Labour’s Willie Jackson says Te Pāti Māori needs to compromise and focus on the main issues facing New Zealanders, like health and housing, following three MPs’ sanctioning in Parliament this week.
He’s also responded to comments from Kiri Tamihere-Waititi, the partner of Te Pati Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi and the daughter of the party’s president, John Tamihere.
NZ Herald political editor Thomas Coughlan says it's clear Labour's not impressed with Te Pāti Māori's more 'theatrical' antics as of late.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, with us Hey.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Thomas, good afternoon, Thomas.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Is not actual war going on here between Labor and
the Marty Party.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Is there? I wouldn't describe it as an actual war.
I mean that the Willie Jackson is using that war
like language. He was referred to it in similar terms
on Q and A over the weekend. But I mean,
I suppose maybe it's a cold war, you might say. Certainly,
over the last six months, I think Labour's become a
bit exasperated with study antics from TA Party Marty. Obviously
(00:29):
there are kindred spirits. They believe in the same kind
of political you know, direction of travel. But you can
see it in the house to see a few st
of Labor MPs looking a wee bit, you know, unimpressed
when to Party Mardi gets a wee bit theatrical. You
can watch it even on the Herald. Now, last week
we had a panel with with Debor Russell, obviously Labour's
revenue spokesperson. She didn't look that impressed. She wasn't she
(00:53):
wasn't like rushing to defend some of the theatrics of TA
Party Marty. In that interview, so yeah, I think I
think I think you wouldn't described it. I wouldn't describe
it as war, but it certainly things are read a
low ear.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But I reckon, why why do you say that? Because
I'd love it to be I mean, you know, I
love excitement in politics. I just can't see it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This all just feels like Willie Jackson's exaggerations.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Isn't it the war? Well so so the language, the
wording that he used was I don't want to war.
I don't want to war with party Mary, and I
don't think we should be fighting or warring. The main
problem here is the government and then he you know,
teks the government. But but you know there is there
is that tension, I guess, and you are seeing it
now like Killy Tamahiri's video over the weekend having a
(01:40):
go at Willie Jackson and Adrian Rudrafe for their speeches
in the House.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And okay, so Thomas, I'll give you an alternative theory. Right,
they're just playing to their bases. Labor is just publicly
telling the Marori Party off because it knows that's what
voter its voters want to hear. And the Marori Party
is just telling them off for being too I don't know.
I suppose calm and and and playing by the rules
because they know that's what their voters want to hear.
I don't know that there's any indication that there's actually
(02:05):
a war going on.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No affirmative. Yes, I think parts of it are performative.
I do think, I do think for both sides. As
the you know, Chriss Septins is said, as the election
gets closer, he has promised to lay out how he's
going to work with the various potential coalition partners. Now,
obviously Winston Peters is ruled Chrissiptins out so so so
the next government, if it's a left wing government, will
(02:28):
need to be some form of Labor to Party Marray
and the Kings uh and And the big question for
Hipkins then is well, you know, do do you allow
to party marding MP's into cabinet. You know that that's
the discipline. Well, the discipline that I'm shown is probably
not cabinet materials.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Didn't I read in one of your columns that John
Tamerheady was in the Labor Party caucus room on the
night of the budget. Yes, yes, is hardly.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
A war well, and I think I think that is
that is part of if there is a war and
it is a is of war, is to say it's
a cold war. I think that's part of it. I
think he came into that caucus room and said, like, look,
I recognize that things are at a low ebb, but
we need to do what we we do, and you
need to do what you do, Which is the point
I guess that you're making, which is that they both
(03:13):
are doing their own thing and hoping it comes together
around election time. But they're up and there are some
unresolved tensions there between those two parties, and you looking
from the outside now, you'd have to say there's a
decent chance that those two parties are not going to
get the attentions resolved by the time the campaign rolls around,
because you can beat your bottom dollar that the ax
Party research unit is making a good note of all
(03:34):
of these videos that people like Kiddy Tummy Herey are
putting out on social media, and it's going to make
a big song and dance about them on the election campaign,
and Labor's going to need to have to say something.
You know, Labor's going to need to have a position
on them absolutely.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Now, what's the problem that the Greens have with the
NBR Rich List.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, it's the problem with the problem that Greens have
with the NBR Rich List is that they are too rich.
So the Greens, which it does, it does rather go
with the with the territory for both the rich List
and the Greens. So the Green Party put out a
statement today the rich List has topped one one hundred
billion dollars for the first time, so that is I
(04:08):
think it's one hundred and nineteen individuals worth one hundred
and two billion dollars this year. So the Greens are
saying that the rich List is now worth more than
one hundred billion dollars and contrasting at against some of
the wealthier cuts that the government has done. And the
Greens then say it's time to tax wealth and build
a country where all of us can thrive. So I
think both both the Rich List and the Greens playing
to type the Lord honestly.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Thomas, thanks very much, appreciate it as always, mate, We'll
talk to you tomorrow. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's Political editay.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
For more from Heather Duplessy, Alan Drive listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, with us Hey.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Thomas, good afternoon, Thomas.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Is not actual war going on here between Labor and
the Marty Party.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Is there? I wouldn't describe it as an actual war.
I mean that the Willie Jackson is using that war
like language. He was referred to it in similar terms
on Q and A over the weekend. But I mean,
I suppose maybe it's a cold war, you might say. Certainly,
over the last six months, I think Labour's become a
bit exasperated with study antics from TA Party Marty. Obviously
(00:29):
there are kindred spirits. They believe in the same kind
of political you know, direction of travel. But you can
see it in the house to see a few st
of Labor MPs looking a wee bit, you know, unimpressed
when to Party Mardi gets a wee bit theatrical. You
can watch it even on the Herald. Now, last week
we had a panel with with Debor Russell, obviously Labour's
revenue spokesperson. She didn't look that impressed. She wasn't she
(00:53):
wasn't like rushing to defend some of the theatrics of TA
Party Marty. In that interview, so yeah, I think I
think I think you wouldn't described it. I wouldn't describe
it as war, but it certainly things are read a
low ear.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
But I reckon, why why do you say that? Because
I'd love it to be I mean, you know, I
love excitement in politics. I just can't see it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
This all just feels like Willie Jackson's exaggerations.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Isn't it the war? Well so so the language, the
wording that he used was I don't want to war.
I don't want to war with party Mary, and I
don't think we should be fighting or warring. The main
problem here is the government and then he you know,
teks the government. But but you know there is there
is that tension, I guess, and you are seeing it
now like Killy Tamahiri's video over the weekend having a
(01:40):
go at Willie Jackson and Adrian Rudrafe for their speeches
in the House.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And okay, so Thomas, I'll give you an alternative theory. Right,
they're just playing to their bases. Labor is just publicly
telling the Marori Party off because it knows that's what
voter its voters want to hear. And the Marori Party
is just telling them off for being too I don't know.
I suppose calm and and and playing by the rules
because they know that's what their voters want to hear.
I don't know that there's any indication that there's actually
(02:05):
a war going on.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
No affirmative. Yes, I think parts of it are performative.
I do think, I do think for both sides. As
the you know, Chriss Septins is said, as the election
gets closer, he has promised to lay out how he's
going to work with the various potential coalition partners. Now,
obviously Winston Peters is ruled Chrissiptins out so so so
the next government, if it's a left wing government, will
(02:28):
need to be some form of Labor to Party Marray
and the Kings uh and And the big question for
Hipkins then is well, you know, do do you allow
to party marding MP's into cabinet. You know that that's
the discipline. Well, the discipline that I'm shown is probably
not cabinet materials.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Didn't I read in one of your columns that John
Tamerheady was in the Labor Party caucus room on the
night of the budget. Yes, yes, is hardly.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
A war well, and I think I think that is
that is part of if there is a war and
it is a is of war, is to say it's
a cold war. I think that's part of it. I
think he came into that caucus room and said, like, look,
I recognize that things are at a low ebb, but
we need to do what we we do, and you
need to do what you do, Which is the point
I guess that you're making, which is that they both
(03:13):
are doing their own thing and hoping it comes together
around election time. But they're up and there are some
unresolved tensions there between those two parties, and you looking
from the outside now, you'd have to say there's a
decent chance that those two parties are not going to
get the attentions resolved by the time the campaign rolls around,
because you can beat your bottom dollar that the ax
Party research unit is making a good note of all
(03:34):
of these videos that people like Kiddy Tummy Herey are
putting out on social media, and it's going to make
a big song and dance about them on the election campaign,
and Labor's going to need to have to say something.
You know, Labor's going to need to have a position
on them absolutely.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Now, what's the problem that the Greens have with the
NBR Rich List.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Well, it's the problem with the problem that Greens have
with the NBR Rich List is that they are too rich.
So the Greens, which it does, it does rather go
with the with the territory for both the rich List
and the Greens. So the Green Party put out a
statement today the rich List has topped one one hundred
billion dollars for the first time, so that is I
(04:08):
think it's one hundred and nineteen individuals worth one hundred
and two billion dollars this year. So the Greens are
saying that the rich List is now worth more than
one hundred billion dollars and contrasting at against some of
the wealthier cuts that the government has done. And the
Greens then say it's time to tax wealth and build
a country where all of us can thrive. So I
think both both the Rich List and the Greens playing
to type the Lord honestly.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Thomas, thanks very much, appreciate it as always, mate, We'll
talk to you tomorrow. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's Political editay.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
For more from Heather Duplessy, Alan Drive listen live to
news talks.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
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