Full Show Podcast: 30 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spin to find the real story gory.
It's Heather dupasy Eland Drive with one New Zealand. Let's
get connected News talks.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
That'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Afternoon coming up on Today Show. Phil Goff says that
words aren't enough. We now have to do something about
what's happening in Gaza.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
He's with us.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
After five, we'll have a chat to Papa toy Toy
High School principal warn Quio about whether he supports taking
parents to court over attendance. And Tim a rou has
the best water in the country. We'll talk to the mayor.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
Heather Duplicy Elan.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I want to tell you about my champion of the week.
My champion of the week is a woman called Ruth Tippoop.
Ruth is from Nelson and Ruth is the woman who
picked up the flag in that art installation. You'll be
aware of the art installation by now because it had
a few days worth of headlines.

Speaker 6 (00:49):
Right.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
It's the one that proved to be reasonably controversial because
it involved the New Zealand flag lying on the floor
with a sign that said please walk on me. And
apparently it was meant as statement quote against a status
quote that is built upon violent colonization. Now, to be honestly,
I actually don't have an opinion on the flag lying
on the floor a door. I don't know if it's

(01:09):
really art. I don't know if it's just maybe lazy
provocation dressed up as art. It didn't particularly upset me.
I didn't really care. I didn't think about it too much.
But it did upset Ruth. So Ruth went to the
gallery to pick the flag up off the floor, and
she pledged to do it every single day if she
had to. And now the exhibition has been removed.

Speaker 7 (01:29):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
The thing I like about Ruth is that she didn't
get ugly or confrontational when she was doing this, which
is always the risk with a confrontational art installation like this. Right,
it pushes people's buttons so badly there's sometimes misbehave they're
so angry. That's not how Ruth behaved. She didn't hate
on anyone. She just said the flag is important to
her because it represents two people living as one nation

(01:50):
under one flag. Yes, she said, she acknowledges there is
hurt in Mardi history. She fuck u up as Marty,
she fuck up up as to Ireland and Scotland and
Germany as well. She said, yep, there's hurt and Mardi history,
but doing this dishonors the flag and our country and
our two people living together. And she thinks, as far
as she's concerned, we already have enough division in our
country already, And isn't she right there is a lot

(02:12):
going on already without us then being asked to also
stand on the country's flag lying on the floor. Now,
I don't know, we could have a debate about whether
this is art or not. Maybe actually this makes the
art installation worthwhile after all, because it tried to provoke,
and it did provoke, and what it provoked was Ruth
reminding us that there is another way to look at things,
and maybe we could all do with listening a little
bit to Ruth.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
Ever, due Clan nine nine two is the.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Text number standard text fees apply and now to Auckland,
housing developers and Auckland are upset. They're going to have
to fork out tens of thousands of extra dollars per dwelling.
Under some new rules, suburbs like Red Hills and Tamiki
will have to pay seventy two thousand dollars per new
build which is about as three times as much as
they were paying before. Now, Troy Patchett is the head

(02:56):
of strategy at Property Developers Subdivide Simplified, and he's with
us now. Troy, Hello, is that too much?

Speaker 8 (03:06):
Well, that's a roadblock. At the end of the day,
it will be the user that pays the men, the
property owner, and that's unfortunate because we're in a world
of trying to create more affordable housing and this is
just a real setback for that. So you could say
a dollar is too much, but this is significantly a
higher amount than what we had anticipated.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
What were you anticipating?

Speaker 8 (03:27):
Well, interestingly enough, the Oakland Council did come out with
their first proposal, which was in some cases four to
five times the original amount, and June to the good
work of the SUNS Group, which was headed by Kirsty
Merriman and Matthew Gilligan, who put forward a case by
their CAC that ultimately postponed that proposal and the forced

(03:48):
Council to readdress it. So whilst we've got a lower
amount than what the original proposal was, it's still in
some cases two to three times, So yeah, still quite
an astronomical amount. Well, it's effectively pays for the infrastructure
in the local area. And what I mean by that
is not just the roads, but the drainage and things
like that underground, but also the local libraries, the parks

(04:10):
and all those sorts of things. Now at the moment
that's based on like a ten year calculation Auckland councilor
wanting to extend that out to a thirty year calculation.
But they've also got some other crazy methods going on
that have forced some of these fees which we didn't
think were fair and reasonable. That was part of our
case with the case Hee to challenge it.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, so do you accept that developers do need to
contribute to some of the infrastructures, just to question about
how much.

Speaker 9 (04:37):
Most definitely yep.

Speaker 8 (04:38):
I mean a user pays, right, so the homeowner, which
is either the landlord or the home owner occupy, you know,
get to the enjoyment and the facilities in that local area.
So most definitely I think there should be some cost
that that is allocated for it. But the case that
it needs to be is that it needs to be
fair and reasonable. So depending on what's in the local
area and what's charged, need to make can.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
You explain to me wider is that some suburbs are
per dwelling. It's a hell of a lot more than others.

Speaker 8 (05:07):
Yeah, So what they're saying is that Auckland have pinpointed
some suburbs is higher intensification. Therefore it's going to have
a higher wear and tear on the local infrastructure. So
they've done some calculations around how many more houses they
think are going to be built in the area and
therefore the amount of people that are going to be there.
So that's why they've said lot this, some of these

(05:27):
facilities need to be upgraded sooner rather than later, and
there's going to be more we're and telling them. So
these areas are going to have higher rates than others,
which unfortunately is going to create what they're calling a
bit of a donut effect, so that developers are going to,
I guess pull away from those areas and start to
focus on more of the areas where the development.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Country haves we little.

Speaker 8 (05:48):
Suburbs, Yeah, most definitely. And you know, as soon as
the table came out, everybody's just looking for the cheaper one, right,
so they going, okay, so that might be the next
green light, but it's definitely going to be some red zones,
which I mean absolutely all of these developments need funding,
so there needs to be a minimum margin that the
developments need to achieve before they even get out of

(06:09):
the ground. The original development contributions killed that margin. There
was no margin left in it. And now the new
development contributions have been leased are still going to kill
quite a few projects, but some may get the green light,
so it's still going to be an impact. There's still
going to be a slowdown.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, all right, Hey, Troy, thanks for talking us through.
It appreciated. That's Troy Patchett, head of Strategy, had subdivide simplified.
Listen over to the US, there is an investigation underway
because it appears somebody is trying to impersonate Trump's chief
of Staff, Susie Wilds. This is a key figure. So
Susie Wilds is a very very important figure in the
White House. So what this is obviously throwing up all

(06:49):
kinds of issues. Apparently what's happened is that somebody has
hacked into her personal cell phone and got a hold
of her contacts, and for the last few weeks, the
hacker has been calling and texting senators and governors and
top US businesses, executives and various other important people claiming
to be her. They now need to figure out what
the hell is going on here, and so an investigation

(07:11):
has been launched. Fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
It's the Heather Dupussy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Heather, I would like to send Ruth some flowers as
a thank you. I think many of us should send
Ruth some flowers as a thank you actually for what
she's done. At seventeen past four Jason pine Weekend Sport
Hosters with us at Piney. Hello, Heather, Blues or more
wan aka Pacifica.

Speaker 10 (07:36):
I would love more on a Pacifica to make it.
I think most people outside of the Blues fan base
would prefer having more on a Pacifica in the top
six than the Blue.

Speaker 11 (07:43):
I mean, what a story, Heather, what a story?

Speaker 6 (07:46):
You know?

Speaker 10 (07:47):
Are you a Blues fan?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Now? I'm apathetic? You know, we don't need to have
this conversation about Super Rugby. However, I am going to
the game tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (07:56):
Good which one the odd the one?

Speaker 9 (07:58):
And ignor?

Speaker 6 (08:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (08:00):
Are you really? There'll be a bit of a damp
squad whin.

Speaker 10 (08:02):
I mean the Blues will probably win the game, yes,
and that will and that will probably get them into
the six because Mawana Pacifica, by contrast, have to come
to Wellington and beat the Hurricanes.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
That's not something to happen though, I don't think so.

Speaker 10 (08:15):
I feel like, much as I would love to see them,
as I say in the Sex, I think Mona Pacifica
might just be running out of gas ever so slightly.
They've been so good, but against the Chiefs a week ago, man,
that was a bit of a hiding. So I kind
of feel as though the Blues will squeak in almost
in spite of themselves, if I'm honest. It's been a
fairly fairly meek and limp title defense. But having said that,

(08:35):
once they're in the six, it's one of those where it's,
you know, into knockout games. Maybe they'll lift their game,
Maybe we'll find them in the grand finals.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
Who know.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Money, I mean, are we being unfair on will one
A Pacific because didn't they just lose because it was
the Chiefs.

Speaker 10 (08:47):
That's a very good point because I mean the Chiefs
play like that against anybody, you get a hiding, right
I think I think Maana just got them on that night.

Speaker 12 (08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (08:55):
The Chiefs are good. The Chiefs are well in my
mind anyway, the favorites to finally win the whole thing.
They've made the last two Grand finals. I would be
you know, I'd be putting money on them if I
was in possession of any to win the whole thing.
They are a very good team. So yeah, maybe Mowana
will surprise us all Artie's return to Wellington. Maybe Hill
inspire them to win over the Hurricanes and they will

(09:16):
be in the sixth.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, well you know you might get your story after all.
Do you reckon? The Warriors are going to be able
to bounce back?

Speaker 10 (09:21):
I think so. They have twice the season when they've lost.
They lost to the Raiders in Vegas, bounced back with
a good one over the Sea Eagles got hammered by
the storm, but bounce back to win against the Broncos.
They were missing their co captains last week, both of
who are back, James Fisher, Harris and Mitch Barnett. They
didn't play against the Raiders. I think against the Rabbit
O's in Sydney on Sunday afternoon, they'll write the ship

(09:43):
and continue on their merry way. They look a very
good team this year to me, Heather, They've got some
good depth players stepping up. I think they'll win on
Sunday and get and get a winning street going again.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Pinney, can I ask you something? Do you think that
I should be putting much stock by these rumors of
Nathan Cleary making a switch to rugby?

Speaker 11 (10:00):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I mean, I mean, do you think he would? What's
the pay rate line?

Speaker 10 (10:05):
I see there's the pay He's also a so A
lot of people think he might go to the UK
because his partner is a Matilda Australian footballer by the
name of Mary Fowler. She's based in the UK. A
lot of people saying, well, it's the more logical place
to go. Although I guess if he switches coach, you
could play up there. I don't reckon, Do you reckon?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I don't know. That's why I'm asking you. You're the
one who knows all this stuff.

Speaker 11 (10:25):
Or what a wonderful answer from me?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Then I don't know whither I don't know, But your
tone said it all. Piney, your tone said it all,
and I appreciate that. That's Jason pine weekend sport host
mid day to three tomorrow and Sunday here in Newstalk Zibby.
Yet the look the rumors have been doing the rounds
with Nathan Cleary a little while and why that popped
up again is because there was a podcast. I know

(10:47):
there was a podcast and it featured the former Wallaby
Tim Horran and he said you might not have to
wait too long. There's been some rumors the last two
months that he's quite keen. I've heard it totally separate,
he's quite keen to come to rugby and I'm just
I just I find it. I've got to be honestly,
I find it fascinating when these blokes switch from rugby
league to rugby union and rugby union to rugby league.

(11:08):
I'm just interested. I'm always interested in how hard they
find it to make the switch. So anyway, we'll just
say I'll keep an eye on that one because I'll
be pad I'll personally be fascinated to see how he goes,
because he's awesome at what he does.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
For twenty one, getting the facts, discarding the fluff, it's
Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
Let's get connected news talks that'd be Heather.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Why are we interested in what a sacked, useless politician
has got to say. I couldn't give an f This
is obviously about Phil Goff. Well, look, I don't have
a problem with former politicians piping up, especially when you
think about it. Think about it like, okay, first of all,
let's deal with the substantial, the substance, and then we'll
deal with the golf. So Phil Goff is talking about Garza. Now,

(11:51):
I don't know about you, but I am finding it
very hard to watch the news of an evening at
the moment, in particular the Gaza stories, because I don't
know about you, but as a mum, starving kids is
just unbearable for me. So I'm actually having to make
a choice, to be honest with you, I actually have
to leave the room. And my husband is like he

(12:12):
tried for a little while he thought I was being dramatic,
but I think he's accepted it. Now I have to
go into another room and when the story is finished,
I can come back in. And the thing that has
frustrated me the most about this situation is how is this?
How are we allowing this to happen? Like these stories
are unbearable to watch. Surely the world is looking at
Surely I'm not the only person. I've got no power, right,

(12:33):
but surely there are people with power who are looking
at this and thinking this can't happen. So why don't
we do something about it? Which begs the question, well,
what can we do about it?

Speaker 9 (12:40):
Well?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Phil Goffs obviously thought about it. He said, the words
that we're using in declarations and stuff are simply not enough,
and we need to start imposing sanctions, sanctions on the
state of Israel, sanctions on the individuals who are involved
in the leadership of Israel. And I actually I don't
even know if that goes far enough. And we'll talk
to because what is that going to do? I mean,
is there not something we can do that it is
more immediate and will have an immediate impact. We will

(13:02):
talk to Phil about this after five. Why I want
to hear from somebody like Phil is what are your
credentials in the international diplomatic sphere? What are mine? Absolutely none?
He though has been a leader of a party. He
has been I think a foreign minister, hasn't he? Yees,
he's been a foreign minister. He has also more recently

(13:23):
been our diplomat, our top diplomat in London, so I
think the man is qualified to talk to us about
the realities of how you deal with something like this.
That's why I want to hear from somebody like Phil Gock,
and we will after five o'clock and hopefully he can
actually give us some remedies to the situation that we
might be able to start to see some hope in this. Timroo,
Lord talk about talking about something altogether differently, I feel

(13:45):
like we all just need to have our spirits lifted
after that, though, Timaru, well done you jeez, not just
Caroline Bay but also now the country's best water. So
they got the water together. There were four different finalists,
were twenty different regions who had the water were in
the water competition, and four of them were finalisms like
Tao Po and Timrou and blah blah blah. Anyway, tim

(14:07):
Maroo's taken out and they were testing it on four
different things. Color had to be completely completely translucent. Didn't
want any white sail browns in there, you know what
I mean. Clarity wanted to be crystal clear, no cloudiness.
Odoor had to smell nice and taste pleasing to the palette,
and Timrou's taken it out. Now it begs a lot
of questions, like you know, your delicious water is different

(14:31):
to my delicious water. Personally, I think the best water
you can possibly drink at any one time ever in
the whole history of the world is out of a
pump bottle. I can't explain it. It's that this is
like a metallic twang to it.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
I just love it.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Don't give me another bottle, don't give me the evy rn,
and don't give me any of that other stuff. I
think it all tastes hideous. It's the pump anyway. That's
the first question, like surely so it's all subjective, like
all you drinkers, is why cattow pose water that's gone
through the treatment plant? Maybe that's what you like? Do
you know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (14:59):
So?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
But the other one is what what's the durability of water?
Like if you're scooping it out right out of Timaru's
whatever river tap, it's tapwater out of the tap, and
then you do you have to bottle it? And do
you have to keep it without the air? Do you
have to do anything special? Doesn't last in transit?

Speaker 13 (15:18):
Is it like do you know?

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Or is it just water as it comes out of
the tap? Taste like water three weeks later in the
same bottle, much to discuss headlines.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Next, putting the challenging questions to the people at the
heart of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with
one New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

Speaker 14 (15:44):
Machine.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
But do you know that pump water is just treated
au clan tap water. That's why I like it. I
like it because I drink it out of the tap,
and then when I drink it out of the bottle,
I go exactly how water should taste delicious? That only
costs me three dollars fifty You know things are better
when you pay for them as well.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
Ah, you know that.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
That's why I like it. Hither the best water I've
ever had. Heading up the hills behind Mercury Bay golf Course, Heather,
I like, honestly you I like sewer water has a
slightly earthy, nutty flavor on the back end heroic, What
about this, Heather? Since how long has the phrase taking
it out referred to winning a competition? Is it just

(16:34):
a New Zealand thing because I've never heard of it before.
Absolutely hate. It has no meaning at all from Sunny Sonny.
You can leave if you don't like it, that is good.
I don't know if that's a kei we thing. I
try to google it before, just before it, tried to
see what is there? Is there a definition for taking
it out that means winning and I don't see it,
So perhaps it is a key we thing. Don't touch it.
It's tapuo.

Speaker 6 (16:54):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Twenty four away from five.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
It's the world wires on newstalks.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Trump's tariffs are back on for now, at least. First
a court blocked them yesterday, then an appeals court unblocked
them while the court considers the White House appeal against
the first court hearing. Trump's trade advisor says that if
the administration loses the case, they're just going to find
another way to put those tariffs on.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Even if we lose, we will do it another way.

Speaker 15 (17:19):
And I can assure you, marrying people, that the Trump
tariff agenda is alive, well, healthy, and will be implemented
to pregrotect you.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Over the Tasman. The Senate election results have been finalized.
The coalition has dropped five seats. Four of those went
to Labor. This means that Labour and the Greens have
enough seats together to pass legislation. Another big winner was
Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party. They've picked up three Senate
seats where Dad sat. Getting rid of net zero and
getting out of the Paris Agreement and the UN agreements

(17:48):
and her agreements. These are it's what people basically don't want.
And finally, Madam Tussard's Wax Museum in London has unveiled
a new wax gooture and this time, instead of a
celebrity or an historical figure, the museum has made a
wax recreation of a sausage roll. The sausage roll will

(18:08):
be on display until June the fifth, which we all
know is National Sausage Roll Day.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind
for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Dan Mitchison, US correspondence with US Hello.

Speaker 6 (18:23):
Dan, Hello Heather.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Where have you been?

Speaker 6 (18:28):
You mean in general today the last year?

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Haven't you haven't been on the show with us for days?
Where have you been?

Speaker 6 (18:32):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I was?

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Oh I had an anniversary that's right earlier this this week.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
So you're we're a marriage anniversary.

Speaker 6 (18:41):
No, it was a marriage anniversary. What goal have you
achieved nine years? Which is I know, I know, it's
just a drop in the bucket, But thank you, thank
you very nice.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Now you should celebrate nice things in your life. I'm
glad you went and made the most of it. Dan,
Where are we at with the tariffs? What's going on?
I I honestly thought Trump he would take this as
an opportunity to just bail out of them and go, oh,
look we it was too hot, and don't worry about
a bit.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
No, no, no, no, no. Actually, it's kind of funny.

Speaker 15 (19:09):
I saw this trending, I think yesterday, so I had
to sort of google it and find out what they
were talking about. Taco trade, which is what Wall Street
analysts have now coined this phrase because it's their belief
that the President Trump always chickens out from imposing these
these steep import taxes.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
And so he was asked about this in the Oval.

Speaker 15 (19:28):
Office and he said, you know, that's a nasty question,
but basically, yeah, like you just said in the world wires,
I mean, the US Court of International Trade has ruled
that he exceeded his authority on the power. So the
court gave the White House ten days to remove almost
all the tariffs. The White House appealed, and then the
Federal Appeals Court has now stayed the court's rerually, which
means Eezer got to stay in place for the time being.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
In one way or the other.

Speaker 15 (19:49):
I mean, these tariffs are going to go through. I
mean this has been a huge part of his agenda
for the first one hundred plus day. So I think
they'll find a way to tack these on somehow.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
All right, now, what has happened with Elon mass.

Speaker 15 (20:02):
Gosh, you know, I'm trying to think back to maybe
it was six months ago you had somebody on your
show Good.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Try, Okay, So what happened was what was the date
it was? It was November the twentieth of November twenty
twenty four when one Dan Mitchison made this prediction.

Speaker 15 (20:19):
I think in six months from now, we're going to say, hey,
whatever happened to that bromance and he's.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
Going to be on to somebody else. Honestly, I think
that's where.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Yeah, So let me just count one of him. December January, February,
March April, so you're just a month out but that's
pretty good.

Speaker 15 (20:33):
That is that is yeah, Actually, I mean it was
only a matter of time. I mean, he sat down
for this big interview with CBS Sunday morning, it's going
to be that's going to be airing, and he says,
you know, he agrees with a lot of what the
administration does, but he says he also has a difference
of opinion, and he says there are things that he
doesn't entirely agree on, and I think we've seen that
more and more of the last thirty and sixty days.
But he says, it's kind of hard to bring that

(20:54):
up if you're appear to be criticizing the president, because
it's a bone of contention. And he says, I'm kind
of stuck between a rock and a hard place. I
don't want to speak up against administration, but I don't
want to take responsibility for everything that they're doing.

Speaker 6 (21:07):
So, you know, he says, I'm kind of stuck.

Speaker 15 (21:09):
And so I think these two are just sort of
having a parting of the ways, which one.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
I mean, it doesn't sound like it's terribly hostile, is it.
I mean, it doesn't sound like it's total bromance, but
it's not hostile either.

Speaker 6 (21:21):
No, No, I don't think so.

Speaker 15 (21:22):
I mean, you know, the musk wasn't going to stay
there for the entire four years, and you know, TESLA
and the board of directors right now are saying you
got to get back and focus on your number one
priority because you know, stock and sales are down, you know,
thirty forty percent right now.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
So I think that's what he's going to be turning
his attention to.

Speaker 15 (21:39):
But you know, there's definitely, I think, been a little
bit more tension in the last few months than there
was back in November and December in the early part
of this year between the two. But I'm glad, you know,
every once in a while, unlike what my kids might
say or even my wife on occasion, I can be.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Right about so almost right, almost right.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
Yeah, almost right, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Now, these three of a mmicals have been found in
American beer. How do they end up there?

Speaker 15 (22:04):
Well, I mean ninety five percent of beers that they
tested had these synthetic chemicals in them, and they're basically
coming in from the water that's used to brew beer.
I mean they're called forever chemicals, and the Environmental Protection
Agency had established a limit for them in drinking water.
And then researchers said, well, wait a minute, this isn't
good because they're linked to cancer and thyroid disease and

(22:26):
liver damage and fertility problems, and so they're testing in
certain parts of the country right now. I think North
Carolina had the highest number.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Of these toxins.

Speaker 15 (22:34):
And bottom line is it means the standard of water
filtration over here right now for some of these systems
and breweries is not effective enough. And it means we
need better ways to treat our water, and not just
you know, breweries, but also at local water plants that
we're drinking here and there. And I'll have to go
back when you were talking about the best water, The
best water ever comes out of a host tap. In
my opinion, I still as a kid I look back

(22:56):
on that. I think that's the best tasting water.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Ran Dan. It tastes like a like the hose though
oh no, no, no, Dad, no time.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Dan.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
It tastes like the hose, which means that you like
the taste of the hose.

Speaker 15 (23:13):
Well, it's better than the one of your listeners was
saying the sewage or they had a natty taste. I mean,
I'll take the hose over that any deal.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Well, I think we all would. Okay, that's kind of weird,
but I love that. Dan Mitchison always an odd man?
Are you is? Correspondent? That hoes always it always, because
especially in the summer a it's been like that hose
has been sitting there cooking. You know what I'm talking
about it? You know when you drink like you get
the kids, You get the kids. You give the kids
the little rubbery cups and plates and stuff so they
don't smash everything while while they're busy pretending to eat

(23:43):
and you drink something out of it. I can taste
yesterday's RaRo in this water, do you know what I mean?
And it's the same thing with the hose, isn't it.
That hose has been sitting there in the summer in
the baking sun, and it's just it's just cooked up,
a nice little hose taste. And then you put the
water through it, you taste that hose. You absolutely weirdo Dan? Anyway,
Heather Madame toussad is pronounced two sword, a bit like

(24:06):
two sword or two moored. If you get my drift,
do you know what, Terry don't care if there's one
thing that you need to know about the show is
that French pronunciation. In fact, any kind of pronunciation that's
not English is just at your leisure if you want,
at your discretion. I don't try to. Sometimes sometimes we
nail it. Sometimes it's the old puke corche. Sometimes just

(24:28):
lazy pikakoe, you know what I mean. Sometimes we're like, m,
look at that croissant delicious. Sometimes just croissant seven blanc.
You know what I mean, because guess what we're speaking.
That's right English. Sixteen away from.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
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Speaker 3 (24:47):
Jason Wall's our political editors with us. Hey, Jason Afternoon
has It's the big switch over this weekend from win
Winston Peters to David Seymour and this. But a lot
has been made about whether things are going to change.
But I don't think much is going to change to you.

Speaker 16 (24:59):
Most people that are not. In fact, everybody living outside
of the Beltway won't. It'll be exactly the same, and
maybe a few people inside the Beltway will be able
to detect some small little differences. But I mean, listen.
Winston Peters has been the Deputy Prime Minister for eighteen
months and the world hasn't fallen to pieces. Everything has
been relatively fine. He's done exactly what he said he's
going to do as the Deputy Prime Minister. And I

(25:21):
think one part of this is that Winston sticks so
religiously to that coalition agreement that I know there was
some scuttle bug about him wanting to maybe potentially look
at another election or a snap election. All nonsense. Winston
is he sticks to that coalition agreement and he sticks
to it like it is the legal document that it is.
It's interesting though, because Seymour has taken some heat from

(25:42):
the likes of Chris Hipkins saying how he's going to
take the country backwards, etc.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Etc.

Speaker 16 (25:46):
Fill in the blanks here, But speaking to Chelsea Daniels
on the Front Page podcast, Seymour returned fire and in
quite an interesting way that only I think David Seymour could.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
Would you roll out working with Hipkins?

Speaker 17 (25:58):
Well, the difference is I don't need to say it. Look,
I mean this is a guy who was the police
minister when the crime got out of control. He was
in charge of the COVID response, which speaks for itself.
He was the Minister of Education when kids stopped going
to school on Mass and he was the Minister of

(26:18):
Health when the health budget went up sixty percent and
the outcomes got worse. So you know, this guy has
got the opposite of the Midas touch. I think they
call him a Pooh Midas and he's suddenly done some damage.

Speaker 16 (26:30):
It's just it's such a silly little comment. But it's
just it's David Seymour to a t, you know. So, no,
the world is not gonna set on fire on Saturday
tomorrow when Seymour takes over. In fact, you probably won't
notice a difference.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Hey, what is this bill? It just explained to me
what this bill around the deep fake AI content is
going to do.

Speaker 16 (26:48):
It's an interesting one. So it's Laura McClure.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
So you might not have heard of her before.

Speaker 16 (26:52):
She's a relatively new act MP, and she's got this
member's bill in the ballot, so it doesn't really have
at the moment much of a chance of being pulled.
The bill is to expand existing laws around revenge porn
and intimate recordings to ensure that those who produce or
share deep fakes without the consent of the person involve
face criminal accountability, and it would also ensure that the

(27:13):
victims of this have a clear pathway to seek redress
and removal of said harmful content. Now, Laura spoke about
this a few weeks ago in the house and she
did something rather unusual when she was speaking, have a listen.

Speaker 18 (27:26):
This image as a naked image of me, but it
is not real. This image is what we call a
deep faith. It took me less than five minutes to
make a series of deep fakes of myself.

Speaker 16 (27:42):
So it was quite the scene in the house as
she stood up with an A three photo and held
up this naked photo of herself. It was blurred so
you couldn't see anything. So it was and it was
and listen, you might be asking, why haven't I heard
about this before. It came like a couple of hours
after Brook van Velden dropped the sea bomb in the house,
so it was kind of swept under the rug. But
I thought it was quite a good speed and quite
good to shine light on something like this because it

(28:03):
was quite a moment in terms of she just said,
you know, I made this in a couple of minutes,
and then she kind of talked about how she'd been
contract contacted by numerous families and young people who have
been victim of these sorts of deep facts.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Have a listen for the victims.

Speaker 18 (28:17):
It is degrading and devastating. It even gives me that
it having to stand here in Parliament and hold up
a photo of myself knowing that it's not me, but
that it looks exactly like her need.

Speaker 16 (28:29):
So her struggle now is it's in the member's ballot,
which is the Biscuit ten, where somebody draws it out
at random, so it could sit there for years. But
she's she's going behind the scenes asking a number of
members from other political parties to support it, and she
only needs sixty one non executive MPs that is non member,
non minister rather members of Parliament to support her to

(28:50):
actually get it onto the debate and bypass the Biscuit
ten altogether, or it could be picked up as a
government bill. However, the Justice Minister said that this is
not their intention at this time. So I think it's
a great initiative and as she says it only it
only takes a couple of lines being added into the
Crimes Act to actually stop this from happening, and I
think as we see the rise of these deep fakes

(29:13):
and these AI videos, I think it's something that we
really seriously need to be looking at.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
What's the coalition's reluctance to back it. I mean, it
seems to me it could potentially be the bandwidth that
it takes to do this when they already have a
very very high workload. It could be the police resources
that would be tied up, do you know, I don't.

Speaker 16 (29:29):
All I got from the Minister's office is it's not
our intention at this time, and I'm hoping we've with
talking about it like this, we put it a little
bit more pressure on the government to actually give a
good answer and actually saying you know, I think it's
a good use of the government's time in Parliament's time.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
All right, Jason, thanks very much, appreciate your time. We'll
wrap the political week that was later on in the
show that's Jason Wool's our political leaders are. It's eight
away from five.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast.

Speaker 19 (29:56):
So the Ministry of d has been given the directive
to prosecute parents who let their kid attendant suffers able
Seymour as the Associate Minister of Education.

Speaker 20 (30:03):
What's the prosecution.

Speaker 21 (30:04):
Well, basically, a school will go to the Ministry of
Education say look, we've got someone that they're not a can't,
they're a won't. We've tried, we've gone out, we've engaged
with them, are basically giving us the little finger and
saying educations are important and you've got no right to
demand that my kid enrolls and attends to school. In
that case, the Ministry of Education will weigh it up
and if it stacks up and you can find thirty

(30:24):
bucks a day, up to three hundred dollars initially for
a repeat offending, the file on parents can be three
thousand dollars.

Speaker 19 (30:30):
Back Tuesday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with
the rain drove of the lame news talk ZB.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Whither you are wrong. Things will change when Seymour takes
office because he will give lux and hell because Luxeon
is two woke. I tend to disagree with that. I
think he's already given lux in a fair amount of
time of hell, to be honest, But we'll talk about
that later on now on the AI. And this is
the deep fake thing that Jason was just talking about.
I think I I'm just hazarding a guess, but I

(30:57):
would imagine that the reason that the government's not doing
anything about this is because this is the potential to
tie up a huge amount of police resource. And as
we've seen, the thin blue light, the blue light front
line is stretched so thin. It really is the thin
thinnest of thin blue lines. At the moment, they can't
even deal with burglaries or thefts, rather shoplifting under five
hundred dollars, right, so there's how on earth are they

(31:18):
going to be able to deal with deep fakes? And
these things are just I mean, it's just have you
used AI? Because Jason Paris from One end Z was
raving about it so much earlier this week when I
did a panel with him that I decided to pay
get myself the chat GPT and pay for it. It's
forty dollars a month. That's so like, come on, that
is so expensive for anything on your phone. But anyway,

(31:39):
I paid for it because I thought I wanted to
help me with the gardening, all right, So I took
a photo. I know mum stories, so it took a
photograph of the garden and I sent it to chat
GPT and I was like, what can I do to
this garden to add more texturans? Come through with all
these things. Anyway, I've been just going nuts on chat GPT,
So you know, all I need to do is take
a photo of the German and then put it through
the chat GPT and I'll have a deep fake naked's photo, right,

(32:02):
Like That's how simple. It is, just so unbelievably fast
and just so accurate. Anyway, Anyway, what they decided to
do was that the producers decided to see how how
well the AI could impersonate me. So they ran me
through the chat GPT. Hello, it's me, how the duplessy allen?
And look I was wrong. Instant coffee is actually disgusting. Now,

(32:23):
filter coffee, that's the good stuff. Love a fresh cup
of filter or drip coffee in the morning, ain't no
bad ah. So it's got it differently, has the cadence.
Its nailed how how I speak, and it snailed how
I sound like the tombre of my voice. But the
accent is a bit funny. They tried to get the
accent to change just be a little bit less. Was
that I don't know what the American British. I don't know, Jacinda,

(32:46):
Iden was right. We should have locked down for COVID
and in fact we should have locked down for longer.
If you ask me, I'm sorry, Jacinda, You're the best
Prime minister we've got. Did God kill it immediately? Sam?
Why could they not get me to sound like a
Kiwi happened? Don't they have the Kiwi accent? They don't
have a New Zealand accent and chat GPT yet. Okay,
well it won't take a lot. Check back in a

(33:07):
week and it'll be there. It also could be a
lot of it as the user is how the user
uses it. Well, you know, we'll just leave it there anyway.
Phil Goff is with us next on what to do
about Israel and Gaza, and then we'll have a chat
about the truancy. Think the educators don't love this, as
you can imagine news talks that.

Speaker 14 (33:25):
Best questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
Heather Duplessy on.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Be afternoon, pull a Foreign Minister and High Commissioner to London.
Phil Goff says New Zealand needs to do more than
just use words to deal with the humanitarian crisis unfolding.
And right now, Phil GoF has written an opinion piece
today accusing Israel of committing war crimes, and he's calling
for sanctions. He's with us now, Phil, Yeah, hi, how
are you? I'm well, thank you? Are sanctions even in

(34:11):
our phil to change what Israel is doing as fast
as it needs to change.

Speaker 12 (34:16):
Well, probably nothing is enough. The only thing that would
really move Israel as if the Trump administration was to
say no more. But unfortunately the president's not doing that.
He's in fact put sanctions not against Israel but against
the judges on the International Criminal Court that found that

(34:36):
and Yaho guilty of war crimes. And you know, far
from stopping what appears to be now genocide, moving people
out of their homes, out of their homeland, out of
the Gaza all together, he's encouraging that, saying we should
send them to Libya and let's make this the riviera
of the Middle East.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Change so unbelievable. I think things have rapidly changed in
the last of weeks, haven't they. So why when you
are faced with what we are seeing on television every
night at the moment of children starving. Why is the
US not doing anything about it? Do you think.

Speaker 12 (35:11):
I don't think the US cares about the Palestinians. The
Israelis clearly don't care about the fact that you know,
they've killed seventeen thousand kids, that's a conservative estimate. They've
probably nimed forty or fifty thousand kids. They don't Their
goal is now clear. The extremists are in charge of Israel.

(35:31):
This is not the Israel that I spent time on
in when I was young, on kibbutzim. This is an
Israel that wants that don't believe they are living there
in the Palestinian areas have any rights. They want them out.
They want the whole territory and making life as difficult
and as horrible as possible for the people that are

(35:52):
still there. And it does it breaks your heart to
see those pictures that we see nightly from the comfort
of our living rooms at home in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Do you think is the endgame? I mean, is the
point here basically to clear out Gaza so that there
are no Palestonias nommas there.

Speaker 12 (36:06):
Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have said that probably a
year ago or six years ago, but I believe that
that now is the end game. And people like Ben Gavere,
the National Security Minister, and smot Rich who's the Minister
of Finance. These people are really extreme. You know, Ben
Gavere has been convicted in the past of, you know,

(36:29):
urging the elimination of the Arabs. You know, you saw
marches through Jerusalem last weekend where people where Jewish people
were chanting kill the Arabs. Now that's not all Jewish people.
There's a lot of good people in Israel that think
that what's happening here is wrong. And in the article
I quoted the former Prime Minister of Israel who Erhood

(36:50):
almut who came from Natana, who's own party, and he
talked about the indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians.
So people within Israel understand that what Detanyahu's basically doing
is fighting for his not only his political life, but
his freedom because he knows that he will face criminal

(37:11):
charges for corruption when he ceases to be prime minister.
The people that are in charge of that place now
are extreme in every way, and what they're doing is
totally intolerable. So it's up to us now to take
whatever steps we can. We're a small nation, but in
the past we've worked with other countries, you know, like

(37:32):
Ireland and Sweden. They are both calling for sanctions against Israel.
If the UU put sanctions against Israel, that's a third
of Israel's total trade. That will hurt Israel. If we
were to put sanctions not just against the extremist settlers
that our government has put sanctions against, but against the
political leadership of Israel, then we could make a difference.

(37:54):
If we were to stand up in the UN and
lead rather than simply follow, that would also make a difference.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Thank you for your time. I appreciated Phil goth former
Minister of Foreign Affairs, obviously former Commissioner High Commissioner to London.
By the way, his replacement has just been announced, Hamish
Cooper will take the job in September.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
Ever do for Cee Ellen.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Ministry of Education is going to start prosecuting parents of
kids who aren't attending school. Prosecution will be considered for
any student who misses fifteen days or more in a
single school term, which frankly as a lot to miss.
Vaughan quire is Papatoy toy's high school high school's principle
and with us now have one.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Hey here the welcome back, hope everything's all right.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Domestically, yes, it is, thank you, that's why worn obviously, yes, oh.

Speaker 11 (38:37):
You of course it's the easier part.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Absolutely, Listen, tell me do you support this?

Speaker 4 (38:42):
In certain circumstances, something like a prosecution could be appropriate,
But it's all about the journey that gets you there,
So certainly wouldn't be the first part of call because
it's not the way to build a meaningful learning relationship
in terms of his a fiscal or other sort of penalty.
But it could be appropriate and certain extreme circumstances.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Which extreme circumstances well.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
Mostly probably where the grown up is at fault and
not the kid. So where you've got young children where
the parents are refusing to engage in what is the
lawful obligation to test send kids to school in any capacity?

Speaker 20 (39:23):
Is it's probably appropriate.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Where you've got a thirteen year old where the parents
are desperate to get the kid to Schoolhere they keep
turning left and going to the mall as opposed to
right to the school. Probably not appropriate. That's more of
a learning conversation. But Yeah, that's an example where maybe
the parents of an eight year old just refuse to
engage with anybody or anything.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Do you and these people do exist? Do you have
some at your school?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
No, I haven't hit anyone that extreme. We have got
some school refusing students. But where the grown ups are
actively engaged in trying to get their students to school,
so that there doesn't seem to any advantage in fiscally
penalizing a parent who is actively trying to do their best.
It's where the student and the parent are actively trying
to avoid the system where a fiscal penalty could be

(40:11):
could be advantageous. But those of I have you yet
to stumble across one in my career?

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Okay, hey Vaughan, thank you very much, really appreciate you time. Mate,
Vaughn cure your Pappatoy Toy high School principle.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
Ever doopers al?

Speaker 3 (40:24):
I stumbled across one of these parents recently, In fact,
I did. I'm going to tell you. Yeah, I'll tell
you about it. Let me just write this down. Parent,
tell you because I forget everything now because I have
a newborn, so I have no baby brainer set and
I will remember to tell you before the half past.
You're gonna want to hear this. One ACC's chair though
just quickly has quit Tracy Batton. Now Tracy Batton took
over as chair after Steve Mahari in two thousand and

(40:46):
three in December. This is interesting only because of all
of the things going down at ACC at the moment.
So we as in the question is is Tracy leaving
because Tracy has more important things to do, like spend
time with family in Australia or as leaving which she
didn't like what's going on at ACC. We'll talk to
the minister after six about it. But also the same
minister is responsible. Do you remember, I think it was

(41:08):
yesterday on the show we talked about how the government
is legislating to protect two big Aussie banks. Right there
is one hundred and seventy thousand kiwis taking class action
against two bossie banks. Basically they owe the kiwi's money.
The government has now introduced this introduced changes to the
Triple CFA legislation that will retrospectively wipe the fines the

(41:28):
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Speaker 5 (42:25):
Heather Duples see Allen either just wondering.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Why neither you nor Phil Goff posed the question as
to whether the war would end of hamas release the hostages.
I'll get back to that in a tech Jane, thank
you for asking the question. Listen eighteen past five. Round
of applause for Timaru because the South Canterbury town has
the best tap water in the country, as judged by
a panel of judges at the National Water Taste Test
competition last night. Nigel Bowen is Timaru's mayor.

Speaker 20 (42:49):
Hello, Nigel, good evening, how are you well?

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Thank you? Am I right in thinking you guys have
won this three out of the last six times.

Speaker 22 (42:56):
Yeah, that's right. We've done pretty well across different order
supply as well, which has been really good.

Speaker 20 (43:01):
So you know, the team, are you mixing it up?

Speaker 3 (43:04):
You're not even just going in with the same water
supply every time. You're trying it all out.

Speaker 22 (43:08):
We're mixing it out there. The team have got confidence
that they can put any of our water supplies in,
so they have mixed it up over the years. So
three different water supplies have one.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
When you drink a glass of Timaru water as opposed
to other water around the country in the world as
you travel, do you think that's a good one?

Speaker 6 (43:25):
You look?

Speaker 22 (43:26):
You know, I'm a Timori born lad, so I think
I'm you know, lucky in the fact that we'll probably
take good water for granted, and you know, overall a
lot of New Zealand water is not too bad, but
it is pretty good, and it's sort of recognition of
both the source profile. Yeah, good, good question, it's just
perfect sort of Nature's Nigel.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
You can get water that's a little bit on the
kind of earthy side, then you can get the really
like tangy metallic stuff, which is what I go for that,
do you know what I mean? What have you guys
got on?

Speaker 21 (43:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (43:58):
Yeah, no, I actually think it's free from most of
those you know, those tastes if you like. So, I
think that's what's great about it, sort of you know,
so pure that you know that you can't get much better.
And the wonderful thing where this water supply is airport
sits on it as well, so you can fly into Timaru,

(44:18):
get get a glass of water from the airport and.

Speaker 11 (44:22):
Have a hydration holiday if you like.

Speaker 22 (44:24):
Lots of lots of opportunity.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Hey, just in terms of like actually having this stuff tested,
does does did you get any intel as to where
the water changes in the way it tastes, because presumably
you're gonna have to get it out of the source
and put it in a bottle and send it off
to wherever to be tested. Does that change its flavor?

Speaker 22 (44:42):
No, it doesn't. John Clemmons who took the sample up,
so he traveled up from Tomaru to Nelson for the competition,
so you know took it up.

Speaker 12 (44:51):
So no, not at all.

Speaker 22 (44:52):
I assume probably over a period of time, but you know,
a couple of days is fine issue.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Nigel, thanks for chatting to us about it. I really
appreci had it and well done you guys. Nigel Bowen
to Mauru's mayor. Okay, so on whether the hostages, whether
we should have discussed whether the hostages would end what's
happening in Gaza. Come on, do you actually think Hamask
cares what's happening to those children? You know, they don't.
You know, they don't if you believe, if you believe

(45:19):
what you're being told, which is that Hermas is putting
tunnels underneath hospitals, underneath kids' schools, under people's houses, using
humans essentially as body shields, does that tell you in
any way that Hermas cares what's happening to these kids. No,
of course they don't. They're not going to release They're
not They're not going to look at starving kids and
be like, you know what that needs to stop, Let
me release a hostage. That's not how these dudes behave,

(45:40):
is it. So that's absolutely redundant. Now, what we are
dealing with is exclusively people who have been caught in
the crossfire of two groups going at each other, being
the IDF and hummus. Right, these children are completely blameless,
like that's the you can who can blame a chart
and yet they're the ones suffering. So really, the only
people who hold the fate now of these children in

(46:02):
their hands are the IDF, because let's just let's call
out Kamas for what they are. There are a bunch
of terrorists with no heart, right, so you'd hope the
other side had some heart, And at this stage it
didn't feel very much like that, does it. Five point
twenty two.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen
drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth
dogs'd be five.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Twenty five listener. As we've discussed on the show, this
weekend marks the last day of Winnie and the first
day of David Seymour as the deputy Prime Minister. Now
mostly I don't actually care. I mean, I largely agree
with Jim Bolger's assessment, and obviously happy ninetieth birthday to
Jim for tomorrow. The role doesn't actually mean very much.
It's symbolic, It doesn't carry in a particular power other
than really just letting you know who's second in command.

(46:49):
But it feels like an appropriate time just to take
a moment to acknowledge, because we don't do this very often,
that it's actually very nice, isn't it to have both
of these two men in government right now, if only
to give them and that's a little bit of a
push along, you know, to actually do things from time
to time. Winston Winston strikes me right now as the
right man for the right job for right now, don't

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you think with all this nutty stuff that's going on
in the world, His huge previous experience as a foreign minister,
I think is reassuring. I feel like it's not going
overboard to say that I trust his instincts in the job.
When he gets angry with Israel. You know, it's not
for politics, it's not for performance. It's because he's actually
angry with Israel given his experience, that would be warranted

(47:31):
on David Seymour. If there's one thing that we can
truly thank him for right now, it's shifting the Overton
window so that we can and now do debate things
like the treaty principles. The Overton window is the available
is that it covers the stuff that we feel comfortable
talking about in the media and in society. He has
shifted that, so treaty principles are now firmly within the

(47:51):
Overton window, and we talk about it and we should
be able to debate it because they should not be taboo.
Things that have as much impact on our economy and
our societ, society and our lives as treaty principles and
as on our private property as well, should be up
for discussion without critics of those things being labeled racist.
And it is squarely because of acts policies that though discussion,
that those discussions are now out in the open now.

(48:13):
I don't really expect very much to change after the weekend,
other than maybe we'll see more of both men, more
of David Seymour because he'll be the deputy, and more
of Winston because he'll not be the deputy, which means
that he can act up a little bit maybe, but
either way, I think it's not a bad thing to
have both of them in there at the moment?

Speaker 5 (48:28):
Is it Togever do?

Speaker 9 (48:30):
For see?

Speaker 6 (48:30):
Ellen?

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Okay, So parents who don't said their kids to school.
So I was at a birthday party. I'm not going
to name names, but I was at a birthday party
and I met a woman and I started chatting to
the woman. She told me she has an eight year
old and eleven year old and she said that's sick.
And I said, oh, you know, commiserations. They'll be away
from school at the moment. And she said, no, they
don't go to school. And I said, oh, she's your
brave homeschooling and she said, oh no, I don't homeschool.

(48:55):
I unschool. I said, what the hell is unschooling and
she said, oh, I just let them kind of learn
at their own pace. You know, I don't teach them anything.
They just learn from the world. And I was like, well,
you're nutty, aren't you. And so I said to her,
I said, do you think that little Johnny over there
is like be And I was like, be honest with me,

(49:15):
do you think that little Johnny, when little Johnny reaches
the age of sixteen, will little Johnny be able to
read as well as all the sixteen year olds that
went to school. And she was like, yeah, totally. And
I was like, oh great, can you read now? No,
so Levin can't read? That person deserves a fine. Don't
you think that's what that's for? Headline steps not.

Speaker 20 (49:33):
To celebrate.

Speaker 9 (49:37):
Away.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.
It's Heather due to see Ellen drive with One New
Zealand let's get connected news talksa'd be.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Hugging Barnas and flowers.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
My name and said, I just to ride with Peter
Lewis out of Asia for us in about an hour's time,
just to talk through everything that's happening, especially of course
with regards to Trump's tariffs.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Right now, it's twenty four away from six now. It
has been more than seventy years since Sir ed summit
at Everest, but it's the first time that we've actually
sent a foreign minister to Nepaul. And of course it's
Winston Peters, Sir Ed's grandson. Alexander. Hillary is with us
from Nepaul.

Speaker 9 (50:19):
Hey, Alex, Hey, how are you doing.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I'm very well.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
You guys got some celebrations going on at the moment.

Speaker 13 (50:25):
Yeah, Look, it's been absolutely incredible. We're up here high
on Himalaya's sort of near Mount Everest. It's a beautiful day.
I'm looking out the window right now and there's a
monk burning juniper and beautiful mountains. And we had an
incredible celebration yesterday.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
What did you do? Did it involve whiskey?

Speaker 13 (50:42):
It didn't involve whiskey, but there was a little taste
of chug, which is a rice bear. So when the
minister arrived, we actually had a welcome by the local
women's group and they did a Jagata pinche, which is
essentially a beautiful chant, and at the end of it
there's an offering of changy, So the minister and a
few of us took a little sip of that, which

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was very nice.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
You're not making Winston climb at all, are you.

Speaker 13 (51:07):
No, we're not no climbing involved, but you know, being
in the Himalayas altitude and sort of you know, the
complications of that are a part of it. So we
were up at you know, not that far off, four
thousand meters, so pretty high up in Himalayas, and we're
in Kundy and Kongjong Village, which is a really significant
village for the Himalayan Trust. So it's where all our
works started. And we were just amazed and really delighted that,

(51:30):
you know, the Minister and the High Commissioner of the
Ambassador came all the way up to see the projects
that we've been working on there for about sixty years.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Listen, I speaking of significance, how significant is it to
have a foreign minister come.

Speaker 13 (51:43):
Well, look, I think it's it's hugely significant. So New
Zealand and Nepal have had a pretty unique relationship for
you know, since the nineteen fifties, since nineteen fifty three,
and I think you know, a lot of Kiwis feel
a great kinship for Nepal and if you've been here,
it's an incredibly sort of enticing place. It's just fantastic.
And I think, you know, to have that connection, to

(52:06):
have that acknowledgment of that special relationship with the Deputy
Prime Minister and the Minister Foreign Affairs come is incredibly special.
And the fact that he came up I guess to
sort of the home of the Himalayan Trust, and Ed's
relationship up here in the Himalayas is very special. The
Himalayan Trust has worked with the New Zealand government for decades.
I don't exactly know when it began, but it's quite

(52:29):
possibly since the nineteen sixties, and we've worked together on projects, education,
healthcare and different things. So it's a long standing partnership
which is sort of now called the New Zealand International
Development Cooperation. And I think, you know, Winston's acknowledgment of
that partnership over many many years is really significant.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah, good stuff. Hey, enjoy yourself and thank you so
much for chatting to us. It's Alexander Hillary, so edmun
Hillary's grandson here that they should change the name of
the holiday called King's Birthday day King's Birthday to Edmund
Hillary Day. He's one of our own and the king,
And you know what, I don't hate that. Twenty one
away from six.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
The Friday Sports title with New Zealand Southurby's International Realty
Find You're one of a kind.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
When two people are running at each other under these
run at style conditions, the impact forces are like jumping
off the roof of your house on your front. So
that's the level of trauma that your body is experiencing.

Speaker 8 (53:26):
I like to have chunks of rapid pooty New Zealand
player Samoa Tama all play in the middle of the year.

Speaker 13 (53:31):
Why origins on I don't know any other code in
the world where.

Speaker 11 (53:34):
You would just rip out their best players to go
climb for someone else.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
There's a little trick playoff of the day looking for
the try. Oh that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Look it doesn't contravene any more that I can think of,
so it's.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
A try sports title of us. This evening we have
Elliott Smith, Newstalks Zbbes rugby editor and Claywell's and Newstalg
Zibbie sports news director. Hello lads, evening evening, Right Elliott,
what do we do with the run it?

Speaker 23 (53:56):
Well, we shouldn't have to make it illegal. It should
be common sense that two blokes or two ladies running
into each other at.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
High stats don't do this kind of stand well because.

Speaker 23 (54:05):
Their brains are fully formed idiots running at each other. Unfortunately,
we've seen the darkest of consequences as a result this week.
But really it should be common sense that you shouldn't
run full tilt to each other, shouldn't need a law
being inacted. But hey, if that's going to be what
stops it, But it's not. It's no because it's going

(54:26):
to it would stop the events being held, you know
that the official events. But two people in a park.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Or diet wasn't an official event.

Speaker 23 (54:34):
A Facebook event and people are still going to turn up.
So I don't think banning it would have any impact.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
What the boy who died, Clay, his uncle said that
what we should do is have rugby league and rugby
stars come out and talk about it and sort of
set an example. Would that change things, do you think?
Or would it actually make hypocrites of them because they
run at each other for money?

Speaker 8 (54:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (54:52):
I think so.

Speaker 11 (54:52):
I mean, you could argue that rugby rugby league that
these sports it's a lot more controlled environment. While it
does happen, the chances are perhaps a lot lower than
something like this where you're actually, you know, deliberately running
straight into each other. But maybe, I mean, these people
look up to these kind of things, and I tend
to think that these official events might have had something

(55:13):
to do with what's happened, you know, like, if that
wasn't out there on social media, people aren't seeing that, right.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
So I think there's been a direct link being drawn there.

Speaker 11 (55:21):
So perhaps if we can find a way to legislate
against these things being officially held. But that was the
discussion we were having in the office this week, is like, well,
how do you actually stop people from doing this? If
I organized six guys and someone else organized six guys
and we wanted down to Victoria Park, what law is
there actually for the police to say, well, you can't
do that. There isn't one, right, so you know there's
going to be have to be some wheels in motion.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
And then also the other thing to consider is that,
I mean, gosh, the cops are so busy already trying
to protect bad guys, protect us from bad guys. Do
they really need to protect us from ourselves.

Speaker 23 (55:52):
They probably don't need to be patrolling local parks trying
to stop be like lockdown all over again, trying to
break up sort of little bubbles and gatherings and go.
I think that looks like it run it straight if
you know, it's play again. So yeah, exactly, So I
don't think the cops need to be worried with it.
But really it takes even if you take a step
back and go, what am I doing here? And should

(56:13):
I be running full tilt at someone I know? Is
someone I don't know? Probably not?

Speaker 3 (56:17):
You know, just use your brains, people, Lord it looks rough. Hey,
what do you make Clay of what Andrew Webster said,
which was that we need to take the state of
origin out of the middle of the NRL season.

Speaker 11 (56:28):
It's one of those ideas that's great in theory but
in practice a lot more difficult to put into place. Well,
because the NRL is a massive commercial beast, right, and
who controls that commercial beast? It's the broadcast is essentially right,
the NRL is run by the NRL and the ARL,
but that they are dictated to by what broadcasters want
to do. And broadcasters love having a long season and

(56:51):
they love having state of origin and those two have
to meld together in a certain way. Now, how do
you work around that? I mean, I don't know, because
you have to either extended the set the season, you know,
the competition, yeah, or find some other way to fit
these in, but also not have not have the state
of origin teams mean, the NRAL teams mess out yeah, so, yeah,

(57:12):
it's not an easy problem to solve.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Is it even really a problem though, Elliott? I mean,
don't we aren't we used to this? We have we
have the all black players resting on Super rugby games.

Speaker 23 (57:22):
That is a bit, but to an extent, this is
worse because you're dragging out I think this saw the
statua was you know, thirty six players state of origin,
a whole lot of players on buyers last week as well.
It did weaken the NRL slate last weekend. And you're
trying to talk up the NRAL and what a great
competition is. But for six rounds in the middle of
the season, when you're supposed to be having the best
players coming to their peak of their form, you take

(57:43):
them out and go and play something else. Yeah, no
other competition does that. So they need to find a way.
And look, they're going to expand the in our even further.
But that may actually be the answer. Is that once
you get to nineteen teams you had in the pupa
new Guinea team, the Perth Bears and whoever else you
can actually go to, everyone plays ever once and then
because at the moment there's twenty seven rounds that it
would be say, twenty rounds. You throw in a couple

(58:04):
of buys, there's your break. That's six weeks that you
found that the competition can pause for you play if
your kiwis test against some more Fiji, Tonga whoever else
might want to play.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
So you're thinking, logically, sorry, do these guys think.

Speaker 23 (58:16):
Running and run straight at anyone? So no, they don't,
because again, it's product for the broadcasters. There was still
five games of nrroll last week. Yes, it was that
week in quality and the Panthers and the Warriors and
everyone else lost players, but there were still five games
that people sat on their couches and watched. And that's
what the broadcasters want. At the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Where is it going to be okay this week? Aren't
they play?

Speaker 21 (58:36):
Well?

Speaker 11 (58:37):
Yeah, the Warriors might be okay, but the Warriors are
one of the teams that aren't usually that impacted by it.
But we were discussing this and you know, I'm sure
there's teams that have missed out on the top eight
or missed out on top four because of a game
or two they might have lost in this period when
they lost players to state of origin. So yell, it
was even telling me a story about Wayne Bennett, the
famous coach, said that he believes he's lost he.

Speaker 23 (58:57):
Was premierships because he hasn't had his best players and
he's been a number of clubs and because he hadn't
as best players during the origin period of lost games,
and that's meant they haven't finished his high on the
table and then had to play away from home or
a tougher opposition and they haven't won premierships because of it.
So it is weakening the competition for another competition entirely.
I just do not get it now.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
I wasn't asking you if the Warriors are going to
be okay because of the state of origin, because that
would be that would be like you'd be like, who
are you and what do you not know about rugby league?
That to g asking this question, I was meaning, other
Warriors going to be okay? Playing this week? Are they
going to win well?

Speaker 11 (59:30):
I mean, I don't know. The NRL is so unpredictable
at the moment, it's hard. It's hard to even more
unpredictable than usual. But you know they're a team that's
playing well, would I like bet on it? No, they're
playing last week. I'm playing the rabbit O's, who are
a team that's going. Okay, they they're below them on
the table. But you know, I just, I mean, certainly
I'm not a big betting man, but if I was,

(59:50):
I don't think I would be throwing NRL or the
Warriors into my weekly multi okay that often? Because I
just it's not.

Speaker 23 (59:56):
That we have thirty years of the Warriors. Just when
you I think they're on the up, they tear you
right down again.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I know, never get your hopes up because they'll dash it.
All right, We'll take a break. Come back to you guys.
Fourteen away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
The Friday Sports Hurdle with New Zealand Southby's International.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
Realty, the ones with local and global.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Reach back with the sports Hittle Clay and Elliott with me. Clay,
here's a good one from Mark. Boxing and MMA is legal,
so you can't ban one without the other. So we
if we let people hit each other in the head
and kick each other in the head, then why don't
we want them to run at each other?

Speaker 21 (01:00:27):
Wow?

Speaker 11 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I mean I get the argument, but I still
think that like boxing for example, is a more controlled environment.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yes, it's risk versus risk and skill right. So with boxing,
at least you've got some skill and you've got something
going on there and then occasionally you get a big
smash in the head, whereas these guys are guaranteed to
smash in the head frequently and the other thing is
a skill.

Speaker 11 (01:00:47):
They're not wearing any protection on their heads. And that's
what you think, right, when two big bodies come together,
you think of the injury is going to be when
your head's alied, right, And we see it happen in
rugby and those kind of sports as an accident. But
this is this is designing the proportion of when it's
going to happen is lightly to be quite high.

Speaker 23 (01:01:04):
And you're bracing for contact when you're in the boxing
ring or the UFC, and this you were bracing to
hit each other. You're not bracing to protect yourself from
the contact. You actually actively seeking this hit against the
other person. So and in the boxing UFC have medical
officials there, form mates down the park running it straight
at each other, they're not going to have the local self.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I mean, I guess we need to accept that every
sport is somewhere on a continuum of low risk to
high risk.

Speaker 23 (01:01:28):
Right If one people have died in that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
You know, this is just really high risk and without
any real kind of benefit to It's just bizarre. Anyway, Anyway,
I need to ask you about Gary Steed, Elliott, what's
going on?

Speaker 6 (01:01:39):
Is he is?

Speaker 14 (01:01:39):
He?

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Is it the end?

Speaker 23 (01:01:40):
It sounds like it's the end for Gary Stead. Now
we don't exactly know whether he decided it was the
end or where New Zealand Cricket decided it was the end,
because when he stepped back a couple of months back
and said, oh, I'm going to take some time out,
I might want to coach the red ball, probably don't
want to do all the formats anymore. He hasn't spoken since,
we haven't heard from him, but New Zealand Cricket, by
the sound of it, offered interview to a couple of

(01:02:00):
applicants today and Gary Stead was not among them. So
that would suggest that Gary Steed's time as Black Caps
coaches over and probably that they want one coach to
lead all three formats of the game. So that would
be the end of Gary Stead, isn't I mean, how
are we going.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
To remember him, Clay, because he seems to me like
whichever way you look at him, you can draw your
own conclusion. He was incredibly successful in terms of what
he managed to achieve. But at the same time, jeez,
there were some rough periods, weren't there.

Speaker 24 (01:02:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:02:24):
I think early on there was perhaps a perception that
he was piggybacking off what Brenda McCallum and Mike Hessen
had created and that successful kind of squad that team.
But then the team has dipped a couple of times
since then and then come back and had success again,
so you can't really argue against that. And as the
head coach, you know, without being in a sanctum of
the team, he's obviously had a significant contribution to that.

(01:02:45):
So it is kind of a because the team has
been a bit up and down, it's hard to look back,
but you know, we don't have a lot of resources
compared to all these other big nations, and he's led
the team to some success. So I mean, he's got
to be a pretty decent cricket coach. I would have
thought it's such just.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Some remarkable success. Hey, listen, we haven't got very long.
I just want to know from you guys really quickly.
What if they're do a carpety decided in the terms
of the club rugby. If you do anything that's naughty,
you're out right. They're really taking a tough stance. Should
others do the same thing.

Speaker 23 (01:03:13):
Absolutely, This should be a blanket thing across the country
if you're going to and it would be one way
to stamp thing out if there's not gonna be any
club rugby next weekend because someone acts out, someone has
a crack at the referee.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
I'm all for it. The more they can do it,
you know, okay with a bit of lip.

Speaker 23 (01:03:27):
No, it depends where the line is, you know, come on,
reefar kip one side. That's fine, you know which is
what they're just approaching the line, but probably it's on
the right side of it. You've got you got to
draw the line somewhere. Yes, and I think that got
on hold if a carpandy for doing so, and you
know more unied should do it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I suppose if you're standing there and having to
listen to you being a bloody idiot, that's not okay?
Is it clay in the lounge?

Speaker 11 (01:03:51):
And also, you know, like these people are volunteers. Like
if you're a paid professional at a super rugby game,
say it eat in park you might expect, you know
where you're glass is rare for or something like this,
or you know even the odd swear word to do,
but you know you've been paid to do it. But
in the amateur ranks, I just think, you know, we
want to encourage as many people to be involved in
sport and we need official We.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Take it very seriously, don't we really take it?

Speaker 6 (01:04:13):
Don't we?

Speaker 11 (01:04:13):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah, like too seriously. It's just sport, all right, guys.
It's really lovely to have a pair of you in
the studio. Thank you so much. Enjoy your week in
a sport. That's Elliot Smith and Clay Wilson our sports huddle.
Seven away from six it's the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
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Speaker 9 (01:04:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
The thing is headgear doesn't help. It's the brain moving
in the skull, so even with headgear, the impact can
be enough to cause concussions. Absolutely bang on and you
know you're right. They're five away from six. We're going
to be talking to Scottsson. Just a reminder Commerce Minister
and also ac Seminister after six about this business with
the legislator legislating away the fines of the banks just
been revealed that the police have now launched an investigation

(01:04:55):
to try to figure out how many complaints about shoplifting
were filed after that memo was sent. So how many
of them? You know, when the memo was sent, was
like anything under five hundred dollars, just file it, don't
do anything about it, drives away with the petrol under
one hundred and fifty, just file it. They want to
figure it. And that was sent in March and we
are now in May. They want to figure out how
many times this happened. In the meantime, I hope that

(01:05:17):
they actually released that information. We'll talk to Jason Woolf's
a political edit to wrap the political week. That was
when he's with us shortly. Have a chat about that.
Now someone had to complain, didn't they. They had to
complain about the Tina from Turner's ad the line and
you knew they were going to complain about it when
you heard the line the first time, you got so
fat the seats don't fit. They've complained about it. There

(01:05:40):
were two complaints to the Advertising Standards Authority because of
fat shaming. The first complaint said a significant percentage of
kiwis are classified as obese brackets circa forty percent, and
this advertisement is a major offensive slur on fat people,
some of whom are overweight or obese through no fault
of their own due to medical conditions. I have contacted

(01:06:03):
the contact of the marketing manager at Turner's Cars, who
refuted my concerns about fat shaming and the offensiveness it
would cause to a lot of people myself included second complaint.
I feel like this complaint is to the point I
feel it is wrong saying something like that the end anyway,
Needless to say, the ASA, the Advertising Standards Authority, is

(01:06:24):
not taking that any further, and I am pleased because
even if it was offensive, and clearly to some people
it is offensive.

Speaker 21 (01:06:30):
Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
A good ad, though, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (01:06:32):
Have you watched it?

Speaker 6 (01:06:33):
Go and watch it.

Speaker 17 (01:06:34):
I think the worst part, Heather is you didn't even
sing the line. You just said it and it's already
stuck in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
How does it go in the song?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Good try You've got so fat the seats?

Speaker 17 (01:06:43):
Why aren't tell us you're a.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Sometimes I just send my brother the clip. He doesn't
understand anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:06:51):
Why I do it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
But it's just because it's so excellent though, isn't it. Anyway,
It's got some secks you used to Zibb.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
Even in. Coming up in the next hour, we'll have
a chat to Peter Lewis with news out of Asia,
will have a chat to Gavin Gray with news out
of the UK, and then Jason Wools will wrap the
political week that was at seven past six. Now, the
government's defending the move to change a law which would
protect Ossie Banks from Kiwi customers. On the show yesterday
we spoke to Scott Russell. He's a lawyer who's leading
the class action of one hundred and seventy thousand Kiwis

(01:07:41):
against ASB and A and z.

Speaker 24 (01:07:43):
Aimed At ASB is saying that generally is under the
law potentially presents an existential risk to the economy. What
we're saying is that's just simply rubbish. There's no evidence
of that, and it seems the suspicion is that by
mending the law it's just National helping out the Australian
banks in this case.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Commo's Commission, Scott's Comma's Commission. Minister scottssoners with me right now.
I don't know why we're calling you, that's Scott, You're
just a commerce minister.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
How are you?

Speaker 9 (01:08:10):
I'm all right? Thank you're here the Friday afternoon, lots
of people heading to the Coromandel.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
I hope we'll put it down there long weeking. Now,
why are you siding with the banks against the customers?

Speaker 9 (01:08:21):
Well, we're not. The banks aren't calling for this, and
that guy I just heard that replay yesterday's completely wrong.
The banks aren't calling for this, the bank's self declared,
and they've already paid out thirty five million to those
affected customers. Now that's not the point. What we're trying
to fix here is some bad law to bring it
into line with actually the existing law. So a little

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bit of history. Back in twenty fifteen, a strict liability
offense was created for lenders, and not just banks, for
credit unions, for building societies, for car finance dealers, you know,
all that sort of every kind of lender. The strict
liability was that if they made any mistake on their
documentation at all, no matter how minor, no matter how inoffensive,

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or whether it had no impact at all on the lender,
the courts could only apply a strict penalty, and the
strict penalty was to refund all the interest and all
the fees relating to that loan. Now, if you've got
a twenty five year mortgage, that's a lot of interest
and a lot of fees over that period of t

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Is it not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
In the affected period rather than over the life of
the whole loan. It's just in that period where the
information was incorrect.

Speaker 9 (01:09:31):
No, the period that we're trying to fixes between twenty
fifteen and twenty nineteen. So twenty nineteen, the then Labor
government had figured out that that was a bad piece
of law with really prescriptive and unintended consequences of a
magnitude that weren't anticipated when the law was passed in
twenty fifteen. So they fixed it in twenty nineteen, which

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was a good thing. All we're trying to do with
this is to bring that period of time between twenty
fifteen and twenty nineteen. Now, I don't know why Labour
didn't fix it back to twenty fifteen at the time,
I suspect that there were no cases live then, so
they didn't, you know, there was sort of kind of
no reason. But what the issue is now is that

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acts or omissions, no matter how minor or small, or
petty or inconsequential to the lender, the courts can only
give that penalty, which is refunding all interest in all payments.
So what we're trying to do is give the courts discretion,
as they currently have for post twenty nineteen cases, to
come to a fair and equitable judgment. We're letting the

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courts decide that the courts are the right people the
right place to decide what the appropriate penalty should be,
and weighing up the all facts.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
So these errors are not altogether petty, though, are they?
At least a couple of these errors from A Z
ANDASB have been reasonably significant in that they have A
and Z, for example, mislead customers as to how much
interest they would have to pay.

Speaker 9 (01:10:59):
That's right. So I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a lawyer,
and I'm not a judge. That's why I want to
give the judges the opportunity to assess for themselves what
the appropriate people.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
I understand something from you, Scott. When the penalty is
applied and all of the interest has to be refunded,
is it for the period of the loan where the
error was happening, let's say from twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen,
or is it for the period of the entire loan.

Speaker 9 (01:11:28):
My understanding is it's for the period of the entire loan.
So that is the risk.

Speaker 14 (01:11:32):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:11:33):
As I say, I'm not a lawyer, but the advice
I've had from MB officials who are very concerned about
this is that we just need to bring the existing law.
As I say, it was fixed in twenty nineteen, So
anything that happened after twenty nineteen, the courts can make
a decision. It's just instances that occurred between that period
between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen now, so we're just

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trying to bring that period into line with the existing
law and the ability of courts judges to make decisions
as they can today.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
What will it take the possible penalty from and then two,
what is the possible penalty at.

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
The moment, Well, the only penalty at the moment for
cases in that period of time is a refund of
all interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Yes, I understand it's worth about a few hundred million dollars.

Speaker 9 (01:12:19):
Yeah, well, there's been some estimates that it could be
several hundred million up to a billion. And the real
risk around that is not to the big banks. Actually
it's to the smaller legs making these estimates. Well, MB
advisors and you know they have been thinking about this.
And as I say, this was fixed in twenty nineteen,
so this is not a new issue.

Speaker 6 (01:12:39):
And then what does it take it down for a while?

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
So several hundred million up to a billion down.

Speaker 9 (01:12:44):
To what, Well, that will be a decision for the
courts to decide. All I'm hoping to do is give
the courts to discretion. They might decide it could be more,
but at the moment, the courts don't have any flexibility.
They can only impose one penalty. And I think it's
appropriate and fear that the courts make those decisions, not

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politicians like the court that this is in.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
The legislation for a reason. I mean, the reason that
the banks have to cough up as much as we
are telling them in this legislation to cough up is
because we want to keep them honest, right, because they
deal with huge amounts of paperwork, and you, as a borrower,
a MEA's borrow. I don't read all that stuff. So
it is I rely on the fact that they going
to be completely honest. Given the fact that these guys

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make a billion dollars plus every single year, the only
way to keep them honest is to have really big
fines and penalties coming at them. That's why it's in
the legislation, isn't it.

Speaker 9 (01:13:38):
Well, that was why it was in the original legislation,
But by twenty nineteen the government of the day had
figured out that that wasn't enough discretion to give the courts.
It was too much of a bleak.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Literally, why are you saying that something? Why do you
need to do the same thing that labour did. Labor
may have made a massive mistake here by making life farch.

Speaker 20 (01:13:57):
Labor fixed it.

Speaker 9 (01:13:58):
Labor fixed it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
Gornes of Scott alternative view on it is that labor
gave banks a free pass to behavior however they want
with their information.

Speaker 9 (01:14:07):
Well, no, because the penalties are still there, but it's
the courts that will decide the weight and the measure
of those penalties. I think that's that's where it should
be done. Let the judges decide.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
Well, would argue that, I would argue it. I would
argue that you're tying the judges hands as much as previously.
You're just tying it in a different way by saying
that the fees the finds have to be proportionate to
the loss. And in some cases these people may say
there's no loss.

Speaker 9 (01:14:33):
Well, if there's no loss, then that's a problem that
doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Surely, that no loss where you are not And that
is where you are wrong, Scott, because in some cases
there may not be a loss, But there has to
be a disincentive to the banks, doesn't there There has
to be a punishment for doing something they know they
shouldn't do.

Speaker 9 (01:14:50):
Yeah, I completely agree with you, Heather, and that's why
I think it should be the courts and the judges
that make a balanced weight to decision on what that
should be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
I've just been told that the fine is actually for
the period of the breach, not the whole loan. So
are you sure about your facts here?

Speaker 9 (01:15:07):
But the kept period of the breach is until it's corrected.
So if it hasn't been corrected.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
I come on, that is a completely different thing. I mean,
if the breach has been for eighteen months, that is
vastly different reimbursing eighteen months worth of fees compared to
twenty five years worth of mortgage.

Speaker 9 (01:15:24):
Well, as I say, I'm not a lawyer, but what
I am so responsible for it? Yes, and that's why
I want to give the courts the discretion to make
an assessment that the courts can make based on the
facts of the case's entered to them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
You just said to me before, at the very start
of this, you said, banks are not calling for this.
Have you met have you met with any banks? Have
you met with a banker's association about this?

Speaker 9 (01:15:47):
I've met with the Banker's Association and they aren't calling
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
They, as your predecessor, Andrew Bailey, who actually wrote this
into the changes, met with the banker's association or the
banks about this.

Speaker 9 (01:15:58):
I can't speak for Andrew.

Speaker 25 (01:16:00):
I've met with association, but they have I've met with Yes,
on that, don't you, I mean, come off that Why
would you people be making this change if it wasn't
for the fact that the banks wanted it?

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
Well, that's well you might think that, Heather, but I
take the view that the banks are entitled as our
credit unions, as our building societies, as our vehicle finance companies,
as are all lenders. I think that they should be
entitled to a fair and equitable judicial process, and I
want to give an opportunity for the judges to make

(01:16:32):
a decision about how impactful eras and omissions are, what
the impacts are for lenders, and what the appropriate penalties
should be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Scott, it's always good to talk to you, and I
really appreciate you spending as much time with us as
you have. Thank you for that, Scott Simson Commus finished.
The Minister meant to ask him about a sec ran
out of time text from Jordan as In Jordan Williams
of the Taxpayers Association BS that the banks aren't calling
for it. I had an opinion piece published and stuff
in within hours. I've got the banks reaching out for
me to meet the General counsel. The idea that they
aren't donkey deep lobbying is nonsense. On stilts seventeen past six.

Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Hither I think on this Bank's thing.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
You are wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
What Scott is saying makes sense. My husband would agree
with you entirely on that. Actually, we've had that debate
twenty past six now Jason Wall's News Talk, Zippie Political
Letters to Raps the Political Week. That was welcome back, Jason, Oh,
thank you very much. Now, okay, have we got to
the bottom of what actually happened with that police memo?
Was it that the memo was wrong or was it
simply that once it became apparent two ministers and the

(01:17:36):
top brass what the memo said, they reversed it.

Speaker 16 (01:17:38):
Listen, I think it might be a mix of the two.
I mean listening to the various people that have talked
about this. I mean Mark the Prime Minister essentially saying,
you know, it could have been clearer, and then we
had Mark Mitchell saying something as well. In terms of
what actually it was, it's a bit of a mystery
at this stage, but you can tell that, you know,
the pr response went into a bit of overdrive on
this one, because obviously Mark Mitchell must have seen this

(01:18:01):
story and seen with the Prime Minister and thought this
is not the message that we as a national government
want to be sending on law and order, and so,
I mean it just kind of shows sometimes the power
of government, how quickly can things can turn around. So
the next time someone tells you, oh, it's going to
take a couple of weeks to do this because the
machinery of government turns slowly, point to this, Heather and say,

(01:18:22):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
So okay, I find this. See, I just am not
at all convinced that I just don't know what to
think about this, Jason, Because it was on the Monday,
they had a superintendent on the show with us, and
this a very senior position, and this person had been
given to us by the police media team to basically
explain that the memo was right. And then the next

(01:18:44):
day we're being told by people higher up that the
memo was wrong. And so I just I feel like
the wall is being pulled, don't you think?

Speaker 16 (01:18:53):
Well, yeah, I mean the whole time it was confusing here,
and I think anybody that was listening has the right
to be a little bit confused as to where this
kind of ended up with.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
So where I end up on this is in fact
that that memo was correct and that this is what
they are doing. But if they have the free Like
if if all the cops, if you call in your
theft and it's two hundred and fifty dollars and all
the cops in all clind are sitting around twiddling, somebody
will come out. But the rest of the time. This
is actually what it's like.

Speaker 16 (01:19:20):
Yeah, And I mean, I'm assuming this has been an
unwritten rule for some time. It's just somebody actually wrote
it down and somebody You've tracked this down via an
Official Information Act request and then all hell broke loose.
So I think that it's sort of just it came
to maybe and again we have to read between the
lines here because it's been so wishy washy here. It
was written down and they said, that's not what we
actually do. It was written down, but that's not our

(01:19:42):
practice or something around that sort of idea.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Now, I think that Winston Peter's ruling out Chippy is
more significant than people realize.

Speaker 16 (01:19:50):
What do you think, Well, I mean, there is now
Winston words matter. Peter's kind of left himself some whibble
room here, of course, because he can still go into
a coalition or any sort of post government agreement with
Labor as long as Chippy is or Chris Hopkins rather
is not in charge at the time, and it was

(01:20:10):
you know, and it's always Winston. He just leaves himself.
I mean he's a lawyer by practice. He leaves himself
this little bit of wiggle room, and it's you know,
he's kind of almost forcing a difficult conversation for Labor
Party MPs when they get closer to that election date
if they get to a point where they can win power,
but only if they side with New Zealand first and
decide to kick the likes of Tipatimarti to the curb

(01:20:32):
and say we're not actually going to work with you.
The MPs will be scratching their heads and saying, we'll
hang on a second. You know, we've got we could
get the knives out and be ministers soon. So it's
tactical by Winston, I think.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
I think it puts a target on Chippy's back. But
in order for that, in order for these guys to
actually roll Chippy, I think they have to understand that
how much they need New Zealand first time. I'm not
sure that they realize that yet.

Speaker 5 (01:20:58):
Do they.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
It's well, they talk like that.

Speaker 16 (01:21:00):
I mean, it's very much sounds like. And you know,
when Winston was in government and national with the opposition,
there were some among us that were seeing they'll never
work together. Look at the way that they talk to
each other. So Winston can bury the hatchet, and I
think that an opposition MP wanting to be a minister
will move heaven and earth to bury a hatchet as well.
So yeah, let's have this conversation again in about a

(01:21:23):
year's time and see where we're sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Ah, yeah, fair enough, Hey, Jason, thank you has always
appreciated Jason. Wall's political leaders are wrapping the political week
that was six twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
Four, approaching the numbers and getting the results.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
It's hither due to sellen with the business hour and
mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
These talks that'd be.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Peter Lewis is going to be us shortly out of
Hong Kong, talk us through what's going. Oh my gosh,
I don't know if you saw this yesterday, but the
US is going to aggressively revoke the visas of Chinese students.
So we'll yes, this is Trump cracking down, so we'll
have a chat to him about that. Now, just to
hits up. It looks like the boy Races are going
full of in again this weekend. I don't know if
you realize this, but we are exactly one year from

(01:22:05):
the last time they were in Livin and remember what
happened there. They were throwing the things at the cops,
and the cops of the riot shields up and they
were retreating and it was just an ugly scene. They're
going back, but this time the police know exactly what's
going to happen. They prepared for it. Now have you
ever wandered, because I have, Have you ever wandered whether
your credit card scheme is worth it or not? You know,
like if you have a credit card with air points

(01:22:26):
or True Rewards or something like that, if it's actually like,
what's the point of it? Well, Consumer New Zealand has
crunched the numbers for us, and they reckon it is
worth it if you spend twenty five thousand dollars over
two years. So that's what's that like twelve and a
half thousand dollars a year. If you're spending that much
on your credit card, and if you pay your card

(01:22:47):
off regularly so that you get no interest whatsoever, then
your credit card is worth it, because, of course, what
you have to consider is the fees that you're paying
to have the credit card in the first place. So
at some point, you know, if you're paying one hundred
and fifty dollars fees or whatever it is, at some
point you have to earn more in those rewards in
order for that to make the thing balance out. So anyway,
that's too much you have to spend, so you have
to be a big old spender on the credit card

(01:23:08):
in order to make it work. And apparently these schemes
are going to dry up or be scaled back because
there's real pressure on the interchange fees, which is all
the stuff about surcharging and stuff like that. So with
real pressure on the interchange fees, it's going to make
it a little bit harder for these guys to be
running this. And already this week we've had Kiwibank cut
ties with Air New Zealand no more airpoints on that

(01:23:29):
credit card. To keep an eye out. You might not
even have to worry about this in the future because
those cards just may not be on offer. But if
you've still got one, spend up large pay it down,
then it's worth it. Headlines next, whether.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
It's macro microbe or just playing economics.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
It's all on the Business Hour with Hender Duplicy, Allen
and Mass Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your future.
Talk's a man you me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
I was telling you earlier, Oh Jesus ad a couple
of hours ago, even that I'm kind of slightly fascinated,
bordering on obsessed with the idea that that Cleary might
be switching over to Wallaby to play for the Wallabies. Anyway,
Tim Horan, who's the one who I was quoting as
having said it on the podcast, I've just heard he's
going to be on Sports Talk in about twenty four
minutes time to talk Darcy through this theory. So stay

(01:24:31):
tuned and have a listen to that. As twenty oh
and by the way, have you seen the video have
you seen the video in Wellington of the guys who's
ripping into the food that he's delivering. If you haven't,
wait and I'm going to explain this to you. And
just to take twenty three away from seven right now.
Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent with US.

Speaker 7 (01:24:46):
Hey, Peter, good evening Happer.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Okay, so the US wants to now aggressively revoke does
it the visas of the Chinese students.

Speaker 7 (01:24:53):
That's right, This is what Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State,
is saying. It affects a lot of people. There's about
two hundred and eighty thousand Chinese students in the US
in the last academic year. It makes up about a
quarter of all foreign students there, and it's the second
leading country of origin after India. What is quite extraordinary

(01:25:16):
about this sort of memo that's come from the State
Department is that it's so blatantly anti China. I mean,
if the thing had been fairly neutral in the sense that, look,
you know, we want to not have so many students
for whatever reason coming into the US, that would have
been maybe fine. But it specifically singles out applications from

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China and Hong Kong says it sees a lot of
these students as infiltrating the US with bad ideas. They
could potentially be spies or national security risks. It really
is very focused on some very negative perceptions about China,
and it's going to have a big impact. I mean,
this is you know, US universities are one of the

(01:26:02):
ways in which US projects its soft power around the world.
They are a big attraction for students all over the world,
help spread US ideas and policies around the world as well.
And it has economic impacts because many of these foreign
students that go to go to the US graduate, stay on,

(01:26:25):
they become entrepreneurs. They drive innovation and economic leadership, and
if the US was to lose that, I think it
would be detrimental to the US economy. I mean, look
at companies like alphabet for example, the owner of Google,
they have an Indian CEO. There are many companies that
are set up and driven by some of these students

(01:26:47):
who eventually go on and become entrepreneurs.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Speaking of India, how is this going between India and
the US on the trade negotiations, Well.

Speaker 7 (01:26:57):
It seems to be a little bit stored. I mean,
there's been all sorts of talk about neuendrum mody trying
to reduce tariffs to get some sort of agreement, but
there are certain areas that are very very sensitive that
they just can't remove the levies from. And these are
things like agricultural commodities like food grains, dairy products, and

(01:27:21):
so on, and it would just be politically impossible for
Mody to lower the tariffs on them, so they want
to try and ring fence certain sectors and then try
and maybe reduce tariffs on other areas. Now I'm afraid
this is bad news for New Zealand because I know
you'd like to have a trade deal within you as well.
But I think if they're not going to offer this

(01:27:43):
to the US, I can't see them offering it to
New Zealand either.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
No, that's a really that is absolutely a fair point
I think that you make there. Now, Look what is
going on. Is there something that's changing about the way
that China is approaching the Pacific Islands or is it
just ongoing support that they're offering here.

Speaker 7 (01:27:59):
Well, I think they see an opportunity. They see the
US as stepping away from a leadership role in all
sorts of places around the world and also damaging its
reputation in all sorts of places around the world. It's
not being seen anymore as a reliable trade partner, for sure,

(01:28:19):
and it's not even being seen as reliable in various
security issues by countries all over the world, both big
and small. So China sees an opportunity here to really
sort of step into the breach and put itself forward
as being the reliable partner, the one that you can
come to to do trade without any without any sort

(01:28:43):
of tags on it. I mean, one Ye, who's the
Foreign Minister of China, was saying with the Pacific Island countries,
they're going to undertake one hundred small but beautiful projects
across the Pacific. These are things like addressing climate change,
providing money for infrastructure initiatives, clean energy, fisheries and so on.

(01:29:05):
And I think they do see an opportunity here. You
remember a couple of years ago they did try to
get a security agreement with a couple of the Pacific
Island countries, but that sort of fell apart at the
last minute. So here they are again looking to boost
their influence with those nations and using programs like the
Belton Road Initiative to try and do that. And I

(01:29:28):
think the Pacific Islands countries are interested as well in
having a closer relationship with China.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
You can see why. Hey, thank you very much, Peter,
appreciate it. We'll talk to you again next week and
enjoy your weekend. That's Peter Lewis, Asia Business Correspondent, either
if you haven't seen the video of the food guy
in Wellington, the food delivery guy in Wellington helping himself
to the bag yesterday, you've got to go and look
at this. So basically what happens is the chef, you know,
you uber eats ordered or your delivery whatever or debt

(01:29:58):
whatever it's called, I don't know, and they bring the
food to your door.

Speaker 25 (01:30:01):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
So the house that he was delivering to had a
camera above the door filming the whole thing happening. And
here he comes. He's walking up the stairs brazenly, brazenly
just reaching into the food bag that he's about to
deliver and eating things out of it. And it's not
really clear from the camera angle what it is that
he's eating, but I'm guessing that he's helping himself to

(01:30:21):
the chips in the bag. So he gets up to
the stairs, he puts the brown paper bag down, sort
of adjusts his hat like he's about to knock, and
like wipes his hands, he gets all the salt off,
like he's about to knock on the door to let
them know that he's there. And then he thinks twice
and he reaches into the bag and pulls out the drink,
which looks like some sort of banana milkshake or something,
and just starts like sipping on the drink. Anyway, at

(01:30:43):
this point, the guy who he's delivering to opens the door,
clocks this. This guy is just being busted with the
drink in his mouth, totally flips him her, totally flips
out and tries to like high tail it down the stairs,
but in his rush, he just go He just completely
ko's and he flies down the stairs, drink going everywhere,

(01:31:06):
gets up, runs away, realizes his left his hat, dashes back,
grabs his hat and runs off again. Anyway, when I
saw this, when I saw this on I think it
might have been you know, Wellington Live, which is the
thing that everybody in Wellington. It's like the community community
Facebook page. When I saw it, I thought, nah, this
can't be real, totally legit. Apparently it's popped up on
the news websites now they are now running the video

(01:31:28):
as well. Now I don't know what you can do
about because have you not, I mean you if you've
had food delivered, surely it's crossed your mind at some
stage that they could be getting their little fingers in
there it's having a little spring roll, do you know
what I mean? And so the only thing and you can't, like,
how can you know unless you've got a camera, Like
how dumb is this guy? But anyway, the lesson I've

(01:31:50):
taken from this is that you need to be careful
with what you order. So what you want to order
is you don't want to order anything that can just
be you know, pilfed without it being obvious that it's
been taken. So chippies, for example, that feels to me
like that's right for the plucking right because you could
he could just put his hand in there, take a
few chippies, wouldn't know if there were five or six
or ten gone. So that's the first problem. The second

(01:32:12):
problem is don't order a drink because you're also not
going to know if he's had his grubby little lips
all over that little straw. God have gone for it
and it's clearly what's happened. So what you need to
do is you need to order things where it will
be a parent that somebody's got into it. So a burger,
if somebody's had a bite of you burger, you're gonna know.
Noodles far too difficult to even attempt it, do you
know what I mean? He's going to open the liden

(01:32:33):
and he's gonna have to get his liten, he's gonna
have to it, and it's just it's too messy. So
you just want to think about that when you're doing
your uber eats or whatever you're doing tonight. Try to
make it pill for free, pill for free. So no chips,
no drinks, go for the whole things, go for the
lidded things, go for or just go and look at
this video and it will make you think. Twice quarter two.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
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Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
These talks eNB.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
Hey by the way, good news, good news and bad news.
Auckland War Memorial Museum is reopening in stages from Tuesday,
because of course it's been shut because of the sbestos,
so what will be open in part trouble is it's
lost four hundred and fifty thousand dollars in revenue because
of that, So that's going to hurt a little bit,
isn't it. Twelve away from seven Gavin Gray UK correspondent

(01:33:27):
with us. Now, hey, Kevin, hi, there have that seems
an unlikely guy, this Royal Marine, to have done what
he did.

Speaker 20 (01:33:34):
Yeah, extraordinary.

Speaker 26 (01:33:35):
So a fifty three year old former raw marine, a
father of three is to a pair in court probably
about we reckon another three hours time following the Liverpool
parade crash.

Speaker 5 (01:33:47):
So you'll remember, of.

Speaker 20 (01:33:48):
Course that Liverpool Football club won the Premier League.

Speaker 26 (01:33:51):
There was a parade and a car plowed into a
people carrier, plowed into the thousands of those who were
packed into the streets and somehow managed to circumnavigate the
road closures that were in place at the time.

Speaker 20 (01:34:07):
All of that part of an investigation.

Speaker 26 (01:34:09):
But we do now think the fifty three year old
who's been convicted on numerous counts is going to appear
in court. He faces counts of causing and attempting to
cause unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent, as
well as one of dangerous driving and two counts of
unlawful and malicious wounding with intent. So no mention of
anything else to do with the terrorism there. That was

(01:34:32):
ruled out early on in this investigation. But as you said,
a great deal of interest into the motive behind what
might have led anyone to do this, and we'll hear
no doubt a little bit more in court to go
regards Paul Doyle, who lives.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Locally, Kevin, how much trouble are you guys in with
water shortages?

Speaker 5 (01:34:53):
A lot?

Speaker 26 (01:34:53):
Apparently, Heather, So, I hadn't realized this, but you know,
we've obviously got a warming climate climate here in the UK.
We've got all sorts of water resources issues, the population
is growing and data centers, a lot of data centers
in this country now they apparently use a lot of

(01:35:14):
water for cooling as well, and yet no major reservoirs
have been completed in England.

Speaker 20 (01:35:19):
Since nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 26 (01:35:22):
Nine new reservoirs were announced last year, but it's very
easy for them to get sidetracked or delayed because of
local objections.

Speaker 20 (01:35:31):
That can be a vote loser too, so it's sensitive
for the government.

Speaker 26 (01:35:35):
And then of course just slashing all the red tape,
and this government says, right, we are going to make
the building of two of these of national importance, and
that severely restricts what people can complain about and also
gives priority to getting it done and the government say yeah,
we really need to tackle these things.

Speaker 20 (01:35:54):
We do need those nine built.

Speaker 26 (01:35:55):
That they're not coming on stream until twenty fifty, so
two of the big ones we want to bring on
stream within the next five, six, seven years. And they're
determined to get this done. But yeah, quite a concern.
One minister actually saying that we could be running short
of drinking water in England within the decade unless these
new reservoirs are built.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Tell you what, Gvin, I thought it was fascinating. The
French are going to ban the sagies in outdoor places.
We kids could because they love the sagies, don't they.

Speaker 26 (01:36:24):
Yeah, of all the countries that I think around the
world that I've visited recently, I'm still amazed a number
of people in France who smoke, and there it is
almost like a human rights to be able to smoke. Now,
the French have slowly come into line with other countries
by banning it in certain places. They're going a step
further now on the first of July, where there will

(01:36:46):
be a ban on smoking in all outdoor places that
can be frequented by children, so beaches, parks, public gardens,
outside schools, at bus stops and sporting venues. This is
something that's going to be brought in by the Health
and Family Minister, who said, quote, the freedom to smoke
must end where the freedom of children to breathe fresh

(01:37:07):
air begins. So this is going to be very interesting.
One place that's going to be exempt though, are the
outdoor areas of cafes and bars, so called terras. They
will be exempt from the ban, and anyone who flouts
the band could be in line for roughly two hundred
and fifty New Zealand dollar fine. Saying that regular police
will enforce the ban. But she was a great believer

(01:37:30):
in self regulation. Now I think the police are saying, well,
hang on a minute, we're pretty busy here, so that
might be a bonus contention. But according to some statistics,
seventy five thousand smokers die each year in France of
tobacco related illnesses.

Speaker 20 (01:37:45):
That's thirteen percent of all deaths.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
Thank you, Kevin, appreciate you telling us all about this.
Kevin Gray are UK correspondent. Will talk to you in
a week eight away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
It's the hitherto per Se Alan Drive Full Show podcast
on iHeartRadio by News Talk zebby.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Heather, are about a Tampa free seal on deliveries, Joe
look good thinking. I mean solution oriented to try to
keep the delivery guys out of your bag of goodies.
But I mean that's probably just adding to the cost
and we don't need that. Do we just order? Just
order smart? Hey, like, order order a pizza. You're gonna
see if there's been a pizza missing, do you know

(01:38:24):
what I mean? Five away from seven? Now it appears
that we have settled finally the matter of whether that
cheeky schoolboy rugby try was a try or not. I
don't know if you saw this. I just I think
because the other day it wasn't that long ago. I
was giving schoolboy rugby grief and it turns out these
guys are actually doing all kinds of fun things on
the park. So it was Marlborough Boys versus Nelson College

(01:38:46):
and Marlborough was awarded a penalty and they put the
ball down right in front of the posts, and they
got out the tea, put the ball down, lined up
to take the kick, and then at the last minute
the kicker sort of signaled to his left and then
he just shunted the ball just a little crawler to
the left of the field over it went over the
try line, in comes the lock bang has a try
gets it. They beat Nelson Boys College by a margin

(01:39:08):
of two points, right, so they needed that right there,
and it was awarded to them because the ref couldn't
see a reason why it shouldn't have been awarded. Well,
unfortunately it shouldn't have been awarded because Nigel Owens has
weighed in on this on Twitter and said the kicker
has to make a genuine attempt to kick that goal
before the try can be allowed to scat stand and
that clearly wasn't a genuine attempted goal. And yes, if

(01:39:28):
you go to look at the World Rugby Law Book,
rule eight point two zero says that if the team
indicates to the referee the intention to kick a goal,
they must kick a goal. But credit to those boys
for thinking outside of the square and just trying it
on and it worked, didn't it.

Speaker 17 (01:39:44):
And ironically though, if they just kicked the penalty, then
they still have got the two points they needed to
well win the game anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
No hold on, because they would have got three points.
A try gives you five points, consion, there would have
been four points. Four points shy, therefore two points in deficit.
They would have lost.

Speaker 17 (01:40:00):
Oh okay, good thing I'm not the manager of that team.
Then coming home by blind Spot to play us out
tonight music, Let's get onto something I can talk about,
hopefully New zeal And Music Month. It's our last show
for newsingel in Music Month because it ends tomorrow. So
what did it have to go out with?

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
With us?

Speaker 17 (01:40:13):
Some brand new Kiwi music. This is off the new
blind Spot EP that just dropped today. It's called Volume three.
It's intended to serve as the second half of their
third album, Volumes, and the songs called coming Home Brilliant
enjoy us.

Speaker 3 (01:40:26):
Have a lovely long weekend. Drive safely and we will
see you on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen to News
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