree to that. So that's why we are now at
the RA fourteen plus six.

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Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Talks en me coming up eighteen past six. Now Nik
at the Willis has been dropped the bread crumbs, hasn't
she when it comes to the budget, confirming today she
will be making some changes to Kiwi Saver, but wouldn't
say any more. Genative trainee is The Herald's Wellington Business editor.
Hey you knowate, Hey, Heather so It sounded like the
opposite of what I was expecting. I was expecting that
she was going to do some sort of means testing
and actually take things away from us when it came

(01:15:18):
to Kei Wei Saver. But now it sounds like she's
going to beef it up. What's going on?

Speaker 23 (01:15:22):
Well, no, I think you're right. I think Nikola Willis
will means test that five hundred and twenty dollars contribution
that the government gives you if you contribute a certain
amount to your Keii saver every year. That costs the
government about a billion dollars a year. It's a lot
of money. I wouldn't be surprised if the government means
tests that so that higher income earning people, perhaps people

(01:15:44):
earn more than say one hundred and eighty thousand dollars
a year, so that they don't get that payment. I
think she'll push on with that. This is just my guess,
But I did wonder because she she has said, look,
we want to boost people's Keiwi Saver balances, you know,
help them prepare for their retirements. So I thought, well, okay,
you want to boost you want to boost those, So.

Speaker 6 (01:16:04):
How do you do that?

Speaker 23 (01:16:06):
There are a few ways of doing that. Either we
as members contribute more, our employers contribute more, or the
government contributes more. I asked Simon Watts today the Revenue
Minister whether the government would consider cutting the tax that
employers pay on the contributions they make to our balances,

(01:16:27):
and he said no, So that that was you know,
if the government chose to cut that tax, that would
have it meant that here we say members would have
more money in their balances, you know, which would help
us in their retirements. I had wondered whether that would
have been a way that they could have boosted our balances,

(01:16:47):
but the Revenue Minister said no. So I'm playing we're
playing the rule and rule out game here. If they're
not going to cut the tax, they're going to means
test this contribution that the government makes, then how on
earth are our balance is going to rise? That only
leaves us with some options, and that's basically us putting

(01:17:08):
more money in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
What about the possibility of them means testing cutting off
the wealthiest people no government contribution, but then beefing up
the government contribution for the poorer people.

Speaker 23 (01:17:19):
Yeah, look, that's totally an option, and I haven't you know,
I have played the rule in a rule came with
the government, but I haven't gone to that length. But
that would make sense. You know, if you say you're
lower income, you get a larger government contribution, or even
you are self employed, which means you can't get an
employer's contribution contribution, so then maybe the government gives you

(01:17:40):
a larger contribution.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
I mean, it's clear the politics if you take it,
we take away with one hand, give with the other.
They're hardly going to compel people to put more of
their own money and are they in a cost of
living crisis? So we can rule that out.

Speaker 23 (01:17:52):
No, you know, I wouldn't rule that out. I think, well, well,
you know, we're guessing, but we desperately need to say
more for our retirements. In Australia, the contribution rate is
much higher. I wouldn't be surprised if the government said,
over time we're going to up that Yeah, yeah, rate
the minimum from three percent to four percent. Will it

(01:18:12):
go down well with people? I'm not too sure, but
I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule it out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Yeah, over time, I think is the key thing. Jennaa
as always, thank you so much. Jene Tostrainey, the heralds
Wellington Business editor got the credit card spending for the
month of April. Spending is going up very slowly though
so for the month of April only went up zero
point eight percent. Food is up, and this is the categories.
Food is up zero point five percent, hospitality zero point
two percent, durables like white bear zero point one percent.

(01:18:38):
They're all up. Car sales down almost three percent, fuel
down two percent, clothing down two percent. Would have expected, though,
that for the month of April had actually bounced higher
than it did at zero point eight percent, and that
is because we had the school holidays in April, we
had Easter Long weekend in April, we had an Zac
Long weekend in April. So, as I say slowly six

(01:18:58):
twenty two, if it's to do with.

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Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
That'd be twenty four pass six. Just to remind you,
we're going to be chatting to Infrastructure New Zealand after
the news after half pass because they've obviously been barred
from the budget day lock up. As well right now
though Jeremy Hutton Milford Acid Management is with us. Hey, Jeremy,
good evening hither So we've seen a complete round tripe
and performance on the inzet X and various global markets

(01:19:32):
since Trump's liberation Day. How's the INSIDEX market been going?

Speaker 24 (01:19:36):
Yeah, the INSIDEX has been going relatively well. It is
widely seen as a defensive market given the nature of
some of our larger companies that make up the index.
But starting with some numbers, so post Liberation Day on
April to second, the inside X fell about four and
a half percent over the five days where the market's

(01:19:56):
sold off heavily. The SMP and the tech heavy Nasdaq
fell around twelve percent over the same period, so New
Zealand did show some outperformance on the downside there. But
as you said before, they have done a full round
trip and markets have clawed back all of these losses
and some gains too. So the Nasdaq that's now up
eight percent since liberation Day, the SMP four percent, so

(01:20:21):
those markets have completely shrugged the tariffs off. And the
nz X too has had a good rebound. It's up
four percent, so it has been keeping up a little
bit on the upside too. But you know, it's fair
to say that the market assumptions at the moment are
pretty favorable, continuing sort of expecting, you know, the continuing
of easing of trade tensions and no slower global growth,

(01:20:41):
which maybe is a little bit tad ambitious at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
I mean huge turnarounds you, which is the point that
you've made in short short periods of time. Can you
actually pick where the turning points are?

Speaker 24 (01:20:54):
Yeah, It's extremely difficult, and to me, it just continues
to show how tricky it is trying to time the market,
especially given the volatility and some of the speeds of
the moves that we're seeing, and sentiment can turn really
bullish to max bearish in a very short space of time.
And Trump holding daily press conferences doesn't help with this.
But I think the best strategy as an investor is

(01:21:15):
just to think about your long term goals and try
and stick to that plan and chopping markets, try not
to panic or get any FOMO in both the buy
and the sellside.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Yeah, and we're talking about sale. When the market is
having to sell off, what companies on the INTERETETX do
investors tend to favor?

Speaker 6 (01:21:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:21:32):
And this turmoil and where markets are falling, investors do
tend to shift to easily predictable businesses and solid sectors.
And these are examples like consumer staples and food and utilities,
and the injet X has a few good examples, so
our own relatively robust gent tailor electricity sector that gets
a lot of interest when markets tend to sell off.

(01:21:53):
And then also high quality growth companies that growing every year,
like EBOS that gets a bit of a flight to say,
and Spark traditionally would have been in that camp as well,
but given they're having a few of their own specific issues,
means that investors are avoiding that name for now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
And just very quickly tell me. In May, so far
we've seen a bit of a rally. What companies have
benefited here.

Speaker 24 (01:22:15):
Yeah, some of the tariff exposed companies, as you'd imagine,
so main freight that's up twenty three percent on that
normalization of trade. We've got Infra till you know, they
got hit on the tech sell off, so they're up
eleven percent. And then cyclical companies they tend to perform
well in bill markets generally, and in New Zealand we've

(01:22:36):
got the retirement names like Ryman and Somerset and also
a bit of Fletcher Building too, so they've all had
double digit gains this month so far. But yeah, the
volatility makes investors' jobs really tricky, but it does make
following the markets super interesting at the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Thank you so much, Jeremy really appreciated. Jeremy Hutton of
Milford Acid Management here the what a lame key we
save a discussion earlier. How about upping the employer contributions? Well,
anything's possible, but I would have I think it's unlikely,
isn't it, Because I mean, this is a government that's
that would love to be friendly to business after business
has been hammered and hammered and hammered and hammered and

(01:23:11):
hammered and hammered by the previous government. So I think
it would probably be a bit much for business, especially
in a recession, to be lumped with that as well,
don't you think? Headlines next? And then infrastructing New.

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He said, Hi, nice to meet you too.

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Lin Maybe does get up the jus.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Right, Kevin Cray is going to be less than ten minutes.
Turns out that fire bombing that was taking place read
Keir Starmer's properties as a couple of houses in the
car and stuff. They now think that there might have
been hostile foreign state involved to that. So we'll get
the latest from Gavin when he's with us shortly. Incoming news,
the Privilegious Committee has just released its decision on what
to do with the Maori Party. MPs Hannah Hannah Arfts

(01:24:12):
he might be Clarke has suspended from the House for
seven days, Debingardi were Packer severely censured, suspended from the
House for twenty one days. Rahweru White is he's severely censured,
suspended from the House for twenty one days. And the
reason why they're being punished like this is for acting
in a manner that could have the effect of intimidating
a member of the House and the discharge of their duty.

(01:24:35):
So just to be clear, it's not because they did
a hucker, right, It's because they got up out of
their seats approached David Seymour and behaved in a threatening
way in front of him. Now that just happens to
be a hacker. It just happens to be old mate Watson,
name Debbie pullin the gun whatever, it's all of that.
It's not for that. It's for trying to intimidate him.

(01:24:55):
Twenty three away from seven ever due for see Allen
Now Treasury at tur out as facing possible legal action
after barring organizations from next week's budget lockup. These organizations
that would ordinarily be in the budget lock up. The
Taxpayers Union is threatening a judicial review unless they get
access like they normally would have, and it turns out
Infrastructure New Zealand is also barred. The chief executive is

(01:25:16):
Nick Legg at Hay Nick, Hi, Heather, you prepared to
do anything like what the Taxpayers Union is doing, not.

Speaker 14 (01:25:23):
At the stage, but we do want to obviously draw
people's at eger to the fact that you know, the
government stated intent is to improve infrastructure investment, make New
Zealand more more productive, get our economy going, and it
just seems odd to bar Infrastructure New Zealand, Business New

(01:25:45):
Zealand people that represent you know, a lot of businesses
and organizations and some local government and government agencies as well.
When we're all trying to row in the same direction,
it seems pretty random. I mean, I thought this was
a lockdown, not a lockout.

Speaker 6 (01:26:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Yeah, very good point. Have they told you why you've
been barred?

Speaker 14 (01:26:07):
No, No, they haven't. I'm sure why.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
I want to have a guess because of one of
the theories, one of the working theories is that Nikola
Willis just cannot be faffed with the ced to you
and the Taxpayer's Union, and so she's just barred everybody
basically to get them out.

Speaker 14 (01:26:24):
Well, I think of that's the case. It's a shame
because everybody's got an interest in the budget, and all
of those two organizations that you've named and a few others,
we all actually want to be constructive and we want
to get the oil on the budget as soon as possible,
so we can communicate what we see to the people

(01:26:46):
that we work for and we represent and the wider
public as well. I mean, you think about it. On
budget day, you'll have some analysis either you'll hear from
the politicians actually those of us that can provide a
bit more information to your listeners. In a bit more analysis.
It's useful, right, it's useful for the whole discussion.

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Well on that subject, honest, I agree with you, although
the political editor of the station does not agree with you,
Jason Walls. He says he doesn't need someone like you
in there to tell him how to read a budget.
He knows to go to the back page.

Speaker 14 (01:27:19):
Yeah, and the things. It's not about him, it's about
the people that listen to him. So if you want
to talk about what's good for business, actually talking to
Katherine Richard Business New Zealand and hearing what her and
her team make at the budget, that's kind of an
important angle, just one of many. But we represent tens

(01:27:41):
of thousands of businesses and employees between us and individuals
these organizations that have been barred, and it just seems
odd to exclude us in the room. But there will
be selective businesses and other organizations included. I just don't
understand the thinking, I guess. And we get on well

(01:28:02):
with the government. I think we've got a good relationship.

Speaker 6 (01:28:05):
It's not.

Speaker 14 (01:28:07):
The end of the world, but we are perplexed and disappointed.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
Well, and not to mention the fact that is it
one of the five pillars of the budget is infrastructure.
So actually, if the budget is going to be about infrastructure,
then surely there's value in having infrastructure New Zealand. They're
looking at it.

Speaker 14 (01:28:24):
Well, we've been there in other years and it's worked
pretty well. And we've been there to give commentary to
the media and provide information and context when infrastructure type
things and funds are announced by the Finance minister. This
is just part of democracy here there, I think, and
it's a shame to sort of exclude just a few groups.

(01:28:45):
And yeah, we want obviously the government to reconsider and
we'll be asking for that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Nick.

Speaker 24 (01:28:51):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
I really appreciated Nick Legat's chief Executive of Infrastructure New Zealand.
Heither hopefully their pay has been suspended. Well, actually I
can answer that for you and and I will do
just really quickly. Survey of the best banks came out today.
They're ranked ranked by customer satisfaction. Top of the list
is the Cooperative Bank, not the first time that the

(01:29:11):
Cooperative Bank has come out top of the list. Bottom
of the list is you know's bottom of the list.
They're always bottom of the list. A and Z, New
Zealand's largest and most profitable bank by market share, but
also crappiest bank. As it turns out, this is where
it belongs. A and Z is rubbish if you've ever
had to use A and Z. I mean, why are

(01:29:33):
you pulling that face at me? Producer? It is bold,
but it's true. I'm going to back it up right now.
So once upon a time I decided to bank with Kiwibank.
But then Kiwi Bank. This was being nineteen round about there.
They decided to d bank the mining industry, which now
all the banks are getting into the d banking. They

(01:29:53):
think it's fun, and gas station don't want to bank
you anymore. Farmers don't want to bank you anymore. But
back then it was still novel. And they debanked the
mine industry on the West Coast, and I got the
West Coast got upset about it, and I thought, no,
this is ridiculous. I don't want to finance. I don't
want to financially support an institution that is this ridiculous.
So I pulled all of my banking from Kiwibank, and
I thought, oh, try. Jane said, well, geez. From the

(01:30:16):
frying pan to the fire. It was like, I don't
know which was worse that the principles at the Green
Bank or just the customer service at the Blue Bank.
It was hidious, so I didn't last very long and
I went back to ASB. ASB is where I started
my banking journey at the age of eighty years old.
Do you know, like, do you remember when they came here,
they gave you the little book and that because I
was I was at a school, I was at primary
school that gave me the little book, a little elephant

(01:30:38):
thing and I picked my pin and it's been my
pin ever since. Don't if you know my pin, don't
try to rip me off. But more now in the
bank than there was when I was eight. And can
I just tell you ASB absolute legends. I love banking
with ASB. I don't care that they're Australian. They are awesome.
They are so good at what they do. They're they're
app a simple Their phone banking is simple if you.

Speaker 6 (01:31:00):
Have to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
They're customer services on point. Just want to tell And
I'm not even getting any money for telling you that.
I get no money from ASB for telling you that.
Just get fantastic service. Sixteen away from seven, everything.

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Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Talks ed be Kevin Gray are UK correspondents with us. Heykevin, Hi,
there any idea what this hostile state is?

Speaker 14 (01:31:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
I think there's all sorts of potential roomors of course
pointing the finger at different groups, including the recent arrests
we've had in connection with activities said to be spying
on behalf of Iran. So I guess that country must
be high up the list. But these are three incidents
that have been linked to property that either Keirstarmer owns
or has owned, so our own prime ministers are former

(01:31:55):
car which he sold to a neighbor that's been set
on fire in North London, near to a that he
used to live in that was a converted house into
a number of flats. He used to live there he
doesn't anymore, that have a fire. One person had to
be rescued. And now the house that he owns but
rents out because he's living in Downing Street that have

(01:32:16):
a fire outside the front door. Again nobody injured, thankfully,
but there was damage to the entrance way so three
fires connect to two securestarma within three or four days,
and police believe the culprit is intending to endanger life.
They have now arrested a twenty one year old man.
But to the question is what is the motive? And

(01:32:38):
it's being investigated by counter terrorism police. So is this
some sort of a hostile foreign state that's looking at
this or not At the moment, lots of unanswered questions,
investigations continue.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Kevin, tell me about this King of Germany. I mean,
was the sky serious?

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
He is in his own way, shall I say, fifty
nine year old Peter fitzg He's among a number of
people arrested in some raids involving eight hundred security personnel
and across seven states of Germany. Now he is the
leader of what's called the Reichsberger or the citizens of
the Reich. They seek to establish what they call koenig

(01:33:16):
Kraaich Deutschland or Kingdom of Germany. And he is quite
a character and in the past has called himself king.
He says Peter, he referred himself to an earlier court
case and Reichberger's had their own currency, flag and ID cards.
They want to set up a separate banking and health system,

(01:33:37):
and they believe the current German state is sick and satanic.
And yeah, he has around about twenty five thousand members
of this group, of which he is their sort of
self fulfilled king and they are his subjects. But there
does appear to be some right wing extremist element to this.
They pedal racist, anti Semitic conspiracy theories, at least that's

(01:34:01):
what the prosecutors are saying. And in the past, although
they've often been dismissed as eccentric cranks because of these
outlandish ideas, the far right has grown considerably in strength
politically in Germany over the last decade.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Okay, now, when these civil servants that are being moved
out of London, where are they going.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Well to Manchester in the northwest of England, Aberdeen in Scotland.
And the government says it's going to save roughly two
hundred million New Zealand dollars a year, aiming to take
twelve thousand posts out of London and close eleven offices
in London. Now, this is all meant to sort of,
you know, get the government closer to the people that

(01:34:41):
it's serving, etc. It's also about saving money. This is
not the first government to have pledged to do this. Indeed,
you know, I think of every single successive government that
we've had in the last few years said we're going
to do this.

Speaker 6 (01:34:54):
But of course civil servants.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
Who have families in London are very reluctant to move,
and already the unions are saying we need to look
at the fine print of this and what it'll mean
for our members. But this is something that this government
is absolutely desperate to crack down on the number of
civil servants since the pandemic has absolutely just rocketed and
now tops over half a million civil servants, increasing considerably

(01:35:20):
since twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Hey, thank you, Gavin, always appreciated Gavin Gray, UK correspondent.
Hither ditto ASB is the bomb, Hither the pay definitely
needs to be docked. Banning from the House's no penalty
at all for the Mardi Party because they already have
the lowest attendance rate, which is fair enough. So what's
happened is yet, look, when they're suspended from the House,
they have their paydoct for the duration they will not
receive the money, so nothing going in there ASB accounts

(01:35:44):
isn't there. It turns out I'd ask this question earlier
in the week why Hana raif Raft might be klug
is getting a lesser punishment than the other two because
she actually started the behavior. She started the hugger. It's
because she has demonstrated some level of contrition towards the
Speaker for the effect that her actions have had on
the House. This is in her written statement. They also

(01:36:04):
say it is the Privileges Committee. We acknowledge the severity
of the penalties imposed on Debingado, Wapaka and Arawaduwitity, which
is three weeks suspension. Suspension from the House deprives the
members constituencies of a voice in Parliament. However, we intend
to leave members in no doubt that the behavior discussed
is not acceptable and that the intimidation of the other
members of the House is treated with utmost seriousness, and

(01:36:26):
we expect that future breaches of privilege or contempt of
this nature will be met with similar severity. So if
they do it again, it's three weeks again. Nine away
from seven.

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Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Hither it's alja funny thing. Went to the A and
Z and Hastings Today's to buy some Australian cash for
my upcoming holiday. They no longer sell foreign currency, none
of the banks in the serious salet who knew well
as I didn't know. But also, why do you need
to buy cash? Don't you just go get on the plane,
fly to Australia, get off the plane, go to the ATM,

(01:37:06):
put your card in and get the cash out. We'll
just use your card. It's twenty twenty five l J.
That's how it works nowadays. Now Rico Yuanni, Okay, I
have done my utmost to find out what's going on
with Rico Yuanni's face, because we've talked. We talked about
it yesterday and I said I would come back to
you around about this time in the show. And I said,

(01:37:27):
I'll come back to you. And I know you're tuning
in to find out what happened to Rico Yuanni's face.
So I said to Elliott, have a look at Rico
and tell me what's going on there. He said, yeah, look,
he thinks what's happened is Rico has trimmed down somewhat,
and so therefore his cheeks are a little bit less full,
and he's really showing off those cheek bones, and I

(01:37:47):
think that is true. I think that could be it.
I then spent a lot of time googling Rico Yuanni
and just looking at pictures of him. Something has happened.
It's like you know how, you know how when you
know when a teenager, you haven't seen a teenager for
a bit, and then you see that they're like you
saw them last time, they were a kid, and suddenly

(01:38:08):
they're a man. This is what's happened to Rico. Like
he was just a young one before, but suddenly he's
just a really handsome man. He's like a man now. Anyway,
so I called the Blues. I said to the media guy, Look,
did I not tell you that, Laura, would you have
preferred it? If I left you to do that, It's
probably would have been wiser.

Speaker 8 (01:38:27):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
Anyway, I called him. I called Johnny. I don't know,
Johnny said, Johnny listens, Heather from Newsawk. It's a bit
of a weird one for you. But we think something's
happened to Rico and we want to know what it
is because it's puzzling us. He said, well, he did
go straight from a sprint session dripping in sweat, is
it dripping in sweat to the interview, So we concluded
that possibly what may have happened was that there was

(01:38:48):
a little bit of like an endorphin flush going on
or something like that. He said, look, i'll go find
out and i'll come back to you, And then he
texted me and he said nothing different at this end,
maybe just a few extra reps at the jail. So look,
I'm sorry. Essentially, what I'm telling you is that my
investigation into Rico's face has come up inconclusive. It would
appear possibly he's just got a new beard cut, new haircut,

(01:39:11):
trimmed down, become a man, and he's just about one
hundred percent six here. That's all.

Speaker 17 (01:39:16):
And never let it be said that we don't do
any I think you've covered every possible angle on that story.

Speaker 6 (01:39:23):
Hither.

Speaker 17 (01:39:23):
I can't see what I could possibly add for the
last of time. Yeah, you've done a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:39:26):
Of work on it very well.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Now I'd say I hate to doing it.

Speaker 17 (01:39:28):
Yeah, No, And we need to give people a variety
as well. Twenty thousand dollars someone has paid to be
Jeene Simmons roady for a day twenty thousand New Zealand dollars.
It was twelve thousand, five hundred US, which is a
lot of money. But the fan who had the chance
to do it has come out afterwards and said he
absolutely loves it, does not regret it at all, said
him and his son got to go on stage with
Jeene Simmons, got to have the whole experience of the concert.

(01:39:50):
And he's been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and it's put
in perspective his life the important of having experiences. And
he said it was an absolutely great time. So good
on you retired fifty ten your old correction, Sergeant Dwayne Rosato.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Do you know that Gene Simmons is one of the
most boring people in real life, Like, not in a
bad way, just like he is such a square. That
whole outfit, that whole get up is just all performative.

Speaker 17 (01:40:12):
Well, I'm glad that he was fun to hang out.
I'm with twenty thousand. I was hanging out with a
boring person and I'm glad it was worth it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Yeah, totally. Hey, enjoy evening. See you tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
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