A stay - for Te Pāti Māori MPs expecting debate on possible suspension today.
The Privileges Committee recommended suspensions for Rawiri Waititi, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and Hana Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke for a protest haka during voting on the contentious Treaty Principles Bill.
But 20 minutes after the debate began, Parliament's voted to adjourn it.
Newstalk ZB political editor Jason Walls unpacked today's events - and discussed why National wanted the focus off this matter during Budget week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jason Will's political editors with US Now, Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Jason, good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
That was a fizzle, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, I don't think it was. I was surprising, but
it was still like interestingly interesting enough for it to
be not a Fizzit in my book a fizzer, and
in the sense that we didn't have an agreement, but
what we did have was just confusion out of everywhere
in the house and it kind of came out of
nowhere when Chris Bishop said this.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Horrible Chris Bishop, I moved that this debate be now
a June two Thursday, five June twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So we were taking a bit back by this because
we've been talking to national MPs and ministers all day
right on Tuesday. We have ample opportunity to talk to
all of them, and this has been the talk of
the town. Not one of them even hinted that this
would be the move. And you can actually hear the
shock in the background from the likes of Chris Hopkins
and other members of the opposition, And it was remarkable
(00:52):
to watch because there was no public gallery. The press
gallery was the fullest I've seen it since probably John
Keyes Valedictory and we all kind of looked around and thought,
what is going on here? Even the Speaker was caught
a bit off God.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
But I will seek some degree of speciivity about the
reason for the adjournment.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The motion, mister Speaker. The government has come to the
view that given the centrality of the budget process to Parliament,
it would be appropriate for the party mary members who
may or may not be suspended following the conclusion of
the consideration of the substantive motion, to participate in the budget.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So now we have to wait until June fifth, and
that's after the budget, of course. And you know what
I mean. Looking at this objectively, right, it does make sense,
like I agree with what's happened. The budget is extremely important.
It makes sense that the government is using its time
this week to talk about that. But it was still
really came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Did Chris Hopkins and the Labor Party vote against the adjournment?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
They did? And I was just speaking to Chris Hopkins,
he was in the Gallery office not too long ago
about this issue, and essentially he was saying, well, it
was such a like it was a circus, I think
was the word that he used in terms of nobody
knew what was going on. But here's what he told
reporters after this whole thing went down in the house.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Moving these allegations against the Marti Party, and they're not
even allowing them the opportunity to speak or defend themselves,
doing that without warning. Had they approached us this morning
and said, look, we wanted to furthest debate, we want
to put it off till later on, we would have
been open to having that conversation. We've been trying to
talk to them for the last forty eight hours. They
haven't even bothered to return phone calls, and then they
do this. They just look like they're out of their depth.
I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So if they've gone to the opposition beforehand and talked
them through with this, then no doubtther they would have
supported it, because if you look at it objectively, it
would make sense for the opposition to vote for this
because this is essentially what many of them have been
arguing this whole.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Time exactly, which is why I'm asking. So he gets up,
This is Chris Hopkins gets up and says, we don't
want them to be punished like this because we think
they need to par dissipate in the budget. Chris Hopkins,
Chris Chris Bishop gets up and goes, okay, let's defer
it so they can participate in the budget. And then
Chris Hopkins goes, no, we don't support that. I mean, like,
what is your position? Well, it seems to me he's
(03:11):
just being contrary and opposing anything that the government wants
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It has been incredibly confusing to kind of pin down
their position, but it seems to be just because of
the confusion, and they frankly not really know what was
actually going on. I mean, it was even the speaker
you heard before was having a little bit. It appeared
to be the speaker was how did we love of trouble?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
How did nobody and I include myself, and how did
none of us think that this was probably this is,
in retrospect, such an obvious thing for the government to do.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh no, we did. We were asking them as early
as this morning if this is something that they were
going to do, and there was just so noncommittal in
terms of their answers to these questions that we have
that we just didn't even concede that this would be
an issue. Like we were asking these questions because we thought,
hang on a second, why don't you just defer the debate?
And so I don't know what happened in their caucus
meeting this morning. We know that Labor softened its position Lee,
(04:00):
but Chris Hopkins was saying that they were going to
move a motion for the suspension to be one to
three days, and then in the House Chris Hopkins was
talking about it being for twenty four hours. So a
lot to be a fly on the wall of any
caucus room this morning.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'll tell you what I expect that the Maori Party
the most bummed out, but you know, of everybody in
Parliament because they had the old protest out the front
and everything going on. Have you heard from them?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
We have, Indeed, this was Debbie who was speaking just
a few moments ago.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We never knew what games they were going to play,
but you know you're a threat when they start playing
like super chess.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Many from here are from the Okuda, but in Taranaki
we take pride and our civil disobedience.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So they're a little confused as well because they didn't
see this coming and so he waited.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
He what we saw today makes me feel like I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
On remand so essentially just sort of waiting for the punishment.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Oh wow, Okay, and how's Brownlee feeling?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Ah, listen, I'm not sure how Joe Brownlee is feeling.
I think that he's probably you know, what.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Did his face say at that very minute? Because unfortunately,
as I faced up earlier, I was on the phone
when this happened. You'll and at all tell me what
happened to his face?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Will we sit directly above Jerry Browne and we were
looking at the faces of the MP I should have
turned around and looked at the TV. But yeah, no,
I'm sure he was maybe maybe as confused as all
of us. I'd love to know if he was in
on this, because it certainly seemed like maybe he wasn't
based on the question yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I was saying, judging by that, the tripping over the
words and everything.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
No, not in on it at all.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Jason, Thanks very much. Jason Wall's News Talks. He'd be
political editor.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive Listen live to
news Talks.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
He'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
Jason Will's political editors with US Now, Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Jason, good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
That was a fizzle, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, I don't think it was. I was surprising, but
it was still like interestingly interesting enough for it to
be not a Fizzit in my book a fizzer, and
in the sense that we didn't have an agreement, but
what we did have was just confusion out of everywhere
in the house and it kind of came out of
nowhere when Chris Bishop said this.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Horrible Chris Bishop, I moved that this debate be now
a June two Thursday, five June twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
So we were taking a bit back by this because
we've been talking to national MPs and ministers all day
right on Tuesday. We have ample opportunity to talk to
all of them, and this has been the talk of
the town. Not one of them even hinted that this
would be the move. And you can actually hear the
shock in the background from the likes of Chris Hopkins
and other members of the opposition, And it was remarkable
(00:52):
to watch because there was no public gallery. The press
gallery was the fullest I've seen it since probably John
Keyes Valedictory and we all kind of looked around and thought,
what is going on here? Even the Speaker was caught
a bit off God.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
But I will seek some degree of speciivity about the
reason for the adjournment.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The motion, mister Speaker. The government has come to the
view that given the centrality of the budget process to Parliament,
it would be appropriate for the party mary members who
may or may not be suspended following the conclusion of
the consideration of the substantive motion, to participate in the budget.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So now we have to wait until June fifth, and
that's after the budget, of course. And you know what
I mean. Looking at this objectively, right, it does make sense,
like I agree with what's happened. The budget is extremely important.
It makes sense that the government is using its time
this week to talk about that. But it was still
really came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Did Chris Hopkins and the Labor Party vote against the adjournment?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
They did? And I was just speaking to Chris Hopkins,
he was in the Gallery office not too long ago
about this issue, and essentially he was saying, well, it
was such a like it was a circus, I think
was the word that he used in terms of nobody
knew what was going on. But here's what he told
reporters after this whole thing went down in the house.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Moving these allegations against the Marti Party, and they're not
even allowing them the opportunity to speak or defend themselves,
doing that without warning. Had they approached us this morning
and said, look, we wanted to furthest debate, we want
to put it off till later on, we would have
been open to having that conversation. We've been trying to
talk to them for the last forty eight hours. They
haven't even bothered to return phone calls, and then they
do this. They just look like they're out of their depth.
I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
So if they've gone to the opposition beforehand and talked
them through with this, then no doubtther they would have
supported it, because if you look at it objectively, it
would make sense for the opposition to vote for this
because this is essentially what many of them have been
arguing this whole.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Time exactly, which is why I'm asking. So he gets up,
This is Chris Hopkins gets up and says, we don't
want them to be punished like this because we think
they need to par dissipate in the budget. Chris Hopkins,
Chris Chris Bishop gets up and goes, okay, let's defer
it so they can participate in the budget. And then
Chris Hopkins goes, no, we don't support that. I mean, like,
what is your position? Well, it seems to me he's
(03:11):
just being contrary and opposing anything that the government wants
to do.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It has been incredibly confusing to kind of pin down
their position, but it seems to be just because of
the confusion, and they frankly not really know what was
actually going on. I mean, it was even the speaker
you heard before was having a little bit. It appeared
to be the speaker was how did we love of trouble?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
How did nobody and I include myself, and how did
none of us think that this was probably this is,
in retrospect, such an obvious thing for the government to do.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh no, we did. We were asking them as early
as this morning if this is something that they were
going to do, and there was just so noncommittal in
terms of their answers to these questions that we have
that we just didn't even concede that this would be
an issue. Like we were asking these questions because we thought,
hang on a second, why don't you just defer the debate?
And so I don't know what happened in their caucus
meeting this morning. We know that Labor softened its position Lee,
(04:00):
but Chris Hopkins was saying that they were going to
move a motion for the suspension to be one to
three days, and then in the House Chris Hopkins was
talking about it being for twenty four hours. So a
lot to be a fly on the wall of any
caucus room this morning.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'll tell you what I expect that the Maori Party
the most bummed out, but you know, of everybody in
Parliament because they had the old protest out the front
and everything going on. Have you heard from them?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
We have, Indeed, this was Debbie who was speaking just
a few moments ago.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We never knew what games they were going to play,
but you know you're a threat when they start playing
like super chess.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
And I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Many from here are from the Okuda, but in Taranaki
we take pride and our civil disobedience.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So they're a little confused as well because they didn't
see this coming and so he waited.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
He what we saw today makes me feel like I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
On remand so essentially just sort of waiting for the punishment.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Oh wow, Okay, and how's Brownlee feeling?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Ah, listen, I'm not sure how Joe Brownlee is feeling.
I think that he's probably you know, what.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Did his face say at that very minute? Because unfortunately,
as I faced up earlier, I was on the phone
when this happened. You'll and at all tell me what
happened to his face?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Will we sit directly above Jerry Browne and we were
looking at the faces of the MP I should have
turned around and looked at the TV. But yeah, no,
I'm sure he was maybe maybe as confused as all
of us. I'd love to know if he was in
on this, because it certainly seemed like maybe he wasn't
based on the question yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I was saying, judging by that, the tripping over the
words and everything.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
No, not in on it at all.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Jason, Thanks very much. Jason Wall's News Talks. He'd be
political editor.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive Listen live to
news Talks.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
He'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio.
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