Full Show Podcast: 05 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Digging through the spins to find the real story.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Soring.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
It's Heather Dupersylan Drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected,
News Talks.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
AV Afternoon, Welcome to the Show. Later apparently has learned
nothing on the Mary Party punishment debate, Desley Simpson isn't
running for Auckland mayor, and we're running out of gas
faster than we thought. Again all of that on.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
The show, Heather Dupercy Elo look on this.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Case of the Beehive staffer who's been caught filming women
on his phone. It seems to me that most of
the focus at the moment is being put on how
it was that he was given permission to work in
the Prime Minister's office despite the fact that he was
obviously a creep. Now, I don't actually think this is
the most pressing question, because if you think about it,
how on earth would vetting someone for a job uncover
the fact that they are a creep if they are

(00:50):
actively keeping secret the fact that they are a creep. Right,
if it's a secret, it's a secret, you're not going
to be You're not gonna find it out no matter
how well you vet. To me, the most pressing question
is why the police didn't bust it open and charge
the guy when they had the opportunity. I mean, some
of what he did was not an offense. Okay, recording
audio recording the sex workers was not an offense, so

(01:13):
I can understand the police couldn't go down that particular route.
But filming women getting changed at night through their windows
is definitely an offense. Like go to the statute books.
There are at least a couple of ways you can
charge the guy for that. So why didn't the cops
charge him for it? Because it feels to me like
this is actually a priority area, right. This is a

(01:34):
much higher level of creepiness than audio recording a sex
worker or photographing a woman fully clothed at the gym.
I'm not trying to minimize how creepy that is. That
is a level of creepiness, but it is definitely a
higher level of menace to be filming a women only
partially clothed with no top on as she walks around

(01:54):
her house at night, which apparently is at least one
of the examples, and there were apparently reportedly cases of
this happening. Now I do understand, we do not know
all of the details of what police were considering here,
and perhaps you know, this may have been kind of
a difficult thing for them to be able to charge.
I want to hear from them. What was the obstacle here?

(02:15):
What evidence did they not have in order to be
able to charge them? Did they not know who the
women were or where the women were? Did they need
to find those women in order to confirm that the
filming wasn't consensual in order for the case to work.
Did he have the geo location on his phone? You
know that shows where you take the photographs that could
have pinned the house. Did he have that turned off?
Did he have that turned off? It turned on? If

(02:37):
they had none of this, did they go looking for
the women? Did they try to find them? How hard
did they look? Because to my mind, when you've got
somebody going around a bloke like this reportedly looking through
windows at women at night as they get changed, that
is something that the police need to deal with as
a priority. That's not just retail theft. That is something
very very creepy. And actually, if they had managed to

(02:59):
figure this out and managed to charge him, they wouldn't
be answering questions today about how it was that he
was in the Prime.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Minister's office, Heather Duplessy.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Ellen nine nine two. As I say, text, you know,
feel free to text. We are waiting to hear from
the police as to whether they are able to talk
to us and answer these questions. I'll bring you that
as soon as I possibly can. Now, onto another subject,
the Commerce Commission fired another shot across the supermarket duopoly bows.
The ComCom says that the supermarkets are charging suppliers for
things like stocking shelves and this has got to stop now.

(03:29):
Matthew Lane is Night and Day general manager. He's read
the ComCom report and.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Is with us.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Now, how mathe afternoon, Heather? Is that is that what's
going on and the supplies being charged for stocking shelves.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
There is certainly a practice that does happen in the
surf market industry. But what's most encouraging for us is
that the comcoms cracking down on the fact that other
retailers are being charged more for their wholesale than what
are the surfermarkets are actually retailing the same products for it.
Give me an example, So example is if we buy

(04:02):
a bag of flour wholesale off them, could be three
dollars for us to buy. For them, it's three dollars
to buy as well, but then the supply gives them
back another dollar, so the effect of cost prices two
dollars whereas ours is three dollars.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Why are they how does this rebate thing work? Why
would a supply give them a rebate?

Speaker 5 (04:21):
It's to target the investment into the players with the
major dominance, So given the fact they've got volume in
the possession in the market, they end up being looked
after a bit more. But then also the surf markets
probably demand it to make sure they can't lose market
share to any other reason?

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Does it give the supply gives them a rebate, maybe
gives them prominence on the shelf or something like that.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Could be, or even just reduce the cost price versus
what everyone ask can buy for in the market.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Okay, now, what is the Commerce Commission going to do
about it? If this stuff doesn't stop?

Speaker 5 (04:52):
So they have sent a shot across the bower to
the supermarkets. At the moment it's acknowledged they receive five
billion dollars in these rebates that that investment hasn't passed
on to other retailers trying to source those products the
surf markets. We're given a clear mandate set up wholesale.
They have set it up, but it's not competitive and
unfortunately it's probably cheap of the me to go with

(05:14):
the shopping trolley around patterin Save.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
What I'm trying to get to is that the Commers
Mission is doing nothing about it but talking right, it's
just jaw boning. How much of this jaw boning do
we have to sit through before they actually do something.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Yeah, it would seem light to see action if we
could take a sledge hammer to it rather than taking
a step by step. I think that would certainly create momentum.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
We've got to getting frustrated.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Absolutely frustrating. The rules are high, but I guess when
when the market's been this way for twenty five years,
you've probably become a bit more accustomed to it because
it's the strongest signals we've had that change is coming.
We're trusting the fact change is coming, but you know,
I think there's the strongest signals so far that change
will come. The bulls and the surf market caught to

(06:00):
do it voluntarily, and if not, once again the Commas
Commission will step back and.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
When, Because we're getting signals that change is coming. When
that change comes, what does it look like.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
So they've been given twelve months to pass on all
those promotional discounts to other retailers so that can lower
their prices as well. They're also stating that the supermarkets
have to provide their private labels through the whole sale,
so we can get access to the cheapest sugar in
the market. The brand ones are more expensive. If we
can get access to their home brands, we can then
pass that sugar.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I think you must understanding my question right. If we're
getting all of these signals that change is coming, and
the commers, commission or the government are going to implement change,
what does that change look like.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
The change looks like effectively lower cost.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
To the contribut But how do we get there?

Speaker 5 (06:48):
How do we get there? It's a good question. I
think the pathway is out there. I don't know how
we get there, because.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
This is what I'm starting to get really frustrated with this.
Are you not, like, how long have we been talking
about supermarkets? We were talking about supermarkets when Jacinda was
still in there, and we're still talking about supermarkets and
nothing's changed.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
Yeah, that is correct. So I've spent about four years
and we're still in a similar possession to what we
were when we were embarked on it. So I see
your frustration. I'm certainly frustrated as well.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah, you're probably more frustrated than I am. Matthew, thank you.
I appreciate it. Matthew Lane, Night and day, general Manager.
I just worry. Do you not worry? Well, I don't
worry that much, but I I just think that possibly
the ComCom and the grocery Commissioner, and if Nikola doesn't
watch out, the Finance minister as well, are going to
turn into the boy who cried wolf. You know the
ones who are like I'm yeah, you get it, or
like the weak parent is like, don't do that, or

(07:40):
I'm going to take that away from you. Oh yeah,
don't do that, don't do that, And all you get
is don't do that. I'm going to take it away
from you, but you never actually find out what the
punishment is. Feel like we're in that little holding pattern
at the moment. Listen, Apparently Elon Musk didn't want to
quit politics after all, it now transpires, apparently he wanted
to stay. And remember he had that one hundred and
thirty day limit and after that, as in the particular

(08:01):
role that he was, he had to vacate. Apparently he'd
actually asked if he could stay a little bit longer
because he hadn't quite reached his target of slashing one
trillion dollars in spending, so he wanted an extension. Day
told him basically, bugger off, and now he may maybe
maybe part of an explanation as to why he's sitting
their lobbing bombs from the outside. Now quarter past.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
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Speaker 4 (08:32):
Hey day three of the Mushroom Chef on the stand.
Murray Olds will talk us through it when he's with us.
At eighteen past four and right now we have Darcy
Walter Graves Sportstalok Coast dars Hey, Heather, what's going on
with hurricanes?

Speaker 6 (08:44):
Well Amoor is not traveling and he might not be
there either when it comes to the point that Enith
the hurricanes get further. He was named in the side,
but he got a knee injury and he was I'm
well advised by media in Wellington he was basically in
the goal cut getting carted off and all the media
I turned up to watch, so it's hard to keep

(09:04):
a secret. But he was named. Whether they're just playing
scold agree with the opposition the Brummys. I've got no idea.
But he's not going to be there, which is it's
a massive blow for the Hurricanes, a blow for him
to but it's not too bad. We don't know what
it is. Could be an acl might not I might
get to have a cork. I mean, we don't know.

(09:25):
But he's not going to be there. So that's a
blow for a very mobile and aggressive hold.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
Will Jordan.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Well Crusader's fan. Will Jordan is back, David Havilly is back,
Fletcher Newll is back, Todd Blackett has been back for
a week or two. This is shaping has been quite
the team. And to have all those key guys back
just before the qualifying finals timing because people thought that's
all going to be out for a few weeks. But

(09:55):
and I talked to Rob Penny, So Rob, are they
okay to go there? Not just pecking them? And no, no, no,
they're fine, mate, They're ready to Rob, They're ready to go.
So this is big. I think that Fletcher Neil is
a proper can play eighty minutes, which is ridiculous. He's
got the biggest engine in the game. He's massive on
the front. Of course, will Jordan out the back, Well,
what can't he do? And then of course he's got

(10:16):
heavily Keptain in the middle controlling it. So yeah, it's
it's looking really good. It's gonna be a great weekend
of Super Rugby.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
And Novak's into the semi finals, is he.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
He's looking for number twenty five.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Five?

Speaker 6 (10:27):
Yeah, he's got to take on the world number one.
Youanick Sinner, which I'm sure won't go down very well
because Young's had a bit of a a delegance with
the drug enforcement situation, and of course you know what
Novak's like around that. In fact, you wouldn't even take
a jab.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
So but I keep saying this, and it's because it's true.
I heard his press conference and there's something alarming in
his voice. Is something some calm, some almost like an
assassin like karm before he goes in, and it's like,
you know, I'm getting older, number one and I'm done.
But he might not get it.

Speaker 7 (11:01):
Done.

Speaker 6 (11:01):
But his attitude is looking good. And I'm not the
biggest fan of him, but when it comes to playing tennis,
the guy is a freaking who wouldn't want to be
around to see a guy win twenty five grand? S Now,
that's cool?

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Can I ask your opinion on something? Are you careful?
Do you have any Do you have an opinion on
the post game huddle in netball?

Speaker 6 (11:22):
Well, to be perfectly honest, once the game's finished, I
turn it off.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
You don't watch for that, right right?

Speaker 8 (11:28):
Ray?

Speaker 6 (11:29):
No, I watch so much sport. I don't want to
watch the build up. I'm not interested in watching the
halftime show. I don't. I watch sport late. I start
ten minutes late so I can fast forward through the
halftime show.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
This is excellent.

Speaker 6 (11:40):
I just want to see the athletes perform.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
That is it.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
Nothing else about it. I'll make my own opinions up.

Speaker 9 (11:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
You're looking very flash and you've got the radio awards today.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
Do you yeah for a podcast of the year with
the Sports Fixed podcast, myself and the nine Pine, Jason
Pine and the two endies.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
You've helped produce it, so you well, good luck to you.

Speaker 6 (11:59):
Wait, thank you very much much. Right to catch up
with some of the old school are coming in from
down country to.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Wearing a Cueritain tie. Flash guy, all right and but
a pair of sneakers obviously off. You go have a
fun time this sh shirt come on and the pink shirt.
Darcy water Grave sports talk hosts h don't at what
state he's going to be in for his show later
on for twenty lord two, moving the.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Big stories of the day forward, it's Heather Dupers and
drive with One New Zealand let's get connected news talks
that'd be I've.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
Got to clarify why I asked Darcy a top forgot
to tell you why I asked Darcy about the netballs,
because there is a bit of a debate going on
about whether that postgame huddle and netball should be happening.
Happening if you watch Nipple, you'll set after the game, right.
And it's not just like one team gets together and
puts their arms around each other in a circle and
hapapri rack. It's it's both teams, which is epically weird,
isn't it. It's both teams get together and in the

(12:56):
huddle there they have little chats and they thank everybody,
you know, thank the ladies in the kitchen and all
that kind of carry on anyway is obviously a tradition
in netball, but it's starting to get a bit weird
because yeah, I don't know, I mean, you know, you
want them to be rivals, and people are saying it's
a bit odd and stuff. And in Australia they've decided
to end they've they've ended it ahead of this year's
Super Netball competition. So it's just a question about whether

(13:18):
we should just get rid of it lengths a bit,
have the ladies go at each other rather than being
friends afterwards. You know what I'm saying, full twenty five
Heather sounds like soft on crime. Look, you can be
forgiven to jumping to that, for jumping to that conclusion,
right if you see that the police have got a
phone full of photographs and videos or photographs and audio

(13:40):
and I think actually some of it was video of
a dude being epically creepy and some of that looking
like it's unlawful, and then the cops don't charge. With
all that evidence sitting there, I think it is a
reasonable assumption to go to, hmm, something's going on here.

Speaker 10 (13:59):
Soft on crime.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
You just couldn't be bothered. You just filed it like
you filed your five hundred dollars retail, like every shoplifting
that just got filed. You just went, oh, look, it's
a creepy guy file and you didn't bother. So it's
fair enough to jump to that conclusion. Now I'm waiting
for the cops to come come back.

Speaker 10 (14:14):
To us and explain.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
We've seen all the questions through like why didn't you
investigate this stuff? They said they will not be doing
any interviews, but they will let us that we will
let it. They'll give us a statement at some point
today from Detective Inspector John Vandon Huell, who's the Wellington
District Manager of Criminal Investigations. I look forward to that
because I need that clarified for me. Anyway, stand by
for it when we do get that statement. Auckland politics.

(14:36):
Apologies to the rest of the country, but this has
been this has been this has been weird in Auckland,
so you're going to have to hear about it. Deasley
Simpson has today held a press conference on her mayoral
ambitions to announce that she's not running for mayor. I
mean I don't know why all of the teasing, because like,

(14:56):
did she build up to nothing? It's been she has
been building up to it for donkeys years. It's been
going on for weeks, isn't it. She even took out
that her son took out the Desley Simpson Disley for
mayor dot Co Doon and zed or something like that.
I saw her at the Rugby on Saturday and we
said to her running for mayor or a nudge nag.
She's like, oh, you'll have to wait for the announcement.

(15:17):
So when she said she's holding a press conference, I
go a yeah, yeah. It was something of a disappointment
for her to come out and go and I'm not
running for mayor now. It is actually a smart decision
because she and Wayne, if they were both running, they
were going to split the right wing vote and then
the left. He would come through the middle and then
you know we'd have cycle ways up the Wazo, So
nobody wanted that anyway. We're going to have a chat

(15:38):
to her about quarter past five to just find out
what the thinking was behind that epic tees to nothing.
Headlines Next.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines it's
Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get
did news talks.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
That'd be.

Speaker 9 (16:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Murray Olds is standing by out of Australia for us.
We are going to be discussing the punishment debate that
is happening at the moment. Read the Maori Party. It hasn't,
I mean to be honest, A lot of the fizz
has been taken out of it and in large part
some of that has to do with the absence of
all the key players today.

Speaker 9 (16:30):
Right.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
Jerry Brownlee is not in the speaker's chair, he's he's
down in christ you che at a funeral. Chippy's not there,
Luxan's not there. David Seema is not there. He's off
doing a debate. I don't think Debbie and Rawerri, I
don't think I saw them there. But that's not unusual,
as you well know. So the talking on the Maori
Party punishment from the Mardi Party fell to Takuta Ferris again.

(16:54):
You see deep.

Speaker 10 (16:55):
Down under layers and layers.

Speaker 11 (16:57):
Of intergenerationally refer colonization and assimilation.

Speaker 8 (17:03):
This debate is.

Speaker 11 (17:04):
About the eternal struggle for the survival of the Mardy
people and the survival of those people.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
As Mardy twenty four away from five.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's the world wires on youth talks, it'd be drive.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Donald Trump says his recent conversation with Putin was productive,
but it will not lead to immediate peace. Putin said
he would have to respond to the recent Ukrainian drone
attack first. Obviously, a former member of the US Defense
Department says it's a bit rich for Putin to talk
about retaliation.

Speaker 12 (17:35):
The Kremlin recently launched a drone attack against Ukraine that
killed innocent civilians and damaged a lot of infrastructure, and
so the talk by President Putin essentially wanting revenge really
doesn't take him too account some of his aggressive actions recently.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Tasmanian Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe says he will call an early
election if he loses today's confidence vote. The confidence voters
before the State Parliament. Now Premiere isn't thought to have
the numbers to vote it down. The premier, says Opposition
leader Den Winter is going to force Tasmanians to have
an election they don't want and can't afford.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Be that on mister Winter's head. This has been a
selfish grab for.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Power and Finally, if you don't believe how smart animals are,
listened to this. Cockatoo's in Sydney have learned how to
use drinking fountains. So the birds have been video using
their claws to operate the fountains, and they'll even form
orderly cues to wake their turn for a drink. They
are even better than Toddler's. The cockatoos of Sydney are

(18:40):
quite an industrious bunch. They've also worked out how to
open the wheelibins so they can search for snacks.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Inside international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I've been put right. I've been put right. Debbie and
Raweri have turned up to Parliament. Hello, were they there
from the start? Though Sam, Sam doesn't know. I don't
think I saw them there at the sime.

Speaker 9 (19:03):
Were they?

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Let me just put it out to you. Sam's busy
doing other things, so he's busy running the show. So
if you're watching, were they there from the start? I
didn't see them there from the start, let me know.
Nine two nine two Mariol's Australia corresponds with us.

Speaker 9 (19:16):
Now, how muss, Very good afternoon, Heather so what's.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Our favorite cook eron got to say.

Speaker 8 (19:22):
Well, look, the defense wound up this morning Aaron Pattison.

Speaker 9 (19:25):
Of course, six weeks into this trial. It's likely to
go another two weeks, according to the judge, and.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
Her defense council finished the questioning her this morning. Colin, Mandy,
did you ever intentionally put death cap mushrooms in that lunch?

Speaker 9 (19:40):
No? I didn't. Did you ever go out and pick
death cap mushrooms?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
No?

Speaker 9 (19:43):
I didn't. Did you ever lie about kids having leftovers?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
No?

Speaker 9 (19:47):
I didn't. Did you use wild mushrooms in the deadly meal?

Speaker 13 (19:50):
No?

Speaker 9 (19:51):
Well that was in fact a lie.

Speaker 8 (19:53):
And under cross examination, she's a bit in lying to
believes about owning a vegetable dehydrate and now I've never
used I've never seen one.

Speaker 9 (20:00):
I don't know what they do. But photographs showed her
disposing of a dehydrator at a local tip. Now there's a.

Speaker 8 (20:07):
Receipt that the police had from a local store. She
bought that equipment only three months earlier. And yeah, she
had been dehydrating mushrooms in that bit of equipment. Now,
Patterson admits she took the dehydrated to the transfer station
because she had been using it to dehydrate mushrooms. She's
already admitted lying about having cancer. And look, it's just

(20:30):
it's been a bit of a mess now as far
as the prosecutor is concerned. Her name is where is
it now, Doctor Nannette Rogers, And she looks to me.
It's not being carried live here, but I'm following it
live in terms of transcripts that are being made available
every twenty minutes or so. And she looks to be

(20:50):
an absolute and I use this very kindly, a bulldog
of a prosecutor everything. I mean, she's just looks forensic
in the way she's conducting her cross examination. And so look,
it's all on another couple of weeks of fascinating headlines.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Absolutely, Now tell me what's going on in Tasmania. Does
it look like he's going to be unless he going
to lose this vote.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
Well, i'll tell you if he does, it means there'll
be no Liberal government anywhere in Australia. Tasmany is currently
ruled by a minority Liberal government.

Speaker 9 (21:18):
The poorole lives down there.

Speaker 8 (21:19):
Have we've got fourteen seats in the thirty five seat
lower House. Jeremy Rockcliffe looks like a dead man walking.
He will face a no confidence vote. We understand this afternoon.
I mean, as I say, the only liberal government in
the entire country now, Tasmania is facing a budget crisis.
They had a budget on a week or so ago
and this is kind of what's brought this on. Even

(21:40):
though Rockcliffe is an underwhelming performer, let's put it that way.

Speaker 9 (21:45):
They've got a rapidly climbing government debt. They've got cuts
coming up the services.

Speaker 8 (21:49):
The income this year less than ten billion, the spending
nearly eleven billion, so that doesn't add up.

Speaker 9 (21:54):
And you've also got this great, big white elephant.

Speaker 8 (21:57):
The last mob promised to spend it at least one
billion dollars on a covered, heated stadium to host Australian
rules football. That's the condition to have an Aussie Rules
team in the national competition from Tasmania.

Speaker 9 (22:10):
So we have to wait and see. But as I say,
Rockcliffe does look like a dead man walking.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Absolutely doesn't sound very smart at all of the minute,
the way this is playing out. And then tell me
about Bradfield. So we've got the final count, have.

Speaker 8 (22:20):
We Well we have twenty six vot If you can
imagine one hundred and twelve thousand people cast their ballots
on Bay the third, and this afternoon we're sitting here.
The margin is twenty six votes out of one hundred
and twelve thousand.

Speaker 9 (22:35):
That's how small it is. The Independent let's call her
a teal nicolatte Buller.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
She has edged out a very very carefully selected If
the Liberal Party's got female a problem with women over
here and all the critics say it does, this is
a woman who should have been elected somewhere in parliament.

Speaker 9 (22:54):
She's very, very able. She's an international lawyer who has
decided to put that career on whole to try and
become an MP for the Liberal Party. A wonderful communicator
and as I say, a very able and very competent woman.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
But she has lost out of this Independent and if
this stands, Labor head that will have ninety four seats
in the National Parliament in Canberra.

Speaker 9 (23:17):
The Coalition will.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
Have just forty three. That's two parties, and will be
thirteen on the cross bench. Labor is just you know,
it's going to take a catastrophe.

Speaker 9 (23:26):
That Alben easy to lose. He's there for the next
two terms. If he wants to be good.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Stuff, hate very good to talk to you, maus, you
look after yourself. Will talk to you again next week.
Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Hither they were not there from
the very start of question time, only for the debate
here the Debbie and Rawerri were there for the first
hour or so that I watched of the debate. Thank you,
that's from Paul and pie Karkaki. Appreciate that. Now bad news,

(23:50):
as if you needed any more bad news on the
gas front. But you know how we don't have a
lot of gas. Well we've got less than we thought.
It's running out faster than we thought it was. This
is the second this is the second year in a row.
I reckon that we've had to say this. We've got jeezus,
we knew it was running out, but well it's faster
than we thought, and it's happened again. Previously thought that
we would hit that for the first time gas production

(24:13):
would fall under one hundred Petti dules, that that would
happen in twenty twenty nine. It is now looking like
it's going to happen next year. So a mark that
we were going to hit in twenty twenty nine will
be hit three years early, and I think that gas
production has fallen something like twenty seven percent just year
on year, which is massive. Anyway, we will have a

(24:33):
chat to John Carnegie of Energy Resources ulti at or
he'll just give us an explainer of like just put
this in perspective for us, like how much trouble are
we in? He'll be with us after six Politics next
sixteen away from five.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
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Speaker 4 (24:49):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us.

Speaker 14 (24:51):
Thomas Hallo hed a, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Okay, is this debate dragging out? What's going on? A?

Speaker 14 (24:56):
Look, it is dragging out. It needs to finish at
six o'clock, but that doesn't necessarily mean it won't continue
after that. So it's anyone's guess. And and uh, they
seem to be losing steam, but but they can find steam.
I guess as well.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
So they only started at three? How are they losing
steam already?

Speaker 14 (25:17):
Well, I mean it's it's what if they started they
I think they started just before three. An hour and
forty five minutes is pretty long for one one debate
in parliament. I reckon, Yeah, I think they've, they'll they've
they will certainly be able to drag it out to
six I'm guessing. And whether that means they'll pick it
up again another day, anyone's.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
Guess what's Labor doing.

Speaker 14 (25:39):
Labor are not filibustering. They are speaking to the speaking
to the motion and I think the speak A couple
of speeches from Labor have been have been really strong.

Speaker 9 (25:48):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (25:48):
The former Speaker Adrian Rudraphe who was known for being
mild men and I guess and holding his tongue, probably
delivered the best speech he's ever delivered in Parliament where
he he he warned basically the nets to say, look,
you know, if the Privileges Committee is going to be
used to punish political opponents and and you know that

(26:09):
is obviously a bit of a stretch because obviously the
Marti Party have done something wrong and everyone agrees with that.
But if you're going to use the Privileges Committee as
a sort of majoritary in court, then that opens the
door to a future government by be a majority using
the Privileges Committee to try and you know, punish, punish
people you don't agree with. But then he turns to
Party Maori and he says, you know, the founder of

(26:29):
the Maori Party, Attardiana Turia, she came to Parliament, spoke
on every every bill, spoken every motion. Really, you know,
worked worked her socks off in parliament to create a
name for herself and to build that party. And and
you know, he looked at the Maori Party and I
mean didn't use so many words, but was basically saying

(26:50):
that isn't exactly what the Marori Party of today is doing.
They're not showing up at many debates, they're not really
speaking on every motion. They're doing more on social media
than they.

Speaker 9 (26:57):
Are in the House.

Speaker 14 (26:58):
And he basically said, look, you know, you've got a
leg to live up to here and you're not really
you're not really doing it. You've got a choice to
make as well. Do you walk in Tariana Turia's sort
of footsteps or or do you sort of be an influencer.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
So so, do you get the impression that it is
starting to sink into labor that they don't necessarily want
to be too closely aligned with a brand that for
a lot of New Zealand Middle New Zealand will be
relatively toxic.

Speaker 14 (27:23):
Well, yes, there was that done. There was that poll
this morning from RNZ reed and it showed that half
of the country basically supports this this punishment or wants
to go further. So yes, and I think labor that
is sunk in for labor for a while and you know,
put put a column out on the weekend hear all
about this, that that Labor Labor is realizing that obviously

(27:44):
they do need the numbers of Party Malori. But but
to Party Mary is that they are they are putting
the ceiling on on Labour's appeal to Middle New Zealand
because you know, this is the people's house, this is
for all all New Zealand and Party Malori probably are
pushing the boat out in terms of what Middle New
Zealand can deal with with the theatrics.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Now do we have I mean, I'm still waiting personally
to hear from the police on this. Do you have
any understanding as to why the police didn't investigate the
peeping tom aspect of what Michael Forbes was allegedly up to,
because that is the that is the thing that is unlawful.
Why did they not charge him for that?

Speaker 14 (28:18):
Yes, so that their statement is that the that they
they I think that it didn't meet the threshold for
prosecution potentially on an evidentiary basis. I am not sure
why that decision was made. I'm sure the police will
would be scratching the head around that as well. And
there's also the issue of the no surprises aspect of this.
The former commissioner we found out today the former former

(28:40):
commissioner Andrew Costa didn't know about it but claim about it. Yes,
and you can't. He doesn't have access tools old files
because he's an he's at the Social Investment Agency now.
But obviously, I mean this is very clearly a no
surprises issue, you know, I would yeah, I would think so,
it's why would it be.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Why would it be Thomas? Because if you have somebody
who you've looked at their phone and you go, now,
there's nothing to charge you over here, you haven't done
anything that we can charge you on, why would you
need to alert the employer who is the DIA?

Speaker 14 (29:13):
Because I think the threshold is anything significant Now, maybe
I suppose you could argue that it's not significant enough
significant would likely to generate controversy. And you know, obviously,
as we've seen the last twenty four hours, it certainly
generated controversy. So I think it probably would meet that
threshold where you'd alert alert the minister. But but yes,
I mean you could go back was July twenty twenty four.

(29:35):
I think when the when the complaint was first laid,
and perhaps back then they didn't think it admit a
threshold where they would take it further and where they
would alert the minister.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
But you think they should have.

Speaker 14 (29:48):
I think yeah, but based on what we know now,
I think it probably meets that no surprises threshold.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Okay, hey, thank you very much, really appreciate it. Thomas
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors. As away from.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I'm putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic
asking breakfast.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Brace yourself.

Speaker 15 (30:05):
The grocery commissioner has got some ideas, Pia Vander Hidden
is the grocery commissioner.

Speaker 13 (30:10):
We've done a market study which indicated some issues.

Speaker 15 (30:13):
Just to be clear, are these things going to happen
or are you just announcing them as ideas you.

Speaker 13 (30:18):
Know they're not just ideas. The draft code has been published.

Speaker 15 (30:21):
So just once again to try and be clear, are
you doing this it will start tomorrow or are you
in some sort of consultative process.

Speaker 13 (30:28):
As a regulator, we have to consult only a six
week window and then we make a decision as to
which way we.

Speaker 15 (30:33):
Go, and that decision is final and will be enacted.

Speaker 13 (30:37):
That's correct.

Speaker 15 (30:38):
Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Mayley's Real Estate News Talk zed B.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I'm getting a lot of texts suggesting that Karen Chure
is very impressive in the house speaking about the Marti
Party punishments. Web a little this and bring you a
little bit of that very shortly. Look what there is
there is a debate about whether we need to have
a law change now that we've discovered that Michael Michael
from the Beehive has been filming intimate moments with sex workers,

(31:08):
the audio recordings of it. Now, what the Prostitutes Collective
are asking for is a law change around this to
essentially make it illegal to film them to audio record
a moment like that. That I think seems like a
fair request, don't you think. I mean, it's a digital
age nowadays, and information like that, videos, audio photographs can

(31:30):
be spread and it can be spread so quickly and
so widely, and can be used to damage people so
badly that. Surely there needs to be some sort of
a I don't know, a protection against it now at
the moment, what the law basically says is you can record.
If you're recording yourself with somebody else, you can make
that recording as long as you're not going to broadcast it.
So I guess there is some protection there against it

(31:51):
being published anyway. Already there is a protection there that
protects people. But what they want is that that information
to never be recorded in the first place without Now,
I would say it seems like a reasonably I mean,
seems like a reasonable request. Whether it will make any
difference or not, I'm not sure, but we're going to
talk to them about that just after five o'clock, very shortly. Listen,

(32:12):
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and if you've been following the story of things like ozempic,
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are you know, as you can imagine, little concerns creeping

(32:33):
and the latest concern that's creeping and over in the
UK is that these drugs could be related to osteoporosis
and increased risk of bone fractures, because some research has
been done that shows as the people lose weight taking
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that weight coming from their vital muscle and bone mass.

(32:53):
And if you're losing the muscle, it can impair your
strength and your joint stability. As you well know, if
you lose the bone mass, you can end up with osteoporosis.
So there's a warning there that you know there are
implications and be no surprise to anybody, implications potentially beyond
what you thought. Anyway, Let's deal next with the prostitutes
collective and also get you across what's been going on

(33:16):
with the Maori Party punishment debates, news talks, ab.

Speaker 16 (33:20):
Susi Seva, you know, Oka home.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Years, questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust
for the full picture. Heather Dupac on Drive with One
New Zealand Let's get connected news.

Speaker 10 (34:01):
Hey, good afternoon.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Parliament is now more than two hours into the debate
on the punishment of the Maori Party, although it seems
to have lost a lot of its steam, with most
of the major players not in the House today. Rice
Edwards is a political commentator with US Now. Hey, Bryce, Hi, Heather. Yeah,
do you think it's lost a bit of the fizz?

Speaker 17 (34:18):
Well, it has because the main players don't want it
to be too busy. National and Labor do want to
sort of get beyond this debate. The minor parties are
loving it so on the left to Party Marie and
Greens are pretty fired up. On the right and using
the first an Act, pretty fired up. But Labor is
very uncomfortable. They've been part of the debate, but they're

(34:39):
trying to tone things down. They're trying to take a
sort of middle way, and it's hard work for Labor
to sort of navigate when I think the public kind
of or at least some of the Labor's voters are
in favor of some tough measures against the party.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Murray MPEd is anybody filibustering?

Speaker 17 (35:01):
Well, look, I don't know. I've seen some really quality
speeches from all sides in this and there's nothing wrong
with that. There's been some emotional and sort of quite
tough stuff as well. But no, no, I think it's
been excellent debate. And you know, this is a really
important issue. So I think it is apt that there
is enough time to actually debate it.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Do you think they're going to wrap it up by
six oh?

Speaker 17 (35:26):
If Labor and National get their ways, I think it will.
But it's in the interests of those other minor parties
to keep it going. I mean to Party Mari would
love to have this debate going for weeks.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
Yeah, I'm sure they would. Hey, do you do you
think it is dawning on Labor just how toxic the
Malori Party are to them?

Speaker 7 (35:45):
Oh?

Speaker 17 (35:46):
They would have always known how difficult it's going to be,
but this has really brought it to you know, the
sort of cutting edge of it, isn't it because you
know they're suddenly thinking are going to be dealing with
this sort of debate all through the election campaign and
you know how much this is going to rub off

(36:07):
on us. I mean in the House today, Party Murray
and P's are talking about suspending the treaty for twenty
one days if they're out of Parliament. I mean, what
does that mean and to what extent does Labor have
to start answering questions on how much they agree with
these sort of policies. Is a bit of a nightmare
for people like Chris Hipkins.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Bryce, thank you, I really appreciate your time.

Speaker 9 (36:30):
Mate.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
That's Bryce Edwards, political commentator.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Thanks together for CLIs.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
But there are questions now over why police failed to
charge former Beehive staffer Michael Forbes over the photos on
his phone. He was obviously caught audio recording his sessions
with sex workers and then his phone, it turned out,
also contained photos of women at the gym, women at
the supermarket and videos of women through windows at night.
Sheridan Fraser is with the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Hey
Shereda Cowder Heather Sheridan. Were you aware of this before

(36:57):
this broke in the newspapers yesterday.

Speaker 18 (37:00):
Yes, at the time, on the day that it happened,
I was notified by the Brussel just to see if
I could connect them with a sex worker, a specific
sex worker friendly police officer to take the report. Unfortunately,
it was my day off and I couldn't get hold
of any of them, so they called one one one.
I understand.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Okay. Has it surprised you then, so you would have
been aware of what was on the phone yet?

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
Has it surprised you that the police have not investigated
or charged over at the very least the peeping Tom stuff,
which seems to be unlawful.

Speaker 18 (37:36):
It does seem to be unlawful. Yeah, I certainly wasn't
surprised about the audio recording. I was aware that was
not a crime. I was aware that taking photos in
public places is not necessarily a crime. The Peeping Tom's staff,
I'm not familiar enough with the laws. I wondered if

(37:57):
maybe they were young police officers who went familiar and
just thought if they were taken in a public place,
and maybe it wasn't a crime, or maybe it was
just the too hard basket in terms of identifying who
those women were.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Have you actually seen the content of that phone?

Speaker 18 (38:14):
I haven't seen all the content, but I that I
have seen, you know, a couple of the a selection, a.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Couple of fo Do you know whether the peeping the
peeping tom stuff that the filming of the women through
the windows? Reportedly? What were those women identifiable? With the
properties identifiable?

Speaker 13 (38:32):
It?

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Could the cops have actually found those women?

Speaker 18 (38:35):
I'm not sure. I think Michael Forbes would have had
to disclose where he took that video, and he did
seem to be reasonably cooperative, so it was probably possible
for the police to get that disclosure. Otherwise it's just
it just seemed like an apartment building, you know, with
a lot of windows from afar, So yeah, it would

(38:59):
have been some extra rak and some police resource for that.
And you know, I suppose I would have liked these
things to be investigated, because sometimes they are the tip
of the iceberg and there are significantly more harmful things
that occur, and when you know, this is seemingly on

(39:21):
the lower end of the spectrum, although very problematic for
the women involved, but yeah, sometimes it can be an
indicator of greater harms OCCA.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
So would you like it would would you like it
to be made unlawful to record intimate moments audio, you know,
the audio of it without.

Speaker 18 (39:37):
Concent Absolutely absolutely. I think it's really important. Technology is
changing so quickly, and you know, there's deep fake abuse
that's occurring, and certainly in the context of sex, there's
a lot of language, and there's a lot of there's
a lot of chitter chatter or engagement that we don't

(39:59):
want other people to hear. And now realized it's a
very very private moment. It's a very private moment, and
I think intimate audio recordings should be on par with
intimate visual recordings, and it was something that was brought
up at the time the legislation came into pass two
thousand and six whatever. But yeah, clearly it didn't get through.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Sheridan. It's good to talk to you. I really appreciate
your time. That Sheridan Fraser, who is worth the New
Zealand Prostitutes Collective together duel as it was saying not
long ago, had a lot of texts saying that Karen
Shaw is doing a wonderful job speaking to this debate here.

Speaker 19 (40:32):
She is the anger and the hatred been trucked across
this house is heartbreaking. I have never seen this place
so low since the moment I started here.

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Speaker 1 (41:35):
Heather, do for see allen yea.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
The filming through an open window from a public place
is not an offense to you, actually, Stu, thank you
for that. We will come back to that. We finally
got a statement from the police on it. Seventeen past five. Now,
after months of speculation, Desley Simpson has finally revealed that
she's not running for Auckland's man. She's with us now, Hey, Desley.

Speaker 20 (41:54):
Hello, Heather, how are you?

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Dearsley. That's the biggest teas and the longest teas in
the history of mayoral races, isn't it.

Speaker 20 (42:01):
I didn't mean to tease, but it took. It took.
It took a bit of thinking, Heather, it really did.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Or did it take a long time to negotiate this
with Wayne.

Speaker 20 (42:10):
At both a bit of both.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
What did you get by him?

Speaker 17 (42:15):
No?

Speaker 20 (42:16):
I believe it's the right thing to do for Auckland, Heather.
Sometimes you've got to put Auckland first and not yourself.
And the mayor has really delivered this term some very
big changes for Auckland and still has more to come.
And at the end of the day, Yes, look, he's

(42:36):
a bit of a rough diamond, more rough than diamond,
and I'm probably more diamond than rough. But I really
support the initiatives he's put putting and has put together
to benefit Auckland. I mean, look at the future fund.
It's going to do with one hundred million for us
next year, you know, more income I take.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
I take the point and I think the point that
you look. I have come to realize, actually he stands
a reasonable chance of being re elected because actually I
suspect that a lot of voters will be reasonably pleased
with what he's done.

Speaker 20 (43:08):
What would you say, Well, I think so, as I said,
it'll be interesting to speak more with you as the
weeks ago come closer to the election about the outcomes
that we've achieved this term. But you know, just for
one thing, financially, you know, he's put some pretty significant
targets together for us around saving money. I chair that committee,

(43:29):
and we've exceeded the savings targets. I think the figures
are in excess of four hundred million over three years.
So there have been savings. There's been more ways and
deliverables for more income to Auckland, and the sorts of
things that have annoyed Auckland is for a long time
the content name got delivering things that come on.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
You can't be ready, you can't be in campaign mode already.
Tell me. I want to know now what you got
out of him in those negotiations.

Speaker 20 (43:59):
It wasn't for which what I got out of him.
It was about understanding what he wanted to deliver in
the next three years and really understanding that. And I
absolutely share those objectives. And it shouldn't be about you know,
one person or another person. We always need to focus
on Auckland, putting Auckland as first and actually making it

(44:19):
a better place. And that's what I'm here to do
and so I'm standing as a counselor for ORAQ again.
I've done it before. I love my community and I'm
very happy with my decision.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Good luck of the desly thank you for your time.
Really appreciate it. Desley Simpson, Deputy Mayor of Auckland. Here
the all crimes have key ingredients that need to be
addressed in order to justify a prosecution. Plenty of sexual
crime doesn't ever lead to a prosecution because victims often
aren't aware of what's involved. There's far more to it
than just telling a detective. Andrew, I appreciate that. So
actually it is illegal to film. It's illegal too. It's

(44:51):
unlawful to be a peeping tom right, and there are
a couple of ways you can be charged with it.
The first is just the old, classic old peeping or
peering into a dwelling house, which if you're just standing
there at night peeping or peering into a dwelling as
you're going to copy yourself a five hundred dollar fine. Now,
what he did was he was videgoing into a dwelling
house at night, wasn't he? So that's extra level of creep,
isn't it. So under the Crimes Act, it is illegal

(45:13):
to intentionally or recklessly make or possess an intimate visual
recording of another person without that person's knowledge of consents.
So we went to the coppers. We said, well, why
didn't you charge him? They said, well, when we looked
at the phones, he had two of them. He had
a private one in his work one. That's very normal,
he said. What they found what appears to be women
in private addresses, taken from a distance away, and they'll
just color this up for you. Right, These women were

(45:35):
in some cases without their tops on, so they were
getting dressed and as you heard from Sheridan before, you know,
maybe in an apartment building or something like that. Police
considered the available evidence and concluded it did not meet
the requirements for criminality and therefore charges could not be filed. Now, OK, fine,
so it wasn't so what they're saying, well, it wasn't
really a crime. I'd love to be able to ask

(45:58):
them to tell me a little bit more about but
they're not doing interviews, so we'll just have to take
their word for it. Just that little bland statement, is it?

Speaker 21 (46:07):
Five two.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Informed inside into today's issues? It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive
with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
They'd be right.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
It's coming up twenty five past five. By the way,
we're going to speak to Stephen Jacobi. Jacoby former Trade
negotiated because Labor is very angry at the government for
being chill about those ten percent tariffs that Trump is
lumping our way. Unfortunately, everybody else has to be chill
about it as well. I can't find an example of
any country that's had them removed. But anyway, we'll see
what happens now. It looks to me, I'm happy to say,

(46:42):
it looks to me like it's finally dawning on the
Labor Party, that the Maori Party are in fact toxic
to the Labor Party's chances of becoming government. The two
biggest clues today, I reckon during this punishment debate was
Adrian and RuAF Are basically telling the Mahry Party off
for their behavior, and Labor also refusing to participate in
the filibustering that was originally planned. Labor would have, I
mean to be fair, Labour would have to be dumb

(47:03):
not to see how people feel about the Mardi parties anticks,
and there was that poll out this morning. Are and
Zed read research. Most voters think the punishment for the
Mardi Party is about right or could actually be harder
fifty four percent of them. Only thirty six percent of
voters think it's too harsh. Even a sizable proportion of
Labor Party voters think the punishment is about right or
could be harder thirty eight percent. Now, Labor is smart

(47:26):
to put some distance between it and the Marti Party
because the Marti Party made fools of them last time.
When Chippy got up and argued that the Marti Party
shouldn't get the full twenty one day suspension punishment because
they should have the right to represent their voters in
Parliament during the Budget day debate and it's so important
blah blah blah. The Marti Party made major fools of
Chippy by then, after all of that effort, he went

(47:46):
to not turning up to the debate. Now, to be
fair to Labor, this is not an easy one for
the party, right. This is actually a really tough one
for them to balance because they can't be too friendly
with the Marordi Party because then they're going to freak out.
New Zealand, but they will need the Marty Party probably
to have the numbers to form government. It's a tough one,
but at least you can say Labor has realized that

(48:09):
the Marty Party are toxic because that happened to be
it to have happened before.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I'd heather due to see Ellen went to.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Dave Dobbin last night? When didn't you know what went
to Dave Dobbin last night? And I'm going to tell
you about it. I'm going to do. I'm going to
tell you because you know, I've got this concert club
where at the girls, the old sheelas go out and
see a concert of an evening, and I'm going to
give you a bit of a review on it because
the man as a bloody legend, isn't he? But what
I also need to tell you is there is a

(48:37):
bit of a debate. You would have seen this poll
that's come out just in the last couple of days,
and I did mean to tell you about it yesterday
about whether we should ban social media for under sixteens.
The vast well, the majority, let's say the majority, fifty
eight percent of us say yes we need to ban
social media for under sixteens and the parties in government

(48:58):
who actually have the ability to enact that band huge
number of their voters want to see this happen. The
man who has written the book about this, Jonathan Height,
is with us at four o'clock tomorrow, so tune in
for that please. Headline's next.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
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Speaker 2 (49:24):
He'd be.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
All right, as I told you. After six o'clock, let's
discuss what's going on with the gas because it is
running out faster than we thought it would. The huddle
is standing by it. A has just done his speech
in the House, and he's held up a.

Speaker 22 (49:50):
Noose tape the news from around my neck so that
I may sing my song, the silent thing of us today,
of the silencing of our ancestors.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Of the past. I mean, I think we can pretty
clearly call that a stunt designed to get him ontally
and guess what it's probably going to work twenty four
away from six now, Labor has slammed the government for
not being upset enough about Trump's ten percent tariff they're
not happy that the PM is quote being comfortable about it,
and they reckon that means he's failing us all as
Kiwi's former trade negotiated Stephen Jacobe is with me on

(50:23):
the SAE.

Speaker 23 (50:24):
Stephen, hi here, how are you?

Speaker 4 (50:26):
I'm very well, thank you. What else can he do
other than be comfortable about it?

Speaker 23 (50:31):
I wonder really if he is comfortable about these tariffs
being applied. Remember their additional tariff. It's not just the
ten percent tariff. If we're already paying a tariff, it's
ten percent plus, so fifteen percent tariff already on butter
now twenty five percent. No one can be very comfortable
about that.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
No, probably not. I mean, is this just something you
have to say diplomatically or what do you think?

Speaker 13 (50:54):
Well?

Speaker 23 (50:54):
What I am comfortable about is where the government is
on this at the moment. It's watching, it's consulting, it's
consulting with trading partners in particular, we've Todd mclayoff, and
you know powis at the moment doing just that. It's
doing all those right sort of things. You have to
remember that we are being charged as additional tariff at

(51:15):
the lower lowest end of the scale. We don't have
a lot to offer the United States. We've just seen
the UK go and bend the knee in Washington and
come back with not much, nothing less than ten percent
and not a marvelous deal really to boast for it.
So I think we just have to buide our time
for the time being. But make no mistake about it,

(51:36):
this is difficult for New Zealand exporters.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Yeah, I bet it strikes me that what the Prime
Minister is probably trying to do with the language that
he is using at the moment, does not to draw
attention to New Zealand. Is that fair?

Speaker 23 (51:47):
I suspect that is the case. You know, we want
to make ourselves a small target. But he has been
pretty outspoken about the need to develop a dialogue with
the EU and CPTPP partners for example, an extremely good idea,
and you know, I hope that before too long we'll
see him going to China and doing what he has
to do there as well. Of course, he's launched this

(52:09):
FDA negotiation with India. These are all the things that
we have to be doing to create more options for exporters.
At the best of times and indeed at the worst
of times, that we face in the United States right now.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Absolutely, Stephen, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.
Stephen Jacobe, former trade negotiator. Right now, twenty two away
from six.

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Speaker 4 (52:32):
On the Huddle of Me this evening, we have Ali Jones,
Red pr and Tim Wilson of the maximums Jude, Hi
you two, Hi go. What do you make Ali of
raw Woody holding up the noose in the house.

Speaker 24 (52:45):
It's incredibly inflammatory and absolutely and totally unnecessary. I'm actually
sick to death of it. I was thrilled to hear
Chris Bishop stand up and say let's get on with it.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (52:55):
I really do think this just needs to be sorted.
But it's a bit like kindergarten. I mean, if you
want to change the rules in the sand pit, then
do it from the sandpit and from within the systems
that are there, and stop behaving like performing children.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Now it feels to me like what they're trying to do,
Tim is they are desperate to keep this going and
being as controversial as possible. And actually the theme has
been taken out of the thing completely, by the delay
that that happened before the budget, by the fact that
Bishop's not there, Chippy's not there, Brownlee's not there, David
Simore is not there. It's just kind of a bit today,

(53:32):
isn't it.

Speaker 21 (53:33):
Yeah, Yeah, and I think, yeah, it's interesting that.

Speaker 25 (53:36):
I think the irony there too is the measure that
is attempting to enforce rules and create order has produced
so much toddlerish behavior. I mean, even Winston with the
remark about scribbles on your face.

Speaker 21 (53:50):
Come on, Winston, you're eighty, you're not eight.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
When did he do that?

Speaker 21 (53:54):
This was earlier in the debate.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
Oh was it okay? So said that. Well, the whole
thing just feels like it's the steam's taken out of it.
So we'll just let them run their course through to
six o'clock hopefully.

Speaker 21 (54:06):
Shall we just drop it it? Let's just drop it now.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
That's I would if I could. I mean, you know,
let's cut it off at six and be finished with it.

Speaker 9 (54:13):
Ellie.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I still feel confused about why the police didn't charge
that Chap from the Prime Minister's office with being a
peeping tom.

Speaker 24 (54:22):
Look, I don't think where police, we're not criminal experts,
legal experts. I don't know what that bar is to
reach the you know, the required level for criminality in
order to take a prosecution and.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Talk about it.

Speaker 24 (54:38):
Then do you think, well, yeah, But I think there
are two really important things here. Firstly, I mean, whether
it didn't reach the standard or whatever those standards are,
No one seems to have been really talking about the
the imbalance.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Of power here.

Speaker 24 (54:53):
You know, this is another issue of women being in
a position where they are being taken advantage of by
someone a man and a far far more senior position.
I also think when I looked at that guy, thought
you are a dick. There are so many people working
in Wellington in politics doing a damn good job, working
very very hard. Why the hell should you get away

(55:15):
with behaving like this? And the other thing is how
on earth did this not? Was this not on the
Police Commissioner at the Times radar? And why was it
not fed through to Parliament?

Speaker 9 (55:26):
Well?

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Though not on his radar? I mean I feel like
I'm hearing conflicting stories behind the scenes. I'm hearing actually
that he had been told and that there is paper
trail showing he had been told.

Speaker 24 (55:37):
Well, he has come out today. Well then you know
more than I. But I understand that he's come out
today and he said that he did not know about it,
and he first heard about it in the last twenty
four hours.

Speaker 20 (55:46):
So what is he lying?

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't lay that accusation. But maybe
he's just not checking his emails, you know, I don't.

Speaker 25 (55:55):
Can I say something that will maybe bring us all
together and maybe even the top is in the house.
Can we say, can we agree that filming pervy videos
and supermarkets? Can we actually make that a crime? Do
you mind if we actually make that a crime? I
think you know, and I've got a.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
Perfect partment to come on, how do you make that
a crime?

Speaker 21 (56:13):
Well, you just decided it's a crime.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
It's pervy or not because what your artistic to someone?
I might see and I might be like, oh, look
that's Tim Wilson from the Huddle is picking his nose.
Let me take a video. And then you might say, oh,
she's being a.

Speaker 21 (56:29):
Perverse Well, well it would be it would be unnecessarily.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Second second part of your argument, please.

Speaker 25 (56:36):
The second part of that is, you see what we
could do is for a punishment, we could have the
stocks Now, call me old fashioned, but it would be
cost effective to be public shame, and that would take
care of all of this stuff quite readily.

Speaker 9 (56:48):
I'm for that.

Speaker 24 (56:48):
I'm for that.

Speaker 21 (56:49):
There we go, I new. Thank you Ellie, thank you Heather.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
You want to put people in the stocks?

Speaker 9 (56:55):
Yeah? Do you not? Do you not?

Speaker 21 (56:59):
Let's bring back let's bring back public shame. I think necessary.

Speaker 24 (57:03):
Let's only do the stocks in the summer when tomatoes
are cheap.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
Listen to him.

Speaker 21 (57:07):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
The point of the stocks was what public humiliation?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Do you not think that we've achieved that?

Speaker 7 (57:15):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (57:15):
I think I think that's publicly Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
I mean if I was Michael Forbes, do you not
feel like this Michael Forbes is going to have to
change his name and go work in the mines, isn't he?

Speaker 25 (57:26):
I think he is. And I think probably a positive
in this is that the actual that the horror at
these actions, this behavior, and that that's a good thing.
I mean, we expect more from our leaders and from
the people that served them, and mostly the people that
served them work very hard to do so.

Speaker 6 (57:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
Can I can I ask you a question?

Speaker 9 (57:42):
Though?

Speaker 10 (57:43):
Tim?

Speaker 4 (57:43):
This is the thing that I'm not decided on yet.
Does this reflect badly on the Prime Minister's office, on
the wider National Party or do people see this as
just a Michael Forbes problem?

Speaker 25 (57:54):
Yeah, you know what I could see, I guess yeah,
I was thinking about that and whether that you know,
it's it's indicative of anything. At the moment, We've just
got one person who has this, has this sort of
industrial campaign of pervery. If we had a few more,
I think I think that you could see a trend,
But at the moment it's just it seems to be
one I don't know outlier I would certainly hope.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
So, yeah, all right, we'll take a break, come back
to you guys. Shortly sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 4 (58:27):
Tim. Have you seen that West Gold the butter people
raise their prices after the fundraisers the Kiddi's fundraisers went
too hard?

Speaker 9 (58:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah, I just I could not believe it.

Speaker 7 (58:37):
Why not?

Speaker 25 (58:38):
I mean, well, you've created a scheme to help charities
and then when it's really really successful, you decide to
penalize the charities by raising the price to the bar
I mean, it's a marketing opportunity.

Speaker 21 (58:54):
Of a lifetime. It's publicity money couldn't buy. And I
blinded up.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
Yeah, I don mean. I mean what I think has
happened yet, Allie, is that they've initially priced the butter
too low, haven't they. I mean, four dollars for a
block of West coll butter is clearly too low.

Speaker 9 (59:11):
No, it's not.

Speaker 24 (59:11):
And I actually got not sucked into. This is where
my maths should be better. So I ordered one hundred
and what was it, eight hundred and sixty dollars worth
of the butter, right so that I thought they were
five hundred grand blocks because for yeah, I know, four
dollars a block, I thought that's a bloody steal. That
is there about ten dollars in the shops anyway, Then

(59:32):
they were two hundred and fifty grams, so I halved
my order. I'm sorry, I just couldn't afford the one
hundred and sixty. So I've halved the order. But I'm
thrilled to support them, and I would keep doing this,
and I would rather buy my butter this way if
it helped the school, and I got my butter. It
is cheaper than the supermarket, Heather, and I totally agree
with him.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
What the hell do you need one hundred and sixty
dollars worth of butter? Don't?

Speaker 9 (59:55):
I haven't.

Speaker 24 (59:57):
He's not listening to this on the way now we're
on a no butter, no fat diet on the moment.

Speaker 25 (01:00:02):
Goodness, No, Actually, you know what this is.

Speaker 21 (01:00:07):
This is a brilliant fundraising because here's the deal.

Speaker 25 (01:00:10):
Costco butter is ten bucks of kilo, so that's one
buck one hundred gram. So's as the head of MAXIM,
which is a charity, Maxim Institute's charity, I'll only go
down to Costco, spend a bit of dough and start
flogging butter in the same way.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
In order to raise money for MAXIM. Absolutely, I know
someone who would spend a lot of money on that butter,
and it's Ali Ellie. I still don't understand. I can't
understand why you're spending one hundred and sixty dollars on
butter when you're on a diet that doesn't let you
eat it.

Speaker 24 (01:00:38):
Because I'm going to put it in the freezer and
I'll come after diet soon and people come and visit,
and I like to bake for people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
There's always a reason.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
But also I thought I could help.

Speaker 24 (01:00:47):
You know, I'm supporting the school, Leaffield School. I thought
i'd support them and get slightly cheaper but freeze yes,
oh yes, cheese butter. You can't freeze toilet rolls. I
just put them on a cupboard. But you've got some.

Speaker 25 (01:01:04):
And I think Alice's got some explaining to do once
when she gets home, of course he is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
I mean, I feel like the number of children you've
got going on at the moment, Tim, you might need
to get into this as well. Have you ever heard
of the Strava running app?

Speaker 25 (01:01:18):
Tem Well, I hadn't until I realized that you can
douce it somehow hack it to tell lies. It's like
cheating when you're playing solitaire.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
It's ridiculous because you're only cheating yourself. Is that what
you mean?

Speaker 21 (01:01:30):
Well, well, that's it.

Speaker 25 (01:01:31):
I mean, I think a much better way is to
strap the Strava app to your kids feet and send
them out running and then they can do it.

Speaker 21 (01:01:38):
That's that's what we do with four kids. That's how
that's how you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Need a Strava app is because you have four kids,
so you're basically running all the time. Have you ever
heard of.

Speaker 24 (01:01:47):
Yeah, I have. I'm delivering delivering flies at the moment
for my role on the city council here on the
community board, and a girlfriend who's helping me actually showed
me her delivery path by showing me the Strava app.
So I've loaded it, but I can't make it work.
But one thing I wanted to say quickly the footbit app.
You can cheat the footbit if you go to the theater,

(01:02:08):
a live theater, and you clap, or you do lots
of ironing, you can increase your steps hugely. Ironing and
clapping as steps.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Yes, because of course it's the arm motion. Also, this
is one of the failures, isn't it of you know
that the smart watch is reading your sleep, because if
you're just lying dead still, you could be wide awake
and be dreaming of how much you like spend on
your butter, just lying there with insomnia. But as long
as your arm's not moving, it thinks you're sleeping, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:02:37):
Can you forget all that about the butter?

Speaker 19 (01:02:38):
No?

Speaker 21 (01:02:39):
Yeah, we'll move on.

Speaker 25 (01:02:40):
I wonder if we're going to just start to distrust
everything digital because it's possible to you know, you've got
deep fakes, you've got AI producing posts on LinkedIn that
read like their posts produced by AI, and now you
can hack Strava. I think if it doesn't actually happen
in front of our noses, we're going to think, no,
this didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
We should have a healthy distrust, shouldn't we go? Thank
you very much, Ellie Jones read pr Tim Wilson Maximus
as you. Yeah, so what's what's happened is that read
the Strava app. It works the same as like Matt
My Run or any of those things, but there's't There's
another app called Fake my Run, in which you can
basically pretend you can make it makes it look like
you've done the run, and then you can load that
onto your Strava app, and then all your friends will go, oh, wow,

(01:03:20):
look at how far you've run. Wow, you're amazing, You're great.
But you haven't actually done it at all. And anyway,
I think just apropos what Tim was saying about distrusting
digital stuff. I have a smart watch, but I worry
about my smart watch because I worry a little bit,
ever so slightly obviously not enough to take it off,
but I worry ever so slightly about what's going to
happen with this data, because one day is the insurance

(01:03:43):
company going to look at it and go, yeah, well,
we're not going to pay for your hearing aids when
you're sixty five, because look at look at how many
times your smart watch told you it's too noisy and
you just went dismissed, dismissed, dismissed, dismissed, dismiss and you
stayed where it was noisy. You had a warning and actually, no,
we've seen what you That's what I'm worried about. And

(01:04:03):
what really worries me is that the shower sets it off.
Does you'll set it off because I'm in the shower
and it's like it's very noise, it's too noisy in here.
Well I can't get around that, can I. So it's lying.
And when the insurance company ruins my life by not
paying for my thing because of the data, it'll be
because I got it wrong. Eight away from six.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
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Speaker 4 (01:04:29):
Hither your health apps take movement, body temp, pulse, and
respiration into account for sleeping, not just lack of movement. Otherwise,
working as a radio host would really boost sleep time.
Rude from Alan Hither, if you're showering with your phone,
you're addicted, mate, Bill, Hello, it's a smart watch. You're
not with your phone. Geez, get with it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:49):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
By the way, a thing happened heither. Wasn't there another
National Party MP or a list who had to leave
due to doing something sexually dodgy? Yes, this is kind
of what I was alluding to when I was talking
Tim Wilson just before. There is now there's now a
kind of like a longish list of people associated with
the National Party to some extent who have been busted

(01:05:11):
doing weird things. Right, So Jake Bizant, remember he was
a candidate, he impersonated his ex partner on dating apps.
And then you had Andrew Fulloun who was an MP
who was busted sending sexually explicit photos to a woman.
And now you've got this now, I think, I mean,
any right minded person would say, look, these are clearly

(01:05:31):
individual circumstances.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
It's not as if like people have people do weird things,
people have got secrets and you know, you can't really
like there's just a level of creep out there in
society where if you hire people, you're going it some
of them are going to be creeps, right, But unfortunately
it just allows the opposition to kind of throw that
thing at the National Party and be like, look, you're
you've got creepy people attached to you. So anyway, I
don't think it's good for them. Now we're going to talk.

(01:05:55):
I'm going to talk about something that Tacoota Ferris did
in the house earlier. I will do it later. Was
going to talk about the Gas to six. Got to
tell you about Dave Dobbin. So I went to Dave
Dobbin last night with the girls the concert club and
just can I just say I sometimes I'm not sure
that we actually appreciate how much of a legend this
sky is, which is and he doesn't do very many

(01:06:16):
shows nowadays, So when the tickets came up, we were like, yep, no,
we've got to go to this thing, right This guy,
a friend of mine, once said to me, if Dave
Dobbin didn't look like he did, which is ginger and short,
he would be world famous. And you'd have to agree
with that, don't you think, Because he is just so
unbelievably talented. He did just a fantastic set last night,
and I've got to say, you know, the signs of

(01:06:36):
the Parkinson's are obviously there, Like he was struggling. He
was struggling at times for breath, and I really felt
for him. But he did this fantastic set And then
I thought about it today about the songs he left
on the floor. He didn't even play Wailing, didn't even
play Loyal, didn't even play.

Speaker 10 (01:06:52):
Outlook for Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
I mean, like that's basically Toto set list, do you
know what I mean? Like that's the extent of Toto's
hits right there. He was like, I've got enough hits
in my set, don't need those three. So anyway, Oh
yet Asian sagarette, how good? How good? Anyway? Got on
your Dave, What a good night you gues next need

(01:07:17):
it's beautiful.

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Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Even in coming up in the next hour with Jamie
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he will be with us soon to tell us all
about it. Sam Dickey will talk us through just how
nuts that US debt level is. And we're going to
go to the UK right now at seven pass. Now
the debate on the punishment for the Maori parties has
just closed. Bit of a surprise as to how that happened.

Speaker 9 (01:07:51):
We wo to on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Is this?

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
You can't have a second speech?

Speaker 9 (01:07:57):
Are you?

Speaker 21 (01:07:58):
Are you moving emotion?

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
It is a I've just I am moving a point
for a minute.

Speaker 9 (01:08:03):
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
That the debate on this question now close.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
Nothing is straightforward about this, is it? Eight past six?
The New Zealand's gas situation is even worse than we
might have fought. Natural gas reserves have fallen twenty seven
percent compared to last year. Previously, we thought that our
annual gas production would fall below one hundred peda dules
in twenty twenty nine, but it now looks like that's
actually gonna happen last year, which means running out of
gas faster than we thought. John Carnegie is the chief

(01:08:32):
executive of Energy Resources AlSi at all, Hey John, Hey
here you doing I'm okay? Should we be alarmed?

Speaker 26 (01:08:40):
Well yep, But this is another sad chapter on the
Diary of our energy sector crisis?

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Why should we be alarmed? What does this mean?

Speaker 9 (01:08:48):
Well?

Speaker 26 (01:08:48):
Look, put, simply, with the rapidly reducing gas supply, I
guess reserves are at historical low levels. New Zealand's facing
higher energy prices, increased reliance on imported coal, uncertainty for
industrial users, and flow on potential impacts into the electricity security.

(01:09:10):
So you know, without rapid actually without rapid action to
improve our gas supplies, New Zealand will experience a collapse
in our gas deliveries before twenty thirty and actually experience
what I can only modestly describe as an energy shock.

Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
Okay, so what does it mean if we have a
collapse in our gas supplies?

Speaker 26 (01:09:31):
Oh, well, it means that we well, we'll try and
use alternatives. So as we're seeing in the electricity sector
where we're using coal.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Can we replace the level of gas that we would
lose in a collapse? Can we replace that with coal?

Speaker 26 (01:09:48):
No, we can use more coal in the electricity system,
But no we can't.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
We can't because John, there are times are there not
in normal winters, where everything is running full bore, including coal,
And even then we're just making it so if we
lose gas, then we're having blackouts, aren't we.

Speaker 26 (01:10:08):
Well that's a pretty grim prognosis, but the risk it
certainly increases of us having blackouts. But I guess the
other issue is that we will be seeing more renewables
come on stream, but you know, they're not at scale
and they're not affordable at the moment. So an absence
of gas points us to a rather rocky five to

(01:10:30):
ten years.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Okay, what does an energy shock in New Zealand look like?

Speaker 26 (01:10:35):
Well, I guess it means that Carla Stays will have
nothing on that. I mean it means we have factories
closing for periods, we have periods where potentially we're without power.
But look, I don't particularly want to dwell on that,
because you know, ultimately the system will adjust and we

(01:10:56):
will get renewables or we will go without for a while.
But in terms of where we're at, we've got a
government that's increasingly and heavily engaged in the issue, as
you've seen with the two hundred million dollar fund, and
so the prospects we are hoping that these numbers are
at the lowest they will ever be, and that we

(01:11:18):
will see a turnaround in condition, is there a.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
Risk that if our supply keeps on falling at the
rate that it is, that actually it gets to a
point where it starts to also deter investment because people
look at it and go, jees, it's just it's I mean,
that industry is just so tiny. Now we're not going
to bother.

Speaker 26 (01:11:38):
Yes, but that's not the point that we're at. And
as I said, with the two hundred the changes that
the government's looking to do legislatively in terms of reversing
the band, ameliorating the worst excesses of the decommissioning rules
that was put on by the last government, and a
two hundred million dollar fund, you know, we're hopeful that investment,
the investment sentiment of the sect that will change towards

(01:12:02):
undertaking more activity and actually growing yeah guess reserves.

Speaker 4 (01:12:06):
Yeah, here's hoping.

Speaker 10 (01:12:07):
John.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Thank you very much to really appreciate it. John can't
eggy Energy Resources OUTSIET or a chief executive.

Speaker 9 (01:12:12):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Speaking on the subject of energy, A formal complaint has
been lodged over Transpower against Transpower rather over that tower
falling over in Northland, you know, the one where the
nuts weren't put on the bolts. You know that one,
You know, the one with the clown music, that one.
The Electricity Authority is the one who's lodged this complaint
against Transpower. Basically, what it says is Transpower failed to

(01:12:33):
adhere to good industry practice around the maintenance of power. Now,
this is not to be confused with the report that
the Electricity Authority has done. This is a completely separate
process by the looks of things. So they've lodged this complaint,
this formal complaint about the lack of adherence to good
industry practice. This now goes to an independent panel, which
called the Rulings Panel. If the Rulings Panel uphold the complaint,

(01:12:55):
Transpower faces penalties of up to twelve million. I made that.
I made them worrey exciting that it was two million dollars,
but hey, look we'll take what we can get. Thirteen
past six, It's the.

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Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
So what has happened? Just to get you completely across,
this is the end of the matter with Parliament. They
have now voted. The Martyr Party MPs have been suspended.
Sir Hannah might be at RAFITSI Clark, Hannah Rafty might
be Clark. Sorry, I got an a mixed up there.
She has been suspended for seven days. Debbie and Raweri
have been suspended each for twenty one days. Now what
this means and Bryce Edwards when he was on earlier

(01:13:47):
kind of alluded to this. What this means is that
Takuta Ferris says there are implications for the ewis that
he's involved with.

Speaker 11 (01:13:57):
So I stand here before you as an OUI of
the song diferent people of Nazi Komenu, and as a
son of the sovereign people of Nazi Kenny, fully authorized
to speak on their behalf and declare to this house
that we enact the rights of retortion and hereby suspend
our ongoing agreement and consent to tility or white Tongui
for a period of twenty one days.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
So what he's saying is the two ew that he's
involved with are going to basically stop just for twenty
one days to spend their agreement on the Treaty of
White Thangy. So we spoke to Nazi Kohungungu chair Baden Barber.
I gave him a call about this word that this
has happened, and said, what's up with this? What does
this even mean? Practically? If you're now not going to
you're just pulling out for twenty one days, he said.

(01:14:40):
Takutaferras spoke to him about this idea in May so
last month. He's surprised that Takutaferis is going ahead with
it today. Could have at least sent him a text.
Barbara says the EWEI will take a break from engaging
with the government while they conduct a series of hui
with their people to figure out what the next twenty
five years of the EWI means. And he says engaging
with the government has been challenging. He wants to let
his people's always be heard. So in practical terms, I

(01:15:02):
don't really know what part of the treaty is he
not going are they not going to do for twenty
one days? Just we'll find out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
Heather duplusy Ellen, listen, this is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
A thing that I am starting to I'm slightly obsessed
about and I'm slightly obsessed about this because obviously that
we boys about three and a half now, so we're
kind of getting into that territory where you've got to
be choosing schools and stuff like that. You know, when
he's five, he goes off to school. Bang boy. Anyway,
open planing classrooms. I hate them. I think I hate them.

(01:15:34):
I think I hate the idea of them. And the
more that I see about them, the more I hate them.
And so today we find out that there is a
second christ school that's getting rid of them. This is
Shirley Boys High School. They are going to spend eight
hundred thousand dollars to put the walls back up. So
what happened with Shirley Boys is they used to have
walls like every sensible school used to. But then when

(01:15:56):
the quake obviously just you know, had to go at
the school and they had to be rebuilt afterwards, it
was very, very in vogue with the Ministry of Education
to knock all the wolves out and have those barn
style classrooms where everybody is just happy with like three
hundred thousand children all in one giant room together. Sounds
like a great idea. No, but it was very fashionable
the Ministry of Education at the time of the rebuild,

(01:16:16):
and so Shirley Boys decided to opt for it. And
so once it was all construction, dne blah blah blah
opens in twenty nineteen. Six years later. They hate it.
They are spending huge amounts of money to get rid
of it. The principle says the level of distraction was
just too high. There was too much movement going on.
They can hear what is happening in the class next door.
They think, oh, that's interesting. That sounds interesting over there.

(01:16:37):
I wonder what they're doing, particularly if something's being played
on TV or anything like that. So that level of
distraction was a negative factor. He says. The staff are
absolutely thrilled that the walls are coming back. One teacher
is so happy she's been hugging the walls just because
she's so happy to have that level, that barrier there
between this set of boys and that set of boys.
At Angie Order High School was the first high school

(01:16:59):
to do it, and they did it last year. The
principal said, huge difference, huge difference. Said, it is not
what I was expecting. I was expecting a small shift
in engagement, in attendance, in achievement. But it has gone
through the roof. It's made a massive difference in everything
in the school now. I don't know about you, but

(01:17:21):
I'm pretty sure that we were having this debate at
the time that they were doing it, and we were going,
this is not a good idea. No, we've got No,
we've got children, and it's really good if we can
sort of, you know, not distract them when we're trying
to trying to do a thing. No, they said, no,
let's take all the walls out and see how that
goes for us. The Ministry of Education does not have
figures on how many schools have or want to convert

(01:17:42):
away from their barn spaces. I beg you, it's a lot.
Six twenty.

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Six twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Jamie Mackay, Hosts of the Country. I Jmie, hello, it's
great to be here in person. Congratulations on your award.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
Well a lot for again, what's it for? I think
it's something like outstanding contribution to radio, But in brackets.

Speaker 17 (01:18:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:18:11):
To be honest, I've been trying to win a radio
award for thirty years and I eventually won something only
I've been hanging around.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Is this the one they give?

Speaker 11 (01:18:20):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
This is the one that they give to someone who's
tried heaps of times and not one. Yeah, they go,
let's just put the guy out of his misery, given
this one.

Speaker 7 (01:18:26):
Yeah, and then normally just before they put you out
to pasture.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
So are we scouting for a Jamie replacement? Then of
course we're not. Jamie. You deserve it because you've done
a fantastic job, haven't you be honest about it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Oh?

Speaker 26 (01:18:38):
No?

Speaker 7 (01:18:38):
But I mean the one thing I have achieved is
way early on, I think I saw there was a
gap in commercial radio for rural programming, and we tied
that in with a bit of farming and footy. We
were doing rugby commentaries back in the day, down on
Hokkanui and Gore. Yeah, And so I was often say
in life here that you don't have to be the best.
I'm far from the best. I'm no here, I'm no husk.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Was.

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
What I was smart enough to do was to realize
there was an opportunity. First so you know, thirty years
or thirty one years in my case, Rural Broadcasting still
own a couple of radio stations down South, even though
one's a computer. Rack and Belcluther, Heather, But it's been
a great journey, and the likes of my dear cousin
You're better half, actually your worse half, Barry, like he's

(01:19:24):
been on my show like for thirty years. So we
just formed these long, long bonds. And I've been speaking
to the Prime Minister of the day every year since
the year two thousand. When Helen Clark came asked to
go on to our show, did she down on South?
And simply because, Heather and you're a student of political history.
Simply because there was this young whipper snapper called Bill

(01:19:45):
English who she thought was a bit of a threat.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Oh interesting, she thought, get him while get listen, Jamie.
What I think you're too hard on yourself. But what
I want to say is the thing that you have
got is that you're immensely likable. And I think that's
that's the most important thing. And I could keep trying
to do that too. I could keep working on that one.

Speaker 7 (01:20:06):
You know, the only soft thing about you is your teeth.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
That's exactly Thank you for being honest, Bears now.

Speaker 7 (01:20:12):
You need that in your job. I'm not as hard
hitting as don't listen.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
I don't want to turn this into a mutual admiration society,
but a family own the fact that you are a
wonderfully likable man, and that is very very important. Incredibly
some people would say charming. Now is it beers now?

Speaker 7 (01:20:27):
Yeah, it's bears now. So we've got the formalities out
of the road, and I know that you. I mean,
you've been that busy working. You can only go to
the after match, so I'm really looking forward to catching
up with you with cousin Barry afterwards. It's always a
pleasure to be up in Auckland with the big guns.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Got on you, Jamie, listen, go well, go and enjoy
your beersies and we'll see you there shortly enough. It's
Jeremy McKay, Host of the Country. Now Elon Musk. A
couple of things to tell you about Elon Musk. So
apparently his staff in Washington are a bunch of filth.
So I don't know if you're aware of this, but
what happened as Doge his little outfit that he was running,

(01:21:02):
took over the offices of a Washington nonprofit agency, the
US Institute of Peace Officers. They took them over in
March and they were there until May, and then at
that point a district court judge over there ruled the
seizure was illegal and they had to leave the offices
and stuff. But apparently they trashed the place. This is
only in the space of two months, maximum three if
you count each month as a full months. Right March

(01:21:23):
April May, they trashed the building. They left behind drugs,
They attracted rats and cockroaches. The chief of security, Colin O'Brien,
told The Independent that food left behind by the use
of staff and the office a cafe, and in the
office cafe becan to decompose, attracting rats. Water pipes dried
out from a lack of use and became highways for

(01:21:44):
cockroaches heading inside the office to feed on the rotting
remains of the food. There was widespread vandalism, including graffiti
and flags and logos had been removed as war trophies.
This is what you know, because you can just you
can just imagine that Elon just associates with far too
many men. Do you know what I mean, like he
seems like that kind of guy. He's like lots of

(01:22:06):
blokes around him. Well, if there's too many blokes, it
just gets dirty. And I rest my case. Anyway, Elon
back here, still struggling to get people to buy his
Tesla's because of course he's he's completely irritated his usual
fan base, who are like, you know, like people who
care about the climate and care about voting left and stuff.
That too irritated that I don't want to buy the
Tesla's anymore. So our electric vehicle sales have rebounded, but

(01:22:29):
Tesla is still struggling to kind of get back up
again in New Zealand. So Polestars Polestar two car is
the number one evy. In May, they managed to register
seventy two of them. But the Tesla model why only fifty.
Now you might go, oh, well that's not bad. Fifty
for May and the other one's seventy two. Not a
huge difference, But remember the Tesla model why is Tesla's

(01:22:51):
biggest seller, So you would expect those guys to be
doing big numbers. Anyway, This is the price you paid.
This is what I keep saying, right, don't get into politics.
If you'll if you actually are supposed to be doing
something else, you're doing business, if you're doing sport, don't
get in because you will lose customers or you will
lose fans. Because politics is just too intense at the minute.

(01:23:12):
You just want to stay right out of it.

Speaker 10 (01:23:14):
And if you are going to get into politics, at
least do your dishes for the rats, don't search.

Speaker 4 (01:23:16):
Oh goodness, man man and the cockroach is using the
pipes as highways headlines.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
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Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
These talks en be.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Ender oh updates on ender End has pulled out of
the race. Enda has pulled out of the race. So
I'm going to give you the reasons for that shortly.
God Elizabeth Callahan with us in about ten minutes time
out of the UK here that the only reason that
primary schools went through with the open planned classrooms was
because it was the only way that you could get
upgrades in your schools. But I think you'll find that
most had movable walls put in pretty much straight away

(01:24:07):
because the older teachers had been through this before and
knew it wasn't going to work. Lull, Thank you, Lynn.
I think everybody who's ever had a child surely would
have looked at it and gone, that's not going to work.
But anyway, whatever, You've got to let the educators keep
on trying the latest fashionable thing, don't you twenty four
away from seven, Sam Dickey for your funds with me? Now,

(01:24:27):
Hey Sam, Heather, we're going, oh mate, very well. We've
got to talk about this US debt burden because this
has been getting a lot of attention at the moment.
What is going on? Where are we at with the
US debt burden?

Speaker 27 (01:24:39):
So they owe thirty six trillion dollars, it's about one
hundred thousand dollars per person, which is one hundred and
twenty five percent of GDP And that compares to US
in Australia about fifty percent of GDP. But it's similar
to heavily indebted countries like It's Lee, Greece, France and
even China. And it's in the spotlight right now because
one hundred and twenty five five around the peak we

(01:25:02):
saw post immediately post World War Two, when the US
had to borrow a lot to finance it's war effort.
And critically, US interest rates, especially those medium term interest.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Rates, are near their highs.

Speaker 27 (01:25:14):
So the thirty year interest rates that had eight year high,
and that means annual interest payments on that debt pile
are now over one trillion dollars. Then, of course we
have Trump's big, beautiful bill, and those against that say
we'll left government debt by three to five trillion over
the next decade.

Speaker 4 (01:25:29):
Somebody sent me a couple of charts on this today, Sam,
and it was it was remarkable to see how the
debt had kind of run along the ground for such
a long time, and then all of a sudden you
get this enormous spike. Have they got just a problem
with their attitude towards debt there at the moment in
the last fifty sixty.

Speaker 27 (01:25:46):
Years, Well, yes, they've I think. I guess it was
basically in the eighties or post the eighties, and certainly
into the nineties when they became addicted to debt and
the green span put got put in place where so
every time there was a slight problem, he'd cut interest rates,
stoke propensity to borrow, and stoke growth. So I do

(01:26:09):
think not just then, but I think everyone around the
world has got a little bit of a problem and
is slightly addicted to debt.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
So what are the risks. Some of the risks are
quite hoppy or something.

Speaker 27 (01:26:20):
Well, yeah, I mean the worst case scenario, and I've
got to say I think this is a very low probability,
is we're knocking on the door of what some people
call the debt doom loop. So that's that self reinforcing
cycle whereby that the debt burden reaches a tipping point
and that drives up the borrowing costs that lenders would want.
They'd want a high risk premium, which in turn drives
up debt. And as the cost of borrowing rises for

(01:26:42):
the government, it would also rise for individuals and businesses.
That would drive down GDP growth and therefore further inflate
dead as a percentage of GDP. Now that is quite
a doomsday scenario. Before we get too excited, a couple
of things. Firstly, the US dollar is the world reserve currency.
They can print more dollars to ensure they don't default.
It's not that attractive either. But also at the stage

(01:27:05):
GDP growth is higher than interest costs, so we're nowhere
near a doom loop. We should all brace though hither
I think for more of that political brinksmanship you and
I have talked about before, back in twenty twenty three,
when the government debt ceiling is close to being breached,
and that whole debate with Congress will come up in
August of this year, So watch out for that extremely

(01:27:26):
low probability but extremely high impact event if it ever happened.
How do they solve this, well, three ways, faster growth,
or fiscal discipline, or financial repression. So that's keeping interest
rates artificially low, so taking each one of those in
turn on faster growth.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Of course, the maths is simple.

Speaker 27 (01:27:45):
Accelerating GDP reduces debt divided by GDP, and of course
everyone wants faster growth, but the problem is that usually
comes with higher inflation and therefore higher interest rates. Now
there is some early, early hope that AI can drive
productivity and economic growth while driving down prices we shall see.
On the austerity side or fiscal discipline, no one, No

(01:28:08):
one wants that from a political point of view, and
that's why it's often not used in the market. Had
hope the doge, and it's promised to cut wastage would
be the first step in this austerity journey, but obviously
musks out on his ear and it seems like those
big savings are a pipe dream. Let's not forget, though,
that the US is driven down debt post World War II,

(01:28:29):
which drove of debt from around current levels one hundred
and twenty five percent of GDP to thirty percent, and
they also did it again in the nineteen eighties and
then Portugal, Italy Island, Greece and Spain, the pigs in
Europe had austerity forced upon them during the European financial crisis.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
That this is absolutely doable.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Okay, So what do investors need to think about when
they're thinking about all this stuff.

Speaker 27 (01:28:50):
Well, that the good news is that the riskers front
and center really is and it's been openly debated by
investors and politicians.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
That's great news. It's also good news that we learn post.

Speaker 27 (01:28:58):
Liberation Day that Trump doesn't care about stock prices, but
he does react to the bond market because the rise
in interest rates affected everyone. It's always true that politicians
have said for many years, we all know what to do,
but we don't know how to do it and get
re elected so we probably need the market, or more

(01:29:19):
specifically the bond market and rising interest rates to force
politicians hands.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
So we should be watching this one pretty closely.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
As always, Thank you so much, Sam, I really appreciate
it that Sam Dickey for your funds. It's nineteen away
from seven ever do for Ce Allen. This is a
fair point, aproposed me saying some time ago that I
thought that I well, I had a friend of mine
said to me, consider this, If Dave Dobbyin wasn't ginger

(01:29:47):
and short, he'd be world famous because he's such a
blinking legion when it comes to the guitar and the
old vocal pipes. A lot of people have pointed out
Ed Shearon is ginger and short. Somebody mark's gone on
a limit saying, ed, Shearon is ginger and ugly, which is,
you know, harsh but true. So but and I'm going
to counter that debate by saying, yes, but Ed Sheeran

(01:30:09):
is ginger, short and living in the UK, so he's
got a geographic advantage over our Dave. And also when
he started, he was a lot younger than you know.
When Dave broke away from from the bands and went solo,
I think he was a little bit more on the
old side, do you know what I mean? I still
think that Dave is I just think that once again,
I just don't think that we appreciate how amazing Dave

(01:30:32):
is that doing music because we just kind of take
him for granted. And also because he did that stink
thing with fat foot rat foot flats blah blah, you
know what I mean? Yeah, that was rubbish shay, Like,
let's be honest about it. Slice of Heaven sucks. I
mean that dragged down his average, didn't it? Like everything
else was way up there with It's like after hit
after hit after hit. You know, all those great tunes

(01:30:55):
out of the old the dudes ded he smash. He
had all of that, and you had all of all
his epportunes that he was doing by himself. Pour the
wine beside beside, But then blinking, oh man, that song
sucks Slice of Heaven. Doesn't it drag down the average
big time? Think he did himself a disservice with that anyway.

(01:31:18):
Can I just say, on the subject of New Zealand singers,
is there anything that Anika Moore cannot do? Because this
woman is a legend, and once again I think that
we do take her for granted, and I don't think
we realize how awesome she is. And when you listen
to the kiddie songs, you'll understand what I mean, because
you can wildly. You can entertain your child with some
beautiful music that you also like, unlike Coco Malon. For example,

(01:31:41):
she has written a book. It's called The Witch of
Makatu and the Bleating Lambs. She has now been nominated
as a finalist for the Best First Book in this
year's New Zealand Children and Young Adult Book Awards. So
she's a mum, she's a radio host, she's a singer,
like quite a significantly successful scene. And now it turns
out she writes kid's books as well. Sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
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News talks, it'd be right thirteen away from seven, and
Elizabeth Callahan is our UK correspondent. Elizabeth. Hello, Hi there, Heather,
doing well. Thank you. Can you guys afford five percent
on defense spending?

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
Absolutely not so.

Speaker 28 (01:32:30):
Obviously, Donald Trump is calling for NATO Nations to spend
five percent of its GDP on defense. We're having arguments
in the UK at the moment about pushing it to
three percent, so all of this week. I spake to
you earlier this week about pressure on the government to
increase it to thirty percent to pay for this big
strategic defense review that they unveiled earlier this week. So

(01:32:53):
Pete Hogsworth has reiterated this again this morning, taking a
message to Muscles where defense NATO defense ministers are meeting
and saying that they want this five percent. As they say,
the defense ministers are all meeting. Our Defense Secretary John
Healy is kind of trying to get away from the

(01:33:16):
whole percentage talk by talking about this review that we
published this week. But we've said the three percent would
be going up in the next parliamentary term. Starmers said
that won't confirm when, and obviously that's really far away.
We're up to two point five and twenty twenty seven.

(01:33:36):
But there's this is another headache really for our Chancellor
Rachel Reeves. It's trying to balance the books, trying to
give money to you know, lots and lots of different departments,
and I just don't know how this is going to
pay unless there's going to be tax rises even to
get to the three percent.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
I mean, you guys could go down the path that
we've gone down, which Argentina has gone down in a
really significant way, and actually cut spending. I mean, I
feel like even the labor government is lining up for
a little bit of a trembeck on the welfare. Don't
you think.

Speaker 9 (01:34:05):
That is a brave move there, Heather?

Speaker 28 (01:34:08):
You are not, you know, getting pressured. I think there's
so much pressure now from NATO and Trump and you
know they want to shot my.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Ideas, just shut it down. It's just not going to happen.
I'm afraid. It's a please ask for you guys. Yeah,
we'll try. Oh look the baby steps on our side.
Don't worry about it. We're hardly there as well. Listen,
how on earth the scammers actually get the bitter of
the tax authority?

Speaker 6 (01:34:34):
I have no idea.

Speaker 28 (01:34:35):
So h M r c's are government tax office and
it's been revealed today this came to light in a
select committee, usually very very dull kind of committees. Scammers
have stolen nearly fifty million pounds from the tax authority

(01:34:57):
through a fishing scam, So this isn't a cyber attack
or hacking. They're very keen to say that, even though
it is kind of a kind of to be honest.
So people use personal information to set up accounts and
then went on to claim tax rebates. So quite but

(01:35:18):
quite how forty seven million pounds went missing without nobody's
sort of realizing, you know, they've said it's a lot
of money. It is very unacceptable.

Speaker 9 (01:35:28):
But the.

Speaker 28 (01:35:32):
Parliamentary chairs is like, how on earth has this got
to happen?

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
And how are we only hearing about it?

Speaker 28 (01:35:36):
This happened last year, there has been a criminal investigation,
there has been a rest, but this is only really
coming to light now.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
The press has got a hold of it.

Speaker 28 (01:35:45):
So lots of questions and obviously that's money that could
be going towards our defense.

Speaker 9 (01:35:49):
Well there you go, There you.

Speaker 4 (01:35:50):
Go, all wealthy, depending on how you want to split it, Elizabeth,
there's a lot of places, Elizabeth, thank you has always
appreciated Elizabeth Callahan, a UK responding yes, so indo, Brady, So.

Speaker 10 (01:36:02):
I have a lord.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
I don't really know what he's going to do now.
I would expect that he'd probably goes straight back to work,
but maybe he needs a little bit of time to
you know, nurses as he go, because he's pulled out
of the race. So I don't know if you're aware
of it, but he's been down in Peru and he's
been doing this two hundred and thirty k's Jungle Ultra
and it's basically five stages, right, so he's got to
run with like a huge amount of gear, a reasonable

(01:36:24):
amount of gear on your back. They give you the
water and stuff like that. I think they may give
you the food. But anyway, you do five marathons in
five days, so you do a marathon camp, stay the night,
do a marathon camp, stay the night, and you do
that over the five days. He's pulled out at stage three.
He says, the phenomenal sport has taken my legs everywhere
from the Arctic Circle to Kenya to the Amazon. But

(01:36:45):
he basically decided he's got to pull out because he
has a family and he can put himself at risk.
And he's done it on his Instagram. If you want
to follow him, it'd be thrilled with that does it
on his Instagram and frankly does look like he's but
he's a butt naked and while you know, no one
likes a quitter, I'd probably have quit before I even started,

(01:37:05):
if I'm completely honest. Seems like madness to even do
it in the first place. Eight away from.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Seven, it's the Heather Toop c Allen Drive Full Show
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Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
Six away from seven, here's some money we can save
if we want to try and save some money so
that we can boost up our defense spending or something
like that. Taxpayers Union reckons that the Department of Conservation
has been shelling out huge amounts of money for reports
to be written for them. They that's weird who they're paying.
They're paying a group called the Environmental Defense Society, who

(01:37:39):
the Taxpayers Union reckon are basically eco lobbyists. They're just
lobbyists who care heaps about the environment. And apparently these
guys produced two reports for one hundred and fifty seven
thousand dollars. And when you look at how much they
paid per page, it's about five hundred and sixty dollars
per page per page. Hello, have you heard of AI
as free? Well, no, it's not free. It's forty dollars
a month. As I'm finding out, but that's quite as significant. Say,

(01:38:01):
maybe I should just get in touch. Should I just
do us as solid as a country? Should I just
be a concerned citizen and just right to the Department
of Conservation and be like, Hi, guys, how about if
you just get AI to do it. It'll cost you
forty bucks and they can do eachs of reports while
you just get pump them all out in one month.
This lot have apparently managed to get half a million
dollars from the Department of Conservation and the Ministry of

(01:38:25):
Environment since twenty twenty three. She's honestly the profligate waste
of money. By the way, have you seen the video
of Megan Markle doing that? Have you seen it?

Speaker 21 (01:38:35):
Though?

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
I'm raising this because people, it's drawing the trial as
it should. She's posted a video she's been like, yay,
happy birthday to my four year old, and gay, I
look happy. You know, children are a blessing and I'm
very happy that she has a four year old and
that the baby is healthy and everything is wonderful. But
then she decided to post like throwback to when you
were being born and it's a picture of her like

(01:38:57):
ginormous about to have the Baby in the Birthing Sweet
with Harry Dancing. It is a video of If you
want to understand why people don't like Megan Marcle, go
and watch that video. See how inauthentic and try hard
and lame that is and cringey, and then you'll be like, oh,
now I get it.

Speaker 10 (01:39:14):
You're welcome and Naked Flame by Dave Dowin Good.

Speaker 29 (01:39:18):
Yeah, yeah, we had to go out with the Dave
Dobbin song after you had such a good time at
the game of the Auckland town Hall last night. So yeah,
I'm happy to say this. You packed this one because
you're a big fan of it. I'd never heard of
the song before all, but yeah, off his nineteen ninety
four album was I.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
Don't even want to ask your opinion because I don't care, Heather,
because I don't want you to ruin it, And so
I do care.

Speaker 10 (01:39:36):
No, no, no, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
I love you, yep, don't.

Speaker 10 (01:39:38):
We're playing the song. Won't matter what my opinion is.
That's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:39:40):
Here the Dave Dobbin looks like Yoda. Now, I'm not
gonna lie. Last night, when I asked the gig, he
turned around and I said, oh my gosh, Dave Doublin
looks like my baby. He does from behind. What they
have is bald heads and sticking out.

Speaker 10 (01:39:53):
He is the peer of Your baby looks like Yoda.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
Okay, yes, my baby, Well obviously don't all babies look
like Yoda. My baby looks like Dave Dobbin And what
a blessing that is. See you tomorrow

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
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